Humanity has been overworked and underpaid forever and still there were plenty of babies to be had. No, this is something else. Koreans and many others in the same situation have lost their way and their senses.
1 side you have this while other side with large populated nations of USA, China, India, etc, huge population faces challenges with underemployment and unemployment. Mass Automation knocked that out where Automation began 1000s of Years Ago including Waterwheel Technology of 2000 Years back.
South Korean Population Even if goes down by Half its Population by Turn of the Century will Still Have Higher Original Population than Many of the European Nations, Canada, Australia, etc that are Getting Replaced by Asians because the Original European Population has been Lower than Asian Population where Original Europeans are becoming Minority thanks to Ageing and Lower Births too (Suicidal Rates are Highest in Larger Populated Nations)
Don't get me wrong, I admire the development path Korea has had but at the same time I think it's important to consider what price you're willing to pay for never'ending growth. Where this extremely materialistic way of thinking can lead can be seen in sometime decadent and dehumanized societies like in the US. In my observation, the Scandinavian countries are the most successful in establishing the important life balance. It is society and its norms that shape us and our way of thinking. Very rigid and traditional ways of thinking leave very little room for different personalities. Many brake in the process. Japan has similar problems. We will (fortunately ) never become machines but depression is the reaction to a non-humane way of life. Something that still makes me incredibly angry and sad was the Sewol tragedy and the way it was dealt with afterwards. It is an example that can be used to study the entire problem in order to look for solutions. I would be very happy if the Korean state and especially the people were able to build a more loving society for themselves. The sweet Korean children will come on their own. P.S. I felt a strong need to add this few thoughts to my previous comment.
@@quasimodo8215 Yes, but even Nordic Nations tried what USA, Australia, Canada, NZ have - Getting Immigrants where Didn't Work A Lot. Most European Nations, USA, Canada, Australia Had Lower Original European Population Even Before Ageing, Less Births Began. WORLD ECONOMY is Headed for USA vs Asia where Original European Population are becoming MINORITY in Most European Nations, NZ, Australia, Canada, USA, etc by 2050 or So Slowly Replaced by Asians
Economic growth should not come at the sacrifice of allowing excessive immigration and changing the face and culture of the nation. South Korea should not follow the path of the US or Europe. Limited immigration and maximum assimilation come before the economy.
1 side you have this while other side with large populated nations of USA, China, India, etc, huge population faces challenges with underemployment and unemployment. Mass Automation knocked that out where Automation began 1000s of Years Ago including Waterwheel Technology of 2000 Years back. South Korea's Population Even if Halved Will Still Be in Better Situation than Many European Nations, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc where the Original European Majority will become Original European Minority thanks to Ageing, Less Births where These Nations Already Had Lower Population than South Korea when South Korea decided to halve its population
@@rmot2911 so those countries should find ways of adding productivity to the planet through innovation. That is not going to be a reason to prevent advanced nations to continue to enhance their own nations.
The North needs to take steps to reunify with the South - just like the former East Germany did in 1990. Then social assistance and innovation will be a breeze.
@@s.m.1354 Immigration is a solution though let's look at what is happening in European nations, Canada, USA, etc. Most don't want that too. Anyway, South Korean Population Even if Halved by Turn of Century will Still Have More South Koreans while in Many European Nations, Australia, Canada, NZ, the Original European Population will Become Minority by 2050 or so due to Ageing, Less Births Too (Original Europeans are going down by births and ways getting replaced by Asians + others)
We could have easily devised a system to make our lives better in every regard with all this technological progress to benefit from, but people's unchecked greed destroyed everything.
@@24killsequalMOAB like we just need to abolish the minimum wage, ablolish unions, and make 120 work week standart then we can rise the fertility surely.
@@franzsigel7166 none of those things address the fundamental problem in modern products. Planned Obsolescence is a feature in a society that promotes corporate bailouts which are not capitalist. Also, endless regulations and taxation has disincentived people from being smart investors and forced them to invest into real estate.
@@FactsCountdown their children will remember their parents, their grandparents etc A society needs children to continue the human species and to take care of the elderly population , elderly population needs care like children too
@@abhisheksing8379 everyone knows that , you can't have a functioning society with just elderly people though 😔 The future generations are the ones who will be building and maintaining the society in the future, afterall we can't have a society where everyone lives in isolation
Hahahahaha, exactly...almost like ONLY thinking about the market, your salary and serving the company until the day you die does not pay off...unbeliveable they are coming to terms with this just now (if they even are).
Tell me how exactly a population that is declining severely negates the fact that exponential growth is or isn't sustainable? How did you tie these two concepts?
Reduce all housing prices by 50%. Ban foreign ownership, Ban Commercial ownership, Ban people owning more than say 2 total homes. Offer heavily subsidized childcare across entire country.
@@CordeliaWagner1999it is an option indeed, however in the context of government and country in long term strategy it is something they have to be worried about constantly. In Ukraine for example we had an extremely low birth rate in the period of 1991-1997 and In addition to war, high migration before war and during it created huge disbalance when one working person has to support 3 pensioners. That generates a lot of pressure on youth, especially when u are not even sure about ur pension
The government should have legally binding contracts with parents to guarantee fully state-sponsored childbirth, healthcare, education and housing until the child is 20 years old. Governments should not be cheapskates. You want babies, you pay for all the costs!!
@@CordeliaWagner1999 What are you on about raising a child in germany is expensive and no the goverment does not pay for that. You could be happy if you even get a place in a KITA. Not even to talk about that houses a freaking expensive.
@@UserUser45654Israel also subsidises its religious orthodox section of society. No compulsory military service and a government stipend to study at a religious school. The birthrate among this group is about 5 babies per woman compared to 1.5 for the rest of the country.
Not only the government but also their own people are to blame. They hate each other, look at how competitive they are against each other in a wrong way causing each other to go suicide.
I don’t know if this really applies to Korea because single mothers are considered a pariah in their society. So people there are looking for the best situations for children.
I'm amazed at how little tact the presenter showed when he asked Mr. Jeonming such a personal question! Someone who does this job professionally should have the ability to address this topic in a different, more respectful way without becoming personal. I didn't expect something like that from DW!
Yeah, felt the same way, that's her business! Like it's not enough with her family (probably) telling her she should get a partner and kids soon, now she has to take the awkward question from a motherf-cker from the other side of the world on live?
I completely agree. When we interview candidates for positions at our company we are forbidden from asking personal questions like their plans for a family.
Conformity, Bullying, Competitive Tests in school, and a strict "Top-Down" hierarchy in their culture. (Which favors the older people, instead of young parents.) Plus: A lot of these guys are hesitant to have children if there's no daycare provided. And the fact that South Korean women feel like their concerns aren't taken seriously. Especially with medical issues and bad relationships.
Causes of low birth rate in South Korea. 1. Addictions of social media/It/AI 2. Bullying cultures 3. Super competitive cultures 4. High cost of living 5. Greedy cultures 6. High suicide rate 7. High Depression 8. Toxic working environment 9. Hateful cultures 10. Selfish culture
The news anchor overstepped by asking the lady such a personal question off the bat. Rude. SK has more than enough resource to subsidize child care/ aupairs, maternity medical & mental health care I'd think. Wish he'd asked if they have policies in place for that.
Somewhere a random interviewer even said they are depressed cause they can’t afford to buy a Gucci or Dior bag so they can’t even think of raising kids at the moment lol. They are very materialistic, seems like only showing off is their everyday lifestyle.
Yea and average American makes 45K a year and popping out babies left and right living in foodstamps wasting tax money and single mom is rising. Great job.
Korean politicians always say that low birth rate is a grave crisis, but they never try to resolve it and have no idea what the trigger is. In addition, only thing they can do is attributing those issues to young generation. God help us...
The trigger is (mainly) that people found better modes of entertainment. Watching UA-cam videos, watching series, films, playing video games, fb, instagram, etc. Ban the internet and people (in your country and elsewhere) will make 5 children each. 😁
The Korean problem is not the quality of life in numbers, but the qualitative cost you have to pay to get that quality of life. The society is so hierarchical and competitive, leading to an enormous amount of stress, which young people do not want to inherit to their children. In a way, a tragedy of compressed high growth.
If you think this is a unique issue for south korea you are naive, birth rates have been collapsing in every country , the difference is in countries like south korea and japan where there is almost no immigration , the effects are more pronounced.
@@qawsedrftgyhujikolp1919it’s is because even if Japans birthrate is twice as high as Koreas it’s still terminal. Japan is still a rapidly aging and shrinking population, just not as rapidly as Korea.
@@hhwin2198 do you have Google on your phone?? Search the birth rate of india, it's 2.0 now, which is perfect for a stable society. And in past, India's birth rate was high but not now. Have a good day
Very unprofessional for the interviewer to ask the guest about her own family plans. This surprised me, I wouldn’t have expected a DW presenter to do that.
Ridiculous and telling that DW isn’t reporting on its own even worse demographics. 50 years from now ethnic Koreans will still be the majority in their own country. That might not be the case in Germany. The birth rate is also extremely low in Germany and even that is bolstered by births to non-German mothers.
Every young people in Western societies are crushed under housing expenses. Unless higher taxes for capital gains on investment properties are passed in many countries. Housing will continue to be an issue to keep young people's economic stability.
No the real problem is when North Korea decides to start a war and the South Korean military is half the size because parents stopped having kids. Even if South Korea wins the casualties will be concentrated among the 20-30 year old men, exactly the group you will need to make a new generation, making a terrible problem worse. Korea would need to allow immigration or do what Paraguay did after its war against Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay and allow polygamy.
Such questions are seen inappropriate in Asia, not in Europe. And she fared pretty well with her answer. I assume they discussed before, if she would mind answering to this.
@@firetruckenthusiast8596 I said it could be appropriate. That's for the interviewee to define. If she considers it is not, she can politely decline to answer. Still...it is an intercultural dialogue. Therefore, it is relative. In some countries asking the age of a woman is terribly offensive. In others, it is not.
As societies become industrialized and women become educated and have careers, they are also less willing to be kept barefoot and pregnant. This phenomenon is not limited to South Korea.
If people don't want to raise a family in their country, what does it say about that country? Korea is not the only Western consumer culture country with this problem
People take pride in different things these days. We are at a strange crossroads, where its hard to do hard things, when the culture of love, support and loyalty of marriage or relationships seems to be at an alltime low, If you think abiout it, what keeps people fighting the good fight, is knowing in their hearts, they are loved and supported. If that basic foundation isnt there, there isnt much motivation to put up with all the chaos of parenthood.
Thank you South Korea for spearheading a beautiful and existentially important global trend - let’s reduce population numbers and give our survival and nature a chance 🙏🏾♥️
South Korea birth rate 2016-1.17 2017-1.05 2018- .98 2019- .92 2020- .84 2021- .81 2022- .78 2023- .72 South Korea will be a 0 birth rate in 2035 or sooner.
To make sure their kids turn into competitive adults, they have to spend more on good education, which makes the cost of having children even higher. In a work enviroment where you dont have security, kids become a risky investment. Having laws stablishing some limits and obligations on a work relationship isnt a commy thing. Minimum wages, maximum working hours per day, paid leave, etc, etc, etc.
The sad thing is that if it weren't for the fact that they border a literal "1984"-style despotic hellhole, South Korea would rightfully be called out as a hyper-corporatist, psuedo-cyberpunk hellhole.
More than just economics, are social norms and foundations being altered by current "progressive" social engeneering and lack of competitivity for men. Times have changed insanely different, Young girls today (speceally in 1st world countries) only want to party and have fun bashing good honest traditional guys retaining only the beneficial part of the "equality" they preach. Then when time pasess it's too late for them, noticing how resentful these men turned by it they blame it on "machismo and misogeny". Left leaning failed states experiment the opposite which is overpopulation, babies are doom to suffering and died sooner or later. A stable society has enough room for them, which is the diference.
People need to see this collectively instead of individually, yes Old folks gonna have pension and savings but when the whole nation barely have any Working age population who gonna pay that pension? Who gonna take care of them? This put too much heavy burden on working age people in the future and the nation as a whole resulting in inevitable crises or revolt
@@pearlyungold people don't need much money. I think an 80 year old granny will wish for a child to take care of her or even talk to her more than a million dollar.
We are looking at 4 degrees temperature rise by 2100 and old people still can't figure out why we don't want to make a bunch of children that will suffer in horrible conditions and probably end in war and extinction. 😂
Weird is N.Korea, they don't even have enough food to feed the children but they don't have such crisis. People still get married and have kids. The more prosperity a country gets, the more people will only think about themselves only. Why would I sacrifice my career, my future, my money for kids? People in poor countries "i would sacrifice myself, my future, my life for my kids"
That’s cause they don’t have family planning and most have no future as they live under a brutal dictatorship. NK is also much more forceful with its patriarchal beliefs.
Overwork, underpaid, no time to own self, competitive culture, judgemental society. Loosen up and chill out slightly in everything, and they will be a lot better as a whole.
Everyone is saying immigrations, why does any society want to see their women exploited by migrations? The solution might be to support working married couple with some benefits, give women the option to stay at home and be the educators of their children or extend school hours where children get free day care in the mornings and then evenings so parents can work. Don't pump in immigrants or encourage single parent families.
Government subsidies are not enough, and they don't like you to work full time..sometimes Im thinking to give up government subsidies and work full time and send my children's to my country..I can save more than living here in korea..all freaking expensive.!!
Na, it's more about the hard conditions to get a living wage and a place to live pared with the responsibility shown by educated people who won't get into that rollcoaster without enough income How are they suppose to establish a family, if they work from 9 to 9 6 days per week and don't even have enough money to pay rent?
It's the same thing in Finland even though the work life balance is said to be good and maternity leaves etc. benefits are pretty good. I for one have never wanted to be a parent. For one, the hassle of rising children is huge. I don't want to get stuck in that, having no time for myself. Secondly, I don't think it's morally right to bring a sentient being into this existence, meaning the way our life mostly consist of either getting ready and educated to work or the work itself. Most of your good years are spent running around in the hamster wheel, not even really living a life. Also the whole existence in a broader sense doesn't make any sense. All the pain, worry, sadness, loosing people and diseases. Sure there are nice moments and if you're a really positive person, you might be able to scrape this thing to net positive experience, but for most people, I don't think that's the case. Many people get children with a bit similar way as they would get a pet. They want to have children for their own reasons, not thinking for one moment what's it going to be like for the kid. Then they even go about calling the people whom don't have children as selfish, like "at least we're bringing in more tax payers" and things like that. Yes exactly, like kids are for your personal entertainment and slaves. Then many people have kids because "it's expected of them" and "that's how things have always been done" etc.
You are completely normal. I think that parents who give birth are very selfish, irresponsible, and like psychopaths who do not consider the child's perspective at all.
First you say raising a child is difficult... paying everything, taking care when it becomes sick, educating is a lot of work. And then you say having a child is selfish. How can it be selfish when you look at all the words I wrote on top? Having a child is a lot of work but it involves a lot of love as well. I don't consider myself selfish for having my kids. And it was the best decision I made. I might have given up a few things but I don't mind at all. And giving up a few things, changing lifestyle... since when is this considered as selfish?
@@curtiberg It all compounds to the forming a reasoning not to have kids. Yes, there's probably love in there, but it's selfish still. You're bringing a child into a crappy reality without it's consent. Now your children have the only choice of having to survive. Did you think even for a second what the life is going to be for the child and is it actually worth putting a sentient being through that? I highly doubt it.
cause government has less modern slaves to tax their money. South Korea has 51mil population, my country only has 1.3 mil which is 1% what they have so i always find it funny how they make it seem like all these huge population places will die out quick just cause of decrease of birth rate. Actual small populated countries will die out first not huge ones
I understand it's expensive but if poor countries can do it so can they. Korean men need to get a stronger sense of financial independence, the meaning of family and creating offspring and leaving and cleaving as the Bible says. It is not good for a man to be alone!! SPREAD THIS
@@lornam1142population decline is one thing, people not reproducing is another. For every child born in SK, there are 3.75 people entering retirement age
some countries give huge tax breaks for parents with children instead of giving tax break to corporations. the more kids you have, the bigger the tax break, some government pays families with stay home grandparents to reduce costs related to caring for young kids like daycare, travel, etc. some makes it mandatory for companies of certain staff size to provide for day care within the building. there are many ways to ease the burden of parents. it all depends on society and politician priorities
@@patrickgz No one (normal) wants to have kids just for tax breaks. Those tax breaks just make life easier for the people who have already chosen to become parents, they don't encourage people who already hate their lives to add another major hassle.
@@niclas9990No one(normal) wants to work, we work because of 'the carrot' hanging in front of us. National policies should be formulated based on national interest. Of course the option to do nothing about it is still there.
Just put all the blame on the untouchable Chaebol class of South Korea. The chaebol's unparalelled power and influence into every facet of Korean society is a significant contributor to the nation's major ills.
K-netz stop harrassing idols and celebrities if they're dating. *Edit: Male idols and celebrities are also afraid of dating women in Korea not just because dating is a scandal but most of all afraid of being a victim of sex scandal.
Korean's have a good Passport. If they need a change in environment to encourage their birth rate. Then consider learning English or French and immigrate to Canada. It is spacious and very accommodating. It is also close to "Greenland" where immigrants could also consider traveling to if they feel they live in an overcrowded region.
I heard about this recently. My question is....in 20yrs...if there are no young males....how would the military exist? Its always with enlisted men joining or forced at 18.
Cultural norm. Like there's so many pretty korean models artists girl groups but they don't try to engage in relationship because fans doesn't allow it and it means career downfall.
Overworked + underpaid = no babies.
But pro st tion is exploding.
Simple math
Humanity has been overworked and underpaid forever and still there were plenty of babies to be had. No, this is something else. Koreans and many others in the same situation have lost their way and their senses.
Same in the western countries too
@u.2b215 time to change that we're taking back the power
The wolves are upset that the sheep aren't reproducing!
Exactly
You very right sir! This proving why the China will be defeated by Bharat in future because we have many more babies than they! Jai Hind!
Who's the wolf? Germany or Men?
@@patrickstar686 corporations
@@patrickstar686if you want to know who rules... see who u cant be critic about. This was all planned
Best indicator that's something wrong in the society. South Korea has also very high suicidal rate, something that makes you think of...
1 side you have this while other side with large populated nations of USA, China, India, etc, huge population faces challenges with underemployment and unemployment. Mass Automation knocked that out where Automation began 1000s of Years Ago including Waterwheel Technology of 2000 Years back.
South Korean Population Even if goes down by Half its Population by Turn of the Century will Still Have Higher Original Population than Many of the European Nations, Canada, Australia, etc that are Getting Replaced by Asians because the Original European Population has been Lower than Asian Population where Original Europeans are becoming Minority thanks to Ageing and Lower Births too (Suicidal Rates are Highest in Larger Populated Nations)
Don't get me wrong, I admire the development path Korea has had but at the same time I think it's important to consider what price you're willing to pay for never'ending growth.
Where this extremely materialistic way of thinking can lead can be seen in sometime decadent and dehumanized societies like in the US.
In my observation, the Scandinavian countries are the most successful in establishing the important life balance.
It is society and its norms that shape us and our way of thinking. Very rigid and traditional ways of thinking leave very little room for different personalities. Many brake in the process.
Japan has similar problems. We will (fortunately ) never become machines but depression is the reaction to a non-humane way of life. Something that still makes me incredibly angry and sad was the Sewol tragedy and the way it was dealt with afterwards.
It is an example that can be used to study the entire problem in order to look for solutions.
I would be very happy if the Korean state and especially the people were able to build a more loving society for themselves.
The sweet Korean children will come on their own.
P.S. I felt a strong need to add this few thoughts to my previous comment.
@@quasimodo8215 Yes, but even Nordic Nations tried what USA, Australia, Canada, NZ have - Getting Immigrants where Didn't Work A Lot. Most European Nations, USA, Canada, Australia Had Lower Original European Population Even Before Ageing, Less Births Began. WORLD ECONOMY is Headed for USA vs Asia where Original European Population are becoming MINORITY in Most European Nations, NZ, Australia, Canada, USA, etc by 2050 or So Slowly Replaced by Asians
Economic growth should not come at the sacrifice of allowing excessive immigration and changing the face and culture of the nation. South Korea should not follow the path of the US or Europe. Limited immigration and maximum assimilation come before the economy.
People who have children nowadays are either doing very good financially or are completely delusional.
Or both.
my brother would be living on streets with his kid if my parents didnt help him financially.
Long working hours. South Korea Needs to invest more in people and less in innovation.
It's the corporations and the wealthy having precedence over the average citizen that they expect to be good little worker bees.
1 side you have this while other side with large populated nations of USA, China, India, etc, huge population faces challenges with underemployment and unemployment. Mass Automation knocked that out where Automation began 1000s of Years Ago including Waterwheel Technology of 2000 Years back. South Korea's Population Even if Halved Will Still Be in Better Situation than Many European Nations, Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc where the Original European Majority will become Original European Minority thanks to Ageing, Less Births where These Nations Already Had Lower Population than South Korea when South Korea decided to halve its population
@@rmot2911 so those countries should find ways of adding productivity to the planet through innovation. That is not going to be a reason to prevent advanced nations to continue to enhance their own nations.
The North needs to take steps to reunify with the South - just like the former East Germany did in 1990. Then social assistance and innovation will be a breeze.
@@s.m.1354 Immigration is a solution though let's look at what is happening in European nations, Canada, USA, etc. Most don't want that too. Anyway, South Korean Population Even if Halved by Turn of Century will Still Have More South Koreans while in Many European Nations, Australia, Canada, NZ, the Original European Population will Become Minority by 2050 or so due to Ageing, Less Births Too (Original Europeans are going down by births and ways getting replaced by Asians + others)
We could have easily devised a system to make our lives better in every regard with all this technological progress to benefit from, but people's unchecked greed destroyed everything.
Correct.
100 percent…
100% right.
Yup
Hypercapitalism
Not enough Capitalism
@@24killsequalMOAB To kill the population?
@@24killsequalMOAB like we just need to abolish the minimum wage, ablolish unions, and make 120 work week standart then we can rise the fertility surely.
@@franzsigel7166 none of those things address the fundamental problem in modern products. Planned Obsolescence is a feature in a society that promotes corporate bailouts which are not capitalist. Also, endless regulations and taxation has disincentived people from being smart investors and forced them to invest into real estate.
Human beings are not machine to work for the rich and breed workers for the rich.
Yes, but humanity needs children to continue their legacy
@@johnnybrave7443 nobody in history is remembered because of their children. What legacy? Legacy of wage slavery
@@FactsCountdown their children will remember their parents, their grandparents etc
A society needs children to continue the human species and to take care of the elderly population , elderly population needs care like children too
@@johnnybrave7443 Children are not commodities or products to use.
@@abhisheksing8379 everyone knows that , you can't have a functioning society with just elderly people though 😔
The future generations are the ones who will be building and maintaining the society in the future, afterall we can't have a society where everyone lives in isolation
Young women look at their mothers and grandmothers and decide that they don't want this Lifestyle.
All over the World.
You nailed it, we gave women a choice and they destroyed the world.
FOOLS
Yes, we gave women a choice and they destroyed our society.
Smart ladies.
Except middle east and africa. You gotta wonder why.
Just me, or it was quite weird and a bit invasive to go straight to her personal situation and plans during the interview?
Right?! So much for professional journalism 🙄
I swear they always manage to find the worst interviews when it comes to news about the East
Yeah, it was weird for me too. Such a lack of tact
Yeah, it was weird for me too! Such a lack of tact
It was weird, but she raised some great points in her response.
South korea fertility dropped from 6 children per Women in 70s to 0.9 😱😱
its almost 0.6-0.7 now..
6,0 is in 1955
0,68 in 2024
Capitalism happened. Over exploitation in the name of greed.
We're all on the same trendline my friend just at slightly different rates, no country has yet been able to reverse this trend
Nigeria / Egypt / Mali / Pakistan
Chad / Kenya ......etc etc...
But yes , we know what you mean....
Who wants to bring a soul to this world? ❤️
os paulistas
Low birth rates are all the developed counties issue. Not just South Korea that follows the trend faster than other counterparts.
Wrong, south Korea’s birthrate is now 0.6. That is way below all developed countries combined.
almost like exponential growth is unsustainable.
Hahahahaha, exactly...almost like ONLY thinking about the market, your salary and serving the company until the day you die does not pay off...unbeliveable they are coming to terms with this just now (if they even are).
Correct.
@@Flickvids100doing everything possible not to admit it. I mean, when your cultural identity is “not-communist” lol
Tell me how exactly a population that is declining severely negates the fact that exponential growth is or isn't sustainable? How did you tie these two concepts?
@@yairsegal2427because the top 10% controls more than 50% of the wealth.
Depressed society
Modern society
Reduce all housing prices by 50%. Ban foreign ownership, Ban Commercial ownership, Ban people owning more than say 2 total homes. Offer heavily subsidized childcare across entire country.
@@endeend1Many of what you said has been implemented in North Korea since many decades ago and look at how they are living right now.
What if women just don't want to be mothers?
@@CordeliaWagner1999it is an option indeed, however in the context of government and country in long term strategy it is something they have to be worried about constantly.
In Ukraine for example we had an extremely low birth rate in the period of 1991-1997 and In addition to war, high migration before war and during it created huge disbalance when one working person has to support 3 pensioners. That generates a lot of pressure on youth, especially when u are not even sure about ur pension
The government should have legally binding contracts with parents to guarantee fully state-sponsored childbirth, healthcare, education and housing until the child is 20 years old. Governments should not be cheapskates. You want babies, you pay for all the costs!!
Germany has that.
German women just don't want to be mothers...
@@CordeliaWagner1999 What are you on about raising a child in germany is expensive and no the goverment does not pay for that. You could be happy if you even get a place in a KITA. Not even to talk about that houses a freaking expensive.
@@CordeliaWagner1999 childbirth in Germany is free, thats all. After giving birth there is no more support
WHere will governments find the money? 🤔
I wouldn’t want to raise my child in the South Korean society either.
Not just SK. By 2030 1/3 of all Japan will be 65 or older. Taiwan is in trouble too. Italy and Spain. Germany. All low birth rates. It's everywhere.
Not Israel, it helps when you are getting subsidies from multiple countries, including Germany!
My country india entered the chat 😎
@@UserUser45654Israel also subsidises its religious orthodox section of society. No compulsory military service and a government stipend to study at a religious school. The birthrate among this group is about 5 babies per woman compared to 1.5 for the rest of the country.
She said it best when she talked about that highly competitive Korean society.
Korean government did this to their own people. Everything is expensive. Other countries also following this trend
Not only the government but also their own people are to blame. They hate each other, look at how competitive they are against each other in a wrong way causing each other to go suicide.
The most responsible people have the fewest children. The most irresponsible people….
Exactly...
Facts...
Indian slums have more children than rich and middle class people.
Korea is finished
YUP
I don’t know if this really applies to Korea because single mothers are considered a pariah in their society. So people there are looking for the best situations for children.
It is not the pigs who are worried about their numbers lowering, it's the farmers and feed sellers who worry.
I'm amazed at how little tact the presenter showed when he asked Mr. Jeonming such a personal question!
Someone who does this job professionally should have the ability to address this topic in a different, more respectful way without becoming personal.
I didn't expect something like that from DW!
Yeah, felt the same way, that's her business! Like it's not enough with her family (probably) telling her she should get a partner and kids soon, now she has to take the awkward question from a motherf-cker from the other side of the world on live?
I agree. However, the guest handled it perfectly, with class.
I was surprised as well. Possibly they had discussed this beforehand? I hope so!
I completely agree. When we interview candidates for positions at our company we are forbidden from asking personal questions like their plans for a family.
They probably discussed beforehand.
Conformity, Bullying, Competitive Tests in school, and a strict "Top-Down" hierarchy in their culture.
(Which favors the older people, instead of young parents.)
Plus: A lot of these guys are hesitant to have children if there's no daycare provided.
And the fact that South Korean women feel like their concerns aren't taken seriously. Especially with medical issues and bad relationships.
And from what I've gathered, South Korean men really hate domestic work and duties.
Causes of low birth rate in South Korea.
1. Addictions of social media/It/AI
2. Bullying cultures
3. Super competitive cultures
4. High cost of living
5. Greedy cultures
6. High suicide rate
7. High Depression
8. Toxic working environment
9. Hateful cultures
10. Selfish culture
As a Korean guy, you are right bro!
The news anchor overstepped by asking the lady such a personal question off the bat. Rude. SK has more than enough resource to subsidize child care/ aupairs, maternity medical & mental health care I'd think. Wish he'd asked if they have policies in place for that.
Commonly in eastern Asia for the high pressure cultural systems...Sigh...
It is mostly Korea and China. Japan Vietnam etc have significantly higher birth rates.
@@asdasdasddgdgdfgdg Singapore, Hong Kong, Taiwan (you forgot these)
A society that affords to buy luxery items, cosmetic surgery etc but can't afford to save and have children. Great job.
Somewhere a random interviewer even said they are depressed cause they can’t afford to buy a Gucci or Dior bag so they can’t even think of raising kids at the moment lol. They are very materialistic, seems like only showing off is their everyday lifestyle.
They save for what they WANT! Not what the government wants. 😕. Seems beautiful to me!
Yea and average American makes 45K a year and popping out babies left and right living in foodstamps wasting tax money and single mom is rising. Great job.
It can. It just doesn't want to😁
Korean politicians always say that low birth rate is a grave crisis, but they never try to resolve it and have no idea what the trigger is. In addition, only thing they can do is attributing those issues to young generation. God help us...
The trigger is (mainly) that people found better modes of entertainment. Watching UA-cam videos, watching series, films, playing video games, fb, instagram, etc. Ban the internet and people (in your country and elsewhere) will make 5 children each. 😁
Super unnecessary for the male anchor to ask the female reporter such a personal question 🤦♂️
Felt same
Why did you bring gender into it? FemceI
My thoughts exactly. Or hecould have asked it a more subtle way
Introducing a four day work week will help with increasing fertility. Would the government and corpos be willing to take this step?
true, there are many ways to help increase birth rate. it all boils down to if politicians and society are willing
No, it would slow down the process of wealth concentration. They need to have their trillions even if they have no idea what to do with all of it.
The Korean problem is not the quality of life in numbers, but the qualitative cost you have to pay to get that quality of life. The society is so hierarchical and competitive, leading to an enormous amount of stress, which young people do not want to inherit to their children. In a way, a tragedy of compressed high growth.
As a Korean, I totally agree with your idea
If you think this is a unique issue for south korea you are naive, birth rates have been collapsing in every country , the difference is in countries like south korea and japan where there is almost no immigration , the effects are more pronounced.
India and Nigeria have population boom.
Japan's birth rate is twice that of South Korea. Not suitable for comparison.
@@qawsedrftgyhujikolp1919 I know this is a little hard for you, google japan birth rate chart and tell me if the line has been going up or down lol
@@qawsedrftgyhujikolp1919it’s is because even if Japans birthrate is twice as high as Koreas it’s still terminal. Japan is still a rapidly aging and shrinking population, just not as rapidly as Korea.
@@hhwin2198 do you have Google on your phone??
Search the birth rate of india, it's 2.0 now, which is perfect for a stable society.
And in past, India's birth rate was high but not now.
Have a good day
Ppl are too judgmental.
Very unprofessional for the interviewer to ask the guest about her own family plans. This surprised me, I wouldn’t have expected a DW presenter to do that.
Tv is scripted, she knew the question was coming and agreed to answer it.
Ridiculous and telling that DW isn’t reporting on its own even worse demographics. 50 years from now ethnic Koreans will still be the majority in their own country. That might not be the case in Germany. The birth rate is also extremely low in Germany and even that is bolstered by births to non-German mothers.
At this point it’s impossible for Korea to pull out of that nosedive. They’re too far gone.
I doubt it’s impossible. They’ve already taken a good step with the more left-wing party overwhelmingly controlling the Legislature.
일단 여가와 평생교육의 의미가 개인에 정착이되고 이걸 기업 학교 정부가 지원하는게 맞아요.
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A super nation. When only the best and richest are having kids, you can imagine what kind of society it will be.
Spoiled and entitled? That sort of eugenics has never worked in any nation at any time.
Every young people in Western societies are crushed under housing expenses. Unless higher taxes for capital gains on investment properties are passed in many countries. Housing will continue to be an issue to keep young people's economic stability.
How on earth will taxing the poor make housing cheaper??
The real problem will appear when there are less people to pay taxes and the state needs money...
No the real problem is when North Korea decides to start a war and the South Korean military is half the size because parents stopped having kids. Even if South Korea wins the casualties will be concentrated among the 20-30 year old men, exactly the group you will need to make a new generation, making a terrible problem worse. Korea would need to allow immigration or do what Paraguay did after its war against Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay and allow polygamy.
House to expensive for new family . Old rich people have 4 home As an investment. Increase house prices
What an inappropriate question from reporter
Yes..that's the first thing that came to my mind as well
Maybe it would have been appropriate by the end of the interview as a very quick closing statement, but at the beginning, definitely a poor choice.
Such questions are seen inappropriate in Asia, not in Europe. And she fared pretty well with her answer. I assume they discussed before, if she would mind answering to this.
@@Flickvids100 it’s none of his business to ask even then
@@firetruckenthusiast8596 I said it could be appropriate. That's for the interviewee to define. If she considers it is not, she can politely decline to answer. Still...it is an intercultural dialogue. Therefore, it is relative. In some countries asking the age of a woman is terribly offensive. In others, it is not.
Crazy that mostly men discuss this topic.
Feels like women just don't care ...
This is condition of almost all developed countries. Education, health should be completely free in every country.
in the future how many kids you have represents how wealthy you are
Or how religious you are. O r how ideological you are. 😁
As societies become industrialized and women become educated and have careers, they are also less willing to be kept barefoot and pregnant. This phenomenon is not limited to South Korea.
If people don't want to raise a family in their country, what does it say about that country? Korea is not the only Western consumer culture country with this problem
Wrong. People want to raise kids in America
The expectation of kdrama is influencing the people choosiness 😂
People take pride in different things these days. We are at a strange crossroads, where its hard to do hard things, when the culture of love, support and loyalty of marriage or relationships seems to be at an alltime low, If you think abiout it, what keeps people fighting the good fight, is knowing in their hearts, they are loved and supported. If that basic foundation isnt there, there isnt much motivation to put up with all the chaos of parenthood.
Thank you South Korea for spearheading a beautiful and existentially important global trend - let’s reduce population numbers and give our survival and nature a chance 🙏🏾♥️
Sub-Saharan Africa is still exploding
Exactly what I wanted to say! Thank you @lissik.1481
South Korea birth rate
2016-1.17
2017-1.05
2018- .98
2019- .92
2020- .84
2021- .81
2022- .78
2023- .72
South Korea will be a 0 birth rate in 2035 or sooner.
To make sure their kids turn into competitive adults, they have to spend more on good education, which makes the cost of having children even higher. In a work enviroment where you dont have security, kids become a risky investment. Having laws stablishing some limits and obligations on a work relationship isnt a commy thing. Minimum wages, maximum working hours per day, paid leave, etc, etc, etc.
The sad thing is that if it weren't for the fact that they border a literal "1984"-style despotic hellhole, South Korea would rightfully be called out as a hyper-corporatist, psuedo-cyberpunk hellhole.
This is the future for all capitalist countries…
More than just economics, are social norms and foundations being altered by current "progressive" social engeneering and lack of competitivity for men. Times have changed insanely different, Young girls today (speceally in 1st world countries) only want to party and have fun bashing good honest traditional guys retaining only the beneficial part of the "equality" they preach. Then when time pasess it's too late for them, noticing how resentful these men turned by it they blame it on "machismo and misogeny". Left leaning failed states experiment the opposite which is overpopulation, babies are doom to suffering and died sooner or later. A stable society has enough room for them, which is the diference.
Economic prosperity are seen as a good outcome, but not on every aspect, mainly not in social ones as seen here
its a constant phenomena in all 'developed' country
More like depressed wages and crippling debt.
When you steal people will to live and force them to be slaves of billionaires for whole lifetime they wouldn't like to pass this stress to next.
I wish i could see the chaos of aging societies when the majority of their population is single old folks.😂
Just like at Columbia, UCLA and everywhere in between.
So what
These single people are financially prepared for old age.
People need to see this collectively instead of individually, yes Old folks gonna have pension and savings but when the whole nation barely have any Working age population who gonna pay that pension? Who gonna take care of them? This put too much heavy burden on working age people in the future and the nation as a whole resulting in inevitable crises or revolt
@@pearlyungold people don't need much money. I think an 80 year old granny will wish for a child to take care of her or even talk to her more than a million dollar.
It is better for current 30+ to arrange and invest for time after their retirement than to be ready for being burden on future youngsters.
No modern woman wants that lifestyle nowadays. It's not just in South Korea, it's everywhere.
But koreans took it to next level in korea
We are looking at 4 degrees temperature rise by 2100 and old people still can't figure out why we don't want to make a bunch of children that will suffer in horrible conditions and probably end in war and extinction. 😂
No south Korea problem is they have Extreme sociality
Yes old boomer still living in fool's paradise totally ignorant of future chaos.
Sums it up.
Climate Change is not among the top reasons for East Asian infertility
While in the middle east they have 5 kids each😂
Same like Italy - low birth rate
South korea is far worse.
Weird is N.Korea, they don't even have enough food to feed the children but they don't have such crisis. People still get married and have kids. The more prosperity a country gets, the more people will only think about themselves only. Why would I sacrifice my career, my future, my money for kids? People in poor countries "i would sacrifice myself, my future, my life for my kids"
No in poor countries women have no career they are mercy of their partner.
Rich countries women got freedom and choice❤
@@dudutrutru7548 Exactly.
*Why would I sacrifice my career, my future, and my money for the government
I fixed it for you.
That’s cause they don’t have family planning and most have no future as they live under a brutal dictatorship. NK is also much more forceful with its patriarchal beliefs.
Can't I use the Galaxy anymore?
Overwork, underpaid, no time to own self, competitive culture, judgemental society.
Loosen up and chill out slightly in everything, and they will be a lot better as a whole.
It's not because of money, housing, benefits, and all of that. It's simply because this world sux, so why bring children to this earth to suffer?
Everyone is saying immigrations, why does any society want to see their women exploited by migrations? The solution might be to support working married couple with some benefits, give women the option to stay at home and be the educators of their children or extend school hours where children get free day care in the mornings and then evenings so parents can work. Don't pump in immigrants or encourage single parent families.
"EXPLOITED"
Bro's gf was taken away by a wealthy immigrant😂
Government subsidies are not enough, and they don't like you to work full time..sometimes Im thinking to give up government subsidies and work full time and send my children's to my country..I can save more than living here in korea..all freaking expensive.!!
South Koreans discovered there's a lot more to life than having kids
Yeah like working long hours just to buy your boss a new yacht
Na, it's more about the hard conditions to get a living wage and a place to live pared with the responsibility shown by educated people who won't get into that rollcoaster without enough income
How are they suppose to establish a family, if they work from 9 to 9 6 days per week and don't even have enough money to pay rent?
It's not by choice for many.@@possiblycurryddork
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Working?
Ask the wealthiest 10% of S. Korea and every other country, how many children do they have? Let's do that on television, please 🙏🏽
Too much overworking, when you come back home you are exhausted and without free time.
I dont want Korean bbq to die out. Plz.
😂👌
It's the same thing in Finland even though the work life balance is said to be good and maternity leaves etc. benefits are pretty good. I for one have never wanted to be a parent. For one, the hassle of rising children is huge. I don't want to get stuck in that, having no time for myself.
Secondly, I don't think it's morally right to bring a sentient being into this existence, meaning the way our life mostly consist of either getting ready and educated to work or the work itself. Most of your good years are spent running around in the hamster wheel, not even really living a life. Also the whole existence in a broader sense doesn't make any sense. All the pain, worry, sadness, loosing people and diseases.
Sure there are nice moments and if you're a really positive person, you might be able to scrape this thing to net positive experience, but for most people, I don't think that's the case.
Many people get children with a bit similar way as they would get a pet. They want to have children for their own reasons, not thinking for one moment what's it going to be like for the kid. Then they even go about calling the people whom don't have children as selfish, like "at least we're bringing in more tax payers" and things like that. Yes exactly, like kids are for your personal entertainment and slaves.
Then many people have kids because "it's expected of them" and "that's how things have always been done" etc.
You are completely normal. I think that parents who give birth are very selfish, irresponsible, and like psychopaths who do not consider the child's perspective at all.
Friendly reminder that you were also born by your Parents
In the end of the day it's their choice and not yours. Your openion should be respected as much as the others.
First you say raising a child is difficult... paying everything, taking care when it becomes sick, educating is a lot of work.
And then you say having a child is selfish. How can it be selfish when you look at all the words I wrote on top? Having a child is a lot of work but it involves a lot of love as well. I don't consider myself selfish for having my kids. And it was the best decision I made. I might have given up a few things but I don't mind at all. And giving up a few things, changing lifestyle... since when is this considered as selfish?
@@curtiberg It all compounds to the forming a reasoning not to have kids. Yes, there's probably love in there, but it's selfish still. You're bringing a child into a crappy reality without it's consent. Now your children have the only choice of having to survive.
Did you think even for a second what the life is going to be for the child and is it actually worth putting a sentient being through that? I highly doubt it.
Why media is taking it negatively when population decline..
cause government has less modern slaves to tax their money. South Korea has 51mil population, my country only has 1.3 mil which is 1% what they have so i always find it funny how they make it seem like all these huge population places will die out quick just cause of decrease of birth rate. Actual small populated countries will die out first not huge ones
Because it can be detrimental for any individual country.
No work life balance and appalling gender pay gap and gender discrimination in work and family life. Wow so surprising.
실질적 인구밀도 세계1위 국가
Nothing will change until everyone feels the suffering.
Even with shorter working hours, people want to enjoy their new found freedom.
People in our time wouldn't make children even if not working at all.
00:03 that's going to be a f__king ministry...😂
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Why would you reproduce to a child in such a high stress and competitive environment? Like the child is going to complain and not enjoy their life.
I understand it's expensive but if poor countries can do it so can they. Korean men need to get a stronger sense of financial independence, the meaning of family and creating offspring and leaving and cleaving as the Bible says. It is not good for a man to be alone!! SPREAD THIS
The World have confuse progress with childlessness. That's a very tough issue.
No nation has ever turned this around
Plenty of nations and groups have bounced back from population decline.
@@lornam1142population decline is one thing, people not reproducing is another. For every child born in SK, there are 3.75 people entering retirement age
@@jiggy7108 I agree that’s bad. They need to fix it.
I mean, the reason is obvious and simple.
It sucks to live here.
And I'm not a saddhist.
South Koreans work 3 out of 2 days
It's 4B MOVEMENT
East Asian countries should embrace immigrants from other Asian counties just like Biden said it was the immigration that makes the USA great.
But not only Asia. Africa too. Or is this immigration reserved only for countries with white ex-majorities?
what another ministry going to do
Research a robotic solution maybe 🤷🏻♂️
some countries give huge tax breaks for parents with children instead of giving tax break to corporations. the more kids you have, the bigger the tax break, some government pays families with stay home grandparents to reduce costs related to caring for young kids like daycare, travel, etc. some makes it mandatory for companies of certain staff size to provide for day care within the building. there are many ways to ease the burden of parents. it all depends on society and politician priorities
@@patrickgz No one (normal) wants to have kids just for tax breaks. Those tax breaks just make life easier for the people who have already chosen to become parents, they don't encourage people who already hate their lives to add another major hassle.
@@niclas9990No one(normal) wants to work, we work because of 'the carrot' hanging in front of us. National policies should be formulated based on national interest. Of course the option to do nothing about it is still there.
stop making excuses and have a baby when youre 28 years old, full stop, no excuses
Young generation do not do marry due to no money ,no job this unmarried ratio is increasing every countries
Traditional human relationship just got broken when a young female gets tons of DMs from desperate “potential sex offenders”.
Just put all the blame on the untouchable Chaebol class of South Korea. The chaebol's unparalelled power and influence into every facet of Korean society is a significant contributor to the nation's major ills.
South Korean people's normal life is similar with the SQUID GAME.
Did SK surpass Japan?
in what aspect? low birth rate certainly did.. japan is also low but korea is at another level..
SK's birth rates have been the lowest for some time now and they're by far the lowest
K-netz stop harrassing idols and celebrities if they're dating.
*Edit: Male idols and celebrities are also afraid of dating women in Korea not just because dating is a scandal but most of all afraid of being a victim of sex scandal.
Please pray for us 🙏 we're going down.. 😢 ㅠ
Korean's have a good Passport. If they need a change in environment to encourage their birth rate. Then consider learning English or French and immigrate to Canada. It is spacious and very accommodating. It is also close to "Greenland" where immigrants could also consider traveling to if they feel they live in an overcrowded region.
Birds dont lay eggs without a home
I heard about this recently. My question is....in 20yrs...if there are no young males....how would the military exist? Its always with enlisted men joining or forced at 18.
Time for women to step up and join.
The military crisis will start in 2035 actually. I've done the math. In other words SK can fight a war for at most 10 more years. Its now or never.
Cultural norm. Like there's so many pretty korean models artists girl groups but they don't try to engage in relationship because fans doesn't allow it and it means career downfall.