Nice review. I Bought in january a Yamaha Tracer 9 GT....but i changed it after 600 miles for this Africa Twin Adventure Sports. This is my bike and really love it!!! What a beast!!
Great review Dan. I have the 2020 ATAS manual and have done a couple of trips from my home in Coffin Bay (South Oz) to Adelaide, over 600km in a day and had no issue with the seat comfort. Usually a couple of comfort stops along the way to stretch the legs. The multitude of buttons on the left switchgear all makes sense once Apple Car Play is engaged by pairing a headset and is quite easy to use with practise. I spend a lot of time on dirt and the odd single track and it is indeed a heavy bike at slow speed but very capable (depending on tyre choice). It is by no means perfect but given it’s competitive price in the big adventure bike sector and Honda reliability (25,000km on mine without issue), when the time comes I won’t hesitate to jump on another one 🇦🇺
I hear ya Jerry! I have same unit DCTes. I absolutely love it! 17000 km and almost worry free! Great bike in every terrain other than tight single track. Myself and and a bud did Guglatech Mazinga upgrades on fuel tanks to resolve weld, fuel pump issue. Better tires are a must for offroad. I have a Z06 and Boss, but I love to ride the AT :-) Happy trails Jerry, wishing you a great riding 2022 :-)
My buds and I have decided if ours were ever stolen, the day after we'd be buying another. We have a ton of gas burning toys, and this is one we can't live without. Cheers from Canucksville 🇨🇦
I have owned two DCT bikes, DCT is great. But i agree upon the buttons / software on the AT1100 / NT1100, it has to be better for me too consider one of these bikes.
Great review Dan. I've got the 2020 ATAS with DCT. I'm 60, with a bit of arthritis in knee and hip, and I was also bikeless for 40 years (but ridden a few times in between) until 2018. Honda man to my core since I was weaned, or at least - on rusks 😉 . I bought the DCT, and as you say, low speed manoeuvres are not comfortable when it shifts up (or down) as a surprise!!. However, I did a 400 mile round trip two weeks ago, and could easily have done another 200, so 600 miles in a day, with old fartypant flexibility issues are not a problem at all. For me - in conclusion it is the perfect, PERFECT mile muncher, fun ride, especially comfort-wise, but needs to be manual box with quick shifter. Ride safe brother 👍
The reason why I did not buy it in the end, the seat - it felt pretty uncomfortable … after market seat is an option but my opinion is, if you feel not good right at the beginning, it’s just not it …
The hard seat is for the first hundred km. After that it gets comfier. Also if you plan long trips, is better a hard seat that a soft seat that at first feels comfortable, but after a couple of hours you are sitting in the plastics…
I find myself standing up on the pegs to ease the bum pain on mine. And yes 300 miles is easily achievable. Just a shame they seem to suffer with rust after only 3000 miles, such poor paintwork on the frame 😕
Heads up fella. When in auto mode, you can still cycle manual shift controls at will. The bike will eventually take back "Auto control", but if you deem a quick shift you can always shift if wanted. We offroad plenty in BC Rockies, and believe the single best thing you can do to make this bike incredibly competent, is change tires. We run Mitas E07's and it sticks well to all surfaces we ride. ES and DCT are the bomb, especially for multi-week adventure. 21000km and still living it! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
@@Englishbikerdan I must have missed it. Sorry Dan. It's -25'C outside, and your video cheered me up :-) Only four more months to go, AT riding :-)
Useful & Entertaining ☑ Nice vid. I have a 2017 VFR1200X DCT and find the fuelling can be a little off at low speeds. I have adapted my throttle control to have a very light touch and that definitely helps although it is not for everyone, do not let it put you off DCT as it a fantastic system that brings lots more riding pleasure against any negatives.
Definitely agree with you about the Africa Twin being the best looking Adventure Bike, probably because it hasn’t got the stupid looking pointless Beak like some of the others.
I’ve having this dropped off tomorrow to use as a curtesy bike as my tiger 955i is going in for an inspection due to being rear ended by a car driver in wales
For those who are watching this and not from the UK, when he says “something you might see in a hospital” he means the the way the information is laid out is similar to that of the machines we get in UK hospitals to monitor heat beat, blood pressure and other vitals etc…I’m sure it’s the same in most countries, but never sure…..of course those in the UK who go into private hospitals alo have monitors that show what gear they’re in and their speed which can be changed between mph and kph …both of which relate to how quickly one gets seen and recovery time 😉😂
Want DCT to "hold" the gear during a "U" turn? Give it a touch of throttle and use the rear brake to modulate speed. I'm not AT-AS DCT owner, just know this little trick. My Honda dealer (Texas) has an identical 2022 AT-AS (new) coming in two weeks, but with 6spd. Will likely purchase and have them add the speedshift. The MT w/speedshift is instant and silky smooth on these. Lots of open land to explore here it Texas. 😄
@@ok_selection3287 It's your leg inseam that matters more than your height. There's also a low seat for this model which is 825mm in the low position. If you have a 30 inch inseam or longer then you should be fine. Any shorter and you'd need to have the right skills to manage the height. Not really an issue on the open road, but can be a bit of a pain in stop start traffic and awkward places.
Low speed maneuvers on DCT bikes requires you to drag the rear brake. Apply throttle while modulating the rear brake works something like slipping the clutch on a standard transmission. The benefit of DCT on a trail bike is that the DCT will not allow the bike to stall.
You don’t have to go into settings to change the suspension Dan btw but you do have to know where to go to do it as an Africa Twin owner takes a few weeks for muscle memory to kick in.
I have a 2020 version otherwise your test bike. The jerky take off at slow speeds is tough to balance on the rear brake and one reason why a rear hand brake as found on the X-ADV or Forza 750 should be fitted. I’ve tinkered with the hand brake to bring it closer and it certainly helps. There are more elaborate mods out there but Honda should have bitten the bullet on this and ignored the likely scooter comparison prejudices. I like it and the DCT especially was a selling point for me.
Yeah, I tried over the 2 weeks to nail it. Annoyingly, when the bike was collected the driver said that putting it in manual mode for really low speed maneuvers helps a lot with the clutch biting point. So I'll have to test another one and do an update. Cheers!
Great video and good info. I’d be sooo great if you could do a video of the DCT slow Turn maneuver where the bike jerks up speed. It’s all over the internet but no videos on it. Thank you
The snatchy throttle issue can easily be smoothed out by dragging the rear brake and balancing it against the throttle. Also smother use of the twist grip is another. Try squeezing the grip rather than twisting it. This give a much more finite control and works on any bike.
I tried dragging the brake, it helped a bit but it didn't really sort out the very odd moving clutch biting point issue. Not quite sure what squeezing the grip would do as it's not pressure actuated, it's movement actuated. I like to think I have a very delicate control of the throttle grip, I even use a two fingers to test out how sensitive a throttle is during my testing. Ultimately, I highlight issues that I find on the bikes I review. If others don't experience them or disagree, that's cool. I can only say what I experience.
My 2014 VFR1200XD has the same snatchy throttle. You would think Honda had figured this out by now, all those years later. As a workaround I also use the rear brake in combination with a Kaoko Throttle Stabilizer. It seems the ride by wire system is over sensitive to "sudden" throttle inputs. Maybe I will go for the "ECU adjust route" this season to counter the snatchy behaviour.
@@redboll I agree that it is a 'Honda' thing. I had a 2019 CB500X, and it was also VERY snatchy. I don't buy the idea that I should have to change my riding style, such as dragging the rear brake, just to use the throttle!
@@Englishbikerdan Squeezing the grip is a technique I was taught by a police motorcycle instructor. You naturally turn the throttle in smaller increments by squeezing it. But I do admit it is more effective on a cable throttle rather than electronic ones. To see what i mean hold your hand flat and watch your wrist as you close your hand into a fist.
I guess the reviewer understands it is a touch screen and you do not have to use the buttons to scroll to the function settings and you can actively set things during a ride (e.g., HTSC) using the touch screen.
Honda seems to have a problem with making the switch Gear too far away. I have a cb650r. And I have the same problem with the indicator stalk, having to take my hand a bit off the group in order to be able to indicate left. And I wouldn't consider myself to have small thumbs. Japanese thnmbs must be as long as fingers!
Ridden this bike and can't agree with a lot of what you criticize about the bike. The switchgear is not too busy, it actually works very intuitively if you take a minute to learn what does what. The message that pops up on the screen after you start the bike can easily be removed by pushing "ent" on the switchgear. You have a second screen so you don't really need to wait for the screen to turn on just start your ride and when your on your way and the big screen is done loading you don't really need to do anything either because anyone that owns this bike and has half a brain will configure the bike just the way he or she likes it and any adjustment you really need when you're on your way can be done with the switchgear. This bike has plenty of power, especially when you get the DCT. No problem at all passing on the highway, pull open the throttle and you're gone. The power numbers of the competitors don't make much sense to me since I feel more than 100 HP on a vehicle of the weight of a bike is just ludicrous. On the topic of comfort, always get your bike fitted to your ergonomics. Get it set up for your body and weight. Everyone is different and for some most bikes will be fine for others they won't be. Getting the bike set up is going to allow you many comfortable and enjoyable rides. Anyway, thanks for the review Dan.
Hey it's fine to disagree with my view of the bike, but my opinion is based on my experience with the bike and so stands, for me. Thanks for watching and commenting! Dan
Honda don't really make a bad bike, but against the current competition and the over priced Africa Twin, it's never going to be up there in sales. However if your looking for a nearly new second hand one, they start to make sense and a great buy, but you do have to ask why there are so many low mileage, under a year old models for sale.
If you love this engine and are going to spend most of the time on road then better go for NT1100. That's basically the same bike, only more road focused.
My opinion is that all bikes that have a sit up and beg riding position will struggle to be comfortable for long distances because most of your body weight is on your behind. I find the sport touring bikes do a better job of sharing your weight between contact points and I can easily cover a tank of fuel on my Sprint ST without discomfort.
@@Englishbikerdan I really like this bike. I'm 66 years old, 5' 5" weigh 74kg, 29in inseam and I can ride it OK. I can't decide to go for the AT or the new Tiger 1200 (which I can also ride easily) for a new bike. I agree with you, the AT is the best looking adventure bike on the market. Like you, I don't like the DCT.
Owned the 22 for a month and sold it. The electronics do nothing to enhance the riding experience, and the tft and all the buttons are downright distracting. Honda should put out the CRF1100L-NE. No Electronics version. Lol.
It seems like it's very hard to find the Manuel version... that socks man, it's like they are pushing these duel clutches down our throat!! Not me I'll be riding my Manuel.. I've tried the dual clutch, can't like it... it's never in the gear you need.
Spend an hour on one in sport mode . The bike is never in the wrong gear, if you need a gear you can change it up or down just like a manual . You will never stall it a light. The only place the dct struggles is very slow technical riding . And you can’t clutch it up.
Bought a Honda Africa Twin 2021 for my first bike it’s been so big and top heavy. I’ve gotten used to riding it but it’s still so top heavy and hard to move around I’m considering buying another bike. Does anyone else have this issue?
@@Englishbikerdan yea I feel I made a bit of a mistaken have def. been considering trying to trade it in for a 500X. Maybe once I pay it down some more I can. Appreciate the reply.
Whilst I have my heart set on an Africa Twin its telling that the greater part of this review (and other yootoobers on the same bike) is about modes/displays/tech. Sadly this is not what I want - way too complicated. For me at this time I think I will settle on an earlier gen manual with quickshifter and a whole lot less of the unnecessary screen/tech faffery that comes with this version.
Don’t listen to UA-camrs. I have a 21 model 1100 and I had a 18 model 1000. The 1100 is a better bike and you can ignore the tech, just ride it, and then learn it slowly as you go over time. It’s not complicated if you own it because you will have time to work this out.
@@Englishbikerdan Not all. 😁 But owning and riding a motorcycle gives you the opportunity to adapt to the idiosyncrasies making them less of an issue. It’s not that UA-camrs are doing anything wrong by pointing this stuff out, but it does sometimes create a negative byproduct.
@@eMotion_Video_UK I just tell viewers what I experience when I have the bike. Maybe there's an easy fix, maybe not. If I owned one I'd probably get used to it, but then I only get the bikes for so long. I'd much rather bring up any issues I come across than pretend they don't exist and it's all great. The other thing is, my reviews are just opinion pieces. People should always ride a bike themselves before parting with their money. I think on the whole my reviews are generally well balanced, you can tell I'm having fun on a bike but I do try to find any little issues. Cheers for watching. :)
Thanks Dan, I enjoy your reviews! Question please: How does the AT compare with the NT1100 from a size/ weight perspective? Is the NT more manageable and less top heavy than the AT, or the same? Thanks!
Beautiful machine, however, it's too expensive in my eyes. With some options you are looking at a 21/22k euro motorcycle, which frankly is way too much. Also, being Honda, a lot of the stuff is an option. Some of these should be standard on a bike costing this much...no center stand, no topbox or sidecases included? Comon Honda, for these prices, throw it in there !!! These things barely see offroad use in real life, at least where I live. (Belgium) recently sold my cb500x and was looking for a secondhand Guzzi V85TT, picked up a 2019 in excellent condition with 15k on the clock for around 8.500, with nearly all the options added by the PO.
I’m in the exact same position (have a cb500x and looking to upgrade to a V85tt). What’s your experience been like on the Guzzi? Is it a worthy upgrade over the 500x?
You could always look at 2nd hand AT's, or just have the lower spec AT without the DCT and EERA suspension. End of the day, it's about what suits your needs and budget and sounds like you got there. Enjoy that V85TT, it's a nice machine.
@@TheDJCJ2000 Hi Daniel. Well, it depends on what you are looking for. Why I changed my cb500x? Well, couple of reasons, maybe that will help you in your quest for choosing the right bike. 1: looks. The cb500x is a "meh" looking motorcycle. I didn;t really know what I wanted for my first bike, so I got an allrounder. The cb500x looked OK for me in the beginning. However, after 6 months or so, after I came back from a tour, I didn't even look at it anymore. I saw it as a tool, nothing more, nothing less. And a motorcycle for me should be something you think is beautiful when you look at it. The Guzzi on the other hand, I got it in deep red/black. Every time i come back, I stare at it the garage, wanting to ride some more. People ask me at stops what it is and how it rides, which would never have happened with the Honda. 2: vibe/feel/character, however you may call it. For me the cb500x was like a whitegood. A good running sewing machine, however, devoid of any emotion. It does what it needs you to do, nothing more, nothing less. It does pull well in 3rd gear to give you some smiles. It is accurate in shifting, and steering, a good allrounder. But that's about it. The Guzzi is totally different. It shakes when you start it up, you need to give it some time for the oil to warm up to shift nicely in 2nd gear. The gear shift itself needs getting used too. It is lacking a bit in feel compared to the cb but it's very smooth. (you just need to apply light pressure before the shift point). You feel the heat when stopping, but that's expected on an aircooled v-twin. On the road you don't notice it. once riding, vibrations are minimal. It's an experience in itself every time you start it up and ride away. Now I know what people mean with character. 3: engine power/brakes/fuel consumption. It has decent power, 3rd especially puts a grin on your face. It's not a rocket ship, but deffo faster than the cb500x. I didn't want a crotch rocket, but did want something with a bit more punch. Do a test ride if you can and get it to 3rd gear. It has ample power for me, and a lot of low down torque, which makes you cruise and enjoy the scenery. The sound of the intake puts a grin on your face when you rev it up. Brakes are very good. It's not really the initial bite, but when squeezing harder it does stop very well. I had the 2020 cb500x and that was sorely lacking. Can't say anything about the 2022 model though. Fuel consumption is higher (to be expected) but not that much. I averaged 4.3l/100km when picking it uo from Germany and riding back to Belgium (460km). Highway cruising is higher (6/7l), however, that was about the same on my cb500x. 4: handling and weight. You might be suprised, but I feel the Guzzi handles better than the cb500x. It's nimbler on it's turn-in. Suspension is a lot like the cb, but less dive when braking hard. Again, the 2022 cb500x model is better now from Honda. The weight feels less, although being 30 kg heavier. I can move it my garage better than the cb, and low speed manoeuvres are easier. (throttle is just easier to control on the guzzi, the honda was too snatchy on low speed stuff). 5: wind protection and general comfort. Wind protection for my legs was better on the cb500x (and i have long legs), due to the sloped fairing. On the Guzzi, i can feel the cold wind hitting my upper legs. I don't mind, just prepare for it when it get's chilly outside. Upside is riding in summer though. Upper body protection is better, even with the standard small screen. The big screen protects your shoulders even, the cb was lacking there. I am 6.2, so every motorcycle for me needs an extension deflector to clear my helmet. However, the cb500x with the standard screen was horrible. I had to add a deflector to be able to cope. The standard screen on the guzzi fairs well on the highway. (your chest is protected and clean wind on your helmet). The large screen does give me buffeting even with a deflector still. I am still experimenting with a larger deflector to sort that out. All in all, pretty good wind protection. What I can say, I feel more on a motorcycle with the Guzzi, like more close with the elements. Comfort is extremely good. Cruise control is a lifesaver (i had one of those manual throttle extensions for the cb500x, but those work "meh". I have a tank bag, put it on CC and rest your right hand on the bag. The seat is very comfortable, much more than the honda, which gave me bum ache after 1 hour. The Guzzi one after 3 hours. handlebars are more upwards, and seating position is good as, like on the honda, you can slide around. One thing to note. I have a pretty large boot size, size 11 in the UK i think. When placing my toes on the pegs, the rear of my boot does hit the rear passenger bracket. I got around it by finding another foot placement. Just one of those quircks that you need to accept. 6: verdict: I am very happy with my choice in replacing the cb500x. The guzzy does have it's negatives, but a lot of positives if you don't want something that will get you speeding fines everywhere, or that you have to be extremely careful with the throttle. It's a very good looking bike, reasonably economical and puts a smile on my face when it moves from side to side and I hear the rumble of the engine. Oh yeah, it's also convenient not having to worry about the chain tensioning or cleaning after a ride ;) Hope this helps for you. If you can find a good deal on it secondhand like I did, that would be the best deal.
@@henrietn Hi Hendrik, thank you so much for this information. As with you, I crave a bike with character. The cb500x is a great tool as you’ve said. You can count on it getting you from A to B, but the 500x is not a car, it is a motorbike so it’s supposed to make you smile! My main reasons for upgrading were: More Punch and character - (not super fast but a bit more oomph as the 500x lacks at faster speeds) but something that also makes me smile on twisties even though I’ll be using it daily Shaft drive - an absolute god send for maintenance and this seems to be about the only middleweight adventure bike with a shaft! Wind Protection - interesting that you say that the upper body protection is better but lower body is worse on the Guzzi. I would favour upper body protection I think, as I can always wear waterproof trousers to aid a bit with warmth (I’m from the U.K. so I have to wear waterproofs a lot!) Handling & Comfort - id say this is the least important for me out of the other factors as I already find the 500x quite comfy (I’m 180cm, 100kg) so I think the bike fits me well for my height but this might be because I did lots of travelling on a duke 390, so anything other than a duke felt like a sofa to me! Maintenance - with those pistons heads sticking out the side, it should be much easier for me to do maintenance on the valves when the time comes which is super handy! It also doesn’t use shims either which is a plus Thank you again for the information, I really appreciate it. I’m going to have to test ride one as I’ve heard lots of positive things about the Guzzi! I’m looking forward to hopefully owning a bike again with a powerful soul. Although my duke 390 was super impractical for me, with my back aching after my 2 hour rides from University to my home town, it still made me smile more!
@@TheDJCJ2000 No problem! More Punch and character - it goes pretty well uptil 140km/h. more than that i mostly don't do and the buzz starts to come it at 150 ish. In the twisties it is lot's of fun actually! Shaft drive - You can say that again ! oil changes every 30k I saw in the manual. Wind Protection - Yeah It has to do with the shape of the tank. It is beautiful, but directs some air to your upper legs. Well, Italy has better weather normally so :p Handling & Comfort - The guzzi will feel even more relaxing. The seat is a lot wider too ! Maintenance - Yeah! Mine goes out of warranty this year, so I will be doing all the maintenance myself. Some newer bikes are a nightmare (especially valve jobs) For me comfort is key! I am too 1.88 with 83kg and pretty long legs (34" inseam) so I was glad to have some space to move them around.
I've never heard about low speed lurching on the bike. That sounds awful. If the bike has an imu, surely it won't do anything when it's leaned over? I thought that was the whole thing behind DCT, no surprises. What you said just sound dangerous. I would shy away from any bike that weighs as much as the Honda. I really don't see the point in them. I'd rather tour on a much smaller bike.
How about the horn button position? I saw it and i think it is rather uncomfy. The horn button and turn signal switch in my little honda scooter, exchane their position and it is hard for me to sound the horn, because when i thought i've pressed the horn button, it is do nothing because it is a turn signal switch
@@Englishbikerdan thank you, sir🔥🔥 Now i know how you feel about the switch and horn of the motorcycle. Great bike honestly, but the switches position and less intuitive interface, may become it's drawback for some people
Proof that I watched the vid all the way through, I could hardly see yo standing behind the the bike at the end of the vid. Coming from Japan, it seems a bit strange that a 100bhp bike is so big.
Let's address the elephant in the room, its monstrously heavy and top heavy with it. I owned one good bike, soon became very tiresome lugging its lardy arse around.
I don't think think there's an elephant in the room. All big adventure bikes are heavy. Sure it's a little top heavy but I found it no worse most others bar the GS and KTM. Once you get going it's fine. I'll agree moving it about off the bike is an effort.
Nice review. I Bought in january a Yamaha Tracer 9 GT....but i changed it after 600 miles for this Africa Twin Adventure Sports. This is my bike and really love it!!! What a beast!!
Her 21-inch tires and wide handlebars are great off-road.
In the world of "beaked" adv bikes, this is one of the very few that looks good in my eye :)
Any updates on the Transalp?
A touring/ adventure bike is my next bike purchase and its great to see these reviews. 👍
I like how there's that happiness laugh momentarily through out the video. Hihi 😁. That's how great this bike is.
Great review Dan. I have the 2020 ATAS manual and have done a couple of trips from my home in Coffin Bay (South Oz) to Adelaide, over 600km in a day and had no issue with the seat comfort. Usually a couple of comfort stops along the way to stretch the legs. The multitude of buttons on the left switchgear all makes sense once Apple Car Play is engaged by pairing a headset and is quite easy to use with practise. I spend a lot of time on dirt and the odd single track and it is indeed a heavy bike at slow speed but very capable (depending on tyre choice). It is by no means perfect but given it’s competitive price in the big adventure bike sector and Honda reliability (25,000km on mine without issue), when the time comes I won’t hesitate to jump on another one 🇦🇺
SA is a great place to have an AT.
I hear ya Jerry! I have same unit DCTes. I absolutely love it! 17000 km and almost worry free! Great bike in every terrain other than tight single track. Myself and and a bud did Guglatech Mazinga upgrades on fuel tanks to resolve weld, fuel pump issue. Better tires are a must for offroad. I have a Z06 and Boss, but I love to ride the AT :-) Happy trails Jerry, wishing you a great riding 2022 :-)
My buds and I have decided if ours were ever stolen, the day after we'd be buying another. We have a ton of gas burning toys, and this is one we can't live without. Cheers from Canucksville 🇨🇦
I have owned two DCT bikes, DCT is great. But i agree upon the buttons / software on the AT1100 / NT1100, it has to be better for me too consider one of these bikes.
Great review Dan. I've got the 2020 ATAS with DCT. I'm 60, with a bit of arthritis in knee and hip, and I was also bikeless for 40 years (but ridden a few times in between) until 2018. Honda man to my core since I was weaned, or at least - on rusks 😉 . I bought the DCT, and as you say, low speed manoeuvres are not comfortable when it shifts up (or down) as a surprise!!. However, I did a 400 mile round trip two weeks ago, and could easily have done another 200, so 600 miles in a day, with old fartypant flexibility issues are not a problem at all. For me - in conclusion it is the perfect, PERFECT mile muncher, fun ride, especially comfort-wise, but needs to be manual box with quick shifter. Ride safe brother 👍
Thanks Paul, ah I grew up on rusks too! Glad you find the bike comfy but yeah, that DCT is still not quite there yet! Ride safe!
The DCT in low speed situations is a bit of a challenge…but…with practice (and using the rear brake) it becomes quite easy. Just Practice!
Missing the cheeky “look to camera” from previous videos which makes us all split our sides with laughter. Got to be done! You’re a natural presenter.
Thx for the review !! Greetings from Moldova 🇲🇩
Can't wait for mine to arrive - got one on order and it'll be here 'in June'. Great review!
I've been waiting for this review of my favourite adventure bike.
Thank you for this review. Well done as always.
My pleasure!
The reason why I did not buy it in the end, the seat - it felt pretty uncomfortable … after market seat is an option but my opinion is, if you feel not good right at the beginning, it’s just not it …
The hard seat is for the first hundred km. After that it gets comfier. Also if you plan long trips, is better a hard seat that a soft seat that at first feels comfortable, but after a couple of hours you are sitting in the plastics…
Excellent video. Well shot and full of great info. Thanks
I find myself standing up on the pegs to ease the bum pain on mine. And yes 300 miles is easily achievable. Just a shame they seem to suffer with rust after only 3000 miles, such poor paintwork on the frame 😕
Where are you riding that the frame is rusting after 3k miles? 😮
Heads up fella. When in auto mode, you can still cycle manual shift controls at will. The bike will eventually take back "Auto control", but if you deem a quick shift you can always shift if wanted. We offroad plenty in BC Rockies, and believe the single best thing you can do to make this bike incredibly competent, is change tires. We run Mitas E07's and it sticks well to all surfaces we ride. ES and DCT are the bomb, especially for multi-week adventure. 21000km and still living it! Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Yep, already show changing manually in auto mode early on in the vid.
@@Englishbikerdan I must have missed it. Sorry Dan. It's -25'C outside, and your video cheered me up :-) Only four more months to go, AT riding :-)
@@billmcmeekin7909 No bother, that's pretty chilly! Thanks for watching and stay warm!
Useful & Entertaining ☑ Nice vid. I have a 2017 VFR1200X DCT and find the fuelling can be a little off at low speeds. I have adapted my throttle control to have a very light touch and that definitely helps although it is not for everyone, do not let it put you off DCT as it a fantastic system that brings lots more riding pleasure against any negatives.
Thanks mate, I've actually enjoyed the DCT on other bikes like the Goldwing. Cheers!
Definitely agree with you about the Africa Twin being the best looking Adventure Bike, probably because it hasn’t got the stupid looking pointless Beak like some of the others.
I quite like the beak on some bikes, personal pref and all that.
I love my 1250GS s beak 😆
I’ve having this dropped off tomorrow to use as a curtesy bike as my tiger 955i is going in for an inspection due to being rear ended by a car driver in wales
For those who are watching this and not from the UK, when he says “something you might see in a hospital” he means the the way the information is laid out is similar to that of the machines we get in UK hospitals to monitor heat beat, blood pressure and other vitals etc…I’m sure it’s the same in most countries, but never sure…..of course those in the UK who go into private hospitals alo have monitors that show what gear they’re in and their speed which can be changed between mph and kph …both of which relate to how quickly one gets seen and recovery time 😉😂
Don't forget, if you ruin your back, that's when traction control comes in handy!
@@Englishbikerdan 🤣🤣🤣🤣 very true 👏👏👏👍
Want DCT to "hold" the gear during a "U" turn? Give it a touch of throttle and use the rear brake to modulate speed.
I'm not AT-AS DCT owner, just know this little trick.
My Honda dealer (Texas) has an identical 2022 AT-AS (new) coming in two weeks, but with 6spd. Will likely purchase and have them add the speedshift. The MT w/speedshift is instant and silky smooth on these.
Lots of open land to explore here it Texas. 😄
Hi Dan, another honest & great review of the Africa Twin. It’s definitely a nice looking bike & I didn’t realise how tall it was. 👍
Yeah it's a challenge especially on off camber roads! Cheers!
@@Englishbikerdan how tall are you Dan?
@@ok_selection3287 It's your leg inseam that matters more than your height. There's also a low seat for this model which is 825mm in the low position.
If you have a 30 inch inseam or longer then you should be fine. Any shorter and you'd need to have the right skills to manage the height. Not really an issue on the open road, but can be a bit of a pain in stop start traffic and awkward places.
@@ok_selection3287 5 foot 8 with a 29" inseam.
@@Englishbikerdan thanks Dan, as a 5'7" guy with 28"inseam you give me a lot of confidence
Great video loads of information, love the photography too!
Low speed maneuvers on DCT bikes requires you to drag the rear brake. Apply throttle while modulating the rear brake works something like slipping the clutch on a standard transmission. The benefit of DCT on a trail bike is that the DCT will not allow the bike to stall.
Yeah, got the hang of it in the end before it went back but still not great. Actually better in manual mode.
Nice review! Exhaust sounds good.
Thanks!
You don’t have to go into settings to change the suspension Dan btw but you do have to know where to go to do it as an Africa Twin owner takes a few weeks for muscle memory to kick in.
I have a 2020 version otherwise your test bike. The jerky take off at slow speeds is tough to balance on the rear brake and one reason why a rear hand brake as found on the X-ADV or Forza 750 should be fitted. I’ve tinkered with the hand brake to bring it closer and it certainly helps. There are more elaborate mods out there but Honda should have bitten the bullet on this and ignored the likely scooter comparison prejudices. I like it and the DCT especially was a selling point for me.
Yeah, I tried over the 2 weeks to nail it. Annoyingly, when the bike was collected the driver said that putting it in manual mode for really low speed maneuvers helps a lot with the clutch biting point. So I'll have to test another one and do an update. Cheers!
I like the L model best. Short screen and it's lighter. Shame that one has tubed tyres.
Picking up my new 2022 tricolor AT AS-ES non-DCT w/speed shifter in a few days. ADV bikes are not very common in the US (I'm in Texas) but I'm a fan.
Great video and good info. I’d be sooo great if you could do a video of the DCT slow Turn maneuver where the bike jerks up speed. It’s all over the internet but no videos on it. Thank you
Sadly the bike has gone back to Honda but I'm hoping to get one again for a few weeks later in the year. Thanks.
1:14 The reference of hospital's monitor regarding the design of the dashboard is a dangerous premonición 😂😂
Touches wood. That's what she said!
Awesome review. P.S. your voice sounds like "Korg" from the Marvel movies 👍
Haha, I've heard this a few times but he's from New Zealand! 😂 Thanks for watching!
Thank God its friday (with a new video from Dan) Danriday? :) Great vid as always, cheers!
Thanks mate!
Cracking review Dan👌
Thank you!
Great video, you sound like Jack Whitehall. No bad thing
Very different and I think I like it
The snatchy throttle issue can easily be smoothed out by dragging the rear brake and balancing it against the throttle. Also smother use of the twist grip is another. Try squeezing the grip rather than twisting it. This give a much more finite control and works on any bike.
I tried dragging the brake, it helped a bit but it didn't really sort out the very odd moving clutch biting point issue. Not quite sure what squeezing the grip would do as it's not pressure actuated, it's movement actuated. I like to think I have a very delicate control of the throttle grip, I even use a two fingers to test out how sensitive a throttle is during my testing. Ultimately, I highlight issues that I find on the bikes I review. If others don't experience them or disagree, that's cool. I can only say what I experience.
My 2014 VFR1200XD has the same snatchy throttle. You would think Honda had figured this out by now, all those years later.
As a workaround I also use the rear brake in combination with a Kaoko Throttle Stabilizer.
It seems the ride by wire system is over sensitive to "sudden" throttle inputs.
Maybe I will go for the "ECU adjust route" this season to counter the snatchy behaviour.
@@redboll I agree that it is a 'Honda' thing. I had a 2019 CB500X, and it was also VERY snatchy. I don't buy the idea that I should have to change my riding style, such as dragging the rear brake, just to use the throttle!
@@Englishbikerdan Squeezing the grip is a technique I was taught by a police motorcycle instructor. You naturally turn the throttle in smaller increments by squeezing it. But I do admit it is more effective on a cable throttle rather than electronic ones. To see what i mean hold your hand flat and watch your wrist as you close your hand into a fist.
Ah okay, not something I've ever heard of! Will give it a go when I next have an AT DCT. Cheers.
Cheers Dan. What bikes do you own and are you going on any tours this year?
I guess the reviewer understands it is a touch screen and you do not have to use the buttons to scroll to the function settings and you can actively set things during a ride (e.g., HTSC) using the touch screen.
Thank you for an awesome review video!!!
Was height an issue for you? I’m 175 cm
It's a tall bike, but I managed okay once I got used to it.
Honda seems to have a problem with making the switch Gear too far away.
I have a cb650r. And I have the same problem with the indicator stalk, having to take my hand a bit off the group in order to be able to indicate left.
And I wouldn't consider myself to have small thumbs.
Japanese thnmbs must be as long as fingers!
Ridden this bike and can't agree with a lot of what you criticize about the bike. The switchgear is not too busy, it actually works very intuitively if you take a minute to learn what does what. The message that pops up on the screen after you start the bike can easily be removed by pushing "ent" on the switchgear. You have a second screen so you don't really need to wait for the screen to turn on just start your ride and when your on your way and the big screen is done loading you don't really need to do anything either because anyone that owns this bike and has half a brain will configure the bike just the way he or she likes it and any adjustment you really need when you're on your way can be done with the switchgear.
This bike has plenty of power, especially when you get the DCT. No problem at all passing on the highway, pull open the throttle and you're gone. The power numbers of the competitors don't make much sense to me since I feel more than 100 HP on a vehicle of the weight of a bike is just ludicrous.
On the topic of comfort, always get your bike fitted to your ergonomics. Get it set up for your body and weight. Everyone is different and for some most bikes will be fine for others they won't be. Getting the bike set up is going to allow you many comfortable and enjoyable rides.
Anyway, thanks for the review Dan.
Hey it's fine to disagree with my view of the bike, but my opinion is based on my experience with the bike and so stands, for me. Thanks for watching and commenting! Dan
Great review, you didn't mention how tall you are or leg length etc.. 😊
Thank you! Ah, too much going on in my head! 😂 Check the description as my details are at the bottom. 😊
Honda don't really make a bad bike, but against the current competition and the over priced Africa Twin, it's never going to be up there in sales. However if your looking for a nearly new second hand one, they start to make sense and a great buy, but you do have to ask why there are so many low mileage, under a year old models for sale.
With all the bells and whistles it's definitely not a cheap option! Cheers!
If you love this engine and are going to spend most of the time on road then better go for NT1100. That's basically the same bike, only more road focused.
Cheaper too.
Tried both, in my opinion at NT1100 feels cheap
At 6'4" tall I found the NT too cramped whereas my ATAS is perfect and with a Cool Covers seat cover is fine for 400 mile days. 🌞
My opinion is that all bikes that have a sit up and beg riding position will struggle to be comfortable for long distances because most of your body weight is on your behind. I find the sport touring bikes do a better job of sharing your weight between contact points and I can easily cover a tank of fuel on my Sprint ST without discomfort.
I see what you're saying and have had sore bum on many upright bikes. 👍
You don't need to wait for the main screen. As soon as the small LCD is up, you can start the bike and move off
Yeah I know, but as I was demonstrating the screen I had to wait for the screen to come on. It takes way too long.
@@Englishbikerdan I really like this bike. I'm 66 years old, 5' 5" weigh 74kg, 29in inseam and I can ride it OK. I can't decide to go for the AT or the new Tiger 1200 (which I can also ride easily) for a new bike. I agree with you, the AT is the best looking adventure bike on the market. Like you, I don't like the DCT.
@@spacecoasttactical What did you get?
@@gokulkrishm51 Africa Twin :)
@@spacecoasttactical Ah, great! Congrats :)
Owned the 22 for a month and sold it. The electronics do nothing to enhance the riding experience, and the tft and all the buttons are downright distracting. Honda should put out the CRF1100L-NE. No Electronics version. Lol.
They do a 50% power version, called the CB500X. ;)
I rode an 18 Goldwing with DCT, and was put off by the snatchy throttle at low speed.I’ll try the AT DCT and see if that issue is resolved.
Strangely the DCT Goldwing I rode was great.
@@Englishbikerdan
I heard they tweaked the DCT because of the same complaint, and has been great ever since.Fantastic bike for sure.👍🏻👍🏻
Very nice bike
It seems like it's very hard to find the Manuel version... that socks man, it's like they are pushing these duel clutches down our throat!! Not me I'll be riding my Manuel.. I've tried the dual clutch, can't like it... it's never in the gear you need.
I bought the manual transmission recently
Spend an hour on one in sport mode . The bike is never in the wrong gear, if you need a gear you can change it up or down just like a manual . You will never stall it a light. The only place the dct struggles is very slow technical riding . And you can’t clutch it up.
Have you ever had an issue with using your tinted visor on the street?
Never, thankfully.
0:40 a vital piece of info is missing: how tall are you?
It's always in the description for when I forget to say. I'm 5 foot 8.
great video
Does Honda provide a heated seat option?
Bought a Honda Africa Twin 2021 for my first bike it’s been so big and top heavy. I’ve gotten used to riding it but it’s still so top heavy and hard to move around I’m considering buying another bike. Does anyone else have this issue?
Man, I would not recommend one of these for your first bike. 500X would have been a better bike in my opinion. Ride safe!
@@Englishbikerdan yea I feel I made a bit of a mistaken have def. been considering trying to trade it in for a 500X. Maybe once I pay it down some more I can. Appreciate the reply.
What is the device mounted to the right of your phone that looks like a microphone or Bluetooth speaker?
That's the Insta360 One X2.
Whilst I have my heart set on an Africa Twin its telling that the greater part of this review (and other yootoobers on the same bike) is about modes/displays/tech. Sadly this is not what I want - way too complicated. For me at this time I think I will settle on an earlier gen manual with quickshifter and a whole lot less of the unnecessary screen/tech faffery that comes with this version.
Don’t listen to UA-camrs. I have a 21 model 1100 and I had a 18 model 1000. The 1100 is a better bike and you can ignore the tech, just ride it, and then learn it slowly as you go over time. It’s not complicated if you own it because you will have time to work this out.
There is a lot of tech on this bike, but as I said, the underlying bike is really good. That engine was a hoot.
Yes ignore us! :D
@@Englishbikerdan Not all. 😁 But owning and riding a motorcycle gives you the opportunity to adapt to the idiosyncrasies making them less of an issue. It’s not that UA-camrs are doing anything wrong by pointing this stuff out, but it does sometimes create a negative byproduct.
@@eMotion_Video_UK I just tell viewers what I experience when I have the bike. Maybe there's an easy fix, maybe not. If I owned one I'd probably get used to it, but then I only get the bikes for so long. I'd much rather bring up any issues I come across than pretend they don't exist and it's all great. The other thing is, my reviews are just opinion pieces. People should always ride a bike themselves before parting with their money. I think on the whole my reviews are generally well balanced, you can tell I'm having fun on a bike but I do try to find any little issues. Cheers for watching. :)
Thanks!
Thank you my friend! ❤️
17:35 Ha! This made me laugh out loud. Engine braking - dunno which way does what, so stick it in the middle. Exactly what I would've done! :D
Haha yeah man, if in doubt, stick it in the middle! 🤣
Thanks Dan, I enjoy your reviews! Question please: How does the AT compare with the NT1100 from a size/ weight perspective? Is the NT more manageable and less top heavy than the AT, or the same? Thanks!
Hey, yeah the NT is much easier to manage due to the lower height. Thanks!
Beautiful machine, however, it's too expensive in my eyes. With some options you are looking at a 21/22k euro motorcycle, which frankly is way too much. Also, being Honda, a lot of the stuff is an option. Some of these should be standard on a bike costing this much...no center stand, no topbox or sidecases included? Comon Honda, for these prices, throw it in there !!! These things barely see offroad use in real life, at least where I live. (Belgium) recently sold my cb500x and was looking for a secondhand Guzzi V85TT, picked up a 2019 in excellent condition with 15k on the clock for around 8.500, with nearly all the options added by the PO.
I’m in the exact same position (have a cb500x and looking to upgrade to a V85tt). What’s your experience been like on the Guzzi? Is it a worthy upgrade over the 500x?
You could always look at 2nd hand AT's, or just have the lower spec AT without the DCT and EERA suspension. End of the day, it's about what suits your needs and budget and sounds like you got there. Enjoy that V85TT, it's a nice machine.
@@TheDJCJ2000 Hi Daniel. Well, it depends on what you are looking for.
Why I changed my cb500x? Well, couple of reasons, maybe that will help you in your quest for choosing the right bike.
1: looks. The cb500x is a "meh" looking motorcycle. I didn;t really know what I wanted for my first bike, so I got an allrounder. The cb500x looked OK for me in the beginning. However, after 6 months or so, after I came back from a tour, I didn't even look at it anymore. I saw it as a tool, nothing more, nothing less. And a motorcycle for me should be something you think is beautiful when you look at it. The Guzzi on the other hand, I got it in deep red/black. Every time i come back, I stare at it the garage, wanting to ride some more. People ask me at stops what it is and how it rides, which would never have happened with the Honda.
2: vibe/feel/character, however you may call it. For me the cb500x was like a whitegood. A good running sewing machine, however, devoid of any emotion. It does what it needs you to do, nothing more, nothing less. It does pull well in 3rd gear to give you some smiles. It is accurate in shifting, and steering, a good allrounder. But that's about it. The Guzzi is totally different. It shakes when you start it up, you need to give it some time for the oil to warm up to shift nicely in 2nd gear. The gear shift itself needs getting used too. It is lacking a bit in feel compared to the cb but it's very smooth. (you just need to apply light pressure before the shift point). You feel the heat when stopping, but that's expected on an aircooled v-twin. On the road you don't notice it.
once riding, vibrations are minimal. It's an experience in itself every time you start it up and ride away. Now I know what people mean with character.
3: engine power/brakes/fuel consumption. It has decent power, 3rd especially puts a grin on your face. It's not a rocket ship, but deffo faster than the cb500x. I didn't want a crotch rocket, but did want something with a bit more punch. Do a test ride if you can and get it to 3rd gear. It has ample power for me, and a lot of low down torque, which makes you cruise and enjoy the scenery. The sound of the intake puts a grin on your face when you rev it up. Brakes are very good. It's not really the initial bite, but when squeezing harder it does stop very well. I had the 2020 cb500x and that was sorely lacking. Can't say anything about the 2022 model though. Fuel consumption is higher (to be expected) but not that much. I averaged 4.3l/100km when picking it uo from Germany and riding back to Belgium (460km). Highway cruising is higher (6/7l), however, that was about the same on my cb500x.
4: handling and weight. You might be suprised, but I feel the Guzzi handles better than the cb500x. It's nimbler on it's turn-in. Suspension is a lot like the cb, but less dive when braking hard. Again, the 2022 cb500x model is better now from Honda. The weight feels less, although being 30 kg heavier. I can move it my garage better than the cb, and low speed manoeuvres are easier. (throttle is just easier to control on the guzzi, the honda was too snatchy on low speed stuff).
5: wind protection and general comfort. Wind protection for my legs was better on the cb500x (and i have long legs), due to the sloped fairing. On the Guzzi, i can feel the cold wind hitting my upper legs. I don't mind, just prepare for it when it get's chilly outside. Upside is riding in summer though. Upper body protection is better, even with the standard small screen. The big screen protects your shoulders even, the cb was lacking there. I am 6.2, so every motorcycle for me needs an extension deflector to clear my helmet. However, the cb500x with the standard screen was horrible. I had to add a deflector to be able to cope. The standard screen on the guzzi fairs well on the highway. (your chest is protected and clean wind on your helmet). The large screen does give me buffeting even with a deflector still. I am still experimenting with a larger deflector to sort that out. All in all, pretty good wind protection. What I can say, I feel more on a motorcycle with the Guzzi, like more close with the elements. Comfort is extremely good. Cruise control is a lifesaver (i had one of those manual throttle extensions for the cb500x, but those work "meh". I have a tank bag, put it on CC and rest your right hand on the bag. The seat is very comfortable, much more than the honda, which gave me bum ache after 1 hour. The Guzzi one after 3 hours. handlebars are more upwards, and seating position is good as, like on the honda, you can slide around. One thing to note. I have a pretty large boot size, size 11 in the UK i think. When placing my toes on the pegs, the rear of my boot does hit the rear passenger bracket. I got around it by finding another foot placement. Just one of those quircks that you need to accept.
6: verdict: I am very happy with my choice in replacing the cb500x. The guzzy does have it's negatives, but a lot of positives if you don't want something that will get you speeding fines everywhere, or that you have to be extremely careful with the throttle. It's a very good looking bike, reasonably economical and puts a smile on my face when it moves from side to side and I hear the rumble of the engine. Oh yeah, it's also convenient not having to worry about the chain tensioning or cleaning after a ride ;) Hope this helps for you. If you can find a good deal on it secondhand like I did, that would be the best deal.
@@henrietn Hi Hendrik, thank you so much for this information. As with you, I crave a bike with character. The cb500x is a great tool as you’ve said. You can count on it getting you from A to B, but the 500x is not a car, it is a motorbike so it’s supposed to make you smile! My main reasons for upgrading were:
More Punch and character - (not super fast but a bit more oomph as the 500x lacks at faster speeds) but something that also makes me smile on twisties even though I’ll be using it daily
Shaft drive - an absolute god send for maintenance and this seems to be about the only middleweight adventure bike with a shaft!
Wind Protection - interesting that you say that the upper body protection is better but lower body is worse on the Guzzi. I would favour upper body protection I think, as I can always wear waterproof trousers to aid a bit with warmth (I’m from the U.K. so I have to wear waterproofs a lot!)
Handling & Comfort - id say this is the least important for me out of the other factors as I already find the 500x quite comfy (I’m 180cm, 100kg) so I think the bike fits me well for my height but this might be because I did lots of travelling on a duke 390, so anything other than a duke felt like a sofa to me!
Maintenance - with those pistons heads sticking out the side, it should be much easier for me to do maintenance on the valves when the time comes which is super handy! It also doesn’t use shims either which is a plus
Thank you again for the information, I really appreciate it. I’m going to have to test ride one as I’ve heard lots of positive things about the Guzzi! I’m looking forward to hopefully owning a bike again with a powerful soul. Although my duke 390 was super impractical for me, with my back aching after my 2 hour rides from University to my home town, it still made me smile more!
@@TheDJCJ2000 No problem! More Punch and character - it goes pretty well uptil 140km/h. more than that i mostly don't do and the buzz starts to come it at 150 ish. In the twisties it is lot's of fun actually!
Shaft drive - You can say that again ! oil changes every 30k I saw in the manual.
Wind Protection - Yeah It has to do with the shape of the tank. It is beautiful, but directs some air to your upper legs. Well, Italy has better weather normally so :p
Handling & Comfort - The guzzi will feel even more relaxing. The seat is a lot wider too !
Maintenance - Yeah! Mine goes out of warranty this year, so I will be doing all the maintenance myself. Some newer bikes are a nightmare (especially valve jobs)
For me comfort is key! I am too 1.88 with 83kg and pretty long legs (34" inseam) so I was glad to have some space to move them around.
I've never heard about low speed lurching on the bike. That sounds awful. If the bike has an imu, surely it won't do anything when it's leaned over? I thought that was the whole thing behind DCT, no surprises. What you said just sound dangerous. I would shy away from any bike that weighs as much as the Honda. I really don't see the point in them. I'd rather tour on a much smaller bike.
Horses for courses I guess! Cheers.
How about the horn button position?
I saw it and i think it is rather uncomfy. The horn button and turn signal switch in my little honda scooter, exchane their position and it is hard for me to sound the horn, because when i thought i've pressed the horn button, it is do nothing because it is a turn signal switch
I talk about this in the vid. 👍 Cheers.
@@Englishbikerdan thank you, sir🔥🔥
Now i know how you feel about the switch and horn of the motorcycle.
Great bike honestly, but the switches position and less intuitive interface, may become it's drawback for some people
Please mention the song name used
Proof that I watched the vid all the way through, I could hardly see yo standing behind the the bike at the end of the vid. Coming from Japan, it seems a bit strange that a 100bhp bike is so big.
Thanks I appreciate you watching. She's a big girl for sure!
I'm sorry, Is that tyrannosaurus with 2 wheels?
Basically, yes!
I’m about to trade in my ‘22 ktm six days 500 for this
What model KTM you trading in?
At 850mm, and 29 inch inseam - you're on balls of your feet? How is that even possible lol.
What happens when you sit on a bike?
you can ride off while the tft is booting up
Yes of course, but it still takes forever and I was trying to show the screen.
Having an automatic transmission on a bike is absolutely moronic.
Interesting take. I think you should relax. 🤔😂
Let's address the elephant in the room, its monstrously heavy and top heavy with it.
I owned one good bike, soon became very tiresome lugging its lardy arse around.
I don't think think there's an elephant in the room. All big adventure bikes are heavy. Sure it's a little top heavy but I found it no worse most others bar the GS and KTM. Once you get going it's fine. I'll agree moving it about off the bike is an effort.
the handle bars look so cheap and nasty
Who are you?
@@Englishbikerdan ronnie pickering