Back in 2014 I bought an aluminum Giant Defy 5 at my LBS for $680 out the door. Over the years I swapped out the Claris for 105 (52-36, 11-34), and the original hoops for 42mm carbon fiber hoops. I consistently ride this bike 450-550 miles per month. It’s my super-bike. I’ll never get rid of it.
That’s the spirit. I love looking at high end Treks and the Pinarellos , Bianchis etc are things of beauty. But they weren’t designed for someone of my modest abilities or lack of flexibility. Some great mid point bikes out there, eminently upgradeable when things need replacing or as ability noticeably improves. High end bikes admirable though. A bit like Ferraris, Mclarens…🤔🚴🏾
Came to road biking from 7 years of mountain biking. Thought road riding would help with my conditioning for technical mountain climbs. Initially purchased a 2020 Trek Checkpoint AL4. A 2020 Domane SL5 was also in the store but I convinced myself that was more bike than I needed. Well, I never planned on falling in love with road biking like I did. The LBS took back my Checkpoint after a few months and credited me as a rental towards the Domane. Since 2000 I have become a board member of a local riding club, become a ride leader for B rides and try to ride 60-100 miles per week most of the season. I have also upgraded to carbon rims, bar, new seat, tires and sold my 2017 Trek Fuel EX-8 27.5 plus mountain bike for a full group set swap from the stock mechanical 105 to SRAM Rival AXS (sold the 105 group set too). Yup, I'm now a full time roadie lol. Did I need the Domane? Probably not. Did I need to make the upgrades? Probably not. Do I have a bike I thoroughly love and enjoy? Yup. There are far worse things that I could be spending money on. I look at it as an investment in myself. I don't drink, smoke or gamble. At 59 I am probably in the best shape of my life from a life of resistance training plus the riding I have been doing. I've met some great people and ride with people I now consider my friends. We share the pure love and joy of riding. I say ride the best bike you can afford and stop caring what others think of your choices.
Interesting take. I recently sold my Ultimate and kept my Specialized Allez (which is aluminium btw and it's quite a mediocre bike compared to the ultimate) because i couldn't justify the money I spent on that Ultimate and all the upgrades i've made over the last 2 years. I do not race and I put less than 100kms/week on the bike (maybe less than 50 in the winter) so for me personally it was just an overkill. Ofc it was a beautiful bike, a joy to ride but still, an overkill. I think that it's really important to do a reality check from time to time and even before buying a bike and be honest about it. Everyone likes the electronic shifting, fancy deep section carbon wheels, top grade carbon frames..but at the end of the day, how many of us do actually need it? The bike industry is going in a weird direction, pushing new tech, gutting the entry-level market and raising prices to the point where a carbon bike with ultegra groupset can cost as much as a good second hand car. It's crazy
honestly, I love my di2 but I would never race on it. I use ultegra to race on because if it breaks I will just replace it with 105. Electronic is nice for those long rides but just that, nice, if you can afford it or find a great deal get it.
After riding on my Cervelo for the last decade, I went out and bought myself a superbike. I want to experience the joys of knowing that the only reason I'm trapping slow times is because of my fitness. You only live once and if you can afford it, might as well treat yourself and enjoy it.
What ever happened to building your own bike? Piecing together stuff from sales or auctions? Or gasp, getting a last year (or earlier) model? You can do very well if you scour and know how to turn wrenches. A brand new bike is crazy to me at this point.
That's the way I'll do it, had this idea since 2013, only one year after I got into the sport. I did it once last May, now gathering parts for the next build.
I did this, just built a Supersix Evo Hi Mod with full Dura Ace Di2 (11 speed), deep lightweight carbon rim and carbon spoke wheels, integrated cockpit and lots of lightweight parts. The cost after selling the take off parts was under £4K. The equivalent new Supersix Hi-Mod with Dura Ace 11 speed retailed at £10,500, the new 12 speed version £11,500. And mine is actually higher spec and substantially lighter than those new bikes. You can build a super bike a lot cheaper than buying one complete, even if you buy all the components brand new.
@@huntos83 did a 2019 argon 18 gallium pro frameset build, sram red etap axs, and built my own wheels same. 3200 bucks but I did recycle cranks and pedals from old bike. But seriously that's 1/3 the price of these new bikes, or more, and it's totally fine.
That's exactly what I did in the midst of the COVID shortage too. Found a 2014 Argon 18 that a guy was selling. Frame was in excellent condition. Replaced rear and front derailleur, handlebars, stem, and wheels. What's great about older bikes is how easy they are to work on, you can tinker to optimize performance. With the new bikes, imo, they've made it so much harder meaning you basically end up fitting to the bike or not. Integrated cockpits, internal cable routing and disc brakes are all harder to play around with. Plus it's way more fun! My whole bike cost like $2k and people are seriously impressed with the build and performance I can get out of it.
As long as people are buying Ferraris, Lamborghinis there will be a market for superbikes too. It’s not because those are wannabe world tour riders but they have the $$$$$ to fork out. If somebody is after performance then a good frame with 105 or Ultegra and some nice wheels are sufficient.
No one needs a superbike, the pros are furnished with their sponsors' steeds, and the rest of us buy what we want or we can afford. If you damn good, you'll be damn good no matter the bike, if your average or you suck, you'll continue to be so unless things change physically. To hear someone try to justify spending gobs of money for a watt or two over a 100 km ride is laughable. Just say that's what you wanted, and no other justification is needed.
Awesome content! I defenitely believe 3-5k is where the good value for money is. Carbon bikes with 105-ultegra groupsets and light carbon wheels. Past that point, it's very hard to get good watt per dollar savings. Even on the cheaper 1-2k range, you can basically get a great bike that you're hardly going to outperform unless your FTP is well above the 4w/kg mark.
Agreed. The law of diminishing returns seems to be strongly in play here. A "Superbike" or even many mjd-level bikes are beyond the level of many riders. But, if you want one and can afford it, go ahead and indulge yourself.
Carbon framed bikes with 105 are even cheaper if you buy second hand. He mine for years and love it. Besides, not looking like a pro rider I would feel darned silly riding one of those bikes.
This sounds great, if it were to actually exist, but what major manufacturer is offering a carbon frame, carbon wheels, and >= 105 groupset for anywhere close to $3k? In my experience what you're describing retails for closer to $6k than $3k, and the value proposition actually falls off a cliff.
Great video. Best value for me is an aluminum frame with regular Shimano 105 and no carbon wheels - at least for my use: commuting, exercise and the odd grand fondo with friends.
Yip, all I want is a reliable bike that doesn't cost an arm or a leg to buy or maintain. Cycling is about simplicity, the modern race machines (do you really need a highly strung thoroughbred?) have moved so far away from simple it's a bit un-nerving! It seems to me that 'trickle down technology' is suspiciously like passing the R&D costs of the high end products on to a wider range of consumers, rather than keeping things for the everyday rider simple, cheap and above all reliable.
I am partial to my 2021 Trek Emonda SLR series. At a very fit 48Kg, 55Kg combined bike and rider weight, good luck keeping up with me on ascents. All the extra crap on more expensive bikes isn't going to make you fast. Being seated on your ass, pedaling for many kilometers on end building endurance and strength by riding up ascents makes you faster.
Cannot agree more! I got my previous bike with SRAM Force, then got my latest bike with SRAM Rival. There is no point in getting the highest specs like Red or Dura-ace - except for those in serious racing
Most of it comes down to physical ability, skill set and personal discipline (and money) in order to experience some of the the benefits of a super bike. Even someone with good car racing experience would not qualify to drive a Formula 1 car. I fail to see the wisdom of riding a super bike unless being a fully fledged pro competitor. All these reviews of 'Super Bikes' maybe somewhat interesting but may also distort the perspective of some peoples perception of their own abilities and create unrealistic desires. Well, sometimes it's fun being rich and stupid.
Not only do you not need a super bike, unless you're actually racing, you will probably be better off on something ergonomically friendlier. I have a fancy, handmade titanium road bike, but if I'm planning a really long day in the saddle (>150 miles), I get on my hybrid flat bar bike...comfy!
Makes good points for not splashing out on a "Superbike" but rides a 6.5k bike himself. A lot of people, including myself, would consider this a superbike also. I could make the same case for not buying a 6.5k bike and sticking with my 2.5k bike with similar features and if someone with a 1k bike argued their bike against mine and labelled mine a superbike then their point would be valid too. It's all relative and really depends on what you want out from cycling and prepared to or can afford to spend on it.
Was about to call you out on your $2.5k bike but you took care of it yourself. LOL Most people I know buy the S-Works level because they can afford it; same reason many people buy the top-tier trim level package on a new vehicle instead of the base model. It's all relative. The video's message is accurate though: spending more doesn't necessarily make you faster.
honestly the biggest reason is that most of us don't ride for the pace but for the effort(or atleast should). Does it matter to you training if you make loose 10 Watts more to rolling resistance instead of wind resistance
Great to see some common sense from the cycling media. Superbikes are the Lamborghinis of cycling - ridiculously expensive and impractical in the real world. My “superbike” is a custom-built steel frame with mechanical 😱 105 that cost a quarter of what can be spent on a top end superbike, and it’s awesome!
Every point you made is 100% correct. The point that you missed is people WANT a super bike. I do. I did not settle. Dogma F with SRAM Red axs, 404’s, oversize pulley wheels and custom paint. I fu*king love it. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
THANK YOU!! The ‘want’ factor is always missed in these kinds of videos. One frustrating thing about the cycling community is they love telling you how you should spend your money. Buy what you want and enjoy yourself
Can't agree more. I built the same bike: dogma F + red powermeter simply because I want it. The only difference is I use lightweight meilenstein coz 404 is not top tiered.
Glad you got what you want, enjoy it. Now don't be a dick. Donate, contribute and share with the local cycling community. If you have the $$$$$ to throw at a Pinnernago you have the dollars to "grow" our passion - bikes.
@@mjf1975 They don’t tell you what to do. They just tell you that you don’t NEED a super bike, and still own a great riding bike. What you WANT is up to you.
@@dvdp4513 That’s pretty much my point. I’m fairly sure anyone who buys a superbike already knows they don’t actually need one so there’s not really a need for the video in the first place
If you’re riding a bike for fun and/or fitness, 105di2 or sram rival is enough. Also, nobody who doesn’t race for a living needs an aero bike. I’ve got a domane with 105di2 and a Scott addict with sram rival. I enjoy both as much as I would a madone or foil. And both were half the price.
@@claynails4391 There has to be a mechanical 105. This is practically Shimano's workhorse groupset, the ticket to the upper half of the Shimano road groupset hierarchy. My current bike will use mechanical 105 once I rebuild it with a performance spec.
I’ve been trying to talk myself into getting a Salsa Warroad which would cost anywhere from $3500-4500 USD. But the truth is, dropping that cash isn’t going to make me go from 17MPH to 22MPH..maybe I’ll get 1-2MPH extra because it’s about 4lbs lighter than my current bike? I could also just lose 4 lbs too 🤷🏻♂️
@@larrylem3582 I know:/ They’re hard to find where in my area. REI has the 2020 105 version..but I already have 105s. I also need to remodel my shower and have some plumbing work done this summer which will set me back probably $7-8k. I could just get some drinks in me and say screw it.
Exactly. Just lose 4 lbs. That's better than getting lighter parts or a lighter bike. It cost nothing and your health is more important than bike weight.
Bought an end of line "superbike" a 2017 model in 2022 a huge reduction in price, it's the best I can afford and that I'm prepared to maintain. The difference from my £1200 bike is hugely noticeable, I loved every mile of the 3k I rode last year. If you want it and can afford it buy it. But 2.5k will get you an amazing bike. Turned 50, it's the best bike I'll ever own. Made an effort to get fitter to ride it. Improve your health and fitness and enjoy riding, you can make massive "gains" by looking after yourself first. But love the bike and you'll love riding it.
My current rim brake bike cost me 3000$CAD 105 groupset weighting 7.5KG , and those new bikes (disc brake ) cost whopping 6000-8000CAD weighting 7.9-8.2KG , i don't really see any reason buying new bike.
Because weight is the least important limiting factor in terms of average speed or climbing. Assuming that you ride climbs only 1 kg heavier bike will make you 0.5% slower overall on the 20 km climb which is nothing for the amateur. Rolling resistance/wind/drag/aerodynamics/bike fit (this one probably the most important factor) tire type and pressure even the air density and humidity are all more important aspects impacting your speed. Weight of the bike is massively overrated and psychological mostly.
My aluminum rim Brake bike with 105 10 speed from over a decade ago weights less than 7.4 kg with bottle cages and pedals lmao. It didn't cost me 3k$ back then either.
@@michadebicki6534 You sounded like those bike bike companies trying to convince ppls how they can get 30 secs faster in an hour with those $13000 bikes , i been riding for many years and with my current bike the ppls i ride with in the group have SL 7 S-works , Pinarello gran fondo etc all those expensive bikes, in the end it all comes down to your legs , a better rider can ride just as fast as anyone with higher FTP even with a heavier(lower value and older model) bike am i correct?
@@Taihaki of course. I ride alloy cannondale caad12 with hydraulic 105 groupset and custom made by local shop alloy race bike also with 105. Both bikes have basic 40 mm carbon wheelsets some custom parts and they're worth maybe 6000 dollars combined. I feel alloy better, like it more, like the road sound on it more so I did complex scientific research if this additional 0.5 or 1 kg will make me slower. It won't. I broke all the personal records (even on uphill races) on the custom alloy bike just because it fits me like a glove. With previous statements I just wanted to point out that weight is totally overrated factor. The fact, that the industry is full of bullshit and these overly expensive bikes full of features we don't need or asked for - are not worth it and won't matter for us - this is different matter.
im 55 years old and don't really have the flexibility and power to ride a super bike. But im a sucker for the look of a nice aero bike. So who cares if i go for a super bike and just ride it at 25km/h? As long as it makes me happy.
A superbike could be worth it if it is going to motivate you to ride it, and thus, derive health benefits. ANY superbike is much cheaper, and has less life impact, than a heart attack or stroke as a result of inactivity.
Can’t argue with these points, but you’re missing a HUGE element of owning and riding a super bike: psychological factor. I cannot express how much joy riding super bikes has given me. The realization that there is nothing to upgrade to is an extremely powerful and satisfying feeling that further enhances each ride. And there is a difference in how these bikes handle and feel. I have no regrets whatsoever on spending the ridiculous money on the bikes. I worked hard for it, and cycling is my zen and passion. It’s more than worth the cost. To me. A Pinto will get you from point A to point B, but people still buy Porsches and Ferraris to drive for the pure pleasure of driving and pride of ownership. It cannot be discounted.
I think the bike market is going to leave a gap for quality lower end bikes. I'm going to keep my eyes open for new companies trying to fill this gap, and I'm looking less to the major brands. It's just crazy how expensive bikes are now.
Before I even watch the video there is only 1 reason to "not" get a super bike; 99% of civilian riders (aka non-pros) will never be able to exploit what the bike is capable of. Other than that, if you can afford it, go for it and screw anybody else's opinion.
Agree. Quite a few of these "civilian riders aka pro wannabe's" are what I call HSB (Human Shaped Blobs), resting their soft asses on expensive bike...desperate to look cool. These HSB's have been successfully brainwashed to believe that they need these expensive cycles for even their basic 40 km rides. Sometimes I feel like I am missing out by not purchasing a 2000+ "budget entry level gravel bike'.......but then I remind myself that these are just bikes.
I have a nearly 10 year old Carbon frame and routinely pass people on much newer, nicer, bikes. Granted, there is a point you need to get to in order to put up serious numbers (I'd say carbon frame, good wheels and at least 105). It's gotten to a point where it's not about actual performance, it's about showing off. If you want to perform better, train. The improvements you get from a "super bike" are minimal at best. Remember 80% or so of the drag comes from the rider not the bike.
Integrated cockpits limit the adjustability in body position. Since this is where the most aero gains are achieved, these bicycles are actually slower for anyone who hasn't found an optimal position, which is the majority of amateur riders. Moreover, bike fit changes over time and even during one season, so unless you are a professional who can get an unlimited number of bicycles, these limited cockpits are a bad idea.
One of the customers I've served wanted one on his new bike right from the get-go. The problem is he never had a bike fit before, so I wasn't really willing to sell him one. No prior fit, no purchase.
So they're way overpriced, fragile, a nightmare to work on and will only ever deliver the most marginal of gains for riders who are already at the top of the game. Got it.
Great video.. seen too many people that have more money than sense.. there is more to cycling which include spending the money you save from not purchasing a super-bike on a PT, cycling trips, cycling wear & gear, etc…. and when drop it, because you will eventually drop the bike you won’t go nuts! 😁
I've come to the point very often, thinking I could totally afford a more expensive bike, but then was just like: What for? If I want to get faster and competitive, any kind of structured training will give me higher benefits than 5 watts aero savings. Plus, my 105-equipped bike is reliable, it fits and has a more relaxed geometry and is less likely to get stolen. So, as much as wanted a fancy Dogma F or something in that range, it's just not worth it. Doesn't mean I can put some nicer bits on my current bike and upgrade it but I a 10k all-carbon, electronic bike would just be a waste in my hands.
I am really curious as to why Europeans/US people keep on saying that they are afraid of their bikes getting stolen as if they live in some 3rd world country surrounded by poor people hell bent and always on a lookout to steal their bike. Is bike theft so common in your countries? Also there seems to be a almost universal idea that you need to buy a expensive bike to be competitive......do most people ride their cycles just to compete or to enjoy the experience of the ride?
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Yeah, bike theft happens. It's not just mean starving people, but it's also a business. And it's not too hard when you can run a heist over night and escape over the border in another EU country with ease. And of course more expensive bikes offer features that help you in races. You can sport an entry level Allez in a crit race or TT but having good aero usually doesn't come for free. And it matters, because that's way beyond marginal gains, would you keep a loose jacket on?
@@DoNuT_1985 I understand using a expensive bike, clothes etc that give you definite advantages when in a race.....when competing.....but seriously what percentage of the cycling population are competing in a race vs people cycling for the joy of cycling without caring about topping a leaderboard or winning a race? I suspect that there are way more people who can do with a basic cycle without all the bells and whistles of a "pro level bike." My experience has been that the cycling industry has been very successful in brainwashing people....even average joe's that they need a $2000+ cycle to enjoy cycling. Most of these average joe's/wannabe pro's could do with some serious exercises to develop their body before even going in for the types of cycles that the industry/shills are shoving down their throats.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Agreed, spot on. I would argue that at least in triathlon realms, that might be a little different because it's more nichè/specialized equipment, but especially for traditional road cycling, you're mostly buying expensive stuff for the joy of it, and it's OK if you're in for that just because you want a nice bike. Anyway, it's true... There is too much marketing brabble and even channels like GCN are mostly about marginal gains, aero and top-spec bikes even though 99 percent of their viewers are average Joes.
Great video, all those things are really important to consider while you are buying a bike. But there is one thing that's goes with top range bikes. Expensive bike is always more exciting. So what I always recommend I to chose more expensive option in your budget range, cause this excitement will very often push you to ride more often. And for 99% of us bike is just a passion so why not make this passion more exciting ofc I'm not telling to go with the option that you cannot afford. But lets say that you are choosing between same bike, one is on Ultegra/Force level and second one is on 105/Rival level, and you can afford proper maintenance of both levels, then go with more expensive one, cause this guilty pleasure will motivate you to ride more ;) That's why I'm intentionally choosing top of the range bikes even if it is a waste of money. So after a year my Canyon Ultimate CFR eTap is still an exciting bike for me, and its much easier for me to motivate myself to do my workout even after hard day at work. And I'm 100% sure that my gains from that bike are maybe somewhere around 1 sec per 100 km :P And even my 2010 Santa Cruz Blur XC Carbon on full XTR, with Mavic Crossmax SLR' wheels, and Rock Shox Sid XX WC is stil something that I like to admire, even if I use it as.a decoration in my garage, cause I have now different XC bike ;)
Agree 100 per cent. I recently bought a new bike that was expensive. I knew I didn't need an electronic groupset, deep carbon wheels, fully integrated cables etc... However, I still wanted one, and I love getting out and taking it for a spin. As w/ my previous bikes it'll get used heavily and w/ the amount of money I'll save on not driving and parking my car at work, plus the health benefits, it'll eventually pay for itself. I'd also recommend buying the missus some flowers to keep her happy too!
I don't own superbikes anymore, but I have decent ultegra based carbon bike which lately had frame issues (rear wheel was getting loose on every ride). Bike is on warranty repair/check now and store gave me replacement tiagra based aluminium bike (same race geometry, not endurance). Bike is over 1kg heavier and I can feel it while lifting the bike but except for that there are no other differences. Average speed on my standard 140km ride is the same, acceleration should be worse but in practice I could not feel it. Maybe the replacement bike is more stiff - it shakes a bit more and I can tell the granularity of the tarmac easier but it might due the fact of cheaper narrower tire. I live and train on flat terrain, maybe in the mountains this 1kg would make some noticeable difference. So my opinion is that unless you are TDF pro or gadget guy and you ride mainly on flats you definitely don't need super bike and probably not even ultegra class bike.
There is so much more to it than that. Superbikes have the best carbon layups, full ceramic bearings everywhere, the best wheels, the best kit. It's nice to have that and it's a tangible difference. It increases enjoyment. Sure, you don' t NEED it but its nice to have if you can afford it.
Good content here. I think it's totally true that a top-of-the-range bike that may cost 2-3 times more than a more modest version probably isn't going to be 2-3 times better than a mid-range version. Even so-called cheap bikes can be quite good now, once you adjust for modern expectations. A 2023 $1500 alloy bike with a Tiagra groupset probably doesn't seem too exciting to a lot of people, but it almost certainly shifts and rolls more smoothly than bikes once considered to be at the pinnacle of bicycle technology.
Just my 2 cents, if you can afford it and by having a superbike can motivate yourself to ride more often, just go ahead. But otherwise, normally 2nd tier product is always value for money.
Buying a superbike of any kind/genere type is a huge waste of money if you're an average punter and always will be; no shame in that btw... Both road-bikes i had in the 90s were mid-level with Ultegra and thankfully, not a shred of plastic (what i think of Carbon...) on the bike. Had a carbon bike briefly and hated it; No road feel and Too light. Thankfully (!), someone stole it. Bought a later 90s Bianchi steel 26er hardtail post-theft and was much happier...
@Cycling Weekley: What are you talking about? Most people can't afford or can't justify paying top dollar for a super bike. If you think top of the line super bikes are the top sellers in the bicycle industry you're out of your mind. Most people buy entry level or mid level priced bikes. The top end are a small fraction of buyers from amateur racers to your upper class - rich people who like having nice toys. The latter don't NEED it but it doesn't matter because they can AFFORD it.
Compare it like supercars if you want. They are always out of our league. I won't denie that i really love looking at the superbikes but on the other hand some people sometimes forget that superbikes also need service and that the price of spareparts also are on the hefty side. Personally i think that the most people could get a very decent bike between the 2-4 k range, which is still a lot of money. The best upgrade for my bike where handbuild wheels. For me as a tall and heavy rider ( not obese ) this made a huge difference. In the past i have broken several stock wheelsets ( except for my old campy khamsin wheels)
"some guys on GCN (yt) did a quick video, with one guy doing a VO2 max and muscle strength test; conducted by a sports physiologist. His results were basically 1/2 of what professional riders generate/exhibit, so pro racing was out for him. But the moral to the story is that investing in ten grand superbikes, that's a hobby for professional bike racers, where slight tweaks, fancy components can take a few seconds off your final race time."
The best reasons we are very poor 😂 to afford to buy extremely expensive super bikes ! It easily to have weight less than 7 kg, disc brakes, 1st grade wheels,1st grade Shimano Durace or SRAM Red gear parts….cost lots of money to buy a bike which have similar feather 🪶weight like that of ring bikes
If one is fit, young enough, well trained, fast on the bike and would like to ride as fast as possible, but has not so much money, he could consider to buy a superbike frame, and to buy good enough wheels (the best used by professionals for training for example), groupset (105 for example), and other much cheaper components than those sold with the complete superbike. A second hand bike/frame can be very good, or very bad, if used by a pro it can be "dead", or near that point it has lost all its quality. Titanium and best steel quality should also be considered.
Devils advocate: The value of the pound and the value of cycling is different to everyone depending on their situation. If you can afford it, why not? Most people have a car on finance. I bet most of us have a car that is not the best value. If you're into racing you'll know that consistency is the most important thing. If you have a bike you're excited to ride, you'll be more consistent in riding it. Bottom line: Do what makes YOU happy.
You didn't mention the obvious: Your fitness. If you're not at the top of the range of fitness, the top of the range bike is just a luxury flex because you aren't capable of getting the maximum from the bike anyway.
This has many more facets than this video, but seeing club riders go no faster on bikes that are out and out race bikes and the sales and marketing departments have gone into overdrive with makes me smile... The first rule is you have to sit efficiently & comfortably on your bike ( Gerald O'Donovan the man behind the all conquering Ti-Raleigh team bikes). A bike is a tool, get the right tool at the right price for the job... And whilst it is true dearer components cost more to service my experience is properly maintained the pay back is their service life... For example my Campagnolo Shamal's are coming to the end of their rims brake surface life BUT 'CYCLING WEEKLY' their ceramic bearings still spin effortlessly at circa 12 years old ! The Super Record group set is the same... But my Potenza and Chorus are working and lasting just fine too... Whilst I agree most cyclists do not need super bikes or race bikes as we say in Yorkshire " Buy cheap, buy twice"
Only buy things that actually solve a problem you're having, or be aware that you're indulging. Don't get caught on hype. At some point all you're doing is using your sport equipment like jewelry.
I still ride my 1971 Peugeot PX10. I have upgraded the drive train over the years, I used to ride 150 Km a day, now I ride 50 Km a day. Still work fantastic.
Unless you’re at the very top of cycling or are seriously chasing seconds or you have more money than sense todays Super Bikes are a waste of money for the overwhelming majority of riders. Three items that have been added to todays bikes that provide marginal, if any, gains that have driven up prices substantially are disk brakes, e-shifters and integrated cockpits. Deep section carbon wheels are also over rated and overpriced for the supposed gains. Not only that they are adding unnecessary weight to the bike. At the same time you’re sacrificing simplicity, ease of maintenance and far higher maintenance cost due to proprietary components that aren’t worth a hill of beans. Not only that but the bicycle manufacturers are taking choice away from consumers by making these so called upgrades standard equipment on bikes even though far less costly but just as efficient, more reliable and easier to use and maintain are available to consumers. That choice has been taken away from consumers. One of the best cycling decisions I made ever was when I sold my Trek Madone and bought a custom steel bike. Turned out my modern steel bike is at no disadvantage in a criterium. In fact it’s springiness is a significant advantage on attacks and just about every crit you go to there’s almost always a rider there crying by the side of the road who just broke a very expensive wheel or worse the cracked their carbon frame beyond repair and with all the proprietary components can’t even swap those out into a new replacement frame. I never lost a crit because I was ridding a steel bike. I’ve only lost them because I wasn’t the strongest rider. Yet I paid about half for my custom steel with mechanical shifters, rim breaks and Ksyrium wheel set then I paid for the Madone. That’s how a lot of people end up throwing away money is when the don’t calculate the human interface with the bike as a machine when they make their purchase. The irony here is when I go out on fast group rides and long group rides more people come up an Ohhh and Ahhh over my custom steel bike then the carbon super bikes.
99 percent cycling world doesn't need a superbike. But if you have the scratch, why not? No one needs to buy a Ferrari or Tesla S Plaid, or a Bentley. But who wouldn't love one.
If you can afford a super bike. Buy one for your self. That's the best thing I did to me. My Pinararello Dogma F12 just glides . No bone shattering vibrations. Just plush ride. Love it.
The bikes I love were super bikes like 10 years ago and I am really happy to see them at about 10% of what they cost available to someone like me now who will greatly enjoy it. The new super bikes are just not doing it for me.
It comes down to this: there are _super bikes_ and then there is _a bike that is super well-suited_ for that particular rider. Probably 95% of us don't need the same equipment ridden by the pros and should spend the extra money on a bike fit and cycling adventures.
Do I NEED a superbike? No I absolutely do not Do I WANT a superbike? Yes, yes I absolutely do. And that’s the difference. If you want one, and can afford one (including maintenance costs) then go and spend your money. It’s yours to spend The right bike is the one that gets you out riding, not the one someone else tells you you should have
I bought a super six team edition with red 22 for 5000-€ at my local dealer. Spent 1200 in proper wheels and it ist still not the half the price of a actual super bike. I don't miss 12/24 speed. The best racing bike I`ve ever owned.
I think bikes have become way over-inflated in regards to pricing and can't wait to watch the industry lose its ass, then having to restructure before coming back down to reality. I'll keep actually building bikes until that time. 👩🔧
If you are not on a pro peloton, you don't need a "super bike" - - There have been too many range-topping bikes with ridiculous prices in the past year, let's focus on mid range bikes. it doesn't even have to be sub $1,000 "entry level" bikes - even tho for some people, or people getting into cycling of any stripe - that is alot of initial investment, plus clothes, plus shoes, plus lights and other kit. Let's get more value in the $1,000 - 3,000 range for a bike - all in. (mind you my own "forever" titanium bike's value is 2x the top of that range) bike costs have gone way way too high and the fact is with demand in the floor - bike and part manufacturers better wise up quick.
For over thirty years I've bought leftover or slightly used bikes at about half their full retail. A couple even had whiskers on the tires still. During the covid (still here right) scare the new bikes got scarce, so the used bikes are priced high--way higher than they used to be. I see five year old models priced near what they were new. Hopefully things will adjust soon. A can't see over 2k on something that is so easy to steal and resell because the manufacturers don't emboss a VIN, or how about 12k?
Back in 2014 I bought an aluminum Giant Defy 5 at my LBS for $680 out the door. Over the years I swapped out the Claris for 105 (52-36, 11-34), and the original hoops for 42mm carbon fiber hoops. I consistently ride this bike 450-550 miles per month. It’s my super-bike. I’ll never get rid of it.
That’s the spirit. I love looking at high end Treks and the Pinarellos , Bianchis etc are things of beauty. But they weren’t designed for someone of my modest abilities or lack of flexibility. Some great mid point bikes out there, eminently upgradeable when things need replacing or as ability noticeably improves. High end bikes admirable though. A bit like Ferraris, Mclarens…🤔🚴🏾
My 5 reasons:
1 Cannot afford them
2 I'm not a pro
3 I don't ride fast
4 Don't wanna get robbed
5 Too expensive to crash it😂
Came to road biking from 7 years of mountain biking. Thought road riding would help with my conditioning for technical mountain climbs. Initially purchased a 2020 Trek Checkpoint AL4. A 2020 Domane SL5 was also in the store but I convinced myself that was more bike than I needed. Well, I never planned on falling in love with road biking like I did. The LBS took back my Checkpoint after a few months and credited me as a rental towards the Domane. Since 2000 I have become a board member of a local riding club, become a ride leader for B rides and try to ride 60-100 miles per week most of the season. I have also upgraded to carbon rims, bar, new seat, tires and sold my 2017 Trek Fuel EX-8 27.5 plus mountain bike for a full group set swap from the stock mechanical 105 to SRAM Rival AXS (sold the 105 group set too). Yup, I'm now a full time roadie lol. Did I need the Domane? Probably not. Did I need to make the upgrades? Probably not. Do I have a bike I thoroughly love and enjoy? Yup. There are far worse things that I could be spending money on. I look at it as an investment in myself. I don't drink, smoke or gamble. At 59 I am probably in the best shape of my life from a life of resistance training plus the riding I have been doing. I've met some great people and ride with people I now consider my friends. We share the pure love and joy of riding. I say ride the best bike you can afford and stop caring what others think of your choices.
Interesting take. I recently sold my Ultimate and kept my Specialized Allez (which is aluminium btw and it's quite a mediocre bike compared to the ultimate) because i couldn't justify the money I spent on that Ultimate and all the upgrades i've made over the last 2 years. I do not race and I put less than 100kms/week on the bike (maybe less than 50 in the winter) so for me personally it was just an overkill. Ofc it was a beautiful bike, a joy to ride but still, an overkill.
I think that it's really important to do a reality check from time to time and even before buying a bike and be honest about it. Everyone likes the electronic shifting, fancy deep section carbon wheels, top grade carbon frames..but at the end of the day, how many of us do actually need it? The bike industry is going in a weird direction, pushing new tech, gutting the entry-level market and raising prices to the point where a carbon bike with ultegra groupset can cost as much as a good second hand car. It's crazy
honestly, I love my di2 but I would never race on it. I use ultegra to race on because if it breaks I will just replace it with 105. Electronic is nice for those long rides but just that, nice, if you can afford it or find a great deal get it.
After riding on my Cervelo for the last decade, I went out and bought myself a superbike. I want to experience the joys of knowing that the only reason I'm trapping slow times is because of my fitness. You only live once and if you can afford it, might as well treat yourself and enjoy it.
You enjoy and get benefits for a decade, have residual value afterward, and for the price of a vacation for two--gone in two weeks. Not too bad.
Couldn’t agree more 🎉
A powermeter would do the trick already, you know?
@@ohnezuckerohnefett id say that a power meter ruins the illusion - im for the placebo effect of a super bike.
Do people actually care that much about speed while not being pro racers?
What ever happened to building your own bike? Piecing together stuff from sales or auctions? Or gasp, getting a last year (or earlier) model? You can do very well if you scour and know how to turn wrenches. A brand new bike is crazy to me at this point.
The cycling industry has gone full consumer.
That's the way I'll do it, had this idea since 2013, only one year after I got into the sport.
I did it once last May, now gathering parts for the next build.
I did this, just built a Supersix Evo Hi Mod with full Dura Ace Di2 (11 speed), deep lightweight carbon rim and carbon spoke wheels, integrated cockpit and lots of lightweight parts. The cost after selling the take off parts was under £4K. The equivalent new Supersix Hi-Mod with Dura Ace 11 speed retailed at £10,500, the new 12 speed version £11,500. And mine is actually higher spec and substantially lighter than those new bikes.
You can build a super bike a lot cheaper than buying one complete, even if you buy all the components brand new.
@@huntos83 did a 2019 argon 18 gallium pro frameset build, sram red etap axs, and built my own wheels same. 3200 bucks but I did recycle cranks and pedals from old bike. But seriously that's 1/3 the price of these new bikes, or more, and it's totally fine.
That's exactly what I did in the midst of the COVID shortage too. Found a 2014 Argon 18 that a guy was selling. Frame was in excellent condition. Replaced rear and front derailleur, handlebars, stem, and wheels. What's great about older bikes is how easy they are to work on, you can tinker to optimize performance. With the new bikes, imo, they've made it so much harder meaning you basically end up fitting to the bike or not. Integrated cockpits, internal cable routing and disc brakes are all harder to play around with. Plus it's way more fun! My whole bike cost like $2k and people are seriously impressed with the build and performance I can get out of it.
As long as people are buying Ferraris, Lamborghinis there will be a market for superbikes too. It’s not because those are wannabe world tour riders but they have the $$$$$ to fork out.
If somebody is after performance then a good frame with 105 or Ultegra and some nice wheels are sufficient.
No one needs a superbike, the pros are furnished with their sponsors' steeds, and the rest of us buy what we want or we can afford. If you damn good, you'll be damn good no matter the bike, if your average or you suck, you'll continue to be so unless things change physically. To hear someone try to justify spending gobs of money for a watt or two over a 100 km ride is laughable. Just say that's what you wanted, and no other justification is needed.
Peoples wife's are gonna see this and we are gonna be screwed. Please remove this video. We all need Superbikes
Lol 😆 🤣 💯
Sorry! Perhaps tell her you got it on discount, or it was a gift?
People's husband's are gonna see this and we are gonna be screwed. Please remove this video. We all need Superbikes
Awesome content! I defenitely believe 3-5k is where the good value for money is. Carbon bikes with 105-ultegra groupsets and light carbon wheels. Past that point, it's very hard to get good watt per dollar savings. Even on the cheaper 1-2k range, you can basically get a great bike that you're hardly going to outperform unless your FTP is well above the 4w/kg mark.
Agreed. The law of diminishing returns seems to be strongly in play here. A "Superbike" or even many mjd-level bikes are beyond the level of many riders.
But, if you want one and can afford it, go ahead and indulge yourself.
Carbon framed bikes with 105 are even cheaper if you buy second hand. He mine for years and love it. Besides, not looking like a pro rider I would feel darned silly riding one of those bikes.
like teh c anyon areaod cf sl 8
@@nicknameunavailable809 got one super bike , cuz I like the way they look 😁
This sounds great, if it were to actually exist, but what major manufacturer is offering a carbon frame, carbon wheels, and >= 105 groupset for anywhere close to $3k? In my experience what you're describing retails for closer to $6k than $3k, and the value proposition actually falls off a cliff.
Great video. Best value for me is an aluminum frame with regular Shimano 105 and no carbon wheels - at least for my use: commuting, exercise and the odd grand fondo with friends.
Yip, all I want is a reliable bike that doesn't cost an arm or a leg to buy or maintain. Cycling is about simplicity, the modern race machines (do you really need a highly strung thoroughbred?) have moved so far away from simple it's a bit un-nerving! It seems to me that 'trickle down technology' is suspiciously like passing the R&D costs of the high end products on to a wider range of consumers, rather than keeping things for the everyday rider simple, cheap and above all reliable.
5 Reasons why you don't NEED one.
1 reason that I have one - because I wanted it.
bro, even a 2000 euro bike is a superbike for me
I am partial to my 2021 Trek Emonda SLR series. At a very fit 48Kg, 55Kg combined bike and rider weight, good luck keeping up with me on ascents. All the extra crap on more expensive bikes isn't going to make you fast. Being seated on your ass, pedaling for many kilometers on end building endurance and strength by riding up ascents makes you faster.
Cannot agree more! I got my previous bike with SRAM Force, then got my latest bike with SRAM Rival. There is no point in getting the highest specs like Red or Dura-ace - except for those in serious racing
you won't feel any difference unless it's a 1KG
I love scram rival. It's cheap and works. I just pieced together a second groupset for my new bike. I got for 700
"There is no point in getting the highest specs like Red or Dura-ace - except for those in serious racing" absolutely. I 100% agree.
Most of it comes down to physical ability, skill set and personal discipline (and money) in order to experience some of the the benefits of a super bike. Even someone with good car racing experience would not qualify to drive a Formula 1 car. I fail to see the wisdom of riding a super bike unless being a fully fledged pro competitor. All these reviews of 'Super Bikes' maybe somewhat interesting but may also distort the perspective of some peoples perception of their own abilities and create unrealistic desires. Well, sometimes it's fun being rich and stupid.
Not only do you not need a super bike, unless you're actually racing, you will probably be better off on something ergonomically friendlier. I have a fancy, handmade titanium road bike, but if I'm planning a really long day in the saddle (>150 miles), I get on my hybrid flat bar bike...comfy!
Makes good points for not splashing out on a "Superbike" but rides a 6.5k bike himself. A lot of people, including myself, would consider this a superbike also. I could make the same case for not buying a 6.5k bike and sticking with my 2.5k bike with similar features and if someone with a 1k bike argued their bike against mine and labelled mine a superbike then their point would be valid too. It's all relative and really depends on what you want out from cycling and prepared to or can afford to spend on it.
Was about to call you out on your $2.5k bike but you took care of it yourself. LOL Most people I know buy the S-Works level because they can afford it; same reason many people buy the top-tier trim level package on a new vehicle instead of the base model. It's all relative. The video's message is accurate though: spending more doesn't necessarily make you faster.
honestly the biggest reason is that most of us don't ride for the pace but for the effort(or atleast should). Does it matter to you training if you make loose 10 Watts more to rolling resistance instead of wind resistance
Great to see some common sense from the cycling media. Superbikes are the Lamborghinis of cycling - ridiculously expensive and impractical in the real world. My “superbike” is a custom-built steel frame with mechanical 😱 105 that cost a quarter of what can be spent on a top end superbike, and it’s awesome!
Every point you made is 100% correct. The point that you missed is people WANT a super bike. I do. I did not settle. Dogma F with SRAM Red axs, 404’s, oversize pulley wheels and custom paint. I fu*king love it. Wouldn’t have it any other way.
THANK YOU!! The ‘want’ factor is always missed in these kinds of videos. One frustrating thing about the cycling community is they love telling you how you should spend your money. Buy what you want and enjoy yourself
Can't agree more. I built the same bike: dogma F + red powermeter simply because I want it. The only difference is I use lightweight meilenstein coz 404 is not top tiered.
Glad you got what you want, enjoy it. Now don't be a dick. Donate, contribute and share with the local cycling community. If you have the $$$$$ to throw at a Pinnernago you have the dollars to "grow" our passion - bikes.
@@mjf1975 They don’t tell you what to do. They just tell you that you don’t NEED a super bike, and still own a great riding bike. What you WANT is up to you.
@@dvdp4513 That’s pretty much my point. I’m fairly sure anyone who buys a superbike already knows they don’t actually need one so there’s not really a need for the video in the first place
If you’re riding a bike for fun and/or fitness, 105di2 or sram rival is enough. Also, nobody who doesn’t race for a living needs an aero bike. I’ve got a domane with 105di2 and a Scott addict with sram rival. I enjoy both as much as I would a madone or foil. And both were half the price.
Even 105 R7000 is enough.
The domane is such a nice bike, so hard to get one where I live but they're the perfect bike for abit of everything 😍
@@yonglingng5640 absolutely I’m livid that 105 went di2 only. But I’d wager a 12 speed mechanical 105 will surface this year
@@claynails4391 There has to be a mechanical 105. This is practically Shimano's workhorse groupset, the ticket to the upper half of the Shimano road groupset hierarchy. My current bike will use mechanical 105 once I rebuild it with a performance spec.
RIM BRAKES FOR THE WIN IN 23.
Rim brake>>>>disc scam
Rim 4 Road, Disc 4 Dirt.
The looks of my Wilier Triestina Filante SLR is worth the price on its own 🙈😄 many years of hard work went into it, really a dream coming true
That and the Zero SLR could have their own onlyfans they're that pretty. 🥵
At 75 I much prefer a soft riding but quite free rolling and fast steel framed with long wheelbase touring geometry.
I’ve been trying to talk myself into getting a Salsa Warroad which would cost anywhere from $3500-4500 USD.
But the truth is, dropping that cash isn’t going to make me go from 17MPH to 22MPH..maybe I’ll get 1-2MPH extra because it’s about 4lbs lighter than my current bike?
I could also just lose 4 lbs too 🤷🏻♂️
Get it if you think it'll ride a lot better than your current bike. It's not as if you're blowing $10k-$15k.
@@larrylem3582 I know:/ They’re hard to find where in my area. REI has the 2020 105 version..but I already have 105s.
I also need to remodel my shower and have some plumbing work done this summer which will set me back probably $7-8k.
I could just get some drinks in me and say screw it.
Exactly. Just lose 4 lbs. That's better than getting lighter parts or a lighter bike. It cost nothing and your health is more important than bike weight.
Superbikes in the real world are mostly just a status icon 🤔
Bought an end of line "superbike" a 2017 model in 2022 a huge reduction in price, it's the best I can afford and that I'm prepared to maintain. The difference from my £1200 bike is hugely noticeable, I loved every mile of the 3k I rode last year. If you want it and can afford it buy it. But 2.5k will get you an amazing bike. Turned 50, it's the best bike I'll ever own. Made an effort to get fitter to ride it. Improve your health and fitness and enjoy riding, you can make massive "gains" by looking after yourself first. But love the bike and you'll love riding it.
Aero bikes just look so cool. Other than that my aluminum sora equipped bike is good enough for me.
My current rim brake bike cost me 3000$CAD 105 groupset weighting 7.5KG , and those new bikes (disc brake ) cost whopping 6000-8000CAD weighting 7.9-8.2KG , i don't really see any reason buying new bike.
Because weight is the least important limiting factor in terms of average speed or climbing. Assuming that you ride climbs only 1 kg heavier bike will make you 0.5% slower overall on the 20 km climb which is nothing for the amateur. Rolling resistance/wind/drag/aerodynamics/bike fit (this one probably the most important factor) tire type and pressure even the air density and humidity are all more important aspects impacting your speed. Weight of the bike is massively overrated and psychological mostly.
My aluminum rim Brake bike with 105 10 speed from over a decade ago weights less than 7.4 kg with bottle cages and pedals lmao. It didn't cost me 3k$ back then either.
@@michadebicki6534 You sounded like those bike bike companies trying to convince ppls how they can get 30 secs faster in an hour with those $13000 bikes , i been riding for many years and with my current bike the ppls i ride with in the group have SL 7 S-works , Pinarello gran fondo etc all those expensive bikes, in the end it all comes down to your legs , a better rider can ride just as fast as anyone with higher FTP even with a heavier(lower value and older model) bike am i correct?
@@Taihaki of course. I ride alloy cannondale caad12 with hydraulic 105 groupset and custom made by local shop alloy race bike also with 105. Both bikes have basic 40 mm carbon wheelsets some custom parts and they're worth maybe 6000 dollars combined. I feel alloy better, like it more, like the road sound on it more so I did complex scientific research if this additional 0.5 or 1 kg will make me slower. It won't. I broke all the personal records (even on uphill races) on the custom alloy bike just because it fits me like a glove. With previous statements I just wanted to point out that weight is totally overrated factor. The fact, that the industry is full of bullshit and these overly expensive bikes full of features we don't need or asked for - are not worth it and won't matter for us - this is different matter.
@@michadebicki6534 I totally agree
im 55 years old and don't really have the flexibility and power to ride a super bike. But im a sucker for the look of a nice aero bike. So who cares if i go for a super bike and just ride it at 25km/h? As long as it makes me happy.
A superbike could be worth it if it is going to motivate you to ride it, and thus, derive health benefits. ANY superbike is much cheaper, and has less life impact, than a heart attack or stroke as a result of inactivity.
Can’t argue with these points, but you’re missing a HUGE element of owning and riding a super bike: psychological factor. I cannot express how much joy riding super bikes has given me. The realization that there is nothing to upgrade to is an extremely powerful and satisfying feeling that further enhances each ride. And there is a difference in how these bikes handle and feel. I have no regrets whatsoever on spending the ridiculous money on the bikes. I worked hard for it, and cycling is my zen and passion. It’s more than worth the cost. To me.
A Pinto will get you from point A to point B, but people still buy Porsches and Ferraris to drive for the pure pleasure of driving and pride of ownership. It cannot be discounted.
I think the bike market is going to leave a gap for quality lower end bikes. I'm going to keep my eyes open for new companies trying to fill this gap, and I'm looking less to the major brands. It's just crazy how expensive bikes are now.
Couldn’t agree more. Great content.
Before I even watch the video there is only 1 reason to "not" get a super bike; 99% of civilian riders (aka non-pros) will never be able to exploit what the bike is capable of. Other than that, if you can afford it, go for it and screw anybody else's opinion.
Agree.
Quite a few of these "civilian riders aka pro wannabe's" are what I call HSB (Human Shaped Blobs), resting their soft asses on expensive bike...desperate to look cool.
These HSB's have been successfully brainwashed to believe that they need these expensive cycles for even their basic 40 km rides.
Sometimes I feel like I am missing out by not purchasing a 2000+ "budget entry level gravel bike'.......but then I remind myself that these are just bikes.
I have a nearly 10 year old Carbon frame and routinely pass people on much newer, nicer, bikes. Granted, there is a point you need to get to in order to put up serious numbers (I'd say carbon frame, good wheels and at least 105). It's gotten to a point where it's not about actual performance, it's about showing off. If you want to perform better, train. The improvements you get from a "super bike" are minimal at best. Remember 80% or so of the drag comes from the rider not the bike.
Routinely passing people means nothing, except on a race... Valid points otherwise
@@nicolasledoux355 Dude is probably passing people while they're doing zone 2 on the bike path, lol.
Carbon + 105 + Rim Brake = Goldilocks zone, of price, performance, lightweight.
Integrated cockpits limit the adjustability in body position. Since this is where the most aero gains are achieved, these bicycles are actually slower for anyone who hasn't found an optimal position, which is the majority of amateur riders. Moreover, bike fit changes over time and even during one season, so unless you are a professional who can get an unlimited number of bicycles, these limited cockpits are a bad idea.
One of the customers I've served wanted one on his new bike right from the get-go. The problem is he never had a bike fit before, so I wasn't really willing to sell him one. No prior fit, no purchase.
So they're way overpriced, fragile, a nightmare to work on and will only ever deliver the most marginal of gains for riders who are already at the top of the game. Got it.
Great video.. seen too many people that have more money than sense.. there is more to cycling which include spending the money you save from not purchasing a super-bike on a PT, cycling trips, cycling wear & gear, etc…. and when drop it, because you will eventually drop the bike you won’t go nuts! 😁
Totally agree with you why i got my ORRO venturi Ultegra DI2 as my birthday present ant not something more expensive i was offered
I've come to the point very often, thinking I could totally afford a more expensive bike, but then was just like: What for? If I want to get faster and competitive, any kind of structured training will give me higher benefits than 5 watts aero savings. Plus, my 105-equipped bike is reliable, it fits and has a more relaxed geometry and is less likely to get stolen. So, as much as wanted a fancy Dogma F or something in that range, it's just not worth it. Doesn't mean I can put some nicer bits on my current bike and upgrade it but I a 10k all-carbon, electronic bike would just be a waste in my hands.
I am really curious as to why Europeans/US people keep on saying that they are afraid of their bikes getting stolen as if they live in some 3rd world country surrounded by poor people hell bent and always on a lookout to steal their bike.
Is bike theft so common in your countries?
Also there seems to be a almost universal idea that you need to buy a expensive bike to be competitive......do most people ride their cycles just to compete or to enjoy the experience of the ride?
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Yeah, bike theft happens. It's not just mean starving people, but it's also a business. And it's not too hard when you can run a heist over night and escape over the border in another EU country with ease. And of course more expensive bikes offer features that help you in races. You can sport an entry level Allez in a crit race or TT but having good aero usually doesn't come for free. And it matters, because that's way beyond marginal gains, would you keep a loose jacket on?
@@DoNuT_1985 I understand using a expensive bike, clothes etc that give you definite advantages when in a race.....when competing.....but seriously what percentage of the cycling population are competing in a race vs people cycling for the joy of cycling without caring about topping a leaderboard or winning a race?
I suspect that there are way more people who can do with a basic cycle without all the bells and whistles of a "pro level bike."
My experience has been that the cycling industry has been very successful in brainwashing people....even average joe's that they need a $2000+ cycle to enjoy cycling.
Most of these average joe's/wannabe pro's could do with some serious exercises to develop their body before even going in for the types of cycles that the industry/shills are shoving down their throats.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke Agreed, spot on. I would argue that at least in triathlon realms, that might be a little different because it's more nichè/specialized equipment, but especially for traditional road cycling, you're mostly buying expensive stuff for the joy of it, and it's OK if you're in for that just because you want a nice bike. Anyway, it's true... There is too much marketing brabble and even channels like GCN are mostly about marginal gains, aero and top-spec bikes even though 99 percent of their viewers are average Joes.
@@main_stream_media_is_a_joke you nailed ot
I don’t need one, but sure as hell I want one.
Great video, all those things are really important to consider while you are buying a bike. But there is one thing that's goes with top range bikes. Expensive bike is always more exciting. So what I always recommend I to chose more expensive option in your budget range, cause this excitement will very often push you to ride more often. And for 99% of us bike is just a passion so why not make this passion more exciting ofc I'm not telling to go with the option that you cannot afford. But lets say that you are choosing between same bike, one is on Ultegra/Force level and second one is on 105/Rival level, and you can afford proper maintenance of both levels, then go with more expensive one, cause this guilty pleasure will motivate you to ride more ;) That's why I'm intentionally choosing top of the range bikes even if it is a waste of money. So after a year my Canyon Ultimate CFR eTap is still an exciting bike for me, and its much easier for me to motivate myself to do my workout even after hard day at work. And I'm 100% sure that my gains from that bike are maybe somewhere around 1 sec per 100 km :P And even my 2010 Santa Cruz Blur XC Carbon on full XTR, with Mavic Crossmax SLR' wheels, and Rock Shox Sid XX WC is stil something that I like to admire, even if I use it as.a decoration in my garage, cause I have now different XC bike ;)
Agree 100 per cent. I recently bought a new bike that was expensive. I knew I didn't need an electronic groupset, deep carbon wheels, fully integrated cables etc... However, I still wanted one, and I love getting out and taking it for a spin. As w/ my previous bikes it'll get used heavily and w/ the amount of money I'll save on not driving and parking my car at work, plus the health benefits, it'll eventually pay for itself. I'd also recommend buying the missus some flowers to keep her happy too!
I don't own superbikes anymore, but I have decent ultegra based carbon bike which lately had frame issues (rear wheel was getting loose on every ride). Bike is on warranty repair/check now and store gave me replacement tiagra based aluminium bike (same race geometry, not endurance). Bike is over 1kg heavier and I can feel it while lifting the bike but except for that there are no other differences. Average speed on my standard 140km ride is the same, acceleration should be worse but in practice I could not feel it. Maybe the replacement bike is more stiff - it shakes a bit more and I can tell the granularity of the tarmac easier but it might due the fact of cheaper narrower tire. I live and train on flat terrain, maybe in the mountains this 1kg would make some noticeable difference. So my opinion is that unless you are TDF pro or gadget guy and you ride mainly on flats you definitely don't need super bike and probably not even ultegra class bike.
There is so much more to it than that. Superbikes have the best carbon layups, full ceramic bearings everywhere, the best wheels, the best kit. It's nice to have that and it's a tangible difference. It increases enjoyment. Sure, you don' t NEED it but its nice to have if you can afford it.
Bought a top end bike last year but my ftp not even 4w/kg. I feel ashamed riding it now 😂 especially when getting dropped on climbs
Good content here. I think it's totally true that a top-of-the-range bike that may cost 2-3 times more than a more modest version probably isn't going to be 2-3 times better than a mid-range version. Even so-called cheap bikes can be quite good now, once you adjust for modern expectations. A 2023 $1500 alloy bike with a Tiagra groupset probably doesn't seem too exciting to a lot of people, but it almost certainly shifts and rolls more smoothly than bikes once considered to be at the pinnacle of bicycle technology.
If you can afford it, yes you do! YOLO 💁🏽♂️.
Just my 2 cents, if you can afford it and by having a superbike can motivate yourself to ride more often, just go ahead. But otherwise, normally 2nd tier product is always value for money.
Bought a 2016 supersix hi mod off ebay , campag shamal wheels , sram red mechanical for 900 quid and it weighs just under 7 kg
me looking for a used $200 bike 💀
Buying a superbike of any kind/genere type is a huge waste of money if you're an average punter and always will be; no shame in that btw... Both road-bikes i had in the 90s were mid-level with Ultegra and thankfully, not a shred of plastic (what i think of Carbon...) on the bike. Had a carbon bike briefly and hated it; No road feel and Too light. Thankfully (!), someone stole it. Bought a later 90s Bianchi steel 26er hardtail post-theft and was much happier...
@Cycling Weekley: What are you talking about? Most people can't afford or can't justify paying top dollar for a super bike.
If you think top of the line super bikes are the top sellers in the bicycle industry you're out of your mind. Most people buy entry level or mid level priced bikes.
The top end are a small fraction of buyers from amateur racers to your upper class - rich people who like having nice toys. The latter don't NEED it but it doesn't matter because they can AFFORD it.
Compare it like supercars if you want. They are always out of our league. I won't denie that i really love looking at the superbikes but on the other hand some people sometimes forget that superbikes also need service and that the price of spareparts also are on the hefty side. Personally i think that the most people could get a very decent bike between the 2-4 k range, which is still a lot of money. The best upgrade for my bike where handbuild wheels. For me as a tall and heavy rider ( not obese ) this made a huge difference. In the past i have broken several stock wheelsets ( except for my old campy khamsin wheels)
Superbikes are something like a ducati panigale V4 ...that goes like 300kph ...hahaha 😂😂
"some guys on GCN (yt) did a quick video, with one guy doing a VO2 max and muscle strength test; conducted by a sports physiologist. His results were basically 1/2 of what professional riders generate/exhibit, so pro racing was out for him. But the moral to the story is that investing in ten grand superbikes, that's a hobby for professional bike racers, where slight tweaks, fancy components can take a few seconds off your final race time."
The best reasons we are very poor 😂 to afford to buy extremely expensive super bikes ! It easily to have weight less than 7 kg, disc brakes, 1st grade wheels,1st grade Shimano Durace or SRAM Red gear parts….cost lots of money to buy a bike which have similar feather 🪶weight like that of ring bikes
If one is fit, young enough, well trained, fast on the bike and would like to ride as fast as possible, but has not so much money, he could consider to buy a superbike frame, and to buy good enough wheels (the best used by professionals for training for example), groupset (105 for example), and other much cheaper components than those sold with the complete superbike.
A second hand bike/frame can be very good, or very bad, if used by a pro it can be "dead", or near that point it has lost all its quality.
Titanium and best steel quality should also be considered.
Devils advocate: The value of the pound and the value of cycling is different to everyone depending on their situation.
If you can afford it, why not? Most people have a car on finance. I bet most of us have a car that is not the best value.
If you're into racing you'll know that consistency is the most important thing. If you have a bike you're excited to ride, you'll be more consistent in riding it.
Bottom line: Do what makes YOU happy.
You didn't mention the obvious: Your fitness. If you're not at the top of the range of fitness, the top of the range bike is just a luxury flex because you aren't capable of getting the maximum from the bike anyway.
This has many more facets than this video, but seeing club riders go no faster on bikes that are out and out race bikes and the sales and marketing departments have gone into overdrive with makes me smile... The first rule is you have to sit efficiently & comfortably on your bike ( Gerald O'Donovan the man behind the all conquering Ti-Raleigh team bikes). A bike is a tool, get the right tool at the right price for the job... And whilst it is true dearer components cost more to service my experience is properly maintained the pay back is their service life... For example my Campagnolo Shamal's are coming to the end of their rims brake surface life BUT 'CYCLING WEEKLY' their ceramic bearings still spin effortlessly at circa 12 years old ! The Super Record group set is the same... But my Potenza and Chorus are working and lasting just fine too... Whilst I agree most cyclists do not need super bikes or race bikes as we say in Yorkshire " Buy cheap, buy twice"
You dont need an expensive Roadbike, i have the Canyon Ultimate for 6'500 PoundsWhat???
Only buy things that actually solve a problem you're having, or be aware that you're indulging. Don't get caught on hype. At some point all you're doing is using your sport equipment like jewelry.
I still ride my 1971 Peugeot PX10. I have upgraded the drive train over the years, I used to ride 150 Km a day, now I ride 50 Km a day. Still work fantastic.
Unless you’re at the very top of cycling or are seriously chasing seconds or you have more money than sense todays Super Bikes are a waste of money for the overwhelming majority of riders.
Three items that have been added to todays bikes that provide marginal, if any, gains that have driven up prices substantially are disk brakes, e-shifters and integrated cockpits. Deep section carbon wheels are also over rated and overpriced for the supposed gains. Not only that they are adding unnecessary weight to the bike.
At the same time you’re sacrificing simplicity, ease of maintenance and far higher maintenance cost due to proprietary components that aren’t worth a hill of beans.
Not only that but the bicycle manufacturers are taking choice away from consumers by making these so called upgrades standard equipment on bikes even though far less costly but just as efficient, more reliable and easier to use and maintain are available to consumers. That choice has been taken away from consumers.
One of the best cycling decisions I made ever was when I sold my Trek Madone and bought a custom steel bike. Turned out my modern steel bike is at no disadvantage in a criterium. In fact it’s springiness is a significant advantage on attacks and just about every crit you go to there’s almost always a rider there crying by the side of the road who just broke a very expensive wheel or worse the cracked their carbon frame beyond repair and with all the proprietary components can’t even swap those out into a new replacement frame. I never lost a crit because I was ridding a steel bike. I’ve only lost them because I wasn’t the strongest rider. Yet I paid about half for my custom steel with mechanical shifters, rim breaks and Ksyrium wheel set then I paid for the Madone.
That’s how a lot of people end up throwing away money is when the don’t calculate the human interface with the bike as a machine when they make their purchase.
The irony here is when I go out on fast group rides and long group rides more people come up an Ohhh and Ahhh over my custom steel bike then the carbon super bikes.
99 percent cycling world doesn't need a superbike. But if you have the scratch, why not? No one needs to buy a Ferrari or Tesla S Plaid, or a Bentley. But who wouldn't love one.
Most cyclists don't need all that crap. They can do just fine on an $800-1000 aluminum frame street bike or gravel bike.
I bet you would go a long way to find an ex - Pro paying out for a superbike.
If you can afford a super bike. Buy one for your self. That's the best thing I did to me. My Pinararello Dogma F12 just glides . No bone shattering vibrations. Just plush ride. Love it.
Giant contend AR 1 with 105 is the best all rounder for me .
The bikes I love were super bikes like 10 years ago and I am really happy to see them at about 10% of what they cost available to someone like me now who will greatly enjoy it. The new super bikes are just not doing it for me.
The bikes I ride were Superbikes 30 years ago. They turn heads Bob Jacksons and Mercians. 😁
I wan't to buy a super bike not because of any reason other than making my self happy. Just looking at it makes me really happy.
It comes down to this: there are _super bikes_ and then there is _a bike that is super well-suited_ for that particular rider. Probably 95% of us don't need the same equipment ridden by the pros and should spend the extra money on a bike fit and cycling adventures.
So many great points! Thanks.
If you're buying a 10k bike but aren't a pro racer, you are just showing off.
What a joke! It's not speed they're after, it's the "trophy" - the one they're riding, not the one they're not winning.
I love super bike they just look so good, so will get another one this few months 😁
Do I NEED a superbike? No I absolutely do not
Do I WANT a superbike? Yes, yes I absolutely do.
And that’s the difference. If you want one, and can afford one (including maintenance costs) then go and spend your money. It’s yours to spend
The right bike is the one that gets you out riding, not the one someone else tells you you should have
Superbikes exist as brand adverts for a whole bike family and for dentists
I bought a super six team edition with red 22 for 5000-€ at my local dealer. Spent 1200 in proper wheels and it ist still not the half the price of a actual super bike. I don't miss 12/24 speed. The best racing bike I`ve ever owned.
Whoever coined the phrase "superbike" is a complete and utter tool.
I ride a 2004 Trek 1000. The best bike I ever had. I don't need no carbon.
I think bikes have become way over-inflated in regards to pricing and can't wait to watch the industry lose its ass, then having to restructure before coming back down to reality. I'll keep actually building bikes until that time. 👩🔧
Obviously true
OR GET AN OLDER ULTIMATE RACE BIKE FROM A DECADE AGO FOR FARE LESS FOR THE SAME PERFORMANCE !! ALSO EASIER TO WORK ON TOO ;)
There’s no point in buying a super bike if you can’t afford to maintain it!
The main reason I didn't buy a superbike is not enough money😂
I bought my new gravel bike in 2022 for under 3000 euros, and works great. Still I do more riding on a touring bike which costed half of that so...
Such great points. Excellent idea for a video.
I just want trek to update or price drop the the Domane AL lineup
5 figures for a bike isn't sensible for anyone but a pro-rider
If you are not on a pro peloton, you don't need a "super bike" - -
There have been too many range-topping bikes with ridiculous prices in the past year, let's focus on mid range bikes.
it doesn't even have to be sub $1,000 "entry level" bikes - even tho for some people, or people getting into cycling of any stripe -
that is alot of initial investment, plus clothes, plus shoes, plus lights and other kit.
Let's get more value in the $1,000 - 3,000 range for a bike - all in. (mind you my own "forever" titanium bike's value is 2x the top of that range)
bike costs have gone way way too high and the fact is with demand in the floor - bike and part manufacturers better wise up quick.
The roads are full of all the gear no idea boutique cyclists
Excellent! Totally puts it into perspective. Couldn’t have said it better myself!
For over thirty years I've bought leftover or slightly used bikes at about half their full retail. A couple even had whiskers on the tires still. During the covid (still here right) scare the new bikes got scarce, so the used bikes are priced high--way higher than they used to be. I see five year old models priced near what they were new. Hopefully things will adjust soon.
A can't see over 2k on something that is so easy to steal and resell because the manufacturers don't emboss a VIN, or how about 12k?
Do you ever do anything on mountain bikes ?
I need a super bike. Everybody who loves cycling deserves a super
Good vid, I bought the Cervelo R3 because the R5 was way too expensive and not much diff from my R3, also love my ultegra drive train.
but everything you said is right, it's better to get a good frame and wheels for us amateurs
Whoa...a bike publication that ISN'T telling us we need to buy more and more and more stuff? Wow.