Thanks for your comment. Yes, there is a lot to learn about running sound! There is much more involved with it than what it may appear to be. Keep learning!
Really like your vids. You may want to mention however that your daisy chain cables on the 1/4 inch side are TRS and not just TS connectors. I have seen people make that mistake. ( balanced vs. unbalanced.) Thanks Guys , Keep up the good work.
Even if using older amps, a custom cable can be made to have multiple plugs in parallel. Due to cable size and the connectors, a smaller diameter wire can be used so 2 wires can go into each plug. As this is not to be used anywhere but the amp rack, this can be left installed in the amp rack. As far as "overloading the Mixer or outboard output" this is not a concern as the input impedance for most amps is about 10,000 ohms and the output of the console is typically 600 Ohms or less, most often about 200 ohms. Fan out to up to about 10 amps causes no problems. 10 amps in parallel with 10K input would then be 1K at the imput which is no problem for most equipment. The cable would have 1 input and 4 output connectors chained together all in a parallel custom length to be tidy in the amp rack. Read your amp specs to find the actual input resistance.
Hi-Thank You for all of the informative videos you have posted over the years...Where would a distribution amp - like a Drawmer DA6 (6 stereo/12 mono) - be placed in a signal chain? Would it be something like Board Out(s) -> Distribution Amp -> Power Amps -> PA Speakers? I understand that only speakers should be connected to power amps .I know that you're not actually amplifying power. Hopefully you would do a video explaining the correct setup.
Thank you for your comment. The Drawmer DA6 (and devices similar to it) most always are connected to the main outputs (Board Outs) of a console... exactly like you referenced above.
@@stageleftaudio Gee,What took you so long to reply?lol😉 With this video being an older post,I figured either no reply or maybe awhile before any response.I always wondered how all the amp racks and speakers at an arena/stadium concert were connected.Like a lot of people,I used to think that when daisy-chaining amps,you were 'multiplying' the power.But then,after awhile, that didn't make sense to me because of the ohm load that would be placed on the amps from connecting all the speakers together.Thanks to this video,I now understand that you're running the SAME SIGNAL to a bunch of amps,then the speakers are hooked up to the individual amps. I've looked at the Drawmer manual(pdf) but it wasn't clear as to where the DA would be in the signal chain.And connecting a distro amp after the power amps would certainly 'fry' a DA.I don't own a DA6 - it's the only one I could think of at the moment to use as an example. Your time,quick reply and informative videos are Much Appreciated!😀 Ray Central Ct Shoreline
Thank you for postings such informative videos. My question stage left is will this work with all or most two-channel amplifiers?. The amplifiers I am questioning about our Crown CTS 3000
Daisy chaining works with most amplifiers that have 1/4" and/or XLR connectors. It may not work with the CTS line of amps from Crown, because those series of amps usually have different input (and output) connectors. Something like a signal distribution unit (with connectors that support the CTS line) may be needed.
Thank u so much for this video! Great explanation. I could really use your knowledge if you may help me out. I have recently opened up a coffee shop and barber, 2 in 1, it's inside a 600 m2 location, and I need to make a good speaker system setup. What do you recommend I use? I need at least 3 speakers on the main area, coffee floor, and another 2 speakers upstairs inside the men area, and another 2 for the female saloon. 3 different zones, 1 big location, all zones are easily accessible. What do you recommend I do? I want to stream the same music everywhere, that's not an issue. I was wondering to daisy chain 4 amps and putting 7 satellites în total. I would really appreciate your help and advice! Thanks Mike
Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, we do not do interior acoustics for audio, and are unable to recommend products or services. You may want to check for a local audio resource that can visit your location and provide recommendations.
stageleftaudio thanks so much for your reply. I understand that, but at the top of your mind, what do you suggest I do? Just an example. I would buy 3 amps and put them in daisy chain mono mode. Then hook them up to an audio source. Is that a good idea?
There's a lot of variables involved with what you are needing to do. Though, with what you just mentioned about placing the amps in mono and daisy chaining; this would probably work for your setup as long as mono is acceptable for you.
It is amazing how the inputs can be converted into outputs! Can I trust your word that all amplifiers made within 10-12 years can be done like this? Are there any exceptions to maybe the sound of the outputs, or certain companies of amplifiers? Thanks so much for this video!
+Mark Euglin A lot of professional amplifiers support parallel connections; therefore, allowing daisy-chaining. I don't think all amplifiers support this feature. I recommend checking the manufactures manual for the particular amplifier(s) you may be interested in to see if they support daisy chaining. Thanks for your comment.
Good video, thanks for sharing it, I have a question, you said you did a ground lift on the cable to daisy chain the amps, you said you pulled the #1 pin, did you remove the pin? Let me know, Thanks.
ignacio jr bueno When you pull an XLR connector apart, all you need to do is cut the wire for pin #1 and fold one side of the wire back (so it doesn't unfold back onto the wire you just cut); then reassemble the XLR connector.. Or... some people actually pull the #1 pin out of the connector. "pulling pin #1" is a common phrase. How it's actually done can vary. Very IMPORTANT - make sure you know which pin is #1. Look straight into the end of the XLR cable, you should "1" "2" "3" These are the pin numbers. Make sure you select pin #1.
Hi We can see you connecting cables.But can't see witch terminal goes to witch input and out put.And also you are using cannon and stereo 1/4inch plugs very confusing. Are you able to show bigger screen for this video?
In this video, all we are doing is connecting the channel #2 output/input to the channel #1 input on the next amplifier. The amplifiers in this particular video are setup for parallel operation (meaning channel #1 and channel #2 will be producing the same signal as each other). All we are doing sending the same signal to the next amp, and using that amplifiers channel inputs (on channel #2) as outputs to the next amplifier. All amplifiers will receive the same signal. The cables I'm using in it show that it doesn't matter if you have a 1/4" or XLR cable... both types can be used to send the signal from one amplifier to the next.
hi stageleftaudio and thanks for great video explaing how to daisy 2 amps.can i link 1 vonyx VXA-2000/ref.no 172.056 Professional amp to SPL1000EQ Stereo power amplifier and VXA-2000 1 for sub and 2nd for max210 dj/pa speakers 8oms. has a ground lift switch on back of amp which im not sure if shop set ground lift switch the write way plus when i switch 2000w amp on i get protect indication light come on then off again is that ok normal.im new never had amps like these before.im am using PD connex speaker cable only problem binding posts are not very good first time i could only get 1 speaker to come on i had to turn amp off unscrew binding post put wire in more then screw back up which i thought i did the first time.keep videos coming please as u explain very well thanks again.
Hello, watched this video again to refresh myself!! Question?? Do u have to bridge the amp in order to daisy chain it or it doesn't matter as long as the amp is in parallel mode. Reason of asking because i have some amps that don't allow bridge mode at least from what i know. Im using the qsc gx5's. Thanks for ur help!!!
Jamial Black Thanks for watching. Correct, the GX series cannot be bridged. And for many amplifiers, they don't need to be in parallel mode. Daisy chaining stereo amplifiers does work, as long as there is a parallel input associated with the input you are working with (i.e. the inputs on the GX series has XLR and 1/4" for each channel). For example, if you connect an XLR cable into the XLR input of channel "A", that same signal will be paralleled with the 1/4" input of the same channel. Then to daisy chain another amp, insert a 1/4" cable into channel "A" of the amp you already have the XLR cable connected to, and connect the other end of the 1/4" cable to the input (of channel "A") on another amplifier. Repeat the steps for channel "B" and then for how ever many amplifiers you need to send the signal to. If you want channel "B" of the amp(s) to have the same signal as channel "A" (like you can with parallel mode), try using a "Y" connector to connect the same signal from your board to the first amp. Then, when you daisy chain the amps (both "a" and "b" side), they will both be amplifying the same signal.
I` am very surprised that you u disconnected the ground connection, there are other ways and means to prevent a ground loop entering the system, you remove the ground from the connector then you can potentially become the "ground" as have a lot of high profile people in the music industry have done with fatal consequences. "The ground is there for a reason to "protect one selves" like you said u r talking about high current here, by the way fantastic in depth videos please keep them up.........
The ground connection we remove is on the audio cable, not the power cable. The audio equipment is still grounded (this does not change). I know of problems where electricity has "leaked" into sound systems (mics, guitars, amps, etc...) and many times, these issues have been the result of mis-use (and abuse) of audio equipment, improper use of cables, aging equipment, and the occasional use of home-made wiring. Electricity has a few entrance points into a sound system. There are some pieces of audio equipment still floating around in the industry that do not utilize NEMA 5-15 power cords (i.e. for 15 amp rated outlets); these non-grounding power cords can easily cause serious/deadly problems. All our power cords contain grounds. If we suspect that a questionable piece of band equipment may be interfacing into out system (i.e an old guitar amplifier), we use a low-voltage proximity detector on the amp outputs (if they have outputs); any voltage present means they do not connect into our system. Thanks for your comment on this topic.
To compete this set up, I will run 1 output to the speakers and then daisy chain them as we'll? And with this setup, how many sub boxes(and what power rating) could I run? Give me an example please and thanks for posting. Peace
You can daisy-chain (run parallel connections) for speakers, but you may need to limit the number of parallel speaker connections to two per channel on the amplifier. What's important is the load the amplifier sees on each channel; check the manufactures spec sheet to see what the limit is for the amplifier you are using.
So which speaker out connection are you using ? The one from the top amp,bottom amp,all four ? Are you bridging the speaker connections? And can you use different brands of amps or should you only use the same kind ?? Need more information.. Thanks
In this example (from the video), the speaker connections would be for a bridged mono setup. So, this means that each amplifier in the video would have only one speaker attached to it - for a bridged operation. Therefore, there would be 4 speakers used (each speaker powered by its own amplifier). Yes, any amplifier (or group of non-like amplifiers) can be used... as long as they have an input and a "thru" output connector that will allow the signal to be passed to another amplifier.
Yes. Running one signal to each amp, with each amp having its own set of speakers is exactly how daisy-chaining works. You can connect a powered sub as well. Powered speakers are usually connected last in the chain.
In this video, the amplifiers were set for "bridged" operation. Like many amplifiers, when setting them in "bridged" mode, they will automatically be placed in "parallel" mode (i.e. duplicating the input signal on channel-1 to the input on channel-2). For the PLX series, parallel mode simply allows for one signal to be brought into an amplifier (i.e. channel 1) and have that signal automatically be produced on the input of channel 2. With the same signal appearing at the inputs of channel-2, that signal can be daisy-chained out of channel and into channel-1 of the next amplifier.
@@stageleftaudio you do realize that when you run an amp in bridged mono mode, it inverts ch 1 polarity to ch 2 polarity. You CAN do this, if you invert your outputs OR use the amps outputs in bridged output mode (using the + terminal on both channels, ch 1+ for speaker + and ch 2+ as speaker -) If you don't do this, you will have 2 speaker loads operating out of phase with each other. The correct way to do what you are demonstrating would be to run the amplifiers input stages in parallel mode, not bridged mono mode.
Thanks for the video. So this is passing the output signal (no power) from one amp to the next. The reason being, to cut back on a bunch of output cabling to each individual amp from the crossover?
Howard Smith Thanks for watching. You are correct. Daisy chaining cleans up and reduces the amount of "overhead" in sending the same signal to multiple amplifiers. For example, in a bi/tri amped system, all FOH needs is to send back 2 or 3 cables depending if you are bi/tri amping; one cable for each frequency band. Though, if you are running true stereo, you would need to double the cables from the crossover to the amps.
stageleftaudio can you do tgis with crown amps? I have the xls, with them running front and rear speakers from preouts on my receiver, to my Yamaha eq to crown 1...no problem, sounds great..how do I get the 2nd crown to get the eq signal? it sounds muffled, and the eq makes a big difference. thanks...oh, the speakers are connected by banana jacks
As long as the XLS amplifiers have two inputs per channel, they can be daisy changed. Some of the XLS amps have something called "Link out"; it's a 1/4" output on the amp. This output is used to send the signal to the next amp. If the amplifiers don't have 2 connections per channel, the signal can be passed from one amp to another using a series of "y" cables.
The setup in this video is for mono sound. In this video, we used the Left output from the console. There is nothing connected to the Right output of the console. The cable coming from the console to the first amplifier is an XLR cable. Hope this helps.
Referencing your other post: It depends on the manufacturer of the amplifier. QSC is among one of the top reputable brands of amplifier manufactures. Their amplifiers do produce the wattage they indicate in bridge-mode.
Most will use a "Y" cable. The "long" end of the cable connects into the mixer output; one side of the Y connects into the QSC, the other into the Crown.
Sorry for the confusion. You can connect two different amplifiers with using the same signal (just like in the video). I just wanted to make sure you understood that you cannot connect the amplifier output (speaker output) from one amplifier to another. Hope this helps.
As long as the cooling fans are functioning correctly in the amps, you rarely need to place a space between them. Spacing amps apart is usually for amps that do not have cooling fans.
Daisy chaining is only sending the line-level signal (from the xover or the console) to all the amplifiers... the watts/power from each of the amplifiers does NOT get passed to the next amplifier. In this video, each amplifier would have speakers attached to their outputs. Each amplifier produces 3,600 watts, which means the speakers attached to each amplifier would need to handle 3,600 watts. We take the 3,600 watts from each amp, and the speaker(s) attached to each amp, and multiply by 4 = 14,400 watts spread across the 4 amplifiers. Each amplifier would power its own speaker(s); the only similarity between the amplifiers is that they are all receiving the same line-level signal. Hope this helps.
I would never recommend the use of a gadget to cover up a grounding issue. If a ground loop hum is occurring due to an electrical grounding issue in an amplifier rack, the grounding issue needs to be fixed/corrected... not covered up.
Are you referencing the 1/4" phono-jacks for connections? If so, the phono-jacks and XLR function the same way. As long as there is a 1/4" jack for input and output into the amplifier, the same process as XLR connections can be followed.
Yes - it is possible to use those jacks (RCA connections). However, the amplifier will need to have 2 sets of those jacks - 1 set x for input into the amp, and 1 x set for output of the amplifier. The manual for the amplifier may reference this type of setup.
I have a question. i have a big gig coming up and to compensate i added (2) Rockville RSG12.2 Dual 12" 2000W PA Speakers+Rockville RPA8 Amplifier DJ Amp to my setup which was a hercules rmx2 running into a bbe sonic maximizer running into my rockville subwoofer that runs to my crown amp that runs to my 2 15s. how would i run my old setup and include my new addition.
Correct. Also to note, short distances (usually less than 2 ft.) using unbalanced connections do not present issues. However, if using balanced connections anywhere in the routing of a sound system, it is recommended to use balanced connections everywhere in the system.
Hypothetical situation.....How many amps could be daisy chained without signal loss to the inputs? I think these amps probably have10k unbalanced/20k balance input impedance, so just wondering provided you have the proper power available. Also does that 1/4 inch need to be TRS?
+cacornett58 Good question. The most I've seen "chained" is 12 per side for FOH (QSC Powerlight amps). There may be a limitation, but seems like it would be high enough, that it would not present any issues for most setups. For short jumps (amp to amp in the same rack), TS cables work fine. If you are chaining amplifiers in separate racks (over 20' away), you will probably want to use TRS. We try to use all TRS cables for every 1/4" connection in our system; it's easier to manage the cables if they are all the same.
If all 4 of the amps were driven to their full power, it would trip a breaker. In fact, 2 amplifiers at full power will probably trip a breaker. ampers x voltage = max-wattage. Therefore, a 15amp circuit running on 120 volts will support a maximum of 1800 watts. You can plug all 4 amps into a single 15amp circuit, but do not run them at their maximum.
Basically, do not turn up the volume so much that the amplifiers begin to distort (or cause speaker distortion). Or, if there are limiter (or power) lights on the amplifier... make sure neither of these are flashing (i.e. showing the amplifier is reaching its limit).
It's a ground-loop (60hz hum) situation that usually occurs between FOH and the stage, but sometimes occurs between amplifiers driving the same signal. For the amplifiers: This occurs when 2 amplifiers are each connected to their own power source (i.e. separate circuits) and their signal inputs are daisy chained together with a balanced (aka TRS) cable. The balanced signal cable between the amplifiers may cause a ground loop. To remedy this, use a ground-lift cable between the amplifier inputs/outputs.
Correct. Each amplifier in the signal chain will have its own speaker attached to it. And because these amplifiers are configured as bridged-mono, only one speaker will be attached to each amp. Each speaker would be rated about 3500 watts (@ 4ohms)
For this particular amplifier setup, there's only one output coming from the mixer. This is because the amplifiers are setup in bridged-mono, which means the amps can only accept a mono signal. There's another video on our channel that shows how to setup daisy chaining for a stereo (2-chnl) configuration. For mono setups (as shown in the video), the mono signal driving the amplifiers would actually be coming from a crossover (for either lows or mids or highs). It's rare that we would run a full-range mono signal to a group of amplifiers (for an actual show), however, the need does come up sometimes.
Each amplifier would drive a speaker-cable connected to it with a speaker at the end. In this video, the amplifiers are setup for bridged mode, therefore, each amp can only drive one 8-ohm speaker; meaning, you would need to connect a speaker to each of the BRIDGED amplifier outputs. Daisy chaining of speakers is mostly used for subs.
@@stageleftaudio , thanks. I understand. Wanted to ask tho. I have a situation that I'm trying to do the right way. Like I said, I'm new ish to this. I'm in a local band with just a berhinger pmp 5000. I realized that I can't daisy chain basically more than two monitors together. I'm using one channel for mains and one for monitors. I do have an Inuke 1000 that I can add in to the audio outs. I'm hoping it's enough. I think if I'm running two daisy chained from my monitor channel and two from the behringer Inuke, that I can have 4 monitors without having problems.
Sounds like that should work. Make sure the speakers are 8-ohms. If they are 4-ohms, it's usually not a good idea to daisy chain two 4-ohm speakers (too much of a load for most amplifiers). Two 8-ohm speakers daisy-chained rarely ever presents a problem.
is QSC a good amplifier brand? i need a new amplifier that can drive 2 600 watts 8ohm speakers never, ever buy skytech amps they say 250 watts per channel and they deliver 24watts per channel
Yes, QSC is a good brand. Also, other good brands we've used have been Crown and Crest-Audio. All these manufacturers make economical amplifiers as well as professional.
+BRAAHMAN B. It can be used for music as well. However, not all amplifiers have the ability to send signals to other amplifiers - make sure your amplifiers can support that.
The daisy chaining process is ONLY passing the line-level signal from one amp to another. Therefore, each amplifier will produce the same signal as the other; which means, each amplifier would have its own speaker connected to it. In daisy chaining, it's the signal that is passed to each amp, not the power (watts) of the amplifier.
stageleftaudio I get that part, let’s say I have two power amps and need to run both of them to one speaker cab. How would do that? Ex: let’s say I have two 1000watt amps and I want to tie them together to produce 2000watts to one speaker cab. How would I achieve this? Is it possible
I see what you are saying... VERY IMPORTANT - do NOT tie amplifiers together to make one large amplifier! This is not how amplifiers are made. You could cause a fire and/or destroy the amplifiers by trying to tie them together. If you need more power, you will need to either bridge the amp (place a single amplifier into bridged-mode), or get a larger amplifier. Hope this helps.
The speaker connections would be to each amplifier; the daisy-chaining process is to get the signal from one amplifier to another. Daisy chaining does NOT add up all the power from the amplifiers. Each amplifier would still have speakers attached them (as they normally would).
can you pls help me on this,i have 2 identical Power amplifiers EPX 2800 Behringer and when i connect the 2 amps together in parallel one of the amps is stronger than the other one,even the signal is stronger than the other on both full gain.i am using them on 8 Bose Bass bins 502 on 4Ohms.Thanks
+Jonathan Malta I'm not familiar with the amps, but make sure some of the basic things are not causing the problem. Look at the filter switches on the back - make sure they are all set the same for both amps (depending on how you are using your amps). If the amps should not be bridged, make sure both amps are set in "stereo" mode. If you need to make changes on the amps, make sure to make these changes with the amplifiers OFF. If the settings on the amps are all the same, how are the levels of the amplifiers when they are not daisy chained? Do they exhibit the same behavior?
Thanks for you fast reply,from the back of the amps its all set the same on stereo,can it be the wiring of the speakers the problem? cause i have a set of speakers with proffessional cable and another set on a cheap cable.
Harley Shubin Not sure how (or if) that could be done with home audio; unless something like a "Y" cable is used, but depending on how many amplifiers there are, that could equate to a lot of "Y" cables.
I have two sub speakers with one input running them mono. I have one QSC 2450 running both speakers but it's not enough power. I want to daisy chain another 2450 and run them in bridge mode to power each speaker separately. Where do I plug each speaker? Any guidance here would be helpful...
First... take a look at the manual for the 2450. Basically, set your amp to bridge mode (using the dip switches on the rear); next, you connect one speaker (i.e. 1 speaker wire) to the binding posts (if using binding posts). But, look at the back of the amp where the binding posts are. They show you that you must use the 2 center posts - the "+" posts (of both binding posts) to connect a speaker if the amp is bridged. Then connect an XLR cable from the input of channel "2" of the amp, and connect that XLR to the input of channel "1" on the next amp (like in the in the video). If you are using a speakon speaker cable, those must be wired differently to support the bridge operation of an amplifier.
Normally, no ground lift switches are needed when daisy chaining. The only reason you may need to use a ground lift cable (or switch), is when the power amplifiers that you are daisy chaining are getting power from different sources. The PLX amps in this video do not have ground-lift switches.
@@stageleftaudio I have 5 racks of Crown Macro Tech amps they have the lift switches on them I have alot of buzzing coming through the speakers might have a ground loop somewhere each rack is fed back to the distro and the FOH is fed from the distro I have balanced and unbalanced cables throughout the system the amps are daisy chained from the crossovers the amps are running on 220v and 110v
@@stageleftaudio I might have a bad crossover or something going on in 1 of the racks the others seemed to work fine then I heard a very loud blaaaaahhhhh through the speakers then it popped the breaker at the distro didn't hurt the amps any but I wiggled the cables in the back of the crossover then it went back to normal, weird don't know if the subs jiggled the cable loose or what? Or I have some bad cables
Noise in a system can easily come from bad/inferior cables, or using unbalanced cables, and sometimes from a passive crossover. Older crossovers (depending on much they have been used) can start exhibiting behavior similar to ground-loops. The cheapest and quickest check would be the cables. Also, make sure there is no oxidation on the cables or the insert points of the crossover. Oxidation causes issues with contact points.
@@stageleftaudio I'll check it out see what's going on with it I know it's in the 1 rack and not the rest of the system must be a bad cable because I wiggled it and then everything went back to normal probably the xlr plug on the end of it had a bad cable in my other rack that was making noise running my 5002vz's it was making all types of noise I had some other crossovers in my racks before think they must of caused some ground loops and probably fried some cables so I changed them out because they were bad and making all types of racket I have some TDM 4 ways in it now the crossover that was in my sub rack was making the wires smoke
Make sure the amplifiers you are using can support the passing of signals out of the amplifier. Also, setting the input of an amplifier in parallel mode (not the amplifier itself, but the input), will usually allow the second input of the amp to act as a pass-through for signals.
Sorry for the confusion. What do you mean by "what are the amps on the box"? The amplifiers are 15amp units... not sure if that is what you are looking for.
The amperage is the maximum the amplifier can draw when the amplifier is running close to full power. Correct, for 3 amplifiers, it would be safe to have 45 amps available... but that is only if the amps were to run full-power.
Yes. For these amplifiers, XLR cables can be used. In the video, I used 1/4" to XLR to show they too can be used (for those who have amplifiers without all XLR connectors). The cable format that is needed to daisy chain is dependent on what the amplifier supports.
Los amplfiers PLX hacen bien para las frecuencias bajas. El modelo PLX (y otros modelos clase-h) hacen bien, pero por muy buenos bajos, los / b amplificadores de clase A de más edad hacen muy bien. Estos amplificadores de mayor edad se les llama "Big Iron". Pueden ser muy pesado.
Thank you, they have the switches like the rmx series for stereo, parallel, bridge, filter and limiter. On each channel one xlr input and one 1/4 input. Your video has been very helpful, I used a split cable from crossover to the amplifiers, which is not recommended, I was very curious on daisy chain my amplifiers, Thank you for share your knowledge.
+Marv Reyes Yes. That is how multiple amplifiers are setup to run multiple speakers. The signal from the board would first go to the crossover, then the "highs" and "lows" from the crossover would feed their respective amplifiers.
If you crank up the master volume on your mixing console to 35 percent volume and your power amplifiers are not clipping and your gains on the mixing console are set correctly and your at unity gain on the mixing console and your using a compressor to prevent clipping and your speakers still sound distorted would this mean that it’s all boiling down to the power amplifiers themselves being internally damaged or due to the fact that the power amplifiers are very cheap and overrated.
From the type of setup you are referencing, audible distortion can come from undersized amplifiers being pushed/driven at their maximum power (for a sustained period of time). Also, distortion could be from the speaker drivers themselves, usually the high-frequency speakers and mid-range (if the cabinet has mid-range drivers); the speakers are being driven beyond their capabilities for a sustained period of time.
When you're in Bridget mode you're supposed to have both channel to go in the same adjustment on panel. because it has an amp for channel and is bridging them. Both gains have to be in the same setting during bridge mode say in manual. This guys daisy chaing all the amp and having 1ch all amps bridged and only ch1 up is bad for the amps it well send power back through ch2 and cause issues. Says in manual. On all amps bridge able. This guy left out important detail.. Bbbbaaaaddddddd
+Lucky Barker Many professional amplifiers only use channel 1 (and its gain control) for bridged operation. From the QSC manual: --------------------------------------------------- Bridge Mode: Bridge mode configures the channel pair to drive a single high-power loudspeaker load. The INPUT CONFIGURATION switch must be set for BRIDGE mode. Use only Channel 1’s input and Gain control. Set Channel 2’s Gain control at minimum. -------------------------------------------------- Other lines/manufactures of amplifiers may use the gain control of both channels for bridged operation. It's always best to check the manual before configuring an amplifier for bridged operation. Also - many amplifiers DO NOT support bridging.
I don't know what kind of amp/amps you are using, but stageleftaudio is correct, read your manual, as most pro amps work the same way, adjustment is on ch1, and ch2 is left at no gain. READ THE MANUAL!
Learning about sound is a lot like learning about anything. The more I learn the more questions I have.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, there is a lot to learn about running sound! There is much more involved with it than what it may appear to be. Keep learning!
Parallel connections inceasing impedance comparing to serial connections, very important to save your speakers!
Really like your vids. You may want to mention however that your daisy chain cables on the 1/4 inch side are TRS and not just TS connectors. I have seen people make that mistake. ( balanced vs. unbalanced.) Thanks Guys , Keep up the good work.
Thanks for the info!
Very useful suggestion 👍
Even if using older amps, a custom cable can be made to have multiple plugs in parallel. Due to cable size and the connectors, a smaller diameter wire can be used so 2 wires can go into each plug. As this is not to be used anywhere but the amp rack, this can be left installed in the amp rack. As far as "overloading the Mixer or outboard output" this is not a concern as the input impedance for most amps is about 10,000 ohms and the output of the console is typically 600 Ohms or less, most often about 200 ohms. Fan out to up to about 10 amps causes no problems. 10 amps in parallel with 10K input would then be 1K at the imput which is no problem for most equipment. The cable would have 1 input and 4 output connectors chained together all in a parallel custom length to be tidy in the amp rack. Read your amp specs to find the actual input resistance.
Thank you for the post. This is a good method of chaining amplifiers together.
Hi-Thank You for all of the informative videos you have posted over the years...Where would a distribution amp - like a Drawmer DA6 (6 stereo/12 mono) - be placed in a signal chain?
Would it be something like Board Out(s) -> Distribution Amp -> Power Amps -> PA Speakers?
I understand that only speakers should be connected to power amps .I know that you're not actually amplifying power.
Hopefully you would do a video explaining the correct setup.
Thank you for your comment. The Drawmer DA6 (and devices similar to it) most always are connected to the main outputs (Board Outs) of a console... exactly like you referenced above.
@@stageleftaudio Gee,What took you so long to reply?lol😉
With this video being an older post,I figured either no reply or maybe awhile before any response.I always wondered how all the amp racks and speakers at an arena/stadium concert were connected.Like a lot of people,I used to think that when daisy-chaining amps,you were 'multiplying' the power.But then,after awhile, that didn't make sense to me because of the ohm load that would be placed on the amps from connecting all the speakers together.Thanks to this video,I now understand that you're running the SAME SIGNAL to a bunch of amps,then the speakers are hooked up to the individual amps.
I've looked at the Drawmer manual(pdf) but it wasn't clear as to where the DA would be in the signal chain.And connecting a distro amp after the power amps would certainly 'fry' a DA.I don't own a DA6 - it's the only one I could think of at the moment to use as an example.
Your time,quick reply and informative videos are Much Appreciated!😀
Ray
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Thanks the first time I ever saw it done I heard of just never saw it. :)
Thank you for postings such informative videos. My question stage left is will this work with all or most two-channel amplifiers?. The amplifiers I am questioning about our Crown CTS 3000
Daisy chaining works with most amplifiers that have 1/4" and/or XLR connectors. It may not work with the CTS line of amps from Crown, because those series of amps usually have different input (and output) connectors. Something like a signal distribution unit (with connectors that support the CTS line) may be needed.
Thank you very much, I'll do it exactly how you said.
hola buenas noches .muy buena explicacion
Great video. Thank you
Thank u so much for this video! Great explanation. I could really use your knowledge if you may help me out.
I have recently opened up a coffee shop and barber, 2 in 1, it's inside a 600 m2 location, and I need to make a good speaker system setup. What do you recommend I use?
I need at least 3 speakers on the main area, coffee floor, and another 2 speakers upstairs inside the men area, and another 2 for the female saloon. 3 different zones, 1 big location, all zones are easily accessible.
What do you recommend I do? I want to stream the same music everywhere, that's not an issue. I was wondering to daisy chain 4 amps and putting 7 satellites în total.
I would really appreciate your help and advice!
Thanks
Mike
Thank you for your comment. Unfortunately, we do not do interior acoustics for audio, and are unable to recommend products or services. You may want to check for a local audio resource that can visit your location and provide recommendations.
stageleftaudio thanks so much for your reply. I understand that, but at the top of your mind, what do you suggest I do? Just an example. I would buy 3 amps and put them in daisy chain mono mode. Then hook them up to an audio source. Is that a good idea?
There's a lot of variables involved with what you are needing to do. Though, with what you just mentioned about placing the amps in mono and daisy chaining; this would probably work for your setup as long as mono is acceptable for you.
It is amazing how the inputs can be converted into outputs! Can I trust your word that all amplifiers made within 10-12 years can be done like this? Are there any exceptions to maybe the sound of the outputs, or certain companies of amplifiers?
Thanks so much for this video!
+Mark Euglin A lot of professional amplifiers support parallel connections; therefore, allowing daisy-chaining. I don't think all amplifiers support this feature. I recommend checking the manufactures manual for the particular amplifier(s) you may be interested in to see if they support daisy chaining.
Thanks for your comment.
No prob, and thanks as well!
Does “daisy” chaining them the way you showed in the first setup add more headroom to your foh speakers?
TIA…
Daisy chaining does not add headroom. All it does is send the signal to multiple amps at the same time.
thanks to your vedio sir ,I'm learn
Good video, thanks for sharing it, I have a question, you said you did a ground lift on the cable to daisy chain the amps, you said you pulled the #1 pin, did you remove the pin? Let me know, Thanks.
ignacio jr bueno When you pull an XLR connector apart, all you need to do is cut the wire for pin #1 and fold one side of the wire back (so it doesn't unfold back onto the wire you just cut); then reassemble the XLR connector.. Or... some people actually pull the #1 pin out of the connector. "pulling pin #1" is a common phrase. How it's actually done can vary.
Very IMPORTANT - make sure you know which pin is #1. Look straight into the end of the XLR cable, you should "1" "2" "3" These are the pin numbers. Make sure you select pin #1.
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We can see you connecting cables.But can't see witch terminal goes to witch input and out put.And also you are using cannon and stereo 1/4inch plugs very confusing.
Are you able to show bigger screen for this video?
In this video, all we are doing is connecting the channel #2 output/input to the channel #1 input on the next amplifier. The amplifiers in this particular video are setup for parallel operation (meaning channel #1 and channel #2 will be producing the same signal as each other). All we are doing sending the same signal to the next amp, and using that amplifiers channel inputs (on channel #2) as outputs to the next amplifier. All amplifiers will receive the same signal.
The cables I'm using in it show that it doesn't matter if you have a 1/4" or XLR cable... both types can be used to send the signal from one amplifier to the next.
hi stageleftaudio and thanks for great video explaing how to daisy 2 amps.can i link 1 vonyx VXA-2000/ref.no 172.056 Professional amp to SPL1000EQ Stereo power amplifier and VXA-2000 1 for sub and 2nd for max210 dj/pa speakers 8oms. has a ground lift switch on back of amp which im not sure if shop set ground lift switch the write way plus when i switch 2000w amp on i get protect indication light come on then off again is that ok normal.im new never had amps like these before.im am using PD connex speaker cable only problem binding posts are not very good first time i could only get 1 speaker to come on i had to turn amp off unscrew binding post put wire in more then screw back up which i thought i did the first time.keep videos coming please as u explain very well thanks again.
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What is you don't have a 1/4 in out puts
And just xlrs inputs
Chanel 1
Chanel 2
How do you conecte
If you only have XLR inputs, a "Y" cable can be used. Basically, the "Y" cable will allow you to connect the signal (from the mixer) to 2 amplifiers.
Hello, watched this video again to refresh myself!! Question?? Do u have to bridge the amp in order to daisy chain it or it doesn't matter as long as the amp is in parallel mode. Reason of asking because i have some amps that don't allow bridge mode at least from what i know. Im using the qsc gx5's. Thanks for ur help!!!
Jamial Black Thanks for watching. Correct, the GX series cannot be bridged. And for many amplifiers, they don't need to be in parallel mode. Daisy chaining stereo amplifiers does work, as long as there is a parallel input associated with the input you are working with (i.e. the inputs on the GX series has XLR and 1/4" for each channel). For example, if you connect an XLR cable into the XLR input of channel "A", that same signal will be paralleled with the 1/4" input of the same channel. Then to daisy chain another amp, insert a 1/4" cable into channel "A" of the amp you already have the XLR cable connected to, and connect the other end of the 1/4" cable to the input (of channel "A") on another amplifier. Repeat the steps for channel "B" and then for how ever many amplifiers you need to send the signal to. If you want channel "B" of the amp(s) to have the same signal as channel "A" (like you can with parallel mode), try using a "Y" connector to connect the same signal from your board to the first amp. Then, when you daisy chain the amps (both "a" and "b" side), they will both be amplifying the same signal.
can u make also a vedio sir?two channel working out,its possible chain type then two channels output working?
Pls explain why use LMT (Line matching Transformer)in Live program?
You need to put the camera in one spot, I got dizzy,... LOL
fucking awesome info...ty
I` am very surprised that you u disconnected the ground connection, there are other ways and means to prevent a ground loop entering the system, you remove the ground from the connector then you can potentially become the "ground" as have a lot of high profile people in the music industry have done with fatal consequences. "The ground is there for a reason to "protect one selves" like you said u r talking about high current here, by the way fantastic in depth videos please keep them up.........
The ground connection we remove is on the audio cable, not the power cable. The audio equipment is still grounded (this does not change). I know of problems where electricity has "leaked" into sound systems (mics, guitars, amps, etc...) and many times, these issues have been the result of mis-use (and abuse) of audio equipment, improper use of cables, aging equipment, and the occasional use of home-made wiring.
Electricity has a few entrance points into a sound system. There are some pieces of audio equipment still floating around in the industry that do not utilize NEMA 5-15 power cords (i.e. for 15 amp rated outlets); these non-grounding power cords can easily cause serious/deadly problems. All our power cords contain grounds.
If we suspect that a questionable piece of band equipment may be interfacing into out system (i.e an old guitar amplifier), we use a low-voltage proximity detector on the amp outputs (if they have outputs); any voltage present means they do not connect into our system.
Thanks for your comment on this topic.
To compete this set up, I will run 1 output to the speakers and then daisy chain them as we'll? And with this setup, how many sub boxes(and what power rating) could I run? Give me an example please and thanks for posting. Peace
You can daisy-chain (run parallel connections) for speakers, but you may need to limit the number of parallel speaker connections to two per channel on the amplifier. What's important is the load the amplifier sees on each channel; check the manufactures spec sheet to see what the limit is for the amplifier you are using.
Thank you/ Look forward to future uploads from your channel.
Can a power amplifier be used without a mixing console or would using a power amplifier without a mixing console cause the audio signal to be too weak
Not really. Mixing consoles increase the voltage for amplifiers, so the amplifiers can do their job.
So which speaker out connection are you using ?
The one from the top amp,bottom amp,all four ?
Are you bridging the speaker connections? And can you use different brands of amps or should you only use the same kind ?? Need more information.. Thanks
In this example (from the video), the speaker connections would be for a bridged mono setup. So, this means that each amplifier in the video would have only one speaker attached to it - for a bridged operation. Therefore, there would be 4 speakers used (each speaker powered by its own amplifier).
Yes, any amplifier (or group of non-like amplifiers) can be used... as long as they have an input and a "thru" output connector that will allow the signal to be passed to another amplifier.
@@stageleftaudio can you daisy chain and use one amp for each set of speakers and also a powered sub getting the same signal?
Yes. Running one signal to each amp, with each amp having its own set of speakers is exactly how daisy-chaining works. You can connect a powered sub as well. Powered speakers are usually connected last in the chain.
What mode do you set the amplifier in? I got confused when you said that the amp is in bridge mono and parallel mode.
In this video, the amplifiers were set for "bridged" operation. Like many amplifiers, when setting them in "bridged" mode, they will automatically be placed in "parallel" mode (i.e. duplicating the input signal on channel-1 to the input on channel-2). For the PLX series, parallel mode simply allows for one signal to be brought into an amplifier (i.e. channel 1) and have that signal automatically be produced on the input of channel 2. With the same signal appearing at the inputs of channel-2, that signal can be daisy-chained out of channel and into channel-1 of the next amplifier.
is there a way i can use outputs as inputs???
@@stageleftaudio you do realize that when you run an amp in bridged mono mode, it inverts ch 1 polarity to ch 2 polarity. You CAN do this, if you invert your outputs OR use the amps outputs in bridged output mode (using the + terminal on both channels, ch 1+ for speaker + and ch 2+ as speaker -) If you don't do this, you will have 2 speaker loads operating out of phase with each other. The correct way to do what you are demonstrating would be to run the amplifiers input stages in parallel mode, not bridged mono mode.
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Thanks for the video. So this is passing the output signal (no power) from one amp to the next. The reason being, to cut back on a bunch of output cabling to each individual amp from the crossover?
Howard Smith Thanks for watching. You are correct. Daisy chaining cleans up and reduces the amount of "overhead" in sending the same signal to multiple amplifiers. For example, in a bi/tri amped system, all FOH needs is to send back 2 or 3 cables depending if you are bi/tri amping; one cable for each frequency band. Though, if you are running true stereo, you would need to double the cables from the crossover to the amps.
stageleftaudio can you do tgis with crown amps? I have the xls, with them running front and rear speakers from preouts on my receiver, to my Yamaha eq to crown 1...no problem, sounds great..how do I get the 2nd crown to get the eq signal? it sounds muffled, and the eq makes a big difference. thanks...oh, the speakers are connected by banana jacks
As long as the XLS amplifiers have two inputs per channel, they can be daisy changed. Some of the XLS amps have something called "Link out"; it's a 1/4" output on the amp. This output is used to send the signal to the next amp. If the amplifiers don't have 2 connections per channel, the signal can be passed from one amp to another using a series of "y" cables.
guys if your using racks of amps USE FURMAN SEQUENCER OR JUICE GOOSE SEQENCER
From the beginning hoe did you connect l & r output on mixer to channel 1?…with what cables!….Thank you.
The setup in this video is for mono sound. In this video, we used the Left output from the console. There is nothing connected to the Right output of the console. The cable coming from the console to the first amplifier is an XLR cable. Hope this helps.
@@stageleftaudio ....yes, thank you.
Question when you bridge a amplifier do you get the power as the manufacturer say. Do it work
Referencing your other post:
It depends on the manufacturer of the amplifier. QSC is among one of the top reputable brands of amplifier manufactures. Their amplifiers do produce the wattage they indicate in bridge-mode.
Hi! I have a question!
How can I connect 2 amps to a mixer yamaha mg16xu y have qsc gx5 and crown x4000?
Most will use a "Y" cable. The "long" end of the cable connects into the mixer output; one side of the Y connects into the QSC, the other into the Crown.
please can i connect two different Amplifiers together ?
Only if the connection is by signal level. You cannot connect the speaker outputs, or amplification together. Only the signal levels.
@@stageleftaudio sorry i did not get you ? can you give me example please
Sorry for the confusion. You can connect two different amplifiers with using the same signal (just like in the video). I just wanted to make sure you understood that you cannot connect the amplifier output (speaker output) from one amplifier to another. Hope this helps.
@@stageleftaudio thank you
@@stageleftaudio it should be the same ohm ?
another question sir,your vedio is working one output channel speaker,how to make that amplifier they were 2 channel or how to connect,
+julito Balongcas Jr. Possibly in the future we'll have a video showing 2-chnl daisy chaining. Thanks for watching.
+stageleftaudio your welcome sir I'm watching your vedio how many times,
I have 5 qsc amplifier in my rock is it ok for them rest on each other or it have to get a space apart from air
As long as the cooling fans are functioning correctly in the amps, you rarely need to place a space between them. Spacing amps apart is usually for amps that do not have cooling fans.
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Daisy chaining is only sending the line-level signal (from the xover or the console) to all the amplifiers... the watts/power from each of the amplifiers does NOT get passed to the next amplifier. In this video, each amplifier would have speakers attached to their outputs. Each amplifier produces 3,600 watts, which means the speakers attached to each amplifier would need to handle 3,600 watts. We take the 3,600 watts from each amp, and the speaker(s) attached to each amp, and multiply by 4 = 14,400 watts spread across the 4 amplifiers. Each amplifier would power its own speaker(s); the only similarity between the amplifiers is that they are all receiving the same line-level signal. Hope this helps.
what if you insulate each amp from rack mounts using HumFrees
I would never recommend the use of a gadget to cover up a grounding issue. If a ground loop hum is occurring due to an electrical grounding issue in an amplifier rack, the grounding issue needs to be fixed/corrected... not covered up.
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Can you post a video how to onnect multiple amps with jacks
Are you referencing the 1/4" phono-jacks for connections? If so, the phono-jacks and XLR function the same way. As long as there is a 1/4" jack for input and output into the amplifier, the same process as XLR connections can be followed.
No i ment the tulp jacks red and white can you apply the same process?
Yes - it is possible to use those jacks (RCA connections). However, the amplifier will need to have 2 sets of those jacks - 1 set x for input into the amp, and 1 x set for output of the amplifier. The manual for the amplifier may reference this type of setup.
@@stageleftaudio ok thanks for the info i will try it out
I have a question. i have a big gig coming up and to compensate i added (2) Rockville RSG12.2 Dual 12" 2000W PA Speakers+Rockville RPA8 Amplifier DJ Amp to my setup which was a hercules rmx2 running into a bbe sonic maximizer running into my rockville subwoofer that runs to my crown amp that runs to my 2 15s. how would i run my old setup and include my new addition.
if your old amps have multiple inputs just use an unused input as an output to your new PA
How much for one ?
Some 1/4 connectors are wired unbalanced and It's not a great idea to go from an unbalanced output to a balanced input without a transformer.
Correct. Also to note, short distances (usually less than 2 ft.) using unbalanced connections do not present issues. However, if using balanced connections anywhere in the routing of a sound system, it is recommended to use balanced connections everywhere in the system.
Would a rack Mount preamp increase the spl
Preamps and SPL are two different things. There's a lot of gain stages between a preamp and the SPL from the speakers.
Hi !!
It is possible to daisy chain different brands or different models of the same brand of power amps?
Thank you! :)
Yes. You can daisy chain any brand/model of amplifier as long the amplifier supports parallel inputs.
Thanks for the answer! :)
Hypothetical situation.....How many amps could be daisy chained without signal loss to the inputs? I think these amps probably have10k unbalanced/20k balance input impedance, so just wondering provided you have the proper power available. Also does that 1/4 inch need to be TRS?
+cacornett58 Good question. The most I've seen "chained" is 12 per side for FOH (QSC Powerlight amps). There may be a limitation, but seems like it would be high enough, that it would not present any issues for most setups. For short jumps (amp to amp in the same rack), TS cables work fine. If you are chaining amplifiers in separate racks (over 20' away), you will probably want to use TRS. We try to use all TRS cables for every 1/4" connection in our system; it's easier to manage the cables if they are all the same.
+stageleftaudio Thanks...interesting. Always wondered how "the pros" run those speaker arrays.
Will 4 1000 watt power amplifiers plugged into one wall outlet on a 15 amp circuit breaker cause the circuit breaker to trip
If all 4 of the amps were driven to their full power, it would trip a breaker. In fact, 2 amplifiers at full power will probably trip a breaker.
ampers x voltage = max-wattage. Therefore, a 15amp circuit running on 120 volts will support a maximum of 1800 watts.
You can plug all 4 amps into a single 15amp circuit, but do not run them at their maximum.
How does one avoid running amps at their maximum? Can you explain please.
Basically, do not turn up the volume so much that the amplifiers begin to distort (or cause speaker distortion). Or, if there are limiter (or power) lights on the amplifier... make sure neither of these are flashing (i.e. showing the amplifier is reaching its limit).
@@stageleftaudio Thank you for the quick response and explanation. I appreciate it very much.
What is a ground loop between amplifiers?
It's a ground-loop (60hz hum) situation that usually occurs between FOH and the stage, but sometimes occurs between amplifiers driving the same signal.
For the amplifiers: This occurs when 2 amplifiers are each connected to their own power source (i.e. separate circuits) and their signal inputs are daisy chained together with a balanced (aka TRS) cable. The balanced signal cable between the amplifiers may cause a ground loop. To remedy this, use a ground-lift cable between the amplifier inputs/outputs.
does each amp have their own speaker then because of the amount of power you are needing?
Correct. Each amplifier in the signal chain will have its own speaker attached to it. And because these amplifiers are configured as bridged-mono, only one speaker will be attached to each amp. Each speaker would be rated about 3500 watts (@ 4ohms)
for all the amps you are daisy chaining you are only running 2 outputs to the mixer when connecting all the amps together?
For this particular amplifier setup, there's only one output coming from the mixer. This is because the amplifiers are setup in bridged-mono, which means the amps can only accept a mono signal. There's another video on our channel that shows how to setup daisy chaining for a stereo (2-chnl) configuration.
For mono setups (as shown in the video), the mono signal driving the amplifiers would actually be coming from a crossover (for either lows or mids or highs). It's rare that we would run a full-range mono signal to a group of amplifiers (for an actual show), however, the need does come up sometimes.
I'm new to this. So now how do you run to speakers?
Each amplifier would drive a speaker-cable connected to it with a speaker at the end. In this video, the amplifiers are setup for bridged mode, therefore, each amp can only drive one 8-ohm speaker; meaning, you would need to connect a speaker to each of the BRIDGED amplifier outputs. Daisy chaining of speakers is mostly used for subs.
@@stageleftaudio , thanks. I understand. Wanted to ask tho.
I have a situation that I'm trying to do the right way. Like I said, I'm new ish to this. I'm in a local band with just a berhinger pmp 5000. I realized that I can't daisy chain basically more than two monitors together. I'm using one channel for mains and one for monitors. I do have an Inuke 1000 that I can add in to the audio outs. I'm hoping it's enough. I think if I'm running two daisy chained from my monitor channel and two from the behringer Inuke, that I can have 4 monitors without having problems.
Sounds like that should work. Make sure the speakers are 8-ohms. If they are 4-ohms, it's usually not a good idea to daisy chain two 4-ohm speakers (too much of a load for most amplifiers). Two 8-ohm speakers daisy-chained rarely ever presents a problem.
@@stageleftaudio , yes, they are. Thanks for the help
is QSC a good amplifier brand? i need a new amplifier that can drive 2 600 watts 8ohm speakers
never, ever buy skytech amps they say 250 watts per channel and they deliver 24watts per channel
Yes, QSC is a good brand. Also, other good brands we've used have been Crown and Crest-Audio. All these manufacturers make economical amplifiers as well as professional.
stageleftaudio thanks man, ill give them a look
yep crest audio pro lite series great!
Only thing qsc needs is more dapning factor
Oh Yeah, QSC is good.
Is that just for PA or can i use for music to?
+BRAAHMAN B. It can be used for music as well. However, not all amplifiers have the ability to send signals to other amplifiers - make sure your amplifiers can support that.
Ok, now where do plug the speaker into? The last amp?
The daisy chaining process is ONLY passing the line-level signal from one amp to another. Therefore, each amplifier will produce the same signal as the other; which means, each amplifier would have its own speaker connected to it. In daisy chaining, it's the signal that is passed to each amp, not the power (watts) of the amplifier.
stageleftaudio I get that part, let’s say I have two power amps and need to run both of them to one speaker cab. How would do that? Ex: let’s say I have two 1000watt amps and I want to tie them together to produce 2000watts to one speaker cab. How would I achieve this? Is it possible
I see what you are saying... VERY IMPORTANT - do NOT tie amplifiers together to make one large amplifier! This is not how amplifiers are made. You could cause a fire and/or destroy the amplifiers by trying to tie them together.
If you need more power, you will need to either bridge the amp (place a single amplifier into bridged-mode), or get a larger amplifier.
Hope this helps.
Can you do it but in stereo mode please
We do have a video covering a stereo setup:
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Out of four amplifiers which amp connect to the speakers?
The speaker connections would be to each amplifier; the daisy-chaining process is to get the signal from one amplifier to another. Daisy chaining does NOT add up all the power from the amplifiers. Each amplifier would still have speakers attached them (as they normally would).
@@stageleftaudio so if these were bass amps they all would play only bass but two speakers can be put on each amp that play bass.
is it possible to daisy chain amplifiers in modes different than bridge mono such as stereo?
+Rayan Wehbe Yes - I have another video posted that shows how to daisy-chain in stereo.
+stageleftaudio Thank you!
can we daisy chain a different amplifier? thanks
+julito Balongcas Jr. Yes.
+stageleftaudio thanks a lot sir I learn again,i need to learn because my country its a culture of festival,then have a party,thanks again
How to connect audio signal in single amplifier to mixer?
You would take the “channel 2” signal and plug it into the mixer
can you pls help me on this,i have 2 identical Power amplifiers EPX 2800 Behringer and when i connect the 2 amps together in parallel one of the amps is stronger than the other one,even the signal is stronger than the other on both full gain.i am using them on 8 Bose Bass bins 502 on 4Ohms.Thanks
+Jonathan Malta I'm not familiar with the amps, but make sure some of the basic things are not causing the problem. Look at the filter switches on the back - make sure they are all set the same for both amps (depending on how you are using your amps). If the amps should not be bridged, make sure both amps are set in "stereo" mode. If you need to make changes on the amps, make sure to make these changes with the amplifiers OFF.
If the settings on the amps are all the same, how are the levels of the amplifiers when they are not daisy chained? Do they exhibit the same behavior?
Thanks for you fast reply,from the back of the amps its all set the same on stereo,can it be the wiring of the speakers the problem? cause i have a set of speakers with proffessional cable and another set on a cheap cable.
how do you daisy chain home audio aplifiers
Harley Shubin Not sure how (or if) that could be done with home audio; unless something like a "Y" cable is used, but depending on how many amplifiers there are, that could equate to a lot of "Y" cables.
I have two sub speakers with one input running them mono. I have one QSC 2450 running both speakers but it's not enough power. I want to daisy chain another 2450 and run them in bridge mode to power each speaker separately. Where do I plug each speaker? Any guidance here would be helpful...
First... take a look at the manual for the 2450. Basically, set your amp to bridge mode (using the dip switches on the rear); next, you connect one speaker (i.e. 1 speaker wire) to the binding posts (if using binding posts). But, look at the back of the amp where the binding posts are. They show you that you must use the 2 center posts - the "+" posts (of both binding posts) to connect a speaker if the amp is bridged. Then connect an XLR cable from the input of channel "2" of the amp, and connect that XLR to the input of channel "1" on the next amp (like in the in the video). If you are using a speakon speaker cable, those must be wired differently to support the bridge operation of an amplifier.
Im having problem daisy chaining 2 Qcs 2450 , did you ended up fixing them
Dan Alden
it is class D amplifier?
These are class H. Though, the top 2 amplifiers (4-channel QSC amps) are class D.
Can I use daisy chain whit qsc 5050
+Diego Ortiz Yes.
Do you have the ground lift switches on when you are daisy chaining amplifiers from 1/4 to balanced
Normally, no ground lift switches are needed when daisy chaining. The only reason you may need to use a ground lift cable (or switch), is when the power amplifiers that you are daisy chaining are getting power from different sources. The PLX amps in this video do not have ground-lift switches.
@@stageleftaudio I have 5 racks of Crown Macro Tech amps they have the lift switches on them I have alot of buzzing coming through the speakers might have a ground loop somewhere each rack is fed back to the distro and the FOH is fed from the distro I have balanced and unbalanced cables throughout the system the amps are daisy chained from the crossovers the amps are running on 220v and 110v
@@stageleftaudio I might have a bad crossover or something going on in 1 of the racks the others seemed to work fine then I heard a very loud blaaaaahhhhh through the speakers then it popped the breaker at the distro didn't hurt the amps any but I wiggled the cables in the back of the crossover then it went back to normal, weird don't know if the subs jiggled the cable loose or what? Or I have some bad cables
Noise in a system can easily come from bad/inferior cables, or using unbalanced cables, and sometimes from a passive crossover. Older crossovers (depending on much they have been used) can start exhibiting behavior similar to ground-loops. The cheapest and quickest check would be the cables. Also, make sure there is no oxidation on the cables or the insert points of the crossover. Oxidation causes issues with contact points.
@@stageleftaudio I'll check it out see what's going on with it I know it's in the 1 rack and not the rest of the system must be a bad cable because I wiggled it and then everything went back to normal probably the xlr plug on the end of it had a bad cable in my other rack that was making noise running my 5002vz's it was making all types of noise I had some other crossovers in my racks before think they must of caused some ground loops and probably fried some cables so I changed them out because they were bad and making all types of racket I have some TDM 4 ways in it now the crossover that was in my sub rack was making the wires smoke
Have been having a problem with this
Make sure the amplifiers you are using can support the passing of signals out of the amplifier. Also, setting the input of an amplifier in parallel mode (not the amplifier itself, but the input), will usually allow the second input of the amp to act as a pass-through for signals.
What are the amps for power when you plug it in to a outlet?
Those amplifiers are the QSC PLX-3602 series. Those are 3,600 watts each when run in bridged mode.
@@stageleftaudio I know that. But im talking about when you plug it into the generator what are the amps on the box?
Sorry for the confusion. What do you mean by "what are the amps on the box"? The amplifiers are 15amp units... not sure if that is what you are looking for.
@@stageleftaudio that's what I was looking for thank you. Other wise 3 units would be 45amps to power them
The amperage is the maximum the amplifier can draw when the amplifier is running close to full power. Correct, for 3 amplifiers, it would be safe to have 45 amps available... but that is only if the amps were to run full-power.
Can you just do xlr cables
Yes. For these amplifiers, XLR cables can be used. In the video, I used 1/4" to XLR to show they too can be used (for those who have amplifiers without all XLR connectors). The cable format that is needed to daisy chain is dependent on what the amplifier supports.
ese amplificador plx3602 puede mover dos bajos p300 en estereo
que opinion tienen aserca de este amplificador plx3602 para mover bajos..
Los amplfiers PLX hacen bien para las frecuencias bajas. El modelo PLX (y otros modelos clase-h) hacen bien, pero por muy buenos bajos, los / b amplificadores de clase A de más edad hacen muy bien. Estos amplificadores de mayor edad se les llama "Big Iron". Pueden ser muy pesado.
I have 3 qsc dca 3422 amps, can they be daisy chained?
+Marv Reyes Yes - the DCA series should have the same type of input connections as the PLX series (used in the video).
Thank you, they have the switches like the rmx series for stereo, parallel, bridge, filter and limiter. On each channel one xlr input and one 1/4 input. Your video has been very helpful, I used a split cable from crossover to the amplifiers, which is not recommended, I was very curious on daisy chain my amplifiers, Thank you for share your knowledge.
+Marv Reyes Thanks for the comments.
Do you believe I can do one amplifier for tops, then a crossover for subs then 2 more amps?
+Marv Reyes Yes. That is how multiple amplifiers are setup to run multiple speakers. The signal from the board would first go to the crossover, then the "highs" and "lows" from the crossover would feed their respective amplifiers.
SIR CAN I USE DEFFERENT AMPLIFIERS FOR DAISY CHAIN
Yes you can
If you crank up the master volume on your mixing console to 35 percent volume and your power amplifiers are not clipping and your gains on the mixing console are set correctly and your at unity gain on the mixing console and your using a compressor to prevent clipping and your speakers still sound distorted would this mean that it’s all boiling down to the power amplifiers themselves being internally damaged or due to the fact that the power amplifiers are very cheap and overrated.
From the type of setup you are referencing, audible distortion can come from undersized amplifiers being pushed/driven at their maximum power (for a sustained period of time). Also, distortion could be from the speaker drivers themselves, usually the high-frequency speakers and mid-range (if the cabinet has mid-range drivers); the speakers are being driven beyond their capabilities for a sustained period of time.
Ohh what a pain.. Jack to xlr all the way
como puedo sacar buen sonido sin crozzover?
Sí , se puede obtener un buen sonido sin un crossover . Pero los acontecimientos más grandes casi siempre requieren el uso de un crossover .
These amps not cheap.
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When you're in Bridget mode you're supposed to have both channel to go in the same adjustment on panel. because it has an amp for channel and is bridging them. Both gains have to be in the same setting during bridge mode say in manual. This guys daisy chaing all the amp and having 1ch all amps bridged and only ch1 up is bad for the amps it well send power back through ch2 and cause issues. Says in manual. On all amps bridge able. This guy left out important detail.. Bbbbaaaaddddddd
+Lucky Barker Many professional amplifiers only use channel 1 (and its gain control) for bridged operation. From the QSC manual:
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Bridge Mode: Bridge mode configures the channel pair to drive a single high-power loudspeaker load. The INPUT CONFIGURATION switch must be set for BRIDGE mode. Use only Channel 1’s input and Gain control. Set Channel 2’s Gain control at minimum.
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Other lines/manufactures of amplifiers may use the gain control of both channels for bridged operation. It's always best to check the manual before configuring an amplifier for bridged operation. Also - many amplifiers DO NOT support bridging.
I don't know what kind of amp/amps you are using, but stageleftaudio is correct, read your manual, as most pro amps work the same way, adjustment is on ch1, and ch2 is left at no gain. READ THE MANUAL!