One suggestion, maybe blind performance test? The brain is powerful and going in knowing it’s a fake can alter results. You’d have to maybe hide the features with tape or something
Rick a video idea. Cut both in half to see the real difference. See what the fake is made of, see if it is carbon. A good band saw should go through them. There is a youtube channel where they just cut shoes in half, and it really interesting.
I don't know why anyone would buy a fake club? It's still £150 and clearly won't have the same performance. Just buy an old driver that's basically the same as the new drivers any way?
@@claytonmartens Agreed. That's why I feel like it's better to stick to some of more reputable retailers for used clubs rather than, say, the facebook market place.
@@lawbinson if Rick needs a set of scales I can lend him a set. He just needs to come and get them. Perhaps play a round of break 75 at my local club Shrivenham park. My treat Rick🤔
Great video! I agree with you about personal safety concerns, especially when traveling, getting robbed on vacation is painful enough, but getting robbed with an authentic bag is even worse. To me, it makes sense to travel with a fake kislux bag and not carry any valuables that you would miss. Also, if your bag gets damaged by dust, stains, accidents, whatever it is, it doesn't matter even if it's fake.
Okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
You put out some great and highly credible videos! I've seen some other folks do "fake" reviews, and I always have the same feeling - that I hate to give ANY kind of credibility to fake "copy" products. They are all made by thieves who make a living by deceiving golfers into buying their fraudulent products. I wish where ever you purchased this fake driver that they're taking steps to find and prosecute the criminals (if possible).
I was so close to buying an AliExpress fake Ping G340 MAX 10K just to try it because of the pricing, but you convinced me to keep my money and go for a genuine driver even if $$$. Better go for a fitting and see the best combination shaft/head for myself. Maybe my old TS2 just needs a better shaft, who knows...Thanks Rick!
I actually bought the TM Sim2 Max based on your video "The club Taylor Made doesn't want you to buy." I'm thoroughly pleased at the sound, performance, etc. Never have hit a Qi10 but my price of $278 was well worth it. Keep the great videos coming!
@@user-gk7zv8qz8i Did it? It apparently felt horrible and in performance it loses to everything any proper manufacturer puts out there. I don't think it really matters even if it costs 1 unit of any currency. It's bad and no one should use it. It's probably not even conforming. If you want a cheap club, buy used. Not this counterfeit garbage.
You stated the lofted looked too much form the off so why didn’t you crank it down and use the same shaft? It was always going to spin more if you could see the loft was more
Yes the color of the kislux is beautiful and it is a great decision, maybe one day they will add feet and straps. It would be nice to have a bigger bag during the colder months when we have to store gloves, beanies, scarves, etc…
how can you not do this review without putting in your premium shaft with the fake head? can u do a follow up with the fake head and premium shaft? and try to dial in the loft of the driver with the sleeve to optimize your ball flight cuz obviously this head is not 9 degrees. thanks mate!
I work in the golf industry so this, in my opinion, needs a bit of asterisk on it. Just had a guy come in with this exact fake club and he knew it was fake, he’s a 18 handicap and hasn’t been playing golf that long. He didn’t want to drop money on a new driver when, in his words “I’m not good enough to hit one of those”. The head weight is substantially heavier because it’s not meant for low handicaps and good golfers. On the flip side for low handicaps we were able to balance out the swing weight with lead tape and swap out the same shaft from current driver for a good player. All of that to say, this club is and can be worth it for high handicaps or beginners who don’t want to drop $500 on a driver
Thanks to this video, I learned something. I can't see the difference between the real thing and the fake one, so I just buy the fake one. But if you want to buy it in the future, it is better to invest in the real thing. But now I am still considering buying a fake one within the budget. I have been waiting for kislux for a long time.
Better off buying a new sim2 £ 250 or a M4 for less if you can get one . Those clubs are just as good and forgiving as the Q10 same high quality finish made to meet the same USGA standard and both have twist face. Do a real test of Taylor made q10 v stealth 2 v sim2 v M4 re release . While the tech and materials have change performance hasn’t as design , size , smash factor of 1.5 limit how far the ball can be hit. The Same swing speed same impact, trajectory and spin will result in the same distance it’s a simple formula and Taylor made has been at the limit of driver design over 10 years. They change the name colours and materials every year to drive the prices higher for those that want and can afford lastest greatest driver. Better still Rick put them up against your old favourite cobra F9 (the yellow one) you may be surprised at how well it still performs today. Oh and I am not anti TaylorMade more fanboy of the M4 release 10.5 regular cranked down to 9.5 it’s a weapon very long and straight.
Got a supposedly authentic Ping G430 driver off a reputable eBay seller with good feedback. Was supposedly a “JCB” version. Turned out to be fake and 2 weeks after I got it the sellers feedback was slammed with complaints of fake Ping drivers. The head was so heavy, they replaced the 25 gram back weight with a 6 gram plastic replica. Good thing is the head stayed together and the distance loss was about 10-15 yards after I replaced the fake shaft, which felt like rebar. Now it’s my caddies new driver.
I gotta fake autoflex and it's amazing. Bagged it with my Paradym instantly. Still in the bag, it's a monster. It's the best shaft I have and beats out my other 15 authentic shafts, it's not even close.
Good video. Maybe it is also worth comparing fake irons with genuine ones since irons don’t have much technology like drivers do, and replicas are much cheaper.
Address the Titleist video and fitting on why you praised the driver and then crapped all over it in the fitting. If you got a bag to say it’s good then no one will bat an eye but just admit it
I played on a fake golf course once. It was subtle, but the Par 2's and Par 6's were what initially aroused my suspicions. There were no flags on the greens, just a brick near the hole, with a helium-filled balloons tied on with a long string. The "bunkers" were just sandpaper stapled to some decking and the club "pro" had a shotgun and a cage full of ferrets strapped to his cart.....which suspiciously ran on pink diesel and had two HUGE wheels on the rear!!
I went to Gucci today and the salesperson told me that they often can't tell the difference between an authentic and a kislux bag. Surprised to hear that from the SA.
I was hardly expecting Rick to conclude the fake one was anywhere near as good as the OEM one seeing the manufacturers all send him clubs. I unintentionally bought a Taylor Made Superquad some years ago. Taylor made could not confirm the origin and the local retailer (big chain golf store) said it had to be fake because the label on the shaft looked suspicious. I was playing off 7 at the time, The issue is that the big brand manufacturers make horrendous mark ups and essentially rip the average golfer off big time.
Shout out to Xiao Ming and the team for upping their game. It would be great to see you play a full 18 on a course you've played previously with a full bag of fake clubs.
Not quite related, but I saw my first Qi10 in the wild at a clients house today. He was pumped to talk to me about it and even let me take some swings on his simulator. Didn’t get too much work done but worth it.
Rick I have friends with the TM Qi , very nice club. I play a Japanese PRGR RS Driver and it outperforms the TM in every scenario. Be interested in your opinion if you ever get your hands on a PRGR RS. Cheers Eddie
@@YourenotHavingmydetailsRick posted a video on here of a Titleist fitting. His true colours shone through and he was a complete arse. Got shed loads of flak in the comments and swiftly deleted the video
@@DanFury1 he was just moaning about it the whole time, generally quite rude to the fitter, constantly trying to hit a fade, mis-striking it constantly then moaning it didn’t feel good off the face. He just came across as rude, entitled and arrogant. If you watch some of his recent videos the comments are calling him out for his BS
@@hemley100 Rick was in a pissy mood. Kept trying to hit a cut even though his swing produces a draw. Guy wouldn't shut up from the peanut gallery about how fast the ball should be going off the face, which caused Rick to swing harder and get more annoyed with himself and the fitting. The fitter was a pro, stayed strong and tried everything.
Love the video, but I'd be curious to see how this "fake" driver compares to other budget driver options? Let's assume my budget was 150, am I better off with the fake Qi10, or some other budget driver? Yes, I realize buying knock offs has its own set of risks , there could be variances in quality from one to the next, but those risks aside, just a by the numbers comparison, it would be cool to see a head to head comparison between the fake Qi10 and other budget driver options... I'd watch that video!
what I'd be really interested to see is how a fake driver compares to an older driver that can be picked up for the same price. The main reason is that for a golfer that's just getting into the game or someone who is on an extreme budget, they might be more likely to unknowingly go for the fake because they aren't "good enough of a golfer" to see any difference. So a comparison between the fake Qi10 and a preowned Stealth 2, which can be had for the same price online.
Should have tried a pair of matching tour shafts with the fake head, the Chinese shaft and grip is a copy also and usually much more flexible than the specs suggested on the shaft. The grips are also much lighter and lower in rubber quality than the genuine item and these details would also make the club "pick up" a little heavier as you felt through testing. Also just putting each of the heads on a scale would have made analysis more thorough!
Hi Rick, I live in asia, alot of ppl cant afford em 5-600quid clubs but still want to play golf ... some ppl just want to look like they have a ferrari :D i think for that price, you can buy a huge range of different quality fakes. Some fake manufacturers make the mistake of making the driver 'excluding the shaft adjuster inside' totaling 200g when it should be included. So i think if you weigh yours ull find its roughly 18g heavier than the real one. This is the weight of the "O" end of the variable loft adjuster which is attached to the club head but 'not part of the club head'. With a standard TM shaft length 45.75", this would prolly affect the swing weight from a D4 'what its designed to be' to around D8 which is far too heavy for the average person. U can fix this by making the shaft shorter or add counterweight on the handler end :D
Would be interesting to see the swing weights matched up for the clubs, using a heavier shaft or weight in the grip to match the swing weights of the REal one. Great video by the way!
@@SeniorRonsonthe irons preformed amazingly but the heads dented in after 3 rounds. The face whatever it’s made of isn’t quality or to spec and they dented in.
Just watched your video on the new Kirkland driver and for a little extra money that driver out performed the fake one (in my mind) . Why buy fake when there are excellent clubs out there that are affordable. I don’t need to spend almost a thousand dollars Canadian just to impress my friends…I’m not that good a golfer to need it. A set of Kirklands will do me just fine, thankyou. But….if I was an above average golfer and could afford the big names then I have to confess I’d be playing those.
Hi rick, another great video. one thing i wish, which is a small nuance, is that you recognized #1 SS, but then #1 womens NK came after all the other men, and didnt mention that she is currently world number 1 for the ladies as well :(
Swing weight is off because to get similar exterior dimensions using cheaper materials adds weight. If you measured it out and did the math you probably could make a 44 or 43 in driver properly weighted with it. Which begs the question if you are limited material wise why not just create shorter drivers. Most people would do better not using the 45.75 Taylormade tries to push
Rick, try the good shaft out the genuine driver and see how it feels and performs. Shaft looks weak and you can actually see it on video. See if your shafts works with it?
I would think it takes hundreds if not thousands of swings for a good golfer to really adjust to a different club/shaft. Just thinking it feels heavier would most likely result in subconsciously doing something a little differently with their swing. It would be interesting to see a blind test. Call the real one the standard model, and the fake one the tour model, and I think many would choose the tour (fake).
It's the 2nd hand mkt that going to be the biggest issue. Pain in the arse, but keep your receipt if you upgrade your driver ever few years, or you're going to be having to sell it to compete against 2nd fakes
I'm torn on this topic. I think buying fakes is morally wrong from an artistic perspective, but at the same time, the sky-high prices are equally morally questionable. After much deliberation, I chose kislux to buy bags... Perhaps the best luxury goods are things that have nothing to do with money and material things.
Still so crazy that TaylorMade just retconned the Stealth 2 line because it sucked so bad. Glad the Qi line is better. Really wanted it to be pronounced "Chi"-ten (Cheatin) like it's a cheat code.
@@PaulHipToBeSquareAllen Glad it works for you! Didn't work for me or many others I know. It's the only driver I know of where the face has repeatedly popped out of the head. I still game a Ping G425.
The stealth and stealth 2 were basically the sim 2 with very minor changes and the carbon face. Same with the qi10…. They are all so slightly different.
I bought second hand p790 played them great when I tried to sell them found out they were fake definitely think if you knew the whole time your mind would always question it but I played those fake p790 pretty good got to a 8 handicap with them
I bought this club for $411 at golf galaxy used, did I get a good deal? Shaft is PERFECT for me, so idrc bc ik I will keep it if I ever get a new driver head/face so didn’t seem like too bad of an investment
I used my first winnings to buy a canvas LV and in less than two years the wallet was cracked/broken in multiple places and the store refused to repair or replace it. I don't know what kind of resale value such junk could have. I ended up donating it...well, maybe I might buy a fake LV from kislux but these designers/robber barons don't even think about taking another penny from me.
I had some Trident heads with Aldila shafts. They were callaway big Bertha copies. The shafts were far more important than the heads. I bet that's still the case with copies.
Hi Rick. Sounds like you need some help with the meaning of standard deviation. You know it is an indication of difference from the mean, but you are shortening the difference from reality. 2 s.d's either side of the mean gives the distances 95% of the balls positions. So a carry of 284 yds with an s.d. of 7 yds means 95% of the balls were within the range 270-298 yds (i.e. +/-14yds, not +/- 7 yds as you stated). Of course, big errors in that with a small number of balls. However, the smaller the s.d. the tighter the dispersion however it is calculated.
I’ve never seen Rick hit any driver or club the same direction consistently so I’m not sure how he could judge any club on the direction it goes😅 To me it seems if you practiced enough and got good with the cheap fake it would actually outperform the over priced QI10🤷♂️ I would also say avoid “fake” products to if I was being given the original products for free everytime they released a new one because let’s be real, it would harm the product review contract you have with them if you promoted an off brand of the same product💀
Interesting video and it's scary how many people could potentially get fooled buying second hand off of FB. Also, need to have a word on how to interpret standard deviation because you're not interpreting it correctly (good effort trying to use that though). Enjoyed the video!
Fake anything isn't worth it. I got in a Fake Taxi once and I could hardly walk for a week. Lesson learned the hard way!
LOL
Did you really 🙄
Poor guy 💀
Hahaha that's up there with one of the best comments
Spit take 😂
One suggestion, maybe blind performance test? The brain is powerful and going in knowing it’s a fake can alter results. You’d have to maybe hide the features with tape or something
Sure. A statment like "The brain powerful" Just proves your point so well.
Good point
@@Trainwheel_Time fair enough lol
Facts
But he won’t do that lol
Bet if he covered the clubs in tape or something
He would probably pick the fake
Or not know the difference
He’s in bed with the money lol
Rumour has it Rick prefers the fake QI10 driver over the real titleist ones
😂
They just feel better
I tested them both and hit balls into the woods equally successfully.
Four!!!
You are an honest golfer.
😂 that's funny
Great!!
Worth the money spent! 🤭🤣🤣
Rick a video idea. Cut both in half to see the real difference. See what the fake is made of, see if it is carbon. A good band saw should go through them. There is a youtube channel where they just cut shoes in half, and it really interesting.
Great idea!
Also wish he would have measured the static and swing weight of both clubs, instead of complaining that the fake club felt like it took more effort.
Rose anvil. Great channel.
I'll save you the trouble, it isn't carbon. Its low quality steel.
Been fake clubs around for over 40 years.
I don't know why anyone would buy a fake club? It's still £150 and clearly won't have the same performance. Just buy an old driver that's basically the same as the new drivers any way?
This is the way to go.
The only scary thing is there are likely loads of fake old models floating around that you need to watch out for.
sim 2 are about that price now
Cost of my ping g400 max,would I feel or see the difference in a £500+ new driver? I doubt it
@@claytonmartens Agreed. That's why I feel like it's better to stick to some of more reputable retailers for used clubs rather than, say, the facebook market place.
Rick, you say the heads feel heavy. Please take them off the shafts and weigh them both on a set of digital kitchen scales. That will confirm all.
You’re asking too much of Rick. This isn’t TXG/CC where they actually care 😂. Rick won’t even put any data on the screen on the HIT channel.
@@lawbinson if Rick needs a set of scales I can lend him a set. He just needs to come and get them. Perhaps play a round of break 75 at my local club Shrivenham park. My treat Rick🤔
Not really. It's not just about the weight of the head. It's also about the distribution of the weight inside the head.
Great video! I agree with you about personal safety concerns, especially when traveling, getting robbed on vacation is painful enough, but getting robbed with an authentic bag is even worse. To me, it makes sense to travel with a fake kislux bag and not carry any valuables that you would miss. Also, if your bag gets damaged by dust, stains, accidents, whatever it is, it doesn't matter even if it's fake.
Okay, I’ve always scratched my head about the obsession around the kislux book totes and their practicality, but this one is adorable!! Congratulations
You put out some great and highly credible videos! I've seen some other folks do "fake" reviews, and I always have the same feeling - that I hate to give ANY kind of credibility to fake "copy" products. They are all made by thieves who make a living by deceiving golfers into buying their fraudulent products. I wish where ever you purchased this fake driver that they're taking steps to find and prosecute the criminals (if possible).
Better than the titleist?
I wonder if those Titleist drivers Rick was being fit for were counterfeit. Would explain why he couldn’t hit one good shot.
😂
The variety of textures in the kislux pack is impressive. From smooth leather to textured suede, there's something for everyone.
I was so close to buying an AliExpress fake Ping G340 MAX 10K just to try it because of the pricing, but you convinced me to keep my money and go for a genuine driver even if $$$. Better go for a fitting and see the best combination shaft/head for myself. Maybe my old TS2 just needs a better shaft, who knows...Thanks Rick!
So fabulous! I hope you bought that little Dior bag. It is so cute. You are right. The kislux is handbag heaven.
I actually bought the TM Sim2 Max based on your video "The club Taylor Made doesn't want you to buy." I'm thoroughly pleased at the sound, performance, etc. Never have hit a Qi10 but my price of $278 was well worth it. Keep the great videos coming!
This proves that it really isn't that hard to make a decent driver and that we are genuinelly being ripped off by the big brands!
It's not hard to make a piece of metal on a stick hit the ball far, but that's not what you're paying big bucks for in a premium driver
What this proved is that the fake one performed terribly.
@@12OZK12it did decent for its price, though.
@@user-gk7zv8qz8i Did it? It apparently felt horrible and in performance it loses to everything any proper manufacturer puts out there. I don't think it really matters even if it costs 1 unit of any currency. It's bad and no one should use it. It's probably not even conforming.
If you want a cheap club, buy used. Not this counterfeit garbage.
You stated the lofted looked too much form the off so why didn’t you crank it down and use the same shaft? It was always going to spin more if you could see the loft was more
It would be interesting to try the OEM shaft in the fake and vice versa to see if it’s the shaft or the head or both.
Yeah, like to see a proper premium shaft in the fake head just to see how it performs. That shaft in the fake club would have been completely dirt
Really not a valid test if not using the same shaft in both driver heads. Rick should no better than that.
You gave it more of a chance than you did the Titleist GT drivers at the professional fitting!!!
Which is crazy the gt3 is money for me. Different strokes for Different folks
Titleist drivers r not good in my opinion Taylormade are better but that’s my opinion easier to hit
@damienmcnulty77 see I couldn't stand the qi10. Let alone that dull carbon face sound. Yuck lol
Yes the color of the kislux is beautiful and it is a great decision, maybe one day they will add feet and straps. It would be nice to have a bigger bag during the colder months when we have to store gloves, beanies, scarves, etc…
A classic Rick Shiela video, loving this new old style of content
VIDEO IDEA!!!!!!
Get a 15-20 handicap to compare the 2 drivers! Same video though good stuff!
I’d love to see (if possible) you play with the lofts to see if you can get anymore performance out of it
My mom bought one kislux and she loves it. It had been there for over 10 years when she went out with it.
how can you not do this review without putting in your premium shaft with the fake head? can u do a follow up with the fake head and premium shaft? and try to dial in the loft of the driver with the sleeve to optimize your ball flight cuz obviously this head is not 9 degrees. thanks mate!
Head to head off the shelf
Who the hell is going to put a premium shaft in a knock off? 🙄
@@seanpeacock5595 cuz you're testing the fake head performance
I work in the golf industry so this, in my opinion, needs a bit of asterisk on it. Just had a guy come in with this exact fake club and he knew it was fake, he’s a 18 handicap and hasn’t been playing golf that long. He didn’t want to drop money on a new driver when, in his words “I’m not good enough to hit one of those”. The head weight is substantially heavier because it’s not meant for low handicaps and good golfers. On the flip side for low handicaps we were able to balance out the swing weight with lead tape and swap out the same shaft from current driver for a good player.
All of that to say, this club is and can be worth it for high handicaps or beginners who don’t want to drop $500 on a driver
Thanks to this video, I learned something. I can't see the difference between the real thing and the fake one, so I just buy the fake one. But if you want to buy it in the future, it is better to invest in the real thing. But now I am still considering buying a fake one within the budget. I have been waiting for kislux for a long time.
Better off buying a new sim2 £ 250 or a M4 for less if you can get one . Those clubs are just as good and forgiving as the Q10 same high quality finish made to meet the same USGA standard and both have twist face. Do a real test of Taylor made q10 v stealth 2 v sim2 v M4 re release . While the tech and materials have change performance hasn’t as design , size , smash factor of 1.5 limit how far the ball can be hit. The Same swing speed same impact, trajectory and spin will result in the same distance it’s a simple formula and Taylor made has been at the limit of driver design over 10 years. They change the name colours and materials every year to drive the prices higher for those that want and can afford lastest greatest driver. Better still Rick put them up against your old favourite cobra F9 (the yellow one) you may be surprised at how well it still performs today. Oh and I am not anti TaylorMade more fanboy of the M4 release 10.5 regular cranked down to 9.5 it’s a weapon very long and straight.
Got a supposedly authentic Ping G430 driver off a reputable eBay seller with good feedback. Was supposedly a “JCB” version. Turned out to be fake and 2 weeks after I got it the sellers feedback was slammed with complaints of fake Ping drivers. The head was so heavy, they replaced the 25 gram back weight with a 6 gram plastic replica. Good thing is the head stayed together and the distance loss was about 10-15 yards after I replaced the fake shaft, which felt like rebar. Now it’s my caddies new driver.
HEY kislux I have been watching you for years and im so proud of where you have made it! I love you so much! Also thanks for making my day
Is it better than the Titleist GT 🤔
Ngl the titlest gt3 is money
In theory they could be getting better numbers out of the fake than the real one, as they don’t have to make the face conforming.
I remeber when you did this with the the M5 or M6 model, nice to see you doing it again, I enjoyed the last one.
I gotta fake autoflex and it's amazing. Bagged it with my Paradym instantly. Still in the bag, it's a monster. It's the best shaft I have and beats out my other 15 authentic shafts, it's not even close.
Good video. Maybe it is also worth comparing fake irons with genuine ones since irons don’t have much technology like drivers do, and replicas are much cheaper.
Address the Titleist video and fitting on why you praised the driver and then crapped all over it in the fitting. If you got a bag to say it’s good then no one will bat an eye but just admit it
There are probably a plethora of legal reasons why he can't do that.
I played on a fake golf course once. It was subtle, but the Par 2's and Par 6's were what initially aroused my suspicions. There were no flags on the greens, just a brick near the hole, with a helium-filled balloons tied on with a long string. The "bunkers" were just sandpaper stapled to some decking and the club "pro" had a shotgun and a cage full of ferrets strapped to his cart.....which suspiciously ran on pink diesel and had two HUGE wheels on the rear!!
Did you weigh the heads?
I went to Gucci today and the salesperson told me that they often can't tell the difference between an authentic and a kislux bag. Surprised to hear that from the SA.
I was hardly expecting Rick to conclude the fake one was anywhere near as good as the OEM one seeing the manufacturers all send him clubs. I unintentionally bought a Taylor Made Superquad some years ago. Taylor made could not confirm the origin and the local retailer (big chain golf store) said it had to be fake because the label on the shaft looked suspicious. I was playing off 7 at the time, The issue is that the big brand manufacturers make horrendous mark ups and essentially rip the average golfer off big time.
Shout out to Xiao Ming and the team for upping their game.
It would be great to see you play a full 18 on a course you've played previously with a full bag of fake clubs.
Not quite related, but I saw my first Qi10 in the wild at a clients house today. He was pumped to talk to me about it and even let me take some swings on his simulator. Didn’t get too much work done but worth it.
Rick I have friends with the TM Qi , very nice club. I play a Japanese PRGR RS Driver and it outperforms the TM in every scenario. Be interested in your opinion if you ever get your hands on a PRGR RS.
Cheers
Eddie
I liked how you gave your impressions without the numbers in front of you. Feels more genuine.
kislux I love you so much and watching your videos makes my day brighter
Still waiting for the titleist explanation
Newbie to golf; what do you mean?
@@Quandtimus go outside
@@YourenotHavingmydetailsRick posted a video on here of a Titleist fitting. His true colours shone through and he was a complete arse. Got shed loads of flak in the comments and swiftly deleted the video
@@TomCollettoh really? An arse in what way? To the person doing the fitting or something?
@@DanFury1 he was just moaning about it the whole time, generally quite rude to the fitter, constantly trying to hit a fade, mis-striking it constantly then moaning it didn’t feel good off the face. He just came across as rude, entitled and arrogant. If you watch some of his recent videos the comments are calling him out for his BS
Your behavior at the titleist fitting is not going to just blow over. Nobody has forgotten, and you owe an explanation to your audience…
I still didn't see this f****** video, what happened ?!
@@hemley100 Me neither, is it on the channel??😮
@@ryanalley2446deleted apparently. I didn't watch it because I'm sick of him having fittings. Ping are the OG when it comes to fitting.
@@Daniel189HLL Except their putter fittings...
@@hemley100 Rick was in a pissy mood. Kept trying to hit a cut even though his swing produces a draw. Guy wouldn't shut up from the peanut gallery about how fast the ball should be going off the face, which caused Rick to swing harder and get more annoyed with himself and the fitting. The fitter was a pro, stayed strong and tried everything.
Im a budget golfer and i like seeing video's like this to know if i can get a good deal or not
A Good deal would be getting a used M1. Buying anything fake is just stupid and shows how materialistic people can be.
Buy pre owned real clubs. If you like a specific shaft, buy just the head.
Id try the Kirkland signature if i were you, not fake, cheap, good quality, not much worse than the big guys
It's called FRAUD and you'd be contributing to people that are criminals
To save you watching any more of these ,FAKE IS NEVER GOOD
Just a thought, if you think it’s 11 degrees of loft, would that be the reason it went 20 yards shorter?
Right. Just lower the loft 2 degrees and should solve some spin issues.
I like the kislux . I find these bags to be very durable and Iâve bought several for under $300.
Love the video, but I'd be curious to see how this "fake" driver compares to other budget driver options? Let's assume my budget was 150, am I better off with the fake Qi10, or some other budget driver?
Yes, I realize buying knock offs has its own set of risks , there could be variances in quality from one to the next, but those risks aside, just a by the numbers comparison, it would be cool to see a head to head comparison between the fake Qi10 and other budget driver options... I'd watch that video!
what I'd be really interested to see is how a fake driver compares to an older driver that can be picked up for the same price. The main reason is that for a golfer that's just getting into the game or someone who is on an extreme budget, they might be more likely to unknowingly go for the fake because they aren't "good enough of a golfer" to see any difference. So a comparison between the fake Qi10 and a preowned Stealth 2, which can be had for the same price online.
Should have tried a pair of matching tour shafts with the fake head, the Chinese shaft and grip is a copy also and usually much more flexible than the specs suggested on the shaft. The grips are also much lighter and lower in rubber quality than the genuine item and these details would also make the club "pick up" a little heavier as you felt through testing. Also just putting each of the heads on a scale would have made analysis more thorough!
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Hi Rick,
I live in asia, alot of ppl cant afford em 5-600quid clubs but still want to play golf ... some ppl just want to look like they have a ferrari :D
i think for that price, you can buy a huge range of different quality fakes. Some fake manufacturers make the mistake of making the driver 'excluding the shaft adjuster inside' totaling 200g when it should be included.
So i think if you weigh yours ull find its roughly 18g heavier than the real one. This is the weight of the "O" end of the variable loft adjuster which is attached to the club head but 'not part of the club head'.
With a standard TM shaft length 45.75", this would prolly affect the swing weight from a D4 'what its designed to be' to around D8 which is far too heavy for the average person.
U can fix this by making the shaft shorter or add counterweight on the handler end :D
Would be interesting to see the swing weights matched up for the clubs, using a heavier shaft or weight in the grip to match the swing weights of the REal one.
Great video by the way!
You should keep doing this real vs fake series
That could be the name of the channel after the Titleist video! Like a before and after comparison!
I'd love to see real vs fake tm irons
@@SeniorRonsonthe irons preformed amazingly but the heads dented in after 3 rounds. The face whatever it’s made of isn’t quality or to spec and they dented in.
Just watched your video on the new Kirkland driver and for a little extra money that driver out performed the fake one (in my mind) . Why buy fake when there are excellent clubs out there that are affordable. I don’t need to spend almost a thousand dollars Canadian just to impress my friends…I’m not that good a golfer to need it. A set of Kirklands will do me just fine, thankyou. But….if I was an above average golfer and could afford the big names then I have to confess I’d be playing those.
Hi rick, another great video. one thing i wish, which is a small nuance, is that you recognized #1 SS, but then #1 womens NK came after all the other men, and didnt mention that she is currently world number 1 for the ladies as well :(
Swing weight is off because to get similar exterior dimensions using cheaper materials adds weight. If you measured it out and did the math you probably could make a 44 or 43 in driver properly weighted with it.
Which begs the question if you are limited material wise why not just create shorter drivers. Most people would do better not using the 45.75 Taylormade tries to push
We need a video with a Fake Rick😅 Great video.
No need he's already fake
Rick, try the good shaft out the genuine driver and see how it feels and performs. Shaft looks weak and you can actually see it on video. See if your shafts works with it?
I would think it takes hundreds if not thousands of swings for a good golfer to really adjust to a different club/shaft. Just thinking it feels heavier would most likely result in subconsciously doing something a little differently with their swing. It would be interesting to see a blind test. Call the real one the standard model, and the fake one the tour model, and I think many would choose the tour (fake).
Is there a difference in weight between the two heads? I’m not sure I heard if you said that or not.
Great video! Something to watch while waiting for this hurricane to hit Louisiana.
It's the 2nd hand mkt that going to be the biggest issue. Pain in the arse, but keep your receipt if you upgrade your driver ever few years, or you're going to be having to sell it to compete against 2nd fakes
Would love to see some more reviews of PXG clubs!
Seems like a sound test of the carbon is the easiest way to spot a fake as a newbee (carbon should sound muted- not tang like metal)
I'm torn on this topic. I think buying fakes is morally wrong from an artistic perspective, but at the same time, the sky-high prices are equally morally questionable. After much deliberation, I chose kislux to buy bags... Perhaps the best luxury goods are things that have nothing to do with money and material things.
First time kislux kuch different colors ka LV bag dekha..very elegant....good choice
Honest a review wouldn’t go a miss
That DHGATE sells Scotty's as well. That would be a really intriguing test as well.
What is your average distance of carry between the Qi10 and your previous driver you’ve been using ?
I would be really interested to know how it compares to other cheap drivers e.g. some of the things you get out of the package sheets
This is an awesome content video. Prish yate you Rick, be blessed brother.
Still so crazy that TaylorMade just retconned the Stealth 2 line because it sucked so bad. Glad the Qi line is better. Really wanted it to be pronounced "Chi"-ten (Cheatin) like it's a cheat code.
Stealth 2, sucks??? You must suck at golf because that Driver is an absolute rocket machine.
@@PaulHipToBeSquareAllen Glad it works for you! Didn't work for me or many others I know. It's the only driver I know of where the face has repeatedly popped out of the head. I still game a Ping G425.
@@PaulHipToBeSquareAllen until it cracks after a few rounds.
It was the stealth 1 that was a disaster
The stealth and stealth 2 were basically the sim 2 with very minor changes and the carbon face. Same with the qi10…. They are all so slightly different.
I bought second hand p790 played them great when I tried to sell them found out they were fake definitely think if you knew the whole time your mind would always question it but I played those fake p790 pretty good got to a 8 handicap with them
I bought this club for $411 at golf galaxy used, did I get a good deal? Shaft is PERFECT for me, so idrc bc ik I will keep it if I ever get a new driver head/face so didn’t seem like too bad of an investment
When are you doing the pxg gen 7 irons?
Just bought a set, would love to know what you think of them.
Great video Rick,yeah I seen these on u know where,the price screams clone. On ebay just the heads are $359 each, did u see the fake 790s?
Hey Rick idk if I’ve ever seen you use a LAB putter before would really like to see how you do and maybe even try it during one of your break 75s
most of us can do with used drivers, I picked up a great 9 deg cobra used for fraction of new and serves me well.
Curious to know. How would it perform using the shaft that’s in the genuine driver? Does it even fit? Is the shaft in the fake driver the real thing.
The push fades are due to you adjusting to the increased swing weight , that's a feeling thing
Big fan of the channel rick please test a Bently BD1 driver and do a full rick shiels review
I would have been curious about the club's specs. What was the actual loft? Swing weight? Static weight?
It would nice to know if you test both of the heads with the same shaft.
I used my first winnings to buy a canvas LV and in less than two years the wallet was cracked/broken in multiple places and the store refused to repair or replace it. I don't know what kind of resale value such junk could have. I ended up donating it...well, maybe I might buy a fake LV from kislux but these designers/robber barons don't even think about taking another penny from me.
I had some Trident heads with Aldila shafts. They were callaway big Bertha copies. The shafts were far more important than the heads. I bet that's still the case with copies.
What was the weight difference between the heads?
Hi Rick. Sounds like you need some help with the meaning of standard deviation. You know it is an indication of difference from the mean, but you are shortening the difference from reality. 2 s.d's either side of the mean gives the distances 95% of the balls positions. So a carry of 284 yds with an s.d. of 7 yds means 95% of the balls were within the range 270-298 yds (i.e. +/-14yds, not +/- 7 yds as you stated). Of course, big errors in that with a small number of balls. However, the smaller the s.d. the tighter the dispersion however it is calculated.
Haha he preferred that to the titelist GT
what is the ideal loft angle for maximum distance for every club?
I’ve never seen Rick hit any driver or club the same direction consistently so I’m not sure how he could judge any club on the direction it goes😅
To me it seems if you practiced enough and got good with the cheap fake it would actually outperform the over priced QI10🤷♂️
I would also say avoid “fake” products to if I was being given the original products for free everytime they released a new one because let’s be real, it would harm the product review contract you have with them if you promoted an off brand of the same product💀
Interesting video and it's scary how many people could potentially get fooled buying second hand off of FB.
Also, need to have a word on how to interpret standard deviation because you're not interpreting it correctly (good effort trying to use that though).
Enjoyed the video!
Was the club head heavy Rick? You didn’t mention
😂
Love these. Wish you do them blind and see if you can tell that way. Have someone else put the same shaft in but you not know which is which.
I would be interested to see how that shaft performs in real club and if you adjusted the loft on the fake if the numbers would be better.
i saw websites that kislux that carry lv and chanel new collection! like exact blue print and looks like high quality too.