I'm a retired engineer here in the US. There is no excuse for trains to stall. There should have been a helper consist on the rear to the top of the grade.
Retired by choice. Railroads load down the engines on grades not taking into account any failures. The Santa Fe was good for that. Stalled a lot on grades out of Denver. Either double the hill, or just reduce tonnage. And, yes, we do know the difference, thank you.
@@gordonvincent731 Thanks Gordon. I think I understand what you're saying. In this rare case a failed locomotive caused the train to stall on the hill. The train wouldn't have stalled if the locomotive hadn't failed, so it's a break-down surely, not just a stall. (It would be very expensive to put helpers behind goods trains on this hill just in case of a rare loco failure). I guess it's a balancing act in the end - spend mega-bucks on helper-engines and fuel, or expect expensive locomotives not to fail.
@@anml4676 The Southern Pacific over Tehachapi would put all kinds of power on the head end and mid-train. On the other hand, the Santa Fe would go without a helper, to the last ounce! They would play the odds and get off on the cheap. I worked freight for 12 years and 24 years with Amtrak, I don't miss it.
@@gordonvincent731 Road freight in Australia for me, a few years of interstate. I used to envy the train drivers not having to deal with road traffic, although when you blokes encounter road traffic it's often in a bad way. As a kid I liked to watch the old Alco's powering up the steep hill towards Mt Lofty (Adelaide S.A.). There's something about big hard-working engines. You'd be a steam buff too?
I work heavy grade territory. When we check the paperwork it's this simple: If you have an EMD in your consist, be it an SD70m or 70Ace, circle it. Because THAT is the pile of shit that is going to breakdown on you. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Now, maybe in Australia, you still run the _good_ EMD's. But don't let the foamers fool you, we (in the US) were still in Vietnam the last time EMD produced a good locomotive. I mean, I've had 6 C45 AC's pull 13,000 tons in pouring rain up 2.6 - 2.8% around 12-14 degree curvature at 1 mph and they didn't even slip. I've also had 2 SD70M's pulling 1,800 tons in the middle of summer, dry rail, stall going flat out. EMD's can't hold the rail. Even running lite, you gotta wonder if you're going to make it.
I have a lot of respect for American diesel locomotives and thought that all modern EMD diesel locomotives are excellent. Exhaust without smoke. Our old Russian diesel locomotives with two-stroke diesels (copies of the American Fairbanks-Morse 38D 1/8") smoked like a fire.
18:28 That is an awful lot of smoke coming from the rear wheels of CSR 101 - I can't make out the unit number because it is blurred out by movement - at least I think it's 101, it's coming from the trailing bogies of the last locomotive in that lashup at the front of that consist. That doesn't seem normal to me, looks like a brake setting was set wrong or something. That's the type of smoke you'd get from friction not from something burning.
It didn't break down. Look at all the people in the rail corridor Just didn't have the guts to get up the hill To the oerson filming keep the camers still
There is the problem. 3 CSR's and only 2 SCT's. At least they didn't have a fuel gen to add to the constant break downs. Regular maintenance would alleviate many of these main line failures.
@@gordonvincent731 I know that EMD locomotives are the Best and Powerful in Nature, mainly those 710G monsters... In India, we have GT46MAC (4000 HP), GT46ACe (4500 HP) and JT46ACe (Dual Cab 4500 HP) locomotives for Freight Service. For Passengers, we have GT46PAC (4000 HP) and again its respective GT46ACe (4500 HP) and JT46ACe (Dual Cab 4500 HP) locomotives.. India also has EMD GT50AC, that uses a v20-710 G3B-EC, based on SD80MAC, but produces 5500 HP, unlike original SD80MAC that has only 5000 HP...
I'm a retired engineer here in the US. There is no excuse for trains to stall. There should have been a helper consist on the rear to the top of the grade.
So, some U.S. train engineers don't know the difference between a stall and a break-down then. Retired by choice?
Retired by choice. Railroads load down the engines on grades not taking into account any failures. The Santa Fe was good for that. Stalled a lot on grades out of Denver. Either double the hill, or just reduce tonnage. And, yes, we do know the difference, thank you.
@@gordonvincent731 Thanks Gordon. I think I understand what you're saying. In this rare case a failed locomotive caused the train to stall on the hill. The train wouldn't have stalled if the locomotive hadn't failed, so it's a break-down surely, not just a stall. (It would be very expensive to put helpers behind goods trains on this hill just in case of a rare loco failure). I guess it's a balancing act in the end - spend mega-bucks on helper-engines and fuel, or expect expensive locomotives not to fail.
@@anml4676 The Southern Pacific over Tehachapi would put all kinds of power on the head end and mid-train. On the other hand, the Santa Fe would go without a helper, to the last ounce! They would play the odds and get off on the cheap. I worked freight for 12 years and 24 years with Amtrak, I don't miss it.
@@gordonvincent731 Road freight in Australia for me, a few years of interstate. I used to envy the train drivers not having to deal with road traffic, although when you blokes encounter road traffic it's often in a bad way. As a kid I liked to watch the old Alco's powering up the steep hill towards Mt Lofty (Adelaide S.A.). There's something about big hard-working engines. You'd be a steam buff too?
There's no brake down. The brakes seem to be holding. Looks more like a breakdown to me
6MP9. Means. 6 is day of the week the train departs , 6 is Friday. MP is Melbourne to Perth. 9 is an SCT service
I know
I never knew what the last digit was. I read somewhere that it was the # train running that service but I never really believed it. Thanks
I'd love to see this guy walk the length of his train in the dark, talk about a cardio waiting to happen.
I'm not a big fan of the CSR locomotives but anyway great video.
I think I counted 83 wagons, long train. I used to go to their Parkes depot.
MY GOD THIS VID GOT POPULAR, 86 LIKES WHAT!! I WISH EVERY VID THAT I UPLOAD GOT THAT MUCH!!
That's well videod Tim nice timing
Thanks
I work heavy grade territory. When we check the paperwork it's this simple: If you have an EMD in your consist, be it an SD70m or 70Ace, circle it. Because THAT is the pile of shit that is going to breakdown on you. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Now, maybe in Australia, you still run the _good_ EMD's. But don't let the foamers fool you, we (in the US) were still in Vietnam the last time EMD produced a good locomotive. I mean, I've had 6 C45 AC's pull 13,000 tons in pouring rain up 2.6 - 2.8% around 12-14 degree curvature at 1 mph and they didn't even slip. I've also had 2 SD70M's pulling 1,800 tons in the middle of summer, dry rail, stall going flat out. EMD's can't hold the rail. Even running lite, you gotta wonder if you're going to make it.
I have a lot of respect for American diesel locomotives and thought that all modern EMD diesel locomotives are excellent. Exhaust without smoke. Our old Russian diesel locomotives with two-stroke diesels (copies of the American Fairbanks-Morse 38D 1/8") smoked like a fire.
Wow that's 1 long train !
Jesus those brakes were down for ages. Is that a common problem ?
Nice vid Tim, almost 200 SUBS SO CLOSE
I know!
Strange seeing clean locos. They are usually different shades of black.
18:28 That is an awful lot of smoke coming from the rear wheels of CSR 101 - I can't make out the unit number because it is blurred out by movement - at least I think it's 101, it's coming from the trailing bogies of the last locomotive in that lashup at the front of that consist. That doesn't seem normal to me, looks like a brake setting was set wrong or something. That's the type of smoke you'd get from friction not from something burning.
I think you would find it sand being put down for traction.
@@wileecoyote1362 I wondered if it was sand.
Clown it was wheel spinning Jackass
What brand of loco is that on the head end?
CSR class
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CSR_Ziyang_SDA1
It didn't break down.
Look at all the people in the rail corridor
Just didn't have the guts to get up the hill
To the oerson filming keep the camers still
Good catch, but some serious video editing required.
hughvane, i'm happy he left it all in. i have a fast forward button on my device and havent used it.
Crikey hell,this should have been a 5 minute video.
yea
Now if you just tuned in at 1:54 it looks like the guy is relieving himself, he also looks very unfit for a young man.
yea
Why are you watching for someone to take a piss wanka.
dont make fun of people you see on my channel.
Tim's Trains I actually know the person and he is not a young man he is about 50 so
There is the problem. 3 CSR's and only 2 SCT's. At least they didn't have a fuel gen to add to the constant break downs. Regular maintenance would alleviate many of these main line failures.
EMD GT46AC's !!
Good, nothing but the best. The locomotives I prefer to run anywhere, on any train.
@@gordonvincent731 Ow Really ! Sorry ! It's both GT46AC and JT46AC. Remember that there were some Dual Cab Locomotives...
@@srivenkatvidyasubramanian6348 Thanks once again for your kind reply. They're still the best, EMD.
@@gordonvincent731 I know that EMD locomotives are the Best and Powerful in Nature, mainly those 710G monsters...
In India, we have GT46MAC (4000 HP), GT46ACe (4500 HP) and JT46ACe (Dual Cab 4500 HP) locomotives for Freight Service.
For Passengers, we have GT46PAC (4000 HP) and again its respective GT46ACe (4500 HP) and JT46ACe (Dual Cab 4500 HP) locomotives..
India also has EMD GT50AC, that uses a v20-710 G3B-EC, based on SD80MAC, but produces 5500 HP, unlike original SD80MAC that has only 5000 HP...
@@srivenkatvidyasubramanian6348 Someday when I get some real money, I would love to go there!