The Picts and Pictish (Scotland's Natives)

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  • @johnmaclagan2263
    @johnmaclagan2263 3 роки тому +6

    Great presentation buddy, thanks for your kind words on these amazing people from someone who lives in north east scotland

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +5

      It is astounding how much cultural wealth the Scottish nation has to offer the world.

    • @johnmaclagan2263
      @johnmaclagan2263 3 роки тому +4

      @@BenLlywelyn Me and a few friends, ( 1 just happens to be a history professor ) are trying to visit and document all stones, brochs, soutereans and cuthil courts in the north east of Scotland.

  • @afischer8327
    @afischer8327 3 роки тому +7

    Your relaxed approach is very difficult to achieve. I admire you for that. When you showed a couple of stone carvings of the Picts, one of them was a bull. We think of the Pamplona bull run, and how old this tradition is. Bull-running, bull-leaping. The aurochs. The Táin Bó Cúailnge. The value of bulls in our ancestors' society. The carvings of bulls from Mycenean Greece, and Minoan Crete. This relationship we have with bulls, and cattle, predates the Homeric myths.

  • @tedi1932
    @tedi1932 3 роки тому +20

    I am told that Glasgow actually comes from "Glas coed". Although "glas" is the Welsh word for blue, it is often used to mean green as well in poetry and in place names. Coed is Welsh for wood.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +11

      Very close. Glasgow comes from Old Welsh Glasgau, meaning glas + cau = a green/blue hollow

    • @cuchulainn1486
      @cuchulainn1486 3 роки тому +3

      Glas is also the Irish for green. Not sure how the colours for blue/green are the same in Welsh and Irish. But the Picts are accepted as being Brythonic speakers

    • @TreforTreforgan
      @TreforTreforgan 3 роки тому +3

      The older Brythonic names for colours were similar, sometimes identical, to Irish. We see ‘glas’ in place names always having the meaning of green. Modern Welsh colours are mostly Latin derived.

    • @melysmelys2622
      @melysmelys2622 3 роки тому +3

      I'm sure that 'glas' can also mean 'grey' in Welsh too.

    • @TreforTreforgan
      @TreforTreforgan 3 роки тому +1

      @@melysmelys2622 may well do, although I haven’t encountered it myself

  • @tamasmarcuis4455
    @tamasmarcuis4455 3 роки тому +6

    A history doctoral student I met while living in Edinburgh told me a different origin for the Picts. That they were mostly pre-indo-européen and related to the Cruithne people in Ireland. That is they were mostly descent from the First Farmers. Cultural they had largely assimilated into a wider Celtic culture. The one in Ireland into the Gaelic and the people in the North of England and Scotland into the Brythonic. Both areas showed a significant sub grade of a non-Indo European language. They spoke Celtic language with a heavy accent and lots of non-IndoEuropean words. They also retained many customs beyond every day and material matters that were not Celtic. The Picts being religiously far less Celtic.
    It is thought they had a symbolic written language. Using what looks like a downward pointing moon crescent with two lines to indicate dates. Other symbols had variations that carried meanings.
    From the perspective of wider Celtic cultures the Picts looked different, spoke a creole pidgin Celtic and had many Voo Doo like beliefs. A bit like a White European might see an inhabitant of some Caribbean Islands. Certain family lines were thought to have preserved far more of the pre Indo European genetics and culture. They might have been the tail end of some priestly caste. The remains of one holy cult figure were discovered on a island on the West coast and his genetic showed him to be very darker skinned and brown eyed. The rest of the population having already widely bred with Indo Europeans being far less like that. As if he was more closely related to some sacred royal caste his burial was separate and more elaborate.
    My own experience was of some shorter man with dark hair and eyes being pointed out as " a Wee Pict ". Seeming to imply in the past it was common to think of shorter people with darker features as being of more Pictish ancestry. There was also some vague association with fire worship.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +2

      Thank you. There are many things we will never know sadly. But it is generally though short darker haired people may have been the peoples when Romans came, but again we cannot be sure.

    • @davewatson309
      @davewatson309 2 роки тому

      Hm, p-celt, pruithne, briton, q-celt cruithne. Brigantes, Dumnonii, Leigin, fir Bolg, Belgae, Manapi, Manac hence Fir Managh, Monaghan. Manapi were present in Wales and Gaul. All Brythonic q-celt tribes. Ulaid Wlad, Gwlad the country

    • @Cailean_MacCoinnich
      @Cailean_MacCoinnich 2 роки тому +2

      @@BenLlywelyn Interesting you mention short dark haired people.
      I'm very fair and blue eyed from my Mothers side: The MacLeod's from Skye. Whilst attending a funeral in Dundee of an old member of the family on my paternal grandmothers, I remember how short, dark haired, and stocky certain people were,. They were all the Brodie's. Someone said "you don't look like a MacKenzie or a Brodie", I said "no, I get my good looks from my Mithers side". So yes, there are still plenty of Picts living in the north East.

    • @a44489
      @a44489 Рік тому

      Depends who got the third eyes recorded history

  • @CAMMYSINCLAIR
    @CAMMYSINCLAIR 3 роки тому +7

    Excellent, great teacher! Really enjoyed this thanks.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +1

      Thank you

    • @lwmaynard5180
      @lwmaynard5180 3 роки тому

      It's CYMRU Language the CYMRI PEOPLE'S, The Keltoi label, is ancient Greek, meaning barberian. ? ? ?

  • @JonseyWales
    @JonseyWales Рік тому +1

    I really enjoyed that. That's the best overview I've seen on UA-cam👍🙏👏

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  Рік тому +2

      Great positive energy. Thank you. Diolch.

  • @TreforTreforgan
    @TreforTreforgan 3 роки тому +3

    A most important linguistic factor very rarely touched upon is that Briton and Pict carry the same meaning. Britain coming from Prydain which has the meaning of the tinted or painted land, referring to the culture of body painting that was endemic to Britain and Ireland. The word pict is simply a Latin version of the name prevalent in Roman records. I would hazard a guess that the ancient practice of body painting had been long discontinued by the provincial Britons, hence the distinction between the original British (Picts) and the adulterated (Welsh).

  • @Cailean_MacCoinnich
    @Cailean_MacCoinnich 2 роки тому +1

    Really interesting video. Way more detailed than a lot of the "history of the Picts" stuff.
    Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  2 роки тому

      You are welcome. I am glad you enjoyed it!

  • @CelticGermanicTxWarrior77
    @CelticGermanicTxWarrior77 3 роки тому +5

    Very interesting. I am from Texas and found out thru DNA testing that I have a large amount which is close to 50 percent Scottish and also Irish and Welsh. I for the longest thought I was mostly Anglosaxon and never considered that I had Celtic ancestry. I am assuming that I must have Pict ancestry as well. When the Scotch/ Irish came to America alot of them went into the Appalachian mountains and made their way eventually into Texas like my family did. Do you think that the Picts originally could have come from Norway? Thanks for the video! Hope to see more in the future! Also would like to know which Celtic language has the least amount of Latin influence. Thanks!!!

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому

      Scots Gaelic or Irish has the least Latin of Celtic Languages.
      My family also has Appalachian-Texan Scot roots. It is not uncommon in Texas at all!
      My view is the Picts were native unRomanized Britons. They would have come from central Europe (France/Germany) 2,000 years before. A long time ago! And were wiped out by Vikings as Irish speakers married into them.

  • @benmacdui9328
    @benmacdui9328 3 роки тому +3

    Great video.

  • @MrTausn
    @MrTausn 2 роки тому +1

    This was excellent, please do more ☺️

  • @jameshazelwood9433
    @jameshazelwood9433 3 роки тому +6

    Nice video historically correct but with some nice hypothetical theories of what went on. It is a strange one with Scotland in general because it is the nation to the north of the island of Britain sometimes seem isolated people including myself always thought it to be a little more mono cultured that other places on the Island. But its actually quite a mixed bag with more influences ,in my opinion, than Wales or Ireland fascinating subject

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +6

      Scotland's roots are this island's most multicultural.

  • @spacerx
    @spacerx Рік тому +1

    It's interesting to note that both Basques and Etruscans had a lot of steppe ancestry and "Indo-European" DNA. Even though they obviously spoke non-Indo-European languages, they are undistinguishible genetically from Indo-Europeans.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  Рік тому +1

      It goes to show that culture and language is not rooted in ethnicity. Heritage is important, and valued, but it is the culture passed on which keeps a people.

  • @landofw56
    @landofw56 3 роки тому +4

    Excellent. Is it true that in some Celtic languages "glas" means either blue or green?

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +2

      Certainly is true in Welsh.

    • @landofw56
      @landofw56 3 роки тому +2

      @@BenLlywelyn Thank you for the answer. Another question. Which is the origin o word Picti? Does it come from the fact that they used to paint the body or not?

    • @jwadaow
      @jwadaow 3 роки тому +3

      @@landofw56 In the Welsh language they called the Picts "Pridyn", Britons. Pict means painted in Latin. Britons decorated their bodies with patterns.

    • @landofw56
      @landofw56 3 роки тому +3

      @@jwadaow Thank you for the clear answer.

  • @molecatcher3383
    @molecatcher3383 2 роки тому +2

    Perhaps the Pictish culture and language was replaced by Scottish Gaelic language and culture because the Pictish nobility had been persuaded to consider the Gaelic language/culture to be superior, or more prestigious, to their own. Possibly because Gaelic was a written language (unlike Pictish) and Christianity was first brought to the Picts by Gaelic missionaries. Having a written language, i.e. Gaelic, would also have been very useful for the Pictish nobilty to administer their government.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  2 роки тому

      I wonder if Pictish was ever written.

    • @molecatcher3383
      @molecatcher3383 2 роки тому +1

      @@BenLlywelyn Me to, There were probaly many old documents destroyed in times of strife like during Viking raids, English invasions, maybe during the Reformation. There might have been Pictish writing lost. There are potentially Pictish language inscriptions on several Pictish stones that use the Ogham script, but not enough to get a good picture of the language. However new Pictish stones are regularly being unearthed and there is a possibility that a Pictish "Rosetta Stone" might turn up one day. We can live in hope.

  • @saguntum-iberian-greekkons7014

    I really enjoy your videos, especially about Scotland, it is a land of mystery of mist.
    Is there linguistic of Pictish traces in Gaelic Scottish?
    I asked the question on Quora, people told me no, without further explanations

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  Рік тому +1

      Almost certainly yes is my opinion. But we know next to nothing.

  • @elijahgregg4412
    @elijahgregg4412 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you

  • @b.griffin317
    @b.griffin317 3 місяці тому

    15:20 Including Orkney? Isn't that just a piece of Norway?

  • @landofw56
    @landofw56 3 роки тому +4

    Many rules of Semitic languages are similar to Celtic ones. Why?

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +4

      We are all human is the short answer. We are all a family, no matter how distant.

    • @landofw56
      @landofw56 3 роки тому +1

      @@BenLlywelyn Yes, it is true. Some scholars say that a few Gaelic nations come from lost Israel tribes: this could explain the similarities.

    • @landofw56
      @landofw56 3 роки тому +1

      and some sounds too.

    • @eAcetaldehyd
      @eAcetaldehyd Рік тому

      @@landofw56 this 'lost tribes of israel' stuff was peddled by 19th century pseudo-historians looking to shore up the Christian credentials of their particular ethnic group(s), but isn't taken seriously by modern academics.

  • @sanderson9338
    @sanderson9338 2 роки тому

    Cruthnie was the name of the combined Picts it means the People. Led by the CE from Tap o noth we fought at Mons Graupius we call it bennachie

    • @sanderson9338
      @sanderson9338 2 роки тому

      Near Aberdeen Aber is old brithonic and still exists in Welsh. Evidence on all areas that start pit or dun. Pitlochry, Pitmedden, etc dundalk, Dundee etc CE dominated Fortriu as a vassal kingdom.

    • @sanderson9338
      @sanderson9338 2 роки тому

      Burghead was large but not the centre lol it was Tap o noth dunicairn and footdee that used to be Ce Nathan in Aberdeenshire that was the Kingdom of Picti cruthnie

    • @sanderson9338
      @sanderson9338 2 роки тому

      Anrhydedd

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  2 роки тому

      Very true.

  • @jfjoubertquebec
    @jfjoubertquebec 3 роки тому

    5:58 Gwir came from verus, but...
    if Latin v was pronounced w anyway, I guess the Latin form circa 300AD wuda been "wer" so the only difference is that Brythonic pronounced w as gw. Wasn't there a w sound already? Why add the g?
    Hmm...

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +1

      All depends on what you find normal sounds are I suppose.

    • @celtspeaksgoth7251
      @celtspeaksgoth7251 2 роки тому +1

      I notice that across Europe G & W occur together - even the name Wales (=foreign), also the canton of Wallis in today's Switzerland + Galicia in NW Spain. In Spanish, Wales is Gales. Gwilym is the Welsh for William. Re:vikings - in Norwegian - child is 'barn', compare to Scotch 'bairn'.

  • @SacredDreamer
    @SacredDreamer 3 роки тому

    GodOdin clearly says The Men of The North named it (Norse
    ...that naming happened when the Vikings (Anglos) took over

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  3 роки тому +1

      May I gently remind you the Gododdin (both the poem cycle and the kingdom) were in a time 250 yesrs before the Vikings existed.

    • @SacredDreamer
      @SacredDreamer 3 роки тому +1

      💓I appreciate your gentleness and I have no intention of harming anything.
      Just applying common sense to language ..
      So .. perhaps some men of the North /Norweigan - Northern Region settled here - 250 years BEFORE the Viking takeover
      🤔 Makes sense to me

    • @SacredDreamer
      @SacredDreamer 3 роки тому

      @@BenLlywelyn - maybe - like in France (Normandy) the men of the North gained some land and settled.

    • @TheEggmaniac
      @TheEggmaniac 3 роки тому +1

      Gododdin is the name the tribes and kingdom that once controlled the area which is now the south east of Scotland, called Lothian and Borders. They were part of the old Brythonic kingdoms called Hen Ogled. It means 'old north' in old Welsh/ Cumbric It was conquered and controlled by the Angles from Northumbria in about 600 AD. You can see reminders of this in place names of the area. For example there is village on the outskirts of Edinburgh, called Penecuik ( pronounced Pennycook ). It comes straight from the Brythonic language ( and forerunner of Welsh ) Pen-Y-Cog, meaning 'Hill of the Cuckoo.' The Gododdin were not vikings or Scandinavian.

    • @johnmaclagan2263
      @johnmaclagan2263 2 роки тому

      @@SacredDreamer Evidence please for a scandanavian takeover 250 years before the Danair came here to the islands of Scotland, 20 years into the "Norse" takeover roughly 870AD a Pictish tribe leader beheaded a Norse chief maybe they were cousins eh Jaynice

  • @kevinwatts8221
    @kevinwatts8221 Рік тому

    Per Ardua!

  • @spacerx
    @spacerx Рік тому

    For certain values of native.

  • @soniastarmorales8013
    @soniastarmorales8013 3 роки тому +3

    Rome sailed to England, so why is it farfetched that France neighboring closer to England didn't sail to Nirthern Caledonia/Scotland? Could you please do a video on the Pharoah-like boy found in an Ireland tomb nd also how Scotua is named after Scotia which is Gaelic for Merit-aten? Love your accent n brown eyes. A faerie/Pharoah Egyptian roots if Ireoand n Scitkajd video be apprecisted❤🙏👍

    • @johnmaclagan2263
      @johnmaclagan2263 2 роки тому +3

      Did you know i can't find a peer reviewed paper on this Queen Scota ? I believe it comes under the name "pseudo-history"

    • @robertgalloway3771
      @robertgalloway3771 Рік тому

      Some say the name Scot,! Scotti came from the name of and Egyptian Princess Scotti, others from Rome referring to these people as bandits. England did not exist in Roman times!

    • @robertgalloway3771
      @robertgalloway3771 Рік тому

      Their original flag? A black boar on a silver(grey??) background. Replaced with The Lion Rampant, under William son of Margaret(Mairead)!

  • @joedee1863
    @joedee1863 6 місяців тому

    If only we knew what the original Scythians (Scootia) spoke because they did not leave any remains of a written language only lots of interesting symbols. They didnt wear tunics much because they loved to show off their tatoos hence the Romans called them Picts (picture people). Like many horse riding itinerant peoples in Europe the Crimea was a major staging point before they settled in the central highlands of Alba. They brought the Yak/Beef hybrid cattle from Europe Asia Minor. I had to do a lot of research of my ancestors to discover this

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  6 місяців тому

      There is no evidence Scythians and Scotii were related other than a Sc-t which is not found in the Greek, Assyrian or several other people's names for the Scythians.

  • @nikemozack7269
    @nikemozack7269 Місяць тому

    Aparently there is a link between Picts and the ancient Agathyrses.

    • @BenLlywelyn
      @BenLlywelyn  Місяць тому

      I don't think there is a link between Scotland and Scythians.

  • @Northernlights65
    @Northernlights65 Рік тому

    16:58

  • @jkmcgregor7797
    @jkmcgregor7797 3 роки тому +2

    Picts celts saxons are all indo europeans from the central asia a bit like iranians afghans pakistani

  • @robertgalloway3771
    @robertgalloway3771 Рік тому

    Glas in Gaidhlig = Grey as does liath! The Picts Na Cruithne! A lot older than me! Na Cruithne=The People? In (Eskimo?) Inuit=People!?

  • @jesperandersson889
    @jesperandersson889 Рік тому

    Oh show me da pics... (giggles)

  • @PredatorUpHill
    @PredatorUpHill 3 роки тому +1

    Terribly clichéd Yank video with nothing new worth adding. Also the orator, clearly American (with Americanised culturalal perceptions), inaccurately uses the term 'Native' instead of 'indigenous'. 'Native' is a cognate of the term 'Nation' which together etymologically relate to the derivative term 'Nationality', thus, all people born in Scotland are 'natives' and those born outside Scotland are not.
    Furthermore, with that said, the main point in the Nennius reference is made to the books of the proto-Scot Pictish era leid, 'as it's written in the Books of the Cruitneach'. There was the later ill-founded decision of an accepted Scottish historian but ultimately it was an audacious deliverance to make a generation which had seen the literary treasures of Europe enriched by the manuscripts from the libraries of the famous Celtic era monasteries founded, one at Bobbio in Lombardy by S. Columbanus, the other at St. Gall in Switzerland by S. Gall. Both founders were Pictish scholars educated by S. Comgall the Great at Bangor in Ulster, the chief Centre of learning among the Ulster Picts.
    The catalogues of the libraries of Bobbio and St. Gall have been published - The catalogue of Bobbio, by Muratori and Peyron. For St. Gall, see Ferdinand Keller's 'Bilder und Schriftsuzüge in den irischen Manuskripten'.
    A 10th century edition catalogue used by the students at Bobbio has also been reproduced and the catalogue of St. Gall compiled there for the convenience of readers in the 9th century. In the 9th century St. Gall possessed 533 volumes, and in the 10th century Bobbio contained 700, from the Bobbio collection came the Antiphonary of Bangor. It contains the prayers, canticle, hymns, especially an alphabetical Hymn in honour of S. Comgall, the founder of Bangor, and rules as to the order of prayer. It is purely Pictish era 'Liber Officialis', and has the reflection of the service which S. Moluag used from Bangor among the Picts of Alba (Scotland).
    The same order was also followed in Alba that was followed in Bangor, and the daughter houses at Luxeuil, Bobbio and St. Gall. Bobbio naturally possessed the manuscripts of the Gospels which are known from his life, S. Columbanus carried with him wherever he went.
    It had the inscription of 'Ut traditum fuit illud erat idem liber quem Beatus Columbanus Abbas in pera secum ferre consuevat'. In the university library at Turin are fragments of a Commentary on S. Mark's Gospel with Celtic era notes. In the Ambrosian Library at Milan is a complete Commentary on the Psalms, also with the same era notes. Both works belonged to Bobbio, and both are ascribed to S. Columbanus. The latter is regarded as the 'Commentary on the Psalter', also catalogued in the 10th century as part of the Bobbio collection.
    To this library founded in a Pictish monastery is owed the only surviving Canon of the New Testament - the famous Muratorian fragment. Among its manuscripts, as fragments in the Imperial Library at Vienna indicate, confirming the old catalogue, were most of the Apostolic Epistles, texts of Aristotle, Demosthenes, Cicerone, Virgil, Horace, Juvenal, Martial and many other Greco and Latina authors. These texts were copiously annotated, often in Celtic era texts. Poggio of Florence who was interested in the works of Cicero later arrived at St. Gall in 1416 with two confederates, and on his departure to Constance took with him two cart-loads of priceless manuscripts which included Texts of Cicero, Quintilian, Lucretius, Priscian, the unfinished Argonautica of C.V. Flaccus, and other writings.
    They were taken to Italy ultimately. An 'Oecumenical' Council receives a lot of blame for these thefts. To this library of a monastery founded by a Pictish scholar came secretaries from the most Catholic Council of Constance (referenced by Notker Balbulus - 1414 - 1418) to borrow books which would reinforce any inspiration or knowledge that this despised Synod presumed to possess, one sign of knowledge in the borrowers was they knew something of the value of the manuscripts because they never returned them. It's not out of harmony with other acts of this Council that the members apparently sought authority for their doings in the works of pagan orators and poets while they left excellent copies of the Gospels and Epistles unconsulted.
    Europe owes ro St. Gall the Dresden Codex Boernerianus which has S. Paul's Epistles in Greek, various fragments of the Gospels, a palimpsest of Virgil, a 13th century Nibelungenlied, and certain books with unread glosses in Celtic texts, together with the iron-bound book inscribed to St. Gall himself. There was also at St. Gall what from old descriptions show to be another copy of the Antiphonary of Bangor.
    Of the 30 volumes written in Celtic script, which were in the library of St. Gall in the 9th century, according to the surviving catalogue of that period, only one volume remained 128 years ago. Continental scholars are generally very wary in referring to the Celtic glosses in the manuscripts that belonged to Bobbio and St. Gall. They are usually satisfied to call the language 'Celtic', but some British writers have boldly pronounced it 'Goidelic' - yet candidly admit that it is difficult to interpret, except through known Britonic words and orthography. Those organised missions from Bangor and the communities of the Britons in the 6th century, which founded Luxeuil, Bobbio and St. Gall and other Celtic monasteries in the European uplands, were led and staffed by men who were born Picts, or n.Britons, educated at Pictish monasteries, who spoke a Pictish or Britonic dialect leid when they did not speak Latin or Greek.

  • @ivandinsmore6217
    @ivandinsmore6217 Рік тому

    Please change thevpresenter on these videos. The content would be very interesting but the presenter's voice is so weird and creepy he is impossible to listen to.