This PLAT 5 ZENYATTA got accused of NOT HEALING... Is it true?
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I hate the stats argument. He has high heal count because his orb is basically glued to the tank. He lets DPS die right in front of him numerous times, he doesn't really help Bap when needed and then gets rolled by Orisa cause he's tanking.
Things like this is why I've given every role a nice amount of play time since I started, then I see the other perspectives not just the one side lol my healing orb goes to everyone but the tank unless it's just them or they getting hard focused
I’ve been playing tank a little more, I mainly play support with some dps thrown in. Man is it awful going up against an Ana who can land their abilities
Very true. I like to view my team as an extension of myself. What each role needs I try to be mindful of that.
ive started to be solid at all roles well solid enough and yeah man ill never complain about a teammate unless IK they're playing a character wrong (floor lucios spamming heals it makes me so mad)
@@Moe-hs1yo worst kind of players majority are toxic af too lmao
@@Moe-hs1yo
Slow Lucio is such a hard throw! 😭 I had a Lucio one game saying I was bad because I wasn’t healing enough, which was impossible because that AOE every time I looked at someone, they were already full health! Not to mention we could’ve actually escaped a bunch of threats if we were a smidge faster. I’m about to just give up on being a support when the healbots are the only ones getting any love.
The "mainly placing your Harmony Orb on your Tank" is a common thing many Zen players (including me) do since you can get ult charge faster from healing the Tank. After getting some advice, I learned it's not the best play and began prioritizing my DPS and only placing it on my Tank when they really need it. Also, I've had so many teammates like that Soldier who LoS and feed and complain about heals. I had a Sigma who ditched us and the cart and went to fight the enemy team by himself then got mad at me for not saving him and thought I was the problem because I swapped to Brig. The enemy Tank was playing Ball and Dva, and they had a Sombra who kept focusing me and the other Support, so I went Brig and did fine against them and even protected my other Support, but our Sigma kept feeding and going out of position then blamed me for his deaths. Some people hate taking accountability.
Ngl I hear this advice a lot too and I just don't follow it. React fast enough to swap orbs to someone who's taken damage and if they still die, they likely wouldn't have lived with the 30 hps anyways. Ofc this always changes depending on the team comps: if the enemy is running dive or has a sombra or tracer in our backlines, then yes keeping orb on squishies preemptively is the way to go. But when the team fight starts, I always keep my orb on my tank because they're likely the first ones to start taking damage. It may be little, but I've had so many times where having my ult slightly faster was what saves the team from a nanoblade.
I thought placing your orb on tank is for opening plays where you know the maximum damage is going to be taken by the tank. After that it goes to other characters, essentially juggling it. Generally I prioritize my dive teammates since they will be taking damage at any point.
My favorite thing about playing support is watching tank/dps try to 1v5, only to get obliterated, and then blame it on me
Watching this definitely taught me not to have my orb on tank as a default
Self-awareness is just an ovearching issue in OW competitive.
Like 99% of the people bitching are probably screwing up all the time, themselves. Tanks LoS too deep, supports with shit positioning, DPS think they're tanks on the flank. The ones not bitching probably are, too.
Which is why I just tell people 'focus on yourself, you're in this rank, too'
i think a lot of the issue that he, and a lot of zens have is realizing that zens healing output is not great, you cannot wait until they are critical to throw it on them, it is rarely enough to keep them through whatever is happening and heal them up. you gotta be proactive and orb people that are going to take damage.
I always find it funny when people accuse Zenyattas of not healing. You guys know he has a super low healing output, right? You don't play Zen for the heals
👏 Yes, however…
Zen is a really good pocket healer. If I’m holding down an off-angle as DPS, that harmony orb can keep me alive through whatever craziness comes my way. If I never get that orb, I have to keep running away whenever I get shot in the foot.
30 healing per second is a big deal for 200hp targets.
agreed @@ItsMihali
@@ItsMihalialso….. this guy needs to recognize when it’s time to swap supports too….. he was doing good damage but his team was dying left and right and the Orisa was going into the back line Just to kill him. People in Overwatch need to learn counter picking man
@@kingbaco1233 I don’t think so. If he had kept orb on squishies they wouldn’t have necessarily died. If anything, the hero swap to Illari was the biggest throw from that match. Counter swapping can be good, but I don’t think they lost because they didn’t counter swap
I don't know why people say that I get 8k heals+ with him including transcendence his healing output isn't THAT loe
It's a team effort. Everyone in that team did so many questionable decisions.
Zen healing is underrated. It applies through shields, has a long range and is easiest to land with line of sight. Its more reliable than ana, which can miss, mercy that requires guardian angel and breaking her cover, baptiste which does miss more often than you think. Finally it applies faster than kiriko at range.
However most of those characters you mentioned can heal multiple teammates at a time while Zen can't so he's more suited to the name of support than healer
zens healing pops off. IF teammates use cover. When you are low health and zen puts heal orb on and instead of pulling back to better hp they go in and get rolllled. Unless you can be the dps that your team needs 💪. His alt is best used to counter other ults timing is KEY. Don't use for a emergency saves unless they have recently used there ults.
14:01, I think that was just bad reaction timing. If Bastion wasn't in turret form for that kill he might have been able to get his ult off.
Also, I'm pretty sure they switched to Illari on the 3rd round specifically because the "you're not healing (enough)" comment from 76. Which is why they are still playing like a Zen.
9:12 No way bro just predicted the S9 meta
I love what Emongg said because it's exactly what I do. I dont go Lifeweaver because I think my team needs more healing... I go Lifeweaver when I believe these is a teammate who is way too aggressive to the point that they are throwing lol.
7:15 I personally think Zen keeping Orb on Ram was the right call in this instance. Ram is up in enemy spawn area with Zen orb on him, Bap is right behind Bastion. If anything Baptiste should've been the one healing Bastion, not Zen.
EDIT 1: And at 8:35, Orb would've done nothing. Soldier got rolled by Sojourn alt fire.
EDIT 2: Watching this I'm seeing Bap focusing on damage a lot and not healing that much. So if anything I'd say Bap is slacking hard.
at 7:15 ram was flanking the supports while the frontline was dealing with a orisa and they had just windowed. you want to keep the value up on cart so nah orbing bastion was better. And at 8:35 he didnt have orb on anyone and soldier was right next to him, he might not have lived the sojourn but he still should have had orb on him. wasnt a headshot and there was still time to negate some of the damage.
Ram had most of the enemy team on him, Bap was doing nothing but putting a window up (which in itself is a bad call) and then shooting a bit. Bap should've been healing Bastion.@@jukeswolfy2593
You’re missing the point with the soldier getting killed by Sojourn alt fire, it’s not about the orb not being able to save them anyway, it’s the idea that the Zen isn’t even TRYING to save them, it takes nothing to put the orb on soldier there even if he falls over in the next second anyway
I'm gonna have to disagree with 7:12
Zen should have kept that orb on Ram because Ram was SO far out of LOS that the Bap wouldn't be able to heal at all even if he wanted to. Bap should have healed the Bastion there because only Zen could heal the Ram at that point.
Granted, in the end, Ram still had around 1/3 his health so I don't think the Zen orb would have mattered in the end. But, keeping the orb on the Ram was the right play there
so orbing bastion was the right play since ram was los ing heals on half health, and the bastion mightve had time to kill orisa
Yeah it was a complete misplay on baps side. The Zen was the only one who could heal the tank, and the bap could only see the orisa and his bastion, he couldve healed up the bastion earlier while the zen couldnt or he'd lose the ability to heal the tank. The bap had window and instead of using it to sustain, he used it to dps the fortified orisa
I would say both the supports and the bastion were so utterly tunnel visioning on possible incoming enemies that all 3 of them slept way too hard there.
I agree, but the second that orb fell off Ram, it should have been put on the bastion. But it was the Bap's fault the Bastion died.
as far as i remember from console, if youre shooting a charged shot you cant cancel to throw a healing orb, which could explain the appearance of the player intentionally not healing and dpsing sometimes, on pc you can shoot and send healing orb out at the same time so its way different. this kinda seemed like a womp womp team, rein took too much damage without ever checking if bap was with him leading to zen needing to supplement heal leading to no heals on dps leading to no plays leading to no kills etc etc etc... sometimes games are just... loseable
He is playing in a really unoptimal way, he has a very low sensitivity but instead of keeping distance to take advantage of the more precise aim he throws himself into the enemy team and get's defeated by people just running circles around him. He either needs to ramp it up or to change playstyle
Amen
hes a dark souls boss
To be fair this is console so it's not that easy to turn
@@ErenKruger-qx3dt it's not easy to ve super precise, but it's not that hard to have higher sensitivity than a Tortle
@@ErenKruger-qx3dti'm on console and it's super easy to turn fast. you just have to turn your sensitivity up. it looks like this zen has it on like, the base settings lol.
He was on a team with a Rein and Ram. Trust your tank to know when to pull back cuz he was FAR in. I see this with Doom a lot and when my people getting attacked on point I orb my DPS cuz like emongg said they regen health faster as there's less to heal.
If the tank wants to disappear out of sight let them. Preserve the teammates that are on the same page as you. If the tank starts dying but doesn't change their strat then maybe switch to Lifeweaver and tug that leash.
This Zen turns around so damn slowly
Console gamer. Idk if they can up their sens it’s been years since I’ve played OW on console
@alecmiller5296 I play on Xbox that sensitivity is sluggish compared to how I have it
@@alecmiller5296they can go way higher than this 😂
The illari switch was definitely something 😂
9:20 rein could have held his shield up for zen
At about the 10:20 mark the Rein f*cks off into space and I'm dying 😂😂😂
zen was prioritizing his attacks several times when he was right next to a dps that needed heals. it's OK to cancel the attack every now and then
plat console translates roughly to silver pc
Think of it like this, too, if zen orbs the dps, then bap doesn’t have the pressure of hitting all his healing shots on every single one of his teammates all the time, you are helping him, your fellow support, in that way, and in return he helps you by doing majority of the burst healing for the tank, which is much easier for a bap to do. It’s not complicated. It just takes the ability to consider how the characters interact with one another and how they can benefit from each other. That’s the definition of team composition, I think.
Those walls were on the verge of breaking. So close.
Can someone tell me why Console games are so much different than PC games? Plat on PC verses Console is a lot different. Most of the ranks seem a lot different. Why is that?
Console games are just much slower since it's harder to move/aim. There's really not much difference game-wise, pc players just act like they're some kind of God and console players are the scum of the earth. Game knowledge, positioning, decision making etc are the same.
@@nemeblissthanks for answering! I didn’t think about the physical limitations. They probably have lower frame rates too
@@danielabaroni4020I THINK console does have frame limitations as well. I know the switch is hard capped at 30fps (RIP for those players) but I'm not sure about the new gen Xbox and PS5, they may have 60fps but maybe not more. then again, I only get 60fps consistently with my PC so they aren't allowed to complain LMAO jk jk
@@sethescopeI think next gen consoles go up to 120fps. Just checked 120fps for performance mode
@@duckseatbread104 thanks for the information! I haven't played anything on console in ages so I know nothing lol
I very often play on console , Bap is the second worst healer on console , because he needs to consistently adjust the aiming to ground and no aim assist . The worst is Ana.
Also a tank with a health sign isn't always as dire as a DMG with a health sign. Tanks go red at like 250+ HP. Damagers are at like 100- a lot of the time.
There are supports that wwork with dps and supports that work with tank
that rein was baking tho
Alr I'm not a Zen main I'm a hanzo main and yes I can hit most of my shots but not all and I've played Zen but you have to pay attention to you're whole team even the dps all you have to do or all that Zen had to do in my opinion is heal the whole team not just tank
I main Zen and have been accused of not healing because ive had higher dps than one or both dps and lower overall heals then the second support. Like my dude your a genji who wont stand still and dashes away. I need line of sight and I stick with the tank. I will heal if you are near but what am i gonna do? Slow float after a dashing wall climbing always dying genji? Of course Im not perfect and sometimes inhave forgotten to reapply my orb but Im not off flanking and trying to sneak kill. I stick with the team
Someone missed the point of the whole video😂
@@shawnskyeviews No he didn't. That's basically exactly what happened in this video with the soldier.
Bro why does this dude turn at the speed of a tank from the 1800s. Like turn your sensitivity up man.
Zen's Soldier was mad even though Zen was bulling the other Soldier
What was that illari gameplay? Looked like a brand new player lmao.
Ah, console. Was going to say no way this is plat 5. They show flashes of some decent aim and positioning was slightly below average but not bad. Terrible ult and orb usage. They treated their Bap like a Mercy, as if it was his job to watch the dps while the Zen could set it and forget it on the tank. Also left his Bap out to dry a couple times. The fact he brought up stats as an argument already shows lack of knowledge about how the game works especially in relation to how characters work with one another. I can have highest healing and least deaths multiple games in a row in bronze or silver and never rank up.
This player would struggle to maintain a silver rank on pc if they could even make it there.
Oh my god, Plat gameplay just STRESSES ME OUUUT
Fr just makes me think.....these..these..are my allies?
My aim is complete dog ass but I am not this bad, no shit I'm not gonna rank up on console when this is my support (OR WHEN MY TEAM CANT BEAT THIS)
nah that soldier envied zens positioning and dps, this has nothing to do with zen not healing good enough xD
He envied how the big German man with 650 hp and over 1000hp shield got the measly 30 hps orb instead of him lol
Sometimes Flats version of this gets a little... mean haha. I like the balance of actual advice, memes, and laughing at some of the, well lets just say, funnier stuff happening lol.
I think with flats spectating, people are asking for roasts so his aren't advice based necessarily
Flats has said in the past that his reaction vids aren't intended as advice, they aren't educational, he watches them for fun. He rarely gives advice and when he does it's advice he's already gicen before and it's usually very basic. The E-man actually does this to give advice and educate the player base while having a little fun
"maybe they just wanted to go [insert healbot character here] so they could get away with their awful positioning". Standard stuff
I only put my heal order when people are need help but it’s up to them to take cover
His sensitivity is honestly the biggest issue here. It's definitely on like...3
Honestly I'm fine with him DPS'ing as much as he does if he's going to focus on it, you don't need to heal stuff if all the other stuff is dead. BUT, you're hurting your other support's ult charge (the other support can more efficiently heal the tank and their ult charge especially on bap is improved by leaving it to them). If you're going to stick it and forget it stick it on a DPS.
More importantly, those ults killed me. I'm not saying you have to hold them for like the worlds most special opportunity or whatever and some of them were okay. But you don't need to use it as an extra long cooldown on just whatever you feel like either.
lil bro trances off cd
also instead of using the pillar for cover he walks on the inside where they enemy team has a clear line of sight to kill him. He is definitely, 1000% learning zen on this game. 😅
Forget everything else, how does one play at this sensitivity?! I’m a console player and the only time it’s been that slow was when I first started playing
"Zen just recently got a buff." 🤣
So giving him more health and adding more seconds on Harmony Orb before it wears off is not a buff? Yes, the Discord Orb change was rough, but they did try to give him compensation buffs.
@@extremelight9258 It's not a buff. It's either a rebalance or a nerf depending on your point of view. They tweaked harmony and health specifically because they intended to dumpster his strongest ability in the short term in the hopes that it would be better for the game long-term. Call a spade a spade.
@@shioramenrabbitschizo take its a buff and healthier for enemy tanks especially
@@alpakapucuf3394 It's a rebalance lmao. Yes, it is better for tanks, that's why I said it was for the long term benefit of the game. If an ability is too strong and needs to be less strong, it needs *nerfing*. Zen didn't get a buff you delulu thing you.
why was solder complaining bastion was the victim here
I’m masters across the board on console and always felt I was too highly placed because I see pc masters and they’re way better than me mechanically. But after seeing this plat I guess I am better than people below my rank lol
this is like overwatch court
Yeah, like they definitely weren't perfect, but it was mostly the soldier's own fault for dying so much. Like it's kinda hard to heal someone who you can never see
Alright. I personally feel like this is something I can weigh in on since I was a Zen main before I quit. Of every support, Zen has the lowest healing output. He's the closest to an actual support and not glorified DPS like Ilari or Healbot like Mercy. When you play as Zen, you don't do it with the intention of giving your tank the ability to charge a Reaper or to keep your DPS up in a 1v3. You play Zen to keep you're team alive against a poke comp while forcing the enemy tank to break LOS due to Orb of Discord. If you think your Zen isn't healing enough, I just want you to remember that Zen is the only true Support.
"Only true support" is an interesting take for a hero whose only utility is discord orb. It makes me wonder what you think the word means.
if youre playing Mercy as a healbot, you're not playing Mercy correctly. and if you think Mercy is a healbot hero, you don't understand the character whatsoever.
I feel like these should be my lobbies in sliver/a little brain dead as a fellow controller player but I just get zimmers and sweats 😢
sup issue. no way someone can waste that many ults and still expect to win. the zen's kills were enough to win if he hit his ults. his healing was pretty poor for the last half of the game. he stacks it on the tank but then forgets about it too long.
But ultimately, sup play was as bad or worse than the dps cause he couldn't hit a useful ult for 2 rounds
5:00 Lifeweaver is a throw pick rn
Lifeweaver has huge single-target healing, he's actually one of the better supports largely because you can't dive him. Nowhere close to a throw pick.
@strangejune Honestly, Lifeweaver is only good if you have a good team. If the Lw is solo queuing, he better know what he is doing, or else you will basically be a support down. Tbh, it's kinda sad how nothing can counter his pull at all.
Like, I feel it's fair, but compared to the other supports, he is basically a throw pick. Like if your team is good, even zen is a better pick
@@ashtyn9498 I solo queue LW all the time, and right now my LW has a better win rate than my main. I don't coordinate anything, but otherwise he has great heals or good damage, great utility, and huge survivability.
Honestly looks like he was biased against dps this game.
Personal growth will help him change his mindset to improve on his comp gaming skills.
Wait quick q, I thought that zen's new thing was that you can't discord the SAME person within 7 seconds but you can still discord others? Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought thats how it was now, not that you can't discord anyone for 7 seconds.
You can't discord the *same* target for seven seconds after the orb goes away on them, correct.
Danke@@strangejune
This Plat console gameplay could easily be confused for low Silver PC gameplay.
I love emongg ❤❤ only he can roast you and still make you feel good
He missed EVERY SHOT as illari.. bro needs to stick to Lucio 😅
orbs are best for pocketing dps
Using ult repeatedly to counter enemy secondary abilities needs work.
How I’m shocked this is Plat. The not leading shots properly and continuing to fire with zen is also something worth looking at. If you miss the first two shots takes 0.3/secs to correct the aim.
The whole healing nonsense. Zen has Always been played for the disharmony orb. Just make sure you call it when placed. As some people only react when it’s called - no idea why I’m assuming they get confused with visual screen clutter.
Zen rocks - ignore the haters
This is plat 5 on console? oof. I'm a mid-plat support (Zen main, flex alt), and I know that my gameplay is very far from perfect, but this guy (and the other players in the match) has really low awareness. Is it because of the low turning speed that it looks like he has blinders on? He just doesn't react when things happen closer to the edge of his screen. Also, while I like the aggression, he often finds himself in a position with 4 enemies right in front of him looking at him. He doesn't seem to have the sense to back up.
Why do people swap to characters they don’t know how to play?
3 wasted ults on first push..
How are these people on plat ._.
I can't tell u how many times I've sat and watched my supports play like this. I'm gold/Plat no fucking way I'm ranking up with players like this (not that I deserve to be that high, I can't aim too well most of the time)
@@frozenfury0 nah this is something else even for console
@@thebelowaveragesaibamen3286 exactly what I say, I'm not that good but I would like to have even games and not total sweat parades with horrible people or total carries with no difficulty whatsoever....
I just want fun games with people who know the basics... Is that too much to ask?
@teupaiocabalo3893 just a genji asking for health before I insta die with blade
Imo he did good but he needs to higher is sensitivity. It looks like he plays on 10 and I would go at least to 30 specially if someone flanks u its too slow to react.
This looks like console play, or at a minimum, he looks like hes playing with a controller himself.
Not to hate on console players but I can't imagine playing Shooters on Console, it looks so sluggish and awkward.
Plat?
2 ads in. No.
this is plat? are we playing different games?
Yes
Who is playing Zen for the heals? Zen and me playing for being DPS
This guy was actually a pretty decent zen. His accuracy, ofc, could use some work, but his ult use is DEF in need of work
4:20 into the video and I can see why he was accused of not healing.. bro literally wasted two zen ults before point one cap. 🤦🏼♂️
i think the zen is spamming too much not quite aiming as much as he should
lmao
bro did not watch the full video 😭
honestly for a controller player the aim is fine
def not 100% zen's fault. although the zen was too aggressive and not playing from the backlines, the dps were also constantly out of position. Especially the soldier, on top of the fact that he is one of the few dps that can heal/sustain himself as well
Ults are terrible
no1 cares console players... also you are a PC Streamer.. but soooo often i see "a new video" from emongg, open it, getting hyped cause of you start talking and then i realise that this aiming looks like my cat plays with my mouse... :( have to close it and wait for another video :(
Pls dont Upload so many console player videos 😇😮💨
Or at least show it in the titel... like "Console" 🤭
anyways i like your videos.. 👍👍
Firstly, you don't speak for everyone. Mouse is way better for precision aiming, but it doesn't mean we don't want to see console gameplay. Secondly you wrote "No1" which means Number 1.
Not everyone shares your likes and dislikes.
Hey you guuuuuuuuuuuuys
Zenyatta is a great pick, if you're smurfing. Most carry potential in the game. If you're just trying to play good Overwatch with your team though, yikes, throw pick.