Im a 44 year old black women and guess who inspires me to push harder?! Sam Sulek. Ill never look like him lol nor do I want too but he motivates me to push harder. Im not his target audience.
yes, very articulate. unfortunately nothing he says really makes sense. at 4:50 he says a sphere lets you dissipate heat quickly, which is wrong, the sphere has the lowest surface for any given volume, so bad heat dissipation. he already said that in cold climate animals have short limps, they try to become a sphere so they dissipate low heat. at 2:20 he says asians the best cold adapted. at 8:30 he says since blacks are the best heat adapted, they tend to store fat the worst. then at 8:40 he says asians get ripped since they have trouble storing fat.
@@maxjk1143 It makes sense, you just didn't understand. Cold climate animals do not become spherical, they have short limbs and large torsos to keep bodyheat high and blood close to the heart. He doesn't say Asians struggle, he says that the social pressure to be thin means they start at a lower bf% and therefore seem to get ripped easier, but should've clarified that's social and not genetic.
@@maxjk1143 Umm....a sphere has more exposed surface, when you put it on top of another shape. That's what he meant. A bicep, for example, that looks more spherical, has more exposed surface for its volume than a bicep that conforms more to the skeleton and surrounding muscles. Because proportionally less of its area is sitting next to the skeleton or other muscles. More of it is protruding out away from the body and out into the big wide world. And being most cold adapted, doesn't mean storing most fat. Fat is not the best solution to retaining heat. It's more a last-ditch band-aid, and more to do with storing energy, than retaining heat. A seal isn't superbly cold-adapted because it has more fat. An obese dude has way thicker fat than a seal. The seal is cold-adapted, because of its shape. If it kept the same amount of fat, but that fat was in the shape of a bunch of "bubbly" muscles, it would lose more heat. It doesn't have long arms and legs sticking out, acting like heatsink fins.
@@maxjk1143oh well, when you try to outsmart and every of your points get destroyed by people schooling you. Sometimes youtube comments are just golden. Try to get your phd first, before schooling other phds 😂
People are typically somewhat fine with it when it’s obvious like black people being dominant in sprinting or basketball, for some reason if it goes further like especially intelligence you could lose your platform fast
@@FillegubbenI disagree. Many on left or weak minded individuals would blow a gasket if you talk about the differences in men and woman. Which are facts. Sure the mental one is dumb. But there are definitely a difference in the races as they talk about. And a much bigger difference with men and women that you can’t talk about.
I find it especially sad how everyone just talks about what is expected to talk about in the way we're supposed to talk about it. We let other people define our interests, opinions and the way we're supposed to talk about certain things. It's a tale as old as humanity, people able to swerve the opinion of the masses. What is acceptable today wasn't before and society will keep evolving with 90% of people mindlessly subscribing to the ideas they're supposed to believe at the moment.
@@russgunter3834 Really? Even from the lefties, I have not really seen people deny the physical advantage men have thanks to the hormone washes we get during development. I thought it was only the trans stuff that was controversial.
I live this conversation. It brought a clear cut explanation to body types while acknowledging stereotypes speaking about their origins and explaining them in a non offensive way. Great job we need more of these. As a trainer I have conversations like this with others all the time this is so good for awareness
Specially the tons of variations part - and observing that steroids make a lot of the physique of top athletes, specially in strength and bodybuilding style of competitions, and that's besides the huge work those people perform to get there (because contemporary sports don't really have a ton of amateurs for the most part). Your genetics can't be hugely changed - or we aren't there technologically. You are likely not a Jordan (a person with a big outlier in hands size relative to body proportions and jumping capacity and athleticism), a Ronnie (a big limbed guy, with relatively shorter torso, but also a big frame to put muscle on) or a Brian Shaw (a really big guy with space in his whole body to put a ton of muscle, a stockier and less lean person that can build a lot of muscle, but likely couldn't really bodybuild). Those guys got the genetics, but they worked a lot to get to live like the insane outliers they are.
My Page Is about this. I reversed sickle cell trait using these theories. I wasn’t supposed to play basketball past 19 years old because of my frequent hospital visits. After applying these theories I was able to play pro basketball in Spain and also make it to mini camp with the Jacksonville Jaguars
@@VeteranVandal entire arguement is flawd. iF you took a couple high school football teams and gave them the same gear protocol/ training that ian vallare gave to a teenage chris bumstead, chris wouldnt of won. The amount of early teenagers on gear being trained by a pro is small cant even compare what makes up good genetics when the pros are all on steroids.
sick of not being able to talk about things like this. Everyone gets so defensive about skin color and cannot accept that there are biological differences of all races which is actually cool af to think about how we are all human, yet so different. Loved listening to this. 2-month post comment update: Look at the cute little keyboard warriors trying to one-up one another with their “intellect” and have nothing to do better with their lives. To those who understood the positivity of the original comment, you rock. To the incels who need sunlight and a bit of grass between their fingers, you are a part of the problem. I come back to this post after 2-months and am confused what any of you are confused about? I’m assuming it hurts you to think beyond the usual 1-dimensional thinking you’re accustomed to but do yourself a favor and hop off the internet and find a productive outlet to expand your inability to critically think beyond what you see with your eyes. See you in another 2-months 👍
Probably partially because you allude there are differences between skin colors, but that has almost nothing to do with it. Significant differences were observed between west Africans and south Africans, moreso than between blacks and whites as a whole, for instance. It's probably best to just discuss differences in body compositions overall. Otherwise someone will think 'this is a black trait' and 'this is a white trait' when it is far more specific than that, and we make silly perceived distinctions based on skin color, while they are much more specific than that.
@@flareshifttExactly. The whole discussion felt like those had by 1940s eugenics. Instead of just talking about different body compositions and advantage/disadvantages. Very pretentious discussion imo.
I’m a white guy. I started lifting because of Rocky/Stallone. But my ultimate physique became Lee Haney 8 time Mr Olympia. Obviously I couldn’t look like Lee, but I had his physique in my head while I trained.
I understand this. I started lifting because of Arnold but I think I'd choose to look like prime Steve Reeves. No way I could be as lean as him at my age but he's the inspiration.
Damn...Dr. Mikes dry humour and sarcasm is some of the best in the world. Just slips things in there so nonchalant. Like the veins..."yea, there they are (raises eyebrows real quick)." Can't help but laugh and rewind to listen to them a few times. Definitely a good dude to be around and just roast each other I bet.
My 2 favorite guys, I’m still a novice in this world but I love both these guys content. Been listening to Dr. Mike all morning then this pops up, gotta love it!
I really enjoyed this conversation and the open and honest conversation about race and genetics. I understand why it's a sensitive topic, especially since that topic has been used to oppress and insult groups of people. It's nice to see that topic explored in a factual context.
In today's society the left wants you to think all humans are identical, men and women are the same so you can interchange between them depending on mood, races are the same so you can't talk about genetic differences.
racial and genetic differences should be acknowledged, and it can be subject to scrutiny and even influence policy adaption, all without the purpose of hate, but the mutual benefit of all the different ethnicities within a region. the key is people have to be objective and mature, the problem is a lot of people are so scared of offending people, they would rather pretend that everyone is exactly the same.
@@gardenguster5271 Here is a genuine question because I see everyong using race as the word to describe different I guess you could call us distinctions of humans. Does race actually work for that or should it only be ethnicity because we are called the human race? Or is the human race a falsify and we are the human species?
Wow 🤩…. I’m Puerto Rican ..mixture of three races…Spaniard,African and Native Indians… BUT, this has got to be of the most compelling, interesting and knowledgeable conversation ever in regards to health. You guys should write a book 📕
True and Native Americans(native american indians as you write) are part of the mongoloid race for the most part..but actually not 100% mongoloid..they are like 65-70% north-east asian(mongoloid) and 30-35% middle eastern farmers (caucasian) so you thechnically a mix of the 3 biggest races
@@Momoa786native Americans aren't part middle Eastern farmer, the heck. They're mostly east Asian with some pan-eurasian (specifically a group referred to as ancient north eurasians, basically white people but pan-eurasian is a better term)and yes this is actual science
I loved this conversation. Dr. Mike was respectful and as always provided us a plethora of facts. I think the discord between these two is awesome, and I wish more people could have conversations like this and see it for what it is. Also, just as they both attested to. Looking at others physique for inspiration is great but knowing you have your own unique genetic and dispositions and can only become the best version of yourself is the best piece of advice one could gain on this journey to transform yourself
The mental and verbal gymnastics required and performed in order for this conversation take place are commendable. And as a black man of West African decent I can definitely attest to the truth about us having small calves! ✌🏾✌🏾
Well son, let me break it to ya! Many of the differences this dude puts on race are actually due to culture and nutrition rather than race. Although certain features do tend to be pooled along racial lines, there isn’t a hard line. That’s why you WILL get Asians with builds more like a black dude especially as Asia becomes more westernized, or whites with bodies more akin to older generations of Asians with long torsos and short legs! In addition, many stereotypes just not true! Example, the black versus white jumping myth. Reason? We tend to see high jumping blacks in basketball, a household sport ,while whites who jump just as higher….. sometimes higher, tend to be concentrated in volleyball……. Not very household of a sport this we never see them. But they’re there
@@channelwhoa66 the differences he talked about are real. we have seen them, of course on averages. yes you can find white people that jump higher than any black dude and you can find black dudes with calves bigger than any white dude, but on average you see differences in the numbers.
@@paulogaspar8295 TF?! Did I deny that?! I said, that many of those physical differences are due to social circumstances rather than average genetics associated with race. And this dude is doing what scientists should NOT do and is facilitating the dissemination of misinformation. Scientists should be descriptive while caveating that in THIS case, it’s not known whether it’s genetic or social environment!
@@channelwhoa66social circumstances don’t change skeletal and muscular genetics bro. Oh I’m just gonna eat chicken all day I seem to have grown extra wingspan. Oh I play Minecraft all day and never leave my house hence I have great calves. The races are different just how YHWH made them.
@@a.c.slater573 Um, yes they do. The average Asian Americans have very different builds than the average person in Asia. Also….. remember how people the world over have gotten taller due to different nutrition. Finally, it’s a known fact that, nutrition affects torso to leg length ratios. Learn something. FOOL
I always found this topic in bodybuilding exceptionally interesting, unfortunate it goes so untapped. One of my favorite aspects of bodybuilding is just seeing the different shapes and forms the human body can come in. Great video.
This is an extremely interesting topic that I'm glad you guys covered. I, myself as a Korean, have a really short torso and short limbs. Didn't get blessed with great genetics body wise, but did get blessed with the mental aspect to make the best of what I have.
Super interesting stuff! Love that you’re talking about it on an open forum. So stupid that topics like this risk getting canceled/banned. Nothing racist and about it, just facts
I'm so glad that Dr Mike clarified that either way you just do your best. I run into way too many guys who neglect parts of their training or even don't train at all because of their 'genetics'.
Why is it medical nonsense? Mike has PHD pretty much in this field, it baffles me y’all question him SOOOOOO much, without any evidence otherwise, it’s all real medical knowledge and easily tracked through genetics research man, also just not being a fucking idiot and being able to make simple observations of the world around you and the information one is presented with… that also helps.
@@coenduda7746 it’s “nonsense” because it’s comical and whether it’s true or not doesn’t make it the least intellectual part of the conversation when it comes to genetics. Hence. “Medical nonsense”. I love Mike and Jonni’s legit advise. I just appreciated the comical side of them as well.
This reminds me of the videos I saw from Team 3D Alpha a couple years ago going over genetics around the world. Extremely informative and very interesting stuff
I actually find this subject very fascinating. Anything dealing with genetics is always interesting. However the point he made regarding Asian people being able to get really ripped, I think you also have to factor in the cultural influences that impact that as well. Asians eat very lean in general. It's not to say there aren't any over weight Asian people, but I think their diet in general is conducive to them being lean and culturally that is considered an attractive aesthetic to most Asian cultures, I think. The sumo wrestlers are an exception to that.
I believe that it is very frowned upon for someone to be big in Asian culture, whether we're talking fat or jacked. There, the most socially acceptable look is to be as skinny as you can. If someone participates in a sport it is more widely accepted though (incl. sumo), and of course you will see some changes in attitude over time as especially younger people are exposed to foreigners more easily via the Internet and media.
but its not just a cultural standard, there must be some genetic component.. Like he mentioned their glute maxs tend to be smaller even if they train just as much.. This is even more prominent in asian women who struggle to grow their glutes the most out of any ethnic group probably ever. I'm asian, im not looking for excuses but im curious as to why these seem to be common trends. Also im not built like the typical asian he described so im especially not looking for excuses for myself. I actually have zero interest in body building and more intrigued by athletics. all my muscle insertions are short and tend to be more bubbly despite being small,, my shin is more achilles than calf.. I think this might be a result of fast twitch bias since i love jumping as high as I can. i agree with Dr Mike that fast twitch is overstated, but there is definitely some effect on appearance based on fiber distribution
Yeah, in countries like Japan they eat overall much healthier. Smaller portion sizes, less processed foods. We should definitely learn from Japan so we can improve our own health, as obesity is a huge problem here in the west, but not so much in Japan and Singapore.
@@lonelylama5222not Korea tho. We eat a ton of red meat, fried foods, cheese, processed foods, etc. Growing up my mom fed me red meat damn near every meal. Just look at alot of the Korean foods that are popular globally- Korean bbq, Korean corn dog (an American corn dog on steroids), the street food. I couldn’t put on weight if I tried my best (and I have), and it’s not just cuz of youth anymore, as I’m in my nearly 30 now and so many guys my age who used to be skinny growing up are overweight now. Also you see a lot of those Asian mukbangers who eat like a pig and look skinny af. Diet could be a reason, but I think there are may be other factors at play.
@@whiskeyneat97I'm the opposite . I got bullied for being fat and started training and started manhandling them in the wrestling room and setting Powerlifting records at my school .
Incredibly tactful and interesting discussion. I barely feel like i learn anything from youtube but i learned a lot from this and left with a better attitude
Genetics plays a role, however, I know tons of asian who were quite lean on their countries, they come to the US, and then become morbid or quite fat, and when they came back to their countries, in a couple of months they are lean again, so definitely the lifestyle and foods that they eat there is the real key. Best
not just the foods they eat but also the oils they use to cook food with as well as the oils used in fast food and while eating out. Its usually the cheapest stuff one can find in USA like canola and cottonseed oils
I have never been to America, but from what I've see US-American food seems to be big in portion. If you have a group of people that overall often a little smaller in body size eating suddenly a lot bigger portions of course they'll gain weight.
Very informative👍👍👍 Genetics is the most important thing for excelling in bodybuilding. No amount of hard work, discipline, or PEDs can change it. Dr. Mike has said it right that we have our own hills to climb.
Question for all of you here. Dr Mike talks about the difference of body types between the 3 main "races" of Humans Me being asian i kinda wonder What are the strong points of our genetics in terms of aesthetics, body types and athleticism, strength and speed.
I just feel blessed that it turns out that my genetics have allowed me to build a pretty good physique with just three years of consistent training, and I'm 58 now. Not looking to go competitive, but with my results at this age, I probably could have had that option when I was younger.
I've been wondering for 20yrs why, me and other black guys, got skinny chicken legs and all the asian people (male & female) had big/thick calves!! Thanks to Dr. Mike for finally providing an answer!! I guess I'll just keep blasting my calves and praying for the best...
I'd totally watch you two just chilling watching TV or playing games on twitch or something. You two just have that thing where you might not be close but you just get each other. Effortless.
You guys are my inspiration for my journey. The motivation skill technique knowledge is epic! But Jonni did you give Dr.Mike his high protein bar? Oh and need more WAY more of this right here
Haha, don't worry, I didn't forget to give Dr. Mike his high protein bar! I made sure he had his post-workout fuel. And don't worry, we'll bring you more epic content, just like you asked!
@@JonniShreve 🤣🤣 Man that's epic!! So can't wait to meet you and Dr.Mike in person someday. I'll have to bring you my last jelly donut aye……. But on a real note both of you guys give me motivation and inspiration to be the best me I am iron sharpens iron keep dream chasing
this is super interesting. with me being black it blew my mind how accurate the things dr mike was saying. the short torso, long limbs, and even the small calves(Unfortunately😢) i can all identify on my body and my dads. as for the low hanging kevin levrone triceps im in the middle. my lateral head is very high but the long head of my tricep is damn near touching my elbow. its an awkward look but i think the lateral head matters alot more for aesthetics from the front view. if your lateral head hangs low it gives that sweep look across your arm when resting like kevin levrone. if your lateral head inserts close to your elbow your lucky af
I really appreciate this conversation - back during my undergrad this stuff was part of my education in human biology, anthropology, anatomy and evolution. Its completely ok to talk about this stuff people. Another thumbs up!
I heard a guy in the military say when he was in Africa there were tribesman who's blood was adapted to clotting very quickly. So if they sustained a wound from a cut or a bite, their bodies would stop the bleeding more quickly. I think he said it something to do with adapting to very little water.
Maybe, but in Africa there's quite a few genetic outliers. Sickle cells for hemocytes apparently evolved so that people got less of some regional diseases. There are quite a few other examples. Our time with geographic isolation wasn't long, but it was long enough for genes to be selected. I unfortunately was born with a larger torso and live in a hot country, so... Sometimes we are just not gonna be very adequate to our environment.
@@badart3204 I find that a bit curious tbh... Because you have to take into account that Asia and Europe aren't really their own continents, they're both part of the same landmass the same way Africa is, and I gotta say the difference between Chinese people, the Slavs, the Indians, and the British is pretty obvious. Eurasia seems to be a pretty genetically diverse place.
@@BootyGoblinesque Only skin-deep. Genetic variation isn't always expressed through phenotypes (outward appearances) and the way I like to see it is, how many letters are in your genetic group? Whites and Asians might be far away from Blacks, and they have W X Y Z. Africans on the other hand just cover a bigger group of letters: A B C D E F G H I J etc. That's more generic variation, even if they look about as similar to each other as Whites do to each other.
Very informative and interesting discussion. It's really a shame that anything even insinuating that people are different is taboo to the point where science has to shy away from studying very important human health topics. People are different, it's a scientific fact and simply the reality of the situation. It shouldn't be politically incorrect to acknowledge it.
Wow, so philosophical and deep. Makes me think of all of the people with body dysmorphia. Work on your fitness goals, and allow yourself to be inspired by others amazing work!
holy shit, this may be the most educational video ever. I can't wait to tell all my black friends that they have small calves, and all my Asian friends that they have small asses. I have no friends.
Came over from Dr Mike's page, probably one of his only female fans, and I must say I loved this discussion. A great example of intelligent and informed conversation versus the kind of racial and sexist crap that ACTUALLY gets you cancelled. Great content guys!
Very cool video and chat! I think the "thick skin" is more to do with water. I have heard of coaches having difficulty cutting water from certain athletes from hot countries
Nice point, seems reasonable, also, regarding asian leaness, I think is has to do with their cultural diet and gastronomy, they eat super clean and tend not to be full, anyway, Ive seen fat asians, specially in business departaments.
Dope video, never watched you before but Mike is a sick guest because he's intelligent and respectful but not afraid to 'gently' attack these somwhat taboo topics. Great vid
Important thing is hypo/hyperthyroidism. Most " hardgainers" probably just dont eat but some have hyperthyroidism and that can make muscle- growth difficult as can hypothyroidism. Both unhealthy too. Both conditions can go overlooked for a long time and show up later in life too. Both easily treatable.
It makes sense that North/East Asians are cold adapted because of the climate, but that makes me wonder about South and Southeast Asians. I would presume they would need to be heat-adapted, as well, similar to Africans. Indian people are quite literally of Caucasian descent, as in descended from people from the Caucasus mountains.
a lot of history that wasn't documented until recently. Its hard to give a blanket statement that indians are of caucasian descent. we can only speculate but asians in general have bigger calves because of the mountainous terrain
Indians are a mix of caucasoid Iranian population groups and native dravidoid Vedic inhabitants that are closest related to Australioid populations in Papua and AUS. Same applies to SEA populations but instead of caucasoids it was mongoloids that came over
This is the first time I've seen a bodybuilder not waving his arms or playing with his arm muscles while talking. This means that Dr. Mike Israetel is a confident person who draws the listener's attention not to his muscles, but to the topic of the conversation and the facts. I'm grateful to you for this video, I found it interesting.
Im a 44 year old black women and guess who inspires me to push harder?! Sam Sulek. Ill never look like him lol nor do I want too but he motivates me to push harder. Im not his target audience.
There are WAY too many women who DO want to look like Sam Sulek!
@@Ease54who cares? People have preferences. People can coexist with differing preferences.
In all honesty, while listening to Sam his target audience is whoever will listen really humble guy
@@Ease54
Are... Are you sure? You haven't heard of girls avoiding the bench so that their "tits won't shrink"?
@@MeditationsWithSamThe problem lies with that they wont ever see their desired results resulting in a worsening mental health.
Dr Mike is so articulate, interesting discussion man should do more of these!
more coming for sure!
yes, very articulate. unfortunately nothing he says really makes sense.
at 4:50 he says a sphere lets you dissipate heat quickly, which is wrong, the sphere has the lowest surface for any given volume, so bad heat dissipation. he already said that in cold climate animals have short limps, they try to become a sphere so they dissipate low heat.
at 2:20 he says asians the best cold adapted.
at 8:30 he says since blacks are the best heat adapted, they tend to store fat the worst.
then at 8:40 he says asians get ripped since they have trouble storing fat.
@@maxjk1143 It makes sense, you just didn't understand. Cold climate animals do not become spherical, they have short limbs and large torsos to keep bodyheat high and blood close to the heart. He doesn't say Asians struggle, he says that the social pressure to be thin means they start at a lower bf% and therefore seem to get ripped easier, but should've clarified that's social and not genetic.
@@maxjk1143 Umm....a sphere has more exposed surface, when you put it on top of another shape. That's what he meant. A bicep, for example, that looks more spherical, has more exposed surface for its volume than a bicep that conforms more to the skeleton and surrounding muscles. Because proportionally less of its area is sitting next to the skeleton or other muscles. More of it is protruding out away from the body and out into the big wide world.
And being most cold adapted, doesn't mean storing most fat. Fat is not the best solution to retaining heat. It's more a last-ditch band-aid, and more to do with storing energy, than retaining heat. A seal isn't superbly cold-adapted because it has more fat. An obese dude has way thicker fat than a seal. The seal is cold-adapted, because of its shape. If it kept the same amount of fat, but that fat was in the shape of a bunch of "bubbly" muscles, it would lose more heat. It doesn't have long arms and legs sticking out, acting like heatsink fins.
@@maxjk1143oh well, when you try to outsmart and every of your points get destroyed by people schooling you. Sometimes youtube comments are just golden. Try to get your phd first, before schooling other phds 😂
I really respect that you both will have this conversation. It’s crazy you have to be so careful, but kudos to you both.
People are typically somewhat fine with it when it’s obvious like black people being dominant in sprinting or basketball, for some reason if it goes further like especially intelligence you could lose your platform fast
@@FillegubbenI disagree. Many on left or weak minded individuals would blow a gasket if you talk about the differences in men and woman. Which are facts. Sure the mental one is dumb. But there are definitely a difference in the races as they talk about. And a much bigger difference with men and women that you can’t talk about.
Meanwhile Team3dalpha's thumbnails 🤣
I find it especially sad how everyone just talks about what is expected to talk about in the way we're supposed to talk about it.
We let other people define our interests, opinions and the way we're supposed to talk about certain things.
It's a tale as old as humanity, people able to swerve the opinion of the masses. What is acceptable today wasn't before and society will keep evolving with 90% of people mindlessly subscribing to the ideas they're supposed to believe at the moment.
@@russgunter3834 Really? Even from the lefties, I have not really seen people deny the physical advantage men have thanks to the hormone washes we get during development. I thought it was only the trans stuff that was controversial.
I'm not fat, im cold adapted
Could the longer limbs difference, as explained, also be the reason why some of us are known to be more endowed on average?!😲
@@ntwalipat2 to radiate heat, hahaha. Could actually be the reverse tho, tiny doesnt freeze off as fast
@@rando9574
That makes sense! No wonder we experience temporary shrinkage in the cold temperatures.🥶
I live this conversation. It brought a clear cut explanation to body types while acknowledging stereotypes speaking about their origins and explaining them in a non offensive way. Great job we need more of these. As a trainer I have conversations like this with others all the time this is so good for awareness
Specially the tons of variations part - and observing that steroids make a lot of the physique of top athletes, specially in strength and bodybuilding style of competitions, and that's besides the huge work those people perform to get there (because contemporary sports don't really have a ton of amateurs for the most part). Your genetics can't be hugely changed - or we aren't there technologically. You are likely not a Jordan (a person with a big outlier in hands size relative to body proportions and jumping capacity and athleticism), a Ronnie (a big limbed guy, with relatively shorter torso, but also a big frame to put muscle on) or a Brian Shaw (a really big guy with space in his whole body to put a ton of muscle, a stockier and less lean person that can build a lot of muscle, but likely couldn't really bodybuild). Those guys got the genetics, but they worked a lot to get to live like the insane outliers they are.
It's not a stereotype.
@@angeloramirez1249it almost certainly is
My Page Is about this. I reversed sickle cell trait using these theories. I wasn’t supposed to play basketball past 19 years old because of my frequent hospital visits. After applying these theories I was able to play pro basketball in Spain and also make it to mini camp with the Jacksonville Jaguars
@@VeteranVandal entire arguement is flawd. iF you took a couple high school football teams and gave them the same gear protocol/ training that ian vallare gave to a teenage chris bumstead, chris wouldnt of won. The amount of early teenagers on gear being trained by a pro is small cant even compare what makes up good genetics when the pros are all on steroids.
Damn, this is refreshing man. Talking about real shit and not getting butt hurt
This was genuinely one of the most enjoyable conversations I've seen related to bodybuilding
I feel like I'm watching a guide on which race to pick in skyrim or something
The most serious Dr Mike would ever be.
can't blame him, one wrong word and all the butlers go on a strike
well this topic is like walking on eggshells
Dr. Mike looked baked 🍃😂
Dr. Mike sound like he's been cutting for 16weeks
Gotta be ripped to casually talk about cockazoids
Dr mike isnt baked hes fried
Idk seems more like he has a massive carb meal and is squashed and mellow
I was gonna say the same lmao he's sarcastic and all but chilled out in this one
sick of not being able to talk about things like this. Everyone gets so defensive about skin color and cannot accept that there are biological differences of all races which is actually cool af to think about how we are all human, yet so different. Loved listening to this.
2-month post comment update: Look at the cute little keyboard warriors trying to one-up one another with their “intellect” and have nothing to do better with their lives. To those who understood the positivity of the original comment, you rock. To the incels who need sunlight and a bit of grass between their fingers, you are a part of the problem. I come back to this post after 2-months and am confused what any of you are confused about? I’m assuming it hurts you to think beyond the usual 1-dimensional thinking you’re accustomed to but do yourself a favor and hop off the internet and find a productive outlet to expand your inability to critically think beyond what you see with your eyes. See you in another 2-months 👍
Yeah, it's like dwarves, elves and the khajit
Probably partially because you allude there are differences between skin colors, but that has almost nothing to do with it. Significant differences were observed between west Africans and south Africans, moreso than between blacks and whites as a whole, for instance.
It's probably best to just discuss differences in body compositions overall. Otherwise someone will think 'this is a black trait' and 'this is a white trait' when it is far more specific than that, and we make silly perceived distinctions based on skin color, while they are much more specific than that.
Because unfortunately for many there are definitive winners and definitive loosers
@@flareshifttExactly. The whole discussion felt like those had by 1940s eugenics.
Instead of just talking about different body compositions and advantage/disadvantages.
Very pretentious discussion imo.
@@prestonfisher2632no it’s not
I’m a white guy. I started lifting because of Rocky/Stallone. But my ultimate physique became Lee Haney 8 time Mr Olympia. Obviously I couldn’t look like Lee, but I had his physique in my head while I trained.
I have like a weird platz, mentzer, Zane ideal
@@Billybobaggins9 Perfection.
I want to be Leon Edwards
I understand this. I started lifting because of Arnold but I think I'd choose to look like prime Steve Reeves. No way I could be as lean as him at my age but he's the inspiration.
so Samir bannout Type phsiyque?@@Billybobaggins9
Damn...Dr. Mikes dry humour and sarcasm is some of the best in the world. Just slips things in there so nonchalant. Like the veins..."yea, there they are (raises eyebrows real quick)." Can't help but laugh and rewind to listen to them a few times. Definitely a good dude to be around and just roast each other I bet.
@9:01 “he gots some titties and shit” lmaooo idk why but i lost it
My 2 favorite guys, I’m still a novice in this world but I love both these guys content. Been listening to Dr. Mike all morning then this pops up, gotta love it!
I really enjoyed this conversation and the open and honest conversation about race and genetics. I understand why it's a sensitive topic, especially since that topic has been used to oppress and insult groups of people. It's nice to see that topic explored in a factual context.
In today's society the left wants you to think all humans are identical, men and women are the same so you can interchange between them depending on mood, races are the same so you can't talk about genetic differences.
racial and genetic differences should be acknowledged, and it can be subject to scrutiny and even influence policy adaption, all without the purpose of hate, but the mutual benefit of all the different ethnicities within a region. the key is people have to be objective and mature, the problem is a lot of people are so scared of offending people, they would rather pretend that everyone is exactly the same.
@@gardenguster5271 Here is a genuine question because I see everyong using race as the word to describe different I guess you could call us distinctions of humans. Does race actually work for that or should it only be ethnicity because we are called the human race? Or is the human race a falsify and we are the human species?
@@gardenguster5271 Great breakdown, thank you!
Taboo topics have always existed. People who are afraid of even discussing the status quo of the time even in a civil factual conversation.
Wow 🤩…. I’m Puerto Rican ..mixture of three races…Spaniard,African and Native Indians… BUT, this has got to be of the most compelling, interesting and knowledgeable conversation ever in regards to health. You guys should write a book 📕
I noticed the biggest variation in the Latino community .
True and Native Americans(native american indians as you write) are part of the mongoloid race for the most part..but actually not 100% mongoloid..they are like 65-70% north-east asian(mongoloid) and 30-35% middle eastern farmers (caucasian) so you thechnically a mix of the 3 biggest races
@@Momoa786native Americans aren't part middle Eastern farmer, the heck. They're mostly east Asian with some pan-eurasian (specifically a group referred to as ancient north eurasians, basically white people but pan-eurasian is a better term)and yes this is actual science
@@Momoa786Tf is with this psedoscience lol
I loved this conversation. Dr. Mike was respectful and as always provided us a plethora of facts. I think the discord between these two is awesome, and I wish more people could have conversations like this and see it for what it is. Also, just as they both attested to. Looking at others physique for inspiration is great but knowing you have your own unique genetic and dispositions and can only become the best version of yourself is the best piece of advice one could gain on this journey to transform yourself
Thank you for being brave enough to have this open anthropological discussion
Bro what the fuck is ur comment 😂😂😂😂 Yea so brave man
@@gttc321Brother, Dr. Mike is a legit academic. Discussing race differences is REAL RISK for him.
These two dudes are the reason I’m beasting my gains in the gym on my two-a-day routine. Sick results in just 6 months. Update coming soon!
Where at
Show the update 😮
One of the best bodybuilding conversations Ive heard, good shit Jonny n Mike
Two great characters in this field, always a joy listening to each and especially together.
The mental and verbal gymnastics required and performed in order for this conversation take place are commendable.
And as a black man of West African decent I can definitely attest to the truth about us having small calves! ✌🏾✌🏾
Well son, let me break it to ya! Many of the differences this dude puts on race are actually due to culture and nutrition rather than race. Although certain features do tend to be pooled along racial lines, there isn’t a hard line. That’s why you WILL get Asians with builds more like a black dude especially as Asia becomes more westernized, or whites with bodies more akin to older generations of Asians with long torsos and short legs!
In addition, many stereotypes just not true! Example, the black versus white jumping myth. Reason? We tend to see high jumping blacks in basketball, a household sport ,while whites who jump just as higher….. sometimes higher, tend to be concentrated in volleyball……. Not very household of a sport this we never see them. But they’re there
@@channelwhoa66 the differences he talked about are real. we have seen them, of course on averages. yes you can find white people that jump higher than any black dude and you can find black dudes with calves bigger than any white dude, but on average you see differences in the numbers.
@@paulogaspar8295 TF?! Did I deny that?! I said, that many of those physical differences are due to social circumstances rather than average genetics associated with race. And this dude is doing what scientists should NOT do and is facilitating the dissemination of misinformation. Scientists should be descriptive while caveating that in THIS case, it’s not known whether it’s genetic or social environment!
@@channelwhoa66social circumstances don’t change skeletal and muscular genetics bro. Oh I’m just gonna eat chicken all day I seem to have grown extra wingspan. Oh I play Minecraft all day and never leave my house hence I have great calves. The races are different just how YHWH made them.
@@a.c.slater573 Um, yes they do. The average Asian Americans have very different builds than the average person in Asia.
Also….. remember how people the world over have gotten taller due to different nutrition.
Finally, it’s a known fact that, nutrition affects torso to leg length ratios.
Learn something. FOOL
I always found this topic in bodybuilding exceptionally interesting, unfortunate it goes so untapped. One of my favorite aspects of bodybuilding is just seeing the different shapes and forms the human body can come in. Great video.
Race realism is a forbidden topic. You link anything genetic to skill or ability then you're not far from eugenics.
I really like these two together, you guys make a great duo and the energy and vibe is super chill and fantastic. Great video as always
This is an extremely interesting topic that I'm glad you guys covered. I, myself as a Korean, have a really short torso and short limbs. Didn't get blessed with great genetics body wise, but did get blessed with the mental aspect to make the best of what I have.
This was the most informative Muscle related content I’ve ever seen, the fact that it’s Free is almost ridiculous, but very much appreciated.
This is real conversations! A celebrations of differences and the appreciation of the different forms of human physiques.
Loved this. Anything to get me more motivated and fuel my next work out.
Awesome! Thank you!
man I love how healthy this interaction is.
Love it when you and Mike do content together ❤
This collab made me so happy. Juji has always been such a cool dude. Great video Jonni!
Super interesting stuff! Love that you’re talking about it on an open forum. So stupid that topics like this risk getting canceled/banned. Nothing racist and about it, just facts
I'm so glad that Dr Mike clarified that either way you just do your best. I run into way too many guys who neglect parts of their training or even don't train at all because of their 'genetics'.
Great open conversation! Wish life could be like that everywhere
Mike and Jonni should have a weekly medical science nonsense show just like this.
Yeah they do a really good job bouncing ideas off each other I just subscribed to both of them from this video
Why is it medical nonsense? Mike has PHD pretty much in this field, it baffles me y’all question him SOOOOOO much, without any evidence otherwise, it’s all real medical knowledge and easily tracked through genetics research man, also just not being a fucking idiot and being able to make simple observations of the world around you and the information one is presented with… that also helps.
@@coenduda7746 it’s “nonsense” because it’s comical and whether it’s true or not doesn’t make it the least intellectual part of the conversation when it comes to genetics. Hence. “Medical nonsense”. I love Mike and Jonni’s legit advise. I just appreciated the comical side of them as well.
Now this is an official collab!Two of my favorite fitness educators.
This reminds me of the videos I saw from Team 3D Alpha a couple years ago going over genetics around the world. Extremely informative and very interesting stuff
This guy is hidden gem.
Loved this episode! Great conversation. Hope to see more content and collaborations between you two 🙏🏼💪🏼
I actually find this subject very fascinating. Anything dealing with genetics is always interesting. However the point he made regarding Asian people being able to get really ripped, I think you also have to factor in the cultural influences that impact that as well. Asians eat very lean in general. It's not to say there aren't any over weight Asian people, but I think their diet in general is conducive to them being lean and culturally that is considered an attractive aesthetic to most Asian cultures, I think. The sumo wrestlers are an exception to that.
I believe that it is very frowned upon for someone to be big in Asian culture, whether we're talking fat or jacked. There, the most socially acceptable look is to be as skinny as you can. If someone participates in a sport it is more widely accepted though (incl. sumo), and of course you will see some changes in attitude over time as especially younger people are exposed to foreigners more easily via the Internet and media.
I've never seen an Asian person on My 600 Pound Life 😂. There are overweight Asians but never extreme haha
but its not just a cultural standard, there must be some genetic component.. Like he mentioned their glute maxs tend to be smaller even if they train just as much.. This is even more prominent in asian women who struggle to grow their glutes the most out of any ethnic group probably ever. I'm asian, im not looking for excuses but im curious as to why these seem to be common trends. Also im not built like the typical asian he described so im especially not looking for excuses for myself. I actually have zero interest in body building and more intrigued by athletics. all my muscle insertions are short and tend to be more bubbly despite being small,, my shin is more achilles than calf.. I think this might be a result of fast twitch bias since i love jumping as high as I can. i agree with Dr Mike that fast twitch is overstated, but there is definitely some effect on appearance based on fiber distribution
Yeah, in countries like Japan they eat overall much healthier. Smaller portion sizes, less processed foods. We should definitely learn from Japan so we can improve our own health, as obesity is a huge problem here in the west, but not so much in Japan and Singapore.
@@lonelylama5222not Korea tho. We eat a ton of red meat, fried foods, cheese, processed foods, etc. Growing up my mom fed me red meat damn near every meal. Just look at alot of the Korean foods that are popular globally- Korean bbq, Korean corn dog (an American corn dog on steroids), the street food. I couldn’t put on weight if I tried my best (and I have), and it’s not just cuz of youth anymore, as I’m in my nearly 30 now and so many guys my age who used to be skinny growing up are overweight now. Also you see a lot of those Asian mukbangers who eat like a pig and look skinny af. Diet could be a reason, but I think there are may be other factors at play.
As someone that is starting their fitness journey at 26. This is a very interesting conversation. Thank you for the great collab!
I'm glad you found the conversation interesting! Best of luck on your fitness journey!
Wow I started at 16
@@tommy90210_ yeah, I'm a short guy and was a late bloomer. Got bullied in middle and high school by gym bro jocks, so I felt it was never for me.
@@whiskeyneat97I'm the opposite . I got bullied for being fat and started training and started manhandling them in the wrestling room and setting Powerlifting records at my school .
@@jackreacher2095 you were probably taller than 5'0" though. I wasn't manhandling anybody lol.
Incredibly tactful and interesting discussion. I barely feel like i learn anything from youtube but i learned a lot from this and left with a better attitude
Dude , dr. Mike is so knowledgeable is absolutely amazing .
finally ppl willing to have real conversations about this kind of thing! Dope video
Genetics plays a role, however, I know tons of asian who were quite lean on their countries, they come to the US, and then become morbid or quite fat, and when they came back to their countries, in a couple of months they are lean again, so definitely the lifestyle and foods that they eat there is the real key. Best
not just the foods they eat but also the oils they use to cook food with as well as the oils used in fast food and while eating out. Its usually the cheapest stuff one can find in USA like canola and cottonseed oils
@@Gainsforlife What evidence is there that cottonseed and canola oil promote higher adiposity than other cooking oils?
@@Gainsforlife bro, Delibery or restaurant food here in China is swimming in cheap oil, I am telling you
@@Gainsforlife that makes no difference what so ever in terms of calories
I have never been to America, but from what I've see US-American food seems to be big in portion. If you have a group of people that overall often a little smaller in body size eating suddenly a lot bigger portions of course they'll gain weight.
Awesome humble host 👏. Ty & gj bra. Calm, cool, & collected.
We honestly need more realtalk about subjects like this. super interesting stuff
This is elite scientific bodybuilding content. Thank you gentleman both for this collab
That is unscientific and pesudoscience.
I would love to see a semi-regular podcast between these two where they go over interesting journal publications.
This attitude is what I love about the bodybuilding community, thank you.
Very informative👍👍👍
Genetics is the most important thing for excelling in bodybuilding. No amount of hard work, discipline, or PEDs can change it.
Dr. Mike has said it right that we have our own hills to climb.
Problem is no one actually knows there's genetics and they quit because they think there a friggen genetic scientist.
Question for all of you here. Dr Mike talks about the difference of body types between the 3 main "races" of Humans Me being asian i kinda wonder What are the strong points of our genetics in terms of aesthetics, body types and athleticism, strength and speed.
Some of dr. Mikes best work. He navigated a heated subject in a really professional way
"Information was Fascinating" Workouts are doing well✌️Thank you men.Both of you are helpful❣️ Work ethics👌
Our pleasure!
Yo Jonni, love this colab and conversation topic. Really interesting.
I don't know how to explain it but this was such a cozy video.
Bro, that's legit the best video I've ever seen about bodybuilding. It's totally in a core level.
I actually prefer watching Mike as a guest on other people's channels than hosting his own videos 😂 Thanks for the upload, was a fun watch!
Brilliant ,relaxed , informative and refreshing interview.
Strive to be the best version of yourself and look to others for inspiration.
❤❤❤❤
I just feel blessed that it turns out that my genetics have allowed me to build a pretty good physique with just three years of consistent training, and I'm 58 now. Not looking to go competitive, but with my results at this age, I probably could have had that option when I was younger.
You guys NAILED this topic. Fantastic video! 🙏👏
So much information. This is the best. Very well done gentleman.
Love the honest scientific approach.
Isn't there also a slight difference in natural test levels between the three racial groups?
@EmoEmuthey arent not touching that subject
I've been wondering for 20yrs why, me and other black guys, got skinny chicken legs and all the asian people (male & female) had big/thick calves!! Thanks to Dr. Mike for finally providing an answer!! I guess I'll just keep blasting my calves and praying for the best...
I love these video collabs with Dr. Mike, huge fan of you both and the chemistry is great
Really cool topic to discuss, I’ve came to the same conclusions myself when analyzing top bodybuilders with different strengths for each race.
There have been a lot of really dope collabs after this year's O.
Amazing video guys. First time at channel and listening to Dr Mike. Great great stuff
We getting cancelled with this one 🗣️🗣️🗣️
We bringing up medieval race theory 🗣️🗣️🗣️
Man is man woman is woman. Wait what, oh sorry about that, wrong reply section
Why?
@@tomcrawford8326 *Not theory* these are science backed phenotypes
@@tomcrawford8326 aw someone must be indian
First time coming across your channel, and I, must say you're one of the best interviewers in UA-cam.
Great Interview as well.
I'd totally watch you two just chilling watching TV or playing games on twitch or something. You two just have that thing where you might not be close but you just get each other. Effortless.
Be inspired
Be motivated
Be the best you can be.
You guys are my inspiration for my journey. The motivation skill technique knowledge is epic! But Jonni did you give Dr.Mike his high protein bar? Oh and need more WAY more of this right here
Haha, don't worry, I didn't forget to give Dr. Mike his high protein bar! I made sure he had his post-workout fuel. And don't worry, we'll bring you more epic content, just like you asked!
@@JonniShreve 🤣🤣 Man that's epic!! So can't wait to meet you and Dr.Mike in person someday. I'll have to bring you my last jelly donut aye……. But on a real note both of you guys give me motivation and inspiration to be the best me I am iron sharpens iron keep dream chasing
that Dr. has my sense of humour and he's easy to listen to, well done both!
Interesting and open conversation. Great content.
Even tho im 7 months late, this was one of the best videos regarding bodybuilding. Mike is so real and harsh about it, i love it.
this is super interesting. with me being black it blew my mind how accurate the things dr mike was saying. the short torso, long limbs, and even the small calves(Unfortunately😢) i can all identify on my body and my dads. as for the low hanging kevin levrone triceps im in the middle. my lateral head is very high but the long head of my tricep is damn near touching my elbow. its an awkward look but i think the lateral head matters alot more for aesthetics from the front view. if your lateral head hangs low it gives that sweep look across your arm when resting like kevin levrone. if your lateral head inserts close to your elbow your lucky af
I really appreciate this conversation - back during my undergrad this stuff was part of my education in human biology, anthropology, anatomy and evolution. Its completely ok to talk about this stuff people. Another thumbs up!
Very Informative, And Entertaining!!
Nice Video 👍💪
I heard a guy in the military say when he was in Africa there were tribesman who's blood was adapted to clotting very quickly. So if they sustained a wound from a cut or a bite, their bodies would stop the bleeding more quickly. I think he said it something to do with adapting to very little water.
Maybe, but in Africa there's quite a few genetic outliers. Sickle cells for hemocytes apparently evolved so that people got less of some regional diseases. There are quite a few other examples. Our time with geographic isolation wasn't long, but it was long enough for genes to be selected.
I unfortunately was born with a larger torso and live in a hot country, so... Sometimes we are just not gonna be very adequate to our environment.
It's adapting to malaria, a disease that's facilitated by blood flow, not water.
Africa has far more genetic diversity than the rest of the world surprisingly enough so it is very possible.
@@badart3204 I find that a bit curious tbh... Because you have to take into account that Asia and Europe aren't really their own continents, they're both part of the same landmass the same way Africa is, and I gotta say the difference between Chinese people, the Slavs, the Indians, and the British is pretty obvious. Eurasia seems to be a pretty genetically diverse place.
@@BootyGoblinesque
Only skin-deep. Genetic variation isn't always expressed through phenotypes (outward appearances) and the way I like to see it is, how many letters are in your genetic group? Whites and Asians might be far away from Blacks, and they have W X Y Z.
Africans on the other hand just cover a bigger group of letters: A B C D E F G H I J etc.
That's more generic variation, even if they look about as similar to each other as Whites do to each other.
This was incredibly informative. Thanks for sharing.
Only just started working out this year but my calves have always been big. Doing just one leg day per week has made them HUGE! Now I know why!
What a good video! Very educational with no bs, thank you lads!
Very informative video. I love this kind of content!
Very informative and interesting discussion. It's really a shame that anything even insinuating that people are different is taboo to the point where science has to shy away from studying very important human health topics. People are different, it's a scientific fact and simply the reality of the situation. It shouldn't be politically incorrect to acknowledge it.
This video fire 🔥 class in session fam salute both of y'all 💪💯
Yay! Loved this video, 2 great guys, love it!
Wow, so philosophical and deep. Makes me think of all of the people with body dysmorphia. Work on your fitness goals, and allow yourself to be inspired by others amazing work!
holy shit, this may be the most educational video ever. I can't wait to tell all my black friends that they have small calves, and all my Asian friends that they have small asses. I have no friends.
Came over from Dr Mike's page, probably one of his only female fans, and I must say I loved this discussion. A great example of intelligent and informed conversation versus the kind of racial and sexist crap that ACTUALLY gets you cancelled. Great content guys!
Very cool video and chat!
I think the "thick skin" is more to do with water. I have heard of coaches having difficulty cutting water from certain athletes from hot countries
Nice point, seems reasonable, also, regarding asian leaness, I think is has to do with their cultural diet and gastronomy, they eat super clean and tend not to be full, anyway, Ive seen fat asians, specially in business departaments.
Dope video, never watched you before but Mike is a sick guest because he's intelligent and respectful but not afraid to 'gently' attack these somwhat taboo topics. Great vid
Important thing is hypo/hyperthyroidism. Most " hardgainers" probably just dont eat but some have hyperthyroidism and that can make muscle- growth difficult as can hypothyroidism. Both unhealthy too. Both conditions can go overlooked for a long time and show up later in life too. Both easily treatable.
This was so entertaining and refreshing at the same time
It makes sense that North/East Asians are cold adapted because of the climate, but that makes me wonder about South and Southeast Asians. I would presume they would need to be heat-adapted, as well, similar to Africans. Indian people are quite literally of Caucasian descent, as in descended from people from the Caucasus mountains.
a lot of history that wasn't documented until recently. Its hard to give a blanket statement that indians are of caucasian descent. we can only speculate but asians in general have bigger calves because of the mountainous terrain
My parents are from north India. I have round bubbly muscles with a fair skin tone. Very aesthetic lol
I also have a grainy look when I’m shredded - so thin skin
thing is india is so big, and even comparing north indians vs south.. there is a huge disparity in the genetic make-up.@jumbo9386
Indians are a mix of caucasoid Iranian population groups and native dravidoid Vedic inhabitants that are closest related to Australioid populations in Papua and AUS. Same applies to SEA populations but instead of caucasoids it was mongoloids that came over
Love the back and forth banter!
This is the first time I've seen a bodybuilder not waving his arms or playing with his arm muscles while talking. This means that Dr. Mike Israetel is a confident person who draws the listener's attention not to his muscles, but to the topic of the conversation and the facts. I'm grateful to you for this video, I found it interesting.
Amazing content. I love when you guys come together...
“People of heat adapted climates” new politically correct phrasing
Doesn't really make alot of sense when you break that down as a sentence either.
My American Man of heat adapted climate brother
The best discussion I’ve ever heard about race and bodybuilding
It is refreshing to hear someone have the courage to talk about this.
Great convo. Fact based and extremely informative. Great stuff fellas
Am black but also appreciate other race physiques