To the people that are running a PC/Laptop that has a GPU and integrated graphics Yes! you can use your integrated graphics for this! but depending on the integrated graphics you may be able to make it work instantly or need to adjust the resolution scale slider and adjust your expectations according to your integrated graphics' performance
Great idea! I have a 4070 and always thought how great it would be to double the base FPS. Now my RTX 2070, which was stored away, will come back to life! But I'll upgrade my power supply first to make sure everything works smoothly!
Literally had this idea the minute i saw a ryzen 7 8845hs with radeon 780m paired with rtx 4050. I can game using rtx and use 780m to generate the fake frames. Nice to know others had this idea and tested it
I've tried setting it up with my 3060 and RX 580, but the RX 580 is not being detected in Device Manager or anywhere else, even though its fans are spinning. Could you explain how you configured it in the settings, such as in the BIOS and drivers?
I'm getting a 'configuration not supported' error when trying to download Adrenalin. Should I use DDU to clean-install my NVIDIA drivers and then attempt to install Adrenalin and NVIDIA?
Hey man, I have a laptop with a Ryzen 9 6900hs which has a rtx 3060 as the main gpu and the radeon 680m as the igpu,the moment i try to use the igpu for frame gen it turns into a complete mess
Did you try again after today's update? there was an issue that bottlenecked iGPU's, as the notes say "Fixing the LSFG 3 bottleneck on Intel iGPUs (HD, UHD, Xe) boosts performance by a massive 100-200%, with smaller but noticeable improvements for other vendor iGPUs like Vega and RDNA, as well as some dGPUs." If you haven't, then you should try again, and make sure to account for things like a possible MUX switch, also please tell me in detail what that "complete mess" is, from there we can work on finding a fix, 680m are pretty good for frame generation and should have no issues
I’m using a 4K 240Hz monitor, and I have a question I’d like to ask if you don’t mind. If the 5090 delivers 120 frames at 4K resolution, would adding a GPU with performance similar to a 4060 make it easy to achieve 240Hz? Google Sheets shows 175-does that mean 175 frames is the maximum performance? I’m also curious if the ARC B580 would perform similarly.
@@sssevrys It means that at 100% resolution scale, using a 4060 at x2 mode will output at best 175 fps, but you can actually lower the resolution scale slider to make the burden on the 4060 lighter and help it out on achieving the 240 fps output
bro do u think using dual gpu lsfg on a 5070ti would be a good idea? i'm considering between using nvidia mfg with single gpu vs dual(5070ti+2060s) without using mfg but using lsfg with 1000w. (btw this topic is very controversial in south korea too)
@@ica-o7i It really depends on what framerate and resolution you want to use it on, there's a chart in the description where you can see the results someone testing his rtx 2060 super got when using it as a gpu dedicated for LSFG
Can I expect good performance at 1440p with a system consisting of an i9-12900K, an RTX 4070, and a GTX 1660 Super? Would it be okay to use a lower-end secondary graphics card?
I have a GTX 1650 mobile graphics card and i511320h in my laptop. Can I follow the procedure you mentioned?because 3.0 mode does not work on my laptop.
Did you try again after today's update? there was an issue that bottlenecked iGPU's, as the notes say "Fixing the LSFG 3 bottleneck on Intel iGPUs (HD, UHD, Xe) boosts performance by a massive 100-200%, with smaller but noticeable improvements for other vendor iGPUs like Vega and RDNA, as well as some dGPUs." If you haven't, then you should try again, and make sure to account for things like a possible MUX switch
@@Gtx1650Mobile You can try, doesn't hurt to try, any changes you do in the Lossless Scaling settings applies in real time so you can just lower the resolution scale slider as much as you need to match your integrated graphics' strength
Well here's a update for u ,update to the latest version it really is 100% faster for igpu ,and as for dual gpu setup I have a i5 10200h + 1650 so a UHD 630 , u will need the resolution scale down to around 50% to make it work ,this igpu at max can process 30fps x2 operations even that with stutters ,
In my testing FG x2 on 1650 droped fps from 55 to 40 , But with UHD 630 there was almost no frame drop(theoretically) but since the it can only Handel around 30 fps it was very stuttry, In case I was seeing 55 fps in msi afterburner and 33 fps by the DRAW_FPS option by lossless scaling
will you think this will work with an RTX 4080 and a GTX 1660 super? for 1440p 165hz? also my power supply is 750 watts maybe possible with undervolting both GPUs?
Yes, Ravenger's combo initially used an RTX 4060 ti and a GTX 1660 Super, and it proved it could work, both undervolted worked really well, and if needed, the GTX 1660 Super could be undervolted to draw even less power, his 1660 Super drew a bit under 50W while running LSFG
Puedes intentar, asegurate de que tu monitor esté conectado a tu tarjeta madre ya que de allí es la salida de video de los gráficos integrados, a lo mejor no son lo suficientemente potentes, pero podrías intentar bajar la barra de escala de resolución
Great video man. I have followed your tutorial. There are some games that work perfectly with a dual-gpu setup. Some games, however, crash immediately upon starting. My specs: RX 7800xt (high performance) + RX 6600xt (LSFG). The games have issued: LoL, Barotrauma, Arma Reforge. The solution I find out that, I have to plug display cable from RX 7800xt to monitor first. Open the game -> plug out RX 7800xt -> plug in RX 6600xt. After that, the game works normally. Would you mind helping me?
I suspect those games are refusing to run on your dedicated GPU and are instead running on whichever GPU's running them, check if you can set the RX 7800 XT to run them in the preferences I showed, if not, some games let you choose which GPU to run them on in-game
Hello, Will this work fine with Ryzen 5 4650G (Radeon Vega 7) and i have a GTX 1650. Does VRAM Size matter for iGPU? and since i have 2 monitors, can i plug my 2nd monitor to the motherboard and run 2x LSFG On? renderer on iGPU Thanks
You will get passthrough issues if you don't display everything from your LSFG GPU (be it motherboard for integrated graphics or dedicated GPU), if you lower the resolution scale you should be able to get a very decent result
@@ivanvladimir0435 Firstly sorry i dont understand and my english kind of bad ill rephrase. It doesnt matter for which cable goes where for lossless scaling? lets say i run game on dGPU obviously and offload lossless scaling to my iGPU i just have to lower my resolution scale for it in lossless scaling yes?
@@talibrahman2k5 You are trying to use decently old integrated graphics for a tough job, try lowering the resolution scale slider to decrease the burden of it
Hi, I recently upgraded from my RX 5600 XT to a RTX 4060 Ti. I have a 600W PSU and a Ryzen 5 3600X (running at 3800 because too old). Will a Ryzen 7 5700X3D enough to handle my RTX 4060 Ti + RX 5600 XT for Lossless Scalling in 1080p ? And same question for my 600W PSU.
@GinoG-d2v Oh I love that GPU, it was the first GPU I tried Dual-GPU's LSFG with, the RX 5600 XT can easily handle 1440p 165 hz, it's very powerful and it applies for LSFG too, if you undervolt both of your GPU's you'll be absolutely fine, LSFG on a non undervolted 5600 XT took like 100W at worst for me but that can easily be dropped with an undervolt As for your CPU, considering the resolution you play at, it'll only be on very CPU intensive games where you'll get some sort of CPU limitation I use a Ryzen 5 5500 and it works very well
@@ivanvladimir0435 I'm hesitating to install the first vBios version on my RX 5600 XT to reduce temperature and power consumption. What do you think about that ? I'm currently on FA1 but my card could go up to 75 degrees on Black Ops 6 while my RTX 4060 Ti (undervolted to 1000 mV) don't go higher than 64 degrees. If I remember correctly, the first version of vBios (FZ2) was rather similar to a 1660 (Super or Ti) with 12 Gbps of memory instead of 14. Will that still be enough for 1440p LSFG with a Ryzen 7 5700X3D? And also if my 5600 XT is powerful enough for that, could I use upscallers like Integer in-game without FPS losses?
@ It depends on framerate, the RX 5600 XT can chew through 165hz 1440p monitors at X2 mode without needing resolution scale slider's help, meaning it can do other stuff like upscaling too, as for the vBios, I recommend you check if you can undervolt your GPU first (and if you are willing to, adjust fan curve too) and then start messing with the bios after
@@ivanvladimir0435 Thanks for your answers ! So actually I plan to get a 180hz 1440p monitor and a Ryzen 5 5600X or 5700X (both have a 65 TDP). If I install the FZ2 Bios on my RX 5600 XT (making it like a GTX 1660 SUPER), will it be possible to hit 180 FPS at 1440p with LSFG X3 at a 60 FPS lock ? And will a 5600X be enough or do you recommend me a 5700X (or even a 5800X) ?
@ I never touched the bios stuff, also if you'll become CPU bottlenecked depends on the games you plan to play, the extra cores help a lot but if the price difference is too large it might not be worth it
iGPU's have a tendency to be better than their desktop GPU performance equivalents, I think with LSFG 3.0 and resolution scale you can achieve pretty nice and high numbers by offloading the LSFG to it
@@ivanvladimir0435 Thanks you for the helpful video. It is quite a headache as I am considering between the R5 8600G and the R5 7600X. The 8600G for its iGPU and the R5 7600X for its CPU score. If the 760M is not able to handle the frame generation and causes real frame drops, it would be a disaster for me xD
@@lmaoclip8131 I'm sure the 8600G can do it, just adjust your expectations if you want it for high refresh rate 4k or 1440p, but even then you can use the resolution scale slider, if I made it work on my 11th gen core i5 integrated graphics, your way beefier ones can work
Enabling lossless with dual GPU also increases GPU usage on the main GPU, right? because i test my igpu and dgpu , dgpu also increase the usage while i activate the lossless scaling
The LSFG GPU must copy over the frames computed by the main GPU, I don't really know how much of an impact that has on the main GPU because in every test I do the GPU usage stays at the same level, could be something specific to integrated graphics
@@ivanvladimir0435It's actually just something related to iGPUs and nVidia optimus, because a higher framerate in general means higher iGPU usage in that case because the GPU has to send the iGPU more frames and it has to send it to the display, which is more intensive than just sending it to the display by the GPU directly like in PCs.
So you need both cards to be connected to the display. Right? Cause the main GPU will always display something so you need that connected and then only when you use Lossless Scaling you would switch to the secondary GPU display input. Right ?
@@CrashBashL No, you just have the display cable on your LSFG GPU plugged on, and that's it really, you can have it all the time if you want or only when running LSFG if you want, the only requirement is that when using LSFG you have the display cable plugged into your LSFG GPU
Hey thank you so much for the video. Would 4080 as main gpu. And 4060TI or 4060 work as a secondary lfg gpu to take off the load. I game in 4k so the secondary gpu should be powerful enough? Also I have 1000W psu. Can MSI x670e carbon wifi handle the dual gpus? Will it fit?
@@keremaysan5841 You should be able to find its manual online, as long as the second slot handles any decent pcie slots, a 4060 would work decently well, as for sizes, only you know your PC case, but it's worth a try in my opinion
@@ivanvladimir0435 Hmm so which AMD gpu would you recommend, it has to be decent though because 4k frame gen takes a lot of power. Is it true that amd would run the loselsss scaling frame gen better
@@keremaysan5841 Yes, An RX 6400 beats a GTX 1660 Super at LSFG, for 4k an RX 6600 XT could be a great pick, but if you are willing to lower the resolution scale slider, you can pick cheaper options like the RX 6600 or RX 5700 XT
@@talibrahman2k5Lower resolution scaling, also make sure that your video cable is plugged into your motherboard so it's directly connected to the integrated graphics
@@ivanvladimir0435 does it needs to be connected to motherboard for display output cuz i hv the cable on my graphics card can you test it and make a video abt it
@@talibrahman2k5 It needs to be connected to the motherboard if the one handling frame generation is the iGPU since that's where the iGPU outputs to, try plugging your display cable to it, it's why in the video I changed display cables
B550 Plus AC HES I picked a b550 to ensure I had a second slot capable enough, my processor causes it to run at 3.0 x4 but it can run at 4.0 x4 on better processors If you happen to be running a motherboard that has a second slot that runs at pcie 2.0 x4 (like a b450), you will see a drop in performance for the second GPU, but depending on your target resolution/framerate you can still make it work
@@ivanvladimir0435 was just about to ask that… I have a z690 MSI pro MB top pcie is a pcie gen 5 x16 that is connected to my 6800xt and the pcie slot below it is a pcie 3 x4 and a rx580 8gb but it runs so fkn slow idk why… I get maybe 60fps with tons of screen tearing… GPU utilization is 100 but I highly doubt that as it’s only pulling 50 watts… what other settings did you change? I’ve tried everything idk what to do..
@@gnrtx-36969 Yes, both work, Freesync implementation is on as long as you activate Freesync itself, and G-Sync only needs a button press in Lossless Scaling to be activated, both are simply VRR which will work well
@@ivanvladimir0435 I just tried lowering it to 50% and now it looks smooth. But at this resolution the overhead is actually higher than the performance saved. Using iGPU I get 54fps whereas with the 3070 I get 55fps.
@@ivanvladimir0435 For some reason dropping the resolution lowers the render fps. Very strange. My guess is at higher resolution my 3070 is waiting on the igpu to deliver the frames. I get higher in game fps but it looks like running at 20fps with bad frame pacing. Either way pretty sure you need a bit more powerful hardware than this igpu, lol.
@@desmond3245 The best way to use scaling is to lock your base fps to some multiple factor of your monitors refresh rate, if you have a 120hz monitor lock your base fps to 60 and use your i-GPU with x2 scaling, so that would end up being 60 x 2 = 120 fps, or lets say your main GPU only averages say 48 fps, then you would lock your base fps to 40 and use x3 scaling with your i-GPU, 40 x 3 = 120 fps. Doing the above ensures the highest number of real frames, with the best frame pacing, latency and image quality, and also limits the number of generated frames the i-GPU has to produce. An easy way to test your i-GPUs performance is to go on youtube and play a video at the same resolution you normally game at and make sure the video is only at 30 fps. Make sure you're not using any other framerate limiters like RTSS, vsync, driver fps caps etc. Then use lossless scaling with the i-GPU to scale up youtubes framerate making sure the "allow tearing" option is selected. First start at x2, then x3, then x4 etc... lossless scaling should show both the base framerate and the upscaled framerate, it should look like this, at x2, 30/60 at x3, 30/90 at x4, 30/90 at x5, 30/150 etc... Keep going until your i-GPU cant keep up, for mine it's x6 instead of being 30/180 my i-GPU shows 28/174 which means my i-GPU can not scale up to a framerate higher than 174 fps, therefore I always lock my base fps below 87 fps because otherwise my i-GPU can't keep up. As long as the framerate I'm scaling up to will be lower than 174 fps my i-GPU will keep up, so if my base framerate was say 20 fps, I could use 8x scaling because 20 x 8 = 160 fps which is less than my i-GPU can produce so it will still work fine. *edit: Also changing the resolution scale will alter the above numbers so you can experiment with what works for you, I've found that 75% resolution scale is the best trade off in terms of performance and quality, going lower hurts the image a lot but doesn't really improve performance all that much.
Remember, Frame Generation adds input lag that's half of the frame*time* you have, so if you enable it and drop to 30-ish, the game will feel sluggish when compared to not losing any base fps at all and starting with 60 fps, to accurately measure end to end latency though, I don't have the equipment needed, but a certain member of the Lossless Scaling discord server has done tests that show an improvement to the latency media.discordapp.net/attachments/1323391346039455756/1329088983010902020/LSFG2v3vDLSS3-Cyberpunk-dark.png?ex=67891212&is=6787c092&hm=7b80a6c8008308141b992a735a02cb55f8d4ddc72efa17952831e15e9c38d2bc&
@@ivanvladimir0435 i think i read the igpu is an rdna2 gpu. Prob pretty weak. I have a 4090. And game on 4k. I heard resolition scale doesnt actually do resolution though?!
To the people that are running a PC/Laptop that has a GPU and integrated graphics
Yes! you can use your integrated graphics for this! but depending on the integrated graphics you may be able to make it work instantly or need to adjust the resolution scale slider and adjust your expectations according to your integrated graphics' performance
Great video. Even though this makes sense and is logical it still blows my mind :D . I might try this out. Thanks for this great spot on video!
Great idea! I have a 4070 and always thought how great it would be to double the base FPS. Now my RTX 2070, which was stored away, will come back to life! But I'll upgrade my power supply first to make sure everything works smoothly!
Once you do I would love to know the results on your endeavor!
Literally had this idea the minute i saw a ryzen 7 8845hs with radeon 780m paired with rtx 4050. I can game using rtx and use 780m to generate the fake frames. Nice to know others had this idea and tested it
The 780m graphics are very qualified for the job
@ivanvladimir0435 even nice(r) to know it's more than qualified to get the job done
I've tried setting it up with my 3060 and RX 580, but the RX 580 is not being detected in Device Manager or anywhere else, even though its fans are spinning. Could you explain how you configured it in the settings, such as in the BIOS and drivers?
You don't need to do any bios configurations, make sure you downloaded their respective drivers
I'm getting a 'configuration not supported' error when trying to download Adrenalin. Should I use DDU to clean-install my NVIDIA drivers and then attempt to install Adrenalin and NVIDIA?
@@RedR3st That's worth a try
found the problem i had to switch my m.2 to the lower m.2 bay because it was deactivating my pciex16_2
@@ivanvladimir0435 Did you install the Adrenaline drivers first and then the NVIDIA drivers?
I have a 3080 Ti and 5950x and a 750 Watt PSU. Do you think it’s a good idea to use 3050 for frame gen? Is the PSU enough?
You may cut it close with that PSU, try undervolting as many parts of your PC as you can
Hola, quizas pregunto una tonteria, pero tengo una vieja 290x en el cajon... como ves emparejarla con mi 6650xt? serviria para lossless?
@@elclubdelosnocturnos Vale la pena intentarlo
@@ivanvladimir0435 Gracias, probaré!
@@elclubdelosnocturnos Me encantaría que compartieras tus resultados obtenidos si funciona bien para ti
Hey man,
I have a laptop with a Ryzen 9 6900hs which has a rtx 3060 as the main gpu and the radeon 680m as the igpu,the moment i try to use the igpu for frame gen it turns into a complete mess
Did you try again after today's update? there was an issue that bottlenecked iGPU's, as the notes say
"Fixing the LSFG 3 bottleneck on Intel iGPUs (HD, UHD, Xe) boosts performance by a massive 100-200%, with smaller but noticeable improvements for other vendor iGPUs like Vega and RDNA, as well as some dGPUs."
If you haven't, then you should try again, and make sure to account for things like a possible MUX switch, also please tell me in detail what that "complete mess" is, from there we can work on finding a fix, 680m are pretty good for frame generation and should have no issues
I’m using a 4K 240Hz monitor, and I have a question I’d like to ask if you don’t mind. If the 5090 delivers 120 frames at 4K resolution, would adding a GPU with performance similar to a 4060 make it easy to achieve 240Hz? Google Sheets shows 175-does that mean 175 frames is the maximum performance? I’m also curious if the ARC B580 would perform similarly.
@@sssevrys It means that at 100% resolution scale, using a 4060 at x2 mode will output at best 175 fps, but you can actually lower the resolution scale slider to make the burden on the 4060 lighter and help it out on achieving the 240 fps output
I paired two 3060ti i am getting half frame rate 24/49 what i am doing wrong??
Did you plug the display cable to your GPU you want to use for LSFG and set it to be the one you want LSFG to be running on?
@ thaks man its working..but little native fps drop from 85 to 65 range..is it usual??
@@vmax2966 You may be triggering a CPU bottleneck, what's your CPU? you can also try lowering the resolution scale slider
bro do u think using dual gpu lsfg on a 5070ti would be a good idea? i'm considering between using nvidia mfg with single gpu vs dual(5070ti+2060s) without using mfg but using lsfg with 1000w. (btw this topic is very controversial in south korea too)
@@ica-o7i It really depends on what framerate and resolution you want to use it on, there's a chart in the description where you can see the results someone testing his rtx 2060 super got when using it as a gpu dedicated for LSFG
i didnt understand that chart, like whats the normal vs second gpu difference lol and yes im in the same boat with the guy above@@ivanvladimir0435
RTX3060 Ti + GTX750 Ti in dual gpu, would it be worth it?🤔
What resolution and refresh rate are you aiming for? Anything beyond 1080p 144hz will need a boost from the resolution scale slider
@@ivanvladimir0435 exactly that, 1080p 144hz
@@ivanvladimir0435 I usually use nvidia dsr too, in single player games
@ It's worth a try in my opinion
@@El5eta
Funcionou?
Can I expect good performance at 1440p with a system consisting of an i9-12900K, an RTX 4070, and a GTX 1660 Super? Would it be okay to use a lower-end secondary graphics card?
@@SA-xt4xr yes, GTX 1660 Super has been tried before and worked well with the resolution scale slider's help
@@ivanvladimir0435 I really appreciate it.
I have a GTX 1650 mobile graphics card and i511320h in my laptop. Can I follow the procedure you mentioned?because 3.0 mode does not work on my laptop.
Did you try again after today's update? there was an issue that bottlenecked iGPU's, as the notes say
"Fixing the LSFG 3 bottleneck on Intel iGPUs (HD, UHD, Xe) boosts performance by a massive 100-200%, with smaller but noticeable improvements for other vendor iGPUs like Vega and RDNA, as well as some dGPUs."
If you haven't, then you should try again, and make sure to account for things like a possible MUX switch
@@ivanvladimir0435 Should I run the game with GTX 1650 with lossless scaling and my processor? Also, what should I set the resolution scale to?
@@Gtx1650Mobile You can try, doesn't hurt to try, any changes you do in the Lossless Scaling settings applies in real time so you can just lower the resolution scale slider as much as you need to match your integrated graphics' strength
Well here's a update for u ,update to the latest version it really is 100% faster for igpu ,and as for dual gpu setup I have a i5 10200h + 1650 so a UHD 630 , u will need the resolution scale down to around 50% to make it work ,this igpu at max can process 30fps x2 operations even that with stutters ,
In my testing FG x2 on 1650 droped fps from 55 to 40 ,
But with UHD 630 there was almost no frame drop(theoretically) but since the it can only Handel around 30 fps it was very stuttry,
In case I was seeing 55 fps in msi afterburner and 33 fps by the DRAW_FPS option by lossless scaling
will you think this will work with an RTX 4080 and a GTX 1660 super? for 1440p 165hz? also my power supply is 750 watts maybe possible with undervolting both GPUs?
Yes, Ravenger's combo initially used an RTX 4060 ti and a GTX 1660 Super, and it proved it could work, both undervolted worked really well, and if needed, the GTX 1660 Super could be undervolted to draw even less power, his 1660 Super drew a bit under 50W while running LSFG
Hola, puedo usar los graficos integrados de mi 7700k? solo basta con seleccionarlo en lsg?
Puedes intentar, asegurate de que tu monitor esté conectado a tu tarjeta madre ya que de allí es la salida de video de los gráficos integrados, a lo mejor no son lo suficientemente potentes, pero podrías intentar bajar la barra de escala de resolución
Great video man. I have followed your tutorial. There are some games that work perfectly with a dual-gpu setup. Some games, however, crash immediately upon starting.
My specs: RX 7800xt (high performance) + RX 6600xt (LSFG).
The games have issued: LoL, Barotrauma, Arma Reforge.
The solution I find out that, I have to plug display cable from RX 7800xt to monitor first. Open the game -> plug out RX 7800xt -> plug in RX 6600xt. After that, the game works normally.
Would you mind helping me?
I suspect those games are refusing to run on your dedicated GPU and are instead running on whichever GPU's running them, check if you can set the RX 7800 XT to run them in the preferences I showed, if not, some games let you choose which GPU to run them on in-game
Thanks for sharing, I'll be trying this with my 3080ti and 4060 🫡
I have a vega 7 + rtx 3050 system. Love putting the iGPU to some use lol.
My laptop has an rtx 3050 mobile chip and an intel core i5 11400h, I love offloading the load to the integrated graphics
@@ivanvladimir0435 i have same laptop specs, but when i try it i get 70fps/30fps on lossless
@@ichunin6510 Try lowering the resolution scale slider
Hello, Will this work fine with Ryzen 5 4650G (Radeon Vega 7) and i have a GTX 1650. Does VRAM Size matter for iGPU? and since i have 2 monitors, can i plug my 2nd monitor to the motherboard and run 2x LSFG On? renderer on iGPU Thanks
You will get passthrough issues if you don't display everything from your LSFG GPU (be it motherboard for integrated graphics or dedicated GPU), if you lower the resolution scale you should be able to get a very decent result
@@ivanvladimir0435 Firstly sorry i dont understand and my english kind of bad ill rephrase. It doesnt matter for which cable goes where for lossless scaling? lets say i run game on dGPU obviously and offload lossless scaling to my iGPU i just have to lower my resolution scale for it in lossless scaling yes?
@@devaalous It matters, you will get awful stutters if it's not on the LSFG GPU
En configuracion de rendimiento hay que elegir la gpu secundaria o la primaria? Serviria una RTX 3079 TI + RX 580?
Sí, una RX 580 funcionaría bien, en rendimiento elige la GPU primaria, pero para ejecutar Lossless Scaling elige la RX 580
i tried with my uhd 630 in i7 8700 in wukong its giving me 10fps from 47fps anything im doing wrong or just my cpu aint enough?
@@talibrahman2k5 You are trying to use decently old integrated graphics for a tough job, try lowering the resolution scale slider to decrease the burden of it
Hi, I recently upgraded from my RX 5600 XT to a RTX 4060 Ti. I have a 600W PSU and a Ryzen 5 3600X (running at 3800 because too old). Will a Ryzen 7 5700X3D enough to handle my RTX 4060 Ti + RX 5600 XT for Lossless Scalling in 1080p ? And same question for my 600W PSU.
@GinoG-d2v Oh I love that GPU, it was the first GPU I tried Dual-GPU's LSFG with, the RX 5600 XT can easily handle 1440p 165 hz, it's very powerful and it applies for LSFG too, if you undervolt both of your GPU's you'll be absolutely fine, LSFG on a non undervolted 5600 XT took like 100W at worst for me but that can easily be dropped with an undervolt
As for your CPU, considering the resolution you play at, it'll only be on very CPU intensive games where you'll get some sort of CPU limitation
I use a Ryzen 5 5500 and it works very well
@@ivanvladimir0435 I'm hesitating to install the first vBios version on my RX 5600 XT to reduce temperature and power consumption. What do you think about that ? I'm currently on FA1 but my card could go up to 75 degrees on Black Ops 6 while my RTX 4060 Ti (undervolted to 1000 mV) don't go higher than 64 degrees.
If I remember correctly, the first version of vBios (FZ2) was rather similar to a 1660 (Super or Ti) with 12 Gbps of memory instead of 14. Will that still be enough for 1440p LSFG with a Ryzen 7 5700X3D?
And also if my 5600 XT is powerful enough for that, could I use upscallers like Integer in-game without FPS losses?
@ It depends on framerate, the RX 5600 XT can chew through 165hz 1440p monitors at X2 mode without needing resolution scale slider's help, meaning it can do other stuff like upscaling too, as for the vBios, I recommend you check if you can undervolt your GPU first (and if you are willing to, adjust fan curve too) and then start messing with the bios after
@@ivanvladimir0435 Thanks for your answers ! So actually I plan to get a 180hz 1440p monitor and a Ryzen 5 5600X or 5700X (both have a 65 TDP). If I install the FZ2 Bios on my RX 5600 XT (making it like a GTX 1660 SUPER), will it be possible to hit 180 FPS at 1440p with LSFG X3 at a 60 FPS lock ? And will a 5600X be enough or do you recommend me a 5700X (or even a 5800X) ?
@ I never touched the bios stuff, also if you'll become CPU bottlenecked depends on the games you plan to play, the extra cores help a lot but if the price difference is too large it might not be worth it
Es obligatorio que la gpu secundaria que ejecuta lossless scaling, sea la que genere video?.
Sí, de lo contrario perderás mucho rendimiento potencial
how does mouse movement feeling?
With a base 30 fps: not so great
With a base 50-60 fps: pretty good, would play through the whole game like that
Do you think that an integrated GPU, such as the 760M of the R5 8600G, can effectively manage frame generation?? Or is a GPU necessary?
iGPU's have a tendency to be better than their desktop GPU performance equivalents, I think with LSFG 3.0 and resolution scale you can achieve pretty nice and high numbers by offloading the LSFG to it
@@ivanvladimir0435 Thanks you for the helpful video. It is quite a headache as I am considering between the R5 8600G and the R5 7600X. The 8600G for its iGPU and the R5 7600X for its CPU score. If the 760M is not able to handle the frame generation and causes real frame drops, it would be a disaster for me xD
@@lmaoclip8131 I'm sure the 8600G can do it, just adjust your expectations if you want it for high refresh rate 4k or 1440p, but even then you can use the resolution scale slider, if I made it work on my 11th gen core i5 integrated graphics, your way beefier ones can work
Un buen like por el video, crees que sirva una rx 6800 + gt 1030?
Vale la pena probar, probablemente necesites usar la barra de escala de resolución, si lo intentas me dices como te va, algo debería de poderse lograr
Do you lose out on VRR for setting the GPU in LS to your iGPU? I use a gaming laptop with a 5800h and 3070, but use an external monitor with gsync.
@@devilzavacado8430 No I don't miss out on VRR
what if integrated gpu like intel hd graphic or someting handle the frame generation procceses?? will it work well?
You can try, the resolution scale slider can allow weaker GPUs and integrated graphics to do the work too
Enabling lossless with dual GPU also increases GPU usage on the main GPU, right? because i test my igpu and dgpu , dgpu also increase the usage while i activate the lossless scaling
The LSFG GPU must copy over the frames computed by the main GPU, I don't really know how much of an impact that has on the main GPU because in every test I do the GPU usage stays at the same level, could be something specific to integrated graphics
@@ivanvladimir0435It's actually just something related to iGPUs and nVidia optimus, because a higher framerate in general means higher iGPU usage in that case because the GPU has to send the iGPU more frames and it has to send it to the display,
which is more intensive than just sending it to the display by the GPU directly like in PCs.
So which GPU you use for the output to TV?!
The main or the secondary weaker one that runs LS on it ?!
@@CrashBashL The one running LS on it
So you need both cards to be connected to the display. Right?
Cause the main GPU will always display something so you need that connected and then only when you use Lossless Scaling you would switch to the secondary GPU display input. Right ?
@@CrashBashL No, you just have the display cable on your LSFG GPU plugged on, and that's it really, you can have it all the time if you want or only when running LSFG if you want, the only requirement is that when using LSFG you have the display cable plugged into your LSFG GPU
Hey thank you so much for the video. Would 4080 as main gpu.
And 4060TI or 4060 work as a secondary lfg gpu to take off the load. I game in 4k so the secondary gpu should be powerful enough?
Also I have 1000W psu.
Can MSI x670e carbon wifi handle the dual gpus? Will it fit?
@@keremaysan5841 You should be able to find its manual online, as long as the second slot handles any decent pcie slots, a 4060 would work decently well, as for sizes, only you know your PC case, but it's worth a try in my opinion
@@ivanvladimir0435 I’ll try. Will dual gpu work if i try amd gpu as secondary and Nvidia gpu as main?
@@keremaysan5841 Yes, that's what I'm running
@@ivanvladimir0435 Hmm so which AMD gpu would you recommend, it has to be decent though because 4k frame gen takes a lot of power.
Is it true that amd would run the loselsss scaling frame gen better
@@keremaysan5841 Yes, An RX 6400 beats a GTX 1660 Super at LSFG, for 4k an RX 6600 XT could be a great pick, but if you are willing to lower the resolution scale slider, you can pick cheaper options like the RX 6600 or RX 5700 XT
it also work on my uhd 770 and rtx 3080 it getting double fps in 2x mode with no fps drop
i tried with my uhd 630 in i7 8700 in wukong its giving me 10fps from 47fps anything im doing wrong or just my cpu aint enough
I'm glad to hear it's working for you, integrated graphics can be a blessing to have if used right
@@talibrahman2k5Lower resolution scaling, also make sure that your video cable is plugged into your motherboard so it's directly connected to the integrated graphics
@@ivanvladimir0435 does it needs to be connected to motherboard for display output cuz i hv the cable on my graphics card can you test it and make a video abt it
@@talibrahman2k5 It needs to be connected to the motherboard if the one handling frame generation is the iGPU since that's where the iGPU outputs to, try plugging your display cable to it, it's why in the video I changed display cables
May i know your gpu, 2nd GPU and exact motherboard model ?
PC Used:
-B550 Plus AC HES
-Ryzen 5 5500
-24GB DDR4 3200Mhz
-RTX 3060 12GB
-RX 6600M
(It's in the description too)
What motherboard r u using?
B550 Plus AC HES
I picked a b550 to ensure I had a second slot capable enough, my processor causes it to run at 3.0 x4 but it can run at 4.0 x4 on better processors
If you happen to be running a motherboard that has a second slot that runs at pcie 2.0 x4 (like a b450), you will see a drop in performance for the second GPU, but depending on your target resolution/framerate you can still make it work
@@ivanvladimir0435 was just about to ask that… I have a z690 MSI pro MB top pcie is a pcie gen 5 x16 that is connected to my 6800xt and the pcie slot below it is a pcie 3 x4 and a rx580 8gb but it runs so fkn slow idk why… I get maybe 60fps with tons of screen tearing… GPU utilization is 100 but I highly doubt that as it’s only pulling 50 watts… what other settings did you change? I’ve tried everything idk what to do..
@@juanlopez502 Did you make sure to connect the display cable to the rx 580?
Mi pana con las dos gpu no genera ningún input lag?
Habrá input lag de estar haciendo FG, pero será mucho menor a que si lo hicieras con una que pierde fps al activarlo
does gsync or freesync work if you have 2nd GPU? and what about x3 and x4 framegen?
@@gnrtx-36969 Yes, both work, Freesync implementation is on as long as you activate Freesync itself, and G-Sync only needs a button press in Lossless Scaling to be activated, both are simply VRR which will work well
Жаль что ноутбучная встрока встройка 11-го поколения не справляется с апскейлингом
I have a laptop with a core i5 11400h and the integrated graphics *can* work but at the price of lowering the resolution scale slider a lot
@@ivanvladimir0435 Didn't work in older versions. I downloaded version 3.0 and now it works fine via embedded video
I had this idea but it didn't work with my weak Ryzen igpu. Great video!
Did you try lowering the resolution scale slider?
@@ivanvladimir0435 I just tried lowering it to 50% and now it looks smooth. But at this resolution the overhead is actually higher than the performance saved. Using iGPU I get 54fps whereas with the 3070 I get 55fps.
@@desmond3245 I think you can lower it further if you need to
@@ivanvladimir0435 For some reason dropping the resolution lowers the render fps. Very strange. My guess is at higher resolution my 3070 is waiting on the igpu to deliver the frames. I get higher in game fps but it looks like running at 20fps with bad frame pacing.
Either way pretty sure you need a bit more powerful hardware than this igpu, lol.
@@desmond3245 The best way to use scaling is to lock your base fps to some multiple factor of your monitors refresh rate, if you have a 120hz monitor lock your base fps to 60 and use your i-GPU with x2 scaling, so that would end up being 60 x 2 = 120 fps, or lets say your main GPU only averages say 48 fps, then you would lock your base fps to 40 and use x3 scaling with your i-GPU, 40 x 3 = 120 fps.
Doing the above ensures the highest number of real frames, with the best frame pacing, latency and image quality, and also limits the number of generated frames the i-GPU has to produce.
An easy way to test your i-GPUs performance is to go on youtube and play a video at the same resolution you normally game at and make sure the video is only at 30 fps.
Make sure you're not using any other framerate limiters like RTSS, vsync, driver fps caps etc.
Then use lossless scaling with the i-GPU to scale up youtubes framerate making sure the "allow tearing" option is selected.
First start at x2, then x3, then x4 etc... lossless scaling should show both the base framerate and the upscaled framerate, it should look like this,
at x2, 30/60
at x3, 30/90
at x4, 30/90
at x5, 30/150 etc...
Keep going until your i-GPU cant keep up, for mine it's x6 instead of being 30/180 my i-GPU shows 28/174
which means my i-GPU can not scale up to a framerate higher than 174 fps, therefore I always lock my base fps below 87 fps because otherwise my i-GPU can't keep up.
As long as the framerate I'm scaling up to will be lower than 174 fps my i-GPU will keep up, so if my base framerate was say 20 fps, I could use 8x scaling because 20 x 8 = 160 fps which is less than my i-GPU can produce so it will still work fine.
*edit: Also changing the resolution scale will alter the above numbers so you can experiment with what works for you, I've found that 75% resolution scale is the best trade off in terms of performance and quality, going lower hurts the image a lot but doesn't really improve performance all that much.
RTX 3080TI + Gtx 1050 ?
If it's for 1080p yes you can do it, if not you can still do it, just adjust the resolution scale slider
is it lsfg3?
(i didnt watch full video)
It's LSFG 2.3, probably the last about it, if I make more videos from now on they'll be about LSFG 3.0
Am i right this reduces the i putlag? If so how do you precisely measure the difference?
Remember, Frame Generation adds input lag that's half of the frame*time* you have, so if you enable it and drop to 30-ish, the game will feel sluggish when compared to not losing any base fps at all and starting with 60 fps, to accurately measure end to end latency though, I don't have the equipment needed, but a certain member of the Lossless Scaling discord server has done tests that show an improvement to the latency
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Would this work with my igpu of my 9800x3d?
It could work if you lower the resolution scale slider
@@ivanvladimir0435 i think i read the igpu is an rdna2 gpu. Prob pretty weak. I have a 4090. And game on 4k. I heard resolition scale doesnt actually do resolution though?!