how to bypass a MMM on a suzuki marauder

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  • @billkutkus281
    @billkutkus281 10 років тому +10

    Like so many of your now fans, I too have spent countless hours trying to figure out why this POS won't start like it did when I bought it in 1997. Removed the carbs 5 times ( they did need cleaning ), replaced the battery every year ( jumping from the truck worked every time ), and recently tuned the carbs with a buddy ( also needed after removing the carbs so many times ). Still the POS always has had the rrrrslip, rrrrrrslip,rrrrpop, no start!!!! About sold it a dozen times and like other post'er, wanted to drive it off a cliff! THANKS MAN, YOU HAVE DEFINITLY PAID IT FORWARD FOR MANY RIDERS AND YEARS TO COME!!!!

  • @jermeywampler654
    @jermeywampler654 8 років тому +3

    Guy just sold me a 99 marauder real cheap because he thought it was having electrical issues due to this craptastic pos mmm, I threw out the mmm jumped the wires together and it is doing great now THANKS!!!

  • @lauralonati8337
    @lauralonati8337 12 років тому +4

    hey man,your video is spot on. rebuilt the starter,replaced the battery,the dealer just tried to sell us another battery. took out the MMM, problem solved. Thank you!!!

  • @steveyeary3796
    @steveyeary3796 9 років тому +2

    Just bought a low miles Suzuki Marauder with slow start problems. Previous owner put in new battery, no improvement. I watched the video, bypassed the MMM in about 5 minutes. Immediate results. Wow-great video. Starts first time every time. Thanks!

  • @Feverdream7777
    @Feverdream7777 10 років тому +1

    for the past 3 years I've had my 2000 VZ800, it wont' start below 50 degrees. So, I would put a space heater and blanket on it just to get it to start in the morning... I'm really thankful I found this video... I just did the wiring fix you suggested now, and hopefully it fixes my cold slow start problem, I'll let you know ASAP. Regards and Thank you.

  • @Gabriel-x2y
    @Gabriel-x2y 3 роки тому +12

    The suzuki vz800 has two starter relay. one with the fuses in it (which is under the green cover in this video. That one is your usual starter solenoid and relay. The MMM is the (Starter Control relay) the yellow green wire goes to all needed auxiliary. (yellow and Black) goes to (the Starter relay, Solenoid) and white is (body ground). When performing a start the (Starter Control relay, MMM) ack has an open ground to shut all none needed auxiliary to perform the start up of the engine. Now here's the funny part (the Starter relay, Solenoid) already performing that action threw the rectifier. Resulting of poor starting condition due to too much ground. By doing the bypass the starter get is well needed voltage and the only difference now is that the fuel pump is shut off during the crank has its the MMM before that control it to stay on during crank. But for carbureted engine the gas in the carburator is more then enough for the starting procedure. After the crank all auxiliary goes back to normal power. And why this happen over time ?? because your starter is an hungry beast for power. With time has its getting older more power is needed to turn it over. (But so do everything else like the fuel pump, Cooling fan and even light).

    • @SPJBR
      @SPJBR 3 роки тому

      Wow! That makes perfect sense. Thanks. 👍🏻
      Any idea why this bike doesn't like starting in cold weather?

    • @Ladosligese
      @Ladosligese 2 роки тому

      so this hack wont harm the bike in any way ? .. heard something about clutch switch etc etc

    • @Gabriel-x2y
      @Gabriel-x2y 2 роки тому +2

      @@Ladosligese no it won't hurt the bike. It's a little more hard on the starter brush (instead of 15years before new brush maybe 10). Depending how hard you ride versus how many time you start the bike. But nothing alarming and time to time you might get a turn over of the starter. Which is nothing dangerous or neither armful. It's the starter continuing to do a couples turn to discharge itself at start-up. In all those years of having the mmm remove mine only did that twice. Because of perfect startup which mean the engine started perfectly right away and the starter discharged itself of the unwanted energy. Simple.

  • @lotuselanplus2s
    @lotuselanplus2s 14 років тому +6

    I restored my Marauder and have never seen that module,saying that i don't have a starting problem,another thing i have done is ,there is a hole in the rear or the headlight shell,i have placed a switch there and cut the ground wire for the head light and wired it through the switch,,that done i can switch off my headlight so it starts even better without having to share the battery with the headlight.

  • @Marauder896
    @Marauder896 12 років тому +1

    this helped me a lot. just tried this on my 2000 marauder 800. took me like 3 min. and it seemed to work butifuly. thanks

  • @johnnyd83
    @johnnyd83 13 років тому +6

    Man, I replayed this video 5 times just to hear the sweet sound of the engine turning over from just pressing the starter button.
    My 99 was driving me crazy! I had to gap the starter solenoid every time I wanted to ride!
    I'm definitely trying this fix tomorrow.

  • @creedux
    @creedux 13 років тому

    Tried ... Tested ... and TRUE !
    This was my first motorcycle I have rebuilt and ran into this starter issue ... makes a world of difference !
    Thanks for the tip !

  • @michaelslack5269
    @michaelslack5269 5 років тому

    Just acquired a 99 Marauder thank you so much for info...for me this is huge!

  • @BoldCreator
    @BoldCreator 7 років тому

    I have hade this startup problem several years not knowing what's The cause!
    Thank you! I will try this immediately

  • @v1kt0r2505
    @v1kt0r2505 11 років тому

    Bro big thanks u are best I 4 month find problem with my vz800, a i bought many part, an today found your video a used you trick an my vz800 starting. Big thanks.

  • @jeffjensen7718
    @jeffjensen7718 8 років тому

    Hey thats great! I thought my starter was sub-par and was going to replace it. Your video show the starter "loping" with the relay in place...My Marauder does the same thing. Good cheat. Thx Josh P.

  • @komaset
    @komaset 6 років тому +1

    Joder y yo pensando siempre que era la batería !!! gracias por darme luz!!!

    • @anyhelespinoza5116
      @anyhelespinoza5116 2 роки тому

      Un favor no entiendo inglés que dijo o que está enceñando yo tengo esta moto. Por favor podría decirme

    • @komaset
      @komaset 2 роки тому +1

      @@anyhelespinoza5116 és el típico fallo que no arranca la moto y parece ser fallo de batería, pero es el relé de arranque lo que falla, y este hombre hace un puente evitando el relé y arranca a la primera. Yo lo hice y arranco a la primera.

  • @Geithizzle
    @Geithizzle 8 років тому

    Really appreciate the video!! Solved all of my bikes problems for cheap!

  • @uprocker2012
    @uprocker2012 11 років тому +2

    It makes a world of difference when installing the NGK Iridium lX plugs, K&N air filters and stage 2 carb jet kits. All these things are very easy to do yourself. You should never need your choke upon start up.

    • @chazbarns1410
      @chazbarns1410 Рік тому

      Thats horseshit, because chokes have had small changes through the years.
      A choke on a 1999 or older bikes works completely different to one in the 2010s and beyond.

    • @thebirdonwatches1803
      @thebirdonwatches1803 Рік тому +1

      @Chaz Barns my comment pertains to the '99 Suzuki Marauder. With said upgrades I have never needed to use the choke unless it's extremely cold temperatures. Most bikes 2010 and newer don't have carburetors. They're fuel injection.

  • @metlfan2003
    @metlfan2003 14 років тому

    Thank You! I have the same problem on my 97 Marauder. I always wondered what that problem was. I'll be doing this fix soon on mine.

  • @sp0opyyy
    @sp0opyyy 10 місяців тому

    Im a little tardy to the party, but I may be having this issue, albeit the bike will turn over but not actually start, what causes the MM to suddenly start causing problems?

  • @bottlefedchevy
    @bottlefedchevy  14 років тому +2

    Its is supposed to be some type of surge protector, but it doesn't work correctly, and causes a loss of voltage to the starter. Guys from our maurauder forum have removed these successfully for over two years with no issues.

    • @TraceyAllen
      @TraceyAllen 6 років тому +1

      josh p that I would believe is a bank angle sensor. It is what shuts the spark when it's layed down. Lots of bikes have them. I jumped the one on my sportster several years ago. They are common to fail. Bike will crank over but spark and sometimes fuel pump will not work.

    • @philhne07
      @philhne07 6 років тому +1

      Tracey Allen that would explain why mine wouldn't start most of the time when i got it. the MMM was just dangling in place instead of being hung on it's mount. The bike would shut everything off as soon as I hit the starter (headlights, speedo light etc) until I reset power at the battery. Never could figure out why it would start sometimes but not others, i think maybe it was when I had it upright compared to on the side stand.

  • @jaytank31
    @jaytank31 12 років тому +1

    that is the only thing on youtube that has actually worked for me thanks BOTTLEFEDCHEVY

  • @TheOldie56
    @TheOldie56 4 роки тому

    I have a 1997 marauder VZ 800 I'm workin on. Need to determine which wire in bike plug is the signal wire for fuel pump. I'm lookin to replace exorbitantly expensive OEM pump from with an aftermarket pump from Quantum but seemingly wire colors will be different and pinout is slightly different. OEM uses a 4 wire configuration and aftermarket may use only 3, 1 being power, 1 being ground and 1 being this signal wire?

  • @mrmikeio8821
    @mrmikeio8821 3 роки тому +1

    What is this MMM for? And can you leave it off permanently?

  • @PhelpsCycle
    @PhelpsCycle 12 років тому

    @bottlefedchevy thank you, i had been through every ground and contact to fix this. Rock on!

  • @Pain-bf8mr
    @Pain-bf8mr 2 роки тому

    😁😁 I’m at work rn, can’t wait to get hom

  • @DanielFerreira-kc8ix
    @DanielFerreira-kc8ix 8 років тому

    I did the bypass and it worked perfectly for about a year now it's doing the same exact thing but the module still isn't connected. it mainly does it if the bike is cold. if I leave it out in the sun to warm up it will normally start. do you have any ideas?

  • @TheSarge1911
    @TheSarge1911 6 років тому

    Hey, I'm having starting problems on my 99 marauder. Turn the key. No power, not the battery, don't think it's the ignition switch, main relay? Since you have a 99 marauder. Help a bro? Thank you

  • @butchs3190
    @butchs3190 2 роки тому

    I’m pretty sure you want to get oil to the top of the cylinders ?

  • @shegotlockjaw
    @shegotlockjaw 14 років тому +1

    I have the slow start issue on mine and it drives me crazy..whats the point? anyways what is this Module supposed to do that you taken off, and will it cause any long term damage doing this? Thanks

  • @boyo6704
    @boyo6704 4 роки тому

    You saved me lol going to do this now on my 97

  • @DannyWDrums
    @DannyWDrums 12 років тому +2

    holy shit IT WORKED!! thank you so much for this video. I have another issue. now my VZ800 starts ok but I always need to choke it. If I let go of the choke it dies. but once it gets warmed a little (1 to 3 min with choke) it idles ok. could it be a carbs problem?

  • @BananaPants93
    @BananaPants93 12 років тому

    Hey man, great vid. I just made this adjustment on my 97' marauder and it worked great. (=

  • @joearena9425
    @joearena9425 6 років тому +1

    For the sake of really sounding stupid I need to know how I get the seat off on my 2000 Marauder. Bought the bike used has no manual and I don’t want to start prying

    • @CarlosCastillogearhead
      @CarlosCastillogearhead 5 років тому

      Joe Arena I see this is old but there’s a place where you insert the key and it releases the seat.

  • @stephenrumer6953
    @stephenrumer6953 9 років тому

    wow, thank you for showing me this!

  • @TheRelaxationism
    @TheRelaxationism 13 років тому +1

    I try and I smile.. Thanks bottlefedchevy

  • @johnnunyabizzness6452
    @johnnunyabizzness6452 10 років тому +1

    yeah, marauderblue is a smart guy :)

  • @Antechrist77
    @Antechrist77 13 років тому

    Ah! I'M so glad! I will try this nex spring! Thank you verry much!! ; )

  • @zbyrd2854
    @zbyrd2854 9 років тому +1

    Does anyone have any idea of the long term affect this will have on the bikes electrical system?

    • @shoppersplace
      @shoppersplace 9 років тому +2

      Two years, and easy starts, that was the long term effects I have had. Do it.

  • @TOrealestatebuzz
    @TOrealestatebuzz 11 років тому

    Can't wait to try this tomorrow!

  • @DAMOOK
    @DAMOOK 3 роки тому

    This there an option to just replace it instead of cutting the wires? Anyone know the part to order? I tried finding it under Mitsuba RK-0313 Starter Relay, but can't find the part that looks like this.

    • @SPJBR
      @SPJBR 3 роки тому

      I thought the same thing and searched for the part with no luck.
      So I permanently installed a jumper and left the plug intact. Problem solved!

    • @nkoreia
      @nkoreia 2 роки тому

      I think with time you will have the sabe problem. Here you have, p/n 3189048E00

  • @SPJBR
    @SPJBR 3 роки тому

    "Craptastic mystery module" is right!
    That piece of garbage has cost me hundreds of dollars and left me stranded too many times.
    Thanks for posting this video. After years of hard starting my Marauder fires up the first time, every time.
    Now that that's fixed I need to replace my stator and rectifier because my charging system is dead. That's a separate issue, but getting this fixed is a huge load off my mind. Thanks bro! 👍🏻
    Do you mind telling me where you found this solution? Was it on a forum somewhere?

  • @ScottLunders
    @ScottLunders 12 років тому

    Awesome! Wouldn't hardly start... and if was a cold morning at times would run battery down before it would start. Less then 5 minute fix and starts right up. Thanks.. you can find anything on you tube!

  • @tomfile3131
    @tomfile3131 8 років тому

    What's the MMM ? I have a 2001 Marauder, just bought it last year with 25k on it. Nice bike.

    • @rockywr
      @rockywr 4 роки тому

      A bit late but, Mitsuba Mystery Module.....

  • @Pain-bf8mr
    @Pain-bf8mr 2 роки тому +1

    Mine is not a slow start its a never start

  • @TheGHOSTPlatoon
    @TheGHOSTPlatoon 9 років тому

    My clutch cable just snapped know where I can get a new one?

  • @buttholebzerker
    @buttholebzerker 12 років тому

    Just cut and combine those wires?

  • @squirreljester2
    @squirreljester2 8 років тому

    I just bought one of these, what is that that you're bypassing?

  • @StanWilhite
    @StanWilhite 8 років тому

    Anyone know where the turn signal relay is located on a VS 1400? Thanks in adv. Stan

    • @StanWilhite
      @StanWilhite 8 років тому

      +Stan Wilhite Should have added 2004

  • @rebekahsiler6637
    @rebekahsiler6637 8 років тому

    What happens when the starter keeps trying to fire when the keys not on the starter buttons not on and keeps trying to fire soon as I plug the positive

    • @jp4904
      @jp4904 8 років тому +1

      Your starter solenoid contacts have welded shut. There shouldn't be any voltage to the coil, but the high current copper contact plates can pit, score, etc. so they don't make good contact or sometimes weld shut.

  • @bounce37421
    @bounce37421 10 років тому

    Just did this has anyone noticed any long term effects from not having the mmm?

    • @wath4555
      @wath4555 9 років тому

      Thank you Josh, You and genius,thank

  • @SiemReap2012
    @SiemReap2012 12 років тому

    Hi. Does this apply to Suzuki VZ 1600 also ?

  • @sightingson18wheels
    @sightingson18wheels 12 років тому

    Sweet! Thank you sooooooooooooooo much!!!!

  • @ravikiran114rk
    @ravikiran114rk 11 років тому

    Is it works for my suzuki gs?

  • @jesusmeza5044
    @jesusmeza5044 6 років тому

    Hola alguien sabe que puedo hacer con mi 98 marauder que le pasa gasolina al motor? Así la compre para arreglarla y no se por donde empezar ? 👍

  • @kestutiskliore9489
    @kestutiskliore9489 9 років тому +1

    Aciu uz video Pavyko pasalinti problema kurios negalejo iveikti net du servisai

  • @aikaarontannler9725
    @aikaarontannler9725 Рік тому

    👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻😍

  • @scarybaldguy
    @scarybaldguy 8 років тому +1

    Confirmed on my '99 VZ800.

    • @spenser2004
      @spenser2004 8 років тому

      +scarybaldguy I didn't know about this and after disconnecting the fix someone did the bike wouldn't start now I know to put them back together and have it start. but right next to it I have a green connector and someone cut the wires on that and did the same thing do you know what those are or where yours are going?

    • @TheSarge1911
      @TheSarge1911 6 років тому

      scarybaldguy
      Hey, I'm having starting problems on my 99 marauder. Turn the key. No power, not the battery, don't think it's the ignition switch, main relay? Since you have a 99 marauder. Help a bro? Thank you

  • @travisp2571
    @travisp2571 2 роки тому

    Will this work if I don't have a key at all

  • @josephstinebaugh9867
    @josephstinebaugh9867 9 років тому +2

    What is the MMM? I recently bought an '03 Suzuki Marauder and I am having problems with the left turn signal (I'll write a little more on that in a min.) Eventually both turn signals, the stop light, the neutral indicator and the fan (I believe, but didn't confirm) stopped working. I assumed a fuse was blown. While googling the fuse box I found this video. When I changed the fuse I noted that the MMM is gone but no one calls it by anything other than an MMM. Does anyone have the P/N or the actual name of the MMM? (Fuse has at least temporarily fixed the turn signal problem. I will report back in a few days.)
    Also while I was under the cover I noticed that there was a two pronged connector not hooked to anything and I couldn't find anything to hook it into. The wires are red with a black stripe and green with a blue stripe. Anybody know what that connector is for?
    So on to my turn signal. My left turn signal stopped working one day. My right turn signal still worked but only if I didn't use my left. If I used my left turn signal I would either have to turn off the bike (with the key) or flip the head lights to high and back to low to get the right turn signal to start working again. I thought that the switch assembly was going out so I replaced it. The problem went away for about an hour then started doing it again.
    Edit: My turn signal worked right up to the point where I fired up my motorcycle. Then it stopped working again. MMM stands for Mitsuba (or Mitsubishi) mystery module. Anyone know where the third unused (after the mod) wire goes?
    Edit 2: The MMM is actually called the Starter Control Relay. In the video he crosses the Y/G and the Y/B together. Y/G goes to the Fuel Pump and the Clutch Lever Position Switch (I didn't follow it past the Clutch Switch.) Y/B goes to the Starter Relay. The wire he leaves unused is B/W and is the negative/ground wire. B/W connects into pretty much everything. The R/B and G/Bl empty connector that I found appears to remain blank (according to the wiring diagram I found) though I find it odd that at a minimum it doesn't at have a cap or something to protect the bare metal contacts from shorting out. If you follow the wires back they go into the Ignitor. Still not sure what the Starter Control Relay does...

    • @cosicawena
      @cosicawena 9 років тому

      Joseph Stinebaugh Hey man, I was just looking for the fuse box, I checked where the battery is, also the other side, under the tank... and also is there a main fuse apart from the fuse box? I need help man
      Thanks

    • @josephstinebaugh9867
      @josephstinebaugh9867 9 років тому

      cosicawena
      Hi Cosicawena, If you take the left side panel (left as you are sitting on the bike) and look for a little black box with a cover, this will be your fuse panel. There should be a little diagram on the inside of the cover to show you which fuse is which and the proper amp to use (should have two spare fuses in there.) That I am aware of there is no main fuse on the Marauder.

    • @garagebandido9045
      @garagebandido9045 9 років тому

      Joseph Stinebaugh Thank you very much dude!! I'll check it today!

    • @robertcasey9550
      @robertcasey9550 8 років тому

      On the '97 Marauder, there is a main fuse. It's 30 amp. Same box, though.

  • @user-sr3tj5gn8y
    @user-sr3tj5gn8y 9 років тому

    I did this now my bike won't even start what happened?

    • @josephstinebaugh9867
      @josephstinebaugh9867 9 років тому

      Tallon Nielsen When you say won't start please be specific. Is it turning over but not firing up or is it not turning over at all?
      Check to ensure that the correct two wires are crossed and making a good connection. Also while you have the cover off you might do a quick check of the fuses.

  • @chrisstrong7251
    @chrisstrong7251 11 років тому

    thank u all

  • @poiriermichel6313
    @poiriermichel6313 3 роки тому

    Wow toi just save me 100$ for a New battery.
    Thanks.....

  • @smokiess1
    @smokiess1 11 років тому

    Idem to skúsiť....

  • @jesusmeza5044
    @jesusmeza5044 6 років тому

    buy a suzuki marauder 98 that passes gasoline to the engine which is the problem thanks 👍👍

  • @bottlefedchevy
    @bottlefedchevy  14 років тому

    lol..marauder...