Thanks for the reply and simple explanation.. Also the visual guide was very helpful as well. I think the 7 top channels sounds like a good idea. With having 2 top middles that would act like a VOG so you'll have perfect set up for all audio formats. Yes Auro 3D is not native but I've seen and read that a lot of people like or prefer using the Auromatic upmixer to get better sound from lackluster atmos audio Looking forward to hearing your opinion on CH and that setup. Thanks
I'm running a 7.2.4 setup with my Denon x4700h with front heights and surround (side) heights. I can't do rear heiggts. Sounds great work Auro3d upmuxing since ATMOS doesn't let you use the rear surrounds (the 7.x- th speakers) in that configuration.
Keep in mind that both Auro3D AND DTS:X-Pro can make use of the Center Height and Voice of God at the same time. Atmos is the only one which doesnt use them. If you make extensive use of Auromatic and the Neural-X upmixer, they might be worth investing in. Though the Center Height can be a phantom if you already have Front Heights, so not strictly necessary
Hi mo I'm against a back wall and have front heights in a 5.1.2 and I'm getting another 2 atmos speakers would you recommend me putting the extra heights on the side walls facing downwards or against the wall the sofa is against up high like the fronts ??
Thanks for the question. If you are able to install them on the side walls above the surrounds facing towards the main listening position that would be better in my opinion. That is how auro-3D setup goes as well.
@magnoliamo yes I can install either , I was just wondering which area like I said, so the best position.would be on the side walls above surrounds facing mlp?
Yes, mostly use Auro-3D on non dolby atmos soundtracks. I use default settings. I also use Auro-3D for multi-channel music in addition to standard Auro-3D music discs.
I think you might be ok with the 2 middle vs the vog. To sample vog I temporarily hung a speaker above my head on a ladder to test it out and it was great, I literally had chills and goosebumps go down my spine from my neck down! Later I moved that speaker off of the ladder and again temporarily hung it way up on the side wall until I could plan how I would finally do the vog since I have very high ceilings and it will be a chore to permaently do the vog. My results were ok, but not as good as vog. With it on the side wall directed at me, it's good enough that I do get the overhead effect, but it is just nice to hear, but not visceral like the first true vog. Incidentally, the the vog and all auro3d upmixed speakers are designed to use full range speakers. Obviously, that is difficult but the more base you can get out of the vog speaker the absolute more immersive you feel the spaceship or plane overhead. Just to confirm you mentioned native auro3d tracks but obviously it's the upmixer most people use. I've found so many lackluster atmos tracks that auro3d upmixer makes better use of the sound bubble. How do you test what is actually coming out of the speakers and determine what the processing is doing? I pain stakeingly lower all speakers except the one I'm testing and then sample a few memorized movie scenes that I know the audio cues and I look for the differences. It takes time and I have found lots of atmos tracks having no data sent to speakers, where the auro3d upmixer will send crucial data such as birds chirping or environmental sounds up to the heights and really makes the scene alive. Another test I do is to verify that the processing is not sending duplicate data to surrounds or if it is changing the sound from say the middle height to the rear height, ideally they should be different audio cues. Otherwise if not then it's just parallel speakers that can be done free without an expensive avr. Since the new update I haven't done that. I use center height and it is nice, not as awsome as vog positioned overhead but it's nice, not required for me.
Thanks for the detailed comment. I have a separate 5-channel amp for the 5 of the height speakers, and a separate stereo amp that I run in bridge mode for the 6th height speakers. For testing, I turn off the bed layer 7-channel amp. That way I can tell exactly what’s playing and how the sound is panning across the height speakers. All my videos and reviews that have to do with height speakers are tested like that. For a couple of my videos I took the pain staking process to configuring the speakers for .2, .4, and .6 layouts in the processor and then switching the height speaker connectors accordingly based on each layout. I have also compared auro-3D and Atmos in my Avatar 2 review. You may want to check that out. By watching the same scene over and over again with just the heights and with just the bed layer speakers you can tell what sounds are duplicated in the height channels and the bed layer speakers and which ones are not. Thanks for the comment.
@@magnoliamo nice! I had 2 denon 3800 avrs connected to rum 7.8.8 in auro it was nice. Then I did 1 3800 and 1 Sony 7000 in atmos on for the Sony and auro for the denon. It was cool
Hello Sir, need your valuable suggestion.im using denon1700h amplifier. Kefq650 is the centre. Polk t50 is the front left and right. Polk t 15 is the surround.current crossover is set all to 80hz. Dialogues are not very clear. It sounds boomy. What crossover should i put for these to get clear audio output and dialogue clarity
The Kef Q650 have a steep rolloff after 80hz so 80hz is the lowest you should go for crossover. If you are using audyssey then it should correct the boomy-ness. Where is the center located?
@@magnoliamo my thought was to give crossover like this.. Will this be ok? front left polk t 50(Total Frequency Response 38 Hz → 24,000 Hz) : 80HZ Front right polk t 50((Total Frequency Response 38 Hz → 24,000 Hz) : 80HZ Centre q650(Frequency Response (64Hz - 28kHz : 90HZ Surround polk t 15(Frequency Response. 45 Hz → 24,000 Hz) : 110HZ LFE+MAIN LPF LFE : 120HZ Any changes required?
@@mananagarwal7002 there isn’t a lot of auro-3D content in the US. It’s more popular in Europe. I like the auto-3D up-mixing on legacy Dolby and DTS content. That’s what you would be missing.
@@magnoliamo oh, I see anyways I live in India and here availability is even more less as internet is quite affordable here so streaming is more common here instead of blu ray discs
@@magnoliamo I just checked the specs and it says my unit has Dolby Surround upmixer and DTS Neural X both of which upmix 5.1 and 7.1 to height channel. So will the experience be similar to your auro 3d upmix and do you know how to turn this thing on or does it turn on automatically? Thanks a lot for replying!!
Speaking of DTS-X, where in the hell do you find the content? Never-mind IMAX audio…….does this even exist? If DTS was a results driven company I honestly don’t know how anyone could stayed for longer than maybe 3 months Talk about all talk and no product…..
Thanks for the reply and simple explanation.. Also the visual guide was very helpful as well. I think the 7 top channels sounds like a good idea. With having 2 top middles that would act like a VOG so you'll have perfect set up for all audio formats. Yes Auro 3D is not native but I've seen and read that a lot of people like or prefer using the Auromatic upmixer to get better sound from lackluster atmos audio
Looking forward to hearing your opinion on CH and that setup.
Thanks
Thank you!
I'm running a 7.2.4 setup with my Denon x4700h with front heights and surround (side) heights. I can't do rear heiggts. Sounds great work Auro3d upmuxing since ATMOS doesn't let you use the rear surrounds (the 7.x- th speakers) in that configuration.
Keep in mind that both Auro3D AND DTS:X-Pro can make use of the Center Height and Voice of God at the same time. Atmos is the only one which doesnt use them.
If you make extensive use of Auromatic and the Neural-X upmixer, they might be worth investing in.
Though the Center Height can be a phantom if you already have Front Heights, so not strictly necessary
Hi mo I'm against a back wall and have front heights in a 5.1.2 and I'm getting another 2 atmos speakers would you recommend me putting the extra heights on the side walls facing downwards or against the wall the sofa is against up high like the fronts ??
Thanks for the question. If you are able to install them on the side walls above the surrounds facing towards the main listening position that would be better in my opinion. That is how auro-3D setup goes as well.
@magnoliamo yes I can install either , I was just wondering which area like I said, so the best position.would be on the side walls above surrounds facing mlp?
@@magnoliamo I'm using klipsch r40sa for front heights and side heights, and I use auro 3d all time
What crossover would you recommend mo.for these heights? I've got everything at 80hz but klipsch say a minimum of 150hz for these heights
@elloco271 I would go with Klipshs’s recommendation. Start at 150 hz and see how that sounds and then move down. I wouldn’t go below 120 hz.
Do you still use auro 3d upmixer? If so, what are your settings - have you tried movie mode?
Yes, mostly use Auro-3D on non dolby atmos soundtracks. I use default settings. I also use Auro-3D for multi-channel music in addition to standard Auro-3D music discs.
@@magnoliamo Thank you for answering. So Medium and I believe strength 10?
Yes.
@@magnoliamo My bad, new default is 12 not 10.
@kuuttiwalls I’ll go home and check what it is on Marantz.
I think you might be ok with the 2 middle vs the vog. To sample vog I temporarily hung a speaker above my head on a ladder to test it out and it was great, I literally had chills and goosebumps go down my spine from my neck down! Later I moved that speaker off of the ladder and again temporarily hung it way up on the side wall until I could plan how I would finally do the vog since I have very high ceilings and it will be a chore to permaently do the vog. My results were ok, but not as good as vog. With it on the side wall directed at me, it's good enough that I do get the overhead effect, but it is just nice to hear, but not visceral like the first true vog.
Incidentally, the the vog and all auro3d upmixed speakers are designed to use full range speakers. Obviously, that is difficult but the more base you can get out of the vog speaker the absolute more immersive you feel the spaceship or plane overhead.
Just to confirm you mentioned native auro3d tracks but obviously it's the upmixer most people use. I've found so many lackluster atmos tracks that auro3d upmixer makes better use of the sound bubble.
How do you test what is actually coming out of the speakers and determine what the processing is doing? I pain stakeingly lower all speakers except the one I'm testing and then sample a few memorized movie scenes that I know the audio cues and I look for the differences. It takes time and I have found lots of atmos tracks having no data sent to speakers, where the auro3d upmixer will send crucial data such as birds chirping or environmental sounds up to the heights and really makes the scene alive. Another test I do is to verify that the processing is not sending duplicate data to surrounds or if it is changing the sound from say the middle height to the rear height, ideally they should be different audio cues. Otherwise if not then it's just parallel speakers that can be done free without an expensive avr. Since the new update I haven't done that.
I use center height and it is nice, not as awsome as vog positioned overhead but it's nice, not required for me.
Thanks for the detailed comment. I have a separate 5-channel amp for the 5 of the height speakers, and a separate stereo amp that I run in bridge mode for the 6th height speakers. For testing, I turn off the bed layer 7-channel amp. That way I can tell exactly what’s playing and how the sound is panning across the height speakers. All my videos and reviews that have to do with height speakers are tested like that. For a couple of my videos I took the pain staking process to configuring the speakers for .2, .4, and .6 layouts in the processor and then switching the height speaker connectors accordingly based on each layout.
I have also compared auro-3D and Atmos in my Avatar 2 review. You may want to check that out.
By watching the same scene over and over again with just the heights and with just the bed layer speakers you can tell what sounds are duplicated in the height channels and the bed layer speakers and which ones are not. Thanks for the comment.
@@magnoliamo nice! I had 2 denon 3800 avrs connected to rum 7.8.8 in auro it was nice. Then I did 1 3800 and 1 Sony 7000 in atmos on for the Sony and auro for the denon. It was cool
Nice info about do you want one for 11.1 channels with four Heights?
Thank you 🙏
Hey, when playing a movie with Auro3D does the Denon actually shows its an Auro3D track playing or it will show the track as DTS?
The audio will show as Auro3D. I have done videos with the Marantz AV8805 where input audio format will show Auro3D.
@magnoliamo thanks, do you have a link?
@AexoeroV sure. Here is one. ua-cam.com/video/Tyj5hEqWOoI/v-deo.htmlsi=rQoCd_7BalsHY5Wv
Hello Sir, need your valuable suggestion.im using denon1700h amplifier. Kefq650 is the centre. Polk t50 is the front left and right. Polk t 15 is the surround.current crossover is set all to 80hz. Dialogues are not very clear. It sounds boomy. What crossover should i put for these to get clear audio output and dialogue clarity
The Kef Q650 have a steep rolloff after 80hz so 80hz is the lowest you should go for crossover. If you are using audyssey then it should correct the boomy-ness. Where is the center located?
@@magnoliamokept on top of a cabinet
@@magnoliamo so what crossover should i give for LCR?
@@magnoliamo my thought was to give crossover like this.. Will this be ok?
front left polk t 50(Total Frequency Response 38 Hz → 24,000 Hz) : 80HZ
Front right polk t 50((Total Frequency Response 38 Hz → 24,000 Hz) : 80HZ
Centre q650(Frequency Response (64Hz - 28kHz : 90HZ
Surround polk t 15(Frequency Response. 45 Hz → 24,000 Hz) : 110HZ
LFE+MAIN
LPF LFE : 120HZ
Any changes required?
@manasil20092009 Perfect! Except please only select LFE and not LFE+Main. That’s the reason for the dialogue sounding boomy
when did this update come out
The update came out in March 2023
I may have it then, I will run an update @@magnoliamo
which avr are you gearing
I currently have the MARANTZ AV8805A processor.
@@magnoliamo Awesome! thanks for this vidieo man. By the way, I love that processor.
Is this update available for SR6015?
I don’t remember seeing SR6015 on the list of products receiving this update but you should check Denon.com. Thanks for the comment.
@@magnoliamo I've a 7.1.2 set up. So do I lose much without auro 3d as I've never seen auro 3d written on blu ray discs and ott content?
@@mananagarwal7002 there isn’t a lot of auro-3D content in the US. It’s more popular in Europe. I like the auto-3D up-mixing on legacy Dolby and DTS content. That’s what you would be missing.
@@magnoliamo oh, I see anyways I live in India and here availability is even more less as internet is quite affordable here so streaming is more common here instead of blu ray discs
@@magnoliamo I just checked the specs and it says my unit has Dolby Surround upmixer and DTS Neural X both of which upmix 5.1 and 7.1 to height channel. So will the experience be similar to your auro 3d upmix and do you know how to turn this thing on or does it turn on automatically?
Thanks a lot for replying!!
Is this update available for 8805?
If you are asking about the 8805A then yes. That is what I have but it’s not available for the original 8805.
Speaking of DTS-X, where in the hell do you find the content? Never-mind IMAX audio…….does this even exist? If DTS was a results driven company I honestly don’t know how anyone could stayed for longer than maybe 3 months
Talk about all talk and no product…..
Very true.