I'm an ex-Iglesia Ni Cristo member and an ex-MCGI as well. Truth be told, they're both misguided in their claims that only their Church teaches the gospel truth. May the LORD have mercy on them!
@@tintinismybelgian The MCGI (formerly called the Members Church of God in Christ Jesus Pillar & Ground of Truth - registered w/ the Philippine bureau of commerce in 1977/80) is an indirect offshoot of the INC (founded in 1914). That's why the INC is more popular, having existed longer & amassing millions of congregants in the Philippines alone. The MCGI is basically a granddaughter Church borne by the INC.
Thanks Joseph! It does take a lot of time to make videos like this one, but on the bright side, making a one-denomination overview like this is my favorite kind of research.
What are "Old Catholics"? Nevermind, I looked it up. They have nothing to do with the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church created by Jesus. They ordain women and bless same sex unions.
@@PokerMonkey I'm Roman Catholic myself, but I was curious on these as there are a number of different groups, all really small and I personally have a bit of an "uncanny valley" feeling about them as they feel Catholic but aren't. In my city of Wrocław, one of the large medieval churches was given to them some time after World War II.
@@tomaszmagierowski2166 I'm curious myself. I know there's some in the US but I've not found one. Heard the name several times over time but I figured they were against Vatican II.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 even stranger, Old Catholics began because they were against Vatican I (late 1890's council that talked about papal infallibility and centralized the church). Over time they became more and more theologically progressive and now aren't that different from the more high church episcopals or lutherans. I've found them to really only be a presence in areas with Belgian heritage (where they were historically started) or progressive areas with lots of former Catholics.
Just last week we had a Filipino missionary at our church and he specifically called out Church of God alongside LDS and JWs. It made me really curious to know what they were up to over there to make him say that. Great timing!
I'm from MCGI and listening to this, I hope there is no controversies but thank you for making a video about MCGI! May God Bless you :] ! (From west district of NCR)
To round out the large Philippine indigenous denominations, there's the Iglesia Filipina Independiente (IFI; the Philippine Independent Church, commonly called the "Aglipayan Church") that broke off from the Philippine Catholic Church; and the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. of controversial pastor Apollo C. Quiboloy. Pastor Quiboloy is noted for his claim that he is the "Appointed Son of God" and for his involvement in politics. On a separate note, you have pretty good Tagalog pronunciation, considering we tend to have long words!
Soriano (the leader of MCGI) is known for cussing out in public, justifying it as "this X word is not listed in the bible as a bad word, therefore I can say it to any person"
You need the guidance of the Holy Spirit as He guides us in ALL TRUTH - John 16:13 (KJV) The most High God promised a book as the Bible means the book (not manuscripts) Isaiah 34:16 (KJV) Joshua 1:8 (KJV) We are to study and rightly divide His word of truth 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
This video is really timing for me as I'm in my 11th day of Mass Indocrination tomorrow in MCGI. I am a Roman Catholic that wants to be a Members Church of God International. This video gives me more information about the church and it doesn't change my decision to be a part of MCGI. God to be the Glory.
Looking forward for Iglesia Filipina Independiente (Philippine Independent Church) A Catholic tradition in a form of national church . The Church considered as the most tangible result of 1896 Philippine Revolution.🙏
This makes sense to me. I have met some of their members before and they wear a decent and conservative dress. I also met some women in Montana who practice almost the same doctrines but have no name of religion but their women in the church have the same aura with the members of MCGI.
this was a bit of a surprise for me as a Filipino. also, in case it hasn’t been pointed out, the correct title spelling is “Ang Dating Daan” looking forward to see you cover more Asian churches and denominations like this!
@@denzelminimo1883 Regardless, they should've used a more Biblical term like Missionary Evangelization {from the Greek root word Evangélio - Gospel, Good News}. God bless!!
As always, extraordinary your ability to synthesize all this information. Thank you, brother! Is it possible to have one episode on the World Wide Missionary Movement ( Movimiento Misionero Mundial)? It’s the mainly Spanish Speaking denomination I grew up in.
Good idea but Doesn't is "the mainly denomination in Spanish". And it's a classical Pentecostal Church, hasn't strange doctrines, it would be simply to repeat what has been said about the Assemblies of God and the church of God in Christ
i like the presentation Mr.RTH, one thing i noticed is about the you said we actually don't believe in Trinity , we believe the Father, the Son , the Holy Spirit and their functions as God, but the concept of Roman Catholic that all of them are equally same power and might. Our principle based on God's word that Jesus said my Father is greater than I, Jesus is begotten by the Father. and Holy Spirit was sent by the Father after Jesus went back to Heaven. I have so many things to say and THank you for your research. Good Job!
Hi bro, could you do a video comparing the denominations that make up national churches, specifically these 5: 1. Catholic Church (Roman Catholic) 2. Orthodox Catholic Church (Eastern Orthodox) 3. Anglican Communion 4. Lutheran World Federation 5. Oriental Orthodox Communion
My research shows that Eliseo Soriano is proclaimed the Most Sensible Preacher in the World and their choir is the Largest Gospel Choir in the World. Likewise, they have a lot of free public services--like totally free --from education, health, transient, home for the abandoned aged and babies, free ride or transportation, and more---I also figured out that he is the most persecuted preacher in the world for speaking up bravely and debating other religious preachers in the Ph and in the world. My research shows that MCGI is the fastest growing religion in the Ph.
@@intr_vert What a sarcastic comment from a claiming true church whop cann0t even defend its faith. Wow! Ikaw na! Negosyo kapilya mo. Bye and goodluck!
I am curious though... in what standard is he the "Most Sensible Preacher in the World"? Is he like Billy Graham, Dr. RC Sproul, Charles Spurgeon, or [similar to Soriano] Dr. Walter Martin the Bible Answer Man? Also, AFAIK, the INC choir replaced the MCGI counterpart when it comes to Guinness Book of World Records on the number of choir members. I don't know what follows, but I'll check later.
I've only begun to listen to your podcasts. Never heard of these groups. But then, they probably never heard of the "Old Believers" sect of Russian Orthodox in and around Gervais, Oregon near where I live.
I love your content, and the way you make the seemingly confusing chronology of denominations much easier to understand. Could you also make videos on early and medieval Christian histories?
I like the idea, but his forte seems to be modern denominational differences, rather than early church history. There are almost certainly other sources on UA-cam that focus on early church history.
What years are you talking about? If it's Prior to 1517, no problem. Jesus created the Catholic Church. Luther broke away in 1517. After that all the other man made Protestant denominations came along. Want to study history? John Newman was an Anglican priest who set out to study history and "prove" the Catholic Church wrong. Then he became Catholic. A priest, bishop, and Cardinal.
@@PokerMonkey wrong. Jesus didnt create the Catholic Church, Jesus IS the Church. Man created the Catholic Church and other denominations. They took something Holy, God Himself, and tried to convey His holiness to a title or church. Its wrong. Focus on your faith in Christ alone, not a church.
@@PokerMonkey Christ is our Lord and Savior. He is the church. He didn’t make a brick and mortar. You’re focusing on worldly elements rather than a spiritual journey and relationship with Him. That won’t save you. Catholics have it wrong.
THIS IS A GREAT RESEARCH YOU'VE MADE A GREAT HELP TO THOSE WHO WANT TO JOIN MCGI WHO HAS THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE THAT WE READ. . YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDED THE TRUE CHURCH IN ACTS 20:28 WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF GOD NOT CHURCH OF CHRIST THAT INC CLAIM WITH THE WRONG TRANSLATION OF LAMSA VERSION.
Mas may chance pang maligtas Ang mga katoliko kesa sa INC &ADD Kasi eto kayo 1.) they do not hold the deity of Christ Jesus 2.) Trinity 3.) They do not believe salvation by grace, through faith in Christ alone
@@anthonymarktolentino9252 bakit para sainyo lang ba ang Panginoon? Dios nga namin siya! At gusto niya maligtas ang lahat hindi lang kayo! Mkasarili kc ang Katoliko.. TRINITY NA SINASABI MO!! NAKASULAT NGA NA GOD IS GREATER THAN I SABI NG PANGINOONG JESUKRISTO! Hindi sila pantay sa authority!! At nakasulat din na pasusukuin din ang panginoon sa kaniyang Ama ang upang ang Dios ay maging lahat sa lahat. TINURO BA SA NEW TESTAMENT ANG PAG REREBULTO!!?? HINDI NMN KASI NGA MGA PAGANO KAYO TULAD NG MGA TAGA BABILONIA !! ANG TINANGGAP NG MGA APOSTOL AY WALANG BAYAD KAYA IPANAPAMAHAGI NILA DIN NA WALANG BAYAD ! EH KAYO MGA KATOLIKO MAY BAYAD LAHAT " WEDDING" BAUTISMO NG BABY PALANG NA PALPAK" AT MARAMI PA PAPERAHAN KASI ANG ARAL NINYO!
I want to relay some more information regarding some things discussed in this video. Disclaimer: I am no longer associated with this church but I was for a long period of time since I was young. I am only relaying information. His teachings are founded from Bible verses and while he can cite them, I can't. I remember the teachings and when there are Bible verses associated with a particular thought but the specific verse I don't remember. For this reason, I'm going to put "(BV)" on phrases that have a bible verse attached to it. 11:19 Faith alone saves. His teaching regarding this one is founded on two principles: Christ is the arm and word of God (BVs) and God is all-knowing (BV). As said in the video, his teaching is that God is the arm and word of God and that Christ came from God himself, then Christ is also a God therefore, they have the same powers albeit God is more almighty. God the Father can see the heart of man (BV) and Christ as well. God can see is all-knowing, and he knows what can and will happen in the future (BV). So when Christ saw the heart of the thief, he knew that if the thief was spared and was given a longer life to live, he would use that life to commit himself to the teachings of the word of God- which why he was spared. 13:05 There are multiple bible verses that he pertains to as proof that speaking tongues is actually the work of the devil to keep christians away from the true church of God. 14:40 To add on his view of sexuality and baptism: He had a television segment called, "Itanong Mo Kay Soriano" translating to "Ask Soriano". It is a segment wherein he is connected via call to different locales of the church wherein anyone who set an appointment to ask something about life really, he can provide answers backed up by multiple bible verses. (My parent actually tried this which convinced them to join) In this segment, I remember that a transwoman asked him if she could still join the church and enter heaven if she does. He alluded to a bible verse saying that anything God cleanses is already cleansed and is absolved. So basically what he said was, since she already transitioned and if she is baptized, God accepts her whole being as how she presented herself. Since God cleansed her, she will be saved provided that she follows the word of God. However, the bible prohibits homosexual acts so basically she still couldn't be herself. (🥴) 17:05 There are actually high ranking women within the church as a whole and within locales in the church however, his main teaching is that women can't be church leaders- like the highest leader within the church. 17:30 He encourages other people outside the church to go out and seek preachers so they could have a wise judgment on whether or not they should join the church. I remember when I was young, he actually encouraged members to do this too but in later years of his life, he was saying that there is no reason to seek for other teachings if you already found the true one. A principle upheld to this day. 17:40 The church actually release information on how many people are baptized after there a scheduled mass baptism. They release this information every time during "Thanksgiving". There is an intricate schedule of church activities a member needs to attend religiously since not attending is alluded as a sin. His adept knowledge and brazen behavior in inciting a debate regarding teachings of the Bible is what made him a charismatic preacher. He wasn't like the others- he had a foul mouth and an even more foul temper when he spots what he deems untrue principles or principles that aren't within the Bible. However, the reason for my disassociation is due to certain issues that can be deemed as ALLEGEDLY "cult-ish", "controversial" and "corrupt" among others.
This church are masters of logic and they use logic so much even in preaching during their gatherings. Their ministers have to be well-equipped with Biblical literacy and must master the use of logic to defend their "Bible-based" doctrine against the philosphy-based teachings of men. Their so-called "indoctrination" sessions are required before you will be able to consent to their Baptism. After you got baptized, you will become a member. Erring brethren will become "suspended" which means they are not allowed to give monetary contributions and can't hold any administrative or committee responsibilities until suspension is lifted. They do not take any monetary contributions from non-members. Their detractors call them "peculiar" but the MCGI are proud to be called as such. They take being called as peculiar to be an honor rather than insult. So now their detractors call them a "cult" 😅
Can you do a video about "Jesus Reigns" in the Philippines. It is a christian event every Nov 30 where every christians, regardless of denominations, have feast and celebration for Jesus Christ. It's not only in the Philippines but it spread out to Indonesia, US, Israel, and other countries with significant Filipino population
I do have a bit of respect for someone who took the time to actually learn something about other denominations before saying that they were wrong. It's also kind of refreshing to see someone who blatantly displays the arrogance that others, who make the same claims of perfect understanding that all others over the past two thousand years have failed to understand, try to deny with claims of reflection and inspiration.
So glad you did this! Great job! But its NOT a denomination, it's a CULT. Main reasons would be: 1) They do not hold to the deity of Christ, 2) The Trinity and 3) They do not believe in Salvation by grace, through faith in Christ alone. They're practically an offshoot of INC.
@@gavasiarobinssson5108 , Absolutely true, If a church disagrees with another church, they call it a "cult"; I become very suspicious of churches who call other churches :cults"
Very interesting; I have a friend in the Philippines I talk to on a daily basis, I will be interested to show him this and see what he thinks. To my mind, these guys are mostly right up my alley. I agree with a lot of their "statement of faith" or whatever, and don't see any serious errors. (Just what I think, everyone is free of course to agree or disagree.) I have one suggestion for your videos, friend: can you somehow incorporate the textual content of your thumbnails into the title of your videos? Many times I want to find a video you did, but can only remember the words in big colorful fonts that were in the thumbnail. I have a hard time finding the specific video in the future, because none of the words in the thumbnail that I remember, are indexed by UA-cam; they only use the video titles as searchable metadata. I appreciate that you keep it to "just the facts, ma'am" in your videos, and your video thumbnails often veer into clickbait? Like many channels, you may rely on outside help for that kind of thing, and they're designing the thumbnail to generate a lot of traffic... which I totally get. But the tone of your thumbnails is not at all similar to the tone you maintain for the video contents. Thanks for the video again.
Specific to this video: the thumbnail has in huge font "THE CHURCH OF MASS INDOCTRINATION." Technically this is true, but any reasonable person can understand that this is misleading and fails to give context, thus leading to a more negative evaluation to someone who does not watch the video. This church seems to have reappropriated the term and used it in a very literal positive sense, that being the indoctrination (to teach a doctrine) of the masses (as many people as possible.) But anyone who is honest will know that "mass indoctrination" will be taken as a slur to any english speaker ;-) So I think the thumbnail is inappropriate.
What about the omnipresence of God? "If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there." -Psalm 139:8 Also I am having a hard time understanding how the thief was justified by faith for an hour, but you cant be justified by faith and go to heaven in a week without good works. "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." -2 Peter 3:8. I am just curious as to where the consistency is. This Filipino pastor says we are saved by works but if we can't do good works than we are saved by faith and I agree which is why I say this- man cannot do good works, all the works we do are by God working through us. Therefore we can't be saved by works because there are no good works for us to be saved by. It is only by Faith we are saved." For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing;it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." -Ephesians 2:8-10 God bless!
@simon blankenship Yeah the "God is not omnipresent" seems wrong. But I don't see this necessarily a salvation issue, do you know what I mean? Let's say you keep God's Word in your heart, you have put faith in Christ, as God who came down to die for our sins. And you get to the "Pearly Gates" (I'm being ridiculous here, only for illustration purposes, I hope you understand ☺ ) and God says "Well, nope you were wrong on the omnipresent thing... have fun in Hell." There are some points of faith that, while sounding entirely wrong or even crazy to us, may not in the end be necessary for living a good Christian life and making it into the kingdom. God bless.
@@HukiTohunga If men and women of God focused more on what God expects of us, what He says, what we are to believe and behave as His children... and less about one-upping each other with out-of-context Bible verses aimed to "prove the other guy wrong", I think we'd be a lot better off. Of course, many churches are dead wrong about a lot of things that ARE essential. But this? Seems more like a bullet point in a statement of faith, confession, or catechism that really has no bearing on our eternity. Hope I've been clear.
Psalm 139: 7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? 8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. 9If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea; 10Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me. 11If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me. 12Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee. Jeremiah 23: 23Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off? 24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Yes, God fills heaven and earth. But He also sits on His throne in heaven with the Son at His right hand. So, how are we going to reconcile the seeming incomprehensibility of God's omnipresence? By understanding that it is His Spirit, and spirits, who fill the universe. The Bible never defined that the Holy Spirit is only one.
The _sect_ rejects the Trinity, yet they affirm that the three persons are one but the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit and so on. Basically, an objection to modalism (replace "persons" with "modes or forms"), not trinitarianism. 💀💀💀
No. he said that the difference is that trinity teaches that they all have the same power. And the church says they don't have the same power thus not believing in the trinity but believe in all three.
Yeah, but the clue to distinguish these various Church of God is that this one from the Philippines have the word "Members" in their legal registration, thus it's "Members of the Church of God International". It's part of their doctrine that they have to be "members" of that 1st-century Christian Church founded by Christ. They are sola-scritura and has restorationism view.
Believers in this case are those who after attending the indoctrination sessions believe and accept the doctrines and are willing to be baptized of their own volition. Those who attended but don't believe won't be baptized as compliance to Christ's teachings according to Him must be voluntary. Undergoing baptism is indeed necessary to those who have already heard Christ's teachings over the indoctrination sessions because it is God calling them to receive Him through His words. Rejecting His teachings is rejecting His Son and Him.
Because those who don't believe in infant baptism (and so believe that baptism should be for those who believe) also believe that infants and children who die are saved. They also reject believing in original sin (sin of Adam and Eve passed down to generations).
Wow. I couldn't even get halfway through this. The "theology" is just so bad... Any thinking person with an internet connection can do better than this "church".
Name one that you don't agree and why. You imply that there are many bad theology of this church so I'm sure it's not hard for you to mention just one. If you can't substantiate your claim, even just one, then you're not one of those "Any thinking person with an internet connection can do better" that you're talking about.
Really? I was thinking an Early Church History class but okay. Not sure how learning about Plato’s Forms would prevent people with religious convictions from leaving a church that they sincerely believe to be teaching wrongly and starting a new one based on those convictions.
@@mcgheebentle1958 Let me translate what Qwerty meant for you: "I know a lot about philosophy and find a lot of these schisms to be childish and trite. Since I am smart, they should ask me what to do."
@@mercster Lol, I see. All hail the almighty philosophy major. They’re super smart and definitely will do something productive with their lives at some point, maybe.
They would just conclude that all these religions are a pack of lies, which is pretty much the impression you get after listening to a few of these videos
1Timothy 2:5 states that Jesus is man and God now, The rejection of justification by faith is Campbellism; Hab. 2:4, Romans 1:17, Gal.3:11, Hebrews 10:38, Phil. 3:9. Titus 3:5-7. You have to be blind not to see justification by faith in scripture. The Man under discussion in this video is blind and willful.
You’re over reacting. Bro. Eli never rejected justification by faith. What he is rejecting is the phrase “justification by faith only”. The emphasis there is the addition of the word “only”.
@@princejher Nonsense, synergists abound and they play a shell game. Justification is by faith ALONE. That idea leaps out at you from scripture. Only those who need more than the atonement for salvation will complain if we use the word ALONE. Read Romans 4:16 which bases salvation on what God will do ALONE.
Jeez... I have a few friends from this denomination and they would share some posts of facebook about what is going on in their events. What I would always notice is they would always talk about how blessed and good their speaker is. Not much about the word of God. They would most often quote the people instead of quoting the scriptures, which is something I would dislike. Also that part about omnipresence... What god does this man serve? I'm sorry but I'm frustrated about that part. They are worse than I imagined...
@mikesolns1364 my friend, this has been a few months ago. But to be honest with you, I got (and I'm getting) a little confused, haha. I had a talk with some friends of mine (of my own denomination), and they told me I made a mistake here. Though I found no misunderstanding, when I thought that if I were to do something, even if no one is looking, God sees and God knows. But I guess that would mean he's all-knowing, and it is not his presence that is in question. I guess it was just the fact that Eli said that God's presence will not be in the bad places, and I believe that to be true. But, my friend, I still believe he is omnipresent because in the scriptures, it said that "If two or more are gathered in my name, there I will be in the midst of them." So his presence could be in my church and in yours at the same time that if I call for him, He will be there. And there's no limit as to what place he can be and where his presence may be.
@@bauerch. You need to study the scriptures more friend. They say He sees everything. Not that he is everywhere. And gathered in His name isn't just by mentioning his name. Study so you may learn what in His name means
Therefore Soriano's doctrine is just a copycut from his previous expelled minister in the INC. His church still believe that JC is the father & son true God. All other mentions on your video are derived from the bible are correct except that their true God is human "me pwet".
@@RelihionBaliktad Granting for the sake of argument of saying 'kung ang dios ay may pwet' if you want me to drop a verse that said specifically that god has ass you might be delusional and Bible isn't specifically detailed. ISAIAH 40:22: God sits on his throne above the circle of the earth, and compared to him, people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies like a piece of cloth and spreads them out like a tent to sit under. How can God sit without ass? Genesis 1:27: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Well if you use your brain and logic that man or Human has Ass so maybe god. If you were saying that God is like spirit then give me a verse.
@@RelihionBaliktad Granting for the sake of argument of saying 'kung ang dios ay may pwet' if you want me to drop a verse that said specifically that god has ass you might be delusional and Bible isn't specifically detailed. ISAIAH 40:22: God sits on his throne above the circle of the earth, and compared to him, people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies like a piece of cloth and spreads them out like a tent to sit under. How can God sit without ass? Genesis 1:27: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” Well if you use your brain and logic if god created human to his own image then so god too. God is merciful and forgiving why are you so bothered if my god has physical body or not? That doesn't make you faithful.
Please bro,make your research accurate..hes never been a member or any affilation to iglesia ni cristo(church of christ)...please,its so inaccurate information...
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU? By Francois Gautier. *Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.* Be Your Own Messiah. 1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted 2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik 3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak. 4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman. 5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools. 6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it. 7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure ! 8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead. 9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest. 10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion) 11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi. 12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy. 13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic ! 14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship). 15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy 16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan. 17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study ! 18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped. 19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism! "Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family) 20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival. Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year. 21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu. 22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved. 23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu! 24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom. 25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe! 26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint. 27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily) You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu! This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!! There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every directions
@@Qwerty-jy9mj presumably because it means you aren't taking Genesis extremely literally. Of course, pretending there is no metaphor or poetic language in the Bible is frankly insane.
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I'm an ex-Iglesia Ni Cristo member and an ex-MCGI as well. Truth be told, they're both misguided in their claims that only their Church teaches the gospel truth. May the LORD have mercy on them!
I'd heard of INC before, having lived in Nueva Vizcaya for some years, but not MCGI. I wonder if there's regional prevalence of one over the other.
@@tintinismybelgian The MCGI (formerly called the Members Church of God in Christ Jesus Pillar & Ground of Truth - registered w/ the Philippine bureau of commerce in 1977/80) is an indirect offshoot of the INC (founded in 1914). That's why the INC is more popular, having existed longer & amassing millions of congregants in the Philippines alone. The MCGI is basically a granddaughter Church borne by the INC.
What church do you belong now?
@@jerickp.1535 I'm a [non-denominational] Christian now...
I mean, that's what almost all denominations claim
Synthesizing this amount of information must have been an incredible amount of work. Well done, and thanks.
Thanks Joseph! It does take a lot of time to make videos like this one, but on the bright side, making a one-denomination overview like this is my favorite kind of research.
@@ReadyToHarvestPlease do the Iglesia Filipina Independiente (IFI) Philippine Independent Church
Thanks for explaining the theology of this denomination. I've always wondered what their doctrines were. Excellent video!
Could you please do the Old Catholics (Union of Utrecht, Union of Scranton), or/and the Mariavites?
What are "Old Catholics"? Nevermind, I looked it up. They have nothing to do with the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church created by Jesus. They ordain women and bless same sex unions.
@@PokerMonkey I'm Roman Catholic myself, but I was curious on these as there are a number of different groups, all really small and I personally have a bit of an "uncanny valley" feeling about them as they feel Catholic but aren't. In my city of Wrocław, one of the large medieval churches was given to them some time after World War II.
Yes and the Liberal Catholic movement ( James Wedgwood).
@@tomaszmagierowski2166 I'm curious myself. I know there's some in the US but I've not found one. Heard the name several times over time but I figured they were against Vatican II.
@@Baltic_Hammer6162 even stranger, Old Catholics began because they were against Vatican I (late 1890's council that talked about papal infallibility and centralized the church). Over time they became more and more theologically progressive and now aren't that different from the more high church episcopals or lutherans. I've found them to really only be a presence in areas with Belgian heritage (where they were historically started) or progressive areas with lots of former Catholics.
Just last week we had a Filipino missionary at our church and he specifically called out Church of God alongside LDS and JWs. It made me really curious to know what they were up to over there to make him say that. Great timing!
I live in a boarding house with Philipinos in New Zealand and sadly so many of them belong to these works based cults
Incredibly well presented. Congratulations on your research.
I'm from MCGI and listening to this, I hope there is no controversies but thank you for making a video about MCGI! May God Bless you :] !
(From west district of NCR)
To round out the large Philippine indigenous denominations, there's the Iglesia Filipina Independiente (IFI; the Philippine Independent Church, commonly called the "Aglipayan Church") that broke off from the Philippine Catholic Church; and the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, The Name Above Every Name, Inc. of controversial pastor Apollo C. Quiboloy. Pastor Quiboloy is noted for his claim that he is the "Appointed Son of God" and for his involvement in politics.
On a separate note, you have pretty good Tagalog pronunciation, considering we tend to have long words!
What an interesting denomination. Thanks for your diligence in researching them.
Yeah
dont waste time to listen to a cult
We invite you to attend Mass Indoctrination sessions.
Soriano (the leader of MCGI) is known for cussing out in public, justifying it as "this X word is not listed in the bible as a bad word, therefore I can say it to any person"
Dont dare to try to join a Cult
I watched the James White vs Inglesia ni Cristo debate. It shows you the importance of knowing Greek and Hebrew. Too many people twisting the English
That debate was crazy. Ventilacion was using different translations to fit his meaning.
Greek and Hebrew can be twisted too, by the way.
You need the guidance of the Holy Spirit as He guides us in ALL TRUTH - John 16:13 (KJV)
The most High God promised a book as the Bible means the book (not manuscripts)
Isaiah 34:16 (KJV)
Joshua 1:8 (KJV)
We are to study and rightly divide His word of truth 2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
@@emilybachabsolutely!
ua-cam.com/video/jSq-eC9nsZU/v-deo.htmlfeature=shared
This video is really timing for me as I'm in my 11th day of Mass Indocrination tomorrow in MCGI. I am a Roman Catholic that wants to be a Members Church of God International. This video gives me more information about the church and it doesn't change my decision to be a part of MCGI. God to be the Glory.
You're in the wrong church
You didnt even read the catechism lol
@@zach_4224 I did.
Salamat sa Dios
Looking forward for Iglesia Filipina Independiente (Philippine Independent Church)
A Catholic tradition in a form of national church . The Church considered as the most tangible result of 1896 Philippine Revolution.🙏
Philippine Revolution
wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Revolution
@Ready to Harvest Please do the video
Very informative. Thanks!
The fruit of true faith is good works to manifest Christlikeness.
This makes sense to me. I have met some of their members before and they wear a decent and conservative dress. I also met some women in Montana who practice almost the same doctrines but have no name of religion but their women in the church have the same aura with the members of MCGI.
This church uses logic very interesting.. I hope that you should include bible verses of each doctrine they have.
this was a bit of a surprise for me as a Filipino. also, in case it hasn’t been pointed out, the correct title spelling is “Ang Dating Daan”
looking forward to see you cover more Asian churches and denominations like this!
Well, at least they're honest about conducting mass indoctrinations.
They used that phrase in UNTV, a broadcasting channel
@@denzelminimo1883 Regardless, they should've used a more Biblical term like Missionary Evangelization {from the Greek root word Evangélio - Gospel, Good News}. God bless!!
@@UnworthyServantofChrist exactly. That's their problem actually
Ain't that the truth.
Yeah. Hahaha
He is a Genius! Anointed man
Thanks for the info, as always.
Have you considered doing a video on the "proto-Protestants", the Waldensians?
Gooid idea. The evangelical Waldense Church Exist in the actually
As always, extraordinary your ability to synthesize all this information. Thank you, brother!
Is it possible to have one episode on the World Wide Missionary Movement ( Movimiento Misionero Mundial)? It’s the mainly Spanish Speaking denomination I grew up in.
Good idea but Doesn't is "the mainly denomination in Spanish". And it's a classical Pentecostal Church, hasn't strange doctrines, it would be simply to repeat what has been said about the Assemblies of God and the church of God in Christ
i like the presentation Mr.RTH, one thing i noticed is about the you said we actually don't believe in Trinity , we believe the Father, the Son , the Holy Spirit and their functions as God, but the concept of Roman Catholic that all of them are equally same power and might. Our principle based on God's word that Jesus said my Father is greater than I, Jesus is begotten by the Father. and Holy Spirit was sent by the Father after Jesus went back to Heaven. I have so many things to say and THank you for your research. Good Job!
Hi bro, could you do a video comparing the denominations that make up national churches, specifically these 5:
1. Catholic Church (Roman Catholic)
2. Orthodox Catholic Church (Eastern Orthodox)
3. Anglican Communion
4. Lutheran World Federation
5. Oriental Orthodox Communion
He has
@@aimee-lynndonovan6077 hi do you have the link?
I kinda like many of his teachings. Except his teaching on the nature of God, the nature of Christ, religious calendars and celebrations.
what's left?
This video is great. More Philippine Denominations to come...
Proud MCGI ❤️❤️😊❤️
Salamat sa Dios
Interesting sounds like some adventist influences that were rejected. I heard we have a significant membership there.
My research shows that Eliseo Soriano is proclaimed the Most Sensible Preacher in the World and their choir is the Largest Gospel Choir in the World. Likewise, they have a lot of free public services--like totally free --from education, health, transient, home for the abandoned aged and babies, free ride or transportation, and more---I also figured out that he is the most persecuted preacher in the world for speaking up bravely and debating other religious preachers in the Ph and in the world. My research shows that MCGI is the fastest growing religion in the Ph.
So unbiased and fair research! 😅😅Bravo 👏👏👏
#Proud INC
@@intr_vert What a sarcastic comment from a claiming true church whop cann0t even defend its faith. Wow! Ikaw na! Negosyo kapilya mo. Bye and goodluck!
Salamat sa Dios
I am curious though... in what standard is he the "Most Sensible Preacher in the World"? Is he like Billy Graham, Dr. RC Sproul, Charles Spurgeon, or [similar to Soriano] Dr. Walter Martin the Bible Answer Man?
Also, AFAIK, the INC choir replaced the MCGI counterpart when it comes to Guinness Book of World Records on the number of choir members. I don't know what follows, but I'll check later.
Thanks be to God,a proud member here.
I found you MCGI.❤
Salamat sa Dios
Thanx, Joshua 🌹🌹🌹🌹
I've only begun to listen to your podcasts. Never heard of these groups. But then, they probably never heard of the "Old Believers" sect of Russian Orthodox in and around Gervais, Oregon near where I live.
Gervais, Oregon
wikipedia.org/wiki/Gervais,_Oregon
“You just confessed the heresy of partialism, Patrick!”
This is so informative.
It looks like there's an editing mistake around 15:20 where some content got skipped.
I'm Filipino and have heard of this church in TV and Social Media posts, I didn't know that their theology is that weird.
Istoryahe
Unusual and cult-ish
in what way?
@@balistixmapping197how
I love your content, and the way you make the seemingly confusing chronology of denominations much easier to understand. Could you also make videos on early and medieval Christian histories?
I like the idea, but his forte seems to be modern denominational differences, rather than early church history. There are almost certainly other sources on UA-cam that focus on early church history.
What years are you talking about? If it's Prior to 1517, no problem. Jesus created the Catholic Church. Luther broke away in 1517. After that all the other man made Protestant denominations came along. Want to study history? John Newman was an Anglican priest who set out to study history and "prove" the Catholic Church wrong. Then he became Catholic. A priest, bishop, and Cardinal.
@@PokerMonkey wrong. Jesus didnt create the Catholic Church, Jesus IS the Church. Man created the Catholic Church and other denominations. They took something Holy, God Himself, and tried to convey His holiness to a title or church. Its wrong. Focus on your faith in Christ alone, not a church.
@@samueldocski4426 What’s your Authority? My Bible says Jesus created a church in Matt 16:18, I’m not going to repeat it all. Believe what you want.
@@PokerMonkey Christ is our Lord and Savior. He is the church. He didn’t make a brick and mortar. You’re focusing on worldly elements rather than a spiritual journey and relationship with Him. That won’t save you. Catholics have it wrong.
@God bless you on your journey!!!
THIS IS A GREAT RESEARCH YOU'VE MADE A GREAT HELP TO THOSE WHO WANT TO JOIN MCGI WHO HAS THE TRUE TEACHINGS OF THE BIBLE THAT WE READ. .
YOU SHOULD HAVE ADDED THE TRUE CHURCH IN ACTS 20:28 WHICH IS THE CHURCH OF GOD NOT CHURCH OF CHRIST THAT INC CLAIM WITH THE WRONG TRANSLATION OF LAMSA VERSION.
INC & ADD cult
@@anthonymarktolentino9252 lalo nmn ang katoliko liko liko ang aral sa biblia.. puro nlang luhod sa rebulto.
Mas may chance pang maligtas Ang mga katoliko kesa sa INC &ADD
Kasi eto kayo
1.) they do not hold the deity of Christ Jesus
2.) Trinity
3.) They do not believe salvation by grace, through faith in Christ alone
@@anthonymarktolentino9252 bakit para sainyo lang ba ang Panginoon? Dios nga namin siya! At gusto niya maligtas ang lahat hindi lang kayo! Mkasarili kc ang Katoliko..
TRINITY NA SINASABI MO!! NAKASULAT NGA NA GOD IS GREATER THAN I SABI NG PANGINOONG JESUKRISTO!
Hindi sila pantay sa authority!! At nakasulat din na pasusukuin din ang panginoon sa kaniyang Ama ang upang ang Dios ay maging lahat sa lahat.
TINURO BA SA NEW TESTAMENT ANG PAG REREBULTO!!?? HINDI NMN KASI NGA MGA PAGANO KAYO TULAD NG MGA TAGA BABILONIA !!
ANG TINANGGAP NG MGA APOSTOL AY WALANG BAYAD KAYA IPANAPAMAHAGI NILA DIN NA WALANG BAYAD ! EH KAYO MGA KATOLIKO MAY BAYAD LAHAT " WEDDING" BAUTISMO NG BABY PALANG NA PALPAK" AT MARAMI PA PAPERAHAN KASI ANG ARAL NINYO!
katoliko sumasamba sa kahoy matik d maliligtas@@anthonymarktolentino9252
I want to relay some more information regarding some things discussed in this video. Disclaimer: I am no longer associated with this church but I was for a long period of time since I was young. I am only relaying information.
His teachings are founded from Bible verses and while he can cite them, I can't. I remember the teachings and when there are Bible verses associated with a particular thought but the specific verse I don't remember. For this reason, I'm going to put "(BV)" on phrases that have a bible verse attached to it.
11:19
Faith alone saves.
His teaching regarding this one is founded on two principles: Christ is the arm and word of God (BVs) and God is all-knowing (BV). As said in the video, his teaching is that God is the arm and word of God and that Christ came from God himself, then Christ is also a God therefore, they have the same powers albeit God is more almighty. God the Father can see the heart of man (BV) and Christ as well. God can see is all-knowing, and he knows what can and will happen in the future (BV). So when Christ saw the heart of the thief, he knew that if the thief was spared and was given a longer life to live, he would use that life to commit himself to the teachings of the word of God- which why he was spared.
13:05
There are multiple bible verses that he pertains to as proof that speaking tongues is actually the work of the devil to keep christians away from the true church of God.
14:40
To add on his view of sexuality and baptism:
He had a television segment called, "Itanong Mo Kay Soriano" translating to "Ask Soriano". It is a segment wherein he is connected via call to different locales of the church wherein anyone who set an appointment to ask something about life really, he can provide answers backed up by multiple bible verses. (My parent actually tried this which convinced them to join)
In this segment, I remember that a transwoman asked him if she could still join the church and enter heaven if she does. He alluded to a bible verse saying that anything God cleanses is already cleansed and is absolved. So basically what he said was, since she already transitioned and if she is baptized, God accepts her whole being as how she presented herself. Since God cleansed her, she will be saved provided that she follows the word of God. However, the bible prohibits homosexual acts so basically she still couldn't be herself. (🥴)
17:05
There are actually high ranking women within the church as a whole and within locales in the church however, his main teaching is that women can't be church leaders- like the highest leader within the church.
17:30
He encourages other people outside the church to go out and seek preachers so they could have a wise judgment on whether or not they should join the church. I remember when I was young, he actually encouraged members to do this too but in later years of his life, he was saying that there is no reason to seek for other teachings if you already found the true one. A principle upheld to this day.
17:40
The church actually release information on how many people are baptized after there a scheduled mass baptism. They release this information every time during "Thanksgiving". There is an intricate schedule of church activities a member needs to attend religiously since not attending is alluded as a sin.
His adept knowledge and brazen behavior in inciting a debate regarding teachings of the Bible is what made him a charismatic preacher. He wasn't like the others- he had a foul mouth and an even more foul temper when he spots what he deems untrue principles or principles that aren't within the Bible. However, the reason for my disassociation is due to certain issues that can be deemed as ALLEGEDLY "cult-ish", "controversial" and "corrupt" among others.
This church are masters of logic and they use logic so much even in preaching during their gatherings. Their ministers have to be well-equipped with Biblical literacy and must master the use of logic to defend their "Bible-based" doctrine against the philosphy-based teachings of men.
Their so-called "indoctrination" sessions are required before you will be able to consent to their Baptism. After you got baptized, you will become a member.
Erring brethren will become "suspended" which means they are not allowed to give monetary contributions and can't hold any administrative or committee responsibilities until suspension is lifted.
They do not take any monetary contributions from non-members.
Their detractors call them "peculiar" but the MCGI are proud to be called as such. They take being called as peculiar to be an honor rather than insult. So now their detractors call them a "cult" 😅
Salamat sa Dios
I'm a Trinitarian i always do believed JESUS CHRIST IS GOD. 🙏🙏🙏
2:55 Can't help but notice that you said Soriano died in 2019, but really, he died last February 10th, 2021.
Yeah, not sure what happened there.
Can you do a video about "Jesus Reigns" in the Philippines. It is a christian event every Nov 30 where every christians, regardless of denominations, have feast and celebration for Jesus Christ. It's not only in the Philippines but it spread out to Indonesia, US, Israel, and other countries with significant Filipino population
On 2:58 Bro. Eli did not die in 2019, he did 2 or 3 years later
Proud Iglesia Ni Cristo ang forever INC.
Please do one for the INC - Iglesia ni Cristo.
He did this already: ua-cam.com/video/BnGl7qcblW4/v-deo.html
He should tread lightly. haha.
Haha. I think he can handle it.
He actually did.
I should have watch till the end before commenting.
I do have a bit of respect for someone who took the time to actually learn something about other denominations before saying that they were wrong. It's also kind of refreshing to see someone who blatantly displays the arrogance that others, who make the same claims of perfect understanding that all others over the past two thousand years have failed to understand, try to deny with claims of reflection and inspiration.
kudos.. good review.
Please don’t forget about the Black denominations and how the early ones in the US came into being.
Focus on Jesus, and the Scriptures, then reply on the Holy Spirit to guide you to the absolute truth. All by Grace of God 🙏
So glad you did this! Great job! But its NOT a denomination, it's a CULT. Main reasons would be: 1) They do not hold to the deity of Christ, 2) The Trinity and 3) They do not believe in Salvation by grace, through faith in Christ alone. They're practically an offshoot of INC.
i think the word cult is better used in another fashion. not every movement we dislike can be called a cult
@@gavasiarobinssson5108 , Absolutely true, If a church disagrees with another church, they call it a "cult"; I become very suspicious of churches who call other churches :cults"
Istoryahe
@@gavasiarobinssson5108 heretics then?
@@rholuaugusto6711 put@ ano pinag sasabe mo sa bawat koment? Lol
Proud Catholic Christian ✝️🙏
Can’t believe docetism still survived through this sect.
You better listen again to what Bro. Eli said about Jesus incarnation, he was in human form, so please just correct your statement.
Cult
Remember eternal life is not in the body, you leave your body behind
what about the resurrection of the body?
@@watcherwlc53
What about it?
Philippians 3:20-21 (KJV)
Is this denomination/church the same as JMCIM? It sounds similar but everything I look up comparing the two is unhelpful
Very interesting; I have a friend in the Philippines I talk to on a daily basis, I will be interested to show him this and see what he thinks. To my mind, these guys are mostly right up my alley. I agree with a lot of their "statement of faith" or whatever, and don't see any serious errors. (Just what I think, everyone is free of course to agree or disagree.)
I have one suggestion for your videos, friend: can you somehow incorporate the textual content of your thumbnails into the title of your videos? Many times I want to find a video you did, but can only remember the words in big colorful fonts that were in the thumbnail. I have a hard time finding the specific video in the future, because none of the words in the thumbnail that I remember, are indexed by UA-cam; they only use the video titles as searchable metadata.
I appreciate that you keep it to "just the facts, ma'am" in your videos, and your video thumbnails often veer into clickbait? Like many channels, you may rely on outside help for that kind of thing, and they're designing the thumbnail to generate a lot of traffic... which I totally get. But the tone of your thumbnails is not at all similar to the tone you maintain for the video contents.
Thanks for the video again.
Specific to this video: the thumbnail has in huge font "THE CHURCH OF MASS INDOCTRINATION." Technically this is true, but any reasonable person can understand that this is misleading and fails to give context, thus leading to a more negative evaluation to someone who does not watch the video. This church seems to have reappropriated the term and used it in a very literal positive sense, that being the indoctrination (to teach a doctrine) of the masses (as many people as possible.)
But anyone who is honest will know that "mass indoctrination" will be taken as a slur to any english speaker ;-) So I think the thumbnail is inappropriate.
What about the omnipresence of God? "If I ascend into heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You are there." -Psalm 139:8 Also I am having a hard time understanding how the thief was justified by faith for an hour, but you cant be justified by faith and go to heaven in a week without good works. "But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." -2 Peter 3:8. I am just curious as to where the consistency is. This Filipino pastor says we are saved by works but if we can't do good works than we are saved by faith and I agree which is why I say this- man cannot do good works, all the works we do are by God working through us. Therefore we can't be saved by works because there are no good works for us to be saved by. It is only by Faith we are saved." For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is
not your own doing;it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them." -Ephesians 2:8-10 God bless!
@simon blankenship Yeah the "God is not omnipresent" seems wrong. But I don't see this necessarily a salvation issue, do you know what I mean? Let's say you keep God's Word in your heart, you have put faith in Christ, as God who came down to die for our sins. And you get to the "Pearly Gates" (I'm being ridiculous here, only for illustration purposes, I hope you understand ☺ ) and God says "Well, nope you were wrong on the omnipresent thing... have fun in Hell." There are some points of faith that, while sounding entirely wrong or even crazy to us, may not in the end be necessary for living a good Christian life and making it into the kingdom. God bless.
@@HukiTohunga If men and women of God focused more on what God expects of us, what He says, what we are to believe and behave as His children... and less about one-upping each other with out-of-context Bible verses aimed to "prove the other guy wrong", I think we'd be a lot better off. Of course, many churches are dead wrong about a lot of things that ARE essential. But this? Seems more like a bullet point in a statement of faith, confession, or catechism that really has no bearing on our eternity. Hope I've been clear.
They're unitarians so technically they aren't even Christians
Psalm 139:
7Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
8If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
9If I take the wings of the morning, and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
10Even there shall thy hand lead me, and thy right hand shall hold me.
11If I say, Surely the darkness shall cover me; even the night shall be light about me.
12Yea, the darkness hideth not from thee; but the night shineth as the day: the darkness and the light are both alike to thee.
Jeremiah 23:
23Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
24Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.
Thanks! I was also thinking of these verses.
Yes, God fills heaven and earth. But He also sits on His throne in heaven with the Son at His right hand. So, how are we going to reconcile the seeming incomprehensibility of God's omnipresence? By understanding that it is His Spirit, and spirits, who fill the universe. The Bible never defined that the Holy Spirit is only one.
Maybe we folks just mis intérpret the everywhere of Soriano
could you do a video about Filipino LGBT church - Metropolitan Community Church. this is much appreciated sir.
MCC actually comes from the US, though it is in other countries like the Philippines. Here's my video on them: ua-cam.com/video/mNKgYlsurRc/v-deo.html
@@ReadyToHarvest just finished watching. This gave me an intro to MCC crash course. Superb ! More of these and their offshoots.
@@ReadyToHarvestPlease do the Iglesia Filipina Independiente Church video. Thank you in advance.
The video thumbnail is misleading.
Mrs. Eli Soriano, the master of contradictions
How I wish you to be a member of mcgi my friend
Salamat sa Dios
Proud MCGI here..
Cult
The _sect_ rejects the Trinity, yet they affirm that the three persons are one but the Father is not the Son and the Son is not the Holy Spirit and so on. Basically, an objection to modalism (replace "persons" with "modes or forms"), not trinitarianism. 💀💀💀
No. he said that the difference is that trinity teaches that they all have the same power. And the church says they don't have the same power thus not believing in the trinity but believe in all three.
@@e.s.5872basically similar to Biblical Unitarian?
MCGI believes that the three are not equal in authority, which makes it incompatible to the Trinity doctrine. Listen to the video again.
@@ryan-smith Lapses on my part. My bad.
There is a church based in the US that has the same name. As I know where that one came from I am sure that they are not the same.
Yeah, but the clue to distinguish these various Church of God is that this one from the Philippines have the word "Members" in their legal registration, thus it's "Members of the Church of God International". It's part of their doctrine that they have to be "members" of that 1st-century Christian Church founded by Christ. They are sola-scritura and has restorationism view.
How does someone only baptize believers but also think that baptism is necessary for salvation?
Believers in this case are those who after attending the indoctrination sessions believe and accept the doctrines and are willing to be baptized of their own volition. Those who attended but don't believe won't be baptized as compliance to Christ's teachings according to Him must be voluntary. Undergoing baptism is indeed necessary to those who have already heard Christ's teachings over the indoctrination sessions because it is God calling them to receive Him through His words. Rejecting His teachings is rejecting His Son and Him.
Because those who don't believe in infant baptism (and so believe that baptism should be for those who believe) also believe that infants and children who die are saved. They also reject believing in original sin (sin of Adam and Eve passed down to generations).
Hope Ang and Dan's date goes well❤
Wow. I couldn't even get halfway through this. The "theology" is just so bad... Any thinking person with an internet connection can do better than this "church".
Name one that you don't agree and why. You imply that there are many bad theology of this church so I'm sure it's not hard for you to mention just one. If you can't substantiate your claim, even just one, then you're not one of those "Any thinking person with an internet connection can do better" that you're talking about.
MCGI the 3rd largest cults in the philippines 🇵🇭
How about the others?
After INC and Kingdom of Jesus Christ (Quiboloy)
@@Zamiwellwell ×××
1. catholic
2.incm
3.quiboloy
4.ccf
5.born again
6.sabadista
7.saksi ni jehova
Hoo boy..
Sorry, but your information on the death of Brother Eli is not correct - he did not die in 2019 - Brother Eli died on 11th February 2021.
From what I've benn told by a former 7 D.A
9 out of 10 schisms could be prevented if people took an intro to philosophy class in high school.
Yeah, school is what people need. 😂
Really? I was thinking an Early Church History class but okay.
Not sure how learning about Plato’s Forms would prevent people with religious convictions from leaving a church that they sincerely believe to be teaching wrongly and starting a new one based on those convictions.
@@mcgheebentle1958 Let me translate what Qwerty meant for you: "I know a lot about philosophy and find a lot of these schisms to be childish and trite. Since I am smart, they should ask me what to do."
@@mercster Lol, I see. All hail the almighty philosophy major. They’re super smart and definitely will do something productive with their lives at some point, maybe.
They would just conclude that all these religions are a pack of lies, which is pretty much the impression you get after listening to a few of these videos
1Timothy 2:5 states that Jesus is man and God now,
The rejection of justification by faith is Campbellism; Hab. 2:4, Romans 1:17, Gal.3:11, Hebrews 10:38, Phil. 3:9. Titus 3:5-7. You have to be blind not to see justification by faith in scripture. The Man under discussion in this video is blind and willful.
You’re over reacting.
Bro. Eli never rejected justification by faith.
What he is rejecting is the phrase “justification by faith only”. The emphasis there is the addition of the word “only”.
@@princejher Nonsense, synergists abound and they play a shell game. Justification is by faith ALONE. That idea leaps out at you from scripture. Only those who need more than the atonement for salvation will complain if we use the word ALONE. Read Romans 4:16 which bases salvation on what God will do ALONE.
Jeez... I have a few friends from this denomination and they would share some posts of facebook about what is going on in their events. What I would always notice is they would always talk about how blessed and good their speaker is. Not much about the word of God. They would most often quote the people instead of quoting the scriptures, which is something I would dislike.
Also that part about omnipresence... What god does this man serve? I'm sorry but I'm frustrated about that part. They are worse than I imagined...
what part of Omnipresence?
@e.s.5872 Oh, I meant the part where Eli states that God is not omnipresent.
Of course God is not omnipresent according to the scriptures. God can go anywhere but chooses not to go to every place
@mikesolns1364 my friend, this has been a few months ago. But to be honest with you, I got (and I'm getting) a little confused, haha. I had a talk with some friends of mine (of my own denomination), and they told me I made a mistake here.
Though I found no misunderstanding, when I thought that if I were to do something, even if no one is looking, God sees and God knows. But I guess that would mean he's all-knowing, and it is not his presence that is in question. I guess it was just the fact that Eli said that God's presence will not be in the bad places, and I believe that to be true.
But, my friend, I still believe he is omnipresent because in the scriptures, it said that "If two or more are gathered in my name, there I will be in the midst of them." So his presence could be in my church and in yours at the same time that if I call for him, He will be there. And there's no limit as to what place he can be and where his presence may be.
@@bauerch. You need to study the scriptures more friend. They say He sees everything. Not that he is everywhere. And gathered in His name isn't just by mentioning his name. Study so you may learn what in His name means
Iglesia Ni Cristo, are Adventist unitarian in doctrine
4:24 it’s partialism
Please do iglesha ni Cristo next I think you'll be shock
I'm a philippines and my church is mcgi
Salamat sa Dios
Iglesia ni Cristo initially was also a Trinitarian group but have embraced Unitarian doctrine.
Wow😅😅😅
I only know of INC because of James White lol
Do more research, MCGI is not from INC.
Watch it again. It did say that MCGI is an offshoot of Iglesia ng Dios kay Kristo Hesus, h. s. k., which is right, anyway.
Historically it is
Im surprise I have a lot to agree with with Soriano. To bad his soteriology is sketchy.
Istoryahe
Have you fully examine his doctrination then?
I agree with him about homosexuality. That is the most logical explanation for a Christian that has same-sex attraction
Nice sect
To many people claiming that my religion is a cult, find a verse/s that justifies/justify anything you say about why it is a cult, a copycat.
Therefore Soriano's doctrine is just a copycut from his previous expelled minister in the INC. His church still believe that JC is the father & son true God. All other mentions on your video are derived from the bible are correct except that their true God is human "me pwet".
If you are an Inc i bet you have never touch a bible before don't you?
@@Iamtwohundredtwentyfive what verse yur looking for?
@@Iamtwohundredtwentyfive give me the verse of "God ay may pwet"
@@RelihionBaliktad Granting for the sake of argument of saying 'kung ang dios ay may pwet' if you want me to drop a verse that said specifically that god has ass you might be delusional and Bible isn't specifically detailed.
ISAIAH 40:22: God sits on his throne above the circle of the earth, and compared to him, people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies like a piece of cloth and spreads them out like a tent to sit under.
How can God sit without ass?
Genesis 1:27: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”
Well if you use your brain and logic that man or Human has
Ass so maybe god. If you were saying that God is like spirit then give me a verse.
@@RelihionBaliktad Granting for the sake of argument of saying 'kung ang dios ay may pwet' if you want me to drop a verse that said specifically that god has ass you might be delusional and Bible isn't specifically detailed.
ISAIAH 40:22: God sits on his throne above the circle of the earth, and compared to him, people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the skies like a piece of cloth and spreads them out like a tent to sit under.
How can God sit without ass?
Genesis 1:27: “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.”
Well if you use your brain and logic if god created human to his own image then so god too. God is merciful and forgiving why are you so bothered if my god has physical body or not? That doesn't make you faithful.
Please bro,make your research accurate..hes never been a member or any affilation to iglesia ni cristo(church of christ)...please,its so inaccurate information...
The video does not say that he (Eli Soriano) was part of Iglesia Ni Cristo, watch again.
The video say ex member of inc is the founder of Mcgi which is true and confirmed by bro eli himself during his bible expo.
so if u dont agree or dislike a belief system u call it a cult.. in that case everybodys a cult.. HELLO TO ALL CULTIST..
Any God that ISN'T in casinos or brothels is not worth worshipping.
And so you believe that God is also present in the hearts of the devils?
Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope...
You are ignorance! You are not deeply search the word of God.
Just like the names of this religion that keeps on changing, so as their doctrines. Keep on copying the doctrines of the Iglesia Ni Cristo.
How about you Prove it?
They don't need to have women ministers to convolute their faith, since they're doing a fine job of it without that addition.
I agree with a majority of their beliefs. Pants don't change your spirituality. :-)
This is a cult
Its a Cult guys.
WHAT IS SPECIAL ABOUT BEING A HINDU?
By Francois Gautier.
*Diversity in Divinity and Unity in Spirituality.* Be Your Own Messiah.
1) Believe in God ! - Aastik - Accepted
2) Don't believe in God ! - You're accepted as Nastik
3) You want to worship idols - please go ahead. You are a murti pujak.
4) You dont want to worship idols - no problem. You can focus on Nirguna Brahman.
5) You want to criticise something in our religion. Come forward. We are logical. Nyaya, Tarka etc. are core Hindu schools.
6) You want to accept beliefs as it is. Most welcome. Please go ahead with it.
7) You want to start your journey by reading Bhagvad Gita - Sure !
8) You want to start your journey by reading Upanishads - Go ahead.
9) You want to start your journey by reading Purana - Be my guest.
10) You just don't like reading Puranas or other books. No problem my dear. Go by Bhakti tradition . ( bhakti- devotion)
11) You don't like idea of Bhakti ! No problem. Do your Karma. Be a karmayogi.
12) You want to enjoy life. Very good. No problem at all. This is Charvaka Philosophy.
13) You want to abstain from all the enjoyment of life & find God - jai ho ! Be a Sadhu, an ascetic !
14) You don't like the concept of God. You believe in Nature only - Welcome. (Trees are our friends and Prakriti or nature is worthy of worship).
15) You believe in one God or Supreme Energy. Superb! Follow Advaita philosophy
16) You want a Guru. Go ahead. Receive gyaan.
17) You don't want a Guru.. Help yourself ! Meditate, Study !
18) You believe in Female energy ! Shakti is worshipped.
19) You believe that every human being is equal. Yeah! You're awesome, come on let's celebrate Hinduism!
"Vasudhaiva kutumbakam" (the world is a family)
20) You don't have time to celebrate the festival.
Don't worry. One more festival is coming! There are multiple festivals every single day of the year.
21) You are a working person. Don't have time for religion. Its okay. You will still be a Hindu.
22) You like to go to temples. Devotion is loved.
23) You don't like to go to temples - no problem. You are still a Hindu!
24) You know that Hinduism is a way of life, with considerable freedom.
25) You believe that everything has God in it. So you worship your mother, father, guru, tree, River, Prani-matra, Earth, Universe!
26) And If you don't believe that everything has GOD in it - No problems. Respect your viewpoint.
27) "Sarve jana sukhino bhavantu " (May you all live happily)
You represent this! You're free to choose, my dear Hindu!
This is exactly the essence of Hinduism, all inclusive .. That is why it has withstood the test of time inspite of repeated onslaught both from within and outside, and assimilated every good aspects from everything . That is why it is eternal !!!
There is a saying in Rigveda , the first book ever known to mankind which depicts the Hinduism philosophy in a Nutshell -" Ano bhadrah Krathavo Yanthu Vishwathah"- Let the knowledge come to us from every directions
Stupid belief
I've never seen an evangelistic Hindu before.
The video is misleading everything. Maybe this guy never knows what is the truth and history.
A old earth interpretation destroys the Gospel.
a young earth interpretation denies what actually happened
Why does it destroy the gospel?
@@Qwerty-jy9mj presumably because it means you aren't taking Genesis extremely literally.
Of course, pretending there is no metaphor or poetic language in the Bible is frankly insane.
@@mariolis The only eyewitness account of what actually happened is found in the Bible and it says 6 consecutive days.
@@Hark1677
How do you count days before you create a sun?
This is a paid advertisement , lmao .
Lol how? He only explains the different religions and denominations in his channel, he is mostly unbiased.