Lmao, nightmare is brutal. I started another nightmare last night, struggling to get past the first boss this time, I feel like luck is not on my side, she uses her moves randomly, so at one point I had like 6 seama spawned, I went to hide behind them(kicking so they don't attack me) expecting her to blow water, instead she sends a tentacle, so I jump to dodge it and it like barely touched Miriam and I got obliterated 😂 just little shit like that
@@mizutrie967 I believe that was roguelike that was cancelled. That would've shifted the rooms around the same way the dawn randomizer can iirc. They cancelled it because they didn't have good planning skills in spite of how much fun the game is.
I recently did some testing, and apparently bolide blast is also electric in addition to fire. Not sure why, but it means if you can get emeralds but not rubies, you can still get a ring that improves it.
one plus to standstill keeping the enemies alive on screen is you can master techniques quickly since they gain exp per hit not from kills. stack a few enemies and activate standstill
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I believe you can also farm drops by repeatedly hitting those enemies too. But not shards.
When you're not worried about time, Detective Eye is quite useful for item farming since it collects item pouches and coins within the revealing circle when it's maxed out.
@@obscura8760 in a world with even average standards? And here comes another kiddo with the typical "gid gud" retort, even though this game is easy as heck
@@shishioh called me out for what? Not being part of your mindhive/echo-chamber? I love how kiddos like you don't want constructive criticism and debate, you just want everybody else to agree with you blindly and act like a fanboy, brushing off all the glaring issues in the game. Thanks for making the gaming industry worse.
That Standstill trick is how I no-damaged OD. Standstill, fire pillars, Invert, slide into a corner on ceiling, cover screen with Void Rays, wait. Literally the entire screen becomes stacking hurtboxes.
I'll be honest I did a randomized playthrough on Bloodstained and Gebel at one point left the boss room which meant I got softlocked, which wasn't bad but I just liked to imagine that he said "Nope" and just left me to rot in that room
Doubt JupiterClimb is going to read this, but Dullahammer takes crit damage if you hit it in the neck stump. It's usually a one hit kill with any mid-tier or above weapon.
Hellhound was the only way for me to beat the fight against IGA on nightmare, while also getting his medal. It deals so much damage on a pure INT based build
Nice run there! as a BS:ROTN Rando runner*on the switch version, LOL* myself,I do have a few things to ask/add 1: Shop Rando causes softlocks? In all the runs I did, Having Shop Rando on never really caused me any softlocks... only thing I can Guess is that Maybe if the Aegis plate is on One of the other two quest givers if you have Quest rando on and it's needed but... I feel that's a softlock regardless. now leaving shop rando off because it makes the game harder OTH.... 2:While having a shard Tier list is a very good idea and resource, Gebal Glasses really shouldn't be too much of a factor beyond things like Standstill+Hellhound simply because endgame Miriam has a Busted MP regen stat+Warlock Necklace*I THINK that's the name of this game's Sage ring*+Double Words of Wisdom*Due to yellow Shards becoming skill shards at Max Rank and still being able to equip said Yellow Shards*. I Think the real factor should be "Normal Gameplay Vs Rando" here. 3:this is more for if you do a KIS Rando but... You can beat that time*if the game doesn't drop High Jump or D.Shift on you by the time you get there* by geting to Dian Cécht Cathedral,Take the upper left enterance in the first room of that area and then head to where you would normally go to grab your first/second shortcut command and there's two shard holders in there in KIS*and rarely in KIA too* . Smash the red one and Boom, you have invert for free. 4: as for the weapon vs shards debate... yeah,I kinda agree, you really need something busted like Knock off Crissagrim or Recycle hat+ a Good gun+ Diamond/Elemental bullets*with Elemental Rings* to rreally bother going for a strength build. 5:Optimizer vs Agument LCK- This is basically the reason for Shortcut being useful as Optimizer can turn almost any weapon into a Auto cancel one*More so Maxed out* But along with INT and MP Regen,LCK is pretty Damn Vital...
My guess for Shop-rando is actually Waystones, removing them can make certain rooms far more hazardous to enter in terms of mobility escape Also whats with all the asterisks? Endgame casual Miriam is nutty, yes, but there's a wide margin between "did a bunch of food" and your usual rando run, where Gebel Glasses really do make the difference instead Thats also why Yellows becoming Greys isn't worth overconsidering, the time and resource investment is rather significant compared to just trawling through shit playing, As for the guaranteed Invert, that seems rather suspect and unlikely to be as reliable as you think STR Damage has some issues for sure Optimizer is good but the problem is that you uhh, refer to previous point about Strength, it really doesn't matter how fast your weapon is most of the time so its not worth overconsideration
@@syrelian Ah, that makes sense with regards to shop rando. Though, I never really consider it a issue unless the game throws me Deep Sinker as my first point of progression. Also, you pretty much hit the nail on the on why I suggested the tier list be split that way as a normal rando run is a lot different from a normal game run. as for Yellows becoming Greys, that one sorta falls under "depends on the shard and the player" as some become Super busted if you can double dip them but,IMO, Words of Wisdom would be one of the few to consider. As for the Guaranteed Invert... TBH, the only reason I mentioned it is that another commenter was wondering why Jupiter Didn't get Reflect Ray from Craftwork,Before Jupiter mentioned he was doing Key Items anywere, and that info+the commenter mentioning he got D.Shift from Bloodless pretty much tracked with every singling Key Items Shuffled seed I did. That said though, That could just be switch only so IDK. reason I brought up Optimizer is mainly because There are times when Rando will throw you a bunch of bad red and purple shards and be like "deal with it" so, having atleast a fast decent weapon/zangetsuto will make things a bit easier for bosses atleast.
You probably know this by the time you uploaded this run, but not only ele rings are op because you can get them early but because they boost also ele dmg from weapons. Probably easiest strat in nightmare is to get 8bit coin asap, get deathrbinger axe(the one with fire dmg, maxed out it's one of the strongest weapons in the game), farm direct shard from cannons to melt bosses and then get 2x ruby rings, later on you try to get money for upgrading axe and most of the time you will have a breeze in nightmare.
Fald taiab is a freaking top tier, dont hold it, mash in a rhythm, the first frame deals dmg, you can do a lot of dmg and its easy on mp, try it out its amazing
Valkyrie Sword seems to show up too often which is good and bad. Good because Valkyrie Sword but bad since the moment you get you have very little reason to use almost any other weapon.
Agreed,the only things that realistic top it are Blue Rose *Slightly stronger+Ice Elemental*,Eternal Blue*Strongest Greatsword+Ice Elemental which means Hello Ice rings!*,The Crissagrim Knock off and Gun+recycle hat+ Diamond*Strongest Bullets*/Elemental Bullets*Hello Elemental rings again!*
my PB is an hour 40 but morty had excelerator at 100% drop for some reason i had a few runs where morties would have a shard at 100% drop rate i also got eternal blue early on the only reason i didnt have a shorter run was due to me playing around some and not really trying to speed run. 8-bit flame is from the boss of the 8-bit area so that is why its summons him
_meanwhile my stupid self found tis raff in the first ten minutes alongside an aegis plate and zangestsuo_ ...I really really need to write down that seed number so you can see that ridiculous shit
Is there a good resource for Randomizer tech/strategies? The RotN reddit is very sparse on any real details, and I'm very curious about what sorts of softlocks have occurred, ways to get into areas without certain key items, etc. I mostly ask because the last seed I played Dimension Shift was in the Oriental Sorcery Lab, and I looked absolutely everywhere for the Aegis Plate. In the end the only thing I could think of was it got stuck as a reward at the end of a questline (I didn't shuffle quest items, I'm not a maniac), and I wound up having to use Invert+Healing and abusing I-frames to get through the spikes into the Lab. So I'd like to know what other possibilities I'd have to consider if I do more runs, such as learning from you just now that Invert grants Waterway access.
My Discord has multiple active Bloodstained threads. I'm still learning this game myself, but there are several very experienced players there who give great tips. Link: discord.com/invite/KEzKUhphzn I'd guess it was either a missed secret check or a broken seed, which can happen (and is more likely with certain settings). Thankfully there are ways to get to the Lab without Aegis Plate, but they're tricky! Apparently you can use Summon Chair to make the damage boosting easier.
UA-cam only gets successful viideos, so it's always funny how a lot of them start with "hopefully no softlock this time". I kinda want a softlock compilation.
29:50 I got some mileage out of using blood grinder on a non-random nightmare run. Granted, I wasn't speed running it, but being able to crap out 9 great sword expertise basically immediately as soon as you get sword expertise I would imagine makes any greatsword a decent option in a randomizer. Idk though.
Just finished a run today with the hellhound, 500 damage to 600 with no shard improvements, I still had a lot of luck with the randomizer because I got the upgrades easily, too bad the double jump was in the last Boss
Waaaaait how come Craftwork dropped a Conjure Shard for you?? In every, and I mean _every_ randomised run I make in this game, Craftwork ALWAYS drops the Reflector Ray Direction Shard, which means I'm always directed to fight Bloodless (who ALWAYS drops Dimension shift) and it makes my runs operate the same way...
So the Ritual randomizer settings have a bunch of hidden effects the game never tells you about, that myself and others have actually been looking into. Here are the main ones: * If you select "Retain Type" for items, this also affects Shards: blues switch with blues, purples switch with purples, etc. * If you select "Key Items Shuffled," progression Shards are always shuffled amongst themselves. * If you select "Key Items Anywhere," progression Shards are mixed in with everything else. In this seed, it's KIA + Chaos, so Craftwork isn't more likely to drop Reflector Ray.
My Rando PB (Defeat Gebel) is under 13mins. Anyone think they can beat it? 🤪 Ill share the seed if anyone wants to use the same one 😁 (theres still time on the table for sure!)
![Beating Order of Ecclesia In Like 30 Minutes [World Record]](/img/n.gif)
After playing on nightmare it feels weird to watch somebody bump into a bat and not evaporate instantly.
Just like Ecclesia Level 1 Hard Mode
Lmao, nightmare is brutal. I started another nightmare last night, struggling to get past the first boss this time, I feel like luck is not on my side, she uses her moves randomly, so at one point I had like 6 seama spawned, I went to hide behind them(kicking so they don't attack me) expecting her to blow water, instead she sends a tentacle, so I jump to dodge it and it like barely touched Miriam and I got obliterated 😂 just little shit like that
Randomizer mode is a really good addition to this game for replayability purposes. I'm curious how the sequel will turn out.
Perhaps randomised rooms!
@LowHP it's funny because randomizer in ROTN was cancelled due to the way the castle was made (I guess?). So instead, we have randomizer mode.
@@mizutrie967 I believe that was roguelike that was cancelled. That would've shifted the rooms around the same way the dawn randomizer can iirc. They cancelled it because they didn't have good planning skills in spite of how much fun the game is.
Harmony of dissonance did the room randomizer for the entire castle ugh, that was the only castlevania game that took me forever to complete 100%.
I'd rather have coop, nothing beats it when it comes to replayability boosting
I recently did some testing, and apparently bolide blast is also electric in addition to fire. Not sure why, but it means if you can get emeralds but not rubies, you can still get a ring that improves it.
one plus to standstill keeping the enemies alive on screen is you can master techniques quickly since they gain exp per hit not from kills. stack a few enemies and activate standstill
I believe you can also farm drops by repeatedly hitting those enemies too. But not shards.
Oh man, now I want to play Bloodstained again, I loved finding tricks and exploits in that game
When you're not worried about time, Detective Eye is quite useful for item farming since it collects item pouches and coins within the revealing circle when it's maxed out.
After watching a certain SOTN runner cry, bitch, moan, and complain about playing this game, this is pretty chill and relaxing to watch.
But this game is kinda mediocre, so dont get mad at people for speaking out the truth
@@wallacesousuke1433 in what world is this game mediocre, sounds like you couldnt beat it (skill issue)
@@obscura8760 in a world with even average standards? And here comes another kiddo with the typical "gid gud" retort, even though this game is easy as heck
@@wallacesousuke1433 Don't get mad at people for calling you out.
@@shishioh called me out for what? Not being part of your mindhive/echo-chamber?
I love how kiddos like you don't want constructive criticism and debate, you just want everybody else to agree with you blindly and act like a fanboy, brushing off all the glaring issues in the game.
Thanks for making the gaming industry worse.
That Standstill trick is how I no-damaged OD. Standstill, fire pillars, Invert, slide into a corner on ceiling, cover screen with Void Rays, wait. Literally the entire screen becomes stacking hurtboxes.
I'll be honest I did a randomized playthrough on Bloodstained and Gebel at one point left the boss room which meant I got softlocked, which wasn't bad but I just liked to imagine that he said "Nope" and just left me to rot in that room
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blood grinder knight death sound is such a meme, I love it
@@Gensolink I still really like the sound. Sounds like he's fighting for his life as he's disappearing
Doubt JupiterClimb is going to read this, but Dullahammer takes crit damage if you hit it in the neck stump. It's usually a one hit kill with any mid-tier or above weapon.
Read the title, had good memories of my Randomizer runs early on. Thought, "Hell yeah Hellhound is busted, I hope he used it a ton."
My favorite game of the last 15 years. Considering SotN is Top 3 of all time for me, this game was a gift from above when it dropped.
The community made randomizer has a lot more functionality than the ingame one, and it has logic to prevent softlocks.
Skull is Creaking... | Ritual of the Night Randomizer
Hellhound was the only way for me to beat the fight against IGA on nightmare, while also getting his medal. It deals so much damage on a pure INT based build
Zangetsu!?!? OMG MAN 😂 hilarious, favorite part in the run😊
Maxed out Hellhound + Gebel's Glasses = MEGA OP
Nice run there! as a BS:ROTN Rando runner*on the switch version, LOL* myself,I do have a few things to ask/add
1: Shop Rando causes softlocks? In all the runs I did, Having Shop Rando on never really caused me any softlocks... only thing I can Guess is that Maybe if the Aegis plate is on One of the other two quest givers if you have Quest rando on and it's needed but... I feel that's a softlock regardless.
now leaving shop rando off because it makes the game harder OTH....
2:While having a shard Tier list is a very good idea and resource, Gebal Glasses really shouldn't be too much of a factor beyond things like Standstill+Hellhound simply because endgame Miriam has a Busted MP regen stat+Warlock Necklace*I THINK that's the name of this game's Sage ring*+Double Words of Wisdom*Due to yellow Shards becoming skill shards at Max Rank and still being able to equip said Yellow Shards*. I Think the real factor should be "Normal Gameplay Vs Rando" here.
3:this is more for if you do a KIS Rando but... You can beat that time*if the game doesn't drop High Jump or D.Shift on you by the time you get there* by geting to Dian Cécht Cathedral,Take the upper left enterance in the first room of that area and then head to where you would normally go to grab your first/second shortcut command and there's two shard holders in there in KIS*and rarely in KIA too* . Smash the red one and Boom, you have invert for free.
4: as for the weapon vs shards debate... yeah,I kinda agree, you really need something busted like Knock off Crissagrim or Recycle hat+ a Good gun+ Diamond/Elemental bullets*with Elemental Rings* to rreally bother going for a strength build.
5:Optimizer vs Agument LCK- This is basically the reason for Shortcut being useful as Optimizer can turn almost any weapon into a Auto cancel one*More so Maxed out* But along with INT and MP Regen,LCK is pretty Damn Vital...
My guess for Shop-rando is actually Waystones, removing them can make certain rooms far more hazardous to enter in terms of mobility escape
Also whats with all the asterisks?
Endgame casual Miriam is nutty, yes, but there's a wide margin between "did a bunch of food" and your usual rando run, where Gebel Glasses really do make the difference instead
Thats also why Yellows becoming Greys isn't worth overconsidering, the time and resource investment is rather significant compared to just trawling through shit playing,
As for the guaranteed Invert, that seems rather suspect and unlikely to be as reliable as you think
STR Damage has some issues for sure
Optimizer is good but the problem is that you uhh, refer to previous point about Strength, it really doesn't matter how fast your weapon is most of the time so its not worth overconsideration
@@syrelian Ah, that makes sense with regards to shop rando. Though, I never really consider it a issue unless the game throws me Deep Sinker as my first point of progression.
Also, you pretty much hit the nail on the on why I suggested the tier list be split that way as a normal rando run is a lot different from a normal game run.
as for Yellows becoming Greys, that one sorta falls under "depends on the shard and the player" as some become Super busted if you can double dip them but,IMO, Words of Wisdom would be one of the few to consider.
As for the Guaranteed Invert... TBH, the only reason I mentioned it is that another commenter was wondering why Jupiter Didn't get Reflect Ray from Craftwork,Before Jupiter mentioned he was doing Key Items anywere, and that info+the commenter mentioning he got D.Shift from Bloodless pretty much tracked with every singling Key Items Shuffled seed I did.
That said though, That could just be switch only so IDK.
reason I brought up Optimizer is mainly because There are times when Rando will throw you a bunch of bad red and purple shards and be like "deal with it" so, having atleast a fast decent weapon/zangetsuto will make things a bit easier for bosses atleast.
You probably know this by the time you uploaded this run, but not only ele rings are op because you can get them early but because they boost also ele dmg from weapons. Probably easiest strat in nightmare is to get 8bit coin asap, get deathrbinger axe(the one with fire dmg, maxed out it's one of the strongest weapons in the game), farm direct shard from cannons to melt bosses and then get 2x ruby rings, later on you try to get money for upgrading axe and most of the time you will have a breeze in nightmare.
Fald taiab is a freaking top tier, dont hold it, mash in a rhythm, the first frame deals dmg, you can do a lot of dmg and its easy on mp, try it out its amazing
Valkyrie Sword seems to show up too often which is good and bad. Good because Valkyrie Sword but bad since the moment you get you have very little reason to use almost any other weapon.
Agreed,the only things that realistic top it are Blue Rose *Slightly stronger+Ice Elemental*,Eternal Blue*Strongest Greatsword+Ice Elemental which means Hello Ice rings!*,The Crissagrim Knock off and Gun+recycle hat+ Diamond*Strongest Bullets*/Elemental Bullets*Hello Elemental rings again!*
You can make the randomizer a 30 minute ordeal by setting it to Gebel goal.
This is just reminding me of my last run where d shift was behind millionaire key
"Hellhound is broken."
Did you also know water is wet? :D
Dimension Fish!
my PB is an hour 40 but morty had excelerator at 100% drop for some reason i had a few runs where morties would have a shard at 100% drop rate i also got eternal blue early on the only reason i didnt have a shorter run was due to me playing around some and not really trying to speed run. 8-bit flame is from the boss of the 8-bit area so that is why its summons him
_meanwhile my stupid self found tis raff in the first ten minutes alongside an aegis plate and zangestsuo_
...I really really need to write down that seed number so you can see that ridiculous shit
Is there a good resource for Randomizer tech/strategies? The RotN reddit is very sparse on any real details, and I'm very curious about what sorts of softlocks have occurred, ways to get into areas without certain key items, etc.
I mostly ask because the last seed I played Dimension Shift was in the Oriental Sorcery Lab, and I looked absolutely everywhere for the Aegis Plate. In the end the only thing I could think of was it got stuck as a reward at the end of a questline (I didn't shuffle quest items, I'm not a maniac), and I wound up having to use Invert+Healing and abusing I-frames to get through the spikes into the Lab. So I'd like to know what other possibilities I'd have to consider if I do more runs, such as learning from you just now that Invert grants Waterway access.
My Discord has multiple active Bloodstained threads. I'm still learning this game myself, but there are several very experienced players there who give great tips. Link: discord.com/invite/KEzKUhphzn
I'd guess it was either a missed secret check or a broken seed, which can happen (and is more likely with certain settings). Thankfully there are ways to get to the Lab without Aegis Plate, but they're tricky! Apparently you can use Summon Chair to make the damage boosting easier.
I'm interested in seeing a nightmare difficulty randomizer.
UA-cam only gets successful viideos, so it's always funny how a lot of them start with "hopefully no softlock this time". I kinda want a softlock compilation.
29:50 I got some mileage out of using blood grinder on a non-random nightmare run. Granted, I wasn't speed running it, but being able to crap out 9 great sword expertise basically immediately as soon as you get sword expertise I would imagine makes any greatsword a decent option in a randomizer. Idk though.
How much better is Blood Grinder compared to the elemental greatswords?
Just finished a run today with the hellhound, 500 damage to 600 with no shard improvements, I still had a lot of luck with the randomizer because I got the upgrades easily, too bad the double jump was in the last Boss
Hellhound is one of the shards that gets lower on the tier list if you play the Switch version
Why was the final boss week to time stop when all other bosses were able to move about to some extent? I think Dominic got the short end of the stick
Waaaaait how come Craftwork dropped a Conjure Shard for you?? In every, and I mean _every_ randomised run I make in this game, Craftwork ALWAYS drops the Reflector Ray Direction Shard, which means I'm always directed to fight Bloodless (who ALWAYS drops Dimension shift) and it makes my runs operate the same way...
So the Ritual randomizer settings have a bunch of hidden effects the game never tells you about, that myself and others have actually been looking into. Here are the main ones:
* If you select "Retain Type" for items, this also affects Shards: blues switch with blues, purples switch with purples, etc.
* If you select "Key Items Shuffled," progression Shards are always shuffled amongst themselves.
* If you select "Key Items Anywhere," progression Shards are mixed in with everything else.
In this seed, it's KIA + Chaos, so Craftwork isn't more likely to drop Reflector Ray.
How do you do the consecutive back jumps?
I want to improve my time and this might help.
Backdash + Down on same frame
@@JupiterClimb Thanks
Didn't you say at the start of this something along the lines of, "I hope its not Forneus progression again?", LOL
What seed is this?
How are you not using MP for any shards?
Gebel Glasses are infinite MP
My Rando PB (Defeat Gebel) is under 13mins. Anyone think they can beat it? 🤪 Ill share the seed if anyone wants to use the same one 😁 (theres still time on the table for sure!)
>2 minutes on every monster of no drops is more time sink than 5 seconds to open a menu and check their drop.
okay sure whatever bro.
i really wish i didn't buy this game on switch it runs like sh1t