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@DavidBennettPiano Dear David, I have a question regarding Ice Five (Dorian). I understand that you wanted to highlight the difference between the natural minor and dorian scale, but isn't interpreting the song in the 'parent key' of Bb really confusing? If we see it as being in F (so G dorian) we would simply have a ii - iii and have no need to raise the b5 of the vii chord. We would also have one accidental less in the key signature. Why did you interpret it this way?
I’d love to see you tackle their album “Changes”. The concept of the album being that they modulate between 2 different key centres with each chord change.
@@fossiltortoise yes, and he talked about the concept of this album. Maybe this video is inspired by that one, but being so close I don't think it's enough time to produce this video.
A friend of mine linked the Middle8 video in Discord yesterday, then the David Bennett video today. Middle8 made me stop sleeping on The Silver Chord and finally give it a listen, and I was blown away by why it took me so long to listen to the album.
You gotta talk about changes. The entire concept is that each chord change changes the key the song is in, alternating between D and F# major (hence the title). While most of the songs just vamp between two chord the entire time, I still think it's an interesting thing to go into detail about
The most fantastic thing about KG&LW is that, despite their ginormous output and despite their ability to go full-on theoretical with albums like this (Or Microtonal Banana or Polygondwanaland), their songs are still great to listen to, earworms even, and they still convey messages. If you had no idea that this record goes through all the modes, and were just listening it for the songs, the lyrics, the feel, the soundscapes, it's still a great, rewarding listen - and not, what it easily could have become, a boring contrived lesson in music theory. My fave is Butterfly 3000 which, to me, is like pulling Kraftwerk into the Gizzverse.
Overly-processed food is garbage. Just as a song that avoids the 5th degree for 99.9% of its playtime can’t actually be “in Locrian”. 😏 “Just the facts, M’am.” 😎
I bet David's happy that he finally has a song that's a true representation of Locrian. At this point, King Gizzard has so many albums you could use only them to demonstrate concepts from now on.
I love how the modes on this album create a feeling of existential dread as you start with the uplifting Mycelium and delve deeper and deeper until the dark, crushing Gliese 710
Kinda, they have some albums with strong music theory background, like the album from this video, or "changes", where the whole album is based limiting all the harmony to only two key changes and have some kind of hypnotic synth jazz pop sound. Other interesting thing are the microtonal albums trilogy, very interesting musically. But even more interesting than the music theory themed albums, are their concept driven releases, each album is unique trying something new.
This is awesome - so cool that the band deliberately decided to do a whole album based on modes! By the way, I would love to see you do a video about borrowed chords/ modal modulation and how they can be used for songwriting purposes to convey a certain emotions when writing. Anyway, keep up the good work David - brilliant channel!
Musicians like these guys are who I aspire to be, adventurous and generally just doing whatever genre they want not worrying about sticking to one genre strictly
@@unknown6390 No need to gatekeep people from having something that inspires them in a genuine way. King Gizzard not being the ideal prog band to your own strict expectation isn't everybody's business, people who are into the band's music like them for obvious reasons. This band helps bridge people of different musical preferences to get into various unfamiliar or interrelated genres and styles in some ways or others, and their music is liked because of the artistic honesty and the DIY spirit, as well as the commitment to produce works persistently and continue to hone their own musical skill and artistry in the process.
No need to "aspire" lol just do it. Ya know you don't need anyone's permission or approval, no one does...do whatever you want. They do, I do, if you want to, you just do it, no need to aspire. It's not hard, nothing is stopping you
I'm pretty much music illiterate, haven't been able to read music in over 25 years. I still don't quite get what's being explained but what I do understand is just how much thought really does go into a King Gizz album, especially one that's really great like Ice, Death, Planets... It just astonishes me how something can sound/feel jammy, but be so well planned out.
@@unknown6390 I'd like you to recommend me any bands that can make better music then them and that can also release 25 unique sounding albums within a decade.
I'd been waiting weeks for a shipment of a nice looking AU version of the album and then, when I realized the modes thing, I was waiting for David to talk about it ^^
If you're interested in doing more gizzard videos, I think their album "Polygondwanaland" has a lot to dissect regarding polyrhythm and polymeter. Another album of theirs, "Changes", has a concept where every track uses multiple keys.
I had read a good amount about this album before it came out, but your analysis made it much more clear what they really did musically on that album. Thanks for the insight!
I’ve never understood the “Nobody plays in Locrian” thing. I did it, it was nothing, like any mode. You tell the bass player to play B-roots and everybody else plays in C-Major and occasionally just pretend that B is the tonic. 😊
I play in Locrian on harmonicas sometimes, which is like playing in Mixolydian but without resolving on what would be the tonic of Mixolydian. I usually improvise in Locrian for a bit before going back to Mixolydian.
@@reillywalker195 I think it's just that bV that upsets people. When you can't go to the natural V to lead back to the tonic (not that you always should be now you can't) you have to be creative and trust that your audience is hip and willing to go with you.
11:20 I had the same idea for a locrian song, except I also added an 11th to the chord. So my song had a Bm7add11(no5) as the tonic chord, ocassionally going to Em7,11(no5) and Am7,11(no5). That created a stable enough, but somewhat unsettling harmony.
Sounds like your tonic uses the notes B D A and E. Which can also be arranged as: B E A D. Quartal harmony. This could even be collapsed into B D E A. Or the Bm7 but replace the fifth with fourth.
Only in the chords though. A stand point of model music is sticking to a purpously vague progression and allowing the melody to dictate the mode, not the chords. See Miles Davis for example. @@kierenmoore3236
Can you do a video about pentatonic scales? or maybe "the one vid about all the arab-esque sounding scales" where you really go through all of them (phrygian, harmonic minor, phyrigian dominant, double harmonic and what have ya...) and also focus on getting all the names right (like what's the hungarian scale? the byzantine?) to end the confusion once and for all :)
The fact that some people will now listen to gizzard because of this video makes me very happy. Enjoy guys, it's a hell of a rabbit whole. You're all welcome to this community!
@@Tityretupatulae If you say so it must be true, mustn't it? Bro grow up, music is subjective. Many people love gizz, if you don't then that's fine, but don't try to ruin it for others, will ya?
Also what do mean “welcome to the community”? Are you the gatekeeper of discussions of a band? No? Well then why should anyone care if they are welcome or not if they want to talk about something lol.
Literally every time I’ve tried to write in locrian I just play a i chord with a 7th instead of the b5 and instead use the b5 as a blue note. It’s just a good idea and I’m glad they thought of it too
King Gizz always amaze me with how they're able to create such bops, while constantly flopping back and forth between genres. And this video helps to reinforce my thoughts that they're just musical geniuses that are overshadowed by other much larger artists.
Gotta leave something for the future! I’d expect them to make a round around the circle of fifth, first song in C, second in G, third in D, etc, incorporating all modes (C Major through C Locrian in Song 1).
It's not necessary for the tonic chord of Locrian to be diminished since it can also be a minor 7 flat 5 chord, also known as a half-diminished chord. That said, when it comes to Locrian, it's often best to embrace its dissonance and weirdness rather than try to mask it.
The artwork is to distract you from the sound … and the fact that they just omitted the 5th scale degree from 99.9% of the song that’s supposed to be ‘in Locrian’ … ☺️
@@kierenmoore3236 man it's always so amusing to see people like you in comments sections like this. Commenting on every thread and being ignored. It's okay, I noticed you. I hope the attention makes you feel better.
yessirrrr, king gizz is seriously one of the coolest bands of all time, for those who dont know, they've done like almost every genre, and have released over 20 albums over like ten years, they're crazy good
How to Locrian: John Kirkpatrick: fully embrace the pesky Locrian sound, avoid the one note that could make it sound not Locrian King Gizzard: avoid the one note that makes the Locrian sound
i kind of don't want to start listing starting points because i will never stop. i'll just say, do NOT discount their live work - they are a phenomenal performing band
Ain't no way! If David covers Necrophagist's "Fermented Offal Discharge" or Suicmez's use of harmonic minor or diminished scales I will die a happy man. Necrophagist, Decapitated and Rimmsky-Korsakov would make awesome topics for applying diminished scales in music. Disclaimer: you may not like the vocals, but there are orchestral covers for technical death metal.
Question: Why instead of using g min/Bflat maj key signatures with a raised E to an E natural, we don't use F major key signature? G dorian is the second mode of the F maj/ionian so its more reasonable and we don't have to raise anything p.s. its the same with D phrygian...using B flat maj key sig. is better than F maj key sig. , innit?
@DavidBennettPiano Dear David, I have a question regarding Ice Five (Dorian). I understand that you wanted to highlight the difference between the natural minor and dorian scale, but isn't interpreting the song in the 'parent key' of Bb really confusing? If we see it as being in F (so G dorian) we would simply have a ii - iii and have no need to raise the b5 of the vii chord. We would also have one accidental less in the key signature. Why did you interpret it this way?
Well, this could lead to an interesting concept album series. Next album, the modes of the harmonic minor scale, next the modes of the double harmonic major scale, then melodic minor, and finally harmonic major. That's your next 4 albums sorted KG. You're welcome 😀
I came here searching for "why hasn't David Bennett discussed King Gizzard" and wasn't disappointed... he managed to sneak this in hours before I went after him
Locrian is one of those scales that exist in theory but not in reality. Doing Am7(omit5) is still Am7, the 5 is actually heard through the harmonics. The use of the Eb here is obviously ornamental. I would try to use an Eb chord maybe...
I love this band. I'm not too knowledgeable about music theory (getting more knowledgeable thanks to David Bennet!), but I appreciate King Gizz giving us a good sounding example of each mode. I get people often aren't into this, calling it boring or uninteresting, but I am the exact opposite, I find this album captivating and interesting. Then again, I'm not the biggest fan of modern radio pop music. I still like The Beatles, but they're from the 60s, not really modern.
Hi David, I was wondering if you like Elliott Smith and could feature some of his songs on the channel. He uses a lot of interesting chords progressions and key changes.
So I have seen this before and I am always a bit perplexed by this: so whenever you have a non-Ionian or non-Aeolian scale/mode you still seem to have the same fixed accidentals as the Ionian or Aeolian counterpart. So the G dorian example has two flats and the D phrgian has one flat whereas whenever I play things notated and in these modes a G dorian would have only one flat and D phrygian would have two flats. Now interestingly, the F lydian example had no accidental but D mixolydian has two sharps instead of one and A locrian has no accidentals instead of two flats. Although I see what they did there by omitting the 5 in that A(di)m chord. :) So what gives? For me, the natural thing would be to indicate G mixolydian with no accidentals, C# phrygian with 3 sharps, C dorian with two flats etc. So again, what gives?
@@kierenmoore3236It did come off as sus, yes. :) But even so, I mean, if I wanted to indicate something to be in C Locrian I would put 5 flats there and not 3 flats and mark every single D flat and G flat.
@@weepingscorpion8739 It’s more than sus, though. The b5 is literally the defining/signature scale degree of Locrian. It would be like buying a “jam donut”, and finding out it’s a plain donut with a tiny dot of jam inside it, lol. I mean, technically, perhaps … but you’d feel cheated. We wouldn’t all be talking about how clever the donut manufacturer was, would we … lol
About the Locrian mode - did they just "cheat" by leaving the flat5 out? I think they did a bit. Also you talk about the one needs to be "resolved or resolving chord". No it does not. In my mind, music does not need to resolve into anything. It is ok if it resolves, but it doesn't have to. Or am I just too dumb to understand this "claim"?
The fact is that they are just an ok band, a couple ok albums, the rest is every uninspiring music, but their fanboys are totally unbearable that they make me dislike the band altogether. But apart from that, I don’t think they have any songwriting gifts at all
@@Tityretupatulae ah yes the fanboys like me who've made you come here and leave all these comments! If only they hadn't been so damn annoying, then you wouldn't have had to click on this video and leave 10 comments
@@Tityretupatulae might i ask which albums specifically you thought were "ok"? Also, what specifically do you dislike about their songwriting? Genuinely curious
Only downside I have with this is that the words in the title don't match the titles of the songs in their modes. Ice is Ionian, but then the song Ice V is not the ionian song and instead it's Mycelium, which would match more logically with Mushrooms being Myxolydian.
The example done in Phrygian - could it be compared to Dwight Yoakam's Long White Cadillac in the outro instrumental but not necessarily in Phrygian, which incidentally, is Pete Anderson's best work ¿`_
No, musicians know very well what good songwriting is. This isn’t unfortunately. This is music for hipsters and for publications like pitchfork that need to make money promoting unlistenable music to pretend to be hip and fresh and relevant
@@Tityretupatulae I've played 5 instruments over my life and I like them :) I don't like hipsters or pitchfork though :( they're better songwriters than anyone else I've heard in about 3 years.
@@TityretupatulaeNow why do you and @unknown6390 feel the need to try and convince everyone that this band is terrible and unimpressive? If you, personally, don't like it, that's fine. But here's the thing, you can just say _that_ instead! It's so easy! Sure it's hippie music, often listened to by hippies, but they clearly know what they're doing and can write a great song. Again, if they're not your thing, fine by me, but just say that and stop trying to make people feel bad for enjoying something! Unless you're both just doing this to garner attention or reactions. In that case, here you go!
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Dear David, I have a question regarding Ice Five (Dorian). I understand that you wanted to highlight the difference between the natural minor and dorian scale, but isn't interpreting the song in the 'parent key' of Bb really confusing?
If we see it as being in F (so G dorian) we would simply have a ii - iii and have no need to raise the b5 of the vii chord. We would also have one accidental less in the key signature. Why did you interpret it this way?
no screw you
FINALLY DAVID TALKING ABOUT GIZZARD
David Bennett confirmed gizzhead
He already talked about banana
he mentioned rattlesnake in a video about microtonality
he's mentioned them in passing a couple times, but it's cool to get a full video on them
We eating good today bois
I’d love to see you tackle their album “Changes”. The concept of the album being that they modulate between 2 different key centres with each chord change.
x2
Absolutely agree.
Yes please!
TOTALLY
Oh he absolutely should!
Hearing a detailed description of tonic notes while reading the lyrics “death smells like boiled eggs” is a real contrast im enjoying
“Vibing in mixolydian for 13 and 1/2 minutes” sounds like a nice lil vacation
Now you got to do a King Gizzard Time signature episode!!!! Love the Gizz!!!
Seconding this, full length KGLW Time Signature video
"Once I missed a beat", I'd love to see that in a video from David
Even analysis for Crumbling Castle or The Fourth Colour will be so cool
and plissss take note about polygondwanalandddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
@@atharvachoudhary6974 I BELIEVE TEEEEETRACHROMACYYYYY I SEE THE FOURTH COLORRRRRRRRRRRRR
One of my favourite bands featured in a couple days by Middle8 and you. What a treat!
Yeah wasn't the middle 8 like a day ago or something? Crazy
@@fossiltortoise yes, and he talked about the concept of this album. Maybe this video is inspired by that one, but being so close I don't think it's enough time to produce this video.
@@cacojugon middle 8 first video was intro to gizz, and also david bennetts made a video with gizz before. The microtonal banana Stuff.
A friend of mine linked the Middle8 video in Discord yesterday, then the David Bennett video today. Middle8 made me stop sleeping on The Silver Chord and finally give it a listen, and I was blown away by why it took me so long to listen to the album.
@@brandenblomberg3048 yeah there's always so much to start with it's overwhelming sometimes
You gotta talk about changes. The entire concept is that each chord change changes the key the song is in, alternating between D and F# major (hence the title). While most of the songs just vamp between two chord the entire time, I still think it's an interesting thing to go into detail about
The most fantastic thing about KG&LW is that, despite their ginormous output and despite their ability to go full-on theoretical with albums like this (Or Microtonal Banana or Polygondwanaland), their songs are still great to listen to, earworms even, and they still convey messages. If you had no idea that this record goes through all the modes, and were just listening it for the songs, the lyrics, the feel, the soundscapes, it's still a great, rewarding listen - and not, what it easily could have become, a boring contrived lesson in music theory. My fave is Butterfly 3000 which, to me, is like pulling Kraftwerk into the Gizzverse.
I think I’d need to be very high indeed, to be impressed by what I’ve heard here.
@@kierenmoore3236 who shat on your cereal this morning?
@@hp2823 Cereal? I don’t eat that garbage.
Overly-processed food is garbage. Just as a song that avoids the 5th degree for 99.9% of its playtime can’t actually be “in Locrian”. 😏 “Just the facts, M’am.” 😎
I adore "If not now then when", which is as catchy as it is weird. These guys are geniuses.
Magma is probably one of king gizzards best songs
Real and true
Hell nah
I bet David's happy that he finally has a song that's a true representation of Locrian. At this point, King Gizzard has so many albums you could use only them to demonstrate concepts from now on.
It’s not a true representation of Locrian … it’s Phrygian, really. That’s cheating.
Imagine Stu is a music professor in the future and he whips out his old discography to give examples of concepts to the class lmao
@@kierenmoore3236did you listen to poly yet?
@@kierenmoore3236 but they use the flat 5th instead of the perfect 5th what
@@ytgshlung ya, as a blue note. Did you not watch the video?
I love how the modes on this album create a feeling of existential dread as you start with the uplifting Mycelium and delve deeper and deeper until the dark, crushing Gliese 710
Ah, so this band makes music theory themed concept albums? I never gave them much attention, but now I'm genuinely intrigued
You’ve never seen someone pretend to write a song in Locrian before? 😉
@@fossilsunbeam1011 that makes them even more relatable to me then 😆
Kinda, they have some albums with strong music theory background, like the album from this video, or "changes", where the whole album is based limiting all the harmony to only two key changes and have some kind of hypnotic synth jazz pop sound. Other interesting thing are the microtonal albums trilogy, very interesting musically. But even more interesting than the music theory themed albums, are their concept driven releases, each album is unique trying something new.
I love the creativity on display in this album. Iron Lung is one of my favourite KGLW songs ever written
Ah, the seven diatonic scales: Ionian, Dorian, Phrygian, Lydian, Mixolydian, Aeolian, and Nordveepian.
underrated comment
This is awesome - so cool that the band deliberately decided to do a whole album based on modes! By the way, I would love to see you do a video about borrowed chords/ modal modulation and how they can be used for songwriting purposes to convey a certain emotions when writing. Anyway, keep up the good work David - brilliant channel!
Musicians like these guys are who I aspire to be, adventurous and generally just doing whatever genre they want not worrying about sticking to one genre strictly
You can be much much better than these guys
@@unknown6390lmao
@@unknown6390 No need to gatekeep people from having something that inspires them in a genuine way. King Gizzard not being the ideal prog band to your own strict expectation isn't everybody's business, people who are into the band's music like them for obvious reasons. This band helps bridge people of different musical preferences to get into various unfamiliar or interrelated genres and styles in some ways or others, and their music is liked because of the artistic honesty and the DIY spirit, as well as the commitment to produce works persistently and continue to hone their own musical skill and artistry in the process.
You should aspire to be much better, they are really not impressive at all
No need to "aspire" lol just do it. Ya know you don't need anyone's permission or approval, no one does...do whatever you want. They do, I do, if you want to, you just do it, no need to aspire. It's not hard, nothing is stopping you
I'm pretty much music illiterate, haven't been able to read music in over 25 years. I still don't quite get what's being explained but what I do understand is just how much thought really does go into a King Gizz album, especially one that's really great like Ice, Death, Planets... It just astonishes me how something can sound/feel jammy, but be so well planned out.
Its been done before and better
@@unknown6390 I'd like you to recommend me any bands that can make better music then them and that can also release 25 unique sounding albums within a decade.
@@MikaelB2207he can't answer 😂😂 he's just trying to get attention
I'd been waiting weeks for a shipment of a nice looking AU version of the album and then, when I realized the modes thing, I was waiting for David to talk about it ^^
This is the perfect timing. This video came out exactly when I was wathing an interview with king gizzard
(and the lizard wizard)
If you're interested in doing more gizzard videos, I think their album "Polygondwanaland" has a lot to dissect regarding polyrhythm and polymeter. Another album of theirs, "Changes", has a concept where every track uses multiple keys.
Not gonna lie, I hit the like button on this one before the ad was even over 😂 it had to be good!
I had read a good amount about this album before it came out, but your analysis made it much more clear what they really did musically on that album. Thanks for the insight!
Interesting concept of a album. 👍
this album is my fav from them
Agreed
Please do all the polymeters on petrodragonic next u legend
I’ve never understood the “Nobody plays in Locrian” thing. I did it, it was nothing, like any mode.
You tell the bass player to play B-roots and everybody else plays in C-Major and occasionally just pretend that B is the tonic. 😊
I play in Locrian on harmonicas sometimes, which is like playing in Mixolydian but without resolving on what would be the tonic of Mixolydian. I usually improvise in Locrian for a bit before going back to Mixolydian.
@@reillywalker195 I think it's just that bV that upsets people. When you can't go to the natural V to lead back to the tonic (not that you always should be now you can't) you have to be creative and trust that your audience is hip and willing to go with you.
Haha, I actually thought "Even locrian?" And today's thumbnail answered me perfectly!
so glad this band is getting recognition! All their songs have such an unusual sound and I'm glad someone broke down the music theory :))))
Fine video you got there...love from india👍 this is a value packed work, the result of hardwork and dedication...keep up the good work!
Thank you 😊
11:20 I had the same idea for a locrian song, except I also added an 11th to the chord. So my song had a Bm7add11(no5) as the tonic chord, ocassionally going to Em7,11(no5) and Am7,11(no5). That created a stable enough, but somewhat unsettling harmony.
Sounds like your tonic uses the notes B D A and E. Which can also be arranged as: B E A D. Quartal harmony. This could even be collapsed into B D E A. Or the Bm7 but replace the fifth with fourth.
been waiting for this one!
Listening to this album would be a great to get a feel for each modes characteristic sound, as well as watching your videos obviously David.
Of course King Gizzard would be the ones to make a full locrian song sound good.
How can it be in Locrian, when they just avoid the 5th scale degree for 99.9% of it? lol
they don't? they remove it from the chords but keep it in the melodies@@kierenmoore3236
Only in the chords though. A stand point of model music is sticking to a purpously vague progression and allowing the melody to dictate the mode, not the chords. See Miles Davis for example. @@kierenmoore3236
Nice
@@kierenmoore3236If you take the time to listen to it it’s featured in almost all of the melodic lines.
Can you do a video about pentatonic scales? or maybe "the one vid about all the arab-esque sounding scales" where you really go through all of them (phrygian, harmonic minor, phyrigian dominant, double harmonic and what have ya...) and also focus on getting all the names right (like what's the hungarian scale? the byzantine?) to end the confusion once and for all :)
That would be amazing. I love these scales but they're always so confusing and tricky to harmonize
Bro David Bennet talking about King Gizzard? Fucking finally
Hearing Magma and Lava live is absolutely mind blowing
Learned so much from you again. Thank you so much :)!
The fact that some people will now listen to gizzard because of this video makes me very happy. Enjoy guys, it's a hell of a rabbit whole.
You're all welcome to this community!
Most over rated band of our time
@@Tityretupatulae If you say so it must be true, mustn't it? Bro grow up, music is subjective. Many people love gizz, if you don't then that's fine, but don't try to ruin it for others, will ya?
@@metaldude2410 why does saying something is overrated mean that you’re trying to ruin something?
Also what do mean “welcome to the community”? Are you the gatekeeper of discussions of a band? No? Well then why should anyone care if they are welcome or not if they want to talk about something lol.
@@adino20 Cuz noone asked for a rating bro. That guy didn't contribute to my comment in any way other than being annoying
Literally every time I’ve tried to write in locrian I just play a i chord with a 7th instead of the b5 and instead use the b5 as a blue note. It’s just a good idea and I’m glad they thought of it too
King Gizz always amaze me with how they're able to create such bops, while constantly flopping back and forth between genres. And this video helps to reinforce my thoughts that they're just musical geniuses that are overshadowed by other much larger artists.
Mixolydian is the AC/DC mode in my mind
The Jerry Garcia mode for me
Sounds like something King Gizzard would do. How come they haven't done it in a single song yet?
Gotta leave something for the future! I’d expect them to make a round around the circle of fifth, first song in C, second in G, third in D, etc, incorporating all modes (C Major through C Locrian in Song 1).
It's not necessary for the tonic chord of Locrian to be diminished since it can also be a minor 7 flat 5 chord, also known as a half-diminished chord. That said, when it comes to Locrian, it's often best to embrace its dissonance and weirdness rather than try to mask it.
I dreamt of this video when the album came out. Thank you David!
Great Video.
Wonderful job Explaining the theory.
Thanks for the breakdown!! Love this band.
Ice V is my favorite track on this album
Obviously the best on there but listen to the magma live recording on red rocks.
I was there... it blew my face off
@@Blockoumi ua-cam.com/video/CkCQskIxtj8/v-deo.html
YESSSS WE ARE ENTERING THE GIZZVERSE
Love the concept of the video. And amazing artwork, King Gizzard.
The artwork is to distract you from the sound … and the fact that they just omitted the 5th scale degree from 99.9% of the song that’s supposed to be ‘in Locrian’ … ☺️
@@kierenmoore3236 man it's always so amusing to see people like you in comments sections like this. Commenting on every thread and being ignored. It's okay, I noticed you. I hope the attention makes you feel better.
@@kierenmoore3236 Forever a clown. 🤡
At least I listen to good music … 😉
@@kierenmoore3236 like what?
Seeing a David Bennett ad on a David Bennett video. Nice
Gizz has gotten David’s attention. Interesting. Saw them two nights ago. Third time. (I’m a newbie.) Always a jaw dropper.
Gliese 710 sounds awesome in Locrian.
It’s not in Locrian. It’s in Phrygian, really.
@@kierenmoore3236*Phrygian b5. I wonder if there's a name for that 🤔
gotem @@ezg5221
That rendering of the list of modes in the same font of the album's title is clean! There's no "X" in the original, so I assume you found the font.
yessirrrr, king gizz is seriously one of the coolest bands of all time, for those who dont know, they've done like almost every genre, and have released over 20 albums over like ten years, they're crazy good
Prolific and good are two different things.
@@kierenmoore3236They're both
@@kierenmoore3236Damn dude you're a real hater. Touch grass
@@kierenmoore3236 Two different things they always deliver in each release
@@HAZARDOUS88 fr
Great video!
Really good examples of modes that help me understand them.. thank you for being ace
How to Locrian:
John Kirkpatrick: fully embrace the pesky Locrian sound, avoid the one note that could make it sound not Locrian
King Gizzard: avoid the one note that makes the Locrian sound
I never heard of this band until this video. I now have something new to listen to.
25 albums 25 albums
i kind of don't want to start listing starting points because i will never stop. i'll just say, do NOT discount their live work - they are a phenomenal performing band
Welcome.
@@iPig to what? He could hate them.
@@adino20 What are you on about brother?
Ain't no way! If David covers Necrophagist's "Fermented Offal Discharge" or Suicmez's use of harmonic minor or diminished scales I will die a happy man.
Necrophagist, Decapitated and Rimmsky-Korsakov would make awesome topics for applying diminished scales in music.
Disclaimer: you may not like the vocals, but there are orchestral covers for technical death metal.
Great video!
Oh yeahhh, finally a whole King Gizzard video by my favourite music youtuber
Question:
Why instead of using g min/Bflat maj key signatures with a raised E to an E natural, we don't use F major key signature?
G dorian is the second mode of the F maj/ionian so its more reasonable and we don't have to raise anything
p.s. its the same with D phrygian...using B flat maj key sig. is better than F maj key sig. , innit?
One of my favorite albums ever
@DavidBennettPiano
Dear David, I have a question regarding Ice Five (Dorian). I understand that you wanted to highlight the difference between the natural minor and dorian scale, but isn't interpreting the song in the 'parent key' of Bb really confusing?
If we see it as being in F (so G dorian) we would simply have a ii - iii and have no need to raise the b5 of the vii chord. We would also have one accidental less in the key signature. Why did you interpret it this way?
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Great video Mr Piano!
Loved this! Please do Ginger Toot 🙏
Well, this could lead to an interesting concept album series. Next album, the modes of the harmonic minor scale, next the modes of the double harmonic major scale, then melodic minor, and finally harmonic major. That's your next 4 albums sorted KG. You're welcome 😀
Those albums would release before your next birthday most likely as well. xD
I came here searching for "why hasn't David Bennett discussed King Gizzard" and wasn't disappointed... he managed to sneak this in hours before I went after him
Didn’t expect David to talk about king gizzard
YESSSSSSS!!!!!! Favorite album, favorite band, favorite music UA-camr
Yes!!! Please do more vids on Gizz!
your ass was like "even locrian" as if nobody was expecting an album called "ice death planets lungs mushrooms and lava" to use locrian
Locrian is one of those scales that exist in theory but not in reality.
Doing Am7(omit5) is still Am7, the 5 is actually heard through the harmonics.
The use of the Eb here is obviously ornamental.
I would try to use an Eb chord maybe...
So you know of any songs that use the whole chord?
I love this band. I'm not too knowledgeable about music theory (getting more knowledgeable thanks to David Bennet!), but I appreciate King Gizz giving us a good sounding example of each mode. I get people often aren't into this, calling it boring or uninteresting, but I am the exact opposite, I find this album captivating and interesting. Then again, I'm not the biggest fan of modern radio pop music. I still like The Beatles, but they're from the 60s, not really modern.
Never heard of this band but I will be checking them out 😊
Into the rabbit hole you go
@@siebenedrissg wooooo! 🤘🏻
Woooos are an important part of the experience.
Finally a video that doesn't mention The Beatles :)
Hi David, I was wondering if you like Elliott Smith and could feature some of his songs on the channel. He uses a lot of interesting chords progressions and key changes.
agreed
NICE to know you like Aussie music Dave! \m/
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Awesome video on one of my favourite bands!
Please do some kind of analysis on Ali Akbar Khan.
Time they come out with some new stuff though...
Please, no.
Give them a few months, damn, lol
Your metaphorical descriptions of the sound of modes are imaginative and very helpful.
So I have seen this before and I am always a bit perplexed by this: so whenever you have a non-Ionian or non-Aeolian scale/mode you still seem to have the same fixed accidentals as the Ionian or Aeolian counterpart. So the G dorian example has two flats and the D phrgian has one flat whereas whenever I play things notated and in these modes a G dorian would have only one flat and D phrygian would have two flats. Now interestingly, the F lydian example had no accidental but D mixolydian has two sharps instead of one and A locrian has no accidentals instead of two flats. Although I see what they did there by omitting the 5 in that A(di)m chord. :) So what gives? For me, the natural thing would be to indicate G mixolydian with no accidentals, C# phrygian with 3 sharps, C dorian with two flats etc. So again, what gives?
Omitting the 5 and calling it Locrian is total BS. lol
@@kierenmoore3236It did come off as sus, yes. :) But even so, I mean, if I wanted to indicate something to be in C Locrian I would put 5 flats there and not 3 flats and mark every single D flat and G flat.
@@weepingscorpion8739 It’s more than sus, though. The b5 is literally the defining/signature scale degree of Locrian. It would be like buying a “jam donut”, and finding out it’s a plain donut with a tiny dot of jam inside it, lol. I mean, technically, perhaps … but you’d feel cheated. We wouldn’t all be talking about how clever the donut manufacturer was, would we … lol
@@kierenmoore3236 I know. I was ... uhm ... what ever the antonym of exaggerating is... on purpose :)
Does the key signature of the second song indicate C Dorian Rather than G?
About the Locrian mode - did they just "cheat" by leaving the flat5 out? I think they did a bit.
Also you talk about the one needs to be "resolved or resolving chord". No it does not. In my mind, music does not need to resolve into anything. It is ok if it resolves, but it doesn't have to. Or am I just too dumb to understand this "claim"?
always interesting to see people in comments sections hate on gizz just to hate on gizz. great vid btw.
The fact is that they are just an ok band, a couple ok albums, the rest is every uninspiring music, but their fanboys are totally unbearable that they make me dislike the band altogether.
But apart from that, I don’t think they have any songwriting gifts at all
@@Tityretupatulae ah yes the fanboys like me who've made you come here and leave all these comments! If only they hadn't been so damn annoying, then you wouldn't have had to click on this video and leave 10 comments
@@Tityretupatulae might i ask which albums specifically you thought were "ok"?
Also, what specifically do you dislike about their songwriting? Genuinely curious
Only downside I have with this is that the words in the title don't match the titles of the songs in their modes.
Ice is Ionian, but then the song Ice V is not the ionian song and instead it's Mycelium, which would match more logically with Mushrooms being Myxolydian.
So awesome video!!❤😊
was secretly hoping david would end the video with: "now here's a song that I wrote that uses all 7 modes" 😉
Love King Gizzard so much! This album is definitely one of their best.
The example done in Phrygian - could it be compared to Dwight Yoakam's Long White Cadillac in the outro instrumental but not necessarily in Phrygian, which incidentally, is Pete Anderson's best work ¿`_
Best band in the game, and in their prime right now. All hail King Gizz!!!
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Very interesting as an academic exercise... but this is "music for musicians" to my ears.
This is probably one of their few albums that fits that description, but their majority of releases are music for regular people.
As a musician they bore me for not doing enough
No, musicians know very well what good songwriting is. This isn’t unfortunately. This is music for hipsters and for publications like pitchfork that need to make money promoting unlistenable music to pretend to be hip and fresh and relevant
@@Tityretupatulae I've played 5 instruments over my life and I like them :) I don't like hipsters or pitchfork though :( they're better songwriters than anyone else I've heard in about 3 years.
@@TityretupatulaeNow why do you and @unknown6390 feel the need to try and convince everyone that this band is terrible and unimpressive? If you, personally, don't like it, that's fine. But here's the thing, you can just say _that_ instead! It's so easy! Sure it's hippie music, often listened to by hippies, but they clearly know what they're doing and can write a great song. Again, if they're not your thing, fine by me, but just say that and stop trying to make people feel bad for enjoying something!
Unless you're both just doing this to garner attention or reactions. In that case, here you go!
I cut Stu Mackenzie's grandpa's hair hahaha. Love their music, been listening to em since I was about 15!
Maybe my favorite current band.
Ah yes Lizard Lizard and the Lizard Lizard.