@@emerson00745 huh….. the product works great for about 10min then the ice melts and it doesn’t cool. And that’s expected but didn’t think it would be so quick…
Great review…but no mention that the EcoWave 2 is a heat pump. That is why it can heat and cool a space. This is very important and was not really covered in your review. Deserts can become very cold at night and blistering hot during the day. Also, if you operate in recycle mode (intake comes from the room you are targeting) the unit will work faster. I see no need to suck in outside air. Although the Wave 2 is bigger, the BTUs are too. I use an Anker Powerhouse with the EcoFlow. I can output 120 VAC to Wave for a very fast recharge or DC out if no rush. The double handle is a plus for heavier Wave. In van, I use ceiling exhaust fan for ejecting exhaust air. The Wave also provides a water drain tube but only needed if moving after running a few hours. The Wave mists the moisture from condensation and blows it back into the coils to improve cooling.
@@rileyclarkfineart I bought a diesel heater that is portable for same reason. But, I doubt I will use it now that I have the Wave 2. I prefer to put up a canvas tent if staying a few days. I usually sleep in van but like option of more living space. I like to carry lots of sporting gear for hunting, fishing and photography. I built my van for utility vs cosmetics and convenience. You and your dad do great work. What did you get for this van? I see it was sold.
Aren't they both heat pumps? Can't you just run the Zero Breeze backwards and point the exhaust into the space to heat? Comparing to house AC, the EcoWave 2 would be called a "reverse cycle" AC (at least this is the term in Australia). Of course you won't get thermostat controls running backwards e.g. duty cycle off when temp reached, but it's so portable that it would be super easy to do.
@@rninnessthe ecoflow Wave 2, is a real ac and a real heater, not just heat pumps. Mine should arrive this week. I dont know anything about the other one. Just watched a ton of excellent video reviews, about the Wave 2 & everyone said the Ecoflow is the only one like it, within this portable category. That justifies the size & weight difference, between these two.
I have the Wave 2 and haven't used the heater yet, as I got it this spring. I use it in my bedroom at home and run just the exhaust hose and drain hose out the window. Like you said, no sense in sucking in outside air. I did notice the exhaust hose gets hot, so I slipped a knitted tube on it. I do like the little remote.
@ahahahahahaahah) In the beginning of the video he claims he bought both of them, by purchasing them that implies he did not get them for free and therfore his review would be non biased. Maybe since you didn't watch the video you were confused.
You missed the best feature of the wave 2 by not measuring the power draw in DC mode which cuts the power draw in half with the same performance as 110 AC power. You can run this 24/7 with a 400 watt panel for free
Well thought out and nicely done comparison. I also appreciate the fact that you made us aware that you did purchase both units. You just earned another subscriber‼️😉😎
Awesome review, thanks. Just bought the Wave 2 and battery. Were in Australia so needed a bit extra grunt for the hot summers and also liked that its a heater too.
I understand that this is an AC vs review but I think given the price point of each, the Wave 2 can also be used as a heater, which eliminates another space taking device and/or removing the whole diesel/gas heater you would have to have otherwise. I realize this would apply more to a Van lifer in most cases but I feel like it should be mentioned. Regardless I really appreciate your AC battle , keep up the good work! Thanks!
Yes, a heating element is a nice little bonus but it’s so absolutely wasteful, but I don’t really see a use for it… as always the best heating solution is more insulation in whatever place you are staying at and even better, warmer clothes? If you have to be some super bougie high class rich guy, then I guess you could just run a propane heater with a Mr. buddy it’s a lot more efficient and a lot less annoying than having to power 1500 watt heating element to get subpar/mediocre heating. The heating function is kind of a novelty/gimmick. This is a very efficient, portable solution, but not some insanely thirsty thing you have to run off a generator, there are better solutions for that that provide more heat/more cold. I guess I just find it kind of strange how people are trying to live a simpler/more efficient lifestyle where they don’t blow as much money/time, but then they try to spend as much money as they can, when they are living a simpler lifestyle, which one is it?
@@rileyclarkfineart I would recommend the smallest Mr. buddy you can find it and a 20 pound propane tank I had a regular Mr. buddy in my 31 foot rig, on the lowest setting, it would make me sweat in 0° weather and a 20 pound tank would last me like 1-2 weeks running 12 hr a day, it’s a miracle o.o I did this for several years and was always surprised a little the cost was to heat the entire rig. It cost me like 60 bucks of propane a month. For your little van, I would recommend the smallest little buddy you can because the bigger ones are actually a little bit too hot even on the lowest setting, and I can also verify that they are very very safe. I have slept with them on accident turned on with the windows completely shut and I woke up feeling fine Although I wouldn’t recommend it at all!
@@ZxAMobile Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the EcoWave has a traditional heating element. It uses the same principle when cooling to heat, just in reverse. When cooling it's acting as an Air Conditioner when heating it's acting as a heat pump. The energy usage to heat would be roughly the same at cooling.
@@rninness that would be incredible however I find it hard to see how it would create that heat in a very cold environment the heat pump simply pulls hot air that is already in the environment out of the environment if you don't have hot air to begin with where is it pulling it out of and if it is not pulling it from anywhere it would have to generate it and generating heat with electricity is extremely resource-intensive and there is no way to efficiently do it
The Zero Breeze isn't over priced. Eco Flow is undercutting the price of the Wave 2 because they know you have to buy their power banks if you want to power it with DC power. It's like they're selling a printer for dirt cheap then getting you on ink.
That's not entirely true. Any power bank that delivers 12v pure sign wave power will work. Also, there's a bonus that the Wave gives that the Zero Breeze doesn't. I can also be used as a heater.
This comparison really helped me inch toward a decision. Thank you for breaking things down in your tests, and breaking down who they would be best for. Really lays things out for the spectrum of outdoor needs, comfort, and setups. Just subscribed!
Good luck on the build! I am working on a testing for the heater function for the wave 2. I use a diesel heater system for my van which will be hard for it to beat, but looking forward to seeing how it performs!
The problem is that everyone is comparing them. One is 2300 btu, other 5000+. Both are movable, both are battery powered, same thing. Its like comparing a 5000 btu window ac to a 10,000 btu window ac and saying the 10,000 is better because it cools my house in 105deg weather better. Well, ya, it will. Great review, the comments are the fun part. PS, zero breeze is working on a slightly larger, but still under 20lb 5,000 btu model with heat.
The Wave 2 has a design flaw in that all of the condensate is not collected in the tank. Every time I tested my unit significant amounts of water would leak from the bottom of unit once I moved it. Not good in a van. I returned it.
We have the Wave 2. We just got back from a trip through southern California, Vegas, Zion a Tahoe. Temps were around 110-116 w a few days at 118F. Way too hot for us. Van is insulated (roof, sides). Used Vanmade Gear window covers. We found the Wave 2 could never really cool the inside of the van as it couldn’t take the hot air out fast enough. Also, like a heat pump, it collects and sends the hot air out. However, the hoses they provide, radiate so much heat which just contributes to the existing heat in the van. Think these units work best in mild climates (mid to high 60s - low 80s). Were now looking at the cruise n comfort units.
Definitely subscribing! Very professional review. I just got the wave 2 for $909 on amazon prime day. Will be using/testing it in my Four Wheel Camper, powered by bed of F-150 Lightning. I’m sure it will do fine.
I love my Zerobreeze. We chose it over the ecoflow exclusively for the power draw. We use it mostly off grid in our 20’ sailboat in the Florida keys. The eco mode cools our cabin nicely, even during our VERY hot, humid summers. It only draws an average of 160w when its working hard. That low draw gives us a few extra nights on the water using only our 3k WH bank.
I bought a wave 2 last year. Your review seems accurate. I didn’t want to deal with installation of more batteries and a 12 volt rooftop. While I don’t regret the purchase, it really only cools my insulated Promaster about 12 degrees (at night with insulated covers on windows and cab curtained off.). I did buy an extended tube and using that to keep the air blowing directly on me makes it very comfortable. Others have criticized your test for running these units at max, but honestly it just won’t cool on eco mode (unless it is cool outside and you just don’t want to use your fans). I don’t travel that much in hot areas. My workaround is to recharge that battery while driving. But really like almost all RV AC’s, you need AC power because the battery won’t last a full night even on eco mode. It is important to insulate the exhaust tubing! And you are some kind of wizard at setup. That is what I hate..lugging that 40 lbs. from back and up the steps, placing the window plate and dealing with the hoses. On my best day it is 7 minutes. If/when I need a next van, I will look into a 12 volt rooftop or mini split with a bigger battery bank.
I have 2 fans on my rig, and honestly 95% of situations I find myself in running those on a circulation mode with the windows cracked can get the space very comfy. I live in the desert, so my van is designed to get me away from the 120 degree heat. Anything 90ish and below my fans do the job. But like you said, this unit is great for taking the edge off by having cold air blow directly on you. There are certainly tons of great and affordable roof top solutions now which make something like this obsolete moving forward....if you absolutely need ac
Im gettin the EcoFlow for sure, this in combination with my Jackery 2000 and solar, its an easy choice for my van. Also, in SoCal, its cold and hot, the zero breeze doesnt have a heater function. Peace. Awesome video!!!!
I think I'll just stick to my key fob turning my SUV on for 15 minutes when I get hot. Then turn it off when it gets really cool inside. That seems to work very well for me. Im a good sleeper and a quick 15 min wake up is ok with me to stay cool the rest of my night. So before I go to bed, I drive around blasting the rear a/c on. Then set up my Ryobi fan aiming upwards to provide air flow. If I get too hot I wake up and turn on my car with my keyfob. When its cool again. I turn the car off and Im off to DREAMLAND again.
Hey, very nice review, especially considering that you purchased them with your own money:) For $100 more on the Eco Flow, you get almost twice the capacity in cooling, along with heating as it really is closer to a heat pump for your home. Also, having a built in solar charge controller means you really don't need to carry an additional power station with you (although the weight of their 400 watt panel is more than your Jackery explorer 1000!!).
One advantage for the ecoflow is you can use the battery with a Delta 2 for example. So when adding a Delta 2 additional 1kWh of battery cost more than the 1.1kWh battery of the Wave 2, and you can use the Delta 2 to charge AND power the Wave2, it all come out to be a great combo... (I think anyway), but they are still really expensive for much low power units.
You should compare the Bougerv with the Zero breeze. My bougerv portable did a fantastic job cooling down my 5x8 cargo trailer,but I wouldn’t ask it to cool down a space larger than that. Also the bougerv doesn’t use an external battery bank you simply plug it into a solar generator. The bougerv also puts out 2900 btu compared to the 2300 from Zero breeze. And the bougerv is 999 bux. I think you can use the Zero breeze as a heater by simply hosing out the heater duct,,you can do that with the bougerv
I guess this is like comparing a small power station to a beast of a power station. I pick the more powerful product that also has self evap tech with more than double the btu's. Oh and the heater is a great bonus. I pick the Wave 2. This will also come in handy at home during a power outage.
Initially leaning towards the wave at first, but I think I’ll end up going with the zero breeze. Do a lot of tent camping and already have a Jackery with solar. Makes camping in humid Florida summers 100x easier.
I will caution you that you better have an insulated tent or at very least get it in the shade. I’m in Texas and I tried out the Wave 2 in a bare tent in the Texas sun and there is no way it could keep up. The ZeroBreeze would have even less of a chance.
@@stacycarr1349 it’s got decent insulation, it’s got a super thick rain fly that takes most the Florida sun, and an inner tent ceiling that stays near ambient.
@@legostarwarsrulezI’m in Louisiana an I use the zero breeze 2 with its battery also paired with the Bluetti AC200P an 4 of the PV200 panels. An I definitely need to pick up an actual insulated tent. But the few times I did use it with a standard tent. What I did was bring along a few moving blankets. An cut slits in the blanket an threw over the tent. So the clips for the poles could go through it. An had the moving blankets over the tent for some form of insulation. Between the rain fly. An made sure I was u see a tree. During the day it was fine. Just had to use the hose to blow at us if was in it. But when it got darker. It was comfortable an cool. But a true insulated tent would of definitely been the way to go an probably would of made a big difference
@@stacycarr1349 I think people should insulate everything in their entire lives. This should be a no-brainer. Everything humanly possible that exists should be insulated. There is no downside to insulation when you are running an air conditioner/keeping warm.
@@AquaTech225 screw an insulated tent, just buy actual reflective/reflectix insulation and put it over the tent, insulated tent will just be prone to mildew or mold if you are buying down and if you are buying polyester insulation it is absolutely horrible compared to air bubble or foam insulation. Air bubble insulation will be both lighter weight and exponentially more efficient as well as reflect the heat which is a huge part of insulation, considering most tans are a dark color that will heat up incredibly just out of principle
Excellent & thorough review. Thanks for sharing🌟 Wave is a clear winner for me. l intend to build box on side of tiny house to reduce noise & give full access.. kinda half in, half out & insulate set up... l have to give that more thought 🤔🌻
The EcoFlow is a heat pump. Just like most houses have. Mine has been at my buddy’s house since his AC went out. Wave 2 got his room which is about 400sqft from 97 to 81 during the day. And it gets it down in the 60s at night.
Thanks for this review...i have decided to get the Zero Mark 2 because of portability and I am able to use my Jackery 1000E with it and the Mark2 consumes only 240bwatts. Who the heck wants to lug around 60lbs for the Eco2 that consumed wayyyy more watts. No brainer here. Your video showed the van temperature dropped to 72 degree in 95 degree using the Mark2 heat is wonderful. I have a sedan so that's gonna dropped it down to 67 to 68 degree in 100 degree heat!
I just watched this video and was thinking the same thing. I don't understand why someone would be pulling intake from the outside (hot) air instead of recycling the cooling air inside the van, camper, trailer, etc.... I assume if you have a short distance for the exhaust hose so as to not have it as a heat vessel inside of the van and you are circulating the cooling air in the vehicle, things should work well....or at least better????
It's great to see a comparison between the Zero Breeze Mark 2 and the Wave 2. Many reviews only focus on one product, which doesn't give a fair comparison. I ultimately decided to go with the zero breeze, and it's been working great so far! It's much lighter and more compact, making it super convenient. I can power it with my Jackery power station. Convenience is very important for me. The wave 2 had to be recharged with the whole unit, which was a bit of a hassle. And it is not easy to carry on with that design.
Terrific comparison. I am looking for a small sailboat (25’) A/C and dehumidification system for at the dock and at anchor. Thanks for the information.
I also own both of these. I l’ve been using ZeroBreese Mk II for my over landing trips in small SUV successfully (I have to use the foam cutouts that they provide as part of the box as window inserts). ZB is definitely not doing much in 115F heat in the 144 Sprinter, cuz it is close to 66 sq ft. This is when I had to put it to the test in SLC last summer, trying to work remotely in the van during kids’ soccer camp. I hope Wave 2 will perform better under similar conditions in the van. The battery doesn’t last that long in HP mode. I plan to use it with my EF DeltaPro, but it sucks that I had to purchase more cables and adapters from EF in order for this setup to work. Overall, this is powerful setup, but also the most expensive.
@@rileyclarkfineart SLC last summer was one extreme way to test my ZeroBreeze 😀. Now I know it’s limitations. I have one roof fan in my sprinter, but it is currently suffering from “Maxx Air green light of death” on higher RPMs (an effect of voltage drop due to length of wire). But if I use both ZB MkII vented into the open roof fan and Wave 2 vented into the passenger window with TerraWagen insert - I can potentially beat any heat wave. In my normal life I tend to gravitate to either the mountains or the coast for camping in the summer and just having one roof fan is enough. As for solar - that is still in plans (that is why I saved some real estate on the roof by not installing the second roof fan. Now I can fit one 400W industrial grade panel plus couple of skinny ones to each side of the fan.
Very nice review and presentation. I need to work out of a van in summer, often 115 F and in winter often -25 F. The Wave 2 looks like it does the best of what I need for both. 60 AMPS to charge it concerns me. I have only 15 AMP and 20 AMP breakers at home and 30 AMP shore power hook up so charging may not work for me.
I'm not going to try and sound like am electrician, but this was 60amps from my 12v dc battery bank. The 120 ac current would be different but my system isn't measuring that. I only have 20 amp breakers on my ac panel and no issues charging.
The EcoFlow Wave 2 battery can be charged independently from an EcoFlow power bank. So, conceivably you could buy an extra battery and run it while charging the other one if you have an EcoFlow power bank.
Thanks. Best review of Ecoflow Wave 2, believe it or not. Irrespective of whatever that other unit was. 😂 I’m looking for backup cooling AND heating of a single modest size room for emergency use in a grid down situation. So Wave 2 it is!
I think the reaspm that the Wave 2 did not push 65° air in your tent test is because it generally pushes way more air volume than the ZBM2 . More air pushed means more power needed to cool to 65° , but that also means that "more cool air" gets delivered to your tent overall. It would have been an interesting point of info , if you for example took some temperature readings with a thermometer from different corners of the tent after X amount of time
I would agree, I have a Wave 2 and have been trying it in different scenarios. Putting it on “Max” setting actually causes the air volume to go up but it does increase the output temperature as well. If you only want to focus on the coldest output temperature, don’t use the Max setting.
I was going to guess that the reason it wasn’t cooling to 65 with the unit outside the tent was because of the darker color air hose retaining heat from the sun and warming air as it travels into the tent. This compared to the white tube of the other one might make a slight difference. It seemed to cool to 65 just fine when moved inside.
@@KorraTheFrenchie The temperature sensor is on the outlet of the machine, so before the hose. Yes, a darker hose might absorb more energy from the sun shining on it, but I would guess that this effect would be negligible. Also would not change the temperature the sensor at the outlet sees. And cooling down to 65 inside the tent also makes perfect sense, because there it is recirculating the cooled down air further and further as time goes on. Outside it uses warm, outside air, cools it down and pushes it inside. Here, the volume of air moved is important. The slower the fan goes, the "cooler" the air will be that gets pushed because it gets more time to cool down inside the evaporator of the AC unit. But also less air volume will arrive inside the tent, so potentially less cooling effect overall In the tent, it uses already cooled-down air and cools it down even further.
My ecoflow puts out about 65° in 106-degree weather also do not use the large vent in the tent setup so you can recirculate the cold air and the unit will work a lot more efficient.
I'm interested in seeing it too! The mark 2 does heat...but not really IMO. The Mark 3 needs to add it in or the price point needs to shift if they are to compete with wave moving forward.
Expensive toys.....for RVers, getting an off-brand 2000w Inverter generator and a portable 5000 BTU AC unit "on wheels" is a much better value, has much more flexibility for home use during a power outage etc and will last for years...while these delicate toys will age quickly and require replacement batteries...if they are still in business in the next couple of years.
@@Trainwhrek Tacklife 2200w Inv/Gen and a SoleUSair 5000 BTU portable AC unit. Bought them as Refurbs about 3 years ago...total cost including power strips and extension cords: $800. The best part is they are small and light enough to place almost anywhere. There are more (even better) options available today. Anyway, lots of use here in Hurricane Florida. During power-outs, I used the Genny during the day to run my Chest Freezer, room fans, TV, iPad and phone chargers .... then switch to the A/C at night for comfortable sleep...wash-rinse-repeat for about a week of continuous use. Both are still in perfect working order...waiting for this years "events".
2000 Watts will run a regular 5000 BTU air conditioner for 4 hours. I know. I've tested it with Madea, frigidaire, and other brands. A portable 5000 BTU air conditioner would run Less Than 3 hours because it's using 800 watts per hour. These tiny units are very expensive but the ecoflow is alleged to only use 200 to 300 watts on average with startup surge of 500.
@@macmcleod1188 Gotcha... Thanks! Really didn't wanna shell out a grand for an ac/heater that only works at above 40°. But it's looking that way. I found a refurbished one (with battery) for $999 on their ebay site. But the size/weight and efficiency can't seem to be beat here. I kinda have a feeling having to heat myself won't really be problem going forward, but let's see. Edit... Oh damn they have it for 899 for the holiday!!
I would hope that of the two back vents one is an intake and the other an exhaust so the units aren’t cooling the condensers with cool air they just used energy to cool rather than using the temperature differential between the condenser and the outside air.
I just watched this video and was thinking the same thing. I don't understand why someone would be pulling intake from the outside (hot) air instead of recycling the cooling air inside the van, camper, trailer, etc.... I assume if you have a short distance for the exhaust hose so as to not have it as a heat vessel inside of the van and you are circulating the cooling air in the vehicle, things should work well....or at least better????
The only similar one I can find that is comparable is the bougeRV one. There is no chance it competes against the wave 2 with the btu rating it has, but could maybe hold up in certain circumstances against the ZB. The ZB3 is in the works and trying to get my hands on one for some testing. Let me know what you would like to see tested and I'll see what I can do!
Great review. Question.... What about drainage on the EcoFlow 2 when you used it inside the tent? Did you need to drain that out or into a container of some sort?
Honestly in the desert climate, I very rarely found myself needing to drain it at all. It does have a drain tube it comes with and the app/device will warn you when it's time to drain it. It needs gravity to drain tho, so either you need to pick it up and drain it, or have it sitting up so it has somewhere to flow.
Does the Zero Breeze heat as well? If it doesn't then I think the Zero would be half the machine that the Wave 2 is. When you can heat and cool you have much more utility. Also did you buy the battery with the Wave 2? I hear that it uses less when it's directly DC as opposed to using your Jackery's AC outlet which would be less efficient. Otherwise a fine review and thx for the real world tent testing. Both seem like good products.
Not sure why none of you testers ever use the intake hose inside of the tent/car etc instead of running it outside. If you run it inside it acts as a recirculating scenario just like your car. It is a lot more efficient and faster for it to cool the interior air rather than trying to cool down the blistering constant exterior ambient temperature. Make sense? So why not test it like that?
I thought the same but then I read a comment which changed my mind a bit. The comment mentioned that because you exhaust hot air outside the vehicle you automatically will draw new air (to equalize the pressue in the cabin) from the outside. This "fresh" air would come from outside finding its way through all the little gaps from our vehicle. Now, if your vehicle is out in the sun and heated up, then you would negate the benefit of recirculating the cooler inside air. Different story at night time though where the vehicle should have cooled down enough. Sooo ... it depends?
Your video confused me. In the tent test you say that the small one cooled the tent? And in the van it didn't cool the van? I would think that with the van having insulation and fans to push out hot air, it would work more in the van than in the tent.
I think more what I felt is that in the tent I could feel the cooling effect in all areas of the tent since it was smaller, making the space comfortable. In the van I had ro be right next to the unit and the effects felt minimal. Moving air makes things feel cooler, and in the tent I could feel the moving air more. The temperature might not have changed much (didn't measure that), but the comfortability was increased.
Im a sailboat camper. I have my own 12v 200amp battery setup with 400 watts of solar. Can these units run off an external dc source without the manufacturer battery? Im more interested in the after sundown or a 8 hour power consumption. I understand my humidity will be a big factor i will have to deal with.Thank you.
To my knowledge, no it cannot run off of dc power without the battery. It can run a fan, but for it to run the ac or heat pump it needs the battery plugged in or the 120 ac cable. Essentially the 12v source will act as a charger for the battery. Probably would run down the battery faster than it charges, but definitely would prolong the life of the battery.
I ended up going with the zero breeze 2. If you know how to work with its 2300btu limitations. An for like a tent. Either insulate it the best you can. I did with 3 moving blankets between the tent and rain fly. An under a shaded area. It did decent. Later in the evening an night. It got good comfortable an cool. I’m the good Louisiana heat/humidity. I have it with the battery pack. But also pair it together with the Bluetti AC200P and 4 of their PV200 solar panels. With 50’ of solar panel extension cords. To be able to keep the solar generator in the tent to stay cool, while having enough cord to be able to have the panels anywhere needed for the sun. An I want to say the battery for the zero breeze is 750 or what Wh. An the Bluetti AC200P is 2,000Wh. So between the two. I can basically run it on high the entire night an even with the solar panels say bringing in even 500watts of solar. I’m still bringing enough in to run the AC if needed. An still build up the battery bank some. Vs had I went with the Wave 2 it would have to stay in eco mode. An still burn more juice. An being in less from the panels due to what it consumes. So the breeze works great if you know it’s limitations. An capitalize on what it can do. It’s easier on the power. An still does wonders getting keeping it cool. Without dumping a lot more money into it all. I wouldn’t be able to keep up with the Wave 2’s consumption an would have a lot more downtime without air in more cloudy days. I do like the wave 2 though for its extra btu’s. Just not willing for the moment to drop a bunch more dough into for now since this setup has been working fantastic
The Wave 2 should get an extra point because it's also a heater. And if you are already part of the EcoFlow user base (ie own a solar generator) keeping it charged may not be an issue.
you would greatly improve your cooling in the van if you insulated the exhaust pipes. or bring them closer to the window. this is the downside to portable units. the exhaust pipes increase the temp within the space it serves. try wrapping a towel around the exhaust pipe see how much better it will get. also the tent set up i would hope you had your screens closed. the b roll you shot shows the screen covers off allowing hot air to enter and cool air to leave. i appreciate the effort you put into this video and its quite informative. it helps make my decision. im an ecoflow nut. i own (3) 2000w power inverters so expanding on their systems seems logical but damm soooooooo expensive.
You forgot to factor in the Wave 2's heater in the comparison scoring. If connected to a campground with a power outlet, it can handle duties all year round.
How would the wave 2 do as a AC unit for a golf cart? I know its open so it wouldn't stay consistently cold. But if it pushed 70 degree air on two passangers in 95 degree heat. That would keep someone comfortable.
I would honestly go for a unit like the zero breeze for a golf cart. The Wave 2 would be difficult to fit. Yes, it could push cold air so it would provide some relief, but the hassle of that size unit might not be worth it. The ZB would do the same thing in this case and would probably be better because of the size and portability. I would look at the new handheld unit from Icybreeze. A lot cheaper, and would solve your problem better I would think.
The Wave 2 is a mini split or a heat pump and it does heat also which I don't think you mentioned that. The Wave 2 side by side is a superior unit there's no comparison. It can heat an area using very low wattage.
Great demonstration. I’m looking for a solution for my truck camper. I’d prefer not to run my propane powered generator because of the noise factor. It will run my 1,100 watt ac unit… but the noise is loud enough that I can only sleep with ear plugs. Not a good solution.
Not mentioned is that the Zero Breeze runs on 24V. So the snapshot of your Victron app when connected to your van battery bank was representative of what? It was either inverted using an AC cord OR you used a 12v to 24v DC converter. I'm interested to know which one. Thanks.
The answer is really it depends....How insulated is your van? Can your van's onboard AC actually cool your space? If so, yeah then I think this could work. Our van doesn't do a very good job of cooling the entire vehicle down from the dash AC so hard for me to give you an accurate answer on my end.
Gotta give the wave 2 another point because it's a heater. I understand a lot of people don't cold weather camp but for those who do not you don't have to buy and take up space with a Chinese diesel heater.
I'd maybe look at sectioning off the hot air somehow from the cold air. To be honest, I put it in my small 8x10 office sometimes with nothing on and just have the unit sitting aways from me so all that I feel is the cold air and it does good enough! Obviously venting the heat is the best option, but there are some work arounds you can probably find!
The eco flow is just better on every level.. its been an awesome product for me, i use it to supplement my RVs A/C when it's 100f out and i need a little extra , it works in my trucks tooper to keep the digs cool when traveling or camping, i can use it to cool my bedroom at night so i dont have to cool the entire house.. its just a beast of a unit ✌️
I didn't realize it until I made the comparison, but man, the Wave 2 is way bigger than the Mark 2! Personally, I think the Mark 2 is more portable and better suited for my camping tent. Plus, it's got this super cool, unique look that I'm really diggin'!
So I'm wondering more about the Wave 2 and its ability to heat also because you did mention that it does but did nothing to show how well it does it? Considering it as a potential minor heat source rather than building a complete heating system because I don't want to Winter camp but may need to pull the chill out now and then with traveling in our pop-up truck camper???
I tested the heater function this winter in a tent, and it did an OK job. I'm used to using my diesel heater, and I personally find myself in cooler climates camping more than in warmer weather. That diesel heater is AMAZING and I personally wont be switching so I didn't do much more testing with the wave 2. I imagine in an insulated structure it will perform much better though. The canvas tent I used in this video was the same one I tested the heater this winter with in about 36 degree weather. For what you are needing, it wouldn't hurt that's for sure!
@@rileyclarkfineart So you think it would be good for a pop up truck topper, like an overland camper, or I should move towards a more dedicated heater like yours? Purchasing a TUNE M1 Camper/topper. Thanks!!! John
If you have the space, the wave 2 will be the better choice. Even though these regions are super dry, they do get very hot so you will probably be running the unit on max a lot. So I would consider a way to drain the unit when the time comes ( I use a bowl or just run the hose outside the van then drain it). I haven't personally tested it running it off the 12v cord though. I've read some blogs and articles saying it isn't as powerful/effective running just off of that. So you might have to still get the battery, but with you being able to run your truck to charge it, you should be solid. I would also get some 12v or battery powered fans to move the air around if you don't already. Proper circulation helps a ton!
I have a pop up slide in truck camper. I can draw a curtain for the bed area over the cab of truck. The sleeping area is 30 inches tall, 7 foot wide, and 5 foot deep. Would zero breeze be good enough for that small area?
This is exactly the setup the ZeroBreeze is built for IMO. They are also releasing a new model soon, so keep an eye on that. But the compact size and weight will make it a lot easier to move around inside of a truck camper. I would vent out a window or something and then use the extender tube to push the cold air inside from behind the curtain. It may not freeze you out, but should take the edge off
No, not off that alone. You would get roughly an hours worth of use with that power set up. I use the solar panels to keep the unit charged up during the day and the battery then gets me roughly 6 hours at night unless on eco mode.
I am a mailman in south Florida. I have been wanting info on both these products!! Thank you very much!
It was 102° in my mail truck yesterday :/
If you get one. Let us know how it works out!
I am a mailman too and I am here for that too lol...
Pkg delivery here also lol
@@emerson00745 huh….. the product works great for about 10min then the ice melts and it doesn’t cool. And that’s expected but didn’t think it would be so quick…
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Great review…but no mention that the EcoWave 2 is a heat pump. That is why it can heat and cool a space. This is very important and was not really covered in your review. Deserts can become very cold at night and blistering hot during the day. Also, if you operate in recycle mode (intake comes from the room you are targeting) the unit will work faster. I see no need to suck in outside air. Although the Wave 2 is bigger, the BTUs are too. I use an Anker Powerhouse with the EcoFlow. I can output 120 VAC to Wave for a very fast recharge or DC out if no rush. The double handle is a plus for heavier Wave. In van, I use ceiling exhaust fan for ejecting exhaust air. The Wave also provides a water drain tube but only needed if moving after running a few hours. The Wave mists the moisture from condensation and blows it back into the coils to improve cooling.
@@rileyclarkfineart I bought a diesel heater that is portable for same reason. But, I doubt I will use it now that I have the Wave 2. I prefer to put up a canvas tent if staying a few days. I usually sleep in van but like option of more living space. I like to carry lots of sporting gear for hunting, fishing and photography. I built my van for utility vs cosmetics and convenience. You and your dad do great work. What did you get for this van? I see it was sold.
Aren't they both heat pumps? Can't you just run the Zero Breeze backwards and point the exhaust into the space to heat? Comparing to house AC, the EcoWave 2 would be called a "reverse cycle" AC (at least this is the term in Australia). Of course you won't get thermostat controls running backwards e.g. duty cycle off when temp reached, but it's so portable that it would be super easy to do.
@@rninnessthe ecoflow Wave 2, is a real ac and a real heater, not just heat pumps. Mine should arrive this week.
I dont know anything about the other one. Just watched a ton of excellent video reviews, about the Wave 2 & everyone said the Ecoflow is the only one like it, within this portable category. That justifies the size & weight difference, between these two.
Mark 3 Zero Breeze unit appears to have cooling and heating. It also appears to have same run time despite being more powerful than Mark 2.
I have the Wave 2 and haven't used the heater yet, as I got it this spring. I use it in my bedroom at home and run just the exhaust hose and drain hose out the window. Like you said, no sense in sucking in outside air. I did notice the exhaust hose gets hot, so I slipped a knitted tube on it. I do like the little remote.
One is portable; one is movable.
Wave 2 being a heater as well as ac is a no brainer
Mark 3 has a heater feature so check that one out
And you don't need to drain the wave 2 unless it is very humid outside as it has self evaporating technology. No brainer.
@@shanecynova2424 The btu's still fall far short of the wave 2.
@@irenebrice133 the zero brezze using 17 amps, while wave2 use 40 amps, no brainer which one is most cooling
Thank you for this Non-Biased review. Hard to find these anymore...
Non-biased... he got both for free and has an affiliate link... he dosnt care which one you buy... either youre a bot or a shill
@ahahahahahaahah) In the beginning of the video he claims he bought both of them, by purchasing them that implies he did not get them for free and therfore his review would be non biased. Maybe since you didn't watch the video you were confused.
Maybe he bought them, but he has affiliate links... use your brain
You missed the best feature of the wave 2 by not measuring the power draw in DC mode which cuts the power draw in half with the same performance as 110 AC power. You can run this 24/7 with a 400 watt panel for free
Thanks Brother i dont have to watch it now!!!
Takes 25 minutes for him to finally get to the point. I can’t subscribe to the nonsense.
I don't even have a battery. 400 amp batteries and 500 Solar. Seal off bed in Transit and it's very nice. Other unit to big for me
Well thought out and nicely done comparison. I also appreciate the fact that you made us aware that you did purchase both units.
You just earned another subscriber‼️😉😎
Thanks for doing all this work for us. I was leaning towards the zero, now I’m all for the wave.
Cools my entire basement & fixed my moisture issue! Love it
Which one?
Awesome review, thanks. Just bought the Wave 2 and battery. Were in Australia so needed a bit extra grunt for the hot summers and also liked that its a heater too.
What's the pros and cons
I understand that this is an AC vs review but I think given the price point of each, the Wave 2 can also be used as a heater, which eliminates another space taking device and/or removing the whole diesel/gas heater you would have to have otherwise. I realize this would apply more to a Van lifer in most cases but I feel like it should be mentioned. Regardless I really appreciate your AC battle , keep up the good work! Thanks!
Yes, a heating element is a nice little bonus but it’s so absolutely wasteful, but I don’t really see a use for it… as always the best heating solution is more insulation in whatever place you are staying at and even better, warmer clothes? If you have to be some super bougie high class rich guy, then I guess you could just run a propane heater with a Mr. buddy it’s a lot more efficient and a lot less annoying than having to power 1500 watt heating element to get subpar/mediocre heating.
The heating function is kind of a novelty/gimmick. This is a very efficient, portable solution, but not some insanely thirsty thing you have to run off a generator, there are better solutions for that that provide more heat/more cold.
I guess I just find it kind of strange how people are trying to live a simpler/more efficient lifestyle where they don’t blow as much money/time, but then they try to spend as much money as they can, when they are living a simpler lifestyle, which one is it?
@@rileyclarkfineart I would recommend the smallest Mr. buddy you can find it and a 20 pound propane tank I had a regular Mr. buddy in my 31 foot rig, on the lowest setting, it would make me sweat in 0° weather and a 20 pound tank would last me like 1-2 weeks running 12 hr a day, it’s a miracle o.o I did this for several years and was always surprised a little the cost was to heat the entire rig. It cost me like 60 bucks of propane a month. For your little van, I would recommend the smallest little buddy you can because the bigger ones are actually a little bit too hot even on the lowest setting, and I can also verify that they are very very safe. I have slept with them on accident turned on with the windows completely shut and I woke up feeling fine Although I wouldn’t recommend it at all!
@@ZxAMobile Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think the EcoWave has a traditional heating element. It uses the same principle when cooling to heat, just in reverse. When cooling it's acting as an Air Conditioner when heating it's acting as a heat pump. The energy usage to heat would be roughly the same at cooling.
@@rninness that would be incredible however I find it hard to see how it would create that heat in a very cold environment the heat pump simply pulls hot air that is already in the environment out of the environment if you don't have hot air to begin with where is it pulling it out of and if it is not pulling it from anywhere it would have to generate it and generating heat with electricity is extremely resource-intensive and there is no way to efficiently do it
@@ZxAMobile You put in 1000 watt and get out 4000 watt in heat. (A very simple explanation. Less effective when its below freezing.)
The Zero Breeze isn't over priced. Eco Flow is undercutting the price of the Wave 2 because they know you have to buy their power banks if you want to power it with DC power. It's like they're selling a printer for dirt cheap then getting you on ink.
That's not entirely true. Any power bank that delivers 12v pure sign wave power will work. Also, there's a bonus that the Wave gives that the Zero Breeze doesn't. I can also be used as a heater.
@@rapmeister1000so can the zero breeze just use the exhaust hoses there are threads on people doing it
@@neoskater420 below a certain temp, that’s not going to work because there will be no warm air to exhaust. The Wave has a dedicated heating element.
@@rapmeister1000that is nonsense lmao. Wtf is 12v pure sine power ? You do know that dc isn’t a wave at all right ?
@@Jack-ht5zi hahahah 12v pure sine power ahahaha
This comparison really helped me inch toward a decision. Thank you for breaking things down in your tests, and breaking down who they would be best for. Really lays things out for the spectrum of outdoor needs, comfort, and setups. Just subscribed!
Great honest Video! Earned a subscriber. Keep up that great videos.
Omg thank goodness for the window flap that holds the exhaust pipe in place. Wow!
I got the EcoFlow Wave 2 because it has both heat and ac, I'm putting it in my cargo camper I'm putting together. Thanks for the info on both units.
Good luck on the build! I am working on a testing for the heater function for the wave 2. I use a diesel heater system for my van which will be hard for it to beat, but looking forward to seeing how it performs!
Thank you, I think the Wave 2 is a safe way to stay warm or cool @@rileyclarkfineart
The problem is that everyone is comparing them. One is 2300 btu, other 5000+. Both are movable, both are battery powered, same thing. Its like comparing a 5000 btu window ac to a 10,000 btu window ac and saying the 10,000 is better because it cools my house in 105deg weather better. Well, ya, it will. Great review, the comments are the fun part. PS, zero breeze is working on a slightly larger, but still under 20lb 5,000 btu model with heat.
Exactly what I needed to know! Time to save up around 5 k for the batteries and air conditioner and solar panel.
Great review, I went with the ecoflow, got it with a sale from REI. Greetings from LV area as well, cheers!
What did you end up getting it for?
That's awesome! Good luck this camping season!
The Wave 2 has a design flaw in that all of the condensate is not collected in the tank. Every time I tested my unit significant amounts of water would leak from the bottom of unit once I moved it. Not good in a van. I returned it.
We have the Wave 2. We just got back from a trip through southern California, Vegas, Zion a Tahoe. Temps were around 110-116 w a few days at 118F. Way too hot for us. Van is insulated (roof, sides). Used Vanmade Gear window covers. We found the Wave 2 could never really cool the inside of the van as it couldn’t take the hot air out fast enough. Also, like a heat pump, it collects and sends the hot air out. However, the hoses they provide, radiate so much heat which just contributes to the existing heat in the van. Think these units work best in mild climates (mid to high 60s - low 80s). Were now looking at the cruise n comfort units.
Definitely subscribing! Very professional review. I just got the wave 2 for $909 on amazon prime day. Will be using/testing it in my Four Wheel Camper, powered by bed of F-150 Lightning. I’m sure it will do fine.
I’m looking to do the same in my FWC Hawk. How about an update please?
Also, where did you run out the hoses?
I love my Zerobreeze. We chose it over the ecoflow exclusively for the power draw. We use it mostly off grid in our 20’ sailboat in the Florida keys. The eco mode cools our cabin nicely, even during our VERY hot, humid summers. It only draws an average of 160w when its working hard. That low draw gives us a few extra nights on the water using only our 3k WH bank.
That's awesome! The power draw on the ZB is definitely a positive. I'm personally looking forward to the mark 3 model they are working on!
@@rileyclarkfineart It's nice, but we passed on it for the same reason. Increased power draw.
I’m really surprised that the Wave 2 doesn’t have a soft start feature. 63 amps is a lot at start.
I bought a wave 2 last year. Your review seems accurate. I didn’t want to deal with installation of more batteries and a 12 volt rooftop. While I don’t regret the purchase, it really only cools my insulated Promaster about 12 degrees (at night with insulated covers on windows and cab curtained off.). I did buy an extended tube and using that to keep the air blowing directly on me makes it very comfortable. Others have criticized your test for running these units at max, but honestly it just won’t cool on eco mode (unless it is cool outside and you just don’t want to use your fans). I don’t travel that much in hot areas. My workaround is to recharge that battery while driving. But really like almost all RV AC’s, you need AC power because the battery won’t last a full night even on eco mode. It is important to insulate the exhaust tubing! And you are some kind of wizard at setup. That is what I hate..lugging that 40 lbs. from back and up the steps, placing the window plate and dealing with the hoses. On my best day it is 7 minutes. If/when I need a next van, I will look into a 12 volt rooftop or mini split with a bigger battery bank.
I have 2 fans on my rig, and honestly 95% of situations I find myself in running those on a circulation mode with the windows cracked can get the space very comfy. I live in the desert, so my van is designed to get me away from the 120 degree heat. Anything 90ish and below my fans do the job. But like you said, this unit is great for taking the edge off by having cold air blow directly on you. There are certainly tons of great and affordable roof top solutions now which make something like this obsolete moving forward....if you absolutely need ac
Im gettin the EcoFlow for sure, this in combination with my Jackery 2000 and solar, its an easy choice for my van. Also, in SoCal, its cold and hot, the zero breeze doesnt have a heater function. Peace. Awesome video!!!!
You have been the best video explaining zero breeze vs eco flow
Well ......
I think I'll just stick to my key fob turning my SUV on for 15 minutes when I get hot. Then turn it off when it gets really cool inside. That seems to work very well for me. Im a good sleeper and a quick 15 min wake up is ok with me to stay cool the rest of my night. So before I go to bed, I drive around blasting the rear a/c on. Then set up my Ryobi fan aiming upwards to provide air flow. If I get too hot I wake up and turn on my car with my keyfob. When its cool again. I turn the car off and Im off to DREAMLAND again.
Hey, very nice review, especially considering that you purchased them with your own money:) For $100 more on the Eco Flow, you get almost twice the capacity in cooling, along with heating as it really is closer to a heat pump for your home. Also, having a built in solar charge controller means you really don't need to carry an additional power station with you (although the weight of their 400 watt panel is more than your Jackery explorer 1000!!).
One advantage for the ecoflow is you can use the battery with a Delta 2 for example. So when adding a Delta 2 additional 1kWh of battery cost more than the 1.1kWh battery of the Wave 2, and you can use the Delta 2 to charge AND power the Wave2, it all come out to be a great combo... (I think anyway), but they are still really expensive for much low power units.
Thanks for information! I think you should give two points for van cooling...because main reason for buying them is cooling!
@@rileyclarkfineart I have ordered wave 2 without battery but with delta 2 max.Planing to use it in the semi truck. What do you think?
So you are saying it cooled the tent but not the van how does that work
You should compare the Bougerv with the Zero breeze. My bougerv portable did a fantastic job cooling down my 5x8 cargo trailer,but I wouldn’t ask it to cool down a space larger than that. Also the bougerv doesn’t use an external battery bank you simply plug it into a solar generator. The bougerv also puts out 2900 btu compared to the 2300 from Zero breeze. And the bougerv is 999 bux. I think you can use the Zero breeze as a heater by simply hosing out the heater duct,,you can do that with the bougerv
I guess this is like comparing a small power station to a beast of a power station. I pick the more powerful product that also has self evap tech with more than double the btu's. Oh and the heater is a great bonus. I pick the Wave 2. This will also come in handy at home during a power outage.
Initially leaning towards the wave at first, but I think I’ll end up going with the zero breeze. Do a lot of tent camping and already have a Jackery with solar. Makes camping in humid Florida summers 100x easier.
I will caution you that you better have an insulated tent or at very least get it in the shade. I’m in Texas and I tried out the Wave 2 in a bare tent in the Texas sun and there is no way it could keep up. The ZeroBreeze would have even less of a chance.
@@stacycarr1349 it’s got decent insulation, it’s got a super thick rain fly that takes most the Florida sun, and an inner tent ceiling that stays near ambient.
@@legostarwarsrulezI’m in Louisiana an I use the zero breeze 2 with its battery also paired with the Bluetti AC200P an 4 of the PV200 panels.
An I definitely need to pick up an actual insulated tent. But the few times I did use it with a standard tent. What I did was bring along a few moving blankets. An cut slits in the blanket an threw over the tent. So the clips for the poles could go through it. An had the moving blankets over the tent for some form of insulation. Between the rain fly. An made sure I was u see a tree.
During the day it was fine. Just had to use the hose to blow at us if was in it. But when it got darker. It was comfortable an cool.
But a true insulated tent would of definitely been the way to go an probably would of made a big difference
@@stacycarr1349 I think people should insulate everything in their entire lives. This should be a no-brainer. Everything humanly possible that exists should be insulated. There is no downside to insulation when you are running an air conditioner/keeping warm.
@@AquaTech225 screw an insulated tent, just buy actual reflective/reflectix insulation and put it over the tent, insulated tent will just be prone to mildew or mold if you are buying down and if you are buying polyester insulation it is absolutely horrible compared to air bubble or foam insulation.
Air bubble insulation will be both lighter weight and exponentially more efficient as well as reflect the heat which is a huge part of insulation, considering most tans are a dark color that will heat up incredibly just out of principle
Fantastic review/comparison! Thank you! 😊
Excellent & thorough review. Thanks for sharing🌟 Wave is a clear winner for me. l intend to build box on side of tiny house to reduce noise & give full access.. kinda half in, half out & insulate set up... l have to give that more thought 🤔🌻
The EcoFlow is a heat pump. Just like most houses have. Mine has been at my buddy’s house since his AC went out. Wave 2 got his room which is about 400sqft from 97 to 81 during the day. And it gets it down in the 60s at night.
Thanks for this review...i have decided to get the Zero Mark 2 because of portability and I am able to use my Jackery 1000E with it and the Mark2 consumes only 240bwatts. Who the heck wants to lug around 60lbs for the Eco2 that consumed wayyyy more watts. No brainer here. Your video showed the van temperature dropped to 72 degree in 95 degree using the Mark2 heat is wonderful. I have a sedan so that's gonna dropped it down to 67 to 68 degree in 100 degree heat!
The eco2 is heavier but almost double the cooling capacity and the ability to heat also I’ll carry the extra weight
I just watched this video and was thinking the same thing. I don't understand why someone would be pulling intake from the outside (hot) air instead of recycling the cooling air inside the van, camper, trailer, etc.... I assume if you have a short distance for the exhaust hose so as to not have it as a heat vessel inside of the van and you are circulating the cooling air in the vehicle, things should work well....or at least better????
The heating function of the Wave 2 really makes it a APU alternative for semi trucks though
It's great to see a comparison between the Zero Breeze Mark 2 and the Wave 2. Many reviews only focus on one product, which doesn't give a fair comparison. I ultimately decided to go with the zero breeze, and it's been working great so far! It's much lighter and more compact, making it super convenient. I can power it with my Jackery power station. Convenience is very important for me. The wave 2 had to be recharged with the whole unit, which was a bit of a hassle. And it is not easy to carry on with that design.
@@rileyclarkfineart Thank you! Much appreciated!
Which jackery unit do you use?
@@lunationship Jackery Sucks, Buy a Bluetti
how many watts is your power bank you're using
awesome video but I have to point out the closer the exhaust is to the exterior the cooler it will be
Terrific comparison. I am looking for a small sailboat (25’) A/C and dehumidification system for at the dock and at anchor. Thanks for the information.
Glad I saw this was tested in low humidity. This thing would be less useful than a fan here on Gulf Coast! At 90% humidity and 90s on cool summer day!
I also own both of these. I l’ve been using ZeroBreese Mk II for my over landing trips in small SUV successfully (I have to use the foam cutouts that they provide as part of the box as window inserts). ZB is definitely not doing much in 115F heat in the 144 Sprinter, cuz it is close to 66 sq ft. This is when I had to put it to the test in SLC last summer, trying to work remotely in the van during kids’ soccer camp. I hope Wave 2 will perform better under similar conditions in the van. The battery doesn’t last that long in HP mode. I plan to use it with my EF DeltaPro, but it sucks that I had to purchase more cables and adapters from EF in order for this setup to work. Overall, this is powerful setup, but also the most expensive.
@@rileyclarkfineart SLC last summer was one extreme way to test my ZeroBreeze 😀. Now I know it’s limitations. I have one roof fan in my sprinter, but it is currently suffering from “Maxx Air green light of death” on higher RPMs (an effect of voltage drop due to length of wire). But if I use both ZB MkII vented into the open roof fan and Wave 2 vented into the passenger window with TerraWagen insert - I can potentially beat any heat wave.
In my normal life I tend to gravitate to either the mountains or the coast for camping in the summer and just having one roof fan is enough.
As for solar - that is still in plans (that is why I saved some real estate on the roof by not installing the second roof fan. Now I can fit one 400W industrial grade panel plus couple of skinny ones to each side of the fan.
@@rileyclarkfineart Thanks for getting back! I enjoyed the content! Keep it coming.
Very nice review and presentation. I need to work out of a van in summer, often 115 F and in winter often -25 F. The Wave 2 looks like it does the best of what I need for both. 60 AMPS to charge it concerns me. I have only 15 AMP and 20 AMP breakers at home and 30 AMP shore power hook up so charging may not work for me.
I'm not going to try and sound like am electrician, but this was 60amps from my 12v dc battery bank. The 120 ac current would be different but my system isn't measuring that. I only have 20 amp breakers on my ac panel and no issues charging.
Thank you for these reviews.
The EcoFlow Wave 2 battery can be charged independently from an EcoFlow power bank. So, conceivably you could buy an extra battery and run it while charging the other one if you have an EcoFlow power bank.
Thanks. Best review of Ecoflow Wave 2, believe it or not. Irrespective of whatever that other unit was. 😂
I’m looking for backup cooling AND heating of a single modest size room for emergency use in a grid down situation.
So Wave 2 it is!
Hi Riley been watching from Ireland thank you so much my friend.
I have the Ecowave 2 on the way. I hope to test it while there's still some heat left.
How has your experience been so far with the Wave 2? I’m considering buying one for my semi truck
I think the zero Breeze you said call the tent down what it outside where is the other one you had to bring in a tent which would create more noise
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The wave2 can heat too. Nice to have for the cold cold days.
I ordered the eco flow with the battery direct from ecoflow 989 refurbished.
Zero breeze in perfect for truck drivers! Easy to use, lightweight, and a great battery life
Definitely! I have an icy breeze and while it’s a great idea it’s just not practical for using one your truck in a daily basis. Zero breeze is perfect
Have you tried to use it in the truck? Is it sufficient during day time?
I have and it kept me cool all summer. But hold off on buying the 2 because I just saw on their website that a version 3 will be launching soon
Thank you, but this thing about setting up hoses/tubes, I would rather just set up some portable fans.
I turn on the ac during the winter for the noise, I don't want it to be quite lol
I think the reaspm that the Wave 2 did not push 65° air in your tent test is because it generally pushes way more air volume than the ZBM2 .
More air pushed means more power needed to cool to 65° , but that also means that "more cool air" gets delivered to your tent overall.
It would have been an interesting point of info , if you for example took some temperature readings with a thermometer from different corners of the tent after X amount of time
I would agree, I have a Wave 2 and have been trying it in different scenarios. Putting it on “Max” setting actually causes the air volume to go up but it does increase the output temperature as well. If you only want to focus on the coldest output temperature, don’t use the Max setting.
I was going to guess that the reason it wasn’t cooling to 65 with the unit outside the tent was because of the darker color air hose retaining heat from the sun and warming air as it travels into the tent. This compared to the white tube of the other one might make a slight difference. It seemed to cool to 65 just fine when moved inside.
@@KorraTheFrenchie The temperature sensor is on the outlet of the machine, so before the hose. Yes, a darker hose might absorb more energy from the sun shining on it, but I would guess that this effect would be negligible. Also would not change the temperature the sensor at the outlet sees.
And cooling down to 65 inside the tent also makes perfect sense, because there it is recirculating the cooled down air further and further as time goes on. Outside it uses warm, outside air, cools it down and pushes it inside. Here, the volume of air moved is important. The slower the fan goes, the "cooler" the air will be that gets pushed because it gets more time to cool down inside the evaporator of the AC unit. But also less air volume will arrive inside the tent, so potentially less cooling effect overall
In the tent, it uses already cooled-down air and cools it down even further.
My ecoflow puts out about 65° in 106-degree weather also do not use the large vent in the tent setup so you can recirculate the cold air and the unit will work a lot more efficient.
nice comparison, thanks, wonder how the Zero breeze mark3 will do. I think it will do heat too. Its not out yet. Cheers,
I'm interested in seeing it too! The mark 2 does heat...but not really IMO. The Mark 3 needs to add it in or the price point needs to shift if they are to compete with wave moving forward.
Expensive toys.....for RVers, getting an off-brand 2000w Inverter generator and a portable 5000 BTU AC unit "on wheels" is a much better value, has much more flexibility for home use during a power outage etc and will last for years...while these delicate toys will age quickly and require replacement batteries...if they are still in business in the next couple of years.
What ones do you use for your set up?
@@Trainwhrek Tacklife 2200w Inv/Gen and a SoleUSair 5000 BTU portable AC unit. Bought them as Refurbs about 3 years ago...total cost including power strips and extension cords: $800. The best part is they are small and light enough to place almost anywhere. There are more (even better) options available today. Anyway, lots of use here in Hurricane Florida. During power-outs, I used the Genny during the day to run my Chest Freezer, room fans, TV, iPad and phone chargers .... then switch to the A/C at night for comfortable sleep...wash-rinse-repeat for about a week of continuous use. Both are still in perfect working order...waiting for this years "events".
@@goobfilmcast4239 How many watts does the soleusair use?
2000 Watts will run a regular 5000 BTU air conditioner for 4 hours. I know. I've tested it with Madea, frigidaire, and other brands. A portable 5000 BTU air conditioner would run Less Than 3 hours because it's using 800 watts per hour.
These tiny units are very expensive but the ecoflow is alleged to only use 200 to 300 watts on average with startup surge of 500.
@@macmcleod1188 Gotcha... Thanks! Really didn't wanna shell out a grand for an ac/heater that only works at above 40°. But it's looking that way. I found a refurbished one (with battery) for $999 on their ebay site. But the size/weight and efficiency can't seem to be beat here. I kinda have a feeling having to heat myself won't really be problem going forward, but let's see. Edit... Oh damn they have it for 899 for the holiday!!
Thanks man. Decision made
Good luck on your adventures!
Great comparison! What kind of tent is shown in this video? It looks bad ass!
I’m using the wave2 in a studio apartment it works well
It's keeps your apartment cool? So you know the temp it gets to?
I would hope that of the two back vents one is an intake and the other an exhaust so the units aren’t cooling the condensers with cool air they just used energy to cool rather than using the temperature differential between the condenser and the outside air.
I just watched this video and was thinking the same thing. I don't understand why someone would be pulling intake from the outside (hot) air instead of recycling the cooling air inside the van, camper, trailer, etc.... I assume if you have a short distance for the exhaust hose so as to not have it as a heat vessel inside of the van and you are circulating the cooling air in the vehicle, things should work well....or at least better????
Great video. It would be interesting to see a no name brand comparison to these
The only similar one I can find that is comparable is the bougeRV one. There is no chance it competes against the wave 2 with the btu rating it has, but could maybe hold up in certain circumstances against the ZB. The ZB3 is in the works and trying to get my hands on one for some testing. Let me know what you would like to see tested and I'll see what I can do!
Might want to close the doors. That mesh screen is letting air pass.
Will it work in a semi truck in 110F
Great review. Question.... What about drainage on the EcoFlow 2 when you used it inside the tent? Did you need to drain that out or into a container of some sort?
Honestly in the desert climate, I very rarely found myself needing to drain it at all. It does have a drain tube it comes with and the app/device will warn you when it's time to drain it. It needs gravity to drain tho, so either you need to pick it up and drain it, or have it sitting up so it has somewhere to flow.
Does the Zero Breeze heat as well? If it doesn't then I think the Zero would be half the machine that the Wave 2 is. When you can heat and cool you have much more utility. Also did you buy the battery with the Wave 2? I hear that it uses less when it's directly DC as opposed to using your Jackery's AC outlet which would be less efficient. Otherwise a fine review and thx for the real world tent testing. Both seem like good products.
@@rileyclarkfineart Good to know.👍
Can you use the ZeroBreeze for heat if you use the exhaust port instead of the cooling supply?
Not sure why none of you testers ever use the intake hose inside of the tent/car etc instead of running it outside. If you run it inside it acts as a recirculating scenario just like your car. It is a lot more efficient and faster for it to cool the interior air rather than trying to cool down the blistering constant exterior ambient temperature. Make sense? So why not test it like that?
I thought the same but then I read a comment which changed my mind a bit. The comment mentioned that because you exhaust hot air outside the vehicle you automatically will draw new air (to equalize the pressue in the cabin) from the outside. This "fresh" air would come from outside finding its way through all the little gaps from our vehicle. Now, if your vehicle is out in the sun and heated up, then you would negate the benefit of recirculating the cooler inside air. Different story at night time though where the vehicle should have cooled down enough. Sooo ... it depends?
Your video confused me. In the tent test you say that the small one cooled the tent? And in the van it didn't cool the van? I would think that with the van having insulation and fans to push out hot air, it would work more in the van than in the tent.
I think more what I felt is that in the tent I could feel the cooling effect in all areas of the tent since it was smaller, making the space comfortable. In the van I had ro be right next to the unit and the effects felt minimal.
Moving air makes things feel cooler, and in the tent I could feel the moving air more. The temperature might not have changed much (didn't measure that), but the comfortability was increased.
Im a sailboat camper. I have my own 12v 200amp battery setup with 400 watts of solar.
Can these units run off an external dc source without the manufacturer battery?
Im more interested in the after sundown or a 8 hour power
consumption. I understand my humidity will be a big factor i will have to deal with.Thank you.
To my knowledge, no it cannot run off of dc power without the battery. It can run a fan, but for it to run the ac or heat pump it needs the battery plugged in or the 120 ac cable. Essentially the 12v source will act as a charger for the battery. Probably would run down the battery faster than it charges, but definitely would prolong the life of the battery.
I ended up going with the zero breeze 2. If you know how to work with its 2300btu limitations.
An for like a tent. Either insulate it the best you can. I did with 3 moving blankets between the tent and rain fly. An under a shaded area. It did decent. Later in the evening an night. It got good comfortable an cool. I’m the good Louisiana heat/humidity.
I have it with the battery pack. But also pair it together with the Bluetti AC200P and 4 of their PV200 solar panels. With 50’ of solar panel extension cords. To be able to keep the solar generator in the tent to stay cool, while having enough cord to be able to have the panels anywhere needed for the sun.
An I want to say the battery for the zero breeze is 750 or what Wh.
An the Bluetti AC200P is 2,000Wh.
So between the two. I can basically run it on high the entire night an even with the solar panels say bringing in even 500watts of solar. I’m still bringing enough in to run the AC if needed. An still build up the battery bank some. Vs had I went with the Wave 2 it would have to stay in eco mode. An still burn more juice. An being in less from the panels due to what it consumes.
So the breeze works great if you know it’s limitations. An capitalize on what it can do.
It’s easier on the power. An still does wonders getting keeping it cool.
Without dumping a lot more money into it all. I wouldn’t be able to keep up with the Wave 2’s consumption an would have a lot more downtime without air in more cloudy days.
I do like the wave 2 though for its extra btu’s. Just not willing for the moment to drop a bunch more dough into for now since this setup has been working fantastic
great video riley, are they good for balconies?
The wave 2 would definitely be great on a balcony! Especially if it's enclosed somewhat.
Thanks for this review! I’m a new subscriber and look forward to more content from you 👍🏽
The Wave 2 should get an extra point because it's also a heater. And if you are already part of the EcoFlow user base (ie own a solar generator) keeping it charged may not be an issue.
you would greatly improve your cooling in the van if you insulated the exhaust pipes. or bring them closer to the window. this is the downside to portable units. the exhaust pipes increase the temp within the space it serves. try wrapping a towel around the exhaust pipe see how much better it will get. also the tent set up i would hope you had your screens closed. the b roll you shot shows the screen covers off allowing hot air to enter and cool air to leave. i appreciate the effort you put into this video and its quite informative. it helps make my decision. im an ecoflow nut. i own (3) 2000w power inverters so expanding on their systems seems logical but damm soooooooo expensive.
100% agree about the ports. I do cover them now, or I insulate that part of my van with a curtain to cut off the heat.
Thanks for video, it helps in making a call! Side note does charging with solar while running appliances ruin the battery?
You forgot to factor in the Wave 2's heater in the comparison scoring. If connected to a campground with a power outlet, it can handle duties all year round.
Not for offgrid. 😂
@@michaelgonzalez9419 It can if you have a decent lithium ion battery bank. It’s a heat pump and very efficient above 20F.
im getting wave 2 just because of the heater function which i need for my remote shed.
How would the wave 2 do as a AC unit for a golf cart? I know its open so it wouldn't stay consistently cold. But if it pushed 70 degree air on two passangers in 95 degree heat. That would keep someone comfortable.
I would honestly go for a unit like the zero breeze for a golf cart. The Wave 2 would be difficult to fit. Yes, it could push cold air so it would provide some relief, but the hassle of that size unit might not be worth it. The ZB would do the same thing in this case and would probably be better because of the size and portability.
I would look at the new handheld unit from Icybreeze. A lot cheaper, and would solve your problem better I would think.
The Wave 2 is a mini split or a heat pump and it does heat also which I don't think you mentioned that. The Wave 2 side by side is a superior unit there's no comparison. It can heat an area using very low wattage.
Great demonstration. I’m looking for a solution for my truck camper. I’d prefer not to run my propane powered generator because of the noise factor. It will run my 1,100 watt ac unit… but the noise is loud enough that I can only sleep with ear plugs. Not a good solution.
Not mentioned is that the Zero Breeze runs on 24V. So the snapshot of your Victron app when connected to your van battery bank was representative of what? It was either inverted using an AC cord OR you used a 12v to 24v DC converter. I'm interested to know which one. Thanks.
@@rileyclarkfineart Since that was inverted, that is a low power draw! Thanks.
Could you use the vehicle AC to jump call the van and then basically maintain the coolness with either of these?
The answer is really it depends....How insulated is your van? Can your van's onboard AC actually cool your space? If so, yeah then I think this could work. Our van doesn't do a very good job of cooling the entire vehicle down from the dash AC so hard for me to give you an accurate answer on my end.
I do believe you can charge with the smart generator dc plug as well. its the same connector, so I don't see why not
Gotta give the wave 2 another point because it's a heater. I understand a lot of people don't cold weather camp but for those who do not you don't have to buy and take up space with a Chinese diesel heater.
I wanna use it in my bedroom what do u suggest I have vertical opening tall windows therefore exhaust tubes are not an opition
I'd maybe look at sectioning off the hot air somehow from the cold air. To be honest, I put it in my small 8x10 office sometimes with nothing on and just have the unit sitting aways from me so all that I feel is the cold air and it does good enough! Obviously venting the heat is the best option, but there are some work arounds you can probably find!
Can you use any battery and solar panel with the Eccoflow Wave? If not, minus 5 points. Please factor in versatility as well.
The eco flow is just better on every level.. its been an awesome product for me, i use it to supplement my RVs
A/C when it's 100f out and i need a little extra , it works in my trucks tooper to keep the digs cool when traveling or camping, i can use it to cool my bedroom at night so i dont have to cool the entire house.. its just a beast of a unit ✌️
I just ordered on with the battery for $1100 plus tax. Price is supposed to be good till Labor Day.
Thanks for this test, it is very useful 🙂.
I didn't realize it until I made the comparison, but man, the Wave 2 is way bigger than the Mark 2! Personally, I think the Mark 2 is more portable and better suited for my camping tent. Plus, it's got this super cool, unique look that I'm really diggin'!
So I'm wondering more about the Wave 2 and its ability to heat also because you did mention that it does but did nothing to show how well it does it? Considering it as a potential minor heat source rather than building a complete heating system because I don't want to Winter camp but may need to pull the chill out now and then with traveling in our pop-up truck camper???
I tested the heater function this winter in a tent, and it did an OK job. I'm used to using my diesel heater, and I personally find myself in cooler climates camping more than in warmer weather. That diesel heater is AMAZING and I personally wont be switching so I didn't do much more testing with the wave 2. I imagine in an insulated structure it will perform much better though. The canvas tent I used in this video was the same one I tested the heater this winter with in about 36 degree weather. For what you are needing, it wouldn't hurt that's for sure!
@@rileyclarkfineart So you think it would be good for a pop up truck topper, like an overland camper, or I should move towards a more dedicated heater like yours? Purchasing a TUNE M1 Camper/topper. Thanks!!! John
Great video! Very informative and professionally done!
Thank you!
I'm a semi trucker that trucks in AZ, NV, & CA deserts... which one of these do you prefer I get. Can run my truck for 10-12hrs on my break.
If you have the space, the wave 2 will be the better choice. Even though these regions are super dry, they do get very hot so you will probably be running the unit on max a lot. So I would consider a way to drain the unit when the time comes ( I use a bowl or just run the hose outside the van then drain it). I haven't personally tested it running it off the 12v cord though. I've read some blogs and articles saying it isn't as powerful/effective running just off of that. So you might have to still get the battery, but with you being able to run your truck to charge it, you should be solid. I would also get some 12v or battery powered fans to move the air around if you don't already. Proper circulation helps a ton!
I have a pop up slide in truck camper. I can draw a curtain for the bed area over the cab of truck. The sleeping area is 30 inches tall, 7 foot wide, and 5 foot deep. Would zero breeze be good enough for that small area?
This is exactly the setup the ZeroBreeze is built for IMO. They are also releasing a new model soon, so keep an eye on that. But the compact size and weight will make it a lot easier to move around inside of a truck camper. I would vent out a window or something and then use the extender tube to push the cold air inside from behind the curtain. It may not freeze you out, but should take the edge off
If I have 600 watts of solar battery power, can I run either one of these units at night?
No, not off that alone. You would get roughly an hours worth of use with that power set up. I use the solar panels to keep the unit charged up during the day and the battery then gets me roughly 6 hours at night unless on eco mode.