Gloom ward and permafrost are insanely good talents. Permafrost can stack up to twenty percent of your health, which gloomward buffs. AMS alone makes gloomward worth it, being like 400k+ absorb. Hell I'm like 60% sure gloomward affects your AMZ, so that's even more value. It's especially wild because you're taking blood scent over both of them, when it's very easy to math out leech being way worse than both. Also very crazy to drop blood draw for runic plate, runic plates roughly shakes out to be a 1% physical DR against the flat 10% DR of blood draw when it triggers, combined with the reduced cost of DS. Neither are particularly good talents, but at least blood draw does something. To clarify on stats early, while stat priority exist only to verify sim data, mastery is in a much stronger position than haste, outside of an early spike in haste value. This is doubly true in AoE where FDK's damage profile is even more frost damage slanted. Razor Ice should be on MH, for shattering blade builds, as there are a few abilities that hit solely with the MH, and you want to get a RI stack off that. If you're playing breath, you want to play Stoneskin Gargoyle and Fallen crusader over RI, as the capstone arctic assault gives us all the RI stacks we could possibly need even in AoE, so you'd rather just take the 6% MS. Transmitter is pretty definitely simbait, if you miss any task you immediately lose a third of it's value and goes way under other trinkets. For the weapon situation, just ran a few sims, www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skDZnaV83BoMC6xkq7kcNs Keep in mind I am easily the most retarded of people who do any frost TC work, but it looks like double grippies is BiS for dungeon slice even over a mythic weapon. MMV of course, and employ your own sims eagerly and often. About the pillar a few clarifications. In AoE you absolutely do want to use RW inside pillar if it comes up. That shit slaps. Reaper's mark is fine inside pillar in ST, it does 350% AP if your resources can't handle RM pre-pillar - as in RM will result in you having to overcap KM procs inside pillar to use - it is the right play to hold it for during pillar, and in AoE RM should be inside pillar to optimize wave of souls damage. DnD should always be after pillar, it is a (minor) increase to use DnD pre-pillar without The Long Winter (12 second Pillar), but with TLW (18 second Pillar) all you're doing is trading a GCD inside pillar for a GCD of DnD lost, which in AoE results in a net loss. There is a line where you go into pillar with a KM proc already ready, where DnD pre pillar is the right play even for TLW, but only if FF is already applied, because otherwise you want to apply FF. Pillar and breath are both off the GCD, and should be sent together. Technically the correct play is to breath, wait for Unleashed frenzy to stack, then Pillar but that's a pretty minor optimization. Some notes about breath, you only use rime if you have 60+ RP. Rime makes Howling Blast free, rather than refunds runes, so it does not give any RP unless you are playing a specific talent, which makes it a really dangerous button to press when breath goes into 'danger' territory. Soul reaper is used inside pillar in ST as the highest priority KM generator if you have 3+ runes in execute.
Thanks for the write up, that was excellent. I just got 4 set and plan to swap to breath. Any tips/tricks for someone new to breath beyond what yoda said?
@@zacplumridge3833 be careful of using rime procs in breath, with our haste you’ll often run out of gcds before you run out of runes. Also don’t hyper focus on breath, your 45’s are still incredibly strong.
Some rotational inaccuracies - slappy hands goes before RW, RW isn't used during obliteration pillar windows but is during Breath. Wowhead and icy veins guides have the prio lists. Acherus discord is fantastic for players of all skill levels. Breath requires a coordinated group to play around it in keys.
Thanks for the guide as always! Do you plan on doing an Assassin Rogue guide as well? I know you haven't been playing it much but you were my main resource for Rogue related things. Either way, keep up the great content!
Hey @YoDaTV, would it be possible to make a guide also for assassination rogue, I feel like there is no content creators explaining assassination rogue. Thanks and love your content!
Yes it does, many abilities count as main hand attacks so it stacks the debuff faster. Fallen Crusader can be on the offhand since it's rppm it literally doesnt matter how many times you are hitting for that one.
i feel really silly, i just noticed i didnt have soul reaper on my skill bars, but nobody in any videos is even mentioning the skill. is this not used due to it costing a rune and not being worth it?
Been wondering this myself as I seem to be pulling similar dummy parses with BoS and Shatter builds. Maybe it scales better in higher keys rather than the dummies, but I really don't know and can't see why I'd move off Shatter to BoS right now, but I'm sure there must be a reason because all the top M+ FDK are doing BoS.
learning the class, thansk! question if anyone can answer or if yoda could himself but i assume it is not worth to dnd during pillar? just let it fall off? anyone know?
Generally speaking, does DW or 2H make more sense for Frost DK if you don't have good gear or are still leveling? Can someone enlighten me on this? I haven't found a correct or up-to-date answer to this on the forums or anywhere else on Google. :/
I came here to learn how to play DK. During rotation all I hear is hit this before this but not before this then this but this and that and then this and that...... God I miss Classic Era lmao
I'm new to DK, is Death Strike really that valuable for a Frost DK? I just feel like it is 2 talent points and a bunch of button bloat for a little bit of survivability. Like I said, I'm new so i don't really have a stake in the opinion box, but I just have not been running it in favor of talent points elsewhere.
taking death strike is great, using it as a big AOE in raid or dungeon can take pressure off your healer and it's great when you're stuck in floor aoe while you move out. Had many dungeons where healer dies and me and tank solo survive a boss because of it
@@MrMagicRman Ty. I didn’t reach high keys when I posted it but I’m getting there! I’ll try it out. Used to heal so I can understand the “pressure” part
@@thomasmartin5563 Yeah, when I heal having any DK is just relief if they use it right, the only issue is with worse healers sometimes they leave you with no heals if you overuse it as they see you as self sufficient but that's rare 8)
I try this today. I cant manage to do more dps than unholy. I zried wowhead guida and icy veigns . I cant manage to do more damage. So frustrating. To manage the easier specc :(
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Gloom ward and permafrost are insanely good talents. Permafrost can stack up to twenty percent of your health, which gloomward buffs. AMS alone makes gloomward worth it, being like 400k+ absorb. Hell I'm like 60% sure gloomward affects your AMZ, so that's even more value. It's especially wild because you're taking blood scent over both of them, when it's very easy to math out leech being way worse than both.
Also very crazy to drop blood draw for runic plate, runic plates roughly shakes out to be a 1% physical DR against the flat 10% DR of blood draw when it triggers, combined with the reduced cost of DS. Neither are particularly good talents, but at least blood draw does something.
To clarify on stats early, while stat priority exist only to verify sim data, mastery is in a much stronger position than haste, outside of an early spike in haste value. This is doubly true in AoE where FDK's damage profile is even more frost damage slanted.
Razor Ice should be on MH, for shattering blade builds, as there are a few abilities that hit solely with the MH, and you want to get a RI stack off that. If you're playing breath, you want to play Stoneskin Gargoyle and Fallen crusader over RI, as the capstone arctic assault gives us all the RI stacks we could possibly need even in AoE, so you'd rather just take the 6% MS.
Transmitter is pretty definitely simbait, if you miss any task you immediately lose a third of it's value and goes way under other trinkets.
For the weapon situation, just ran a few sims,
www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skDZnaV83BoMC6xkq7kcNs
Keep in mind I am easily the most retarded of people who do any frost TC work, but it looks like double grippies is BiS for dungeon slice even over a mythic weapon. MMV of course, and employ your own sims eagerly and often.
About the pillar a few clarifications. In AoE you absolutely do want to use RW inside pillar if it comes up. That shit slaps. Reaper's mark is fine inside pillar in ST, it does 350% AP if your resources can't handle RM pre-pillar - as in RM will result in you having to overcap KM procs inside pillar to use - it is the right play to hold it for during pillar, and in AoE RM should be inside pillar to optimize wave of souls damage.
DnD should always be after pillar, it is a (minor) increase to use DnD pre-pillar without The Long Winter (12 second Pillar), but with TLW (18 second Pillar) all you're doing is trading a GCD inside pillar for a GCD of DnD lost, which in AoE results in a net loss. There is a line where you go into pillar with a KM proc already ready, where DnD pre pillar is the right play even for TLW, but only if FF is already applied, because otherwise you want to apply FF.
Pillar and breath are both off the GCD, and should be sent together. Technically the correct play is to breath, wait for Unleashed frenzy to stack, then Pillar but that's a pretty minor optimization.
Some notes about breath, you only use rime if you have 60+ RP. Rime makes Howling Blast free, rather than refunds runes, so it does not give any RP unless you are playing a specific talent, which makes it a really dangerous button to press when breath goes into 'danger' territory.
Soul reaper is used inside pillar in ST as the highest priority KM generator if you have 3+ runes in execute.
You're a legend.
Thanks for the write up, that was excellent. I just got 4 set and plan to swap to breath. Any tips/tricks for someone new to breath beyond what yoda said?
You mention "RW" is that Empowered Rune Weapon you're refering to? New player here
@@vildjuret6591 remorseless winter
@@zacplumridge3833 be careful of using rime procs in breath, with our haste you’ll often run out of gcds before you run out of runes. Also don’t hyper focus on breath, your 45’s are still incredibly strong.
Seeing you open your talents and show us Breath of Sindy absolutely shattered my soul. My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.
Absolutely repulsive
I too fkn hate the shit out of breath, I stopped playing FDK for 6 years because of this shit !
@@gloom5031 whats wrong with breathe
@@gloom5031I feel you man.
I'd rather play Unholy instead of BoS.
For me in legion BoS was the funniest i ever played, try to keep uptime on bos on max. Was so fun!
Ty so much man much needed! Didnt work out how to BoS the right way. This helped me a ton
Some rotational inaccuracies - slappy hands goes before RW, RW isn't used during obliteration pillar windows but is during Breath. Wowhead and icy veins guides have the prio lists. Acherus discord is fantastic for players of all skill levels.
Breath requires a coordinated group to play around it in keys.
The algorithm is scary, the moment I thought "I should listen to a DK guide to see if I'm missing anything" I scroll down to see this
dont forget to comment [ADVANCED] into the comment section to unlock the final 3:54 minutes of the guide
Thanks for the guide as always! Do you plan on doing an Assassin Rogue guide as well? I know you haven't been playing it much but you were my main resource for Rogue related things. Either way, keep up the great content!
Bro made a guide based around "this is xyz but I'm not sure", "I think you should use this but I'm not sure"
Really good video!
what WA are those? I like the simplicity of this. Can any1 share similiar to that?
Thanks for the frost guide ! Could you also give us the week auras you use to keep track of pillar etc ?
love your vids are we getting assa rogue guide any time soon sir ?
not sure if Yoda will do one but if you haven't seen it yet, Whispyr has a pretty comprehensive assa rogue vid up.
@@raechu_01210 ah ty mate that's a big help much love brother
Hi. U forgot to use trinket when showing non BoS rotation. Cause of it looks like BoS build do much more dmg but it's not quite like that
curious what you would consider dropping for horn, IDT is not worth dropping i dont think but having horn seems like the play for breath
Mark of khardos, is BIS trinket, it’s only 1% drop chance from erudax in grim batol, I got it right after getting sacbrood 😏
Thanks for putting a guide out Yoda.
Hey @YoDaTV, would it be possible to make a guide also for assassination rogue, I feel like there is no content creators explaining assassination rogue. Thanks and love your content!
I believe Razor ice goes in the main hand now
Hell No
Yes it does, many abilities count as main hand attacks so it stacks the debuff faster. Fallen Crusader can be on the offhand since it's rppm it literally doesnt matter how many times you are hitting for that one.
@@Proverb. Hell No
Hasn't razor ice been on main hand since forever now? Haven't played frost in ages...
DW razorice has always been mainhand
Which build we should use on M+ ? Breath or Shattering
so a macro that activates pilar em reapers mark is awful? i dont get it y i shouldnt press then together, can u help me?
Love your guides
razor in off hand??
Can you explain what is a high and low key for you?
i feel really silly, i just noticed i didnt have soul reaper on my skill bars, but nobody in any videos is even mentioning the skill. is this not used due to it costing a rune and not being worth it?
What would you say is the "Sweet spot" to use BoS over the standard M+ shattered frost build? +10 keys or higher?
Been wondering this myself as I seem to be pulling similar dummy parses with BoS and Shatter builds. Maybe it scales better in higher keys rather than the dummies, but I really don't know and can't see why I'd move off Shatter to BoS right now, but I'm sure there must be a reason because all the top M+ FDK are doing BoS.
Hey nice video, so my dream of playing two handed frost is over🤣
How do you think frost will perform after the 20th anniversary tuning?
learning the class, thansk! question if anyone can answer or if yoda could himself but i assume it is not worth to dnd during pillar? just let it fall off? anyone know?
Think he said you use one pre-pillar and every other pillar you can double d&d because of cds
17:40 yep happened to me Limb into the Fox and killed us
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I will not use reaper's mark. I like the rider of the apocalypse build better. YOU WILL NOT FORCE ME TO USE IT PAL
Generally speaking, does DW or 2H make more sense for Frost DK if you don't have good gear or are still leveling? Can someone enlighten me on this? I haven't found a correct or up-to-date answer to this on the forums or anywhere else on Google. :/
I think DW is better in general but if you’re leveling and you get a really good 2h use that probably.
Just use whatever is higher ilvl when leveling. No sense in caring when it's gonna get replaced in a day.
Is it bad to have reapers mark and pillar makrod together?
nah, both have a similiar cd and you should do that, idk if reapers mark has a gcd but its good dw
I came here to learn how to play DK. During rotation all I hear is hit this before this but not before this then this but this and that and then this and that......
God I miss Classic Era lmao
Exactly1 I have no idea what he is saying 😩
@SK-iy2nz yea I git it to level 80 and ditched it. I was to lazy to gear up I was so under gear lol and frustrated from dying to much. I said F it
You gotta have some basic knowledge of the abilities atleast. You want everything spoonfed for you?
Please bro share ur auras
597 Brycen Oval
Thanks i love UH but I think that, at the moment, frost is better than uh, right?
In raid which build suggest ti use?
Thanks
Breath is about 2% ahead of shattering blade but will perform worse if your windows are too short. Sb is noticeably easier
I'm new to DK, is Death Strike really that valuable for a Frost DK? I just feel like it is 2 talent points and a bunch of button bloat for a little bit of survivability. Like I said, I'm new so i don't really have a stake in the opinion box, but I just have not been running it in favor of talent points elsewhere.
it is needed trust.
taking death strike is great, using it as a big AOE in raid or dungeon can take pressure off your healer and it's great when you're stuck in floor aoe while you move out.
Had many dungeons where healer dies and me and tank solo survive a boss because of it
@@MrMagicRman Ty. I didn’t reach high keys when I posted it but I’m getting there! I’ll try it out. Used to heal so I can understand the “pressure” part
@@thomasmartin5563 Yeah, when I heal having any DK is just relief if they use it right, the only issue is with worse healers sometimes they leave you with no heals if you overuse it as they see you as self sufficient but that's rare 8)
PROT WARRIOR PLEASE I NEED IT
I try this today. I cant manage to do more dps than unholy. I zried wowhead guida and icy veigns . I cant manage to do more damage. So frustrating. To manage the easier specc :(
SIM ur damage on each spec and see what ur doing differently
still making necrotic wake/seige of boralus dungeon guides?
Razorice is main hand... haste is waay to high. LIke you said - sim your self :-\
As soon as I saw this was a breath build I was done. So lame.