The David Cage Saga - Part 1: Indigo Prophecy & Heavy Rain
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If David cage would direct an actual movies it'd be all random people doing menial day-to-day things that don't matter like getting dressed and playing basketball in the snow
No joke, I'd watch that, it would probably be a nice change of pace from constant, ubiquitous hollywood remakes of much more successful films from 15-ish years ago.
@@basedbattledroid3507 No
1:05:45 I don’t think any normal woman would feel horny after nearly get raped 2 times in span of a day. Not even to her own husband. And to make it worse, Ethan is not even her friend, just a stranger.
Exactly David is such a bad writer lol
Lol, read like a troll comment but came from a video trashing one of his games. So I knew better these games are that bad
you see its a trill seking thing. she has the fetish of getting into situations were she could be raped and then when she gets out of them. has consentual sex with a stranger to spit on the rapits. is the only way this makes scence
Idk man women are weird and have really weird fantasies
Now, if it actually happened? Different story.
Fun fact you can flat out just skip the doctor Madison scene. If you don’t drink the drink and look for the card in his room then leave you just end the scene making the fight in the basement while neat that it’s optional I guess just makes it pointless. It’s just a Rapey fight scene to have a fight scene
Bruhhhhhhh
Well, in these games they exist in a world where women are under constant threat of sexual assault. The Big Rape is out there, it lurks everywhere and it will strike when least expected, egads! But, women also are very resourceful in any situation that demands use of their sexy wiles that endow them with the art of seduction. Otherwise, I assume they are sweeping something up or cooking. Quantic Dream games really have their finger on the pulse of nuance in human behavior.
I wish David Cage would make a game starring Nic Cage. I'd buy that no matter how bad, because it would be hilarious!!!
@Fabian Capelli
Or "Cage & Cage: Uncaged"
I would pay money to see that.
This is something I never knew I needed !
Just go watch "Color Out of Space". It has Nic Cage, and the plot, direction, and tone is something David Cage would go for.
I was an extra in The Knowing, that film felt like a Quantic Dream game except far more boring
Don't forget the fact that Lucas is LITERALLY DEAD by the moment he hooks up with Clara. By her own words, he was as cold as ice. She had sex with a cold corpse and conceived a baby from it!
I think the problem with the Heavy Rain is that the game is actually not complete. There are really a lot of moments that should be explained but they are not. Maybe the just wasn't have the time to complete it...or money?
What do you mean?
They thought Heavy Rain is too resembles with Fahrenheit so in 2008 they drop that supernatural concept, but they were too lazy to rewrite the story, that's why Heavy Rain has so many plot holes
@@v-trigger6137 Yeah it was going to have like a psychic link between Ethan and the killer? Which was kinda dropped so there are plot holes.
@@usul573 yup. Ethan blacks out and that has a lot of cut content associated with it. The scars run deep
@@v-trigger6137 the most unrealistic thing is that a fat guy like Scott managed to set a trap in the tight space like in “the butterfly”
I literally fell out of my chair when they brought up the AI's in Indigo Prophecy. This plot was already going off the rails and then they add robots.
13 years before Detroit Become Human aka Dickroit Become Retarded.
97Orochi the Demonic Angel97 SSJ no
Jaysus they really threw everything at the wall in that game
When you think about it, David Cage is Tommy Wiseau of videogames. Only because of the generally good visual polish, the society hasn't caught up to the fact that Cage's games should be perceived as funky comedies.
Semyon Galtsev Especially Fahrenheit. I'd love to see Tommy Wisseau doing a film adaptation of it.
@@basedbattledroid3507imagine Tommy Wiseau as Ethan Mars, it’d make the running around shouting “Jason” and “Shaun” even more hilarious
nah. i would compare him more to cristopher nolan
They way I look at it is: David Cage has all the ambition of Hideo Kojima, but with the writing capabilities of a horny, egotistical, self-insert fan fiction writer. I don't know whether to laugh at the fact he's managed to become a renowned mad genius, or cry at the amount of people he's fooled...
@@dons4655 absolutely agree. Or he just needs an editor.
But Kojima maybe worse and more overrated then David Cage
@@dons4655 I wouldn't say Kojima has bad writing
He is predictable but I want to try indigo but heavy rain is shit but I think Detroit is damn fine even though it's predicable the characters are written well enough especially Connor and Hank the rest is just Trite
What
Actually i think bigger issue with park scene is that cop still recognizes Lucas even though he wasn't even looking at Lucas nor saw him exit. He even recognizes you even if you exit through back door. But of course, with David Cage's writing he can't keep anything consistent.
He has x ray vision idk lol
I mean that kinda wouldn't be issue because cop was there when Lucas was eating , before Oracle arrive
@@alaa3889 And yet didn't find anything suspicious about Lucas when he entered the stalls until he finds a dead body. And if you exit through back door, he is not even looking at Lucas.
Man, it really makes this vid even funnier the way that cop walked in to the detective's office to tell her, "That killer guy, I actually didn't arrest'em when I had the chance. Crazy, right?! Anyway, sorry 'bout that." LOL Reckon in the law there's a clause somewhere stating that any crimes of doing a little murder is automatically cancelled out if said individual proceeds to save someone's life. I mean, the dead murdered person is still very much dead, but eh waddaya gonna do!
omfg i was laughing so hard at 39:31 XDD "Ever wanna see David Cage get grinded on by his own character in her underwear?" XDD
Who doesn't
This is how my first and only attempt at playing Indigo Prophecy went:
"A murder mystery with supernatural elements? Sounds right up my alley! Let's give it a try!"
(Modifies settings and starts game)
"Hi, I'm David Cage, writer and director of Fahrenheit!"
"Oh, FUCK YOU!!!!"
(Immediate Alt+F4)
“When you play dark soul, you become the dark soul”
-John Darksoul
DETROIT: BEYOND HUMAN starring David Cage himself, coming soon.
I remember absolutely loving heavy rain when it was new. I reccomended it to my friends, I even tried to convince my mom that I'll play it for her so she'd get to watch the "epic" crime drama unfold. Until a couple of years later I decided to play it again I started thinkin' "Wait what? This... Was this game really this boring and dumb??"
And then beyond two souls came out, all of my rp buddies were praising the shit outta it! "Ohmygod I cried so hard at this game!!!" and so on. I finally played it a year later and I'm still so fucking puzzled over why my friends thought that convuluted piece of shit was game of the year material...
Good video btw, can't wait 'til u guys do a full review of detroit become human 'cuz I've played like an hour of it??? And it sure is a romp of a game lmao
Wtf is rp buddies
@@Walamonga1313
Im assuming role-playing
Actually both Ethan and Scott cant die until the last level because David Cage thinks that the "game over" is a failure in game design or some bullshit like that -_-
What
Which is weird considering they do the most death-inducing shit possible, like there's a very slim chance in real life that you would survive driving into oncoming traffic or get out of a flooding car at the bottom of a lake, yet somehow Ethan and Scott can do that no problem
@@basedbattledroid3507 Nobody could survive the butterfly. Not to mention how Scott, who is extremely fat and asthmatic, could swim out of the car window with ease or when he had a shootout with 20+ fully fit trained bodyguards.
But Madison and Norman can... Consistency, you love to see it!
@@nont18411 don't forget about scott crawling through that tiny pipe laying down broken glass 😆
Seriously, somebody needs to talk to David about every game having the female lead get naked.
He’s French
Exactly, hes french, being a frenchman and perversity and genuine batshit bizareness go hand in hand.😅
I bet david cage is so bad at writing that even that actors who were with him questioned his writing and logic.
"the only thing the origami killer succeeded in killing was the linearity of the plot" XD
If the purple clan revives Lucas (Carla says hes cold) then- does that mean Carla screws corpse??
We have necrophilia in this game how Nice
Apparently that game takes place in the middle of frozen Siberia where the blood freezes in your veins except everyone's just fine for some reason.
Sliver lining: Bowie is immortalized in omikron.
I actually take that back
Watching people shit on david cage games is my favorite thing, great video
Beyond Two Souls doesn’t really have too much depth in the story or meaning, which is why I think it works for a service level thriller about ghosts like something along the lines of Sixth Sense or something
And that's why I enjoyed Beyond way more than Indigo and Heavy Rain. My personal guilty pleasure
It also had the most generic, normal dialogue I'd ever heard in a quantic dream game, I kept expecting something unintentionally funny to come out of one of the character's mouths but nope the things they said were sadly kind of average and predictable, even with Willem Dafoe in the cast, not the hilarious over the top word usage I had become accustomed to since Fahrenheit and Heavy Rain.
Definitely a lot of fluid action sequences though, and Aiden was really cool to use, floating around, going through walls, etc.
@@soulbrother5435 I actually loved replaying indigo prophecy as a kid untill it turns batshit crazy. About 15 years later I still don’t understand what the game is about
@@DW51380 its about prophecies and mcguffins
"game overs are a failure of the game design" >:]
Inky Draconian
*So, this is how my story ends*
I love David Cage, his games are not perfect but there s so much passion in them and the graphics are always ahead time, and I love them because they are not perfect. At least he tries to make something different and I love it.
The thing he's trying to make is a movie but without a story good enough to be a movie.
This whole analysis explains that all of these games had so much potential but all gone into water because of David Cage, I say Quantic Dream some has some serious talent they can do more better without Cage. just take Detroit as an example, that game was really good and it didn't had hundreds of plot holes, because this time Cage wasn't the lead writer
@@matt_villei yes I know, that's only because Cage wasn't the lead writer. you see this game had a little improvement over their previous games people liked Conner story he was a beautifully written character. this game really shows us they could do more better without Cage
I know people crap on Ethan and Madison getting together, even though that is only by choice. But come on, at least it's a little more plausible than Lucas and Carla getting together towards the end of Indigo Prophecy, especially with Lucas all zombified.
Lucas and her are the videogame version of Bella and Edward lol
16:40 David Cage: beyond human
How much Coke you think David Cage spends his game budgets on?
Realistically 5k
I bought Indigo Prophecy back in like 2005 when I was a much younger man all of 22 still in the Army living in Germany. I only mention my age and situation at the time as a sort of explanation as to how I thought the game was fucking awesome at the time. Now it seems so obvious, but back then a game with such huge cinematic aspirations wasn't nearly as common to find out in the wild. So I played while blissfully unaware that I was being tricked into thinking I was actually playing a game when I was actually playing Simon Sez: Movie Generator Tool. I still admire the balls to develop and release a game at a time when it must have been a much tougher sell to get publishers on board. That said, these vids are fucking hilarious which makes them highly re-watchable!
I like when you type David Cage on UA-cam this video is the first thing to come up
I like David Cage games. But you're goddamn right about every topic
why is it that everytime i watch a video that criticizes the games, it always sounds as if the person making it had his parents murdered by david cage
They were tho
Just because u support the world's most famous serial killer doesn't mean others have to
@@UA-camCensors hello i dont support david cage 😭
That south park cut with the mayor's in my ass scene was fucking hilarious
JAAAASON!
JAAAAASAWN
Detroit Become Human is legitimately his ONLY game that actually did what I said it would.
What did you say it would do?
and it's still shit
@@cm9231 he’s keeping his secrets
@@FumblsTheSniper I don't need sleep, I need answers
This post reads like someone whose mind has deteriorated due to liking a David Cage game. Poor sob
I knew nothing about indigo prophecy before and after all of that i know even less. Because the plot is as crazy as some indian action movies.
Not even exagerating
You guys going to do Detroit as well?
I've talked with Vinny about it, and he said he'd be willing to do it. The biggest thing is, it'll probably be a while before we post it, since we need to get through Detroit, and we'll probably go through Omikron too, just to get all our bases covered. So, hopefully yes, but probably not for a few months at least. We'll both be posting other content for sure though, so be on the lookout for that!
David Cage doesn't understand how Frahenhight works.
Oh god, this review has me cracking the fuck up. You two are hilarious. I realised I needed to uninstall this game immediately after the first level, but looked up a playthrough to skim through what happened. I am so so glad I didn't invest any more time into it.
Is there a reason why 10-year-old Lucas back in the 1940's somehow only looks 30 now?
Same reason why Cage perceives 9-year-ole boys to want balloons and take off and leave a mall. Or even 10-year-old boys to have a teddy bear when going to sleep. Though the former could be argued as Jason was supposed to be much younger initially.
one guy sounds like Morty from (Rick and Morty) and the other sounds like Seth Rogan
This game is so convoluted!
I love the use of 'Result Screen (E-Rank)', from the 'Sonic Unleashed OST'. 🤣🤣🤣
I laughed so much when watching this awesome video 👍🏻
I loved those game so much when I was younger but damn I laughed all the way trough this video lol
Just a note: Norman has to take these drugs in order to use this high tech shit. This is why nobody else's uses it.
Mh, to be honest, I had no problem with the beginning segment of Heavy Rain or any of those "boring" moments. I actually found them rather sweet and a nice break from Cage's usual convoluted bullshit. You spend some nice time with your kids, have a sweet bit where you can just get the fuzzies. "Relaxing" would be term I'd rather use than "boring". For something to be "boring" you'd need to have the expectation of getting something thrilling and then not receiving it, but Heavy Rain (at least during those early segments) wasn't exactly advertised to be particularly "exciting" or "thrilling". I know Cage does bullshit, but in that particular area I gotta say that you can't really fault him. I found those quiet and calm scenes infinitely more engaging than whatever came afterward, precisely because it was so mundane.
On the other hand, I play walking simulators like Proteus and Kairo, and spend most of my time in most games just dazing off and wandering around, doing nothing. So maybe I have a skewed perspective. That being said, most of the other criticisms I find completely valid (especially the ones concerning convoluted storytelling, break-neck pacing, and of course those horrible rape undertones). I only disagree with the parts you called "boring".
Honestly, Indigo Prophecy is probably the most complicated Cage game to improve. Unlike Heavy Rain, Beyond: Two Souls, and Detroit: Become Human, all of which had decent enough premises to start with, this game's plot is broken right from the start. The only way to take Indigo Prophecy and make a coherent story out of it would be to rewrite the narrative from scratch. What do you guys think could fix it?
You guys would probably enjoy Yahtzee's & Dartigan's videos on David Cage's games. Yahtzee in particular is ALWAYS eager to put the newest David Cage game on his (metaphorical) spanking saddle!
I’ll be honest this video is your best work. I really loved the energy here
I don't know why I never compared the temperature change countdown to the rain level countdown in heavy rain.
and similar main male character, similar main female character.
AND the only reason the main male character in heavy rain did't have magic powers was bec the other game devs forced david cage to take it out for being too fucking dumb! those magic power scenes were fully written and most were already animated.
Now personally I like Heavy rain and love Detroit become human despite the plot flaws (The blackout/nightmare scenes could have been really cool if done properly....) But indigo prophecy was a whole lot of YIKES....such a confusing mess....it sounds like the strangest fever dream.
Agreed 👍
Are there good opinions about these games out there?
I get it , this Cage guy is a psycho and his plots are confusing but QD's games are innovative and hella immersive at places I think.
Me and my friend had a saying about it: ''Up to the middle of the game, is Fahrenheit. After that and shit just go fucking Saints Row 4 insane, it becomes Indigo Prophecy.''
Yeah it's a really shitty and annoying game, but it has it's charm. I'll play it from time to time (Of course i download a save so i don't have to deal with any bullshit) and just play some stages to have a laugh.
Special shoutout for the soundtrack that's the most ecletic thing i've seen. It goes from hard rock Theory of a Deadman to Soul/R&B Ben E. King. Also the original soundtrack was composed by fucking Angelo Badalamenti, the composer of Twin Peaks and most of David Lynch's productions.
lmao the audacity part made me sub ty for this high quality content
I like cages games, heavy rain is a mess but its a lovable mess with a few good points in the story. I like his games in the same way i like deadly premonitions.
Except Detroit. That game is his best work.
Heavy Rain is a 6/10. Beyond Two Souls, from what I've heard, a 1/10. Not sure about Indigo Prophecy, haven't played it nor Detroit: Become Human, or even Omikron.
HAWKEYESOLO I'd put Indigo Prophecy at a -6/10
I'd at least enjoy it as an awkward comedy; if the protagonist wasn't such a whiny, edgelord douche.
@@HAWKEYESOLO You don't know what a 1/10 game is. Have you played Ride to Hell: Retribution? MindJack?
@@MumRah357 That's from what I've heard, I forgot to put that, I haven't played the full game yet. And yes, I have heard of those games, also Bubsy 3D and Rogue Warrior. All of those are a 1/10.
gace is a nutjob that doesnt know how to make games. U cannot die in ANY of his games unless the script says so.
dudes, you need to do something with your sounds levels. It's not cool for your buddy to talk with the lowest volume setting and monotone ever, and then for buddy #2 to start screaming suddenly. You get a thumbs down for that. Adobe premier > volume normalize. Use it
True the volume in this vid is the only problem I have with it
I truly think David cage is a horrible person. The recent court kerfuffle should make it abundantly clear as to why as if their was any wonder before.
what happened?
@@cowboy4187 toxic work environment. also said 'in my games, all women are whores' and 'at quantic dream, we dont make games for f*gs'.
I am almost ashamed to say that I somewhat liked Indigo (not too much though), but Heavy Rain.......that game made me angry. REALLY angry when Shelby was revealed as the killer. IT. MADE. NO. FUCKING. SENSE. The worst plot twist I have ever experienced. But even that isn't my biggest problem with Heavy Rain. My biggest issue is how Cage desperately tries to create an emotional and captivating story (to show us that games can be art) and fails at it. Not because of some plotholes or such things but because every second of the game you are aware of what he is trying to accomplish (with a sledgehammer). I never played any of them, but those Telltale games never seemed to be as pretentious as Cage's games in that regard. Sometimes it feels as if people like Cage couldn't make it as movie directors and went to games instead. I don't even really consider these types of games as games but rather as interactive movies if anything.
And now I am in a dilemma. I haven't played Beyond Two Souls. Do I watch the next video or not? Who am I kidding. I'll never play Beyond (most probably). I'll probably not enjoy it quite as much, but it'll be the video then 😉
i know men that were brave enough/foolish enough to play omikron...the horror.... the pain...the bad game...god rest their souls.
In heavy rain there’s a cut scene showing how Jason died but it was too graphic. Also the first scene with Jayden is important cause he finds more proof to back up the killer owning a certain car. And the Triptocaine is the drug used to help Jayden with the symptoms from the ARI but he becomes addicted to the Triptocaine. And there’s different addresses the numbers/letters could say. And the scene with Jayden at the piano is important cause we find out that the ARI can kill him
where can I check out that cut scene of Jason's death?
@@carrymeohio *the FBI wants to know your location*
I watched a let’s play of Heavy Rain and said to myself, “this is so incompetent and degenerate and weird it must be French.”
Then I heard the creator’s name was David Cage, so I figured I had been wrong.
But I was right.
4:27 I was thinking of Kojima too :P
Just to clear something up to you guys, Nahmen's "drug problem" is related to his overusage of his ARI glasses. Whenever Nahmen finishes using his ARI and starts turning into a blood fountain for whatever reason, his vials of triptocaine helps ease that problem. In one of Nahmen's bad endings, he ends up OD'ing on the blue powder, killing him.
Again, it's a pretty alright idea, it could've opened for some interesting situations, had it been used correctly _and_ at more suitable points in the story. Instead, it only happens like, 2 or 3 times where Nahmen isn't in a crucial situation whatsoever, and it has no overall effect on the rest of the story.
Our main point of hammering that home was how each of the major characters had quirks that only showed up when the story needed it to, and then was instantly forgotten. You have Ethans black out problem, Nahmans drug issue, and Shelby's asthma. All three of those flaws are only in there to add "drama" but it felt so unneeded and forced. If only Nahman had the issue with the drugs, then I wouldn't really have too big an issue with it. It all just felt so forced with EVERYONE having these issues that would just be dropped in the next scene.
Holy shit this vid was a god damn treat. Fuckin kudos guys! ♥️
Possibly my favorite video in the history of videos
I remember really enjoying these games as a kid. They absolutely blew my mind and expanded my view on what a video game could be. To this day I still love super narrative heavy games. That being said I think a lot of people need to take their nostalgia glasses off and calm down. These games are full of flaws. You might not have noticed or cared when you were 13 but as an adult a lot of these criticisms hold weight. I don't think the way it's delivered takes away from that either. If anything the rowdy commentary makes things more entertaining. Am v interested in this channel now.
I think it’s safe to say David Cage is the Tommy Wisseau of gaming. He should try to be more humble like Tommy, but man I’m hyped to see the train wreck the new Star Wars game will be. Give him all creative control and let him go ham on it! It can’t be any worse than anything Disney has done. It can only get better.
I got Indigo Prophecy when it first released back in the day, and that self-insert ego trip of an intro tutorial must have only been put into later copies, because I do not remember that.
If that's true, if anything that's worse. In terms of humbleness, David Cage makes George Lucas look like Keanu Reeves lol
you guys are hilarious
*SHELBYHASASTHMA*
30:19 IT WAS AGATHA ALL ALONG
Awesome game talking about the 3 new ones!
someone called david cage the videogame joss whedon
No, even Joss Wedon's worst movies are better than all of David Cage's games.
@@tylerbertram7065 you're right.
@@juljul184 thank you.
Wow, the shouting gets old REALLY fast.
JASONNNNN
Why the fuck are Quantic Dreams Games so hyped and loved??? Do people really let themselves deceive that easily by some crying characters and "cineastic" Camera moments? WTF
On the indigo proph Part Lukas is obviously of German decent he works to relax.
"Luke Cage"... Uh you thinking Marvel.
Am a bad person for laughing hysterically at this 48:52
Part 2 when?
This video is actually very funny. Fuck Cage.
What is the music used at the beginning of the video! It's driving me nuts.
Rhythm Thief OST: Phantom R's Theme
@@vinnysuperg123 thank you! Haven't thought about that game in years
So you can't commit a series of murders with only rain water, But anyone whose lived or seen Ohio will know this is really possible!
So, you're saying this shit was cold?
Why are the memes louder than you guys audio? Funny stuff tho
And another thing: David Cage doesn’t have the DEEPEST stories, by any stretch... (That honor belongs to Kojima, unless you guys have any takers. ;)
Nick King Yoko Taro
Tetsuya Nomura too lol
This is really hillarios. I really love this video. Hopefully you don't minde me, making some notes up:
10:20 It is possible, that you play the lady and she tells black guy what to do.
11:30 He doesn't decide to play the hide-and-seek-Game with them. He declined and then had a vision.
25:20 He's no lieutenant, but a captain. Karla is a lieutenant
29:35 He is no "other fucking Maya dude" but the oracle (but you're refering to the Professor, who probably is not born 1969, because he would be 36
30:00 You can't just say, it is completly coincidential, that he has the powers and was possesd by him, the oracle. Becaus of his chroma, he didn't went insane like other people tent to do. Because of this we play Luke Cage and not the laundry guy. It's like saying, it's completely coincidental, that I watch your video in october. Wait, what, really? Unbealivable!
I played indigo prophecy as a kid and I have loved this guy's weird jank games ever since. He's the Henry Darger of gaming
At least I'm not banned here.
31:10 - 31:45
LOL
Oh nooooo.
Ze bad game French men
Where is part 2?
II cannot overstate it. If you want to see this game without playing it. Then I highly recommend watching Super Best Friends playthrough of all his games . I normally watch them inn order of release date. Except for Omikron the nomad soul. I highly recommend that being the finale game you watch them play. It's so bad, yet so good to watch. The fact that they David Bowie to not only do the music, but also voice act as a specially made character that is integral to thee story.
i miss tell tale 😔
Origarrrrrrrrrrrmi
39:43
🤣😂
Heavy rain. Kappa
17:17 hahahaha