Someone on Patreon has just pointed out to me that this was also mentioned at the end of an Angry Video Game Nerd episode. I honestly had no idea! My apologies for the cross over. *edit* I revoke my apologies because I've just watched the video in question and he calls the CD32 a piece of sh*t *awaits torrents of abusive comments from fans of significantly larger UA-camr*
I watched a handful of AVGN videos, he tends to not actually discuss the content topic but proceeds to spew profanity at any detail he can isolate and focus down on. I've noticed that his "game reviews" tend to never focus on gameplay or analysis of planning or storytelling techniques and almost exclusively criticise readability and graphics with lots of poop-related profanity. His actual opinions are likely only 2% the reason why people watch his videos, I would guess most people watch them for his rants, quirky skits and exposing obscure game titles.
@@voltare2amstereoI'd be happy with this but looking at the comments on the videos it seems that the majority of AVGN's audience doesn't get this and absorbs the opinions expressed on AVGN as good criticism. I've been told a number of times over the years it's satirical take on game reviews, and the content as a whole feels tired so it clearly appears to me as a satire that's dragged on too long, but I really don't think the majority of its audience even thinks this.
@@Xilefian AVGN is a caricature, you know and shouldn't take anything he says at face value. He is a stereotypical keyboard warrior. That's the POINT of the character, lol. Just watch him to laugh at the basement dwellers who actually get butt-hurt over this stuff. :p
Alicia Pearcy the background terrifying hellsounds is the laser reading the grooves snd stuff that would store the information for the game and it just sounds bad
I found the album on vinyl in a flea market. Best €0.50 I've ever spent. Never gonna give you up is the first track. Just put it in another sleeve and wait.
The warning is reasonable. Essentially random data will manifest itself as white noise. This noise has an equal amount of power per Hz of bandwidth. The woofer in a speaker has a few hundred Hz of bandwidth. The midrange has a few kHz of bandwidth. The tweeter covers about 15 kHz of bandwidth. That means that this noise disproportionately drives almost all the energy into the tweeter. Most normal music puts most of the energy into the woofer and the least into the tweeter. So, playing this track at medium to loud volume can indeed destroy the tweeter and or the crossover network in the speaker.
This is also the reason why they put low-pass filters on the output of CD players. The raw output from the DAC will contain frequencies that probably go into the Mhz (see Fourier Analysis of waveforms), and these will fry your speakers (and your amp probably won't like it much either).
Simon O'Leary Then again, many cheap CD players (especially ones you would find in an integrated stereo or boom box from a discount retailer like Walmart) don’t have a good low-pass filter (if it even has one at all). So they still had to put that warning label on the CD-ROM.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Computer code, in binary and interpreted as 16 bit signed values, will look awfully like white noise. White noise has the same amount of energy per Hz of bandwidth. That overloads the tweeter, since it covers over 10 kHz of bandwidth. Regular sound or music has a much higher percentage of energy in the woofer and midrange bands. This is the reason for the warning.
Ahaha you and family look Rick Astley family .. cheers sir. That should be your family reunions anthem. Family family family, who cares?! We're all family. Im very distant thou :p
JordanMatthew Anderson Idk where it started, but at some point in the early 2000's it became a joke to link people to a video that said like "You won't believe what this girl puts where!!" And then it's just "Never gonna give you up," specifically his bizarre choice of spinning his arms in the video... Man, I'm so old I'm explaining outdated internet memes
For a second, I thought Rickrolling was a thing way back in the mid 90's and I had missed it somehow. But it was clearly NN doing the Rickrolling, not the game publisher.
I remember my neighbour putting a 5 1/2" floppy disk out of its sleeve and playing it on a record player to see what it sounded like. As I'm sure you can imagine, it sounded like a needle being dragged.
@@RennieAsh He probably would have, except that CD players didn't exist at that time. Also 5 1/2" floppy disks already had a hole in the centre. Being a magnetic medium a CD player wouldn't find anything to read and would just spit it out.
I remember the stereos with a remote back in 1992 that when you used the remote to turn up the volume, to my delight.... THE FRIGGEN VOLUME KNOB TURNED TOO!!!!! I could not believe my eyes🤯 neither could my dad!
@@justvaper You could tell the quality of speakers by if the covers came off or not. If the cover was permanently fixed, it was most likely a really cheap speaker.
+Craig Hobbs It wasn't making the discs black that was racist. It was when you put a black disc in a drive that you expected other discs to work in and you knew a black disc wasn't willing to work that was racist.
@@KnuckleHunkybuck To be honest the black disk portion. Only stopped the disk from playing in very cheap cd/DVD units.. Thete is nothing special about the CD head on the Playstation.
I learned about data tracks the hard way:- I put an OS/2 installation CD into my Yamaha CD-X1 "Natural Sound" player. Remember that back then a lot of CDs were AAD and recorded at a lower level, to match other inputs. So I had the volume up higher, and when itbstarted playing I flinched (I never flinch!) so badly I back-handed my coffee mug across the room, leaving a big bruise on my hand. I also stood up suddenly (a bad move in an old place with low ceilings) and my head hit the ceiling beam. I saw stars for about 5 minutes :-) Apart from that, no problem!
Some devs actually put warnings in the actual disk itself as a warning. Most known of this is the Castlevania: Symphony of the Night disk. Where if you put it in a CD player, Alucard just goes "This is a Playstation black disk, it has computer data. Cut Number 1 has cimputer data, so please don't play it. But you probably won't listen to me anyway." then a hidden bonus track starts playing before the data noise starts.
Yeah, companies covering their backsides from lawsuits. Just in case any of the contained video game data did happen to translate to a frequency that would tear up music CD players.
can say about rick what you want but he is never: - gonna give you up - gonna let you down - gonna run around and desert you - gonna make you cry - gonna say goodbye - gonna tell a lie and hurt you
What I find amusing is; the software in question supposedly fits on a floppy disc. They had an entire 700MB CDROM to fill; they could have quite easily applied stegonography to encode the data into some music, let's say by Rick Astley, if they wanted to ;-).
Castlevania symphony of the night had a man with a deep voice saying "this is a PlayStation black disc. Track number one contains game data. Please don't play it in a CD player.... But you probably won't listen to me anyway" followed by a hidden music from the game.
Never will forget when I learned you could play soundtracks from many original Playstation games on your CD player... Surprised I didnt burn up my Twisted Metal discs just listening to the music
you do know that you will get a call from your parents in two to 2000 weeks: " you broke our stereo!- It has been fine before and than you did your youtube thing and now we can't hear......"
Haha.. If they are like my parents, CDs are too modern and untrustworthy. My dad complains the hard drive in his computer gets stuck and physically shakes it if something doesn't load properly.
this remind me when i was a little kid and discovered that my beloved GTA 1 Playstation CD could play the radio stations in my stereo, at first i was scared (track 1) but afterwards was very cool, a rollercoaster of emotions
Well the Quake soundtrack was a Nine Inch Nails CD, No wonder you were rocking it out. You could also pop in another audio CD and it would play those tracks also example Motorhead.
I liked for GTA London on PS1 (not sure if it worked for GTA 1 & 2) how you could remove the game disc once the level was loaded and stick in a regular CD, a different track would play each time you hopped into a vehicle.
@@gregmiller7224 I remember doing this with Twisted Metal 2, but the tracks didn't auto-change like that, that's really cool. I think many (most?) PSX games worked that way, where you could pop out the disc and put in an audio CD to soundtrack your game instead
Very trusting parents allowing you to experiment on their aged stereo. My dad's still not really forgiven me for typing random numbers into his TVPlus remote control to see what it would do.
me too, because my dad told me about a cassette tape called a demagnetizer, he said that I should turn down the volume to 0 when I use it or the speakers will blow up, so i thought it's like this too
Me: This is going to sound so terrible, I have to watch it & hear that noise again... Me 3 min later: Damn it, after over a decade I'd never been Rick-Rolled, thought I was finally in the clear... --P.S. it's an interesting coincidence that the track length was 404 in the old cd player too, I had assumed it was going to be an Easter Egg of sorts by whatever developer programmed that noise protection feature into the newer model player..
I used to do this as a kid for shits and giggles. Interestingly if the data contains 16-bit uncompressed audio, it will play it (albeit surrounded by noise before and after and possibly the wrong speed). I figured this out when I popped in an encyclopedia CD-ROM. :P
A Red Book compliant CD-DA player will start playing audio at Track 01, Index 01. So CDs that had data and Red Book audio would/should put the data at Track 01, Index 00. The problem we ("we" being Philips) discovered was that many (most?) CD-DA players were not exactly Red Book compliant. Later, this got solved by multi-session CDs. Legacy CD-DA players wouldn't find any session but the first one, so anything that wasn't Red Book audio would be on the second session. Interestingly, CD-DA players eventually seem to have abandoned Indices for whatever reason. I guess having 99 tracks provided enough address space for users to reach the bits of audio they were looking for. It's still part of the spec, though.
*WARNING TO ALL SONIC FANS: In the year 2006, we expect the WORST Sonic game, so please DON'T buy it!! And about Nintendo, Sonic will be ported there and --* Me: Why'd I even put my Seamen disc in there? Welp, might as well play it.
Grayson Tartt No the worst Sonic game came out in 2014, Sonic Boom rise of lyric. 06 never caused my 360 to freeze but Rise of Lyric made my Wii U freeze.
I had a problem the other way around. I had a child school game for PC and it encouraged you to put it in the Stereo to play the games soundtrack, but my mother forbid it because she was scared that it would break the stereo. That's now well over 20 years ago. I wonder if I still find this CD xD
Early CDs that mixed data and audio played "noise" in track 1 (the data track) and the music in tracks from 2 onwards, but later CDs used a "multi-session" system so audio players could only see the audio tracks, and even track 1 contained music as well. That CD was probably the latter type and thus, completely safe to play in an audio system, especially given that it was a children's game CD.
I remember when I discovered that the Railroad Tycoon cd could be played in an audio cd player. The first track was the game data but the rest were the music from the game!
Your disc player may have a built in protection against playing data as an audio frequency. I had a copy of red alert counterstrike that I accidentally played the data track once and it sounded quite similar to a 56K modem or fax machine busy line. That's what is supposed to play on older devices. Though some discs, much like red alert counterstrike had bonus audio tracks too.
I still remember putting the Total Annihilation disc into my PC only to find my drive read it as an audio CD, allowing me to take the whole uncompressed soundtrack from the disc.... I love that game.
I hope you are not aware that the Symbol you use on your Profile Pick is pretty much THE Neonazi Symbol of modern times and probably brought to life by the SS itself....
@@albonymus1682 I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. There is not a chance in hell that they aren't aware. It isn't 'pretty much' a Nazi symbol, it literally is a Nazi symbol. It was created specifically for and by Nazis, and later adopted by Nazi occultists. There is not a single logical reason for anyone other than a Nazi to use it. This person is a Nazi.
This reminds me of when i was a small kid and got an XMen mini-CD in a happy meal. Didn't say whether it's for PC or Audio. I naturally put it in my portable cd player, which happened to be turned up. I cried for a good fifteen minutes, and my ears rung the first two.
These old stereos where amazing, i remember that i got my grandparents stereo after they passed away, it had a microphone jack and an actual EQ on it, by buying the Boss HM-2 and a big jack to small jack connector i had my first death metal guitar amp lol.
It's actually a really good video. CD-ROM could fit data, audio and video on the same disc (.EXE .WAV .AVI/MPEG). I was thinking you were going to point out the difference in sound, if any, putting it into an audio device without a PC and we would hear modem noises (I used to do this to wake my housemates up when they drink too much too early). I didn't know CD players actually implemented tech that could read the data as a sound (backwards as that sends written it makes sense to me as I'm drunk). Thank you for that and I did thumbsup the comment just below thinking it was the first Rickroll as well. Also the Rick Astley song used is only 3:35 so I want wiping when I watched you put the right disc in for a 4:04 (editing is the new God). Good job Tim (errr I meant Eric sorry I meant Nerd). Peace!
Anyway... considering that Audio CDs have a sector size of 2352 bytes, whereas a data CD have sector size of 2048 bytes, it's surprising that it would even play on the audio CD player.
The two reasons are: 1. Unpleasantly loud noise, since it would be at 100% in the days before all CDs were recorded at the 100% wall 2. High frequency content could possibly damage tweeters, as they are often rated rather lower than the woofer For mixed mode CD, the later solution was enhanced CD, when later CD-ROM drives supported multisession. Since old CD players didn't understand multisession, they played audio tracks from the first session which was all they knew about … the same would result from very old PC CD-ROM drives of the 1x/2x era. The data track was in the second session
Multisession CDs didn't read in some early CDROM drives. Our Creative 2x CD drive didn't like them. I ran across some up to about the 8X era that wouldn't read multisession. The next problem was that some audio CD players also struggled with them because, despite the obvious logic being to play what it sees first, some would still see the extra stuff there and either list 0 tracks, or claim there was no disk. This was a big problem for audio CDs that had bonus PC features - so big of problem that they were banned from using the CD Audio logo on any such disks.
It's technically not red book audio anymore. Since a red book CD is so rigidly defined, the electronics could be designed to be very simple. That means CD players are often very dumb devices. If you mess with the specifications and bend the rules, there's no telling what all those dumb players would do. You've pulled the rug out from under them, having said "the disc layout should always look like this..." and then suddenly it doesn't. Same thing for all those DRM techniques. Most of them inserted invalid data into the TOC. Well every now and then a player would read it and get totally confused and fall over. So, no CD Audio logo for those either. While we're on the topic of rigid standards... Technically all tracks are supposed to have two seconds of silence as a pregap (index 00, where the player counts -0:01, -0:00, 0:00, 0:01 ...), but that rule got broken so early that I've never run across a player that couldn't handle a 0-second pregap. And all players I've heard play the audio data in the pregap as well, which I suppose should be optional since it's supposed to be silence. Aside from the obvious purpose of gapless track transitions, the gap thing provided means for all manner of shenanigans. Every now and then I would write a custom TOC and burn a CD-R with maybe several minutes of audio data before 0:00 on track 1. :-) Shenanigans.
I have heard digital noise on the computer before as in PC, but it was a much faster data rate than he showed on the old cd player. It sounded more like White Noise and its WAY louder than normal music. not only wreck your Tweeters but hurt your ears as well.
This sounds like a creepypasta lol Btw, at 3:57, when you stated that the track length was 4m04, it made me think of all the _creepypasta_ stuff and I remembered that in Japan, the number 4 (Written out as 「四」) is seen as an omen of death. The reason was because the symbol, 「四」, can be pronounced as either "yon" or "shi", in which case, "shi" is the same pronounciation as 「死」, which is the word for death. Just thought that was cool! XD
Absolutely beautiful implementation of the Rick Roll. Thank you for blessing me with this. (Now time to go listen to it unironically cuz it's a great song)
Brings back the memories. Back in the day, I put every single one of my pc game cds into my cd player, because some of them had the sound track. Two that come off the top of my head were Command and Conquer: Covert Operations, and Total Annihilation.
@@TexstyleQuest yeh man yuri revenge but I kept modding rules.ini untill it broke game cus of a bloke had ion cannon gun Boris calls in the migs "migs inbound" 😂😂😂
@@bonelesscommunism4031 I like a good pizza hut disc from time to time... I wonder if the joke went over your head tho... pizza = disc It was a fart joke. Chill bro.
It contains more high frequency information than the usual music signal, which causes tweeter overload at a lower than usual sound level. At low volume like in the demo there's no harm in it.
@@mfbfreak By no means an expert but I suspect that's myth. Digital information is inherently bounded. I expect it's possible a manufacturer could write firmware in such a way that unexpected data values can crash, or even damage, the controller.
This is 100% what it was about. There were two issues. Data causing excessive HF driving causing high heat loading of transistors and tweeter capacitors. And data that contains long ultra low frequencies. The data track protection feature checks that the sounds fit a spectrum known not to damage the radio, lets say 30Hz - 25KHz. This protected both the speakers and amplifiers.
I remember these warnings. I also remember what it did to some CD players. But... As I recall, quite a few later model CD players had some kind of protection mechanism that would recognise a data track and either automatically skip it, or not play anything. Older CD players play horrifying screeching noises if you play a data track. Usually that's just unpleasant, but sometimes it can damage the speakers on your audio system.
Interesting. I've definitely experienced the "loud blast of noise" from playing a data disc in an audio player, but apparently I never owned or even _used_ a player new enough to recognize a data track and not just blindly play it. Feels somewhat incredible to be learning about that just now!
I had several CD players that just played silence for data tracks. I do also still have my dad's CD player from the late 80's, and of course it sounds like the video... But it's not going to damage anything unless you turn the volume up to a level that would damage things with regular audio CDs.
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Someone on Patreon has just pointed out to me that this was also mentioned at the end of an Angry Video Game Nerd episode. I honestly had no idea! My apologies for the cross over.
*edit* I revoke my apologies because I've just watched the video in question and he calls the CD32 a piece of sh*t
*awaits torrents of abusive comments from fans of significantly larger UA-camr*
*gives you shit for making me realize I am getting old by the medium of rickrolling*
I watched a handful of AVGN videos, he tends to not actually discuss the content topic but proceeds to spew profanity at any detail he can isolate and focus down on. I've noticed that his "game reviews" tend to never focus on gameplay or analysis of planning or storytelling techniques and almost exclusively criticise readability and graphics with lots of poop-related profanity.
His actual opinions are likely only 2% the reason why people watch his videos, I would guess most people watch them for his rants, quirky skits and exposing obscure game titles.
Hahaha. I am a fan of you and AVGN, but I tend to not take him very seriously. No torrents here... of abuse anyway.
@@voltare2amstereoI'd be happy with this but looking at the comments on the videos it seems that the majority of AVGN's audience doesn't get this and absorbs the opinions expressed on AVGN as good criticism.
I've been told a number of times over the years it's satirical take on game reviews, and the content as a whole feels tired so it clearly appears to me as a satire that's dragged on too long, but I really don't think the majority of its audience even thinks this.
@@Xilefian AVGN is a caricature, you know and shouldn't take anything he says at face value. He is a stereotypical keyboard warrior. That's the POINT of the character, lol. Just watch him to laugh at the basement dwellers who actually get butt-hurt over this stuff. :p
For a second there, I thought some company had been Rickrolling a decade before it was popular.
That's on the time machine to do list.
Man I was really hoping this was happening.... =_=×
@@Cheepshooter14 somebody has just got to do it! They'd be like Rickrolling us people in the future
Same
Those old CDs would be worth millions for their historic value.
My guard was ALL THE WAY DOWN. HOW DARE YOU SIR
Thief it was executed perfectly lol
I feel violated
I rolled my eyes so hard my head hurt. I really was not expecting that..
I know how do you even prepare yourself for that in 2019?
@Stupid Cat curses!
Your parents house is the most "my parents house" looking house I have ever seen.
What a rare insult!
@@SomeUsernameSomeoneElseTookIt insult or compliment?
@u r true
My mum had a similar Solitare game, except it was wooden pegs not marbles
@@sinenomine8101 probably both
When you played Track 1 I thought you were going to hear a message say "OY! WE TOLD YOU NOT TO DO THAT!!"
Sega CD games have some weird scary message that plays when you put them into a CD player lmao
Alicia Pearcy "REMOVE THIS DISC FROM THE CD PLAYER IMMEDIATELY"
Alicia Pearcy the background terrifying hellsounds is the laser reading the grooves snd stuff that would store the information for the game and it just sounds bad
Oi josuke! Remove that disc!
Some PC Engine CD games do basically that.
First class trolling. I thought you had discovered the original Rick Roll.
I haven't told my gf but the moment is he tells me she's pregnant I'm so gonna make fake baby Einstein CDs and Rick roll our baby in utero
@@ksiferr3t554 you are a fucking genius.
Never gonna give you up XD
KSI FERR3T starting off young!
Ok
"Hoo hoooo, that was an easy mistake to make. Let's try that again."
>Rick Astley plays *again*
That’s what I was thinking 😂
"Told ya it's an easy mistake to make"
2021: disable cache or restart your cd player
Hmm, this might blow my speakers out...
Better try this in mom's CD player.
Still, putting floppy disk data on a whole CD ensured preservation for we retro people. Though the 90s was pretty much only last week for me anyway.
lol
He is actually a bad boy 😀
and then keep it like that for a solid minute while im recording nothing
Why you do that?
Getting rickrolled in 2019... I can't believe this
i cant believe youve done this!
It's coming back into fashion!
Yeah, feels nostalgic nowadays. Fitting to the channel tho.
Hopefully not gnomed.
Didn't even see it coming 😃
The fact that he used an actual copy of Never Gonna Give You Up on CD for the rickroll was very impressive.
Even if he didn't, that was the best rickroll I have personally experienced. Truly brilliant
Now I know to have the volume button ready
I found the album on vinyl in a flea market. Best €0.50 I've ever spent. Never gonna give you up is the first track. Just put it in another sleeve and wait.
You saved me from a rickroll, my man.
He has forgotten which cd it was.
The warning is reasonable. Essentially random data will manifest itself as white noise. This noise has an equal amount of power per Hz of bandwidth. The woofer in a speaker has a few hundred Hz of bandwidth. The midrange has a few kHz of bandwidth. The tweeter covers about 15 kHz of bandwidth. That means that this noise disproportionately drives almost all the energy into the tweeter. Most normal music puts most of the energy into the woofer and the least into the tweeter. So, playing this track at medium to loud volume can indeed destroy the tweeter and or the crossover network in the speaker.
This is also the reason why they put low-pass filters on the output of CD players.
The raw output from the DAC will contain frequencies that probably go into the Mhz (see Fourier Analysis of waveforms), and these will fry your speakers (and your amp probably won't like it much either).
Simon O'Leary Then again, many cheap CD players (especially ones you would find in an integrated stereo or boom box from a discount retailer like Walmart) don’t have a good low-pass filter (if it even has one at all).
So they still had to put that warning label on the CD-ROM.
Although it's not random data.
@@mikeymcmikeface5599 Computer code, in binary and interpreted as 16 bit signed values, will look awfully like white noise. White noise has the same amount of energy per Hz of bandwidth. That overloads the tweeter, since it covers over 10 kHz of bandwidth. Regular sound or music has a much higher percentage of energy in the woofer and midrange bands. This is the reason for the warning.
Oh behave.
2019 and we are still being Rickrolled, this has to be inw of the longest running meme's ever.
being rickrolled was being evolved into being gnomed
Kilroy was here and would like to have a word with you.
Wait so im about to be rick rolled OH NO THANKS FOR WARNING ME
@@trubbish9353 Just doing my duty citizen.
Watch the end past all the credits in the new rekt Ralph movie
Imagine if they had actually put Rick Astley on there, that would have been legendary
and copyright infringement lol
Actually. Theres sometimes trolls cds i have seen then. Most of them have MRS 64 and some rickrolls
No.
I don’t even think it was a meme
Duck roll wasn't a thing then, let alone rickroll
Oh my, it's been 10 years... TEN FLIPPIN YEARS!!
and I'm still being rickrolled
At least not gnomed
Ahaha you and family look Rick Astley family .. cheers sir. That should be your family reunions anthem. Family family family, who cares?! We're all family. Im very distant thou :p
I thought it was a recent thing
@@PlumbCarton5607 Nooooooooooo, its like wayyyy old
@@PlumbCarton5607 bruh
**never going to give you up plays**
Me: **checks upload date** not April 1?
It was a cd mistake where he accidentally put a rick astley cd where track 1 is never gonna give you up
@@YoudonknowwhoIam "accidentally"
It's like importing something that's not an audio file into Audacity.
PK SuperStar256 it just screams at you
@@kneesurgerytomorrow had a good laugh, thanks
Well that is exactly what it does
@@olileoli2788, knew it!
@@kneesurgerytomorrow, basically. (Not trying to argue otherwise because it's a joke.)
4:48 the speaker looks thoroughly confused about the sounds coming out of itself.
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r/pareidolia
Thanks, I learned a new word today.
It looks terrified!!!!!
That ASCII art is real cool
That is the first time I've ever been kinda pissed about being Rick Rolled. But bravo sir, you got me in 2019
Me 2
I Kinda still want to watch the video but I kind of don’t
Excuse me what is a rickroll anyway
JordanMatthew Anderson Idk where it started, but at some point in the early 2000's it became a joke to link people to a video that said like "You won't believe what this girl puts where!!" And then it's just "Never gonna give you up," specifically his bizarre choice of spinning his arms in the video... Man, I'm so old I'm explaining outdated internet memes
For a second, I thought Rickrolling was a thing way back in the mid 90's and I had missed it somehow. But it was clearly NN doing the Rickrolling, not the game publisher.
I remember my neighbour putting a 5 1/2" floppy disk out of its sleeve and playing it on a record player to see what it sounded like. As I'm sure you can imagine, it sounded like a needle being dragged.
Ouch
Should cut a hole in the centre and play the floppy disc in a cd player
@@RennieAsh He probably would have, except that CD players didn't exist at that time. Also 5 1/2" floppy disks already had a hole in the centre. Being a magnetic medium a CD player wouldn't find anything to read and would just spit it out.
The mental image of this incident is giving me strong "Austin Powers: Man Of Mystery" vibes....
@@zenkim6709More like the scene from Strange Brew. “One of them new square records eh” 😂
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I remember the stereos with a remote back in 1992 that when you used the remote to turn up the volume, to my delight.... THE FRIGGEN VOLUME KNOB TURNED TOO!!!!! I could not believe my eyes🤯 neither could my dad!
My Pioneer SX 303 R from 1997 does the same thing. The remote for the tuner/amp also worked the matching dual deck cassette player. I still use it.
A number of modern amps have the same....
@@justvaper You could tell the quality of speakers by if the covers came off or not. If the cover was permanently fixed, it was most likely a really cheap speaker.
w h a t
My Sony STR-DE215 from 97 also does it
I just explained the Rickroll meme last night to my son. Then tonight I saw this. We both got a good hearty laugh out of it. Well done.
friend: *hands me the aux cord*
friend: you better not play track one of this game cd on any audio cd player
me:
If it was a PS1 game you would be hearing the anti piracy wobble.
Carter Baker woah making the discs black was racist I think. Jk
@@kregadeth5562 *and placing a label on top of the disc meant we were ashamed of the discs blackness.*
*They'll be expecting a check.*
+Craig Hobbs
It wasn't making the discs black that was racist. It was when you put a black disc in a drive that you expected other discs to work in and you knew a black disc wasn't willing to work that was racist.
@@KnuckleHunkybuck To be honest the black disk portion. Only stopped the disk from playing in very cheap cd/DVD units.. Thete is nothing special about the CD head on the Playstation.
+Carter Baker
Did the black discs at least run faster?
I learned about data tracks the hard way:-
I put an OS/2 installation CD into my Yamaha CD-X1 "Natural Sound" player.
Remember that back then a lot of CDs were AAD and recorded at a lower level, to match other inputs. So I had the volume up higher, and when itbstarted playing I flinched (I never flinch!) so badly I back-handed my coffee mug across the room, leaving a big bruise on my hand.
I also stood up suddenly (a bad move in an old place with low ceilings) and my head hit the ceiling beam. I saw stars for about 5 minutes :-)
Apart from that, no problem!
Oof. Sounds like a painful experience, in multiple ways.
I got rickrolld in 2019. This meme never dies.
Luzifer never gonna give you up
KanGar Never gonna let you down.
David Cortés DaFailboatFan never gonna run around and desert you
KanGar Never gonna make you cry
Clarissa 1986 Never gonna tell a lie and hurt you
Since it said "not to play" those, that's exactly what my friends and I did. We used to called them "the sounds of hell".
Some devs actually put warnings in the actual disk itself as a warning. Most known of this is the Castlevania: Symphony of the Night disk. Where if you put it in a CD player, Alucard just goes "This is a Playstation black disk, it has computer data. Cut Number 1 has cimputer data, so please don't play it. But you probably won't listen to me anyway." then a hidden bonus track starts playing before the data noise starts.
The Rickroll will never get old.
Helium Road tit
Helium Road People said the same about The Duckroll.
I'm never going to give you up!
@@techgeeknzl Never gonna let you down!
*But, but.......................I thought he was Bleck.*
Never gonna give you Zool.
Never gonna blast this fool.
Never gonna turn around and waste you.
Never gonna fall and die,
Never play a CDi,
Never gonna ever buy,
A Wii U.
Sorry...
Rick Ashley!
@@thegreathadoken6808 lol.. :3
Lmao!
@@thegreathadoken6808 Nice one !
you know it's quality content when you get rickrolled by an actual CD.
I was half expecting this to break out into a TechMoan with all that talk of wow, flutter, and replacing tape parts. And then, out of nowhere, Astley.
haha.. yes.. Techmoan do mention wow and flutter regurlarly :)
I was right there with ya until 2:52
LOL so it wasn't just me getting TechMoan vibes in this!
Those wow and flutter
@@CountScarlioni certainly not :).. wow and flutter wow and flutter wow and flutter :)
I always thought the warning was to avoid damaging the audio device
It is. Most Sega cds will annihilate the poor speakers
As pointed out in the video... That is what the warning is for.
Yeah, companies covering their backsides from lawsuits. Just in case any of the contained video game data did happen to translate to a frequency that would tear up music CD players.
It is
can say about rick what you want but he is never:
- gonna give you up
- gonna let you down
- gonna run around and desert you
- gonna make you cry
- gonna say goodbye
- gonna tell a lie and hurt you
the world governments could learn from this
And the people those governments represent. Imagine a world where we worshipped Rick as a god and these were his commandments.
I was hoping for satanic voices calling forth demons from hell... but that static was okay too.
Rs Rt I have the image of JonTron's face to pure static in my head XD
You do not want satanic voices...
What I find amusing is; the software in question supposedly fits on a floppy disc. They had an entire 700MB CDROM to fill; they could have quite easily applied stegonography to encode the data into some music, let's say by Rick Astley, if they wanted to ;-).
@@darylcheshire1618 You really don't. I know from experience.
*No demons but I thought I caught a glimpse of some sort of Bavarian Chinchilla.*
Castlevania symphony of the night had a man with a deep voice saying "this is a PlayStation black disc. Track number one contains game data. Please don't play it in a CD player.... But you probably won't listen to me anyway" followed by a hidden music from the game.
A pretty badass remixed song not in the game proper. =) I'm glad SOMEONE mentioned it =)
Not just ANY deep voice. I believe that was the voice of Alucard.
You know you're a nostalgia nerd when you're still rick rolling people.
Yanno, I asked a coworker about 10years younger than me...had no clue about rick rolling. I felt so old lol
Is it really outdated though? I still see it happen on the regular, though admittedly, it's not nearly to the frequency it once was.
It came back around 8 months ago, around the time "get stickbugged" was popular. Its not dead..just resting.
@candyman Tbh, I think it's too repetitive
Is anybody else disappointed that the track wasn't a spell to summon Cthulhu?
You have to play it backwards for that.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.
Oh, but it was...
oh no, it is, but only the ancient ones can understand it
It a digital version of the neconomicon
I bursted out laughing when Rick Astley started playing 😂
same
@@firenado4295 ^
Me too. That was a great joke. He sure got me! 😂
Never will forget when I learned you could play soundtracks from many original Playstation games on your CD player...
Surprised I didnt burn up my Twisted Metal discs just listening to the music
Yes! I absolutely loved that feature!
My did the same with his _Test Drive: Off-Road_ disc for PC, listening to the Gravity Kills songs from its soundtrack.
Rick rolling? Even your memes induce nostalgia. Thought when you slowed playback down it was gonna be another rick roll!
Nostalgia implies something is from a previous generation or at least when you were young if you're at least mid-life.
you do know that you will get a call from your parents in two to 2000 weeks: " you broke our stereo!- It has been fine before and than you did your youtube thing and now we can't hear......"
Haha..
If they are like my parents, CDs are too modern and untrustworthy. My dad complains the hard drive in his computer gets stuck and physically shakes it if something doesn't load properly.
@@paulgascoigne5343 Tell him he's got to take off the cover, remove the HD and blow into the prongs.
@@paulgascoigne5343
What if you were put an SSD into his machine? lol
I've played cd-roms in my old stereos before, it never ruined them.
@James Fondren I'd give him an ssd if I were you
The sound from that CD really freaked out my droid.
My astromech told me that the CD went on a tirade of some very offensive things
Man the days when you could just pop in a game CD and listen to music takes me back. I listened to Quake II's soundtrack on repeat when I was 12.
this remind me when i was a little kid and discovered that my beloved GTA 1 Playstation CD could play the radio stations in my stereo, at first i was scared (track 1) but afterwards was very cool, a rollercoaster of emotions
Well the Quake soundtrack was a Nine Inch Nails CD, No wonder you were rocking it out. You could also pop in another audio CD and it would play those tracks also example Motorhead.
Same here with the original Rayman
@@dicthorian Quake 2 was a DJ called Sonic Mayhem but yea, when I was developing actual musical tastes that game was a foundation, ha.
@@HotRodHippie OH CRAP Quake2, sorry.
Damnit read comments and got it spoiled for me I feel strangely betrayed
I still thought Rick was on the video and was like these game developers saw the future
Serves you right. no one looks i the comments first unless they want a spoiler
watch the whole video before you read the comments
I remember doing this with the GTA1 CD-ROM. First track was data. The other tracks are the radio stations.
I liked for GTA London on PS1 (not sure if it worked for GTA 1 & 2) how you could remove the game disc once the level was loaded and stick in a regular CD, a different track would play each time you hopped into a vehicle.
@@gregmiller7224 I remember doing this with Twisted Metal 2, but the tracks didn't auto-change like that, that's really cool. I think many (most?) PSX games worked that way, where you could pop out the disc and put in an audio CD to soundtrack your game instead
This dude just rickrolled the entire internet at once. Well done, sir.
Chris Storer
Not really because all of you dumbasses in the comment section spoiled the joke
@@MrShanester117 comments are generally used to comment on the video. Reading them will put you at risk of spoiling. You should know this by now ..
LappyTyde
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@@MrShanester117 what are you twelve lol
800k views is not the entire internet you obese nerd
Very trusting parents allowing you to experiment on their aged stereo. My dad's still not really forgiven me for typing random numbers into his TVPlus remote control to see what it would do.
2:45 we were rick rolled
2:40 - We all fell for it!
PS: Turn the treble up a bit on your boombox.
I think it is a dirty head ;-)
I remember putting shenmue into a cd player and all i got was chai screaming at me. It was terrifiying
Dio Brando so not that different from the game really
It is a warning to tell you to stop. Because it WILL explode your speakers if you play track 1
thanks Dio
Was I the only one who suspected we were going to be rickrolled a second time at 9:04 ?
Just wait 50 seconds
neou
same here
Me: *anxiously lowers volume*
Video:NEVER GONNA GIVE YOU UP-
Me:...
Well that was unexpected.
that was also me
me too, because my dad told me about a cassette tape called a demagnetizer, he said that I should turn down the volume to 0 when I use it or the speakers will blow up, so i thought it's like this too
Me: This is going to sound so terrible, I have to watch it & hear that noise again... Me 3 min later: Damn it, after over a decade I'd never been Rick-Rolled, thought I was finally in the clear...
--P.S. it's an interesting coincidence that the track length was 404 in the old cd player too, I had assumed it was going to be an Easter Egg of sorts by whatever developer programmed that noise protection feature into the newer model player..
I used to do this as a kid for shits and giggles. Interestingly if the data contains 16-bit uncompressed audio, it will play it (albeit surrounded by noise before and after and possibly the wrong speed). I figured this out when I popped in an encyclopedia CD-ROM. :P
I would put playstation 1 discs in my CD player, many of them you could actually play the games whole soundtrack. I thought it was cool
A Red Book compliant CD-DA player will start playing audio at Track 01, Index 01. So CDs that had data and Red Book audio would/should put the data at Track 01, Index 00. The problem we ("we" being Philips) discovered was that many (most?) CD-DA players were not exactly Red Book compliant. Later, this got solved by multi-session CDs. Legacy CD-DA players wouldn't find any session but the first one, so anything that wasn't Red Book audio would be on the second session.
Interestingly, CD-DA players eventually seem to have abandoned Indices for whatever reason. I guess having 99 tracks provided enough address space for users to reach the bits of audio they were looking for. It's still part of the spec, though.
Cheeky we all got rick rolled i like it
I feel like its 2008 again.
@Monty Python the Flying Circus the rickroll meme came about in 2007-2008
@Monty Python the Flying Circus This;
ua-cam.com/video/6yzeK4c9Y5g/v-deo.html
That is all.
"Here's a song that was written by a gay guy!"
Nice Rickroll...and a clever way of showing that the CD player functions properly!
I love that the metal mesh over the speaker has an obligatory impossible to fix dent in it, mine had one of those too.
Dreamcast games have a warning message that plays in cd players when you try to play them.
*WARNING TO ALL SONIC FANS: In the year 2006, we expect the WORST Sonic game, so please DON'T buy it!! And about Nintendo, Sonic will be ported there and --*
Me: Why'd I even put my Seamen disc in there? Welp, might as well play it.
@@goompo lolwhat
Those aren't CDs technically though, they're GDs, which are proprietary disks specially for the Dreamcast
Grayson Tartt No the worst Sonic game came out in 2014, Sonic Boom rise of lyric. 06 never caused my 360 to freeze but Rise of Lyric made my Wii U freeze.
Same with Sega CD games.
I really liked to have lived with the idea they did the very first rickroll..
Nice joke
Stereo: oh noise. no thanks
Grundig: why bother? I play music I don't compress
I had a problem the other way around. I had a child school game for PC and it encouraged you to put it in the Stereo to play the games soundtrack, but my mother forbid it because she was scared that it would break the stereo. That's now well over 20 years ago. I wonder if I still find this CD xD
Early CDs that mixed data and audio played "noise" in track 1 (the data track) and the music in tracks from 2 onwards, but later CDs used a "multi-session" system so audio players could only see the audio tracks, and even track 1 contained music as well. That CD was probably the latter type and thus, completely safe to play in an audio system, especially given that it was a children's game CD.
I remember when I discovered that the Railroad Tycoon cd could be played in an audio cd player. The first track was the game data but the rest were the music from the game!
Same with Frogger
The sound track to Red Alert had This awesome military style music from the game soundtrack
@Gernot Schrader it likely wasn't mp3, but rather cda?
It was commonplace for many games.
Your disc player may have a built in protection against playing data as an audio frequency. I had a copy of red alert counterstrike that I accidentally played the data track once and it sounded quite similar to a 56K modem or fax machine busy line. That's what is supposed to play on older devices. Though some discs, much like red alert counterstrike had bonus audio tracks too.
I still remember putting the Total Annihilation disc into my PC only to find my drive read it as an audio CD, allowing me to take the whole uncompressed soundtrack from the disc.... I love that game.
I actually bought it on GOG just because it included the soundtrack and I was too lazy to dig out the disc
I hope you are not aware that the Symbol you use on your Profile Pick is pretty much THE Neonazi Symbol of modern times and probably brought to life by the SS itself....
@@albonymus1682 I wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt. There is not a chance in hell that they aren't aware. It isn't 'pretty much' a Nazi symbol, it literally is a Nazi symbol. It was created specifically for and by Nazis, and later adopted by Nazi occultists. There is not a single logical reason for anyone other than a Nazi to use it. This person is a Nazi.
That place in time when you went to the PC store and bought a game in a box that had more than just a CD or floppy.
Noise artists:
*i t s f r e e r e a l e s t a t e*
This reminds me of when i was a small kid and got an XMen mini-CD in a happy meal. Didn't say whether it's for PC or Audio. I naturally put it in my portable cd player, which happened to be turned up.
I cried for a good fifteen minutes, and my ears rung the first two.
I got rickrolled in 2019, lmao
Years have passed since I've been properly Rick Rolled like that...
404, how ironic.
Coincidental*
not ironic.
These old stereos where amazing, i remember that i got my grandparents stereo after they passed away, it had a microphone jack and an actual EQ on it, by buying the Boss HM-2 and a big jack to small jack connector i had my first death metal guitar amp lol.
ngl the rick roll unironically is one of the best songs ive ever heard
What about the song @2:40?
There is no PCM audio, only Zool 2.
James Stewart I was just going to say this!
Are you the CD Master?
Well it's the game keeper
I enjoy both... Nerds. But I am wondering if you already had the Rick Astley CD, or went out and bought it specifically for this video?
Maybe his parents had that in their CD rack
I've shit myself
Yeah..."bought"...
if you add in the pink electro cassette and the care bears shirt, your getting a glimpse into a lifestyle, not a bit for a youtube video
It's actually a really good video. CD-ROM could fit data, audio and video on the same disc (.EXE .WAV .AVI/MPEG). I was thinking you were going to point out the difference in sound, if any, putting it into an audio device without a PC and we would hear modem noises (I used to do this to wake my housemates up when they drink too much too early).
I didn't know CD players actually implemented tech that could read the data as a sound (backwards as that sends written it makes sense to me as I'm drunk).
Thank you for that and I did thumbsup the comment just below thinking it was the first Rickroll as well. Also the Rick Astley song used is only 3:35 so I want wiping when I watched you put the right disc in for a 4:04 (editing is the new God).
Good job Tim (errr I meant Eric sorry I meant Nerd). Peace!
Best Rickroll I've yet encountered haha
Anyway... considering that Audio CDs have a sector size of 2352 bytes, whereas a data CD have sector size of 2048 bytes, it's surprising that it would even play on the audio CD player.
You have absolutely no idea how happy you made me with that Rickroll, thank you
Parents a blessing in disguise. Cherrish them bud.
The two reasons are:
1. Unpleasantly loud noise, since it would be at 100% in the days before all CDs were recorded at the 100% wall
2. High frequency content could possibly damage tweeters, as they are often rated rather lower than the woofer
For mixed mode CD, the later solution was enhanced CD, when later CD-ROM drives supported multisession. Since old CD players didn't understand multisession, they played audio tracks from the first session which was all they knew about … the same would result from very old PC CD-ROM drives of the 1x/2x era. The data track was in the second session
I wonder why that latter solution was used so rarely. Did they not trust that it would always work?
Multisession CDs didn't read in some early CDROM drives. Our Creative 2x CD drive didn't like them. I ran across some up to about the 8X era that wouldn't read multisession.
The next problem was that some audio CD players also struggled with them because, despite the obvious logic being to play what it sees first, some would still see the extra stuff there and either list 0 tracks, or claim there was no disk. This was a big problem for audio CDs that had bonus PC features - so big of problem that they were banned from using the CD Audio logo on any such disks.
It's technically not red book audio anymore. Since a red book CD is so rigidly defined, the electronics could be designed to be very simple. That means CD players are often very dumb devices. If you mess with the specifications and bend the rules, there's no telling what all those dumb players would do. You've pulled the rug out from under them, having said "the disc layout should always look like this..." and then suddenly it doesn't.
Same thing for all those DRM techniques. Most of them inserted invalid data into the TOC. Well every now and then a player would read it and get totally confused and fall over. So, no CD Audio logo for those either.
While we're on the topic of rigid standards... Technically all tracks are supposed to have two seconds of silence as a pregap (index 00, where the player counts -0:01, -0:00, 0:00, 0:01 ...), but that rule got broken so early that I've never run across a player that couldn't handle a 0-second pregap. And all players I've heard play the audio data in the pregap as well, which I suppose should be optional since it's supposed to be silence. Aside from the obvious purpose of gapless track transitions, the gap thing provided means for all manner of shenanigans. Every now and then I would write a custom TOC and burn a CD-R with maybe several minutes of audio data before 0:00 on track 1. :-) Shenanigans.
I have heard digital noise on the computer before as in PC, but it was a much faster data rate than he showed on the old cd player. It sounded more like White Noise and its WAY louder than normal music. not only wreck your Tweeters but hurt your ears as well.
"High frequency content could possibly damage tweeters"
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Don't want Donald Trump to get damaged.
Me: pass the aux cord
My friend: you better not play trash.
Me: 4:45
This sounds like a creepypasta lol
Btw, at 3:57, when you stated that the track length was 4m04, it made me think of all the _creepypasta_ stuff and I remembered that in Japan, the number 4 (Written out as 「四」) is seen as an omen of death. The reason was because the symbol, 「四」, can be pronounced as either "yon" or "shi", in which case, "shi" is the same pronounciation as 「死」, which is the word for death.
Just thought that was cool! XD
Absolutely beautiful implementation of the Rick Roll. Thank you for blessing me with this. (Now time to go listen to it unironically cuz it's a great song)
Ummm, 90s portable stereo with 'bass expander', glorious! 👍
Anyone else keep getting this recommended every so often and then watching it again just because?
2:40 | Is it April Fools Day already?
Brings back the memories. Back in the day, I put every single one of my pc game cds into my cd player, because some of them had the sound track. Two that come off the top of my head were Command and Conquer: Covert Operations, and Total Annihilation.
Oh fuck yeh total annihilation and kingdoms lol
Oh CNC was the greatest fucking thing
@@TexstyleQuest yeh man yuri revenge but I kept modding rules.ini untill it broke game cus of a bloke had ion cannon gun
Boris calls in the migs
"migs inbound" 😂😂😂
I was full on waiting for the white noise (I saw the AVGN video where he showed this off)
Props to you for catching me off guard
Me: _Just Rickrolled someone_
Also me: *Get’s rickrolled* “Wait. that’s illegal.”
Memes from a decade apart.
I'd always wondered what an AVGN and Techmoan crossover would be like lol
I got Rickrolled so hard. For a moment I genuinely thought they were some sort of time travelers and decided to pull a prank on us.
The pizza hut demo disc played a ton of horrible noises lol
Depending on what toppings go onto a pizza hut disc, you might also make terrible noises when one of their discs is inserted into you.
richfiles Bro chill
@@bonelesscommunism4031 I like a good pizza hut disc from time to time... I wonder if the joke went over your head tho...
pizza = disc
It was a fart joke. Chill bro.
richfiles nah fam I get the joke it’s just you need to chill
@@bonelesscommunism4031 no u
Haha got em
Deez nutz
In hungary, a traditional name is Sándor. It is often shortened to Sanyi, or to a more playful Sanyó. I just wanted to leave that here.
Ssanyó is "piss" in Russian.
I always thought it's ****job. Gotta be the way it sounds :)
I'm not sure Sanyo Clegane has a ring to it..
1:30 WOW! That was the first CD player I ever had. I got it for Christmas early-ish 90's.
Technology connections prepared me well for this
Apparently, at high volumes it can cause speaker damage.
Rick Astley?
@@paulgascoigne5343 Him too
It contains more high frequency information than the usual music signal, which causes tweeter overload at a lower than usual sound level. At low volume like in the demo there's no harm in it.
@@mfbfreak By no means an expert but I suspect that's myth. Digital information is inherently bounded. I expect it's possible a manufacturer could write firmware in such a way that unexpected data values can crash, or even damage, the controller.
This is 100% what it was about.
There were two issues. Data causing excessive HF driving causing high heat loading of transistors and tweeter capacitors.
And data that contains long ultra low frequencies.
The data track protection feature checks that the sounds fit a spectrum known not to damage the radio, lets say 30Hz - 25KHz.
This protected both the speakers and amplifiers.
I.. I can’t believe I just got rickrolled in a “science” video
I remember these warnings. I also remember what it did to some CD players.
But... As I recall, quite a few later model CD players had some kind of protection mechanism that would recognise a data track and either automatically skip it, or not play anything.
Older CD players play horrifying screeching noises if you play a data track.
Usually that's just unpleasant, but sometimes it can damage the speakers on your audio system.
Interesting. I've definitely experienced the "loud blast of noise" from playing a data disc in an audio player, but apparently I never owned or even _used_ a player new enough to recognize a data track and not just blindly play it. Feels somewhat incredible to be learning about that just now!
@kuralthys
that is exactly what he shows in this video ( and also explains why it varies ) lol.
As you recall from the video you just watched 2 seconds ago
I had several CD players that just played silence for data tracks.
I do also still have my dad's CD player from the late 80's, and of course it sounds like the video...
But it's not going to damage anything unless you turn the volume up to a level that would damage things with regular audio CDs.
I had a CD player that would say "err" and eject the CD if I didn't skip data tracks quick enough.
May Rick Rolling never die
Nice RR! You actually had my WTF-o-meter going off for a few milliseconds...
ah yes, the 'rick roll'.
zool's version of the 'screw attack'!
:-))