@@moselaw2 it's a false dichotomy. Tea is not better than coffee. But if you want tea and it's not available, saying "What's wrong with coffee" is missing the point.
Blame the industry, it is very hard to sustain yourself as a musician without touring, record sales don't pay the bills. Look to the underground for the music you're missing, stop paying attention to the charts.
I agree with the underground part, even if it's local. There's this Indianapolis hardcore punk band called Pat and the Pissers that tours the Midwest. I saw them on my vacation in Milwaukee, even though they don't have a Wikipedia page, they put on a fantastic show and it gives me hope. Search out music scenes and artists you may enjoy in cities and areas in your region, whether in America or elsewhere in the world, and support them!
@@llamasarus1 Just seems to me the venues are drying up. Can't run a small or even mid-sized live music venue any more. But I don't blame corporate music, that's always been there. Corporations will sell whatever people will buy. If people want to buy 30 seconds of pablum on Spotify, that's what they'll get.
Rick Beato is old and just complains about music he doesn't "get' anymore. This looks at problems in the music industry instead of appearing out of touch with today's music scene.
Your comparison to Led Zeppelin made me smile. I agree with you as a musician/composer, record collector and documentarian. Modern day conditions are bizarre. While the financial stuff is not always a band's fault, the song does not remain the same. Music Sells...but who's buying? Your delivery and presentation is superb!
That's interesting that modern artists produce less music. Maybe its because they don't make the bulk of their money from record sales like classic artists did, instead it's from live performances, which explains why tickets are so expensive. It used to be that touring drove record sales, but today when artists are "brands" the records are just marketing for the live show.
Thank you. Great analysis. I would only add that when I purchased The Doors albums, I was shocked at how few songs were on an album back then. Unfortunately, CDs forced musicians to write more songs. In addition, the death of the music store has contributed to the decline of music. It was a place where you could feel and hear what was going on in the music world. Thanks again for your video.
I blame all the tv-shows : xxx got talent , Idol , The voice , and so on. They get lyrics written , music composed , clothes designed , dance coreographed , singing coached , hair styled , appearance maked-up , interview answers taught and photo poses learned. It’s completely sterile and soulless. Do you think anyone will buy records from today in 50 years , like we do with Beatles , Bowie , Stones , Sabbath , Zeppelin and Hendrix ? No , they’ll by the same records as us.
people may very well buy music from today in 50 years, but almost none of it will be what makes it to major venues, radio, big playlists or movie soundtracks today. i"d be surprised if Bowie or Sabbath have any major following then.
@@raggeragnar I think we shouldn't compare the people in these TV shows with real musicians. Maybe the musicians and bands with self-written and self-played music are sometimes hard to find, but they are there. Sometimes without albums but with appearances on festivals or in small venues. I remember a concert of Kings of Leon in Cologne when they were playing in front of less than 1000 people. 20 years ago but it's happening all around the world every day.
@@georgeickhoff3646 : THANK YOU !!!!! I’ve been saying the same for years. My take on it is that the record companies goes only after short time money. Hence the crap I described above. Too bad people fall for it. They’re missing out on great music. Live well buddy.
My take....in the 50s-90s....there were a lot more musical trends and also many more smaller places and spaces for newer bands to perfect their craft...Has music changed much since the early 00s? In my lifetime I've seen Punks, mods, ska, new romantics, Goths, hair metal, indie kids, techno-heads, emos, Acid Teds, Junglists, Hip hop heads, casuals, soul boys and Hippies, and that's just off the top of my head...Have there been that many trends in the last 10/15 years?
Great Vid! I love how you’ve speculated on album frequency here. Really like the CPI comparison over time too. I’ve often wondered if on some macro level, the nature of contracts with record labels plays a role as well? just in terms of inaction between releases). With production being accessible to the masses through the rise of home production studios (not saying they’re all good), plus the disruption of music distribution via steaming services, self promotion through social media platforms such as UA-cam, it seems that there are more and more examples of the middleman being cut out of the equation. I’m not saying that I have the answers. I’m only speculating as well, but with no pressure from Sony or EMI, I wonder if the artist has more freedom to explore creativity on their own terms, and therefore not be constrained by the timelines of fulfilling a contract with a large label. I don’t know, but it’s nice to meet a fellow music philosopher out there. Great job man!!
I found my favorite rock band 4 years ago when I was 55. It would be cool if they released albums more often, but I'm happy with the quality and replayability. (it's Band-Maid -- don't let the outfits or the fact that they're young women from Japan fool you, they rock!)
Fantastic breakdown of the current state of music on all levels. It’s a sad state of affairs. Record companies no longer take chances on unique artists and instead sign whatever sounds fashionable. You have to dig deep these days to find something special. It’s few and far between. It’s the dark ages.
Bands in the 60s and 70s had managers who pushed the bands to make more music. Record companies that insisted on a release date even if there wasn't anything in the can yet. So that pushed bands to get going which lead to some great stuff but also burned them out. So if new bands take their time, it's to prevent burn out. But then it also leads to laziness perhaps. And of course today they have all kinds of non-music projects to do and social media to maintain. Concert ticket prices are why I don't go anymore, along with artists I like are either dead or way past their prime. Not to mention they don't really play "live" anymore. I loved albums but haven't heard many post grunge that could hold my attention like the classics could.
Bands definitely got pushed too hard back then. (Cheap Trick's "Stop this Game" has them singing about being too stretched barely before their career started.) I think the one album per 1.75 to 2.0 years is an ideal ratio. I rarely go to concerts anymore -- though did see PJ Harvey last night for $30 (!) and will see Iron Maiden of all bands next week for the same. (Bad seats for both, alas.) So I have that going for me. Anyway, thank you for the comments!
I'm in my late 60s. I have many friends in their 20s or 30s who are very knowledgeable about the popular music of the last 100 years, but I've noticed that very few of them have a sense of history about particular artists--how their work evolved over time. They won't be able to tell you whether "Norwegian Wood" came before or after "Come Together." One of many results of the album no longer being the standard form of music consumption.
@@Hydrocorax I was not around in 1965 for its release but worked backward to learn that distinction. To me, chronology and timing is everything. I certainly don't mean to rail on younger fans. Many know more than me. I just think the conditions are somewhat lessened for bands (rock bands in particular). Thanks for watching.
I understand you point about not having the sense of how artists evolved, but I think most people who are reasonably interested in music and are fans of the beatles no come together came after norweigan wood. Or maybe i'm just a beatles nerd.
@@joesalmon5535 I'm sure you're right. I wanted to use an example everyone would get, even though I realized that doing so would partially undermine my thesis.
The album is a relic of the vinyl age. But, even so, the 45 single was actually what people bought and listened to. Streaming is a morass but also incredibly deep in terms of access to songs. But it has a commodifying effect where things seem less special because less shared.
One thing we need to destigmatize is the idea of serious musicians playing songs written by other professional songwriters. There were great bands in the 60s like The Byrds, The Monkees, The Turtles, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Tommy James and the Shondels, where they wrote part of their stuff but put some of the slack on professional songwriters like Cynthia Weil, Carole King, Geoff Goffing, Or Boyce and Hart to provide the songs for them, but they still had freedom in playing the songs their style. (Lana Del Rey and Taylor Swift do this which is why they are so productive in releasing new music.) If the album is dead, then fine! Just go song after song and the more singles format like they did.
@@llamasarus1 This is a big subject! If artists don't write their material, or not all of it, fine: just make it your own. So many artists did this so well: Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Elvis. I feel it's a slightly different conversation from the album. I'll admit, my musical DNA is grooved on a 40-minute 33rpm LP! Thanks for the comment!
@@RobertsRecordCorner I'm continuing off the idea of output of recorded music among artists. It could be individual songs or an album. In short, perhaps separating performers from songwriters every once in a while could do some good, even among respectable musicians and performers.
I really like your points. I can’t really disagree with any of it. I have a idea about how we listen to music by those that are just ahead of us in years because that’s where we want to be and those will be our mentors so with the majority of music being produced is by people younger than us, we are going to lose interest for the most part in that music For me. It was the late 1980s when the average musicians age was about mine and since then it’s been very little new music, but I care about one example is a Alanis Morissette who is clearly mature beyond her years.
I agree with a lot of points, however I personally feel that this is still one of the best periods for music. My dad grew up obsessed with music, following along most every genre, keeping tabs on local music. And yet I still have founds loads of artists that he would have never heard of, be it early noise projects like innersystems, french pop like Stromae, or electronic acts like Patrica Taxxon. Streaming is both a blessing & a curse as it's easier than ever to connect with hyper specific genres, & explore new genres & artists. But it also means that people become increasingly disconnected from albums & that it can be overwhelming just how much music is available. It does make it easier for indie projects to thrive. Acts like Billy Cobb or Weatherday which are almost exclusively recorded in someone's bedroom have gained pretty big followings simply from word of mouth through online communities. I'd also argue that 5th wave emo is the best wave due to its lose nature. Previous waves have often consisted of a bunch of mediocre bands copying the same group, but 5th wave has taken influence from all across the board with projects incorporating elements of: Noise, Electronic, Bedroom pop, shoegaze, post rock, post hardcore, hyperpop, and a ton of other genres to create something incredibly unique & interesting.
I don't know those bands and will check them out! I tend to listen to rock and jazz from about 1957 to 1985, but every now and then something really captures my attention. Like that Japanese punk band Otoboke Beaver. They blow my mind. Thanks for watching!
@@RobertsRecordCorner I'm a very cross the board kinda gal. I try to keep up with most genres. Anytime mate, you've got some great insight & I'll definitely be tuned in.
Excellent piece! The past was filled with artist development, the equivalent of R&D in manufacturing. Fast forward and we now have neither artist development or manufacturing. Dare I suggest the Decline of Western Civilization? Thanks for your work!
Hi Robert, I've only have viewed a few of your videos but it seems that you and I think along the same lines about music. I consider the 1980s as the last great decade for popular music. After that period things started to go downhill. All your points are well taken. Today's popular music has been really dump down and current mainstream music for the most part has nothing to offer me. Yet there are still great newer artist out there who are making wonderful music and yes great albums as well who I seek out. While such artist do alright in going the indie route in releasing their music and building a fan base by playing smaller venues, they do not get the attention they deserve in popular music. The cream no longer rises to the top as it once did. One has to find the cream though internet searches or word of mouth which is the way I seek such artist out. I consider myself an independent music listener. While the list is too long to mention them all, Fleet Foxes, Michael Kiwanuka,The Record Company, Aurora, First Aid Kit, Valerie June of some of my wonderful discoveries. Yes it is too bad that the art of album making is not highly regarded by listeners as it once was. For myself I am not interested in an artist who cannot put together an album that draws my interest instead of just putting a few good songs together. Today I am more of an album listener than a concert goer. I do not go to as many shows as I did in the past. Ticket prices are way too high and many audience members are there for the party atmosphere and know very little of the artist they are there to see. If I do go to a show it is by an up and coming artist who are presenting newer music instead of a veteran artist who is playing music I've heard all my life. Lastly I still buy albums. If I hear a new artist that I really like I will purchase their music on on vinyl. While they may not get rich off my purchase I am sending them a message that your music is worth the price your asking and I will buy it instead of just listening to it on a streaming service. I also have the best stereo equipment I've ever own in my life so the sound is amazing. I send about 20 percent of my music listening to newer artist which is something that a lot of people do not do once they reach their early 30s but this 65 year old is very much interested to in hearing the artistical expression of newer artist. Oh I love Vampire Weekend and it does not matter how long it takes for them to release album, just as long as their releases are good and Vampire Weekend have been very consistent in the quality of their work. Their last album is a masterful work. I will comment on more of your videos but for now keep up the good work.
If you like genres like old country n western, rockabilly and hot jazz it’s a great time for music. There’s tons of great artists and bands all around the world. Sure what’s popular isn’t good and nobody else is making big dough but great music is still out there.
To be fair to modern music, it is always going to be on the back foot and lack the vitality of earlier music because all the ideas were used years earlier. This is partly down to to the basic principal of 'first come, first served', but also due to the progression of technology which enabled new ideas to be realised. New innovations were appearing at frequent intervals through the second half of the 20th century, from electric guitars in the '50s to the introduction of the DAW around the turn of the millennium. What has there been since?
@@splintercast8092 Good points! I sometimes see the '60s as a Land Run. Early pioneers rushing to stake claims in things like sitars, harpsichords, tape loops, distortion, backward solos, concept albums, long songs etc. New land is increasingly hard to find, at least in rock music. Thanks for watching!
For the large gap between albums, I blame Stevie Wonder and Peter Gabriel. For high ticket prices, the first time I remember people complaining about that was the Jacksons Victory tour in 1984, then the subsequent Stones tours, then the Eagles reunion tours. After that, it just kept skyrocketing. No value for your money anymore. Albums have been devalued with people spending $15 a month to listen to thousands of songs anytime they want, while back in the 90s, one CD cost $15. So albums sales are crap from an artists perspective, they have to charge exorbitant prices for tix to make up for it.
I don’t like rap and love rock so most of what gets made today doesn’t hit with me, don’t mind some modern artists like zach brian but often find myself just discovering more old music rather than new music and I’m in that 16-22 window. What are your thoughts on hackney diamond?
I'm in the same boat with a lot of things. Once it got really easy to get EVERY song/album/artist it kind of made it less important. It used to take effort to get music (job at a grocery store....get your paycheck....GO to a record store....buy an album) Now that it's so easy, I tend to value it less. I love Wilco, Death Cab, Kings of Leon, etc but I don't think I've listened to any of their last 3 albums top to bottom. Just a shift in perspective I guess.
@@bonnibelmara I often wonder about excessive convenience -- and whether it leads to a sort of paralysis? Can't ever figure out what to watch, for example, when you have access to everything ever made. Thanks for the comment
One of the problems is the radio. Tony Blackburn, Simon Bates etc used to play 20 songs per hour. Singles were no longer than three minutes so that's twenty songs per hour with a ''this one goes out to Sandra' or 'that was Slade, now here's T-Rex' in between. Today, even though the BBC no longer has to pay needle time, they play a few songs in between chat, features, guests etc.
Cool video and some great points! Would agree and disagree. Yes, it's bad that bands are generally putting out less music, and the album as an artform may have suffered with streaming. And yes, ticket prices for major (though not local) acts are ridiculous. But I would argue that the window or age of influence you mention is much wider. In my case, it started before 10 years old, and it is yet to close, lol. Secondly, advances in tech and streaming have made it possible for there to be more music overall, as acts can create and distribute music much more easily. Therefore, the consumer has far, far, far more choice than at any time before. Finally, many bands are still producing music at a fast rate, like Big Thief, The Smile, DBTs, or Wilco. The Smile, an offshoot of Radiohead, have put out 3 albums in 3 years, all excellent, imo. It's difficult, of course, to generalise about music, but I'm convinced the best time to listen to music is right now, as that's all we have. Thanks, Stuart.
@@suartgilmour4540 Thank you for your thoughtful response. It's certainly true many bands, particularly of "indie" caliber, keep the creative stream flowing. (Guided By Voices/Robert Pollard is almost exhausting.) I tended to look at more charting bands here, roughly equivalent of charting bands of '70s to '80s. But it's no science. I tend to think the peak "hunger years" fades more often than not. And sometimes does so quicker than ten years. I do know great bands in their prime tend to make great things whenever opportunity rises. I worry they/we miss out some by not having chance to record/write more? I appreciate your excellent examples though. Thank you!
I appreciate thay this video isnt jusy shitting on new music but rahte just giving some fun insight on 21st century music. Ill say I dont see muxh about your second point but youre third point is very much real and a big issues for fans of music right now. But to oute other two points, I seem so many intriguing records bekng released every week its jusy impossible to keep up with all the great stuff coming out, doesnt necessarily have to be all music released by a specific artist you like, now its more the time to listen to and enjoy as many new artists as you desire. Which I think its hoenstly a much better situation than being limited to fewer bands as people seemed to be years ago
i'm a teenager from Brazil, and can't really seem to understand why people like modern music so much. my favorite band is King Crimson, from the late 60's, and this progressive rock type of music just doesn't have much attention today. my personal teory is that most of the music genres (that were created at that time) have had their peak in the 60's - 90's. with prog rock, you have Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Yes, Gentle Giant, Zappa, and many other giants of the genre, but today you don't see any prog rock band/ artist rising to the top, because people nowadays want new genres of music, because we, in 2024, have a veeery different kind of view than people in the 90's. I came to the conclusion that, music created by 21th century artists is not bad, it's just for another kind of audience. your point about how albuns have decayed correlates perfectly with my teory. anyways, great video, really love your content. hope you make more videos soon.
I've gone all in on Japan because they have made and are still making music in pretty much any genre you can think of. And they have a lot of this kind of stuff: ua-cam.com/video/6zoDnVvBEIo/v-deo.html
Kinda unfair to judge the ability to make songs by the output, we do say after all that we should prioritize quality over quantity, and it seems that Vampire Weekend made their best rated album with in a 5 year gap.
@@MintYukariFactory Thank you for the thoughts. I understand your point, which is a reason why I try to go out of my way to keep relative quality out of how I look at this. I believe opportunity simply yields results, particularly when an artist is hungry still. We will never know what Vampire Weekend, a band I picked nearly randomly, would have created if they had the opportunity to (write and) record a new set songs five or six times in their first decade as opposed to three times. I think it is pretty fair to wonder this tbh. And I feel this general decrease in creative cadence is a loss for a fans' connection to an artist - particularly from age 16-22 - and a loss for artists too. It's just my opinion! Thanks for watching
@@RobertsRecordCorner I don't think "what ifs" are an healthy view in art, sometimes it takes time to create an album plus, we could even make the argument that led zeppelin could have made even better music if they took time. AND I think there's a lot to do with experimentation, the Beatles were in a row because there was so much to explore. Genres that are basically less open for new ideas nowadays will need more time to make something original. Just look at RYM's best 2024 albums chart and you'll see that great albums are still being made, more or less experimental.
@@MintYukariFactoryI appreciate your points a lot. I really do. But I don't mind the question "what if" tbh. I think about a Jimi Hendrix/Miles Davis collaboration that might have happened for example. Anyway, I'm not sure I've heard this topic quite discussed like this before so tried to uncluttered my slow-boil feelings about it! I appreciate your responses
Good video. It just isn't profitable for musicians to make records anymore, they have to tour (maybe) too much to make ends meet, or not even that, &, as you said, albums are being culturally devalued, partially because you can listen to anything for "free."
I've been arguing since downloading began that it would lead to a dearth of supply in pop music. It took away the music industry's ability to charge exorbitant prices for copyright material. When demand plummets, so does supply
@@antoniopizarro7670 Say no to record companies and managers? Everyone can record anywhere. I love albums but maybe singles help? In between "albums" go and record a couple songs and release?
@@keithbertschin1213 Thank you. It's hard to sort out how much b-roll to use. (Some viewers complain my face is in too much!) I tend to work on assumption people don't need/want to see me much and I use b-roll to quickly show what I'm talking about (aka 0:04 of Song etc). I dunno. It's all an experiment!
@@RobertsRecordCorner Thanks for the response. I don’t think it’s b roll per se. I often find those very quick jokey things too much, yeah one or two. Relevant and addictive b roll always welcome. Also, you present well and no one is sitting there think we need to see less of this guy. What you’re saying is interesting and people focus on that. Have subscribed as you have an interesting channel. Thanks
Music 'scenes' don't exist anymore ...mainly from socially isolating things like phones and 'social media'.. individuals are isolated ...even when at a show.. so sad
To top if off it must be easier to record an album today than it was in the pre digital days, and probably a lot less expensive. I really don't understand why they take so long to make albums, unless they don't think there's enough money in it anymore now that record/cd sales are so low.
We all want good music. Maybe the truth is bands, with extended tours and marketing previous works perhaps, are too stretched to write and to write well? Fans were conditioned to getting music a little more often, in most cases. Thanks for watching!
Like many other songs in the genre, I've been beaten over the head with it due to twenty years of having to listen to "classic rock" radio at work. (Thanks, WAPL) I never want to hear it again, just like...well, Bohemian Rhapsody makes me want to puke. So yeah.
Largely disagree. Observations 1. Music as a % of GDP or % of entertainment industry declined. it’s not profitable to make music and there is a certain level of brain drain 2. Main source of income for music industry is concerts now which is an inversion from the past aka singles EPs and albums are used to support concerts 3. Many iconic artists like Fiona Apple, Radiohead or Swans make music once every 5 years or more and they still move you 4. More recent artists such as Tyler the Creator or CharliXCX or are still making very interesting yet mainstream enough stuff for hype 5. Steaming music makes you able to conveniently stream a long tail of experimental, world music or ambient we wouldn’t have dreamt of during album era
I actually agree with all your points, so I'm not certain where the disagreement is necessarily. I still will have to be talked off my hill that having more music from more bands (in their prime), and not having to work 38.2 hours for a concert ticket, isn't a better thing for fans ultimately. I say nothing about comparative quality over the eras. Thanks for your observations!
Hmm, this is a somewhat interesting analysis but there are very specific reasons why the industry then and now yields contrasting results in terms of release schedules. There are other far more urgent and interesting points of discussion to be had when you factor in economical, cultural and social changes.
To me it seems that an album is made to support a tour and when targets are met everybody goes on a holiday. While in the 60-70-80's the tour promoted the album and was taken ar more seriously than the "copy & paste" we have nowadays.
There is so much good music being made every year. You are just not listening to it because it’s become harder to find stuff that isn’t pushed by majors
@@theactorjohnlarroquette I believe it. (I love Otoboke Beaver, if that counts.) But I tended to pick with similar type artists -- generally chart-makers and award-winners. Thanks for watching
@@RobertsRecordCorner but that’s just not representative of the current landscape. Things that are groundbreaking rarely get mass attention and if they do it’s often after they’ve already diluted their originality (sounds cliched but true to a large degree) I mean that’s been the case with almost every “independent” artist of the last two decades+
@@theactorjohnlarroquette I understand that the charts never tell the full story. I was a complete indie rock kid (we called it alt rock) from 1984 through Pavement. And would never have wanted my era to be defined by Cars, Van Halen, Police or Motley Crue or Alice in Chains frankly-- though I had albums by the first four. To your pt, "independent" bands, and the fringe in general, is the best way to skirt the "problems" I outline, reg access (ticket prices) too. Thanks for the comments!
@@RobertsRecordCorner good comparison I think you get where I’m coming from. Good places to start with at least American underground music during the mid 2010s were independent labels like Exploding In Sound and now something like Julias War out of Philly
The last 'album' I listened to was Beach House's ingenious release on youtube..'Once Twice Melody' . There is so much great music out there... just no one is really interested or invested in it like once before
Hi Robert; this is a great wise evaluation! It makes me gladder I grew up in the 1970s. I don’t deal with Spotify. I buy physical media. My current job pays me in CDs. I miss when songs were parts of sequencing and flow of sometimes conceptual albums. Twice you said bands are "less assessable.” But assessing them is what you’re doing; you’re judging them. You didn’t pronounce the word as “accessible” like the capital graphics said. You left out the “k” sound. Have a nice day.
@@RobertsRecordCorner No problem. "Extracurricular" is all one word. I think that's because it means outside of a realm, not an additional one of something. Thanks for the positive feedback!
While it's true that ppl might hear fewer albums from any individual band/artist during those pivotal years, I wonder if that's offset by the sheer volume of musical choice ppl are confronted with these days? You might have 15 "favourite" artists that you listen to and although each has a sparse release schedule, all of them combined provide a steady stream of new music. The quality of that music is of course up for debate. The squandered creative potential point is an interesting one too. Could Radiohead, for example, have had twice as many great albums if they churned them out year on year or have they managed to preserve a level of quality, sanity and stability by not burning the candle at both ends? We'll never know I guess. You're also having to factor in things like diminishing musical returns as genres become saturated and stagnant because most of the colours on the creative palette have been used and reused ten times over.
I probably should have looked at Radiohead's discography more closely for this. To your point, I think the '60s and '70s rate was too much for bands. I think one album per 1.75 to 2 years is pretty perfect. It gives a chance for an early music fan to grow with an artist -- and keeps material fresher? Thanks for your comments!
I can't argue with any of this. I'd also say that the quality of music has gone downhill these days even though the young fans don't seem to care about that. But yeah, in every way the music industry is not the same as it used to be. Lousy economy and a less enthusiastic work ethic.
Rockenroll started out as a singles oriented animal. It didn’t really spurt into the album era until somewhere between Revolver and Sgt Peckers. So it has just returned to a singles oriented beast-mainly because so many albums were filled with filler. Filler did it. Plus failing record company support. If the band has to pay $250,000.00 to record an album, they are gonna procrastinate…I would. Otherwise searching for great songs is fun and rewarding. You’re No Rock ‘n’ Roll Fun. Sweater Weather. Destroy Everything You Touch.. The Less I Know The Better. Random Gorilaz. And…now we program ourselves.
Music will be less about consumption and idol worship (rock and pop stars took the place of priests and saints) and more about communal interaction. Artists will only be as good as allowing for audiences being a part of the initial creative process. Skills are still valued, but accessibility is what the Aquarian Age is all about.
My friends all watched live concerts all through the 80s. My friends lived at home. I paid rent. I paid for therapy. I love the music just as much as they did, but there’s no way I was gonna buy a ticket.
You cant complain about the output of king gizzard or ty segall or deatHshroud. Of course those are exceptions. And billy eilish for 280 dollars???? Im shocked.
How much of this is that artist have to spend (or waste if you will) time creating content because either the labels demand it or if an Indie feel fans will abandon them if they don't.
All true but I could care less. I could only listen to albums that came out from 1960 to 2010 for the rest of my life and never run out of things I haven't heard before
I'm one of the rare ones in that at my age of 69, I'm still buying CDs. I'd buy vinyl but WTF? A record can be $50 and the CD for the same music is $20. As for concerts, the prices are stupid! $2,300 plus for Taylor Swift. Not that I'd want to go either. We used to be able to go to a local bar and catch a band but now more often than not, it's s DJ or karaoke. I used to play in bands for a few decades but now the bar owner wants to pay $100 for the whole band for a night, no free food or drinks either. Then we get to the main artists out there and they aren't bands. Just a singer with some unknown faceless people. And none of them ROCK! It's all pop drivel. Even Coldplay are soft drivel, at least to me they are. Finding kickass rock is next to impossible unless you search on UA-cam.
Yes you sound old.Im 61 and I wish people my age would try and be more objective. Why is no one complaining about the death of 78rpm discs and the replacement of swing orchestras by small groups with amplifiers?
@@shadowstealer2790 Ha! I went out of my way to not make this about quality of music. And though my era of interest is pretty solidly 1965-85, I'm fairly open to diving into modern music too (I am enamored with Otoboke Beaver at the moment). Reg 78s, I think 33s positively impacted music, as I talk about. The concept of thematic albums emerged and (particularly) jazz bands were able to explore longer pieces less geared to primary melodies. Dylan might have something to say about hearing the negative impact of using amplifiers! Thanks for watching!
Albums don't sell as much today obviously. The Beatles and Led Zeppelin and the Doors didn't exist in the era of social media and streaming. It's not the same world and not the same industry anymore so any comparison on that terms is rather pointless.
Everything was done in the 20th century, there is no more room for innovation. There are a lot of people trying to recreate the 60s, 70s and even the 80s, but there's always that feeling of deja-vu. By the way, I'm talking about rock music, pop music will always be pop music, I've never been interested in that.
Your logic is faulty, or it just applies in your situation. I was an 80s kid who graduated HS during the grunge era. I enjoyed bands like Radiohead, but I rarely listen to them or other 90s acts any longer. Instead you'll find me usually listening to the 60s and 70s music I heard as a little one; my uncle spinning Isley Bros or Steely Dan vinyls. Or I listen to stuff like Tame Impala or Black Moth Super Rainbow.
Gotta hit the hook in 8 seconds or the listener is on to the next dopamine fix. That can't sustain for a full album, it's exhausting. Is the death of local live music related? I think so. How many hours did The Beatles spend playing to drunks in Hamburg before they were ready to produce their discography? That culture does not exist any more. Go to the local pub on a Friday or Saturday night and you'll be lucky to find a generic, geriatric oldies cover band (like mine, btw: have guitar, will travel!). Oh - not fair to compare contemporary output to Zep, they had the whole history of blues to ... borrow ... for their records.
@@billywright8252 Thanks for the comment. It was a little tongue-in-cheek comparing VW to LZ, I'll admit. The 0:08 hook is interesting. Fractal songs, song bytes may be our future. Just make 25 great seconds, with option of 40-second extension? Thanks for watching!
But quality over quantity, I mean, today's artists might not be pumping out as much music as the Beatles, but... they're.. OK, nevermind, you're probably right... 🤣
The only thing I hear you on is ticket sales. but even then, you seem to be cherry picking from a sampling of (almost exclusively white) top 40 artists, which is what all of the videos like these do. Looking past the top 40 gives us a much different picture, even with regards to your ticket sales argument
I understand. Science of this could consume months of work I think. I tried to pick bands that are in the charts and winning awards now -- and generally did the same for the past decades too. The only exceptions perhaps are Sonic Youth and LCD Soundsystem, one from '80s and one from '00s. To me, bands and singers clearly make less music -- I think that's something music fans had as an advantage in previous decades. I'll probably die on that hill! Thanks for watching.
@@RobertsRecordCorner yeah man this is ultimately your opinion and what I found annoying was how you try to present this as scientific. Rather than presenting pseudo-scientific arguments I'd recommend doing some research into what makes modern music production nuanced and interesting, and why new artists prefer that approach. and for the record I like the music you idealize in this video as well
Why not talk about the quality? I have seen it going down in 2016. Latin pop songs, charts music, indie and best albums were not the same anymore as last great albums currents and to kiss a butterfly. As if the songmaler that whispers somgs into musicans ears got less inspired. And also music even when its good like bony horsemN sounds over-eqed/ produced in a perfect but robotic way. I dont carr about frequency so much as thousands of albums are releSed every month and quality would go down if they try to be the beatles or zep.
@@Sharkwhisperer Quality absolutely matters. But think I do talk about it? A hungry band making an album ever 3.33 years in, say, its first ten years imo is missing some great songs. I realize this can never be proven. Thank you for watching.
Quality is a very interesting topic to talk about in these terms, but quality really is subjective. I love how RRC breaks down the more objective qualities about music.
First of all scientific studies have proven there is less melody in somgs of today. Second of all what makes talking about music interesting is because it is subjective. So that means you can make videos about it and discuss it. 1+1=2 is objective but fat less interesting. People dont watch fantano because he is objective for example.
@@Sharkwhisperer Big time. Subjectivity is the magic sauce. Maybe RRC will focus on that in a future video? I personally hadn't thought about the change in cadence of band's releasing new music before - so thought this video was pretty informative from that perspective. You mention scientific studies - isn't science inherently objective and not subjective? I may have that wrong though - but i like the idea of objective science shining a light on subjectivity.
People don't wanna talk about how Punk/Alt culture did a number on Rock music. The moment regular bands had to worry about "street cred", "selling out", or being a "poser" it was over. Irony poisoning also takes the fun out of everything.
What you do is simply unfair. Different times, different conditions, you are comparing apples and ...giraffes. As a 72 year old music fan I am sure that nowadays bands and the whole music scene are of a great quality. You can't blame the musicians for their younger fans and their way of consuming music.
@@georgeickhoff3646 Apples and giraffes, my two favorite things! I understand your point, and I absolutely don't blame the musicians. I just think they are losing out on some of their potential creativity. Thanks for the comment!
Taylor Swift is literally releasing an album in each second And The Album is not dead at all,just a bit weaker than it used to be And the 2020`s is the best music decade ever,so i disagree with you very much
@@BoynamedMagnus183 It feels like the 2020s is the decade of the woman artist. And it has been exciting to watch. Music feels more interesting now, for me, than most of this century at least. Thanks for the comment
@@RobertsRecordCorner What an Honor,i`m a huge fan of your channel!💝❤️💯👋🏻🔥 You have to remember we have had some great music news for male also like The Black Crowes releasing their first album in 15 Years called Happiness Bastards(Released in 2024),and also the fact that Oasis just have reunited,and The Rolling Stones releasing their first studio album in 18 years called Hackney Diamonds in 2023,and Lewis Capaldi Releasing his best album to date which i love called Broken By Desire To Be Heavenly Sent,and it is a new Guitar Rock/Rock And Roll Band Movement in The UK slowly but surely emerging into the mainstream which is all male bands like:Paradise Row,Marseille, The Rolling People,Cucamaras,Pastel and Afflecks Palace So i think it`s not too bad for men either!(even though i agree with you that 2024 was the year of woman artist!)😊👌🏻🤘🏻💪🏻🔥💯💝❤️❤️💝👋🏻❤️💝
All I seem to hear is bass-heavy urban autotune nursery rhyme repetitive aggressive posturing SHIT (music). So there's that. Today's music seems increasingly to be created by, and especially FOR, non-music appreciative types. It's all about.......crap. Certainly not music. Heavy metal had this appeal, sure, but there were usually 3-4 guys who knew a little about playing an instrument ( Tommy Lee excepted). None of these rappers and hip-hoppers want to learn anything musical, it's just mass unconnected verbiage, bragadocio, and which beats to buy. It's sad.
@@RobertsRecordCorner Did you see that Bob Dylan just released 27 discs of _an entire tour_ he did with The Band? _The 1974 Live Recordings._ I heard Ken Tucker's review of it on NPR. There's a lot of reckless power and soul going on, from what I've heard so far. I imagine it could be educational for some of us who forget that it's okay to be spontaneous and stray from the "official" version of a song. Plus, it's valuable to hear a "bad" performance in the context of an entire tour, rather than an isolated clip on social media. I don't really do streaming, so I'm curious how much of this behemoth set will make it to DSPs. Or will I have to start doing "reaction videos" to disseminate it? 😸
@@crnkmnky I did see that but didn't get it. I have every Dylan album but not keeping up with last few Bootleg Series. I've never been that fond of the '74 tour but maybe this would change my mind?
I can both agree and disagree.... the 21st century in American music is as bad as the 1990s. And worse. But if you go outside the US there is so much more and better music than in the hey days of America's past. Yeah this idea that less misuc is made now is crazy as there are more artists and fewer studios. LMAO quality is not quality... I. The past bands chiuned out album after album but most of those had no hit songs and a bunch of junk fillers. Real inflation is not counted correct anymore. You have crap tastes. Let me give you bands that are musically great. Aldious Dominator live Radiant A O East. Lovebites Swansong live with Chopin Intro Five of a Kind. Versailles Revenant Choir live. BabyMetal Rondo of Nightmares with Mischief of the Metal Gods Intro. Dragonforce Through the Fire and Flames. Doll$boxx loud Tein Stars Gacharic Spin Mindset live Iron Bunny Twenty three 23. Hanabie Run Away Nightwish Ghost Love Score live Wakken Jinger Pices live session Band Maid Non Fiction Days Scandal Shunkan Sentimental Wagakki Band Synchronicity Lovendor Coward 9 Mused Figaro Stellar Fool AOA Under the Streetlamps Sistar I like That EXID Night Rather than Day Mamamoo Mr Ambiguous All of these songs since 2010. All bettter than anything From the USA
No one is ruining music. I’m a music fan older than you bud. It’s fine. Stop being an old fart. You’re comparing studio albums like the new model has to be like the old one. Bands aren’t making as much music? What?! You’re saying that a limited number of bands aren’t outputting as much. And? You’ve got 1000x more bands with less individual output, but collectively making 100 times more music. If you are stuck into the old days where you only follow a few bands and they have to output lots of content you’re done bud. Get over it.
I deliberately don't talk about quality.I deliberately picked bands/singers that are popular in the charts. To me, it shows a very clear difference. I worry that fans cannot be as "connected" to artists when they have less chance to see them or see them grow. Doesn't seem that farty to me! Anyway, thanks for watching.
need to add one more point. No bands in top charts today. Only individual singers
so? why are artists presenting themselves as a group of people inherently better? unless what you mean to say is you wish rock music was more popular
@@Nelward64it's ok to miss that people used to play instruments in a social way
@@stevecarter8810Noone is saying you are wrong for missing bands, but the question was what makes a band more valuable than a singular artist?
@@moselaw2 it's a false dichotomy. Tea is not better than coffee. But if you want tea and it's not available, saying "What's wrong with coffee" is missing the point.
Blame the industry, it is very hard to sustain yourself as a musician without touring, record sales don't pay the bills. Look to the underground for the music you're missing, stop paying attention to the charts.
I agree with everything you said! I do blame the industry. And feel we the fans and also the artists lose out. Thanks for watching!
I agree with the underground part, even if it's local. There's this Indianapolis hardcore punk band called Pat and the Pissers that tours the Midwest. I saw them on my vacation in Milwaukee, even though they don't have a Wikipedia page, they put on a fantastic show and it gives me hope. Search out music scenes and artists you may enjoy in cities and areas in your region, whether in America or elsewhere in the world, and support them!
Yup
@@llamasarus1 Just seems to me the venues are drying up. Can't run a small or even mid-sized live music venue any more. But I don't blame corporate music, that's always been there. Corporations will sell whatever people will buy. If people want to buy 30 seconds of pablum on Spotify, that's what they'll get.
Andy Edwards and Rick Beato have hit on some of these points, but your ones about album frequency, prices and squandering creativity are great.
@@greggibbs3639 Thanks! I saw Rick's video about decline of bands and was fascinated. Hadn't seen Andy Edwards yet. Will look for it!
Prices have definitely put the kibosh on my purchases, but are pretty irrelevant for todays average listener, who streams.
Rick Beato is old and just complains about music he doesn't "get' anymore. This looks at problems in the music industry instead of appearing out of touch with today's music scene.
Your comparison to Led Zeppelin made me smile. I agree with you as a musician/composer, record collector and documentarian. Modern day conditions are bizarre. While the financial stuff is not always a band's fault, the song does not remain the same. Music Sells...but who's buying? Your delivery and presentation is superb!
Thank you!
Incredibly insightful. New favorite channel.
@@JordanSeal Thank you!
That's interesting that modern artists produce less music. Maybe its because they don't make the bulk of their money from record sales like classic artists did, instead it's from live performances, which explains why tickets are so expensive. It used to be that touring drove record sales, but today when artists are "brands" the records are just marketing for the live show.
No corporations are ruining music. And pretty much everything else too. Everything they touch turns into deliberately bad raw sewage.
@@Stonecutter334 hard to argue!
If no corporations are ruining music and almost everything, how can they be turning everything to sewage? It sounds like harm to me.
I agree with pretty much everything you said, and am glad that you didn't do the cliché and simply say that all new music is worse.
Thank you for watching!
Thank you. Great analysis. I would only add that when I purchased The Doors albums, I was shocked at how few songs were on an album back then. Unfortunately, CDs forced musicians to write more songs. In addition, the death of the music store has contributed to the decline of music. It was a place where you could feel and hear what was going on in the music world. Thanks again for your video.
I always prefer 42 min albums. Thank you for watching!
I blame all the tv-shows : xxx got talent , Idol , The voice , and so on. They get lyrics written , music composed , clothes designed , dance coreographed , singing coached , hair styled , appearance maked-up , interview answers taught and photo poses learned. It’s completely sterile and soulless. Do you think anyone will buy records from today in 50 years , like we do with Beatles , Bowie , Stones , Sabbath , Zeppelin and Hendrix ? No , they’ll by the same records as us.
people may very well buy music from today in 50 years, but almost none of it will be what makes it to major venues, radio, big playlists or movie soundtracks today.
i"d be surprised if Bowie or Sabbath have any major following then.
@@raggeragnar I think we shouldn't compare the people in these TV shows with real musicians. Maybe the musicians and bands with self-written and self-played music are sometimes hard to find, but they are there. Sometimes without albums but with appearances on festivals or in small venues. I remember a concert of Kings of Leon in Cologne when they were playing in front of less than 1000 people. 20 years ago but it's happening all around the world every day.
@@georgeickhoff3646 : THANK YOU !!!!! I’ve been saying the same for years. My take on it is that the record companies goes only after short time money. Hence the crap I described above. Too bad people fall for it. They’re missing out on great music. Live well buddy.
Thanks for sharing your points of view. Wishing you a great day from Brazil
@@LoquilloPanama Thank you. You too!
Which has been worse: the decline of music or the decline of Brazilian soccer?
My take....in the 50s-90s....there were a lot more musical trends and also many more smaller places and spaces for newer bands to perfect their craft...Has music changed much since the early 00s? In my lifetime I've seen Punks, mods, ska, new romantics, Goths, hair metal, indie kids, techno-heads, emos, Acid Teds, Junglists, Hip hop heads, casuals, soul boys and Hippies, and that's just off the top of my head...Have there been that many trends in the last 10/15 years?
Great Vid! I love how you’ve speculated on album frequency here. Really like the CPI comparison over time too. I’ve often wondered if on some macro level, the nature of contracts with record labels plays a role as well? just in terms of inaction between releases). With production being accessible to the masses through the rise of home production studios (not saying they’re all good), plus the disruption of music distribution via steaming services, self promotion through social media platforms such as UA-cam, it seems that there are more and more examples of the middleman being cut out of the equation. I’m not saying that I have the answers. I’m only speculating as well, but with no pressure from Sony or EMI, I wonder if the artist has more freedom to explore creativity on their own terms, and therefore not be constrained by the timelines of fulfilling a contract with a large label. I don’t know, but it’s nice to meet a fellow music philosopher out there. Great job man!!
@@Cheddar_Jesus Thank you! I think home studios must have some kind of effect, particularly a disintegration of The Bands etc?
I found my favorite rock band 4 years ago when I was 55. It would be cool if they released albums more often, but I'm happy with the quality and replayability. (it's Band-Maid -- don't let the outfits or the fact that they're young women from Japan fool you, they rock!)
@@artomatt Love to hear it! Otoboke Beaver, punk band from Osaka I think, is basically my favorite new band
@@RobertsRecordCorner I've heard them too. A lot of amazing music coming from Japanese women these days!
Fantastic breakdown of the current state of music on all levels. It’s a sad state of affairs. Record companies no longer take chances on unique artists and instead sign whatever sounds fashionable. You have to dig deep these days to find something special. It’s few and far between. It’s the dark ages.
Bands in the 60s and 70s had managers who pushed the bands to make more music. Record companies that insisted on a release date even if there wasn't anything in the can yet. So that pushed bands to get going which lead to some great stuff but also burned them out. So if new bands take their time, it's to prevent burn out. But then it also leads to laziness perhaps. And of course today they have all kinds of non-music projects to do and social media to maintain. Concert ticket prices are why I don't go anymore, along with artists I like are either dead or way past their prime. Not to mention they don't really play "live" anymore. I loved albums but haven't heard many post grunge that could hold my attention like the classics could.
Bands definitely got pushed too hard back then. (Cheap Trick's "Stop this Game" has them singing about being too stretched barely before their career started.) I think the one album per 1.75 to 2.0 years is an ideal ratio. I rarely go to concerts anymore -- though did see PJ Harvey last night for $30 (!) and will see Iron Maiden of all bands next week for the same. (Bad seats for both, alas.) So I have that going for me. Anyway, thank you for the comments!
I remember Boston signing a contract to produce 10 albums in 6 years, then producing 6 albums in 48 years. 😅
I'm in my late 60s. I have many friends in their 20s or 30s who are very knowledgeable about the popular music of the last 100 years, but I've noticed that very few of them have a sense of history about particular artists--how their work evolved over time. They won't be able to tell you whether "Norwegian Wood" came before or after "Come Together." One of many results of the album no longer being the standard form of music consumption.
@@Hydrocorax I was not around in 1965 for its release but worked backward to learn that distinction. To me, chronology and timing is everything. I certainly don't mean to rail on younger fans. Many know more than me. I just think the conditions are somewhat lessened for bands (rock bands in particular). Thanks for watching.
I understand you point about not having the sense of how artists evolved, but I think most people who are reasonably interested in music and are fans of the beatles no come together came after norweigan wood. Or maybe i'm just a beatles nerd.
@@joesalmon5535 I'm sure you're right. I wanted to use an example everyone would get, even though I realized that doing so would partially undermine my thesis.
Or it could be drugs.
The album is a relic of the vinyl age. But, even so, the 45 single was actually what people bought and listened to. Streaming is a morass but also incredibly deep in terms of access to songs. But it has a commodifying effect where things seem less special because less shared.
What radio and home recording tapes?
One thing we need to destigmatize is the idea of serious musicians playing songs written by other professional songwriters. There were great bands in the 60s like The Byrds, The Monkees, The Turtles, Paul Revere and the Raiders, Tommy James and the Shondels, where they wrote part of their stuff but put some of the slack on professional songwriters like Cynthia Weil, Carole King, Geoff Goffing, Or Boyce and Hart to provide the songs for them, but they still had freedom in playing the songs their style. (Lana Del Rey and Taylor Swift do this which is why they are so productive in releasing new music.) If the album is dead, then fine! Just go song after song and the more singles format like they did.
@@llamasarus1 This is a big subject! If artists don't write their material, or not all of it, fine: just make it your own. So many artists did this so well: Billie Holiday, Frank Sinatra, Elvis. I feel it's a slightly different conversation from the album. I'll admit, my musical DNA is grooved on a 40-minute 33rpm LP! Thanks for the comment!
@@RobertsRecordCorner I'm continuing off the idea of output of recorded music among artists. It could be individual songs or an album. In short, perhaps separating performers from songwriters every once in a while could do some good, even among respectable musicians and performers.
@@llamasarus1I understand. Thank you. I saw that Weird Al is only making singles from now on, which makes particular sense for him.
I really like your points. I can’t really disagree with any of it. I have a idea about how we listen to music by those that are just ahead of us in years because that’s where we want to be and those will be our mentors so with the majority of music being produced is by people younger than us, we are going to lose interest for the most part in that music For me. It was the late 1980s when the average musicians age was about mine and since then it’s been very little new music, but I care about one example is a Alanis Morissette who is clearly mature beyond her years.
I agree with a lot of points, however I personally feel that this is still one of the best periods for music.
My dad grew up obsessed with music, following along most every genre, keeping tabs on local music. And yet I still have founds loads of artists that he would have never heard of, be it early noise projects like innersystems, french pop like Stromae, or electronic acts like Patrica Taxxon. Streaming is both a blessing & a curse as it's easier than ever to connect with hyper specific genres, & explore new genres & artists. But it also means that people become increasingly disconnected from albums & that it can be overwhelming just how much music is available.
It does make it easier for indie projects to thrive. Acts like Billy Cobb or Weatherday which are almost exclusively recorded in someone's bedroom have gained pretty big followings simply from word of mouth through online communities. I'd also argue that 5th wave emo is the best wave due to its lose nature. Previous waves have often consisted of a bunch of mediocre bands copying the same group, but 5th wave has taken influence from all across the board with projects incorporating elements of: Noise, Electronic, Bedroom pop, shoegaze, post rock, post hardcore, hyperpop, and a ton of other genres to create something incredibly unique & interesting.
I don't know those bands and will check them out! I tend to listen to rock and jazz from about 1957 to 1985, but every now and then something really captures my attention. Like that Japanese punk band Otoboke Beaver. They blow my mind. Thanks for watching!
@@RobertsRecordCorner I'm a very cross the board kinda gal. I try to keep up with most genres. Anytime mate, you've got some great insight & I'll definitely be tuned in.
What French music would you recommend?
Excellent piece! The past was filled with artist development, the equivalent of R&D in manufacturing. Fast forward and we now have neither artist development or manufacturing. Dare I suggest the Decline of Western Civilization? Thanks for your work!
Hi Robert, I've only have viewed a few of your videos but it seems that you and I think along the same lines about music. I consider the 1980s as the last great decade for popular music. After that period things started to go downhill. All your points are well taken. Today's popular music has been really dump down and current mainstream music for the most part has nothing to offer me. Yet there are still great newer artist out there who are making wonderful music and yes great albums as well who I seek out. While such artist do alright in going the indie route in releasing their music and building a fan base by playing smaller venues, they do not get the attention they deserve in popular music. The cream no longer rises to the top as it once did. One has to find the cream though internet searches or word of mouth which is the way I seek such artist out. I consider myself an independent music listener. While the list is too long to mention them all, Fleet Foxes, Michael Kiwanuka,The Record Company, Aurora, First Aid Kit, Valerie June of some of my wonderful discoveries.
Yes it is too bad that the art of album making is not highly regarded by listeners as it once was. For myself I am not interested in an artist who cannot put together an album that draws my interest instead of just putting a few good songs together. Today I am more of an album listener than a concert goer. I do not go to as many shows as I did in the past. Ticket prices are way too high and many audience members are there for the party atmosphere and know very little of the artist they are there to see. If I do go to a show it is by an up and coming artist who are presenting newer music instead of a veteran artist who is playing music I've heard all my life.
Lastly I still buy albums. If I hear a new artist that I really like I will purchase their music on on vinyl. While they may not get rich off my purchase I am sending them a message that your music is worth the price your asking and I will buy it instead of just listening to it on a streaming service. I also have the best stereo equipment I've ever own in my life so the sound is amazing. I send about 20 percent of my music listening to newer artist which is something that a lot of people do not do once they reach their early 30s but this 65 year old is very much interested to in hearing the artistical expression of newer artist. Oh I love Vampire Weekend and it does not matter how long it takes for them to release album, just as long as their releases are good and Vampire Weekend have been very consistent in the quality of their work. Their last album is a masterful work. I will comment on more of your videos but for now keep up the good work.
If you like genres like old country n western, rockabilly and hot jazz it’s a great time for music. There’s tons of great artists and bands all around the world. Sure what’s popular isn’t good and nobody else is making big dough but great music is still out there.
To be fair to modern music, it is always going to be on the back foot and lack the vitality of earlier music because all the ideas were used years earlier. This is partly down to to the basic principal of 'first come, first served', but also due to the progression of technology which enabled new ideas to be realised. New innovations were appearing at frequent intervals through the second half of the 20th century, from electric guitars in the '50s to the introduction of the DAW around the turn of the millennium. What has there been since?
@@splintercast8092 Good points! I sometimes see the '60s as a Land Run. Early pioneers rushing to stake claims in things like sitars, harpsichords, tape loops, distortion, backward solos, concept albums, long songs etc. New land is increasingly hard to find, at least in rock music. Thanks for watching!
Somebody needs to invent some new notes.
For the large gap between albums, I blame Stevie Wonder and Peter Gabriel. For high ticket prices, the first time I remember people complaining about that was the Jacksons Victory tour in 1984, then the subsequent Stones tours, then the Eagles reunion tours. After that, it just kept skyrocketing. No value for your money anymore. Albums have been devalued with people spending $15 a month to listen to thousands of songs anytime they want, while back in the 90s, one CD cost $15. So albums sales are crap from an artists perspective, they have to charge exorbitant prices for tix to make up for it.
Ages 14 to 20 were the years I listened to the most music. 1979-1985.
I don’t like rap and love rock so most of what gets made today doesn’t hit with me, don’t mind some modern artists like zach brian but often find myself just discovering more old music rather than new music and I’m in that 16-22 window.
What are your thoughts on hackney diamond?
Next video! (I am pleasantly surprised by it.)
I feel a weird mixture of being both honored and depressed when I hear young people say that.
I'm in the same boat with a lot of things. Once it got really easy to get EVERY song/album/artist it kind of made it less important. It used to take effort to get music (job at a grocery store....get your paycheck....GO to a record store....buy an album) Now that it's so easy, I tend to value it less. I love Wilco, Death Cab, Kings of Leon, etc but I don't think I've listened to any of their last 3 albums top to bottom. Just a shift in perspective I guess.
@@bonnibelmara I often wonder about excessive convenience -- and whether it leads to a sort of paralysis? Can't ever figure out what to watch, for example, when you have access to everything ever made. Thanks for the comment
About 10 years ago Portland had an amazing local Alt-Rock / Psych scene. For example, anyone remember Houndstooth?
Meanwhile Prince doing an album pretty much every year or sometimes 2 or 3 a year
Prince rules
One of the problems is the radio. Tony Blackburn, Simon Bates etc used to play 20 songs per hour. Singles were no longer than three minutes so that's twenty songs per hour with a ''this one goes out to Sandra' or 'that was Slade, now here's T-Rex' in between. Today, even though the BBC no longer has to pay needle time, they play a few songs in between chat, features, guests etc.
Cool video and some great points! Would agree and disagree. Yes, it's bad that bands are generally putting out less music, and the album as an artform may have suffered with streaming. And yes, ticket prices for major (though not local) acts are ridiculous.
But I would argue that the window or age of influence you mention is much wider. In my case, it started before 10 years old, and it is yet to close, lol. Secondly, advances in tech and streaming have made it possible for there to be more music overall, as acts can create and distribute music much more easily. Therefore, the consumer has far, far, far more choice than at any time before. Finally, many bands are still producing music at a fast rate, like Big Thief, The Smile, DBTs, or Wilco. The Smile, an offshoot of Radiohead, have put out 3 albums in 3 years, all excellent, imo. It's difficult, of course, to generalise about music, but I'm convinced the best time to listen to music is right now, as that's all we have. Thanks, Stuart.
@@suartgilmour4540 Thank you for your thoughtful response. It's certainly true many bands, particularly of "indie" caliber, keep
the creative stream flowing. (Guided By Voices/Robert Pollard is almost exhausting.) I tended to look at more charting bands here, roughly equivalent of charting bands of '70s to '80s. But it's no science. I tend to think the peak "hunger years" fades more often than not. And sometimes does so quicker than ten years. I do know great bands in their prime tend to make great things whenever opportunity rises. I worry they/we miss out some by not having chance to record/write more? I appreciate your excellent examples though. Thank you!
How are you finding this cool stuff?
I appreciate thay this video isnt jusy shitting on new music but rahte just giving some fun insight on 21st century music. Ill say I dont see muxh about your second point but youre third point is very much real and a big issues for fans of music right now. But to oute other two points, I seem so many intriguing records bekng released every week its jusy impossible to keep up with all the great stuff coming out, doesnt necessarily have to be all music released by a specific artist you like, now its more the time to listen to and enjoy as many new artists as you desire. Which I think its hoenstly a much better situation than being limited to fewer bands as people seemed to be years ago
I am Big Mountain Hodge and I write albums for listening pleasure. It’s a dead art, but I still love it.
i'm a teenager from Brazil, and can't really seem to understand why people like modern music so much. my favorite band is King Crimson, from the late 60's, and this progressive rock type of music just doesn't have much attention today. my personal teory is that most of the music genres (that were created at that time) have had their peak in the 60's - 90's. with prog rock, you have Pink Floyd, King Crimson, Yes, Gentle Giant, Zappa, and many other giants of the genre, but today you don't see any prog rock band/ artist rising to the top, because people nowadays want new genres of music, because we, in 2024, have a veeery different kind of view than people in the 90's. I came to the conclusion that, music created by 21th century artists is not bad, it's just for another kind of audience. your point about how albuns have decayed correlates perfectly with my teory. anyways, great video, really love your content. hope you make more videos soon.
Thank you for your comments! feliz ouvindo!
Recommended listen to Hellfire by black midi. Very Prog like. Only came out 2022
I've gone all in on Japan because they have made and are still making music in pretty much any genre you can think of. And they have a lot of this kind of stuff: ua-cam.com/video/6zoDnVvBEIo/v-deo.html
Kinda unfair to judge the ability to make songs by the output, we do say after all that we should prioritize quality over quantity, and it seems that Vampire Weekend made their best rated album with in a 5 year gap.
@@MintYukariFactory Thank you for the thoughts. I understand your point, which is a reason why I try to go out of my way to keep relative quality out of how I look at this. I believe opportunity simply yields results, particularly when an artist is hungry still. We will never know what Vampire Weekend, a band I picked nearly randomly, would have created if they had the opportunity to (write and) record a new set songs five or six times in their first decade as opposed to three times. I think it is pretty fair to wonder this tbh. And I feel this general decrease in creative cadence is a loss for a fans' connection to an artist - particularly from age 16-22 - and a loss for artists too. It's just my opinion! Thanks for watching
@@RobertsRecordCorner I don't think "what ifs" are an healthy view in art, sometimes it takes time to create an album plus, we could even make the argument that led zeppelin could have made even better music if they took time. AND I think there's a lot to do with experimentation, the Beatles were in a row because there was so much to explore. Genres that are basically less open for new ideas nowadays will need more time to make something original. Just look at RYM's best 2024 albums chart and you'll see that great albums are still being made, more or less experimental.
@@MintYukariFactoryI appreciate your points a lot. I really do. But I don't mind the question "what if" tbh. I think about a Jimi Hendrix/Miles Davis collaboration that might have happened for example. Anyway, I'm not sure I've heard this topic quite discussed like this before so tried to uncluttered my slow-boil feelings about it! I appreciate your responses
Good video. It just isn't profitable for musicians to make records anymore, they have to tour (maybe) too much to make ends meet, or not even that, &, as you said, albums are being culturally devalued, partially because you can listen to anything for "free."
I've been arguing since downloading began that it would lead to a dearth of supply in pop music. It took away the music industry's ability to charge exorbitant prices for copyright material. When demand plummets, so does supply
Good stuff. Is there a solution?
@@antoniopizarro7670 Say no to record companies and managers? Everyone can record anywhere. I love albums but maybe singles help? In between "albums" go and record a couple songs and release?
Interesting video thanks, could have done without the cutaway footage after almost every sentence!
@@keithbertschin1213 Thank you. It's hard to sort out how much b-roll to use. (Some viewers complain my face is in too much!) I tend to work on assumption people don't need/want to see me much and I use b-roll to quickly show what I'm talking about (aka 0:04 of Song etc). I dunno. It's all an experiment!
@@RobertsRecordCorner Thanks for the response. I don’t think it’s b roll per se. I often find those very quick jokey things too much, yeah one or two. Relevant and addictive b roll always welcome.
Also, you present well and no one is sitting there think we need to see less of this guy. What you’re saying is interesting and people focus on that.
Have subscribed as you have an interesting channel. Thanks
Music 'scenes' don't exist anymore ...mainly from socially isolating things like phones and 'social media'.. individuals are isolated ...even when at a show.. so sad
To top if off it must be easier to record an album today than it was in the pre digital days, and probably a lot less expensive. I really don't understand why they take so long to make albums, unless they don't think there's enough money in it anymore now that record/cd sales are so low.
I think it takes them a long time to come up with a rhyme for 'bitches', that's why.
We all want good music. Maybe the truth is bands, with extended tours and marketing previous works perhaps, are too stretched to write and to write well? Fans were conditioned to getting music a little more often, in most cases. Thanks for watching!
Great content! I agree 100% but, to be honest, I would be OK in a world where "Stairway to Heaven" didn't exist.
I've heard it way too many times too. But every now and then I re-realize its majesty! Thanks for the comment
@@RobertsRecordCorner I never got its majesty, always seemed sort of silly. Keep up the great work on the vids!
Like many other songs in the genre, I've been beaten over the head with it due to twenty years of having to listen to "classic rock" radio at work. (Thanks, WAPL) I never want to hear it again, just like...well, Bohemian Rhapsody makes me want to puke. So yeah.
Largely disagree. Observations 1. Music as a % of GDP or % of entertainment industry declined. it’s not profitable to make music and there is a certain level of brain drain 2. Main source of income for music industry is concerts now which is an inversion from the past aka singles EPs and albums are used to support concerts 3. Many iconic artists like Fiona Apple, Radiohead or Swans make music once every 5 years or more and they still move you 4. More recent artists such as Tyler the Creator or CharliXCX or are still making very interesting yet mainstream enough stuff for hype 5. Steaming music makes you able to conveniently stream a long tail of experimental, world music or ambient we wouldn’t have dreamt of during album era
I actually agree with all your points, so I'm not certain where the disagreement is necessarily. I still will have to be talked off my hill that having more music from more bands (in their prime), and not having to work 38.2 hours for a concert ticket, isn't a better thing for fans ultimately. I say nothing about comparative quality over the eras. Thanks for your observations!
Hmm, this is a somewhat interesting analysis but there are very specific reasons why the industry then and now yields contrasting results in terms of release schedules. There are other far more urgent and interesting points of discussion to be had when you factor in economical, cultural and social changes.
I have my own incredibly complicated theory as to why music sucks today. A) I'm old, and B) not enough cow bell. Thank you.
I think music went into decline when kids turned from drugs to video games for recreation.
I like your channel!
To me it seems that an album is made to support a tour and when targets are met everybody goes on a holiday. While in the 60-70-80's the tour promoted the album and was taken ar more seriously than the "copy & paste" we have nowadays.
There is so much good music being made every year. You are just not listening to it because it’s become harder to find stuff that isn’t pushed by majors
@@theactorjohnlarroquette I believe it. (I love Otoboke Beaver, if that counts.) But I tended to pick with similar type artists -- generally chart-makers and award-winners. Thanks for watching
@@RobertsRecordCorner but that’s just not representative of the current landscape. Things that are groundbreaking rarely get mass attention and if they do it’s often after they’ve already diluted their originality (sounds cliched but true to a large degree) I mean that’s been the case with almost every “independent” artist of the last two decades+
@@theactorjohnlarroquette I understand that the charts never tell the full story. I was a complete indie rock kid (we called it alt rock) from 1984 through Pavement. And would never have wanted my era to be defined by Cars, Van Halen, Police or Motley Crue or Alice in Chains frankly-- though I had albums by the first four. To your pt, "independent" bands, and the fringe in general, is the best way to skirt the "problems" I outline, reg access (ticket prices) too. Thanks for the comments!
@@RobertsRecordCorner good comparison I think you get where I’m coming from. Good places to start with at least American underground music during the mid 2010s were independent labels like Exploding In Sound and now something like Julias War out of Philly
The last 'album' I listened to was Beach House's ingenious release on youtube..'Once Twice Melody' . There is so much great music out there... just no one is really interested or invested in it like once before
Hi Robert; this is a great wise evaluation! It makes me gladder I grew up in the 1970s. I don’t deal with Spotify. I buy physical media. My current job pays me in CDs. I miss when songs were parts of sequencing and flow of sometimes conceptual albums.
Twice you said bands are "less assessable.” But assessing them is what you’re doing; you’re judging them. You didn’t pronounce the word as “accessible” like the capital graphics said. You left out the “k” sound. Have a nice day.
@@bobdavis4848 Thanks! I often talk fast and mess up words all the time. (i butchered "extra curricular" yesterday.) I tend to let 'em ride
@@RobertsRecordCorner No problem. "Extracurricular" is all one word. I think that's because it means outside of a realm, not an additional one of something. Thanks for the positive feedback!
While it's true that ppl might hear fewer albums from any individual band/artist during those pivotal years, I wonder if that's offset by the sheer volume of musical choice ppl are confronted with these days? You might have 15 "favourite" artists that you listen to and although each has a sparse release schedule, all of them combined provide a steady stream of new music. The quality of that music is of course up for debate.
The squandered creative potential point is an interesting one too. Could Radiohead, for example, have had twice as many great albums if they churned them out year on year or have they managed to preserve a level of quality, sanity and stability by not burning the candle at both ends? We'll never know I guess. You're also having to factor in things like diminishing musical returns as genres become saturated and stagnant because most of the colours on the creative palette have been used and reused ten times over.
I probably should have looked at Radiohead's discography more closely for this. To your point, I think the '60s and '70s rate was too much for bands. I think one album per 1.75 to 2 years is pretty perfect. It gives a chance for an early music fan to grow with an artist -- and keeps material fresher? Thanks for your comments!
I can't argue with any of this. I'd also say that the quality of music has gone downhill these days even though the young fans don't seem to care about that. But yeah, in every way the music industry is not the same as it used to be. Lousy economy and a less enthusiastic work ethic.
Rockenroll started out as a singles oriented animal. It didn’t really spurt into the album era until somewhere between Revolver and Sgt Peckers. So it has just returned to a singles oriented beast-mainly because so many albums were filled with filler. Filler did it. Plus failing record company support. If the band has to pay $250,000.00 to record an album, they are gonna procrastinate…I would. Otherwise searching for great songs is fun and rewarding. You’re No Rock ‘n’ Roll Fun. Sweater Weather. Destroy Everything You Touch.. The Less I Know The Better. Random Gorilaz. And…now we program ourselves.
Music will be less about consumption and idol worship (rock and pop stars took the place of priests and saints) and more about communal interaction. Artists will only be as good as allowing for audiences being a part of the initial creative process. Skills are still valued, but accessibility is what the Aquarian Age is all about.
I agree that modern pop isn't good, but in alternative and electronic music there are very much great things in modern music!
My friends all watched live concerts all through the 80s. My friends lived at home. I paid rent. I paid for therapy. I love the music just as much as they did, but there’s no way I was gonna buy a ticket.
You cant complain about the output of king gizzard or ty segall or deatHshroud. Of course those are exceptions. And billy eilish for 280 dollars???? Im shocked.
How much of this is that artist have to spend (or waste if you will) time creating content because either the labels demand it or if an Indie feel fans will abandon them if they don't.
All true but I could care less. I could only listen to albums that came out from 1960 to 2010 for the rest of my life and never run out of things I haven't heard before
I'm one of the rare ones in that at my age of 69, I'm still buying CDs. I'd buy vinyl but WTF? A record can be $50 and the CD for the same music is $20. As for concerts, the prices are stupid! $2,300 plus for Taylor Swift. Not that I'd want to go either. We used to be able to go to a local bar and catch a band but now more often than not, it's s DJ or karaoke. I used to play in bands for a few decades but now the bar owner wants to pay $100 for the whole band for a night, no free food or drinks either.
Then we get to the main artists out there and they aren't bands. Just a singer with some unknown faceless people. And none of them ROCK! It's all pop drivel. Even Coldplay are soft drivel, at least to me they are. Finding kickass rock is next to impossible unless you search on UA-cam.
Yes you sound old.Im 61 and I wish people my age would try and be more objective. Why is no one complaining about the death of 78rpm discs and the replacement of swing orchestras by small groups with amplifiers?
@@shadowstealer2790 Ha! I went out of my way to not make this about quality of music. And though my era of interest is pretty solidly 1965-85, I'm fairly open to diving into modern music too (I am enamored with Otoboke Beaver at the moment). Reg 78s, I think 33s positively impacted music, as I talk about. The concept of thematic albums emerged and (particularly) jazz bands were able to explore longer pieces less geared to primary melodies. Dylan might have something to say about hearing the negative impact of using amplifiers! Thanks for watching!
7:43 assesses bands - "they're not assessable" 😅
Albums don't sell as much today obviously. The Beatles and Led Zeppelin and the Doors didn't exist in the era of social media and streaming. It's not the same world and not the same industry anymore so any comparison on that terms is rather pointless.
@@idanwillenchik3050 Pointless is my middle name! jk, i think. Thanks for watching
Robert.....are you based in Montreal? Saw the Quebec flag on your wall (don't worry. I don't stalk!)
Everything was done in the 20th century, there is no more room for innovation. There are a lot of people trying to recreate the 60s, 70s and even the 80s, but there's always that feeling of deja-vu. By the way, I'm talking about rock music, pop music will always be pop music, I've never been interested in that.
Napster hurt the music industry by making music free. Radio stations are corporate and play the same old songs over and over.
@@camwatters-iz5bs I think that fact about radio really hurt potential growth isn't modern rock -- country radio is exact opposite!
@@RobertsRecordCorner that’s true now that I think of it
Your logic is faulty, or it just applies in your situation. I was an 80s kid who graduated HS during the grunge era. I enjoyed bands like Radiohead, but I rarely listen to them or other 90s acts any longer. Instead you'll find me usually listening to the 60s and 70s music I heard as a little one; my uncle spinning Isley Bros or Steely Dan vinyls. Or I listen to stuff like Tame Impala or Black Moth Super Rainbow.
Gotta hit the hook in 8 seconds or the listener is on to the next dopamine fix. That can't sustain for a full album, it's exhausting. Is the death of local live music related? I think so. How many hours did The Beatles spend playing to drunks in Hamburg before they were ready to produce their discography? That culture does not exist any more. Go to the local pub on a Friday or Saturday night and you'll be lucky to find a generic, geriatric oldies cover band (like mine, btw: have guitar, will travel!). Oh - not fair to compare contemporary output to Zep, they had the whole history of blues to ... borrow ... for their records.
@@billywright8252 Thanks for the comment. It was a little tongue-in-cheek comparing VW to LZ, I'll admit. The 0:08 hook is interesting. Fractal songs, song bytes may be our future. Just make 25 great seconds, with option of 40-second extension? Thanks for watching!
But quality over quantity, I mean, today's artists might not be pumping out as much music as the Beatles, but... they're.. OK, nevermind, you're probably right... 🤣
Lolol
There's nothing wrong with it all, it's utterly fascinating, but at the end of the day, you got to write stuff that the public's going to love
I'm off your lawn already, Jesus...
Never been called Jesus before.
The only thing I hear you on is ticket sales. but even then, you seem to be cherry picking from a sampling of (almost exclusively white) top 40 artists, which is what all of the videos like these do. Looking past the top 40 gives us a much different picture, even with regards to your ticket sales argument
I understand. Science of this could consume months of work I think. I tried to pick bands that are in the charts and winning awards now -- and generally did the same for the past decades too. The only exceptions perhaps are Sonic Youth and LCD Soundsystem, one from '80s and one from '00s. To me, bands and singers clearly make less music -- I think that's something music fans had as an advantage in previous decades. I'll probably die on that hill! Thanks for watching.
@@RobertsRecordCorner yeah man this is ultimately your opinion and what I found annoying was how you try to present this as scientific. Rather than presenting pseudo-scientific arguments I'd recommend doing some research into what makes modern music production nuanced and interesting, and why new artists prefer that approach. and for the record I like the music you idealize in this video as well
@@Nelward64 Unlike Guided By Voices, whom I adore, I never claim to be a scientist. Sorry you were annoyed!
What do you think about (what I consider) the lack of melody in today's music, I think melody pretty much disappeared.
I've thought about this at times, but don't know modern pop enough to really have an opinion!
@@RobertsRecordCorner Which music at all still has a melody that's old-school melodic?
I thought we'd have a discussion on this. Sorry if I gave you the impression that I was talking about 'modern pop' or that you knew enough about it :)
Who’s got time to make an album when you’re on the road touring all the time?
King Gizzard
Why not talk about the quality? I have seen it going down in 2016. Latin pop songs, charts music, indie and best albums were not the same anymore as last great albums currents and to kiss a butterfly. As if the songmaler that whispers somgs into musicans ears got less inspired. And also music even when its good like bony horsemN sounds over-eqed/ produced in a perfect but robotic way. I dont carr about frequency so much as thousands of albums are releSed every month and quality would go down if they try to be the beatles or zep.
@@Sharkwhisperer Quality absolutely matters. But think I do talk about it? A hungry band making an album ever 3.33 years in, say, its first ten years imo is missing some great songs. I realize this can never be proven. Thank you for watching.
Quality is a very interesting topic to talk about in these terms, but quality really is subjective. I love how RRC breaks down the more objective qualities about music.
@@chipdalby5925 Thanks! Said better than I could say it
First of all scientific studies have proven there is less melody in somgs of today. Second of all what makes talking about music interesting is because it is subjective. So that means you can make videos about it and discuss it. 1+1=2 is objective but fat less interesting. People dont watch fantano because he is objective for example.
@@Sharkwhisperer Big time. Subjectivity is the magic sauce. Maybe RRC will focus on that in a future video? I personally hadn't thought about the change in cadence of band's releasing new music before - so thought this video was pretty informative from that perspective. You mention scientific studies - isn't science inherently objective and not subjective? I may have that wrong though - but i like the idea of objective science shining a light on subjectivity.
Many more Boomers without screen distractions result in much more creative output.
People don't wanna talk about how Punk/Alt culture did a number on Rock music.
The moment regular bands had to worry about "street cred", "selling out", or being a "poser" it was over. Irony poisoning also takes the fun out of everything.
music today is crap cause the money isnt there anymore.
So young ppl don’t care. What can you do about it?
Let's change the world! I don't know. Make more graphs? Thanks for watching.
@@RobertsRecordCorner Sounds perfect for yoof engagement! Good luck mate
What you do is simply unfair. Different times, different conditions, you are comparing apples and ...giraffes. As a 72 year old music fan I am sure that nowadays bands and the whole music scene are of a great quality. You can't blame the musicians for their younger fans and their way of consuming music.
@@georgeickhoff3646 Apples and giraffes, my two favorite things! I understand your point, and I absolutely don't blame the musicians. I just think they are losing out on some of their potential creativity. Thanks for the comment!
Everything sucks now except diddy!
Drake also isn't a band....
True. I initially said "bands and singers" a lot but found it too cumbersome.
Taylor Swift is literally releasing an album in each second
And The Album is not dead at all,just a bit weaker than it used to be
And the 2020`s is the best music decade ever,so i disagree with you very much
@@BoynamedMagnus183 It feels like the 2020s is the decade of the woman artist. And it has been exciting to watch. Music feels more interesting now, for me, than most of this century at least. Thanks for the comment
@@RobertsRecordCorner What an Honor,i`m a huge fan of your channel!💝❤️💯👋🏻🔥
You have to remember we have had some great music news for male also like The Black Crowes releasing their first album in 15 Years called
Happiness Bastards(Released in 2024),and also the fact that Oasis just have reunited,and The Rolling Stones releasing their first studio album in 18 years called Hackney Diamonds in 2023,and Lewis Capaldi Releasing his best album to date which i love called Broken By Desire To Be Heavenly Sent,and it is a new Guitar Rock/Rock And Roll Band Movement in The UK slowly but surely emerging into the mainstream which is all male bands like:Paradise Row,Marseille,
The Rolling People,Cucamaras,Pastel and Afflecks Palace
So i think it`s not too bad for men either!(even though i agree with you that 2024 was the year of woman artist!)😊👌🏻🤘🏻💪🏻🔥💯💝❤️❤️💝👋🏻❤️💝
All I seem to hear is bass-heavy urban autotune nursery rhyme repetitive aggressive posturing SHIT (music). So there's that. Today's music seems increasingly to be created by, and especially FOR, non-music appreciative types. It's all about.......crap. Certainly not music. Heavy metal had this appeal, sure, but there were usually 3-4 guys who knew a little about playing an instrument ( Tommy Lee excepted). None of these rappers and hip-hoppers want to learn anything musical, it's just mass unconnected verbiage, bragadocio, and which beats to buy. It's sad.
Bob Dylan isn't a band ....
True. At least he played with The Band!
@@RobertsRecordCorner Did you see that Bob Dylan just released 27 discs of _an entire tour_ he did with The Band? _The 1974 Live Recordings._ I heard Ken Tucker's review of it on NPR. There's a lot of reckless power and soul going on, from what I've heard so far.
I imagine it could be educational for some of us who forget that it's okay to be spontaneous and stray from the "official" version of a song. Plus, it's valuable to hear a "bad" performance in the context of an entire tour, rather than an isolated clip on social media.
I don't really do streaming, so I'm curious how much of this behemoth set will make it to DSPs. Or will I have to start doing "reaction videos" to disseminate it? 😸
@@crnkmnky I did see that but didn't get it. I have every Dylan album but not keeping up with last few Bootleg Series. I've never been that fond of the '74 tour but maybe this would change my mind?
I can both agree and disagree.... the 21st century in American music is as bad as the 1990s. And worse.
But if you go outside the US there is so much more and better music than in the hey days of America's past.
Yeah this idea that less misuc is made now is crazy as there are more artists and fewer studios. LMAO quality is not quality...
I. The past bands chiuned out album after album but most of those had no hit songs and a bunch of junk fillers. Real inflation is not counted correct anymore.
You have crap tastes.
Let me give you bands that are musically great.
Aldious Dominator live Radiant A O East.
Lovebites Swansong live with Chopin Intro Five of a Kind.
Versailles Revenant Choir live.
BabyMetal Rondo of Nightmares with Mischief of the Metal Gods Intro.
Dragonforce Through the Fire and Flames.
Doll$boxx loud Tein Stars
Gacharic Spin Mindset live
Iron Bunny Twenty three 23.
Hanabie Run Away
Nightwish Ghost Love Score live Wakken
Jinger Pices live session
Band Maid Non Fiction Days
Scandal Shunkan Sentimental
Wagakki Band Synchronicity
Lovendor Coward
9 Mused Figaro
Stellar Fool
AOA Under the Streetlamps
Sistar I like That
EXID Night Rather than Day
Mamamoo Mr Ambiguous
All of these songs since 2010.
All bettter than anything From the USA
Thank you for the suggestions. I have greatly enjoyed Otoboke Beaver, Japanese punk band also!
No one is ruining music. I’m a music fan older than you bud. It’s fine. Stop being an old fart.
You’re comparing studio albums like the new model has to be like the old one.
Bands aren’t making as much music? What?! You’re saying that a limited number of bands aren’t outputting as much. And? You’ve got 1000x more bands with less individual output, but collectively making 100 times more music.
If you are stuck into the old days where you only follow a few bands and they have to output lots of content you’re done bud.
Get over it.
I deliberately don't talk about quality.I deliberately picked bands/singers that are popular in the charts. To me, it shows a very clear difference. I worry that fans cannot be as "connected" to artists when they have less chance to see them or see them grow. Doesn't seem that farty to me! Anyway, thanks for watching.
Stop with the meme clips, they are not funny or clever, just annoying......you're not a teenager!!!!!
Otherwise I like the depressing video
I'm still a teenager inside though! Thanks for watching.
What went wrong is that you got lazier the older you got. Great music exists, but you'll have to get off your useless ass and look forvit.
@@Stratmanable I made clear in video I was not talking about quality of music!