out of all of them i think i like her the least, just because of how cruel she is/was in her job, but "bastard icon" is a perfect way to sum her up, and man do i respect that
"aside from some, ah, office gossip, which I-I'm not sure is necessary, or conducive to a-a workplace..." IT'S CANON BOYS HE HEARD THE JONMARTIN GOSSIP
I was just coming to comment about that, I cannot BELIEVE I missed the time he outright acknowledged it the first time I listened through And judging by the stammering... 👀
I felt it OH BELIEVE me a felt it! But at the same time, he finally got to make a choice, after having been trapped in this job for now year's, he finally got to choose what HE wanted..... But he totally still should have just gone to therapy..... as everyone else should😅
It's kind of scary how we see other assistants changing because of the entities (Daisy with the hunt, Jon with the eye and Melanie probs let's be honest with either the hunt or the slaughter) but Tim, the guy is changing because he's just angry, traumatized and depressed. With Tim there's no *power* pulling the strings of his sanity. This comment brought to you by The Sad
@@rorygiambalvo2955 bet elias was watching and muttering "it kinda is actually" & has flashbacks of how fast and accurately martin works whenever Jon asks
@@lilaboxx I want Martin to disappear from this show because he’s suddenly been courted by Zac Effron and they’re off traveling the world or something. He’s so sweet to Jon and Jon doesn’t deserve him 😭🥺
No one mentioned how sad it is to hear Tim so bitter and almost asking to die in this? Tim, who in the beginning was fun and had 'connections' to the police, slowly growing so cold and bitter, isn't that worth noting?
@@peacebuddha96I don't blame you for disliking the romance stuff, but that isn't really what changed the series. The world-building and the character development has been taking time away from the individual horror stories. The romance is only a small part of that. The fandom in the comments section just really likes to latch on to that aspect.
@@peacebuddha96 The TMA fandom is a lot more focused on the characters and other extra stuff really, rather than the actual horror stories podcast that TMA was before.
@@sarahshock6805 the world building is awesome in my opinion. I don't care so much about the characters especially not for their sexuality. That's just forced at this point
i genuinely cried a little at tim's statement. he's just so... bitter. he's so beaten down and angry and he has no where to go, he hasn't been *happy* since s1
@@macabrecitrus2127 i thought that he was doing a little better because he got along much better with Jon and Sasha was still there and that after s2 he felt a lot worse
It was a moment where I could relate so heavily to wanting to preserve knowledge while also understanding that Gerry needs to be put to rest. It honestly kind of hurt me too.
i feel like Melanie's character is so underrated, and people forget that she was literally the person who caught the NotSasha. i really like Melanie, either way :) ALSO: "i need *him* to be okay" MARTINNNNNNNNNN T^T
I'm so mixed about Melanie because on the one hand like I get it but the other hand I'm so scared of the fact that she's dead set on killing Elias after all he's said about all of them dying. Like,,, with everything else going on it just doesn't make sense and it wouldn't help and I get it she's traumatised obviously cause Elias is a d*ck but it really puts me on edge.
Melanie kind of annoys me. She is angry and feels so betrayed. But she was pretty much the only one who was warned before she became part of the archives AND had a choice. And yes, Elias is a dick, but she tried to kill him multiple times before he really did anything to her. And as the only one with any knowledge before choosing she still thinks herself the most cheated. Sigh... Honestly, holding on to anger over a long time always kind of confused me in general. Anger is an defensive 'emotion' (or more precily: a reaction), when you can't confront your real feelings, because vulnerability, fear or hurt often are petrifying emotions, and you often have them in situations that (make you feel you) need you to be active. But holding on to that, means staying in denial while keeping the want to directionless destroy things (and hurt people) around you activ. Yes, these emotions are difficult to process, I get that. And, yes, it takes time. But your a grown up, so take responsibility for yourself!
I think people often forget that she's being influenced by the Slaughter as we speak. It's not that obvious at the start, but the fact that she mentioned about her anger at the same time as she gave her statement about the ghost bullet on her leg is not a coincidence. Of course she wants to kill Elias and of course she knows it will kill everyone. And what does Slaughter does? KILL EVERYONE
I think people often believe that she CHOSE to join the institute when that's flat out not the case. To me, it has always seemed obvious that she was compelled to join. That, to me, explains a lot of her anger.
@@PedroKing19Does Elias also have the ability to compel people? Cause this is my first run on the podcast and I remember both Tim and Martin telling her it's a bad idea to join as soon as Elias made the offer but she just seemed to ignore it. Then she went on but hurt that people weren't happy she was there after they told her she shouldn't have joined. Then she blamed John about her being stuck there when that whole happened while he was MIA at the institute. Its kinda why I'm still heavily on the fence about her. Also I feel like if Elias could've just compelled her then he would've done that again instead of traumatizing her into submission.
The first time I spoke out while listening to this podcast was to say "...no..." When Jon mentioned keeping Gerard's page. The most relieved I've ever felt while listening was hearing Jon struggle, but finally burn the page. My boy's not a monster, yet!
In a way, it feels like the opposite of what Jon becoming a monster would mean. He's the Avatar of the Beholder, meaning he feeds it with knowledge. Gerard, as Jon said, is a fountain of knowledge at his fingertips. Yet he still defies his patron and burns the page.
@King of Poliwhirls I love this detail especially because you can HEAR Jon hurting from burning the page. He's hurting for getting rid of endless knowledge and The Eye hurts him because it hurts to lose that page. This series is too much 😭
@@coffeewolfproductions9113 I actually immediately started wondering if he was holding it with his burned had, and thought: John! Dropp it before you burn you're hand again! 😅
tim feels like the kind of guy that wouldnt be as surprised as much as DELIGHTED to find out the eye was an audience of physical people. if only so that hed have something physical to pour his rage on
I quite liked these. As someone with a long history of PTSD, I really felt Melanie's "When did I lose the parts of me that weren't just anger?", misdirected as that anger may be. And don't get me started on Martin and Tim's statements... I get the awful feeling I'll really need to bring out the paper tissue box for the next couple of episodes.
Jon saying "it's fine" about the office gossip but sounding really hurt made me so sad. And the end when he's scared but burns the page anyways and whispers "just rest"? oof ouch I didn't need a heart!
So... lemme get this straight... All of the protagonists are either marked by or under the influence of one of the... uh... "patrons". Jon- Beholding Melanie- The Slaughter Martin- The Web Daisy- The Hunt Georgie- The End Basira- i dunno Tim- The Unknown Very clever indeed
Yeah and also that one dude had that creepy conversation with Martin, the Lukas one, and Brasira also had a run in with the darkness guy too but I don’t know these are just observations. I don’t really think Martin fits the web but I’m not really sure cause he isn’t really scared of spiders.
Yeah... After much deliberation I would have to agree with peach here. Especially because from all I cam gather, the Dark feeds on faith, and Basira still has a bit of Muslim left in her despite all that's going on around her, as evidenced by ep121 when she gets irritated when Georgie calls the fears "Gods"
This episode really solidified Jon as one of the good guys for me. Overcoming every personal and supernatural instinct to preserve the wealth of information that Gerry was, and keeping his promise? Bangarang.
Oh how Tim says it only takes to talk to the wrong person, open the wrong door, take the wrong train... I think that's what's scary and real about TMA. Horrible things can happen no matter whether you are looking for trouble or minding your own bussines.
Tim's character...development...if you could call it that... It really, really hurts. S1 finale: "Statement of Joe Spooky regarding sinister happenings!" S3 finale: "Honestly, I hope that John learned something from her because, because I don’t expect I’m going to be coming back from this..." This S1 Tim was so short-lived. He appeared, won our hearts over with one phrase, and then turned into air and smoke, a beautiful memory of something that could have been, but wasn't. And I know. I know that Tim was a front. He never actually existed. There always was only this angry, depressed, broken man with no hope and no reason to live anymore. But it still. Hurts.
I do wish everyone didn't hate Jon so...baselessly. Tim, Melanie, and later Basira, treat Jon like he isn't also just some poor bastard who stumbled into this nightmare just because an evil mastermind and his dark god have singled Jon out.
Kinda like an interim manager who everybody's super pissed at but they have no real power bc the Boss is actually the one pulling the strings. To be fair Jon's p much left them to their own defices (again, not his fault!)
I feel like the only person that's actually doing it baselessly is Basira. Tim was getting stalked by jon in S2 and by season 3 is basically just about off the deep end, and Melanie's got a slaughter bullet inside of her, but Basira is kinda just... a bitch. She can tolerate daisy, but not jon when hes starting to go through the same thing she did.
@@DJSilly9Basira's hypocrisy is something that season 5 tries to deal with but never really succeeds at. She needed to acknowledge her own culpability and enabiling of Dasiy but never got a chance to as they barreled toward the finally. I would have appreciated a few more episodes with Basira instead of Georgie, Melanie, and their sycophants, personally. It's Melanie's constant refusal to take responsibility for her own choices while blaming Jon that really sours me on her. Slaughter influenced her but she made _choices_ , just like all the other characters, but is the only one who tries to excuse them by blaming others (namely Jon). The theme of the series is free will and choice. Melanie in my opinion shows what happens when we shirk responsibility for our choices. She ends up blind.
jon finally allowing himself to trust people in the prelude to what could very well be the cause of their deaths is such a jon thing...it’s like. wow!! no better bonding activity than going on a 3 hour roadtrip and committing arson to save the world!!
Jon talking abt Basria and Melanie gossiping is my favourite thing ever lmaooooooo - Martin saying that he needed Jon to be okay made a piece of my soul leave my body that's so PURE - I swear Tim being "I wanna die during this" made me think of when I was like that and I almost started crying -
The JONMARTIN feels in this episode!!!! I feel like...does anyone else feel like the Slaughter has touched a nerve with Melanie? The fact that she is very angry most of the time? After being shot by the war ghosts in India? Maybe instead of killing Elias she just pokes his eyes out? Would that even help?
I haven't felt so much fear, resentment, trepidation and apprehension before a group visit to a wax museum since last time I was taken to a wax museum.
for a horror podcast its really nice how tma depicts the horrors of war and imperialism from the cololized places (aka china & india), even just in passing
This is my second or third time listening and it took me just now to realize that every time Melanie starts speaking about the violence she wants to commit . . . the background rumbles. Like when Michael shows up and the tape starts hissing.
Yeah. Everything about Melanie from the first episode she's in is Slaughter influenced. It's only on a relisten you get it but her trip to The Cambridge Military Hospital, the train yard and Indian are ALL Slaughter manifestations. The first statement she reads is Slaughter. This episode statement alludes to her association with the Slaughter.
The "i need him to be okay" and "jon just dont die or Tim or Basira or Daisy" got me almost crying and also laughing cause like wow Martin just completely forgot he was on tape that Jon could fricken look at later
I miss how carefree and easy going Tim was. He’s going to keep spiraling, if he lives. I have my doubts about that. Unfortunately killing Tim off makes the most sense from a narrative standpoint
A silent minute for Sasha please, who cannot be with us in these times. (For the first time since they rid off the NotThem I realized how long it’s been since the last time I heard Sasha and that she’s gone (unless she appear sometime again but no spoiler)
You could hear how John was struggling to burn Jerry's page. He wanted to help, but his "Eye" influence was trying to stop him because knowledge. But he did it... He won this small battle. Which means a lot that he is not gone yet.
first let's start with the good things, it's VERY nice to hear Jon recognize his paranoia and take a hold of it. and, Jonathan, you sure seem a bit flustered over some office gossip. now, when the episode was trying to break my heart and I'm barely coherent anymore things: aw Melanie my girl... MARTIN YOURE GONNA MAKE ME CRY "I need him to be safe" I NEED TO WIN THIS ONR ON MY OWN/IM AFRAID ALL THE TIME. TIM. TIM NO. I swear if I could jump out of this screen and do more to help you than just... watching, I would. Sorry, dude. Also you better burn that damn thing John give Gerry some peace
Jeez I just so felt so many emotions during this episode I swear if anything happens to any them I'm going Berserk on Stranger. Don't care it's immortal Im ENDING IT Tim borderline suicidal tendency was so painful to listen too, I just want him to be happy and delivering his "statement of Joe spooky" again Martin, my boi, don't do anything stupid please Melanie is spiraling DOWN and I don't like it AT ALL And John's bit at the end, I really feared he wasn't going to burn the page. Congrats, man. Basira and Daisy better make it both out of this too I need them together
No Jon he literally doesn't owe you anything. YOU owed HIM one. For giving you that information. You burning his page is YOU paying HIM back. NOW you two are even.
i like melanie but why does she antagonize jon so much? what on earth did he do to her for her to wish him pain im?? sis he just called your show garbage it aint that deep
Rami Koh I never hated Melanie. I actually really liked her, but after this episode it all goes down the drain. No one at the Institute is having a good time but I feel like she’s blaming other people, mostly Jon, for her mistakes. She really needs to get over herself and stop complaining so much.
@@dracorei5143 she was literally shot with an Anger Bullet my mans, the antagonism was HUGELY due to supernatural interference and the rest due to a traumatic imprisonment in a shockingly dangerous workplace, u know? u don't have to like her as a character, but she wasn't intentionally being horrible to anyone, u feel me? sis was going thru it
@@dracorei5143 she was literally marked by the slaughter. She has as much control over her anger as Helen has in being creepy or Jon has on reading statements
i actually dont understand why they dislike jon at all actually???? Seems like everyones just throwing the blame on him for things he has little control over
@@SS-kv3iw He did feed the Eye at first. Like he had some awareness of when he would Compel people. But I feel like that's not the reason at all why people don't like him. And he's been trying really hard lately. So really it all seems misplaced. People blame Jon for THEIR OWN decisions.
so jon definitely listened to the "basira and melanie talk about martins crush on jon" tape and i also love that jon is actually trying to trust his friends!! im so proud of him it kind of sounds like melanie was maybe influenced/chosen/idk by the slaughter tbh, that would explain her anger and her murder attempts at least i think (but theyre also very valid and cool either way) martin i'm- "no jon its an expression chill out" rjgnerkgjnse im so worried about tim
“i dont know if i want to” TIM STOKER. FULL STOP. BAWLING MY EYES IUT i love him and miss him dearly every day of my life i hope tmp at least mentions him
the sounds of physical pain when Jon burnt the page.. another aspect of being an eye avatar? valuing knowledge so much that it actually hurts to erase it from the world...
I feel so terrible for Tim, I miss happy Tim. T_T Joe Spooky is Joe Sad. Also I'm proud of Jon burning the page, it probably wasn't easy for him due to the Eye but he did it.
Was... Daisy's statement just her loading.. a gun??? What a bastard icon
out of all of them i think i like her the least, just because of how cruel she is/was in her job, but "bastard icon" is a perfect way to sum her up, and man do i respect that
her statement perfectly sums up her character
I thought she was...murdering a water bottle or something
1: Rusty Quill Hearted this comment, 2: YES, that is most defiantly her preping a gun.
Jon: "office gossip"
Fans: 👀
Martin: "i need *him* to be ok"
Fans: 👀👀👀👀👀👀
I caught that on my second listen. AWWWWW.
4:36 that Melanie and Basira conversation 💀💀💀
"Tim addresses the audience to tell everyone that he hates *you* specifically." POV ASMR
Still true as frick
What did I ever fricking do to this guy - the audience
"No, Jon, it's an expression, chill out" ain't that a mood
honestly though i'm sure half of us were also like "web! web Martin!!" XD
@@b-blythe6763 yeah i have to admit when martin said 'web' i stopped what i was doing in shock
When he said web my eyes opened so quickly and I was like MARTIN NO-
Genuinely laughed out loud at this part
I GIGGLED
"aside from some, ah, office gossip, which I-I'm not sure is necessary, or conducive to a-a workplace..."
IT'S CANON BOYS HE HEARD THE JONMARTIN GOSSIP
@x y it be like that
DUDE WHAT EPISODE WAS THAT I CAN'T FIND IT
@@ghostofanant Timestamp 4:28 in this Episode
I was just coming to comment about that, I cannot BELIEVE I missed the time he outright acknowledged it the first time I listened through
And judging by the stammering... 👀
THIS IS A WIN
Bros. Tim went from bicon fratboi to Gertrude stan. If that ain't a sign of depression and trauma I don't know what is
Amen, bro.
none of those words are in the bible. amen
@@hitrow2099 hi jerma
@@skullsnbones_ hi paradoxrot_
Why'd I read bicon as bitcoin lmfao I was like, I missed that part
Martin's "I need HIM to be ok..." MADE ME SO SOFT OMGGG
OMG SAME 😭🥺
yup.. x3...... v.v he... he Had to have fallen for one of the most foolhardy dudes in all of history, didn't he?
Same ;-;
Yeah ngl it made me really soft as well
@@cupcaketv5673 Same, though I’m sure it made someone here hard.
Tim being borderline suicidal in this ep Really Hurts
YEP
Yeah...
I felt it OH BELIEVE me a felt it!
But at the same time, he finally got to make a choice, after having been trapped in this job for now year's, he finally got to choose what HE wanted.....
But he totally still should have just gone to therapy..... as everyone else should😅
It really is ;-;
Yeah...
It's kind of scary how we see other assistants changing because of the entities (Daisy with the hunt, Jon with the eye and Melanie probs let's be honest with either the hunt or the slaughter) but Tim, the guy is changing because he's just angry, traumatized and depressed. With Tim there's no *power* pulling the strings of his sanity. This comment brought to you by The Sad
I feel like we're all avatars of The Sad at this point :((
@@pathe8519 aye too real
I dunno, Tim's feeling kinda Desolation-y, with the whole, "I hurt so I'll make others hurt" thing.
@@SwirlyPinwheel having listened to the rest of it, all I'm gonna say is hold your wig
I feel like Tim may be the end or the lonely
MARTIN'S IMPRESSION OF JON O H M Y G O D WHY IS THAT SO FUNNY
"'Good lord is Martin becoming some sort of spider person?', no, Jon, it's an expression chill out."
Djsjjejdjdks
@@c.r.4985 the way he said "good lord!" had me in stitches
yeah i kept rewinding that part XD it was so perfect
"Office gossip" what Jon, you didn't blush when you heard them talk about Martin's little crush on you, did you? 😏😏😏
he's so oblivious?! "oh it's nothing" BRO HE LIKES YOU
I mean that, and pretty much outing him yeah
"Which I'm not sure is t-t-NECESSARY or t-CONDUSIVE" Bud no it's very true, Martin likes you a whole lot my man.
i don't think he fully believes it in this but ohohoho i definitely think he was flustered regardless
@@rorygiambalvo2955 bet elias was watching and muttering "it kinda is actually" & has flashbacks of how fast and accurately martin works whenever Jon asks
Just don't die Jon.... or Tim, or Basira, or Daisy
Nice save, Martin.
he even followed it up with an "I guess"!!! for real!!! like... dude.....
I CARE FOR ALL MY COWORKERS... Jon 🥺🥺🥺 and the... uh... others too i guess
@@lilaboxx I want Martin to disappear from this show because he’s suddenly been courted by Zac Effron and they’re off traveling the world or something. He’s so sweet to Jon and Jon doesn’t deserve him 😭🥺
@@timmagness7949 nooo, Jon tries his best and everyone is just bullying him at this point
"I guess"
No one mentioned how sad it is to hear Tim so bitter and almost asking to die in this? Tim, who in the beginning was fun and had 'connections' to the police, slowly growing so cold and bitter, isn't that worth noting?
it breaks your heart doesnt it. and the fact that he hates us for watching passively
Yeah it really hurts to see him like this
It hurts as hell dude.
'Statement of Joe Spooky regarding sinister happenings'
That it hurts is why it's best to avoid talking about it... :/ Far better to talk about the cuteness.
"Martin Blackwood, he was always scared and then he died. The end" had me fucking ROLLING
okay, basira's rant about daisy + martin talking about jon?
tma said gay rights
Wait, I've definitely seen you pfp before🤔 do you make comments on the tma channel often?
It's getting annoying actually. This was once about horror stories, that were actually good. Then it shifted to romance bs.
@@peacebuddha96I don't blame you for disliking the romance stuff, but that isn't really what changed the series. The world-building and the character development has been taking time away from the individual horror stories. The romance is only a small part of that. The fandom in the comments section just really likes to latch on to that aspect.
@@peacebuddha96 The TMA fandom is a lot more focused on the characters and other extra stuff really, rather than the actual horror stories podcast that TMA was before.
@@sarahshock6805 the world building is awesome in my opinion. I don't care so much about the characters especially not for their sexuality. That's just forced at this point
"i dont get those two"
"its a hell of a bond"
jon theyre lesbians
😂
mate he's oblivious to anything that touches relationship, have you seen his reaction to the """""office gossip"""""???
Jon is an oblivious dorky acearo icon
this was my exact thought as well
@@Manu-yw2nu He's not aro but he is ace
I feel like I’m personally to blame for everything that even happened to Tim
like I’m sorry dude
That's exactly how i felt too x))
like bro im sorry im listening in i can't help it
i know right same T-T i'm sorry
i genuinely cried a little at tim's statement. he's just so... bitter. he's so beaten down and angry and he has no where to go, he hasn't been *happy* since s1
I miss Joe Spooky :(
He was so happy in s1 and he deserves better... 🥺😭
@@lilaboxx
It was a bit of a mask wasn't it ? He had already lost his brother... But at this point he has lost hope too, I guess
@@macabrecitrus2127 i thought that he was doing a little better because he got along much better with Jon and Sasha was still there and that after s2 he felt a lot worse
@@lilaboxx
Yeah he definitely was doing better before ! All I'm saying is that some sadness was already here...
beaming ear to ear at Jon choosing to trust his colleagues aww :))
also the amount he stutters talking about "office gossip" lmao
martin keeps securing himself as my favourite over and over
"This feels like an ending"
Yea bro Season 3 is wrapping up
It must be so hard for Jon to destroy knowledge as an avatar of the eye...😔
It seems to physically pain him to the point he's almost incapable of doing it.
It was a moment where I could relate so heavily to wanting to preserve knowledge while also understanding that Gerry needs to be put to rest. It honestly kind of hurt me too.
i feel like Melanie's character is so underrated, and people forget that she was literally the person who caught the NotSasha. i really like Melanie, either way :)
ALSO:
"i need *him* to be okay"
MARTINNNNNNNNNN T^T
I'm so mixed about Melanie because on the one hand like I get it but the other hand I'm so scared of the fact that she's dead set on killing Elias after all he's said about all of them dying. Like,,, with everything else going on it just doesn't make sense and it wouldn't help and I get it she's traumatised obviously cause Elias is a d*ck but it really puts me on edge.
Melanie kind of annoys me. She is angry and feels so betrayed. But she was pretty much the only one who was warned before she became part of the archives AND had a choice. And yes, Elias is a dick, but she tried to kill him multiple times before he really did anything to her. And as the only one with any knowledge before choosing she still thinks herself the most cheated. Sigh...
Honestly, holding on to anger over a long time always kind of confused me in general. Anger is an defensive 'emotion' (or more precily: a reaction), when you can't confront your real feelings, because vulnerability, fear or hurt often are petrifying emotions, and you often have them in situations that (make you feel you) need you to be active. But holding on to that, means staying in denial while keeping the want to directionless destroy things (and hurt people) around you activ.
Yes, these emotions are difficult to process, I get that. And, yes, it takes time. But your a grown up, so take responsibility for yourself!
I think people often forget that she's being influenced by the Slaughter as we speak. It's not that obvious at the start, but the fact that she mentioned about her anger at the same time as she gave her statement about the ghost bullet on her leg is not a coincidence.
Of course she wants to kill Elias and of course she knows it will kill everyone. And what does Slaughter does? KILL EVERYONE
I think people often believe that she CHOSE to join the institute when that's flat out not the case. To me, it has always seemed obvious that she was compelled to join. That, to me, explains a lot of her anger.
@@PedroKing19Does Elias also have the ability to compel people? Cause this is my first run on the podcast and I remember both Tim and Martin telling her it's a bad idea to join as soon as Elias made the offer but she just seemed to ignore it. Then she went on but hurt that people weren't happy she was there after they told her she shouldn't have joined. Then she blamed John about her being stuck there when that whole happened while he was MIA at the institute. Its kinda why I'm still heavily on the fence about her. Also I feel like if Elias could've just compelled her then he would've done that again instead of traumatizing her into submission.
The first time I spoke out while listening to this podcast was to say "...no..." When Jon mentioned keeping Gerard's page.
The most relieved I've ever felt while listening was hearing Jon struggle, but finally burn the page.
My boy's not a monster, yet!
"yet" plzz ;~;
In a way, it feels like the opposite of what Jon becoming a monster would mean. He's the Avatar of the Beholder, meaning he feeds it with knowledge. Gerard, as Jon said, is a fountain of knowledge at his fingertips. Yet he still defies his patron and burns the page.
@King of Poliwhirls I love this detail especially because you can HEAR Jon hurting from burning the page. He's hurting for getting rid of endless knowledge and The Eye hurts him because it hurts to lose that page. This series is too much 😭
* Despite everything, he's still him.
“Yet”
Jon's acting in the last statement is excellent! It sounded like he was in so much pain when burning the page
Jerry's page?
@@caseygrothe3791 I think it's because he was destroying knowledge, which is not what the Eye does.
@@mimkyodar Either that or its the Desolation and the reminder of the pain in his hand after getting burned.
@@coffeewolfproductions9113 I actually immediately started wondering if he was holding it with his burned had, and thought: John! Dropp it before you burn you're hand again! 😅
@@azulBjort_1406 AKFJAKCJDR
Yeah I can see that XD
Bro!!! It deadass physically pained Jon to burn Gerry’s page, but he still did it!! Go Jon for resisting your spoopy instincts!!
He had to COMPEL HIMSELF to do it. Still human despite the powers.
A single word: “Okay.”
Nice work Daisy, a real heartwarming statement, coming from a place deep within.
I love her.
it's a mood, tho
she is the girl we all need tbh
George Icarus is a suiting pseudonym. In the end it's hubris that got him.
Really? Shouldn't it be "George Lead Pipe?"
@@vivecthepoet36 Or "George Extended Sounds of Brutal Pipe Murder"?
edit: iTs a fAmiLy nAmE
@@vivecthepoet36 bit on the nose, i think
yeah i was thinking the same thing!
@@vivecthepoet36 OMG NOOOO
"rest in... just rest" broke me... jerry :( and just this whole episode was a suckerpunch, tim being basically suicidal is just so heartbreaking
tim feels like the kind of guy that wouldnt be as surprised as much as DELIGHTED to find out the eye was an audience of physical people. if only so that hed have something physical to pour his rage on
Stop implying that Tim could break through my wall every second to violently slaughter me with his axe
@@cae2212 oh god oh fuck
@@cae2212 I mean multiple statements have been given regarding entering an alternate universe.....
Jon getting all hesitant and stuttering when talking about the office gossip? He was definitely thinking about Martin’s crush lmao
I quite liked these. As someone with a long history of PTSD, I really felt Melanie's "When did I lose the parts of me that weren't just anger?", misdirected as that anger may be. And don't get me started on Martin and Tim's statements... I get the awful feeling I'll really need to bring out the paper tissue box for the next couple of episodes.
Right? You forget what it was like to not Hurt
oh yeah it's such good writing
"good lord is martin becoming some sort of spider person?" I am laughing so hard
First it was ghosts, now it’s spiders🤣🤣🤣
OFFICE GOSSIP!! HAS JON HEARD BASIRA AND MELANIE DISCUSSING MARTIN'S M A S S I V E CRUSH???
Jon saying "it's fine" about the office gossip but sounding really hurt made me so sad.
And the end when he's scared but burns the page anyways and whispers "just rest"? oof ouch I didn't need a heart!
So... lemme get this straight...
All of the protagonists are either marked by or under the influence of one of the... uh... "patrons".
Jon- Beholding
Melanie- The Slaughter
Martin- The Web
Daisy- The Hunt
Georgie- The End
Basira- i dunno
Tim- The Unknown
Very clever indeed
For a second I thought there was another "patron" called 'i dunno' lol
basira is just the one normal person among the bunch of freaks
Yeah and also that one dude had that creepy conversation with Martin, the Lukas one, and Brasira also had a run in with the darkness guy too but I don’t know these are just observations. I don’t really think Martin fits the web but I’m not really sure cause he isn’t really scared of spiders.
I think Basira goes with The Dark, 'cause it's pretty much the reason why she ended everything with the police and ended up working in the archives
Yeah... After much deliberation I would have to agree with peach here. Especially because from all I cam gather, the Dark feeds on faith, and Basira still has a bit of Muslim left in her despite all that's going on around her, as evidenced by ep121 when she gets irritated when Georgie calls the fears "Gods"
This episode really solidified Jon as one of the good guys for me. Overcoming every personal and supernatural instinct to preserve the wealth of information that Gerry was, and keeping his promise? Bangarang.
"I need... HIM, to be okay" OOF
Oh how Tim says it only takes to talk to the wrong person, open the wrong door, take the wrong train... I think that's what's scary and real about TMA. Horrible things can happen no matter whether you are looking for trouble or minding your own bussines.
Tim's character...development...if you could call it that... It really, really hurts.
S1 finale: "Statement of Joe Spooky regarding sinister happenings!"
S3 finale: "Honestly, I hope that John learned something from her because, because I don’t expect I’m going to be coming back from this..."
This S1 Tim was so short-lived. He appeared, won our hearts over with one phrase, and then turned into air and smoke, a beautiful memory of something that could have been, but wasn't.
And I know. I know that Tim was a front. He never actually existed. There always was only this angry, depressed, broken man with no hope and no reason to live anymore. But it still. Hurts.
I do wish everyone didn't hate Jon so...baselessly. Tim, Melanie, and later Basira, treat Jon like he isn't also just some poor bastard who stumbled into this nightmare just because an evil mastermind and his dark god have singled Jon out.
Kinda like an interim manager who everybody's super pissed at but they have no real power bc the Boss is actually the one pulling the strings. To be fair Jon's p much left them to their own defices (again, not his fault!)
I feel like the only person that's actually doing it baselessly is Basira. Tim was getting stalked by jon in S2 and by season 3 is basically just about off the deep end, and Melanie's got a slaughter bullet inside of her, but Basira is kinda just... a bitch. She can tolerate daisy, but not jon when hes starting to go through the same thing she did.
@@DJSilly9Basira's hypocrisy is something that season 5 tries to deal with but never really succeeds at. She needed to acknowledge her own culpability and enabiling of Dasiy but never got a chance to as they barreled toward the finally. I would have appreciated a few more episodes with Basira instead of Georgie, Melanie, and their sycophants, personally.
It's Melanie's constant refusal to take responsibility for her own choices while blaming Jon that really sours me on her. Slaughter influenced her but she made _choices_ , just like all the other characters, but is the only one who tries to excuse them by blaming others (namely Jon).
The theme of the series is free will and choice. Melanie in my opinion shows what happens when we shirk responsibility for our choices.
She ends up blind.
martens excitement for arson is hilarious to me for some reason
yet another reason martin is my favorite character
Daisy's statement is top notch
To think Tim was happy once...damn.
Martin just gave me 10 years of life.
Tell Jon you love him plzz
Also man Jon has come along way...
I didn't think I could like Martin any more than I did, but his opinion on spiders is rare, and appreciated >v<
Martin’s my favorite still ofc but damn, removing knowledge really does hurt the guy meant to store it all away, huh?
"Statement ends"
Tim is a deeply heartbreaking character.
Tim's cranking out those death flags like crazy
Also Gerry :CC
The climb before the climax is so exhilarating @_@
"Rest in uh... just rest." Idk why, but I really liked that line.
jon finally allowing himself to trust people in the prelude to what could very well be the cause of their deaths is such a jon thing...it’s like. wow!! no better bonding activity than going on a 3 hour roadtrip and committing arson to save the world!!
Jon talking abt Basria and Melanie gossiping is my favourite thing ever lmaooooooo
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Martin saying that he needed Jon to be okay made a piece of my soul leave my body that's so PURE
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I swear Tim being "I wanna die during this" made me think of when I was like that and I almost started crying
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hA ! Martin doing a lil impression of Jon is the funniest thing to me oh my g o d
The JONMARTIN feels in this episode!!!!
I feel like...does anyone else feel like the Slaughter has touched a nerve with Melanie? The fact that she is very angry most of the time? After being shot by the war ghosts in India? Maybe instead of killing Elias she just pokes his eyes out? Would that even help?
i'm so glad jon burned gerry's page like he asked, even if it physically hurt him. you're doing amazing sweetie
"Except Elias" lol
They're all aligning with different powers. That's going to lead to either one heck of a team or a catastrophic breakup.
I haven't felt so much fear, resentment, trepidation and apprehension before a group visit to a wax museum since last time I was taken to a wax museum.
And you will _never_ go to a wax museum and see it the same way again 😂. TMA does things to you.
for a horror podcast its really nice how tma depicts the horrors of war and imperialism from the cololized places (aka china & india), even just in passing
"I need him to be ok."
Oh. Oh, Martin. Please be safe.
Martin: I need him to be okay
me: 😳😳😳
Oh dear the death flags in this episode...
Martin, oh... oh martin,,,, I love you,,,
Martin's like of spiders is forshadowing something, I feel anyway
Fauxshadowing
“And aside from some office gossip, which I’m not sure is t-tr-NECESSARY,”
Oh man, this dude. Just go and ask him, for goodness’ sake.
This is my second or third time listening and it took me just now to realize that every time Melanie starts speaking about the violence she wants to commit . . . the background rumbles. Like when Michael shows up and the tape starts hissing.
OH SHIT
Yeah. Everything about Melanie from the first episode she's in is Slaughter influenced. It's only on a relisten you get it but her trip to The Cambridge Military Hospital, the train yard and Indian are ALL Slaughter manifestations. The first statement she reads is Slaughter. This episode statement alludes to her association with the Slaughter.
The "i need him to be okay" and "jon just dont die or Tim or Basira or Daisy" got me almost crying and also laughing cause like wow Martin just completely forgot he was on tape that Jon could fricken look at later
I miss how carefree and easy going Tim was. He’s going to keep spiraling, if he lives. I have my doubts about that. Unfortunately killing Tim off makes the most sense from a narrative standpoint
A silent minute for Sasha please, who cannot be with us in these times.
(For the first time since they rid off the NotThem I realized how long it’s been since the last time I heard Sasha and that she’s gone (unless she appear sometime again but no spoiler)
"i need /him/ to be ok" I AM GOING TO CRY
You could hear how John was struggling to burn Jerry's page. He wanted to help, but his "Eye" influence was trying to stop him because knowledge.
But he did it... He won this small battle. Which means a lot that he is not gone yet.
Martin- "I need him to be okay."
Me- *clutches my heart and gasps*
You can hear him trying to hide his blush when he talks about the “office gossip” he listened to on the tapes~
I’ve never been prouder of Jon than at the end of this episode.
"I trust them. All of them. Except Elias"
🤝
Tim's "SuRe LeT's TrUsT ElIaS"
first let's start with the good things, it's VERY nice to hear Jon recognize his paranoia and take a hold of it. and, Jonathan, you sure seem a bit flustered over some office gossip. now, when the episode was trying to break my heart and I'm barely coherent anymore things: aw Melanie my girl... MARTIN YOURE GONNA MAKE ME CRY "I need him to be safe" I NEED TO WIN THIS ONR ON MY OWN/IM AFRAID ALL THE TIME. TIM. TIM NO. I swear if I could jump out of this screen and do more to help you than just... watching, I would. Sorry, dude. Also you better burn that damn thing John give Gerry some peace
Jeez I just so felt so many emotions during this episode
I swear if anything happens to any them I'm going Berserk on Stranger. Don't care it's immortal Im ENDING IT
Tim borderline suicidal tendency was so painful to listen too, I just want him to be happy and delivering his "statement of Joe spooky" again
Martin, my boi, don't do anything stupid please
Melanie is spiraling DOWN and I don't like it AT ALL
And John's bit at the end, I really feared he wasn't going to burn the page. Congrats, man.
Basira and Daisy better make it both out of this too I need them together
I ship Daisy and Basira *_violently_*
SAME, i just love them so much omg
OP ARE YOU OK AFTER 179 HOW DO YOU FEEL
@@drorey9437 I'm really happy you weren't more specific. Now I'll be at the edge of my seat waiting for one of them to die or for them to kiss.
@@nanusantos1696 tell me how that goes when you get there! I wanna hear your reaction!!
same
No Jon he literally doesn't owe you anything. YOU owed HIM one. For giving you that information. You burning his page is YOU paying HIM back. NOW you two are even.
i like melanie but why does she antagonize jon so much? what on earth did he do to her for her to wish him pain im?? sis he just called your show garbage it aint that deep
Rami Koh I never hated Melanie. I actually really liked her, but after this episode it all goes down the drain. No one at the Institute is having a good time but I feel like she’s blaming other people, mostly Jon, for her mistakes. She really needs to get over herself and stop complaining so much.
@@dracorei5143 y'all b feelin real stupid right about now XD
WeAreAirborne Why? Because she hurt herself? I’m glad she’s out of the Institute. I hope she’s barely in season 5 if she’s in it at all.
@@dracorei5143 she was literally shot with an Anger Bullet my mans, the antagonism was HUGELY due to supernatural interference and the rest due to a traumatic imprisonment in a shockingly dangerous workplace, u know? u don't have to like her as a character, but she wasn't intentionally being horrible to anyone, u feel me? sis was going thru it
@@dracorei5143 she was literally marked by the slaughter. She has as much control over her anger as Helen has in being creepy or Jon has on reading statements
Greatly enjoyed everyone's statements (and Jon in the last segment) but man Martin's was my favourite.
TIL 'smörgåsbord' is a word, and it's a wonderful word.
On a different note, wonder if that ghost bullet is why Melanie seems so angry all the time?
Ya know I understand why completely but it's sad that only about 3 and half people actually like john
A half?
@@mackenziedillon295 Martin is worth more than one person, we love him
i actually dont understand why they dislike jon at all actually???? Seems like everyones just throwing the blame on him for things he has little control over
@@SS-kv3iw He did feed the Eye at first. Like he had some awareness of when he would Compel people. But I feel like that's not the reason at all why people don't like him. And he's been trying really hard lately. So really it all seems misplaced. People blame Jon for THEIR OWN decisions.
I really want Jon to have more friends T-T
Basira’s “at the request of Jonathan Sims” is giving strong “go ask mom what’s for dinner” “mom, Alice wants me to ask what’s for dinner” vibes
so jon definitely listened to the "basira and melanie talk about martins crush on jon" tape and i also love that jon is actually trying to trust his friends!! im so proud of him
it kind of sounds like melanie was maybe influenced/chosen/idk by the slaughter tbh, that would explain her anger and her murder attempts at least i think (but theyre also very valid and cool either way)
martin i'm-
"no jon its an expression chill out" rjgnerkgjnse
im so worried about tim
I must say, it is quite hard to feel any sympathy for Daisy. Still loving the series, though!
I fully agree. Daisy and Melanie are difficult. Amazing series regardless.
Frick Daisy
Even the intro sounds more tired, I like it
Martin *doing an impression of Jon* :"Good lord is Martin becoming some sort of spider person??" seems like everyone's getting sick of Jon's BS.
Practically half the comments here are about Martin being marked by the Web. Basically becoming a spider person.
"It's amazing how much you can ignore when you keep your head in a book."
Bookworms : Don't WE know it 😏
I love how Martin basically confesses in this tape as if Jon isn’t gonna listen to all these also Tim’s statement 😭
Yeah. Martin basically confirms he's _in_ love with Jon here.
All of these statements made me really emotional :'(((
I just want everybody to be okay, and make it out alive
Martins impression of Jon had me rolling "no Jon it's an expression chill out" LMAOO
Tim saying that he hates us...
Yeah... I'm an Avatar of The sad now...
“i dont know if i want to” TIM STOKER. FULL STOP. BAWLING MY EYES IUT i love him and miss him dearly every day of my life i hope tmp at least mentions him
So an avatar of BEHOLDING cannot physically destroy knowledge without an extraordinary amount of willpower, hunnn fascinating.
the sounds of physical pain when Jon burnt the page.. another aspect of being an eye avatar? valuing knowledge so much that it actually hurts to erase it from the world...
jon's stuttering when talking about office gossip is hilarious
I just remembered notSasha had been going out to lunch w her "boyfriend" at Madame Tussaud's
Man was kicking his feet and twirling his hair talking about the "office gossip"
I feel so terrible for Tim, I miss happy Tim. T_T
Joe Spooky is Joe Sad.
Also I'm proud of Jon burning the page, it probably wasn't easy for him due to the Eye but he did it.
Martin: *BABE MUST RETURN SAFE* and I hope the world doesn't end or whateva