ALIENS miniature effects (part 2)

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  • Опубліковано 23 бер 2021
  • ALIENS miniature effects (part 2). Nigel Blake talks about the miniatures and sets made in England. Segment from my Sense of Scale documentary. Photos: Nigel Blake, Robert and Dennis Skotak, Brian Smithies, Steve Begg, John Lee
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  • @tauruslove86
    @tauruslove86 3 роки тому +134

    Everything this man said about the focusing on the use of practical effects while minimizing CG effects, is spot on and the main reason why Aliens still holds up to any modern day blockbuster in my opinion.

    • @Kipper5776
      @Kipper5776 3 роки тому +15

      Absolutely true. My favorite part of the entire movie were the sequences utilizing the miniature sets involving the atmosphere processing station and drop ships etc.. I love watching videos and anything that the Skotak brothers have worked on. Not to leave out all the other amazing artists. For me personally after I saw the first Poseidon adventure I was hooked and been working on miniatures ever since.

    • @calessel3139
      @calessel3139 3 роки тому +9

      Couldn't agree more!

    • @mattdrago4660
      @mattdrago4660 2 роки тому +3

      Truly well said.

    • @macprofire
      @macprofire 2 роки тому

      Except he didn’t say that. He said both techniques should be used to complement each other, not one before the other

    • @tauruslove86
      @tauruslove86 2 роки тому +4

      @@macprofire I think you need to rewatch this video again, in particular start at 1:31 and go to 2:13. He then states that they can compliment each other when you use CG to "remove matte lines and tidy stuff" when dealing with real models and practical effects. The focus is still on the real models and practical effect, the CG aspect he was referring to was definitely supplemental to real models, hence why I made my initial comment. Way too many movies today focus on nothing but CG and it shows.

  • @recklessMG
    @recklessMG 3 роки тому +28

    The drop ship peeling off through the inferno at the climax is still one of the most staggering shots in cinema... and it's all in camera!

  • @decibelfilm
    @decibelfilm 3 роки тому +41

    I love that Nigel can look at his model work on one of the greatest sci-fi VFX productions of all time and say "eh, it looks like what it is"!!

  • @thebritishengineer8027
    @thebritishengineer8027 3 роки тому +29

    Just a note... I built the first model power loader in the UK (not sure about anywhere else) from a couple of images from an Aliens film magazine way back in 1986.... After going semi-pro sculpting/modelling sci-fi retail & garage kits I was at the Toy Fair & Earls Court with my boss and popped onto Halcyon's Booth the year they released the 1/12 power loader... After pointing out some of it was out of scale, the suite on the stand said "your the guy we were trying to find to do the master." Wrong time, wrong place yet again. When the APC kit was released I began building the Drop Ship to match. Completed the cockpit with rod driven animated crew figures, front section, ramp and fully articulated/sprung brass landing gear...... Lost it and everything else during house moves.

    • @geet77777
      @geet77777 Рік тому +1

      Are you on the "Aliens Legacy forum"? you should really drop in, its where the people like us network. I've probably seen photos of your work. We may even know eachother already haha.

  • @davidjoe3368
    @davidjoe3368 2 роки тому +11

    Aliens is literally one of if not the greatest Sci-Fi movie ever made!

  • @matthewcuratolo3719
    @matthewcuratolo3719 2 роки тому +5

    There's no school like the old school. The model work was brilliant and still holds up today.

  • @photoeducationbydaniel
    @photoeducationbydaniel Рік тому +3

    The reason why these movies hold up against any modern CGI movie is that people built these sets with pride and hard work along with passion and skill!

  • @Joshua_N-A
    @Joshua_N-A Рік тому +3

    When both practical and CGI complement each other, you are at the best of both worlds.

  • @kimrice394
    @kimrice394 2 роки тому +12

    The scenes 1000% believable! Practical effects for me all day long!

  • @namelessjedi2242
    @namelessjedi2242 Рік тому +9

    I never even considered how these effects were done, as they are so convincing. It never takes you out of the film, it all just looks so real. Masterful job by all these artists!

  • @luckystriker7489
    @luckystriker7489 3 роки тому +4

    "when models are used with good CG they compliment each other"- truer words...

  • @gonzomuse
    @gonzomuse 3 роки тому +21

    I love the fact that every time I go on UA-cam at the moment, there is a new piercefilm upload! Great stuff.

    • @piercefilm
      @piercefilm  3 роки тому +7

      Thanks for watching!

    • @gonzomuse
      @gonzomuse 3 роки тому +5

      @@piercefilm Thanks for uploading!

  • @Lumibear.
    @Lumibear. 3 роки тому +16

    Good words to end on, and I totally agree, practical with cgi help is always the best way, IF what you’re aiming for is gritty reality (full cgi is better for fun stuff like Marvel) then you need something real for the camera to focus on. I suspect the main issue nowadays is due to a ‘CGI will make it work later’ attitude. Practical effects needs way tighter planning and teamwork.

  • @RCAvhstape
    @RCAvhstape Рік тому +3

    That dropship was so realistic feeling. It was like a sci fi version of the V-22 Osprey which was in development at the time the movie came out, and the way they used it to land the APC and dust off looked like something right out of a Vietnam newsreel. Amazing film.

  • @ElRel
    @ElRel Рік тому +4

    Great to see the brit artists being recognised here

  • @joescustoms8321
    @joescustoms8321 3 роки тому +16

    To be a model maker for movies would have been awesome, To have worked on one of the best movies ever made would be mind blowing

  • @NitroModelsAndComics
    @NitroModelsAndComics Рік тому +3

    Being a model builder of some 40 years I ca attest to his early statement. When you build something you are so close to it for long periods. You see everything because you either painted or built it.
    My own models can cause me aggravation, yet when someone else sees them all they see is the entirety. We as the builder only sees the flaws. This is just how it is.

  • @tomo2807
    @tomo2807 2 роки тому +5

    If making of documentaries of the alien series don't spark your love for filmmaking then you're not made of flesh and blood

  • @Reticuli
    @Reticuli Рік тому +2

    Exactly... models and using CGI to get rid of the matte lines. The perfect combo.

  • @Desertduleler_88
    @Desertduleler_88 Рік тому

    Scale models and miniature effects made this movie which is why it became a block buster hit. Movies like this will never be made again without the use of CGI.

  • @matthayward7889
    @matthayward7889 3 роки тому +10

    Brilliant! Some of my favourite models in one of my favourite films. I saved up as a kid to buy the Halcyon plastic model kit of the drop ship.

  • @alvaromedinagarcia
    @alvaromedinagarcia 3 роки тому +11

    I believed the APC drop too. I actually thought for a lot of time it was the real thing.

    • @herrakaarme
      @herrakaarme Рік тому +2

      The APC itself was ridiculous, though. It had the ground clearance of a sports car. If you look at real APCs, they are designed for off-road capability, without an exception. Even though I was too young to know such things, for real, when I saw the movie for the first time, I still thought so immediately. But then again, one or two silly details in a masterpiece movie don't really matter.

  • @chonconnor6144
    @chonconnor6144 Рік тому +2

    I really enjoyed Alien and Aliens as a kid and really appreciate the special effects. There is something about well done physical models/effects/puppetry that just evoke the imagination more than CGI. Shame a lot of it is now a dying art, but heartened to see some directors going back to more mixed effects.

  • @atom_gray
    @atom_gray 3 роки тому +12

    truer words were never spoken...

    • @dellawrence4323
      @dellawrence4323 3 роки тому +3

      I think that when CG was discovered, we lost something wonderful.

    • @Lumibear.
      @Lumibear. 3 роки тому +1

      Ikr, words that certain sci-f film makers should live by, you would think.

  • @sickoftheleftwingscum
    @sickoftheleftwingscum 3 роки тому +8

    Can't beat the old way it must have been more fun trying to get around problems and your dealing with a real object what skill ! 👍👏👏👏

  • @khanindustries
    @khanindustries Рік тому +4

    Everyone involved in the making of this film did such a fantastic job. Thank you! One of my favorite movies of all time.

  • @b00ts4ndc4ts
    @b00ts4ndc4ts Рік тому +3

    I totally agree with him, I think that people over use CG now and working with both media works much better and looks more believable.

  • @howardking8519
    @howardking8519 3 роки тому +6

    I agree with this gentlemen yes sir .

  • @burtlangoustine1
    @burtlangoustine1 Рік тому +3

    Models are real. CG is meant to compliment that rather than replace that. The brain needs reality!

  • @cobramalibuunlimited2897
    @cobramalibuunlimited2897 3 роки тому +10

    Please keep posting these forever!

    • @piercefilm
      @piercefilm  3 роки тому +11

      Thanks for watching. Many more coming up soon!

    • @SquidkidMega
      @SquidkidMega 2 роки тому

      @@piercefilm how much do you have? You seem to have a bottomless pit of this amazing stuff

    • @piercefilm
      @piercefilm  2 роки тому +2

      @@SquidkidMega couple more months.

  • @matsnilson7727
    @matsnilson7727 3 роки тому +3

    Love it! Aaaaabsolutely love it!

  • @ardscorner
    @ardscorner Рік тому +1

    The miniature drop ship is being auctioned over on Prop Store Auctions, estimate 150k

  • @cliddily
    @cliddily Рік тому +1

    I just thought of a good pet name for the motion detectors in the movie.. H.R. Giger counters!👽

    • @piercefilm
      @piercefilm  Рік тому

      but it's pronounced, "Geeger" like Geezer

  • @alecdavidoff8602
    @alecdavidoff8602 3 роки тому +2

    I can only think about one film when the use both techniques and fuck, it worked, The dark knight, the batmobile scene.

  • @pavelyankouski4913
    @pavelyankouski4913 Рік тому

    Yeah, first 3D first personal shooters like AvP2 also a very great game with models from an original ALIENS. 3 different games in 1 and free multiplayer mode

  • @tam653m
    @tam653m 3 роки тому +11

    Do you have access to the BTS stills in this edit? I would gladly pay for copies. I own several of the miniatures pictured and these are some of the best images I've seen of them. really tough to find. Please let me know. Thanks so much.

    • @gonzomuse
      @gonzomuse 3 роки тому +4

      Awesome!!! Which miniatures, may I ask?

  • @NoirTech83
    @NoirTech83 2 роки тому +1

    I am currently planning another Batman film and want to do a Batmobile car chase with models. With todays cameras and compositing it would be even easier to make models look more real and tangible than cg alone.

  • @zombiehunter1152
    @zombiehunter1152 Рік тому +2

    100% soon it’s going to be a lost art, that’s why they called it movie magic. Now everything’s done on a computer, modern cgi can only go so far.

    • @CarverPete
      @CarverPete Рік тому

      No model making will never be a lost art , tbh it's continued developing in leaps and bounds, hell photo etch didn't even exist back then.There are some amazingly talented modellers making some awesome creations it's a popular past time.

  • @cheeseskreist5654
    @cheeseskreist5654 3 роки тому +1

    Wait, he didn't do the detailing on the Sulaco, it was done by Patrick Mcclung (Blade Runner, 2010 etc)

    • @piercefilm
      @piercefilm  3 роки тому +6

      Nigel did the basic shape. It was then detailed by British model makers. Then Pat Mcclung and the Skotaks came in and redid some of the difficult Syd Mead style detailing. Combined effort.

    • @cheeseskreist5654
      @cheeseskreist5654 3 роки тому +1

      @@piercefilm That's exactly, what I heard.
      It's funny how some of the more traditional model makers, i.e. the guys who build mainly from plans, have utter scorn for kit-bashing, and yet most of them cant do it. LOL..

  • @Distrakt
    @Distrakt 3 роки тому +3

    😳

  • @TheLostBoy1974
    @TheLostBoy1974 3 роки тому +1

    I thought the thumbnail was a giant rubber chicken.

  • @Bootrosgali
    @Bootrosgali 3 роки тому +2

    Very nice . But a robot ain't gonna Transform in front of your eyes with all the wire n gubbins in the world ain't it?

  • @nighthawkarts
    @nighthawkarts Рік тому

    Meanwhile these days…
    “Just CGI everything”
    Yeah but that’s lazy and looks fake
    “Ha ha ha haven’t you seen how much that crappy movie ‘Avengers’ made?”
    😞

    • @piercefilm
      @piercefilm  Рік тому

      Well, there are also films like John Carter and the last Fantastic Beasts movie that did terrible at the box office. Also, Green Lantern... Cats... If people want to see a film they'll go see it whether it has practical or CGI.