Dealing with Grain Overload in Lambs (BLOATED!): Vlog 108
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Last week I moved some 20 week old ewe lambs into a new pen. That new pen had a feeder.
That feeder had some feed in it from the previous group.
I figured they would be fine. I WAS WRONG.
If you've ever dealt with grain overload or bloat, you may relate to this one.
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Real respect for not hiding this. I can’t imagine how upsetting this was for her or how much sh*t she’s given for stuff like this. I think it’s vital to be honest when educating others or yourself
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That’s not all: Not only is the world passing away, but also the lusts of it. If you share the desires of the world, you will pass away. You will not only lose your treasure. You will lose your life. If you love the world, it will pass away and take you with it. Turn to Jesus now and repent of your sins, for there is life found in him and He'll never pass away
We always regret not listening to that little voice earlier. I'm a Vet, Actually what happens with grain overload it's an over production of gases but mostly acid in the rumen that attracts water from the body to the rumen, dehydrating the animal. Also some of the acid is absorbed into the blood, so it's a combination of dehydration and metabolic acidosis. I have my sheep here in Argentina, and what I do, depending on the case, is: if I know that some animals had eaten to much grain ( it happened to me that some sheep had scaped and went into my barn and found the corn) I separate them, and leave them with a lot of hey and water. I check them every half an hour.
If I found a sheep dull ( knowing that she could have eaten to much grain) I tube it, pass on some warm water and pump out the rumen content. I repeat this till the water comes out clean and put the sheep in a pen with only water. Next day tube a healthy sheep, pump out a quarter of litre of the rumen fluid and pass it to the sick sheep through a tube. This is important because when the rumen is washed, it losses all its bacteria and the sheep is not able to digest neither hay nor grains. Then I feed it hey and reintroduce grains very slowly ( a third of the total every week for three weeks)
If the sheep is too depressed, I wash the rumen and give it fluids intravenously using lactate ringer solution.
It's a laborious treatment, but very effective in my experience. All this if there is not a vet around (mostly with the sickest sheep that needs immediate treatment) just need to learn how to tube and pass intravenous fluids, it's not hard
Hope this is useful for you. Keep on your great job!
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What does it mean when it's said the sheep is depressed? It must be different than when we get depressed???
@@louann4992 yes, it's different. It means the sheep is dull, stays still or lays down, doesn't eat or drink
GOD is warning people of what they can't see and some listen but others don't. SO let this be your warning, Choose JESUS, repent and believe God so loved the world that he sent his one and only son to die for your sins so that you may be saved from eternal damnation and whoever believes in him will not die but have everlasting life. Nobody buys stock in a company that is sure to go bankrupt. Nobody sets up house in a sinking ship. No reasonable person would lay up treasure where moth and rust destroy and thieves break in and steal, would they? The world is passing away! To set your heart on the things of this world is only asking for heartache and misery in the end.
That’s not all: Not only is the world passing away, but also the lusts of it. If you share the desires of the world, you will pass away. You will not only lose your treasure. You will lose your life. If you love the world, it will pass away and take you with it. Turn to Jesus now and repent of your sins, for there is life found in him and He'll never pass away
I love how not only do you show the good day, and the bad days but how humble and how you admit on what you've done wrong. Then you show us how to try to correct it, cudos to you Sandi and ty for teaching us all.
Wow! Thanks so much for being humble enough to share. We can all learn from our own mistakes, but it's really helpful when we can learn from people who are brave enough to share their stories. Thank you! Hope the coming year is successful!
Thanks Heather!
My dad had a tool that he punched into the sheep and let the bloat out. I’m not sure of anymore than what I just texted. My dad grew up farming. He told me never to farm sheep. You love them and loose some to different issues. Plus they often need help lambing and it’s exhausting. But he did say that the little ones just run away with your heart because they are so cute. You do a hard job. And from what I’m watching you do it well. Oversights happen. I’m sorry for your loss.
I just watched that being done on the 1967 movie Far From the Madding Crowd. Had no idea!!
Rewatching this tonight! Lost a ewe earlier this week and went out today to find another not doing well. Realized it’s bloat due to bedding with a new straw bale. They usually have barley straw and this was oat straw. Tried all the things tonight to save her, so here is to hoping tomorrow she is doing better! Thanks for sharing this Sandi, raising animals isn’t always easy!
Thank you for the bravery in posting this. I know it wasn't easy
Needle into the rumen trick works great, it'll usually smell like she belched in your face when you do it right. Even prostrate sheep will literally jump up and run off relieved and happy, no other treatment necessary.
Maybe because even a large gauge needle is relatively small compared to internal organs, we never lost one when we perhaps 'did it wrong' and didn't hit the rumen just right.
Thanks! This seems to be a popular approach! I'll ask my vet to teach me the technique!
Where on their side is the best placement of the needle? What gauge needle do you recommend?
My father passed away when I was 11 doing that to a fresh 4-steer in the fall of 72 but we also used turpintine and water drench and a stick in the mouth cause they can't burp.
GOD is warning people of what they can't see and some listen but others don't. SO let this be your warning, Choose JESUS, repent and believe God so loved the world that he sent his one and only son to die for your sins so that you may be saved from eternal damnation and whoever believes in him will not die but have everlasting life. Nobody buys stock in a company that is sure to go bankrupt. Nobody sets up house in a sinking ship. No reasonable person would lay up treasure where moth and rust destroy and thieves break in and steal, would they? The world is passing away! To set your heart on the things of this world is only asking for heartache and misery in the end.
That’s not all: Not only is the world passing away, but also the lusts of it. If you share the desires of the world, you will pass away. You will not only lose your treasure. You will lose your life. If you love the world, it will pass away and take you with it. Turn to Jesus now and repent of your sins, for there is life found in him and He'll never pass away
I’ve had great success with puncturing the rumen with an 18 gauge needle with the syringe attached but plunger removed to let the gas out of the rumen. Granted I’ve only done it on goats but I figure it’s about the same. Sorry for your loss. Love your content lots of good info
Thanks!
After you let the air out, what do you give them to fix their gut biology? Mineral oil to make the grain go through fast, baking soda to cut down on the gas, a bit of dish soap helps break the foam, but then to get them out of the diarrhea loop a day or two later and to get their gut biology healthy again, what can we give them?? Has anyone tried Arrest, or should we not do that soon after a bloat?
Yes, this is how we seem to deal with cows around our area, not sure how it translates to sheep but would definately think it is worth some thought.
@@sandramurdock2073 my vet gave me antibodics and vit B shot and milk of madnesia, after they punctured the rumen an let the gas out of my goats stomach. that evening he was eating a little. Fine afterwards.
Thank you for sharing this. My 2 boys have a small flock and their breeding ram broke into the feed this summer. We tried all the same things you did and with no luck. They were so disheartened and felt terrible about it. Your video helped them to see that it can happen to anybody. All you can do is learn from it and move on.
One of my cows pushed her head through the gate into the feed bay where I kept several tons of range pellets. She lifted the gate off the hinges and the rest of the cows got into the feed. 1 died of overload and 15 were really sick. The only one without some scours was the one with the gate stuck on her neck. I had been planning to turn the top hinge on the gate so it wouldn't lift off. I got busy.
Its so frustrating when you know what you didnt get done causes havoc.
Lovely ewe lambs by the way.
TOTALLY!!!
This just happened to me this week.
I had a shortage in grain and stopped feeding the grain base diet to the sheep thinking that they could wait a week only on alfalfa and oated hay. Finally I gave them their diet the night before and guess what, the next morning 3 of them became bloated and 2 of them are now dog food. Strange thing is that I just woke up an saw your video right on top of the recommendation list, talk about synchronicity. I am taking your first aid recipe into my vet kit. Greetings from Mexico.
Agh! Just like me! I got a text literally the day before this happened about how to treat for bloat! Wish I had taken more time to really dig into it...
use any vegetable oil works like a charm, from one farmer to another you can use about 40ml
Sorry for your loss. It’s always a shocker when this happens cuz it progresses SO FAST. I don’t feed much grain but feed lamb grower pellets so haven’t had much of this type of bloating, but had LOTS of bloating of bottle baby lambs. Seems to happen to the biggest and fastest growing ones at the point where they’re still getting milk and eating lots of solid food. I usually feed high alfalfa hay and sometimes the combo of the milk and alfalfa triggers it in the bigger ones. Also found that milk made with powdered lamb replacer seems to produce more gas than real milk (I now use goat or cows milk or cut the replacer with real milk). Have had very little bloat in lambs since switching. I’ve tried commercial bloat medication, tubing the gas off, and rushing them to the vet. Nothing worked until I used the baking soda and water (usually tube fed). This is the ONLY thing that has worked for me. They will froth at the mouth as the soda seems to bind with the gas and brings it out of them (scientific explanation welcome).
What I found:
The real key is to treat them as soon as you suspect bloat.
They tend to bloat after the last bottle feeding of the evening.
You find them dead in the morning.
The baking soda works if you get it into them fast.
It’s far more common in sheep than goats.
Sorry I’m so wordy.
Thank you so much for this!!
the gases causing the bloat pushes the rumin against the lungs causing labored breathing that cause them to die. releasing the pressure will help in recovering .
I also tried tubing the lambs, a couple seemed to let out some gas, the others nothing.
when a lamb is very bloated tubing doesn't work too well because it is hard to direct the tube to the surface to release the gases. laying the lamb to its side for few minutes to allow the gas to the surface than piercing it you'll have better success.
@@munemrabadi4881 when you say "piercing it" do you mean puncturing the lambs stomach?
yes, to let all gases out. I have due to red clover.
When our calves bloated we would take a syringe with a big needle and take the plunger out of it. We'd find the stomic, between 2 ribs, and jabbed the syringe into it. The air would come rushing out. Boy did it stink, but the calf felt better and survived.
Oh Sandi, how terrible for you and the lambs. I realize this video is 2 yrs old but I just got around to watching it. You are doing so much better now.
Yes, that's the way it goes here sometimes too. I just keep it out free choice. Along with loose mineral...but you have all that in your TMR, and I am pasture based. You're doing a great job! I love your vlogs. Thank you for taking the time!
Thanks Mindy!!
Sandi, All said and Done, it is about the Animal, not our feelings. I have had to put down many of my hunting and farm dogs for various reasons. Best reason is super old age, but we don't get to choose. There is nothing more egregious in my book, than not doing the "Right Thing" for an animal, to appease our own silly guilt. Ya Dun Gud Goil!
Through out the self feeders a long time ago after finding 5 of my nicest lambs dead at the the waterer. Now we bunk feed 2 times a day, problem solved. May sound like more work but it's not compared to all you go through with a situation like yours. Love the way you keep your cool!!! I share and carry on and on, bothers me forever when we loose lambs. Keep up the good work!!!
Its ironic that these ewes were fed the way you describe as they are my ewe lambs... I moved them into this pen that only had a wee bit in the bottom of the feeder (guess there was more than I thought!).
Just started watching your vlogs. Thanks for keeping in real and honest.
Thanks for watching!!
We had a goat die of bloat as we were out of town and our neighbor was used to feeding horses, but we ended up saving one by using a 16 gauge needle to release the air from the gut just halfway between the last rib and the flanks on both sides. I almost had to do it all by myself today as we just switched from 3 string bales to 6 and my kids aren't used to the new measurement conversion. Luckily, she wasn't as bloated as I thought. I'm not sure if the trick works for lambs, though.
Dealing with this on my pricey goat buck right now. My vet said 1tsp baking soda drenched every 3 hours with some anti bloat or an oil to cut down foaming. I added penicillin to the drench and milk of magnesia. The acid in blood can cause neurological issues so she said injection of b complex or thiamine every 6 hours. You can also inject a pocket of sterile saline under the skin for dehydration. The rumen uses mostly gram negative bacteria and the acid producing bad bacteria is gram positive. penicillin kills mainly positive bacteria so given orally it can kill back the acid producing bacteria without killing all the rumen ones. A local farmer here just grabs fresh cud from another goat’s mouth and soaks it in water then drenches the sick goat to help re-inoculate the rumen. Day 3 and my buck is alert and eating hay now.
Thanks for posting this. Helps me remember bad days happen to us all.
They sure do!
So very sorry, Sandi. You’re human and sadly humans mess up sometimes. I know it hurts. Much love.
i cold not be a sheep farmer because i dont have the strength to cull or sent to slaughter the lambs or watch them die from many issues when there is nothing more you can do to help and when i watch the lambing seasons on channel every time a lost a ewe or lamb i get sad but im so in awe of you and all you do on your farm
That's where food comes from
I have used this routine quite often! I found some other stuff call Therabloat that is AMAZING! It will literally knock out bloat in 15 minutes! If you can get it, honey GET it! Love using it!
Thanks for the honesty Sandi. I lost 2 lambs this week. I’d changed their ration to a barley one & two were poorly after day 2. I tried drenching them with a baking soda mix but sadly it didn’t work.
Sadly, I wish I had talked to my vet as soon as I saw them looking depressed, but I was too embarrassed as I had done this before... He likely could have helped me rescue them. Still kicking myself for this one!
Ugh, Sandi....I’ve been there. Damned sheep. My ewe flock busted out and got into distillers grains a couple years back and I lost a bunch, super frustrating and disheartening!
So frustrating eh Lucas!! Ugh...
This can happen to horses too, if they get into the grain storage. A hell of a gut ache, and also laminitis in their hooves, damaging the connection between the hoof capsule and the pedal bone. Extremely painful and sometimes fatal, or permanent lameness. Awful for horse and owner.
I have been told to add Laundry detergent😲 to their drinking water and tube with the same to those who are not so good. It worked and out of 5 ewes I didn't lose a one. 🤷💁♀️🙆
I realize it sounds crazy but it works.
“I WAS WRONG!” 😂 seriously though this is stuff is so upsetting, especially when they’re in pain
I had a vet inject penicillin straight into one of my lambs gut. You can puncture the stomach to let gas out to. Mostly this is done in cows but it can save a sheeps life too. You can get a special knife and it actually has a kind of sheath that stays in and releases the gas. Probably requires vet assistance after though to close up properly. But as bloat happens fast this can save a life.
Total bummer! Sorry that happened. Tfs though. Stay safe. 🙏
Thank you for being so open and honest in everything you do. I've been watching your channel for a while now and I am so inspired and slightly in awe of your resilience and willingness to always want to learn and better yourself.
I'm no farmer by any means but I've read and seen people tubing a calf with bloat to release some of the pressure in the stomach. Would that not ease that symptom and give them a little longer for the other medications to work??
I have absolutely no idea if it would work but who better to ask than you!! X
I keep a supply (1 gallon jug) of Bloat Eze on hand for just such occasions. Baking soda doesn't really work as a treatment, it is more of a prevention to leave out free choice during periods of grain transitions.
Yes! Unfortunately, found that out the hard way... LOL
What is in the Bloat Eze?
@@sandramurdock2073 Emulsified solution of Dioctyl Sodium Sulfosuccinate USP, in the flavour of Peppermint.
C Renaud Ii
let me give you a tip Sandi
anytime you have this problem with any of your sheep just get a bottle of 7up or canada dry and give it to them, let them drink it all and watch them get better, you will hear them burping like they gonna make you laugh.
remember, you lift their head and empty it all cuz they won't drink it on their own.
there aren't many people know about this.
this works for goats too
best of luck
cking_closure I always believe gold reside in the comments section......this is gold,thanks Bro!
Love your Cody the Cow Vet hat 🙋🏻♀️ !
I had goats and had only 1 instance of bloat. It wasn't bad and was able to handle it with just massaging the rumen. She was also pregnant! When you pulled that very sick ewe up to a sternal position I was cheering as with goats laying on their left side is bad for the rumen.
Was that a Cody Creelman toque you were wearing ??? Awesome.
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You bet!!
Would have been a great time to have a guess spot for Cody Creelman, the Cow Vet to explain bloat. :)
I AGREE!!!
Shit happens to all of us. Don't beat yourself up. Put on your Big Girl Pants, learn from the past and think positively ! Bulldog
LOL! Awesome...
I had no Idea that sheep are definitely a whole lot of work!!!
I used to use a device that you punched into the rumen and the nastiest smelling gasses resulted but they survived.
It might sound cruel or severe but the best chance for them is to use a large needle to release the gasses from the rumen and follow up with baking soda and liquid paraffin this is what I use to cure mine and I should know I did the same thing in my first year with sheep
Thank you!
How do you find the rumen on sheep? I have a wether right now I need to try this on. I administered baking soda/water/oil slurry, but he's not improving. Will a 3/4" long needle even reach?
Carla Parsons about the with of your hand back from the ribs and just above the middle of there belly, needle length is not essential but I would recommend a heavy gage needle
Thank you so much for answering. Very helpful! We tried it, but aren't sure we stuck the needle in the correct location. No gas heard. So hard to see the bloating under his fleece. Lid to chicken grain was open when I found him. He has froth at the mouth, labored breathing, but will get up and walk around and perks his ears when he hears the chickens or dogs nearby. It's going to be -16 C tonight. I hope he survives. @@shanemurphy277
I just watched sheep being treated for bloat by stabbing a straw-like tool into their stomachs in the 1967 movie “Far from the Madding Crowd”. 😳😳😳😳
This reminds me the time when i was about 15 and i forgot my guinea pigs outside and it rained during the night, next morning they were all floating drowned, my female had just given birth to two colorfull babies, the memory of it still haunts me till this day :(
Izi de Oliveira im so sorry this happened to you.
In this situation I have given the antitoxin. Pen G SC as well as orally. If the animal is easily sat and held on its rump, I do this for as long as I can to let as much air out as I can. Enterotoximia kills fast. Its how we learn Sandi. Sometimes the hard way, with livestock that always seems the way it happens. Vets are not always available when we need them.
We keep sodium bicarbonate out free choice at all times. They eat it if they need it. I've also put a tube down to release gas. It's carry over from dairying. I'm so sorry. It's always the good ones.
Wish I had the sodium bicarbonate before hand... never have it when I need it, and when they are still willing to eat. Problem with when I caught this, I couldn't get them to eat it... Tried the tube too, but just no luck in this case.
You also need to burp them after you give Sodium Bicarbonate, (very important) this means you need to lift their front legs up (so that they are sort of reaching up, persist, you will hear them belch ) it is quite physical but do-able! this will bring up the gas in their tummies (it is very important to get that gas out) and repeat this often over hours. I haven't lost one yet.... So, Bi-carb first then burp, repeat, repeat, repeat till they seem settled.
I am actually treating one right now for grain poisoning and a friend of mine told me to use bicarb of soda mixed with water I have done this on a cow and it has worked wonders so fingers crossed
Thanks so much for sharing this! You are so helpful. Greatly appreciate it.
Sharing is caring... LOL
I like the way you take responsibility without assigning responsibility to anyone else. It makes healing a lot easier I think. It's not a good feeling, but it happens and that's part of the business I'm sorry to say. Try not to ruminate over😏 it. I wish the humans in my world were willing to take responsibility so humbly
Leave it to our animals to find that which you wish they wouldn't have found... We try so hard to control every particle and second of their movement and environment... kind of why animal husbandry is as much an art as it is a science, in spite of all we are told. Practise takes a lifetime to perfect.
but i thought grain was part of their feed. still dont get how it just kills them
Oh yes….I remember my moms rotors of having to stick bloated lambs. 😞
The fans are LOUD!!
When I had goats we kept baking soda out/ like a mineral and they self medicated.. Would this work with goats? LOL of course with your herd that would be a LOT of baking soda.. My Goat ate it weekly. Be gentle with yourself on human era, we are HUMANS :( we do what we know till we know better.. still sucks and hurts
That’s how I feel after eating too many carbs…….
so sad see it happen seeing them die before your eyes and knowing did treatment to late
Baking soda and water - has this ever been used on dogs? Example.. Great Danes and Dobermans can get this if they eat or drink hard after working hard (exercise). I wondered if just baking soda and water would help these breeds with this method. Most of us don’t have penicillin on hand but we might be desperate for a quick help before we can get our dog medical treatment. In 3 decades we’ve never had this with our dogs (praise God!) because I’m super strict on their daily routine. But if this could help others that run into an emergency situation.. could it help them?
Don't forget to push in, up and around (massage) that air out! Frequently!
Stuff happens. We do our best and learn from our mistakes. We haven't had this happen yet, but I could write a book on all of the other fun stunts our sheep try to pull on us. ;-)
We no longer try to save a sheep that is down on their side like that. It never, ever works, they will die anyway. It just causes them more stress and is a poor use of resources. If they go down and can't get up within the day, we go ahead and euthanize. No more stressing/drenching/medicating (for both you and the sheep, ha) and dragging out suffering for days.
Unfortunately, you're right. I think if I had treated them when they first started looking sluggish, I may have been able to save more.
Shit will happen. It sucks but look at how well the rest of your operation is running. You're a true steward (-ess?). There are many folks that will learn from this video too. I know you have put this in the back of my mind now.
I think thats why I posted it... The first thing I do (and I shouldn't, I should call my vet FIRST) is google everything! I wanted to share a video where people can at least see what not to do and a reminder to call their vet ASAP. Happens so fast!
@@SandiBrock truth
Sandi.
Thank You very much for the video. Take Care, You Are great person and all of use make mistakes. You are very truth full Persons good, bad, ugly or what ever comes down the pike you show use out in the many viewers will not make that same booboo.😁
Just give them kooking oil its helps to get rit of the wind inside them
Hi sandi its Tabish from pakistan when we have blowing problems we give use mobile oil about 5cc and we have seen magical results try that next time you can take it out from any engine
so sorry about your lambs it bad but you have done your best thats all anyone could do
there is something called bloat-eze you can get in either in a 4L or 340ml containers only know this from my mom before she got out of sheep
It can happen so easily and quickly. It's happened to us with the fats. One year dad thought he'd be nice and roller mill some grain. That was a bad bad morning after
Happens SO FAST! The first day they were quieter than usual, and a bit lethargic. Second day, down. Should have treated sooner...
Seems we always think there's no major rush, we'll keep an eye on them. Ah well, live and learn. Most importantly: don't beat ourselves down for making a mistake, or mistakes(if it's me especially!), just press forward. Have a happier day!
@@-tranch5569 Thank you for this note.
That sucks royaly so sorry! I've been there once with one of our ewes.
Thanks! Ugh. so disgusted with myself!
I have bought my Lambs back from bloat with a pro biotic and instead of Penicillin which is very rough on Sheep I use Bayatril 10% 1 ml per 40 lbs for 5 days and have bought them back from the brink.
Awesome! I've since sat down with my vet and discussed a WAY better strategy than the one I did here... so hoping that 1. I don't screw up again, and 2. I don't wait to try to fix the problem! I'll ask him about Bayatril 10%, I'm not familiar with that.
@@SandiBrock Yes that is the key to immediately work on them. Thanks for response you can check out little farm on UA-cam BORS Ranches.
Interesting. Do you use a powdered probiotic?
@@hughmarcus1 no I use a paste I get from premium one.
So that's what bloat is? I didn't know that it was grain overload
Thank you for trying
Just a thought on bloat i had a cow that was chronic and one day i had the vet out he suggested a magnet. the thought was when you're sick it hurts to cough image a animal with a sharp object inside and it will fight the reflex to cough. That cow never bloated again i have used this several times and i don't know if it will work on sheep and in your case unfortunately on grain bloat it won't but something to keep in the background for a chronic.
Take care
This question comes from reading a lot of James Harriot.
Do you call a "Knacker Man" when a recently healthy sheep dies? Or can you harvest the meat when it dies from bloat? How do you dispose of a large carcass?
well shit... I hope everything turned out for you Sandra.
Thanks!
That's heartbreaking to see
Sorry it must be difficult for you. Accidents happens at least know you know
Love your hat, sorry you had a crap day
Thanks! Fellow UA-camr Cody Creelman Cow Vet's merch!
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Metacam is comparable to advil in pain relief, so I'm curious how much pain relief it would offer to the animals in this state. I use sodium bicarb pills for my acid reflux. It's the only thing that works well.
Hey I know that hat! Cody Creelman Cow Vet.
Sorry if the question is insensitive, but if they die to this and aren't left out long, is the meat still any good or does it become unsafe?
A sheep I’m watching ( for a friend I’m not a sheep person ) got about 4-6 extra bites on top of his regular grain today. Is he at risk of bloat?? I really know NOTHING about sheep so I’m worried about him. I came out 5 hours later and he’s standing up and moving around. I didn’t see him drink water or poop but he wasn’t laying down and I couldn’t view him from the back because he’s still scared of people so he would just bolt
Bloat is not an infection. Why the antibiotics?
Because it kills the bacteria producing acid and gas
can you not tube them into there ruman to release the bloot like we do with steers, bulls and cows, when some get into feed, (grain) i have to tube a few times a year as you get a few that hog the grain and head butt other off? i have even had to cut them open, on some that just keep reblooting, to let the presser steady let out
I tried tubing also. In these cases, it was all just too late.
Those are some very sad ears 😢
Sandi, remember if farming was easy everyone would do it! Sucks that you have put so much work into them and this happens! I would go by a lottery ticket cause you have used up all your bad luck today!:)
Thanks Joe. It sucks... and I know better. Double Whammy!
Okay so I got so confused when you started talking about bugs and feeding them grain I'm so confused
So not actual bugs... the rumen's microbial function works like a machine... the "bugs" are the microbes that are working to break down and digest the feed... but when the lamb overloads, those microbes explode in population and thats what causes the excess gas and bloat... (I've probably totally messed that up, but thats kind of how I learned it! LOL)
Okay so for feeding time, I'm brand new to this I haven't got any yet I'm still studying from you and a couple other places that our backyard farmers . Do you only give them alfalfa hay and Timothy Hay cuz those ones are supposed to be like rich in flavor or something like that and vitamins. So how often do you give them pallets and corn and stuff like that so that way they don't get that bloating issue ,is it only once a week?
I dont know much about sheep, but in my limited experience with goats, serious cases of bloat call for an emergency rumen puncture. Theres still risks with this; the half digested material can cause severe infection in the wound. As for the stomach bugs, overload of these often cause enterotoxeamia..needing CDT antitoxin. Hope this helps...and im so sorry for your loss!
(PS: have you ever tried simethicone for bloat? Its the stuff in human gas medicine...and it works fast for goats...
Hi Sandi! I'm backwatching ur vids and found this. My baby lamb has scours and I don't know what to do. Could you please tell me the proportion of the baking soda to the water? And is it safe to give it to the kid?
Miss Sandi, What do you do with the dead, cremate or bury
Hi! I am a new hobby farmer an I was wondering if I let my sheep eat the grass (hey for the winter), and only let them eat grain for treats. How likely will Blot happen? And often. (2 sheep only pets) sorry if this seems dumb. (Have not started yet. Doing research first)
anytime you introduce a new feed, it has to be done gradually. Bloat comes when they gorge on something too fast for their rumen. So if you give them "treats" just make sure its small amounts that you control. Never free fed unless they are used to it.
Ok! Thank you very much! This helps!!!
I never knew this could happen.
Is there no way to puncture their stomachs to release the gas???
Puncturing works. Not a nice job but it works.
Don't beat yourself up lass, sometimes we have to say that we have learnt a lesson. You did say it. Now, breathe.
Do you give CDT vaccines to help prevent overeating disease?
Is that a clostridial vaccine? I used Tasvax on this group, but still died.
Yes, it is a vaccination for Clostridium perfringens type C + D and tetanus. You give lambs 2 doses 3 weeks apart and then boost once a year, 1 month before lambing.
Do they die from the gas, or do they die from the messed up stomach biology? I lost a 4-week old bottle lamb today, on Easter Sunday it got a bit too much of the older lamb's "show Lamb" feed. I tubed it to let out some gas and saved it last Sunday. I got enough mineral oil and baking soda into it that the bloat went away and it pooped it all out. But then it just drank water too much over the last 4 days and it fell over dead today. I opened it up, I needed to learn, and its stomach was full of gas, but not so much that it would block the lungs, and the intestines were all very very full of clear green liquid. No grain in there anywhere. And it didn't poo anything in the last 24 hours? I washed it off last night so I could see if it still had diarrhea, this white lamb was all clean today when it died? Any ideas anyone? And where is the best video explaining bloat and how to treat it after you get through the first day successfully?
I think in this case it was grain overload... but I didn't open them up to give you a concrete answer of it was gas or not. When they died, they had foam come out of their mouth and nose which is usually a good sign of excess gas...
@@SandiBrock 1/4 to 1/2 cup sunflower oil does the trick it stops the foaming. had a bloated sheep gave sunflower oil 5 min later bloat was gone
I lost most of my replacement lambs this spring because of the same thing. Sucks.
Still kicking myself on this one. I saw that feed, and just didn't think it would be enough to cause issue. I guess even a little is a lot when only a handful of sheep are eating it!
What do you do with the sheep who die? Just wondering, if you use them and/or donate them.
What a terrible day.. so sorry.
It was... but always learning.
So sorry
Hi sandi Brock! I have a Question. If I have my replacement ewe lambs out on unlimited pasture and I have them on a creep feeder will they get too fat?
Grain OOOOOver-lOOOOOD