Nice burst damage, her s3 was similar to SA s3 but arts. We can actually saw what they excel in with withered knight duo. SA kill the bow guy first while quibai kill the hammer guy first.
@@peroasting_amatirThats a bad analogy but on all circumstances that favor the specific units SA is just better He is much better as a helidrop as Qui bai sucks without external slow source and her damage ramp up without multiple enemies is just horrible And when you let her stay on the field she is essentially worthless for 55 seconds wich is HURTFUL for your team overall She waits so long to do basically nothing and has no synergies unlike SA wich has alot
@@mystdreamy739 Qui bai isnt designed to synergize with showers she is outright ONLY usable with slowers SA reduces CDs so he synergizes with every helidrop unit in the game and guess what? The entire game meta revolves around helidrop units SA s3 works better alone and doesnt have the backload issues quibai has
@@MemoryDestiny what you mean "any slow" saria couldn't do that bruh and most of "slow" isn't actually "slow" mostima,manticore etc isn't considered "slow" but rather "reduce movement speed"
Sp cost diff, I guess. Actually it`s just what makes it weird about Qiubai. Her S3 SP cost is lower than SA S3, but at the same time, it costs a lot for this unit to be a laneholder, leaving her in the middle of SA and Thorns.
@@kyarumomochi5146 she aint as bad as people claim her to be, really. It's almost exaggerated imo. Shes still less plain dps than Thorns and more usable than Silverash's s3 in terms of my playstyle I got her not for laneholding and for helidrop but she aint that bad as a helidrop either
@@galeria_m 1) She sucks as a helidrop because she needs enemies to be slowed tk actually deal damage and her slow ramp up makes her terrible on helidropping 2) Thorns is a completely different unit lmao but he outperforms Qui bai to oblivion as atleast he can do his niche 3) "iTS ExageAtEd She Jsnf ThAt bAd" yeah CN sources and multidude of tierlists vs a waifu protector lmao Her cyling sucks her damage is shit without a slower so she litterally NEEDS other operators to work and even on those conditions she needs to ramp up her aspd fast enough to actually deal surtr levels of damage (mind you this is with a buffer) SA provides invis reveal and CD reduction so you can easily redeploy him Thorns can stay on the field as a lane holder What about qui bai? Nothing about her kit gives any utility to the team other than 20% chance to bind wich is like nothing and she will do nothing to the team for FIFTY seconds wich at that point an helidrop unit is almost ready anyway Her entire kit falls apart and her only true "good" skill is her s2 wich has no comparisons with other lords and actually compares more with guard chen s2 wich spoiler alert she is basically the same Dont turn off you brain and forget optimal solutions and numbers exist buddy meta is called meta for a reason Qui bai is titled the most skippable character of all time for a reason too :)
@@galeria_m Also playstyle? Ur playstyle is waiting 50 seconds or something? Unless you are doing nicheknights "play style" is a weirdass argument lmao Every character in this game is played more or less the same some just redeploy more and some just deal damage or support Wtf u mean by playstyle?
QiuBai S3 is Arts Damage while Silverash S3 is Physical Damage. That's the reason why Silverash can kill Mephisto faster than QiuBai. Then for the Duo Sarkaz, QiuBai kill the Hammer Guy faster than Silverash because the Hammer guy has lower RES than Archer Guy. I can say they're equal. Also, we can't compare QiuBai with Arene due to their rarity.
1 year later, I think it is safe to say that Quibai has aged a little better than SA in the meta. Her module is quite strong, and more importantly, there are just currently more ways to buff arts damage than there is to buff physical. Resistance shred often has a much more impactful effect on dps than defense shred, due to the non-linear nature of resistance. Going from 90 res to 70 res is a 3x damage multiplier, and going from 70 res to 40 res is a 2x multiplier. So Quibai looks much worse in these showcases without res shred, but her damage goes up more than SA with shamare when given support in the form of ifrit or texalt S2. There is also just more things which buff arts, like Saria S3, reed alt S3, logos talent. Enemy def has also slowly been powercreeping throughout the last year, with 3k+ def elites showing up more or less in every event. There is no way to powercreep resistance on enemies since it is a flat number from 0-100, which we can reduce via logos/texalt/ifrit, but if def keeps going up, even shamare starts not being enough to justify SA. Also mylnar lol.
Oh yeah, both SA and qiubai damage can kill bosses even if they need buff/debuff. But im sure for SA i will always helidrop him and qiubai for holding lane. With that medium SP qiubai can hold some enemys while charging SP. Just a reminder if you read a comment that say something like "why comparing A operator and B operator", better skip that comment "IF" you have limited resources. They're a whale who pull every operator, and then m3 every skill and module 3. They cant understand why people with limited resources need a priority. Ofcourse every operator have a worth, but Some people have limited resources so they have a priority (either meta/waifu/something).
Qiubai is the worst of the 3 6-star lord guards. Even Lapland is more useful than her. Lapland's silence is still very useful in some stages. Bind can be substituted by other crowd-control options like freezing, stun, sluggish and slow.
From the vid, she's basically on par with Silver Ash then? More or less so, depending on enemies' DEF and RES. At first I thought it's sorta underwhelming since she has lower range and less target count but then I remember her skill costs 40 SP less than Silver Ash. Which makes it fair I guess..
The SP cost difference is probably not too important for SA since he is usually heli-dropped and redeployed rather than kept in the field to recharge s3.
Yeah. Remove suzuran s3 and her damage becomes jack shit Also remove multiple enemies and her dps becomes jack shit She sucks just because she does good in a youtube showcase doesnt mean she actually is
So, if its about helidrop damage - basically SilverAsh is stronger in terms of AoE, and QuiBai beat him in SingleTarget dmg. And Mlynar beat them both 😅
@@irsyad226well, here they are used like helidrop units - "How much dmg they can deal while their skills is active" Thorns is also Lord, but can't really be compared cuz his skill is infinite duration.
>> Silver killed Mephisto, Patriot and an Archer faster >> Qiubai killed only a hammer guy faster because armour and Suzu buffs her much better >> Qiubai beats Silver in single target
Her damage isnt even good to begin with This showcase is like MADE for qui bai Remove suzuran and multiple enemies and her damage sucks Also SAs best buffer is not suzuran at all
SA S3 has much bigger range, allowing positions QB does not. He also 1) reveals invisible, 2) gives all units faster redeploy. That means SA has 2 talents with extra utility, while QB has 2 talents that do very little, outside incredibly low-chance bind.
This showcase is like the only place qui bai is actually decent at Her damage needs multiple targets to stack up aspd And she NEEDS a slower to actually deal damage all for terrible cycling Her S3 is hilariously bad and her main skill is litterally S2 wich has nothing to do with SA at all
@@Sairento-kun"quite easily" 20% chance The showcase here litterally doesnt even help SA at all as suzuran hardly buffs SAs damage Use shamare in the same situation and see just how bad qui bai is Her damage needs to ramp up before actually dealing okayish damage wich asks for stars to allign She needs suzuran she needs multiple enemies and she needs to stay in the field wich she does NOTHING for 55 seconds mind i remind you She sucks horribly lmao
Just because it's on "Lords" doesn't mean that we need to compare it We all know for Silverash is have to compare with "Liberators" (Milnar & Tequila) so for anyone that wants to know This is just wrong
That's assuming there's a module. Lol nothing in sight yet. Also, SA, Thorns, and Lappland would probably do great too. Hopefully. So it shouldn't make a huge difference if they'll all get something
@@slonik0002 Okay, I did some basic number crunching. Here's some quick facts. She hits 43 times during her S3M3. Using 20% chance, that means she'll bind something every 5 hits. And each bind lasts 1.5 seconds. She'll get to hit 15 times where they will proc her 40% talent. I don't know if her talent's bonus damage is before or after her S3 buff. I'm guessing it's after. If it's before, it's only 9% extra total damage. If it's after, it's 14% extra total damage. And if we look at Qiubai with Suzuran slowing the enemies for her whole skill duration, Qiubai's talent will deal either 26% or 40% more total damage. If we look at past modules, we can see they usually only buff talents by like 5-15%. If we assume Qiubai's talent gets buffed to 33%. That means she'll bind every 3 attacks or 25/43 attacks will proc her talent. That's 66% more procs. But if you convert and compare to total damage... 9% > 15% = 6% increase in total damage 14% > 23% = 9% increase in total damage I won't know what module the other lords get, but if they also get some standard 5-15% attack buff, it'll probably equate to 6-9% increase in total damage or something (to a single target). You'll need Qiubai's talent get a massive buff to "heavily" increase her total damage. Well, that's just my guess. =P
You're forgetting that unlike Silver Ash, Qiubai doesn't care if it's Suzuran OR Saria providing the slow and damage increase. Since Saria increases arts damage while Suzuran increases both physical and arts damage. I mean it's not game changing but does give her a bit more flexibility and could matter in the rare stage where a melee tile is more effective for placement then a ranged tile. Even though I say that they're rare we see these stages a lot where the ranged tiles are placed very awkwardly.
@@ian59 Except Qiubai does care, since only Suzuran provides the Sluggish effect that Qiubai's talent needs. Saria simply offers a movement speed reduction, which is a different effect and doesn't work with Qiubai.
@@icefiret_ysh 좀더 넓게 보면 애초에 가챠 미래시가 빡빡한게 제일 클듯. 특토 자체는 뿌리는거 포함하면 사실상 100뽑 안으로는 확정이라 먹는 난이도가 낮은 편인데 그 이후에 미래시가 너무 빡빡함. 특토 이후로 힐이야까지 걸러가도 될만한 오퍼가 오올헤약이랑 이그제큐터 이격 정도인데 오올헤약 뽑은 뮤엘시스 인질로 잡혀서 결국 하긴 해야되고 이그제큐터 이격도 이번 모듈 나름 잘받아서 메리트 있긴 하니까 쉴 구간이 별로 없음. 그리고 구백 자체가 아군 지원을 받아야 고점을 뽑아낼 수 있는데 그 고점이 지금 구백이 설 수 있는 포지션 중에서 특출나게 높은 편이 아니고 그정도 고점을 단독으로도 뽑아낼 수 있는 캐릭터들이 있는 부분이 한계인듯.
Qiubai fits a weird role. She has her own niche but that niche is not really needed. SA or Mlynar will simply do a better job if you want them to be boss killers. Their physical attacks are really high so that they can usually overcome and don't care about arts or not. Qiubai is like a step back from boss killers, or huge waves of elite killers. Her standard lane holding capabilities are decent since she does CC when the other two don't. And her recharge time is pretty fast in comparison to SA. But the ultimate question is whether she's worth building if you have SA that kind of overlaps on her role. Or Mlynar + someone else
@@hartoramasenju4012 She can what? Do you even know what lane holding means?? Where is her sustainability? Where is her good cycling skills? Litterally NOTHING about her kit has anything to do with lane holding Her s3 is hilarious to give an example of as it takes 50 SECONDS to charge if we assume thats a lane holding skill then i guess Litterally all guards can be considered laneholders by that definition If anything only "lane holding" thing about her is her s2 wich in no world can properly lane hold because SHE HAS NO SUSTAIN The DEFINITION of laneholders is that they can HOLD a lane with no help at all or can sustain themselves By your definition every melee unit in this game are lane holders lmao
@@kyarumomochi5146 yes I know, and I clearly said she isn't the best at it, your point? Also about self-sustain, medic is created for a reason, not everybody need to be Mudrock level
@@hartoramasenju4012 At that point its litterally not lane holding Did you even read like 3 words from what i said mate? Do you even understand what a lane holder is and why people use that term? God its extra annoying when people legitimately cant bother to read a sentence lamo
Sadly, both of them are solidly below Horse Uncle. So... if you have Horse Uncle, QiuBai is one of the easiest skips out of the up coming "standard operators"
they're not exactly the same archetype, but true, when it comes to laneholding there are other better options and for damage, mlynar is just too overpowered.
@@raine7428 and at the end of the day you'd be using them for the same things, aka nuking stuff with their S3 and out of the 3, Horse Uncle just stands way above the two in terms of performance against everything be it single target, aoe and aerial. Also different archetype but all 3 are still Guards.
@@justinrazon7200 guess so, the sudden release of the other archetypes made things complicated XD don't mind me, I'm just trying to tell myself to not regret skipping qiubai for yalter ;-;
@@raine7428 Oh trust me if I can afford to not skip Qiubai I would still pull for her. It's just that we're jam packed with limiteds to save for and as f2p, most people won't have enough savings to keep on pulling on all the standard operators. She's still pretty good overall, the only problem is she has pretty tough competition as most people most likely pulled for Horse Uncle.
@@justinrazon7200 fr man, i actually want her along with stainless because of a vid i saw in yt, but sadly as of late, most limited operators are meta ops. Back then, not getting nian, w, rosmontis, etc is ok but ever since skadi alter, alot of limited operators are a must have. Guess we'll just have to rely on offpity pulls to get them
I see no reason for pulling for her TBH. SlverDaddy will always be better. And since I have Młynar, it's no point for me to waste pulls especially with a collab around the corner.
Idk men still skipping her banner i already have too many good guards to fulfill the slot. And she is not welcome anymore maybe i can borrow support unit and that's it
억빠하는 사람들 말 거르고 말하자면 구린건 진짜 아닌데 유틸있는 똥캐랑 동급 취급이 애매한 딜러... 딱 파죰카 다음에 슈바르츠 출시했다면 이런 분위기가 아닐까 싶음 조건부 속박이 그렇게까지 매력적이라고 보기 어렵구... 지금 라인업들 어떻게든 따라가보겠다고 힐리드도 거른 사람들도 있던데 구백은 거론할 필요도 없는 ㅋㅋㅋ
SilverAsh is still a meta, Qiubai is not. SA performs very well in his niche (helidrop, invisible reveal, mob sweeping and redeployment decrease buff for all units). Qiubai is just totally meh.
Benchmarking permanent physical ranged damage, proving that Chongyue is not a boss killer like many assumed despite the s3 scaling, comparing arts and physical dps. Tbh only this one sounds weird to me. Maybe some noobs wanted to know? :shrug:
Qui bai has terrible cycling and terrible burst damage that is extremely gated by a secondary slow/bind effect so she litterally cant function without supports Her s3 range increase is no where as useful as SAs as well They really didnt even think when making her kit and solely focused on making her a 6 star frostleaf Her s2 is her best skill by a HUGE marging and that skill has nothing to compete with any of the Lords in the game Qui bai acts more like a Swordmaster than a Lord tbh especially her s2
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mlynar: look at these kids...
Most underrated comment ever😂😂😂😂❤
Man, I feel bad about Młynar, This man have been throw so much things happens in hes life , That ended up make him this strong.
@@Humanentity3888 The most dangerous decision requires the strongest Will
Being thrown on the battlefield with a newspaper
@@trendmadegamer8725 haha, I love it, And it actually true 😂
@@Humanentity3888 The Saitama if Arknights.
Nice burst damage, her s3 was similar to SA s3 but arts. We can actually saw what they excel in with withered knight duo. SA kill the bow guy first while quibai kill the hammer guy first.
Qu bai sucks at helidrop and initial burst damage wich is why she sucks hard
If there is 5 bosses, SA is much better
@@peroasting_amatirThats a bad analogy but on all circumstances that favor the specific units SA is just better
He is much better as a helidrop as Qui bai sucks without external slow source and her damage ramp up without multiple enemies is just horrible
And when you let her stay on the field she is essentially worthless for 55 seconds wich is HURTFUL for your team overall
She waits so long to do basically nothing and has no synergies unlike SA wich has alot
@@kyarumomochi5146 her whole kit is designed around synergizing with other operators with binds or slows. how does sa have more synergy.
@@mystdreamy739 Qui bai isnt designed to synergize with showers she is outright ONLY usable with slowers
SA reduces CDs so he synergizes with every helidrop unit in the game and guess what? The entire game meta revolves around helidrop units
SA s3 works better alone and doesnt have the backload issues quibai has
i love this showcase. first time seeing this kind of showcase. short, straightforward, and with comparison with similar kits from other operators.
Keep in mind that suzuran id necessary to have big number on QB meanwhile SA alone can deal maximum damage
Any slow works, Suzuran is preferred cuz you also get debuff, but any slow makes her dmg already very high
@@MemoryDestiny what you mean "any slow" saria couldn't do that bruh and most of "slow" isn't actually "slow" mostima,manticore etc isn't considered "slow" but rather "reduce movement speed"
Hear me out: this didn't factor in the fact Quibai can crush Mudrock's golem with her bare thighs
It's not only mudrock's golem she can crush with her thighs 😋
Sp cost diff, I guess. Actually it`s just what makes it weird about Qiubai. Her S3 SP cost is lower than SA S3, but at the same time, it costs a lot for this unit to be a laneholder, leaving her in the middle of SA and Thorns.
that state of hers is the reason im getting her
@@galeria_mThe state of being shit on both lane holding and being a helidrop dps?
@@kyarumomochi5146 she aint as bad as people claim her to be, really. It's almost exaggerated imo.
Shes still less plain dps than Thorns and more usable than Silverash's s3 in terms of my playstyle
I got her not for laneholding and for helidrop but she aint that bad as a helidrop either
@@galeria_m 1) She sucks as a helidrop because she needs enemies to be slowed tk actually deal damage and her slow ramp up makes her terrible on helidropping
2) Thorns is a completely different unit lmao but he outperforms Qui bai to oblivion as atleast he can do his niche
3) "iTS ExageAtEd She Jsnf ThAt bAd" yeah CN sources and multidude of tierlists vs a waifu protector lmao
Her cyling sucks her damage is shit without a slower so she litterally NEEDS other operators to work and even on those conditions she needs to ramp up her aspd fast enough to actually deal surtr levels of damage (mind you this is with a buffer)
SA provides invis reveal and CD reduction so you can easily redeploy him
Thorns can stay on the field as a lane holder
What about qui bai? Nothing about her kit gives any utility to the team other than 20% chance to bind wich is like nothing
and she will do nothing to the team for FIFTY seconds wich at that point an helidrop unit is almost ready anyway
Her entire kit falls apart and her only true "good" skill is her s2 wich has no comparisons with other lords and actually compares more with guard chen s2 wich spoiler alert she is basically the same
Dont turn off you brain and forget optimal solutions and numbers exist buddy meta is called meta for a reason
Qui bai is titled the most skippable character of all time for a reason too :)
@@galeria_m Also playstyle?
Ur playstyle is waiting 50 seconds or something? Unless you are doing nicheknights "play style" is a weirdass argument lmao
Every character in this game is played more or less the same some just redeploy more and some just deal damage or support
Wtf u mean by playstyle?
QiuBai S3 is Arts Damage while Silverash S3 is Physical Damage. That's the reason why Silverash can kill Mephisto faster than QiuBai. Then for the Duo Sarkaz, QiuBai kill the Hammer Guy faster than Silverash because the Hammer guy has lower RES than Archer Guy.
I can say they're equal.
Also, we can't compare QiuBai with Arene due to their rarity.
we can.
Yes we can because they're literally the exact same archetype and role but Qiubai just insanely powercreeped him a comparion won't even be necessary.
@@UitBlinkertje_ and you can just compare skills by numbers
Halo bang
@@peroasting_amatirjam 12 nanti, Bang.
1 year later, I think it is safe to say that Quibai has aged a little better than SA in the meta. Her module is quite strong, and more importantly, there are just currently more ways to buff arts damage than there is to buff physical. Resistance shred often has a much more impactful effect on dps than defense shred, due to the non-linear nature of resistance. Going from 90 res to 70 res is a 3x damage multiplier, and going from 70 res to 40 res is a 2x multiplier. So Quibai looks much worse in these showcases without res shred, but her damage goes up more than SA with shamare when given support in the form of ifrit or texalt S2.
There is also just more things which buff arts, like Saria S3, reed alt S3, logos talent. Enemy def has also slowly been powercreeping throughout the last year, with 3k+ def elites showing up more or less in every event. There is no way to powercreep resistance on enemies since it is a flat number from 0-100, which we can reduce via logos/texalt/ifrit, but if def keeps going up, even shamare starts not being enough to justify SA.
Also mylnar lol.
"Just use both." - some random arknights player
Just use Mylnar (someone)
@@peroasting_amatir
"Why not all three of them?"
-big-brain Dokutah
@@cerealata9035 Add Thorns to the mix to make it complete
Me when frostleaf
Bruh
Oh yeah, both SA and qiubai damage can kill bosses even if they need buff/debuff. But im sure for SA i will always helidrop him and qiubai for holding lane. With that medium SP qiubai can hold some enemys while charging SP.
Just a reminder if you read a comment that say something like "why comparing A operator and B operator", better skip that comment "IF" you have limited resources. They're a whale who pull every operator, and then m3 every skill and module 3. They cant understand why people with limited resources need a priority.
Ofcourse every operator have a worth, but Some people have limited resources so they have a priority (either meta/waifu/something).
Qiubai is the worst of the 3 6-star lord guards. Even Lapland is more useful than her. Lapland's silence is still very useful in some stages. Bind can be substituted by other crowd-control options like freezing, stun, sluggish and slow.
Very interesting comparison. I’m still pulling for Qiubai for sure though.
the irreplaceable thing about SA is reveals invisible enemy
Bruh Ines does that a million times better
Should be the redeployment time reduction
@@louisfill849 completely false statement
@@HSGG_ he's right tho, you can permanently reveal 2 lanes with Ines S2 only
@@HSGG_Litterally no
From the vid, she's basically on par with Silver Ash then? More or less so, depending on enemies' DEF and RES. At first I thought it's sorta underwhelming since she has lower range and less target count but then I remember her skill costs 40 SP less than Silver Ash. Which makes it fair I guess..
I think its more like Quibai is arts version of SA s3
Quibais kit gets a bonus to slowed enemies so suzaran s3 was helping her more than it was helping silverash
The SP cost difference is probably not too important for SA since he is usually heli-dropped and redeployed rather than kept in the field to recharge s3.
And Qiubai is not pure dps, she is funny dps with some supp possibilities. Alone can bind enemies quite consistent
Yeah. Remove suzuran s3 and her damage becomes jack shit
Also remove multiple enemies and her dps becomes jack shit
She sucks just because she does good in a youtube showcase doesnt mean she actually is
So, if its about helidrop damage - basically SilverAsh is stronger in terms of AoE, and QuiBai beat him in SingleTarget dmg.
And Mlynar beat them both 😅
Yeah but mylnar is not a lord guard so 😅
@@irsyad226well, here they are used like helidrop units - "How much dmg they can deal while their skills is active"
Thorns is also Lord, but can't really be compared cuz his skill is infinite duration.
>> Silver killed Mephisto, Patriot and an Archer faster
>> Qiubai killed only a hammer guy faster because armour and Suzu buffs her much better
>> Qiubai beats Silver in single target
@@BooguyTheAdept OP's cope is real
Man SA kill patriot faster than QB, single target my ass
은재는 은신감지에 재배치쿨감도 있답니다... 구백은 3스로쓸거면 퓨딜로봐야하는데 퓨딜이 한물간 유틸이 이제반메인인 누커랑 비슷한딜이 나온다? 흠...
They are both hot, strong, and have amazing drip. In conclusion, theres no point in comparing since I'm gonna roll for both
둘다 강하기는 강한데 은재있는 올드유저는 굳이 구백이를 뽑을 필요까지는 없어보이고 이제막 시작한 뉴비들이나 오퍼풀이 적은 무소과금 유저는 뽑아도 나쁘진 않아보임 물론 이후 이벤트나 신규오퍼가 출시되는거 미래시로 볼때 선택과 집중이 필요햐보이긴 함
Her damage will never be able to replace the invis reveal and reduction in redeployment time. Godbless SA 🙏
But can replace binding, different usage Godbless Qiubai
Her damage isnt even good to begin with
This showcase is like MADE for qui bai
Remove suzuran and multiple enemies and her damage sucks
Also SAs best buffer is not suzuran at all
a bit slower (because non-aoe, just 2-target).. but the DPS is there, definitely
오...좋은데? 하다가 범위 확인하고 거른다. 약간의 선쿨과 마딜이라는 이점이 있어도 은재의 5명 공격+은신 감지+범위를 넘진 못하네요. 특야토 대비 해야 하니 더더욱 돌 아껴야 하고
파죰카 나오고 나서 슈바르츠가 출시되면 이런 기분이 아닐까싶긴함. 쓰레기는 아닌데 굳이?싶은
using bosses with high res... and you will say that "silver is stronger"?
SA S3 has much bigger range, allowing positions QB does not.
He also 1) reveals invisible, 2) gives all units faster redeploy.
That means SA has 2 talents with extra utility, while QB has 2 talents that do very little, outside incredibly low-chance bind.
With S3 it binds quite easly and she is arts dmg not pure physical dmg. For sure I pref her over SA
This showcase is like the only place qui bai is actually decent at
Her damage needs multiple targets to stack up aspd
And she NEEDS a slower to actually deal damage all for terrible cycling
Her S3 is hilariously bad and her main skill is litterally S2 wich has nothing to do with SA at all
@@Sairento-kun"quite easily" 20% chance
The showcase here litterally doesnt even help SA at all as suzuran hardly buffs SAs damage
Use shamare in the same situation and see just how bad qui bai is
Her damage needs to ramp up before actually dealing okayish damage wich asks for stars to allign
She needs suzuran she needs multiple enemies and she needs to stay in the field wich she does NOTHING for 55 seconds mind i remind you
She sucks horribly lmao
@@kyarumomochi5146Why do u hate Qiubai that much? LOL
@@UshiBenkei Saying she isnt that good meta wise = i hate the every part of that operator
Sure bud
Just because it's on "Lords" doesn't mean that we need to compare it
We all know for Silverash is have to compare with "Liberators" (Milnar & Tequila) so for anyone that wants to know
This is just wrong
우리는 실버애쉬가 아직 현역인걸 기억해야합니다.
"합성옥의 수호자"
She’s a good sidegrade. I use her alongside thorns and they clean house together
I really, don't wanna pull for her considering Yato-alter is around the corner, but somewhere my in my mind is telling me to pull.
Sad that she wants Suzuran for Max dmg…
Perhaps module will be a saving grace for her.
That's assuming there's a module. Lol nothing in sight yet. Also, SA, Thorns, and Lappland would probably do great too. Hopefully. So it shouldn't make a huge difference if they'll all get something
@@ikyiAlterBut her damage heavily depends on her talent, unlike the others mentioned.
@@slonik0002 Okay, I did some basic number crunching.
Here's some quick facts.
She hits 43 times during her S3M3.
Using 20% chance, that means she'll bind something every 5 hits. And each bind lasts 1.5 seconds.
She'll get to hit 15 times where they will proc her 40% talent.
I don't know if her talent's bonus damage is before or after her S3 buff. I'm guessing it's after.
If it's before, it's only 9% extra total damage.
If it's after, it's 14% extra total damage.
And if we look at Qiubai with Suzuran slowing the enemies for her whole skill duration, Qiubai's talent will deal either 26% or 40% more total damage.
If we look at past modules, we can see they usually only buff talents by like 5-15%.
If we assume Qiubai's talent gets buffed to 33%. That means she'll bind every 3 attacks or 25/43 attacks will proc her talent. That's 66% more procs. But if you convert and compare to total damage...
9% > 15% = 6% increase in total damage
14% > 23% = 9% increase in total damage
I won't know what module the other lords get, but if they also get some standard 5-15% attack buff, it'll probably equate to 6-9% increase in total damage or something (to a single target).
You'll need Qiubai's talent get a massive buff to "heavily" increase her total damage.
Well, that's just my guess. =P
You're forgetting that unlike Silver Ash, Qiubai doesn't care if it's Suzuran OR Saria providing the slow and damage increase. Since Saria increases arts damage while Suzuran increases both physical and arts damage.
I mean it's not game changing but does give her a bit more flexibility and could matter in the rare stage where a melee tile is more effective for placement then a ranged tile.
Even though I say that they're rare we see these stages a lot where the ranged tiles are placed very awkwardly.
@@ian59 Except Qiubai does care, since only Suzuran provides the Sluggish effect that Qiubai's talent needs. Saria simply offers a movement speed reduction, which is a different effect and doesn't work with Qiubai.
Poor patriot always the punching bag of new characters
은재가 찐 초창기 캐릭인거 감안하면 음.. 좀 그렇네
I prefer SA, why?
That 10% redeployment time reduction
마항 높으면 아무튼 못 뚫는다...
Imagine SA's talent is much more about synergy or support while Quibai's are 100% for damage
구백도 솔직히 거르기엔 깡딜과 이속감소가 너무 메리트가 커서 좀 아쉽긴함.
이후 라인업들 보면 유통기한이 빠른편이긴한데 얻어도 딜하고 CC기가 나쁘진 않아서 채용해도 나쁘진 않을듯
고점 자체는 높은 편이고 모듈로 성능 강화될 여지도 있는데 하필 종예 특토 사이 픽업이라 억까당하는 면이 있긴 한듯? 근데 결국 그 고점을 뽑으려면 투자해줘야 하는게 있어서 요즘들어 빡빡해진 편성칸 차지하긴 힘든듯
@@정현규-o9h 솔직히 잠재력이 충만한 오퍼라 과감하게 플랙스해도 손해는 아닌데 특야토에서 그러면 추가지출까지 고려해봐야하니 다들 고민하는거같음.
특야토는 한정이고 특사스나 수첸처럼 한정이라도 언젠가는 복각을 해줄수 있는 한정오퍼들과 달리
특사스는 콜라보 이격오퍼에 성능까지 받쳐주니 복각을 하려면 또 몬헌이랑 콜라보 해야하니 다신 못얻을까봐 특사스까지 걸러서라도 얻으려던 사람들도 있으니 어쩔수 없죠.
일단 콜라보 오퍼 자체가 영원히 복각없음이라 봐도 무방해서 레식 오퍼들도 성능유무를 떠나서 그거 얻자고 오버해서 얻던 사람들인데..
@@icefiret_ysh 좀더 넓게 보면 애초에 가챠 미래시가 빡빡한게 제일 클듯. 특토 자체는 뿌리는거 포함하면 사실상 100뽑 안으로는 확정이라 먹는 난이도가 낮은 편인데 그 이후에 미래시가 너무 빡빡함.
특토 이후로 힐이야까지 걸러가도 될만한 오퍼가 오올헤약이랑 이그제큐터 이격 정도인데 오올헤약 뽑은 뮤엘시스 인질로 잡혀서 결국 하긴 해야되고 이그제큐터 이격도 이번 모듈 나름 잘받아서 메리트 있긴 하니까 쉴 구간이 별로 없음.
그리고 구백 자체가 아군 지원을 받아야 고점을 뽑아낼 수 있는데 그 고점이 지금 구백이 설 수 있는 포지션 중에서 특출나게 높은 편이 아니고 그정도 고점을 단독으로도 뽑아낼 수 있는 캐릭터들이 있는 부분이 한계인듯.
@@정현규-o9h 12지도 거를게 없어서 솔직히 빡빡하긴한데 골글때부터 이어져온거라..
그냥 진은참 바이럴이네 이건 좀;;
I’m a little confused as to why they are being compared as to who’s stronger when they fulfill a different type of niche in the lord guard archetype
Qiubai fits a weird role. She has her own niche but that niche is not really needed. SA or Mlynar will simply do a better job if you want them to be boss killers. Their physical attacks are really high so that they can usually overcome and don't care about arts or not.
Qiubai is like a step back from boss killers, or huge waves of elite killers. Her standard lane holding capabilities are decent since she does CC when the other two don't. And her recharge time is pretty fast in comparison to SA.
But the ultimate question is whether she's worth building if you have SA that kind of overlaps on her role. Or Mlynar + someone else
She is a improved Lappland
@@PekoraMamiCouncilHK Not even remotely Lappland has silence in her talent kit so you can’t really say that
@@ikyiAlter did my message not ever send I typed a tiny thing here about why I was going to use her but I think yt didn’t register it lol
@@PekoraMamiCouncilHKin burst damage yes but lappland is use for her utility(silence), shes not a boss killer and she 5*
Mlynar: 🗿
은재야.. 시켜볼게있어...
Skadi helps SPD based characters so much
Skadi? Or skalter?
I too love comparing apples to oranges
*Mlynar laughs in newspaper*
구백 바이럴 잘봤습니다
Chinese Schwarz. Let's go!!! Can't wait for her.
you mean chinese ines
오.. 구백도 굉장하군요..!
One is a laneholder and one is a helidrop unit, personally I prefer Silverash cuz there are many better laneholder than her
Qui bai is a lane holder? LMFAO
You mean SA s2? Because nothing about Qui bai is laneholding
@@kyarumomochi5146 She can, not a good one though, 55% damage boost on 50 sp skill at M3 isn't good but the point is she can
@@hartoramasenju4012 She can what? Do you even know what lane holding means??
Where is her sustainability? Where is her good cycling skills?
Litterally NOTHING about her kit has anything to do with lane holding
Her s3 is hilarious to give an example of as it takes 50 SECONDS to charge if we assume thats a lane holding skill then i guess Litterally all guards can be considered laneholders by that definition
If anything only "lane holding" thing about her is her s2 wich in no world can properly lane hold because SHE HAS NO SUSTAIN
The DEFINITION of laneholders is that they can HOLD a lane with no help at all or can sustain themselves
By your definition every melee unit in this game are lane holders lmao
@@kyarumomochi5146 yes I know, and I clearly said she isn't the best at it, your point? Also about self-sustain, medic is created for a reason, not everybody need to be Mudrock level
@@hartoramasenju4012 At that point its litterally not lane holding
Did you even read like 3 words from what i said mate?
Do you even understand what a lane holder is and why people use that term?
God its extra annoying when people legitimately cant bother to read a sentence lamo
Why not both...
Well she can slow/bind enemies...
Sadly, both of them are solidly below Horse Uncle. So... if you have Horse Uncle, QiuBai is one of the easiest skips out of the up coming "standard operators"
they're not exactly the same archetype, but true, when it comes to laneholding there are other better options and for damage, mlynar is just too overpowered.
@@raine7428 and at the end of the day you'd be using them for the same things, aka nuking stuff with their S3 and out of the 3, Horse Uncle just stands way above the two in terms of performance against everything be it single target, aoe and aerial.
Also different archetype but all 3 are still Guards.
@@justinrazon7200 guess so, the sudden release of the other archetypes made things complicated XD don't mind me, I'm just trying to tell myself to not regret skipping qiubai for yalter ;-;
@@raine7428 Oh trust me if I can afford to not skip Qiubai I would still pull for her. It's just that we're jam packed with limiteds to save for and as f2p, most people won't have enough savings to keep on pulling on all the standard operators.
She's still pretty good overall, the only problem is she has pretty tough competition as most people most likely pulled for Horse Uncle.
@@justinrazon7200 fr man, i actually want her along with stainless because of a vid i saw in yt, but sadly as of late, most limited operators are meta ops. Back then, not getting nian, w, rosmontis, etc is ok but ever since skadi alter, alot of limited operators are a must have. Guess we'll just have to rely on offpity pulls to get them
로드의 수치ㅋㅋㅋ
어차피 스페셜리스트 야토 대비해야되서 걸러야돼..
은재가 없었으면 기용할만 한가..하지만 은재가 없는 사람은 거의없지..
저염~! 거의없는 부류 중 1인
majority will just pull coz she hawt af
Always have been
V Aja masih bisa
구백 스펙자체가 나쁜건아닌데
앞으로의 가챠일정 생각하면 거르는세 맞다...
전투력 측정기 은재....
S.A. 5 targets, Qbai only 3 and shorter range
회전율 생각하면 좋은 편인 것 같긴 한데
회전률도 뭐 소모량 55면 다른 로드 둘보단 나은데 그렇다고 빠른 회전률이라기엔 좀 어려운 부분이 있고 스킬 발동 후 개별적인 예열이 있다는 부분도 감안해야할듯...
Remember Silver Ash Sp cost 90 !!! Qiubai just half ......
은재보다 범위도 저열하고 은신감지만큼 유니크한 유틸도 없으면서 피해량은 동급? 버려ㅋㅋ
이렇게 보니까 포텐셜이 비슷하네
me with both mlynar and thorns:
I see no reason for pulling for her TBH.
SlverDaddy will always be better.
And since I have Młynar, it's no point for me to waste pulls especially with a collab around the corner.
Idk men still skipping her banner i already have too many good guards to fulfill the slot.
And she is not welcome anymore maybe i can borrow support unit and that's it
Female SA but can bind
Thanks for the video.
In conclusion. My Mylnar is at least 2.5x stronger than Qui Bai.
I mean, Silverash is already better than her and Mlynar is arguably 4x stronger than Silverash. It ought to be far more than 2,5x.
Shing shing shing for the win
sounds of proof of a hero intensify
실버애쉬는 위대하다
진짜 캐릭은 이쁜데 성능이 너무 구림 카넬리안도 이뻐서 좀 무리해서 뽑았는데 이쁜 피규어만 되더라
억빠하는 사람들 말 거르고 말하자면 구린건 진짜 아닌데 유틸있는 똥캐랑 동급 취급이 애매한 딜러... 딱 파죰카 다음에 슈바르츠 출시했다면 이런 분위기가 아닐까 싶음
조건부 속박이 그렇게까지 매력적이라고 보기 어렵구... 지금 라인업들 어떻게든 따라가보겠다고 힐리드도 거른 사람들도 있던데 구백은 거론할 필요도 없는 ㅋㅋㅋ
대 황 참
안뽑음.
SilverAsh is still a meta, Qiubai is not. SA performs very well in his niche (helidrop, invisible reveal, mob sweeping and redeployment decrease buff for all units). Qiubai is just totally meh.
진짜 구리긴하네
qiubai needs +100% danage buff, she has the looks and it shouldn't go to waste
Who let this mf cook. Literally the one that compare Typhon and Thorns, Mlynar and Chongyue. Now Qiubai and SA ? Mf already burn the whole house
You love to see it LMAO🤣
Benchmarking permanent physical ranged damage, proving that Chongyue is not a boss killer like many assumed despite the s3 scaling, comparing arts and physical dps. Tbh only this one sounds weird to me. Maybe some noobs wanted to know? :shrug:
Being worse than a character that fell off hard like two years ago is honestly impressive.
Silverash the best
Just the best
Qui bai has terrible cycling and terrible burst damage that is extremely gated by a secondary slow/bind effect so she litterally cant function without supports
Her s3 range increase is no where as useful as SAs as well
They really didnt even think when making her kit and solely focused on making her a 6 star frostleaf
Her s2 is her best skill by a HUGE marging and that skill has nothing to compete with any of the Lords in the game
Qui bai acts more like a Swordmaster than a Lord tbh especially her s2