Great review! I liked the detail of the USB cover with integrated cable routing, and also the real demonstration of how those cornering lights worked. Kudos!
Really good honest review. I can really appreciate the efforts taken into making this video, especially the night ride to show the LED lights. Great stuff overall 😊👍🏼
Great review. Had a 2017 AT and put 40K Miles on it. Never put a foot wrong. I have the same model as this now with 2K on it and it's sublime. Just waiting for the Akra end can to release a few more DB's.
Great review Tony, covering all the important things 👍🏻 and of course you test road it in an environment most owners will use the bike. The manufacturers like to show these Adventure bikes off road, but the truth is 95% of owners will at most, ride down a track on the odd occasion, or indeed, will never venture off a tarmac road. I’ve just bought a ATAS ES manual version and am loving it, the engine torque is a real world benefit and the exhaust sounds fantastic (probably the best stock exhaust sounding bike), the suspension is very well damped, plush but sporty and makes the bike handle very well indeed. The Apple CarPlay is a brilliant feature (although totally agree about having to use a headset is rather daft, especially if the battery dies on it, which means you’ll no longer have a nav), its great having all your music and maps on the bikes dash and it even displays google satellite maps, so when your looking for something, or Offroad you can see what’s around you. The other bonus is voice control, but I haven’t tried that yet. The control buttons on the bars look a nightmare, but as you say Tony, theres no need to use most once you’ve set the bike up how you want it, so on the move you’ll only be using the mode buttons (arrows), function and page buttons for the heated grips, volume and to quickly switch from maps to normal screen if you feel the need. It also has a favourite button which you can allocate to certain functions giving you a short cut to that function, although that list is rather limited and I’d like to see a few more options added. The seat is one of the best I’ve used on a bike, feels quite hard, but is very comfortable and now its narrower, easy to get your feet on the ground. I would like a lower screen, so hopefully there will be something available soon, but otherwise its fine, although a single hand adjuster would have been handy. The gearbox and clutch operation are silky smooth, no faffing around like on a GS. This bike is (so far) truly an amazing all round bike for me, granted I haven’t had it long, but having had a fair few BM GS/GSA’s in the past, I’d say its on par (if not better) with the 1250 I had before, which i got rid of due to some issues. I love the high riding position of adventure bikes, gives you a great view of the road (and the scenery) and they are generally very comfortable for long rides and touring holidays. Of course the ATAS also looks the Muts Nuts too 👍🏻😄 P.S. yep, the side stand is too short 😄
You clearly enjoyed the time you had on the ATAS 1100, but as you said, the new Tiger 900 may throw a spanner in the works. I was interested in it when it was announced, but the lack of electronic suspension on the Pro version ruled it out, as well as the colour schemes. But I’m sure its going to be a very good bike indeed. I’m Very impressed and happy with my purchase, the 1100 rides very well on the road, the engine/gearbox is fantastic and sounds great. I think you need to speak to honda to arrange a long term test and get away on it for a week 😄.
I couldn't have put it better myself Old Chap! and thanks for posting this very interesting review! I've also just purchased the Standard Africa Twin in the Matt Black with the red fashings and an awesome bike it is at first impressions and straight out the gate! And I have to agree with you here man! Honda really have got this middleweight contender pretty much spot on. The only thing I anticipated after spending a fair bit of time on BMW's 850 GS was the silky smooth ride, aided by the relatively soft suspension that all the major manufacturers have incorporated with 80/20 Adventure Bikes and rightly so, for anyone that has done seriously long distances in the saddle on these type of bikes like I have will feel me when I say "Comfort is Everything" So well done Honda and BMW for that! That being said, unlike the GS 850 the Honda has settings that you can dial in and save on the front forks and I for one can't wait to get them stiffened up and go give the KTM a run for its money on some rough, fast technical terrain! Just for reference to anyone reading this, it's not me being all giddy about my New Honda as I love all things 2 wheeled and own the BMW GS1200 Rallye, The KTM 690 Enduro R, A couple of road registered Flat Out Off Road Honda's and Yamaha's so I'm keeping it totally real when I tell you The New AT is straight up and awesome allrounder and would say to you all, get into your local Honda Dealership and give it a go!
Thanks, ooh the Matt black one is a looker too. From an aesthetic point of view I think i prefer the standard bike? Thanks for taking the time to comment
I love those cornering lights. Wish I had them years ago on my first Iron butt ride at night in switchbacks in death valley. That section of the ride was scary. Actually everything from that part on was sketchy but I finished it in my 1981 Suzuki GS1100.
Yep, I never knew I needed them until I rode this bike lol. But seriously they are a really good thing to have. Iron Butt rider, respect to you my friend
You are going to think I’m nuts but the exhaust note is almost identical and very reminiscent of my 1972 SL350 and that’s a sound I absolutely love! I’m a big fan of the Super T however Honda has really hit a home run with this new AT!
I liked your honest review. BMW has lost its way with the Shift cam issues and dash problems. Honda always builds a reliable bike. I think I am going to wait and buy the Pan America though. I love the look.
Honda had this version at my local motorcycle show in Washington, DC recently and it certainly looks nice. I definitely agree the kickstand is too short - requiring quite a push to get it up. As a shortie (29.5" inseam) the bike is a bit unwieldy. Lots of good choices in this space. Thank you for the thoughtful review.
Very interesting review, detailed but not annoying. I have an info for you and your viewers, regarding the Apple Carplay, the headset it's needed only the first time, when you've done it once, the next time it's enough that you skip the request pushing the "back" button on the handlebar for a few sec and off you go. Cheers
Thank you for a very well presented review ! Haven't been to your channel before but I'm subscribed now. You are spot on with your focus, most of us want balance in an adventure bike rather than all out off road capability. I'm replacing a Tuono later this year as I've found that full days, 300-400 miles of mountain curves are just to uncomfortable. At this point the AT1100 and the Tiger Rally Pro are the front runners. Can't wait for the Tiger's launch and look forward to your review!
Views from the Man Cave Hmm, interesting as I was referring to official Honda catalogue where they provide the following data: ATAS - 238kg, ATAS DCT - 248kg, ATAS ES - 240kg, ATAS DCT & ES - 250kg. Basically +10kg DCT & +2kg ES. Cheers
Good review Tony, it's a pretty awesome bike. Honda has a great pedigree with the Africa Twin heritage. There is something very satisfying about owning a bike that has a competition pedigree, Baja/Dakar etc. Cheers, Steve...ps are you going to review the Tenere 700 sometime...?
Cheers Steve, yes I thought it was going to be good, but it was better than I was expecting, and the more I rode it, the more I liked it. I’ve been trying to get hold of a Tenere 700 to test, but no luck so far
Full and honest review, thank you. I have the standard Africa Twin and share your enthusiasm! Interestingly you mentioned the CarPlay bluetooth issue. Similarly I run a Sena 10c evo and it fights with the bike set up for control when calling or receiving. Have you figured a work around for this? Great work - thank you for your time and energy reviewing
Thanks, and yes the whole bluetooth connection can be troublesome sometimes. Especially If I ride with my Tomtom sat nav. That means my headset, phone, bike and satnav are all competing together!
100hp i agree is more than enough for adventure bike, and would be cool if Honda would make Africa Twin 750 again :) something between cb500x and AT1100 with ~200kg weight, spoked wheels and nice suspension etc
Great review, thanks! It is very good to hear a review on the basic adventure sport and not as always the DCT with electronic suspension. Have you tried the previous model? If so, do you think when buying a new Africa twin it is worth paying 5000£ more for the 2020 than a new 2019 with full touratech kit?
Thanks, and yes I wanted to try what I think will be the most popular model. I have only ridden the previous model for a short period and although I think the new bike is better, that’s a big price and kit difference. If you are going to fit all the touratech stuff anyway, then it seems a bit of a no brainer
Its fine for filtering, nothing is wider than the bars, so easy to judge. I really like the AT particularly with DCT. I was also impressed with the GT Pro, that semi electronic suspension is realy good
Thanks! That would be an interesting comparison. I hope to review the Tiger 900 soon. The Honda suprised me, and it was nice to ride a twin again with a bit more grunt low down. I'd also be interested to try the standard Africa Twin
Great review - have you tried the Rally Pro yet and how do you think the weight and handling compare between the two? I thought the Rally is a super-light bike
I haven't yet, that is something i'm working on. I have riddent the standard Africa Twin with the DCT gearbox, and currently have a KTM 790 Adventure R, both reviews will be going live in the next couple of weeks. Keep watching for the Tiger 900
Personally I think its more comfortable, the motor is more relaxed at motorway speeds. Sorry I can’t remember what the red line is off the top of my head
Are you sure the weights you quoted were dry ones? I had one of the original 750s - the RD04 - for four years. I bought it in Tokyo in 1992 and shipped it home when I moved back to England. Too much technology on this model, but I'd be tempted by the 1100 base model if it had cross-spoke wheels. Have a puncture at speed on inner-tubes and you'll know about it. I know what you mean about having the off-road style in your DNA. I used to have a Jeep Wrangler 4.0 Ltd. Some petrol bill.
@@mancavemoto Just watching this again, Tony. I don't believe manufacturers' weight claims. There seems to be a consensus on UA-cam reviews that wet weight includes fuel. It can't do. If you take the 790 and 790 R as examples, they take 20 litres of fuel which weighs 14.2 kg. Very good review. I prefer the CRF1100L to this bike.
Nice review. I did not think that Apple CarPlay will work with AirPods. But I came up to pair my Bluetooth Loudspeaker to have music over my motorcycle like Goldwing does. ;-)
@@mancavemoto Yessss! Today Honda called me that my new AT just arrived. Here is how I did it (english subtitles available). ua-cam.com/video/kvxuLUD8gBo/v-deo.html
No thy have both the DCT version and the manual. I’ll be riding the DCT one soon. The standard version ie not the adventure sports has slightly less electronics, but not much ;)
Great review well done . Slightly cheeky question how do you get on with that helmet it’s one of the ones I’m looking at for quiteness comfort ect I have Schubert’s at the moment I have a large oval head type I’m also thinking of the shoes multitech2 witch I know you have tested 👍👍
Thanks Dale, the profile V is an excellent helmet, comfortable and quiet. The one in the video was a demo helmet, but i've ordered one in Modern Gray with a pro shield.
Yes it’s a step up from the pro. It hasn’t got the dynamic range of something like the latest GoPro’s, but that not a fair comparison really. It’s a great little all in one unit
Is that the Arai Renegade helmet you're wearing?? The one with the horrid visor lock! I have one too and its the most awkward sod when wearing winder gloves. Infuriating!! I took it all to pieces and managed to adjust the pivot points but its still not great. Quiet though :-) No. You have the Profile V. But still with the visor lock gadget?
Great review but I don't know why people compare adventure bikes with offroad vehicles and SUV's - I can't stand those types of vehicles and would only ever drive one if I lived/worked on a farm or in the middle of nowhere. On the other hand An Adventure bike is everything - It's fun and light feeling you can do wheelies and after owning 5 since 2008 feel that they were just a progression from the motocross bikes I grew up with.. Sorry, rant over cheers!
I really messed up. Have had smaller displacement dual sports in the past like the WR250R and picked up a 2022 CRF300L Rally ABS a few months ago. Splashed $1,800 on Rally Raid Level 2 suspension and uncorked it. Now my wife wants to ride with me. The little bike doesn't have the muster to carry both of us on longer trips. Really wish I had gotten the AT instead but was intimidated by the idea of a liter bike when I was looking. I think I'm going to sell my Lexus and get an 1100 ATAS ES manual and keep the smaller bike for trail work. Honestly didn't realize there was an affordable ADV touring bike and should have gotten the bigger Honda instead. Really seems perfect for two up adventures that we want to do.
Are you sure those weights you quoted were dry ones? I really like this bike. Definitely the best-looking adventure bike. I had an RD-04 - the first of the AT 750s - for four years. I was living in Tokyo when I bought it and I shipped it back when I moved back to England. A superb bike if a bit slow. I'd be very tempted by the base model with DCT if it had cross-spoke wheels, but there's no way I'm riding on inner-tubes.
I’m on the fence between BMW R1250GS/GSA and Africa twin Adventure sports. Can anyone suggest me which is better and why? My main usage of the bike would be for touring.
You can’t go wrong with either for touring. One thing that might swing it towards the Honda is the excellent DCT gearbox? It really does make long distance travelling more relaxing
There is a difference between the Adventure Sports and the 'standard' Africa Twin yes, but obviously not the different colourways for each respective model
Views from the Man Cave , yeah , that was my understanding from seeing the description on the Internet, but had 2 dealers tell me yesterday, the black could not be bought as Adventure Sport, only standard; I think the dealers are jacking me around
Hi i'm looking into buying this bike so i'm checking out all the AT reviews. something I hope someone could enlighten me with, has the LED display got a cover? I know there are some muppets out there that through mindless boredom would love to break the touch screen.
@@mancavemoto many thanks for your reply. and as far as im aware DCT means you can change from a Manuel to an Automatic, am I right in thinking that. I ask because I cant ride a manuel bike
@@idrider4748 DCT refers to 'dual clutch transmission' so its an automatic bike with no clutch lever or foot gear shifter, but you can change gears manually via thumb controls on the handlebars
Will be nice to see how these tft screens will last in different weather and temperatures conditions and how much service will charge to change them in cases of all bike manufacturers not only Honda, they are not doing tft themselves, obviously it’s made by others and something tell me it is crappy Asian electronics that won’t last especially on adventure bikes but let see😀
They should be pretty robust, but crappy Asian electronics? Japan, Taiwan and Korea have led the way in mass electronic development and manufacturing for years. There’s less tech inside the screens than there is in the average mobile phone I reckon. But having said that, only time will tell I guess.....
Met an old lad called Mr Cotes, he went for a ride into Europe for a few weeks and came back 14 years later (very understanding wife) as he decided to go around the world. He was on his Honda Africa twin, he still has it and it has over 300,000 miles on it. It is the most reliable bike there is. I get into trouble for going for a spin on a Sunday morning.
Yeah but... how many times can you drop it until you can no longer recover financially? Using a 2001 Suzuki DR650SE as a baseline... Also, asking for a friend...
Thanks for the vid. 238kg a little too heavy for me in New Zealand . Nice bike I'm sure but the electronics leave me cold., seems like it's all you talk about. I just want a motorcycle . Start and ride. Looking at the Yamaha Tenere 700 now. No electronics , just like the old days please
no worries, and well there are a lot electronics to talk about. Nothing wrong with them of course, until they go wrong! lol Of course you can just jump on this start it up and ride. Thats what i ended up doing more than anything
Thanks very interesting review. If you can please do not only review the Tiger 900 Rally, please also review the Tiger 900 GT; thanks in advance; best regards from Montreal.
@@mancavemoto yes that is one of the reason why our government did not allow motorcycles on highway, the other reason would be to many track star wannabes that would increase traffic accidents dramatically, if our government allow motorcycles on highway, its sad really...
3 650's that run lots of parts, my sons and in laws are working one a 650 we just welded the case a 67 - 441 that we started playing with the d- greaser, I still have my 62 250 that still runs..she has wore a dented up gas tank. My little brother would play hooky in JH school take her for a ride and wake up his class mates during school hours. 1:00 pm..They knew the kids would tell on him.
Get a Tenere, and buy gold or bicoin with the considerable cash difference. Honda and BMW are more,than happy to produce OTT leviathans for people with too much money, and people who sign away their wage for HP. Yamaha took the sensible route, and is arguably the more 'true' adventure bike without the non essential bells and whistles. I have an old BMW, but wouldn't buy a new one or an AT despite being in the fortunate position of being comfortably able to buy either.
Great job recording the engine sound! God that is a beautiful soundtrack.
Cheers, its pretty 'rorty' for a stock Honda
Ye have to agree, first time I've heard an exhaust capture sound like the real thing, superb well done.
Great review! I liked the detail of the USB cover with integrated cable routing, and also the real demonstration of how those cornering lights worked. Kudos!
Thanks, the cornering lights are excellent.
Great review. Certainly heightened my interest in taking a much closer look. Keep up the good work.
Thanks, I've currently got the 'standard' version on test, but with the DCT gearbox
This style of review I absolute get on with. Great relaxed chat through it and plenty of the outside on view too.
Thank you
Yourself and the Missenden Flyer probably do some of the best no nonsense reviews on the web. Thanks Sir!
Thanks, glad to be included in such esteemed company
Really good honest review. I can really appreciate the efforts taken into making this video, especially the night ride to show the LED lights. Great stuff overall 😊👍🏼
Thanks Jazz
Great review. Had a 2017 AT and put 40K Miles on it. Never put a foot wrong. I have the same model as this now with 2K on it and it's sublime. Just waiting for the Akra end can to release a few more DB's.
Nice!
Great review Tony, covering all the important things 👍🏻 and of course you test road it in an environment most owners will use the bike. The manufacturers like to show these Adventure bikes off road, but the truth is 95% of owners will at most, ride down a track on the odd occasion, or indeed, will never venture off a tarmac road.
I’ve just bought a ATAS ES manual version and am loving it, the engine torque is a real world benefit and the exhaust sounds fantastic (probably the best stock exhaust sounding bike), the suspension is very well damped, plush but sporty and makes the bike handle very well indeed. The Apple CarPlay is a brilliant feature (although totally agree about having to use a headset is rather daft, especially if the battery dies on it, which means you’ll no longer have a nav), its great having all your music and maps on the bikes dash and it even displays google satellite maps, so when your looking for something, or Offroad you can see what’s around you. The other bonus is voice control, but I haven’t tried that yet.
The control buttons on the bars look a nightmare, but as you say Tony, theres no need to use most once you’ve set the bike up how you want it, so on the move you’ll only be using the mode buttons (arrows), function and page buttons for the heated grips, volume and to quickly switch from maps to normal screen if you feel the need. It also has a favourite button which you can allocate to certain functions giving you a short cut to that function, although that list is rather limited and I’d like to see a few more options added.
The seat is one of the best I’ve used on a bike, feels quite hard, but is very comfortable and now its narrower, easy to get your feet on the ground. I would like a lower screen, so hopefully there will be something available soon, but otherwise its fine, although a single hand adjuster would have been handy. The gearbox and clutch operation are silky smooth, no faffing around like on a GS.
This bike is (so far) truly an amazing all round bike for me, granted I haven’t had it long, but having had a fair few BM GS/GSA’s in the past, I’d say its on par (if not better) with the 1250 I had before, which i got rid of due to some issues. I love the high riding position of adventure bikes, gives you a great view of the road (and the scenery) and they are generally very comfortable for long rides and touring holidays. Of course the ATAS also looks the Muts Nuts too 👍🏻😄
P.S. yep, the side stand is too short 😄
Hovi Chauceboy thanks for taking the time to write such a comprehensive comment!
You clearly enjoyed the time you had on the ATAS 1100, but as you said, the new Tiger 900 may throw a spanner in the works. I was interested in it when it was announced, but the lack of electronic suspension on the Pro version ruled it out, as well as the colour schemes. But I’m sure its going to be a very good bike indeed.
I’m Very impressed and happy with my purchase, the 1100 rides very well on the road, the engine/gearbox is fantastic and sounds great. I think you need to speak to honda to arrange a long term test and get away on it for a week 😄.
Absolutely love the intro. OK, now I'm gonna watch the rest.
Thanks
Even though this style of bike does nothing for me, I stumbled upon this video and really enjoyed your laid back no nonsense review. Excellent
Thank you, appreciate the comment
I couldn't have put it better myself Old Chap! and thanks for posting this very interesting review!
I've also just purchased the Standard Africa Twin in the Matt Black with the red fashings and an awesome bike it is at first impressions and straight out the gate!
And I have to agree with you here man! Honda really have got this middleweight contender pretty much spot on.
The only thing I anticipated after spending a fair bit of time on BMW's 850 GS was the silky smooth ride, aided by the relatively soft suspension that all the major manufacturers have incorporated with 80/20 Adventure Bikes and rightly so, for anyone that has done seriously long distances in the saddle on these type of bikes like I have will feel me when I say "Comfort is Everything" So well done Honda and BMW for that!
That being said, unlike the GS 850 the Honda has settings that you can dial in and save on the front forks and I for one can't wait to get them stiffened up and go give the KTM a run for its money on some rough, fast technical terrain!
Just for reference to anyone reading this, it's not me being all giddy about my New Honda as I love all things 2 wheeled and own the BMW GS1200 Rallye, The KTM 690 Enduro R, A couple of road registered Flat Out Off Road Honda's and Yamaha's so I'm keeping it totally real when I tell you The New AT is straight up and awesome allrounder and would say to you all, get into your local Honda Dealership and give it a go!
Thanks, ooh the Matt black one is a looker too. From an aesthetic point of view I think i prefer the standard bike? Thanks for taking the time to comment
It is slick!! That said, I'll be keeping my 2018 Africa Twin DCT.
Don’t blame you
Same for my non-DCT '18 ATAS. It's all about how it makes you feel when you ride.
I haven't rode in quite a few years. This is the machine that I would like to get back on.
Its certainly a comfy easy to ride steed
I love those cornering lights. Wish I had them years ago on my first Iron butt ride at night in switchbacks in death valley. That section of the ride was scary. Actually everything from that part on was sketchy but I finished it in my 1981 Suzuki GS1100.
Yep, I never knew I needed them until I rode this bike lol. But seriously they are a really good thing to have. Iron Butt rider, respect to you my friend
Nice review and totally unbiased. Plus the humour. Cheers.👍🏻
Thanks
Great review. Bought one just like it . Thanks for such a detailed and honest review.
No problem
Is this the best review on the Twin? Yes.
Thank you
You are going to think I’m nuts but the exhaust note is almost identical and very reminiscent of my 1972 SL350 and that’s a sound I absolutely love! I’m a big fan of the Super T however Honda has really hit a home run with this new AT!
I don’t think that’s nuts, Honda have managed to get quite a nostalgic braap out of a new parallel twin motor. I love it too
Thank you for putting the exhaust note as BGM..... Nice video... Keep it up!!🙏
Thanks
Love the "Lets off road!" Clip 👍 Just bought the new GSA, didn't get on with the AT when I rode it.
Love a bit of The Fast Show.
I liked your honest review. BMW has lost its way with the Shift cam issues and dash problems. Honda always builds a reliable bike. I think I am going to wait and buy the Pan America though. I love the look.
Thanks Michael, much appreciated. I know it divides opinion, but I like the styling of the Pan America too
Great review as usual Tony
Will be getting a test ride asap👍🏻
Thanks, yep deffo worth a test. Let me know what you think
Honda had this version at my local motorcycle show in Washington, DC recently and it certainly looks nice. I definitely agree the kickstand is too short - requiring quite a push to get it up. As a shortie (29.5" inseam) the bike is a bit unwieldy. Lots of good choices in this space. Thank you for the thoughtful review.
Thanks for your comments, much appreciated
Very interesting review, detailed but not annoying. I have an info for you and your viewers, regarding the Apple Carplay, the headset it's needed only the first time, when you've done it once, the next time it's enough that you skip the request pushing the "back" button on the handlebar for a few sec and off you go. Cheers
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for a very well presented review ! Haven't been to your channel before but I'm subscribed now. You are spot on with your focus, most of us want balance in an adventure bike rather than all out off road capability. I'm replacing a Tuono later this year as I've found that full days, 300-400 miles of mountain curves are just to uncomfortable. At this point the AT1100 and the Tiger Rally Pro are the front runners. Can't wait for the Tiger's launch and look forward to your review!
Thanks for your comments and welcome aboard. I try to offer the sort of reviews which cover the stuff that I think is important for riders...
Great review! Thank you! One remark: 238kg is a wet weight of ATAS, not dry. Cheers
Thanks. But according to Honda the wet weight is 243kg wet and 238kg dry. 👍
Views from the Man Cave Hmm, interesting as I was referring to official Honda catalogue where they provide the following data: ATAS - 238kg, ATAS DCT - 248kg, ATAS ES - 240kg, ATAS DCT & ES - 250kg. Basically +10kg DCT & +2kg ES. Cheers
Carrying a plug kit vs a spare tube, tools, tyre levers and a paddock stand. I'll have tubeless tyres. Nice review.
Cheers
You have the same helmet from Arai as mine. I like the shell R75, the safety first design. The finish and detail of Arai are phenomenal.
Top class
Great review Tony 👍🏻🇦🇺
Cheers
Love that you tested a manual shift. I'm getting this one except with ES
cheers
Good review Tony, it's a pretty awesome bike. Honda has a great pedigree with the Africa Twin heritage. There is something very satisfying about owning a bike that has a competition pedigree, Baja/Dakar etc. Cheers, Steve...ps are you going to review the Tenere 700 sometime...?
Cheers Steve, yes I thought it was going to be good, but it was better than I was expecting, and the more I rode it, the more I liked it. I’ve been trying to get hold of a Tenere 700 to test, but no luck so far
That pixelated screen is a real turnoff, hopefully honda looks into the issue 😀
;)
Good thorough review, thanks Tony.
Thanks Mark, appreciate the comment
Thanks for the excellent video! Do you see any negative points in not having the electronic suspension? Thx 🙏
Full and honest review, thank you. I have the standard Africa Twin and share your enthusiasm!
Interestingly you mentioned the CarPlay bluetooth issue. Similarly I run a Sena 10c evo and it fights with the bike set up for control when calling or receiving. Have you figured a work around for this?
Great work - thank you for your time and energy reviewing
Thanks, and yes the whole bluetooth connection can be troublesome sometimes. Especially If I ride with my Tomtom sat nav. That means my headset, phone, bike and satnav are all competing together!
100hp i agree is more than enough for adventure bike, and would be cool if Honda would make Africa Twin 750 again :) something between cb500x and AT1100 with ~200kg weight, spoked wheels and nice suspension etc
A 750 AT to compete with the Tenere 700 would certainly be interesting.
Daaaaamn that thing is PRETTY! I don't got the coin for the 2020, but I'll be getting a 2018 standard hopefully around 8k USD this summer, psyched!
Yes you and me both. Nowt wrong with the 2018 model and at that price it’s a steal
@@mancavemoto 8k?! Lol US or no? And where?!!
Great review, thanks! It is very good to hear a review on the basic adventure sport and not as always the DCT with electronic suspension. Have you tried the previous model? If so, do you think when buying a new Africa twin it is worth paying 5000£ more for the 2020 than a new 2019 with full touratech kit?
Thanks, and yes I wanted to try what I think will be the most popular model. I have only ridden the previous model for a short period and although I think the new bike is better, that’s a big price and kit difference. If you are going to fit all the touratech stuff anyway, then it seems a bit of a no brainer
The settings remain , I was told it goes back to the original settings ( eg. ABS & traction control)
I found that whatever pre-set mode you switch into, it stays on the mode when you restart.
I have 2017 manual,am thinking or changing it in couple of months for a year old 1100 adventure sports loved the video 👍
Great 👍 cheers
Nice review! Thanks! Why has Honda failed Android users! I wouldn't change my phone for this! Maybe by the time I make a purchase, they will add it!
No idea, I would hope its something they can add via a firmware update maybe?
Apparently android auto gets added later this year.
Goldwing is the first to get it.
@@moody9931 Thanks for the update, I had assumed it was something that could be added with a firmware update
Love that bike. Just trying to compare that and the 790 Adventure. Need to compare the two on the highway. Thanks!!
I’ve not got to ride the 790 yet. I’d like to try the adventure R
I wonder how the Corbin seat changes the comfort level? Perhaps its a bit wider at the rear to support you for longer rides?
Would be interesting to see, although this seat does widen at the back too. I cant see that you’d have a problem with the stocker
Great review mate
Thanks Michael
Excelente review. Is it true that at higher speeds you can feel a handlebar wobble?
I didn’t notice it
How is it for filtering? Getting a new bike considering this, tiger 1200 alpine and tiger gt pro. What would you go for ?
Its fine for filtering, nothing is wider than the bars, so easy to judge. I really like the AT particularly with DCT. I was also impressed with the GT Pro, that semi electronic suspension is realy good
Nice review! I am trying to decide between the AF and the Triumph 900; what do you think?
Thanks! That would be an interesting comparison. I hope to review the Tiger 900 soon. The Honda suprised me, and it was nice to ride a twin again with a bit more grunt low down. I'd also be interested to try the standard Africa Twin
Great review - have you tried the Rally Pro yet and how do you think the weight and handling compare between the two? I thought the Rally is a super-light bike
I haven't yet, that is something i'm working on. I have riddent the standard Africa Twin with the DCT gearbox, and currently have a KTM 790 Adventure R, both reviews will be going live in the next couple of weeks. Keep watching for the Tiger 900
How does it compare to the tiger on the motorway? Is it as smooth at higher speeds and how high does it rev?
Personally I think its more comfortable, the motor is more relaxed at motorway speeds. Sorry I can’t remember what the red line is off the top of my head
Are you sure the weights you quoted were dry ones?
I had one of the original 750s - the RD04 - for four years. I bought it in Tokyo in 1992 and shipped it home when I moved back to England. Too much technology on this model, but I'd be tempted by the 1100 base model if it had cross-spoke wheels. Have a puncture at speed on inner-tubes and you'll know about it.
I know what you mean about having the off-road style in your DNA. I used to have a Jeep Wrangler 4.0 Ltd. Some petrol bill.
I took them from the spec sheet
@@mancavemoto Just watching this again, Tony. I don't believe manufacturers' weight claims. There seems to be a consensus on UA-cam reviews that wet weight includes fuel. It can't do. If you take the 790 and 790 R as examples, they take 20 litres of fuel which weighs 14.2 kg.
Very good review. I prefer the CRF1100L to this bike.
Nice review. I did not think that Apple CarPlay will work with AirPods. But I came up to pair my Bluetooth Loudspeaker to have music over my motorcycle like Goldwing does. ;-)
now theres an idea
@@mancavemoto Yessss! Today Honda called me that my new AT just arrived. Here is how I did it (english subtitles available). ua-cam.com/video/kvxuLUD8gBo/v-deo.html
Do you have to buy mounting hardware to add the panniers or do they just simply mount in place?
As far as I’m aware they just clip on
Good review, looking at this and the standard with a couple of the upgrades. Have you had a chance to compare this with the standard version?
I haven't no, that was the plan, but lockdown has put pay to that for the time being.
@@mancavemoto I'll be looking for it when we're let out then!!😂
Excellent video. Thanks
No problem
Can I get one with a clutch, gear change and less electronics?
This is the manual bike.....
@@mancavemoto Oh, I thought they were all "twist-n-go". That's good to know. This might be an upgrade from my Varadero.
No thy have both the DCT version and the manual. I’ll be riding the DCT one soon. The standard version ie not the adventure sports has slightly less electronics, but not much ;)
Excellent review
Thanks
Great review well done . Slightly cheeky question how do you get on with that helmet it’s one of the ones I’m looking at for quiteness comfort ect I have Schubert’s at the moment I have a large oval head type I’m also thinking of the shoes multitech2 witch I know you have tested 👍👍
Thanks Dale, the profile V is an excellent helmet, comfortable and quiet. The one in the video was a demo helmet, but i've ordered one in Modern Gray with a pro shield.
I love the evil smirk
;)
Are you happy with the image quality from 10C EVO?
Yes it’s a step up from the pro. It hasn’t got the dynamic range of something like the latest GoPro’s, but that not a fair comparison really. It’s a great little all in one unit
Views from the Man Cave Did you shoot 4k@30fps or 1080p@60fps?
1080p @60fps for this. I will be doing a 10c Evo review soon
Is that the Arai Renegade helmet you're wearing?? The one with the horrid visor lock! I have one too and its the most awkward sod when wearing winder gloves. Infuriating!! I took it all to pieces and managed to adjust the pivot points but its still not great. Quiet though :-) No. You have the Profile V. But still with the visor lock gadget?
Yep same visor lock, but it did ease up with a bit of use
Great review but I don't know why people compare adventure bikes with offroad vehicles and SUV's - I can't stand those types of vehicles and would only ever drive one if I lived/worked on a farm or in the middle of nowhere. On the other hand An Adventure bike is everything - It's fun and light feeling you can do wheelies and after owning 5 since 2008 feel that they were just a progression from the motocross bikes I grew up with.. Sorry, rant over cheers!
I really messed up.
Have had smaller displacement dual sports in the past like the WR250R and picked up a 2022 CRF300L Rally ABS a few months ago.
Splashed $1,800 on Rally Raid Level 2 suspension and uncorked it.
Now my wife wants to ride with me. The little bike doesn't have the muster to carry both of us on longer trips.
Really wish I had gotten the AT instead but was intimidated by the idea of a liter bike when I was looking.
I think I'm going to sell my Lexus and get an 1100 ATAS ES manual and keep the smaller bike for trail work.
Honestly didn't realize there was an affordable ADV touring bike and should have gotten the bigger Honda instead. Really seems perfect for two up adventures that we want to do.
Check out the 2022 model review - ua-cam.com/video/kTSMj_BX5ko/v-deo.html
Does the Africa twin come with cruise control?
Yes,!the adventure sport does, not sure about the standard model
Are you sure those weights you quoted were dry ones?
I really like this bike. Definitely the best-looking adventure bike. I had an RD-04 - the first of the AT 750s - for four years. I was living in Tokyo when I bought it and I shipped it back when I moved back to England. A superb bike if a bit slow.
I'd be very tempted by the base model with DCT if it had cross-spoke wheels, but there's no way I'm riding on inner-tubes.
pretty sure yes
I’m on the fence between BMW R1250GS/GSA and Africa twin Adventure sports. Can anyone suggest me which is better and why? My main usage of the bike would be for touring.
You can’t go wrong with either for touring. One thing that might swing it towards the Honda is the excellent DCT gearbox? It really does make long distance travelling more relaxing
@@mancavemoto thanks for letting me know your thoughts brother!
Good Review Tony , Are you planning on doing the Tiger 900?
Thanks, as soon as I get the chance yes!
Is the seat comfortable for long rides?
Yes I found it to be very good
Great review, thanks
Cheers
Is there a difference in equipment between the two colors?
There is a difference between the Adventure Sports and the 'standard' Africa Twin yes, but obviously not the different colourways for each respective model
Views from the Man Cave , I was told, I could not buy the 2020 Adventure Sports model in metallic black, is that true?
@@jblue1299 'Darkness Black Metallic' is one of the colour options for the Adventure Sports, so I don't see why not?
Views from the Man Cave , yeah , that was my understanding from seeing the description on the Internet, but had 2 dealers tell me yesterday, the black could not be bought as Adventure Sport, only standard; I think the dealers are jacking me around
JEB sounds like it, they’ve probably preordered all in white
Is there a bluetooth option for Andriod Auto users?
Not at the moment as far as im aware
Re hand guards, are they fully plastic or is there a metal frame?
They are fully plastic, double layered, but plastic
Great video .👍Have you compared Honda to KTM 890 adventure R, that would be good comparison.
I've ony ridden the 890 Adventure so far, but it would be an interesting comparsion. Quite different bikes though whne put side to side
@@mancavemoto
I'm thinking about same weight, price, HP, lots of electronics, what's the better bike for the $$$$$ 👍
tubeless wheels?
On the adventure sports yes
Hi i'm looking into buying this bike so i'm checking out all the AT reviews. something I hope someone could enlighten me with, has the LED display got a cover? I know there are some muppets out there that through mindless boredom would love to break the touch screen.
No cover on it, but its a very tough display. You can also buy screen protectors to apply, much as you would with a mobile phone.
@@mancavemoto many thanks for your reply. and as far as im aware DCT means you can change from a Manuel to an Automatic, am I right in thinking that. I ask because I cant ride a manuel bike
@@idrider4748 DCT refers to 'dual clutch transmission' so its an automatic bike with no clutch lever or foot gear shifter, but you can change gears manually via thumb controls on the handlebars
@@mancavemoto excellent thank you, now all I have to do is pass my bike test
Will be nice to see how these tft screens will last in different weather and temperatures conditions and how much service will charge to change them in cases of all bike manufacturers not only Honda, they are not doing tft themselves, obviously it’s made by others and something tell me it is crappy Asian electronics that won’t last especially on adventure bikes but let see😀
They should be pretty robust, but crappy Asian electronics? Japan, Taiwan and Korea have led the way in mass electronic development and manufacturing for years. There’s less tech inside the screens than there is in the average mobile phone I reckon. But having said that, only time will tell I guess.....
Nice review, Tony. Will you get the chance to try the DCT version?
Met an old lad called Mr Cotes, he went for a ride into Europe for a few weeks and came back 14 years later (very understanding wife) as he decided to go around the world. He was on his Honda Africa twin, he still has it and it has over 300,000 miles on it. It is the most reliable bike there is. I get into trouble for going for a spin on a Sunday morning.
Hopefully at some point
Sound very good for stock .
They’ve done a great job with that exhaust
Yeah but... how many times can you drop it until you can no longer recover financially?
Using a 2001 Suzuki DR650SE as a baseline...
Also, asking for a friend...
If you put crash bars on it, endlessly o guess? Or don’t drop it 😉😂
Good review...
Cheers
Did you ride the Tiger 900 ?
Not yet
Views from the Man Cave , I am trying to decide which one to buy, Tiger 900 or AT !?!
Only way to do it is to ride both and pick your favourite
Not having Android connectivity is a deal-breaker...
I wonder if its something they can add with a system upgrade?
Nice assessment,thks.
no problem, and thank you
Nice review, ta. T700 review please.
I know it will be better because it says Yamaha on the tank...😎
Been trying to get hold of one for ages!
This upgraded version of the bike quite good one and the exhaust sound nice
It sure does
I love the intro 🤣🤣🤣
Thanks. Manufacturers are selling a dream, i'm reporting the reality ;)
Thanks for the vid. 238kg a little too heavy for me in New Zealand . Nice bike I'm sure but the electronics leave me cold., seems like it's all you talk about. I just want a motorcycle . Start and ride. Looking at the Yamaha Tenere 700 now. No electronics , just like the old days please
no worries, and well there are a lot electronics to talk about. Nothing wrong with them of course, until they go wrong! lol Of course you can just jump on this start it up and ride. Thats what i ended up doing more than anything
Thanks very interesting review. If you can please do not only review the Tiger 900 Rally, please also review the Tiger 900 GT; thanks in advance; best regards from Montreal.
Thanks, yes I hope to ride both
I really cracked up at 18:00. lolll
Don’t laugh its a serious flaw with the bike ;) lol
Any one know is there any reliability issue with this bike because I want to take it to Pakistan
I've not heard of anything specific
Depends where you live
What does?
Beautiful bike just a lot of money I do like though 👍
Yep, but it’s a lot of bike too
It is not possible to simply own an Africa twin, one must become the Africa twin.
I don’t know why i keep looking at this bike I’m too damn short to ride it lol
have you considered platform shoes? ;) Try one with the seat in its lowest position, you might be suprised
Here's a 45 kg/160 cm girl enjoying this machine: ua-cam.com/video/mIpY1wewjWg/v-deo.html
If they add hydraulic clutch that would be perfect
That would be good, although I’d choose the DCT version.
@@mancavemoto having ridden the DCT I would go manual
Lucky you, your government allow their citizens to drive motorcycles on highways, we can't do that here in Indonesia
Really, I didn't realise that, is it due to the majority being small capacity?
@@mancavemoto yes that is one of the reason why our government did not allow motorcycles on highway, the other reason would be to many track star wannabes that would increase traffic accidents dramatically, if our government allow motorcycles on highway, its sad really...
That's a good video! I am also on the CRF1100L Africa Twin. Please watch the video if you like.
Thanks, I will do
300000kr in Denmark for top model
Lars Andersen wow, that’s expensive!
gryphongryph yes it is
They need to lower the prices of these
I would sell all my BSA's for this bike..
How many do you have? 🤔😉
3 650's that run lots of parts, my sons and in laws are working one a 650 we just welded the case
a 67 - 441 that we started playing with the d- greaser, I still have my 62 250 that still runs..she has wore a
dented up gas tank. My little brother would play hooky in JH school take her for a ride and wake up his
class mates during school hours. 1:00 pm..They knew the kids would tell on him.
@@keithsage7258 Nice!
No one reviwing 2up touring
Check out ‘The Missenden Flyer’ he does sometimes. I don’t have anyone to ride pillion with me
Get a Tenere, and buy gold or bicoin with the considerable cash difference. Honda and BMW are more,than happy to produce OTT leviathans for people with too much money, and people who sign away their wage for HP. Yamaha took the sensible route, and is arguably the more 'true' adventure bike without the non essential bells and whistles. I have an old BMW, but wouldn't buy a new one or an AT despite being in the fortunate position of being comfortably able to buy either.
Fair point, but define 'Adventure' it means different things to different people.