We are lucky in South Africa 🇿🇦 to have both. Mahindra is slowly winning our hearts over for example, farmers here are shifting to the Mahindra Scorpio Pik up instead of the Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux because it is cheaper and still does the job very well and will last for as long it is required (5 to 10 years of hard work).
I've owned my 2017 Mahindra Thar now for 2 years. What an amazing vehicle. Gone where a lot of bigger modded vehicles goes. Awesome value for money too. Cheers from south africa
@@90210sky not necessarily. Mahindra did assembly in the USA with US employees, Jeep could make something competitive in the same space if they chose to.
90210sky you LOSE jobs in America (by that I think you mean the U.S.A. as "America" is the continent!) because you don't pay attention to LOOSE screws (and I don't mean THAT kind of " screws"!) where it counts!
I've been to india and i've seen these things work... And i mean properly work. They are so bullet proof. We did a ton of tours up mountain passes and even some rock climbs and they all use these and bolero's ( pick up version pretty much). Where i stay (south africa) farmers and people in more rural areas love these because oc how tough they are.
No kidding? A 100k USD? even the Indians who import it pay less than that. Man that's expensive AF. But hey, you got Dodge in your country, so you guys can buy a Demon, whereas we can't because here people want to know only the mileage that the car gives
@@RajKarma they sell thar in South Africa. Mahindra is not selling thsr in UK because FCA will sue them even if they own the rights. And fiat is very big in usa so mahindra will lose.
We had Mahindra USA tractors on the ranch and they were great, I wish they could find a way to import these, a better version of the old Suzuki Samurai
This is Great Jeep. its small sturdy and super Great you just take a test drive and you will forget old second Gen samurai. compact and integrated. It beats present Gimny
It would be cool if Mahindra would bring thier vehicles to the US market, I feel that would be a nice change of pace for the US consumer since we are kinda limted on whats out thier
Their Roxor sells well but , they have this battle going on with Jeep, plus they did try to bring Scorpio to the united states but ran into dealership problems.
actually no! It will never be, well maybe but not at launch coz Jeep and Ford sells on Brand value even tho Mahindra has proven to be very reliable and cost-effective and very very good with service they will still be seen as cheap, it's not too blame anyone but it's just how we see things, but those who can see past the Brand aspect of cars they know which one is the real deal haha
@@timcapuchino3563 well Thar is what we should consider the 3rd generation of a vehicle but CJ3A was the first model of this that was launched in 1949 and then MM540 and then in 2010 Thar as we know it today was launched and tbh they still look the same, that's what the company is going for, the original look of Willys
I would have prefered it if this guy had stuck to telling me what the Thar is rather than comparing it to a Jeep. Jeep's might be legends in the US but the rest of us know that they are unreliable and costly to run.
I am an East Indian who had a 2006 Wranger TJ, 1998 Cherokee XJ. the straight six engine and the Toyota transmission on both are bombproof. These both were very reliable vehicles. Gas mileage is low but maintenance is really cheap, were self maintained a 100%. These vehicles were simple designs and just plain reliable. Watching this video specifically for the comparison :-). Good day.
FCA has some nerve suing Mahindra. Chrysler never manufactured the CJ, AMC did, who got it from Kaiser, who got it from Willys, who stole it from Bantam. Mahindra was given the right to build a Jeep way back when by the US Army, who commissioned the Jeep in the first place.
I would get it just to annoy the Jeep crowd. I was up the trails high in the Wasatch mountains in an Armada. Some kid and his dad driving a Wrangler Sport were wondering how we got up there in an Armada. “I’m surprised that could do it!” Love it coz they seem to think the Jeep badge has some kind of off-road magic.
@@andmicbro1 The Bronco would not! Jeep has been here forever. Why did Bronco disappear for 25 years and comes back and you praise it. Did you know Bronco would not be produced in 25 years? How do you know Bronco would not disappear again?
Infact Mahindra and Ford have just entered into joint ventures for the production of 3 SUVs and the future bronco sport may likely turn out to be rebadged Mahindra Thar. That's what i am hearing from insiders
Yes I like jeep also, but considering the price I could get a thar and modify it extreme,,and still my money will be left,,,,, (if comparing to keep price)
Ok...but could you imagine how many they would sell here if available. Say add a 3K import fee...16 to 18K ish, sign me up. All that fun beating it up off road and none of the guilt😁 hang it up wet, repeat
I have the Previous Model Thar use it predominantly for off roading. It's an awesome off roader with 105 BHP 250 NM torque and has Mechanical Locking Differrential at the rear wheel. I changed the Reat steel leaf springs to Single Carbon fibre composite leaf spring manufactures cin India. This my mail I'd 4x4cj3b1964@gmail.com. I had an imported 1964 CJ 3B
Ive seen Mahindra being held together by string going up and down the shitty roads in the Himalayan mountains, if this has any of that dna, it should last you a lifetime.
@Klaus Van Heusen no they have made according to the present Indian standards ..so the new safe enveloping frame , air bags , ABS , zero carbon emissions
The day it hits California I am buying one ! These are rock solid and proven on terrains. Just checked some Thar reviews on UA-cam, they are awesome. Wranglers are bigger but I don’t need to carry 6 people for dirt and heavy off-road. Fallen in love with them.
In order to have Mahindra jeeps in the US it will need a public outcry and protest, otherwise it's never going to happen, FCA will never allow Mahindra in the US because they know Mahindra will make better and cheaper Jeeps than the Fiat trash that they sell. And other US companies and brands don't want more competition either, and since they're companies with money, they will make the law align with their dirty interests
@@bikeman1x11 I agree they are overpriced, but if you think jeeps are mediocre quality, you wouldn’t be pleased with a mahindra 😬 also I’ve heard no one mention a good reason but price
@@ishdeepsingh2960 Bawe Indian Brands Make Indian Fool. They Sell Poor Quality Of Cars, Jeeps in india. Our authority jusr eat money & dont care about people life that's why they launch vehicle with poor safety ratings. But bahar Esa Nahi Hai. USA Europe mei standard dekhte hai. Thats why OLA Cars ka licence cancel kr dia. UK ne.
@@gauravjaswal5739 yes, that’s what I’m saying. Indian cars may be well priced, but they are not the greatest quality. Indian government safety regulations are not ones you want to be spread to other countries.
As an Indian that's weird to look at american cars. Here, there is extra taxes on even slightly bigger vehicle , so the race & pride of hoarding bigger than your vehicle doesn't start.
Even I thought that it is named after Thar desert, but in reality it's not so. There is a goat variety called Tahr sometimes the spelling is Thar, Mahindra Thar is named after that Thar Goat because these Goats are Tahr are remarkably fast and agile in steep and rugged terrain. Their hooves are specially designed for surefootedness, with a combination of hard and soft surfaces to give excellent grip.
The mahindras run on Himalayan roads since last 4 decades. And by "roads" I mean literal gravel, mud and slush above 4500 meter altitudes. If these were unrealible no Indian would buy it. Once you buy a mahindra, you've got a companion for life.
The thing is that Americans have Toyota. Those things have gone everywhere across the world from the hot desserts in the Middle East and South Africa to the bushes in Australia. Toyota's are also better in terms of quality, technology and overall fit and finish.
it is not that good in terms of reliability. we had an XUV 500 and there was always a problem with it considering we did not do that much offroading with it.
@@siddharthsangwan7671 simpeler cars will always remain more reliable . xuv500 is quite complicated and mahindra tried quite a lot of new tech in xuv500 and i have never liked thier xuv line up .. mahindra is always sexy in bolero , scorpio & thar style .
"The Jeep Wrangler is expensive in India!" Uh, duh!!! It's expensive over here too! No way in hell bare-bones wrangler is worth nearly 30 grand new. Give me a break.
Indian government to encourage manufacturing in India, if you import a car is fully build it will be 125% tax alone. However if you import the car parts and assemble it then you'll be charged the regular taxes on the component based on the material they are made of, rubber plastic, metals etc.
@@ankushbudhiraja9475 In the US and Europe, government regulations require the diesel engines to have emission systems that include the diesel particulate filter. That becomes the Achilles heel for any diesel vehicle that has to meet the strict emission standards. It is not the engines that fail, it is the emission systems that shortens the life of the diesel vehicle or increases the maintenance cost. And also the diesel fuel with very low sulfur decreases its lubricity, so that increases the odds for fuel injection system failures.
I seriously doubt that, ifs will never give you the articulation that sfa gives you , that and the light weight is what makes the Jimny an absolute weapon offroad
@@Frog13799 Not to mention the jimny will be more reliable in the long run. Mahindras rust like hell. Ull probably never be able to use it in USA with the road salt. And I wouldn't trust the engine. Japanese ones r way better.
@scissor hanz Union factory workers make around 75.00 per hour with all the goodies added. Huge difference, and that is why America manufacturing has failed. Greed.
@scissor hanz stop spreading fake information, a company as huge as mahindra never ever does forced child labour, the competitors here would have crushed them till now
FCA has every right to complain. If they want to copy the Wrangler that closely then they should have to pay FCA to use their design. Just like they paid for the license to produce the original vehicle.
It never was a Jeep wannabe. It was the Original Jeep (basically a Willy's Jeep). Mahindra bought the license from Jeep after the second work war. So it was more Jeep than a Wrangler ever was
@@nsshade Mahindra never copied the Wrangler. They bought a license from Jeep and renewed it after FCA bought it. FCA can't complain as the Thar was more Jeep than the Wrangler
@@LordTechPro I stated they purchased the license for the original vehicle. But they are now copying the looks of the Wrangler. They either need to pay to use the new design or change it to be unique. You can't just copy other peoples designes and sell them as your own.
Namaste 13000 usd Thar got 4 star rating in GNCAP 55000 usd Wrangler got 1 star in euro nNCAP (There is difference in ncap and euro ncap but still worth considering)
I have booked today my New THAR and just found this video. Yes, the Thar is the pride of India and is not a copy of any other brand but has resemblances with others. THAR has the licence from the original WILLYS Jeep. In India, the Jeep Wrangler is selling at USD 120K while we get our Thar at 18K. Then who would say a no to this beautiful affordable machine?
@Klaus Van Heusen Hey man! I don't know too much about the details but we only always had the Mahindra Jeep in India. The police used it, in the olden days even the army used it, and common people also used it in the mountains, desert and the rural areas. I didn't even know that Jeep was an American company. They generally do not copy. They have a long list of original cars. I don't know why they are so adamantly copying jeep. I think they need to stop.
Here in South Africa, the base model Thar is currently retailing for about USD17000, before deal-assist. After deal-assist, which is basically just a discount, the entry level model is USD13500 approx. It's the cheapest 4x4 currently on the local market, If I'm not mistaken. A really good deal, I think. And here it still has the "Jeep Wrangler" grill. :-)
also in India where it manufacture.Mahindra Thar is cheapest 4X4 SUV in India.And in india Jeep wrangler is 4 times the price of Thar. For Example- Thar cost around 15 Lakh Rupee and Jeep Wrangler cost 60 Lakh. Also Wrangler only available in petrol option where as Thar comes with Petrol and Diesel option and most of the people in india prefer Diesel engine for SUV in India as Diesel is cheaper.
@@imviiku correct. It was an end of model batch. I believe there aren’t anymore in sale until the new version gets introduced. Not sure when but I suspect 2023
Did FCA launch a lawsuit in South Africa as well ? ASAIK, FCA's lawsuit only pertained to Australia so Mahindra could with the old grille in other countries if i am not wrong
Jeep in Australia are massively overpriced, notoriously unreliable and have terrible customer service. We are getting the Mahindra Thar this year or early next year and I am looking forward to trying one out. The Thar also has a much better NCAP than Jeep & Mahindra did at one stage own the rights to build jeep based platforms outside the USA, so I don't think they will have any issues from jeep elsewhere in the world.
@Dean Toma from the eyes of people who drive vehicles that actually are reliable, jeeps are not very reliable, maybe the most reliable vehicle Chrysler makes but let's face it. Chrysler....... is THE MOST unreliable north American manufacture, PERIOD. sorry brother
The thar is the spiritual sucessor for the willys because mahindra had the license to build the willys in india and they kept on bringing new gens and now this is you can call a wrangler but in an alternate universe
After the Second World War, Mahindra through an agreement with Willys started producing utility vehicles based on the original Willys Jeep for the Indian market. Mahindra has signed more agreements over time with the owners of the Willys brand to continue manufacturing UVs based on the iconic design including the Mahindra Thar, which is the darling of the off-roading community in India. I urge everyone to know the history before judging the product and calling it copycat or wannabe. Thanks for reviewing Thar. You will love this product in real as well.
6:30 Man if they sold one of these at $13,000 here in the states, these things will sell pretty well I'd imagine. The current wranglers are overpriced rip off from Chrysler.
I have driven petrol at version... its butter smooth ... quick and agile. Thanks to Mahindra to develop totally inhouse product. Fca should get over of styling because looks does not play much in sales.. its the capability of the vehicle... and boy this is better than any jeep in real world.. i witnessed.
Any diesel you get in the states will have extensive complicated fuel and emissions devices that render any advantage of a diesel void. Unfortunate but true.
@@geepuller1 I have a VW with California emissions including exhaust additive(def) automatic transmission 49mpg.. I'd rather not have def.. but still great fuel economy. Great power/torque.. heavy engine keeps front wheels planted around corners. Just wish had manual transmission
Wow. NEVER heard of this one. Looks like the front of a Jeep, and then smaller like a Jimny. Your knew wish list Nathan? Thanks for introducing this. Cool stuff!
I think this car makes dreams true of a middle class fellow. You can drive it to office and makes weekend special. You don't need to buy two cars to do this defferent things. Love this car and I will definitely bring this at home.
My Uncle had a Mahindra Jeep and i can still remember that machine was badly misused by many people but that was solid reliable. Maybe Mahindra can teach Jeep to make a real reliable vehicle.
@justin abraham a new $120k Range Rover is not "disposable". I wouldn't take it offroading. A new 4-door Jeep Rubicon is so expensive I wouldn't even want to risk that on a challenging course. But at < $20K, I wouldn't be afraid to take a Roxor on an off road course, because I wouldn't be bothered by the inevitable paint and/or body damage that comes with doing that. That's what I mean by "semi-disposable". And in this case "ugly" is a compliment. It's square and zero fucks were given towards appealing to suburban soccer-moms, because it's not for that.
It never was a Jeep wannabe. It was the Original Jeep (basically a Willy's Jeep). Mahindra bought the license from Jeep after the second work war. So it was more Jeep than a Wrangler ever was
@@LordTechPro Calm down. I was just referring to the grille. No one can deny the original design of the Roxor grille drew inspiration from the Willys/Wrangler look. The newer FJ type design just looks better to me.
@@Grenyas I was calm, just stating the facts. In fact Land Rover lost a lawsuit against Ineos (where they said it ripped off the old Defender design). Old off-roaders weren't "designed", they were engineered for functionality. Also it doesn't make sense to prevent a company which bought a license to be prevented from selling a vehicle that currently isn't being produced by Jeep. Even I acknowledge that the similarity between the new Thar and the Jeep Wrangler can be an issue, but the Roxor issue was blown out of proportion.
As an Indian I agree it look similar to Wrangler but if you see in person you will notice difference and it costs around 13,000 USD and the cheapest Wrangler has around 95,000 USD window sticker price in India. BTW, glad you guys covered it🤩🤩🤩
Mahindra owns "Pininfarina", so in future they will give better..... also in india mahindra has Fords 51% share and in US Ford has max shares and both of these players will help each other in respective markets....
Indian Thar have only 2.0L mStallion petrol engine (150hp and 350Nm) and 2.2L mHawk diesel engine (130hp and 320Nm). Talks like a new mHawk (100hp and 300Nm) which is in a lighter vehicle with 2WD is coming soon for lifestyle purpose ❤️
This looks pretty well designed, good proportions and seems to takle off roada very well! Exciting times ahead for Indian Auto designers and consumers!
My father has a custom 2019 Mahindra with a Diesel engine. He loves that thing. A lot of people in his home town of St. George, UT, always stop to ask him about his Mahindra. He says it does really well off road. It has a small fuel tank size, but he has calculated the MPG close the 40. Also, his Mahindra is limited to 45 MPH or so. He doesn’t have to drive far to find off road trails, which makes this off-roader a good inexpensive choice for him.
I'd like to see a little competition for Jeep especially since it's a lot cheaper. Jeeps are getting to fancy along with a lot of other off road vehicles.
Nathan , what is wrong with it looking like a Jeep. They own the rights and it is more a Jeep than the over-priced garbage from fiat/Chrysler/stalantis.
I live in India and I'm going to get me one with a gas engine. I was on the fence with the earlier version as it was really dedicated to off roading I need something that'll do both, now it finally can, I'd get the two door now and the four door if it comes.
I’d sure as hell but that I’m young and I can’t afford the Jeep wranglers but for $13k and to get a pretty good cheap off-roader/road legal vehicle I’d get it when they make it left hand drive 👍🏼
@@thejeepdude7875 Exactly, find a used Wrangler -- even though they hold their value well, they're still less expensive than a Roxor AND are street legal. Bought a 97 Wrangler TJ last year for $7000, and there are deals on Facebook Marketplace and other online markets all the time. The caveat is that you have to know the problem areas to look for so that you don't get a bad deal...
A high end 2020 thar with full options will come around 15-17 lakh Indian Rupees! That’s 20k US dollars! With imports maybe another 5k dollars?! I’m not sure how much is the import cost! So I’m guessing 20-25k usd for a high end full option thar. How much is a 2020 full option Jeep Wrangler in USA? Here in India it cost 80 lakhs. That’s more than 100k usd.
@@thejeepdude7875 is right, depending on where you're looking, you can find some pretty good deals on a TJ or YJ. I live in California but I'm originally from Kansas, so I'm always browsing different sites like Craigslist and FB market place in either area, pretty much just window shopping. I've seen fully built YJs on one tons and 40s with chevy small blocks in them only going for 10k and stock YJs going for as little as 2k.
That's minus consumer taxes and registration fees. Realistically, you'd be spending well over a hundred grand for the base variant. Options cost extra!
Jeep is more like a lifestyle brand here in India. You can't really enjoy/exploit the off-road abilities since repair bills can easily skyrocket in case of trail damage. Mahindra Thar is a favorite for the simple reason you can actually drive the vehicle without constantly having to worry about burning a hole in your wallet. The old Thar costs around $20k, a more practical alternative to the pricey Wrangler.
Seen some new sketches of a supposedly new Roxor. It has a different front end and hood on it. It has more of its own look to it and not a Jeep CJ or Toyota FJ look. I actually like the looks of it. Hope it makes it back onto the market. They apparently satisfied the judges with its new styling and they have apparently signed off on it.
This is a good and sensible review and it also puts pricing in perspective. Good work TFL. (One Correction - the older Jeep CJ Derivative made my Mahindra was called the MM540, then became the MM540DP (both with a 2112 cc Peugeot Diesel Engine and then the MM550/ 550DP (with a 2598 cc Peugeot Diesel Engine). Now if I buy a Jeep Wrangler JK here in India. There is only the LIMITED version. It costs 120000 USD on the road. At the present rates of currency conversion. The Mahindra Thar (present version) costs 1/10th of this amount which means I can get it on road at about 15000 USD in India. And this new Mahindra Thar which is significantly upgraded in its 2020 version, may cost around 24000 USD or so and it will be worth it. The Mahindra Thar, has its DNA from the original Wartime WW2 Willys Jeeps. Mahindra Built these under license in India from 1947 onwards. This is India’s own Wrangler equivalent and the fact that Mahindra sells millions of their vehicles here in India, most of Africa and South America, in Easter and Western Europe and in America itself, is testimony to the fact. Also, Mahindra runs a very strong FORMULA E team. They own Pininfarina Design too in Italy. They are a very strong brand and a real solid company. And YES, the Roxor is doing very well indeed in America from what I read on the internet.
You guys should do a video on the Brazilian manufacturer Troller. It's a diesel powered short wheelbase off roader. I have one and it's a blast! Love this channel, take care, keep'em coming.
Troller is currently owned by Ford. I’m an off-reader. I drive a Land Rover and a frequently rescuer of those Trollers. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 As we say in Portuguese, I lose a friend but not the joke. Greetings from Brazil. Great channel. Abraços Adriano.
Adriano Casemiro kkkkk Se for dos mais antigos tá bem. Mas se for dos 3.0 eletrônicos, posso dar uma força. Dos novos modelos nem falo pq a grande maioria nem se aventura. Tudo certo. Abração.
Troller is from Ford.. originally a Ford branco marketed specifically for Brazil and other s.American market under lil tweak here and there with different name.
Rahul Menon No. Originally an independent company based in the north state of Ceará here in Brazil. The inicial car had a “similar” look to the Jeep with a composite body and a gasoline VW water cold engine in 1997. The engine was than changed for an MWM diesel. Than in 2007 was bought by Ford. In 2015 they presented a completely new model that is still produced.
Well, in my country the Wrangler goes from US $76 000, a Jimny from $24500 and a UAZ Patriot from $32000. For me, I prefer Suzuki because, through the years, it has the best reliability record.
I would like to thank all foreigners as an indian for understanding our creation so well. Indian companies no doubt produce high end superb designed and strong cars at a very very low budget. As for example we can take tata hexon, which can just pull an aeroplane of more than 10tonnes and is availaible at a very low price of about 20lakh inr rupees. Which is more than a value for money. If agree smash the like button.
Frankly, if they were licensing the design from Willys originally, and that's where their design heritage came from, they have a much right to the design look as Jeep IMO. Jeep actually inspired a lot of similar vehicles, it created the market for the original Bronco. The army asked the Japanese to make a Jeep for them in the Korean War, and that's where the FJ came from. And I wasn't even aware of Mohindra till now, but heck, I feel like they have that heritage baked in as well. Maybe they could do a little more to change the front face so it's not as Jeep looking, then I think they could easily sell this thing in North America.
Well in terms of changing the grill, Mahindra actually has every right to use their current grill along with theyre old 2018 design, the 2018 design was a five and a half, curved slot grill which is in fact 100% different than a 7 slot parallel grill that Jeep owns the trademark to. So in terms of the lawsuit, that was FCA's original complaint, however they soon found out that a five and a half slot grill is nowhere near a seven slot grill and they began to pursue other aspects of the roxors design to try and win the case. In my personal opinion the judge who ruled in favor of FCA was not only wrong in his ruling but also clearly biased. I mean let's take a look at the facts of the case, Mahindra is selling the Roxor as a UTV meaning they are not even in similar markets, and for FCA to argue that Mahindra is taking away sales from a Wrangler is in fact preposterous because they're not even in a similar class of vehicle. Then every single one of the aspects of the Roxor has been slightly modified and changed in a manner that would in terms of apples to apples make FCA's claim of copyright infringement preposterous. And yet somehow FCA won. Now before we get to far let's just realize that the ruling is actually simply a recommendation and actually there has been no legitimate action taken by the FTC against Mahindra. This is why Mahindra is now pursuing litigation against FCA and I hope they win it because they have every right to sell a vehicle that hasn't been developed by Willie's in over 70 years. (The roxors roots stem all the way back to the CJ2A or as best we can tell that erra) In general I find this whole lawsuit to be ridiculous. It looks similar to a design from over 70 years ago that at this point Willy's does not own the copyright to anything other than the seven slot grill. And so you can imagine the frustration that many of us are feeling in relation to this entire case. You've got a company that comes in, sets up shop in Detroit, starts providing jobs and is now in deep muddy water because the courts aren't fair and unbiased. I mean the facts are there, you can take a tape measure out and you can measure a Wrangler and you can measure a Roxor and you will find that none of the dimensions of any of the components match up. Because one is stemming from a design from over 70 years ago and one is a much newer design. In fact the only thing that a Wrangler today shares with Willie's Jeeps from the past really is the seven slot grill and perhaps axles and other chassis components but that's about it. Either way I'm no legal expert I just find the situation to be ridiculous.
@@DonovanGoodwin Very aptly put Donovan. Even I found the judgement to be, as you said, preposterous. Jeep has a monopoly in the US at present and it sees Mahindra as major competition....
You forgot to mention MM540 which was the base for the previous gen Thar. Mahindra for many years has used the Peugeot diesel as it's more economical than gas engines in India. Mahindra used to make a model called Classic based on the old Willys Jeep which was the first incarnation of Thar.
If this starts competing with Domestic brands, will they call it Thar Wars?
Yea
i see what you did there ;)
Mike Tyson would call it that.
In USA they will certainly use the same production facilities available for M&M Roxer at Michigan AMERICA.
@@ATRichard :)
We are lucky in South Africa 🇿🇦 to have both. Mahindra is slowly winning our hearts over for example, farmers here are shifting to the Mahindra Scorpio Pik up instead of the Ford Ranger and Toyota Hilux because it is cheaper and still does the job very well and will last for as long it is required (5 to 10 years of hard work).
me who thought mahindra only existed in India
Scorpio is a very commonly used vehicle in semi urban and rural India too.. I am glad you like it in your country as well.
Mahindra is a very big company in india and also successful scorpio is very popular in india
@@xd.5513 MAHINDRA IS AN INDIAN COMPANY
@@swaritprashar5848 i already know dude. i am from india
I've owned my 2017 Mahindra Thar now for 2 years. What an amazing vehicle. Gone where a lot of bigger modded vehicles goes. Awesome value for money too. Cheers from south africa
Cheers from India. Eat, drive, sleep.👍
@@tapas1505 cheers Bud👌
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Wish we had them in the USA, Wrangler has become posh and way too expensive. I want a cheap option, like a Jimny or Thar.
@supreme 08 my old Samari was excellent off-road. Don't know about rock crawling, but actual dirt it was amazing. I figure a Jimny should be similar.
Yes so we can loose more jobs in America!
@@90210sky not necessarily. Mahindra did assembly in the USA with US employees, Jeep could make something competitive in the same space if they chose to.
@@90210sky mahindras have a plant in Detroit
90210sky you LOSE jobs in America (by that I think you mean the U.S.A. as "America" is the continent!) because you don't pay attention to LOOSE screws (and I don't mean THAT kind of " screws"!) where it counts!
I've been to india and i've seen these things work... And i mean properly work. They are so bullet proof. We did a ton of tours up mountain passes and even some rock climbs and they all use these and bolero's ( pick up version pretty much). Where i stay (south africa) farmers and people in more rural areas love these because oc how tough they are.
Ya bro agreed
I have seen 30 year old mahindra commander running on kerosene carrying 10 people in it. It never breaks..
You are creating a lot of pollution mate.
@@MrVishawjeet he has seen, not that he's driving one.
@@MrVishawjeet Unfortunately we can't invade countries for fullfill our oil requirements. We use what we have.
@@gobimurugesan2411 😂😂
@@gobimurugesan2411 nailed it 😆😆
Minor corrections: The new Thar would go for around 20k USD in India, and a Jeep Wrangler sells here for approx 100k USD.
Correction base price starts at 12500$
No kidding? A 100k USD? even the Indians who import it pay less than that. Man that's expensive AF. But hey, you got Dodge in your country, so you guys can buy a Demon, whereas we can't because here people want to know only the mileage that the car gives
Anyone that would pay a100K usd for any Jeep product is a complete buffoon.... And believe me we have many in the states...
We have jeep.. But expensive
Still a 5 to 1 advantage Mahindra.
Why don't they Sell these In The US 😩😩, These are better than those overpriced Jeeps
Glad to hear you loved my dream car mate ✌️😍
Mahindra only has license to produce and sell the jeep designed vehicle for India. If they wanna sell it in the US it would have to look different.
Lawsuits
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@@RajKarma they sell thar in South Africa. Mahindra is not selling thsr in UK because FCA will sue them even if they own the rights. And fiat is very big in usa so mahindra will lose.
We had Mahindra USA tractors on the ranch and they were great, I wish they could find a way to import these, a better version of the old Suzuki Samurai
It will sell big here in Australia
Yes, would love to see it here in Oz, it would suit me fine.
This is Great Jeep. its small sturdy and super Great you just take a test drive and you will forget old second Gen samurai. compact and integrated.
It beats present Gimny
@@its.a.beautiful.world. *jimny
They're coming to Oz
It was after the 550xdb came the thar
It would be cool if Mahindra would bring thier vehicles to the US market, I feel that would be a nice change of pace for the US consumer since we are kinda limted on whats out thier
Their Roxor sells well but , they have this battle going on with Jeep, plus they did try to bring Scorpio to the united states but ran into dealership problems.
The iconic Mahindra Scorpio costs only around 22,000$ in India.
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Limited? There’s only several hundred models from about 10 different Makers
Love my *Mahindra Thar* from Australia. An absolute workhorse but affordable.
Since when did Australians start getting thars?
Stop lying, Australia doesn't have Thar Yet .
@@imviiku it wont come too because of FCA case
Bhi tukitna maje leta hai ...
Kabhi Australian
Kabi Maynmar
Kabhi Japani
Kabhi Taiwan
Kabi Phillipines
BS, there's law suit going on THar is Aust.
If we allowed this beautiful vehicle to be sold here in the US, Jeep and Ford would be in a huge competition
There will be a competition for the second place, the first will go to Mahindra. I am certain of that
It's simple, easy to own and gets the job done with minimum expenses.
actually no! It will never be, well maybe but not at launch coz Jeep and Ford sells on Brand value even tho Mahindra has proven to be very reliable and cost-effective and very very good with service they will still be seen as cheap, it's not too blame anyone but it's just how we see things, but those who can see past the Brand aspect of cars they know which one is the real deal haha
@@souravde2029 how long have they been in production?
@@timcapuchino3563 well Thar is what we should consider the 3rd generation of a vehicle but
CJ3A was the first model of this that was launched in 1949 and then MM540 and then in 2010 Thar as we know it today was launched and tbh they still look the same, that's what the company is going for, the original look of Willys
I would have prefered it if this guy had stuck to telling me what the Thar is rather than comparing it to a Jeep. Jeep's might be legends in the US but the rest of us know that they are unreliable and costly to run.
Thar is reliable, never seen one breaking down in the middle of nowhere and its way less costly.
Search Autocar India Mahindra Thar and know everything you want about that.
I am an East Indian who had a 2006 Wranger TJ, 1998 Cherokee XJ. the straight six engine and the Toyota transmission on both are bombproof. These both were very reliable vehicles. Gas mileage is low but maintenance is really cheap, were self maintained a 100%. These vehicles were simple designs and just plain reliable. Watching this video specifically for the comparison :-). Good day.
@@justinjoseph129 i miss the straight 6. best engine jeep ever had.
@@cydonianman 4.0L straight 6 rules, especially with the 6 speed manual.
I was hoping their Scorpio was going to be imported to the US.
I don't know why they don't launch it in us
The new gen Scorpio will be launched by Dec 2021 may be thats why they are not yet launching it in the US
Just imagine if they launch a scorpio v6 in us
@Allie X well cause mahindra designed it for international market from the beginning .
I heard that new scorpio won't be 4x4..not sure though.
FCA is mad because Mahindra will build a more reliable better quality Cheap Jeep.
Mahindra products are not reliable and bad to very bad in quality. Cheap, yes.
Here that car's full features
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@@nnns415 Ever heard of Scorpio? That thing can compete a Toyota in reliability.
@@nnns415 are you sure?? Ever heard about Bolero? Scorpio?
@@nnns415 Lol... Come to Kerala... You will see only Mahindra vehicles in Hill areas... Mahindra Vehicles are extremely reliable.
FCA has some nerve suing Mahindra. Chrysler never manufactured the CJ, AMC did, who got it from Kaiser, who got it from Willys, who stole it from Bantam. Mahindra was given the right to build a Jeep way back when by the US Army, who commissioned the Jeep in the first place.
Chrysler purchased AMC who had the rights to willy's.
I get what you mean, but.. with FCA owning ALL the rights from Willys, Kaiser, and AMC, so theoretically they do have the right legally to do so
Holy sh!t. I fact checked you and you are spot on! Why do people not know this? The Toyota FJ was a knock because they had no agreement with Willys.
And yet Mahindra lost the legal tussle.
@@fookrefookre349 mahindra has right to use this design only in India.
I would get it just to annoy the Jeep crowd. I was up the trails high in the Wasatch mountains in an Armada. Some kid and his dad driving a Wrangler Sport were wondering how we got up there in an Armada. “I’m surprised that could do it!” Love it coz they seem to think the Jeep badge has some kind of off-road magic.
With the new Bronco on one end, and Mohindra on the other Jeep would get eaten up!
@@andmicbro1 The Bronco would not! Jeep has been here forever. Why did Bronco disappear for 25 years and comes back and you praise it. Did you know Bronco would not be produced in 25 years? How do you know Bronco would not disappear again?
@@myytchannel6632 Dude, it's a car, don't get so butt hurt.
Infact Mahindra and Ford have just entered into joint ventures for the production of 3 SUVs and the future bronco sport may likely turn out to be rebadged Mahindra Thar. That's what i am hearing from insiders
Taylor Ning that partnership is most likely to break bronco into the Indian market at a cheaper rate than the Wrangler
mahindra needs to sell in the USA and teach Ford GM jeep a lesson
@Aditya Aher they blocked the mahindra pickup from fear- Jeep wranglers are over priced these days and have forgotten their roots
Mahindra made a mistake , Pininfarina could have designed a much better looking and performing car than this jeep looking thar...
Ford is Mahindras India partner. They are going to cross launch many vehicles.
Yeah.. like Quality :D
And hyundai & Kia as well.
In other words...it's like an affordable Jeep? If it's more reliable than what Jeep produces, it should do well in sales.
It sell really good in india.
Has an entire cult following it.
About 50k booking before 1 year of launch 💪. It is a great number in India. Thanks for supporting our brands bro ❤️
Its selling like hot cakes in india
Something like Copyright issue, even Roxor has to do Design changes.
It has a 1 year waiting period currently
India showing Jeep how to build Jeep? Strange times :P Cool car.
Here in india when a wrangler gets stuck while offroading, thar helps it to come out!!..thar is an extremely capable offroader!!
India also showing the world how to make jaguar and Landrovers (owned by TATA motors India)
Yes I like jeep also, but considering the price I could get a thar and modify it extreme,,and still my money will be left,,,,, (if comparing to keep price)
@@nareshtanwar5219 True. They are doing a really good job over there.
Both are rated as one of most unreliable cars.
Ok...but could you imagine how many they would sell here if available. Say add a 3K import fee...16 to 18K ish, sign me up. All that fun beating it up off road and none of the guilt😁 hang it up wet, repeat
I have the Previous Model Thar use it predominantly for off roading.
It's an awesome off roader with 105 BHP 250 NM torque and has Mechanical Locking Differrential at the rear wheel.
I changed the Reat steel leaf springs to Single Carbon fibre composite leaf spring manufactures cin India.
This my mail I'd 4x4cj3b1964@gmail.com.
I had an imported 1964 CJ 3B
Hi Ganesh...maybe you could submit a "owner vehicle video to TFL" I personally would very much enjoy seeing your Thar👍
Ive seen Mahindra being held together by string going up and down the shitty roads in the Himalayan mountains, if this has any of that dna, it should last you a lifetime.
@Klaus Van Heusen no they have made according to the present Indian standards ..so the new safe enveloping frame , air bags , ABS , zero carbon emissions
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The day it hits California I am buying one ! These are rock solid and proven on terrains. Just checked some Thar reviews on UA-cam, they are awesome. Wranglers are bigger but I don’t need to carry 6 people for dirt and heavy off-road. Fallen in love with them.
Hey Mahindra, bring it in!!!
A lot like a modern version of a Sammy. I remember when the Sammy outsold the Wrangler 2 to 1.
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In order to have Mahindra jeeps in the US it will need a public outcry and protest, otherwise it's never going to happen, FCA will never allow Mahindra in the US because they know Mahindra will make better and cheaper Jeeps than the Fiat trash that they sell. And other US companies and brands don't want more competition either, and since they're companies with money, they will make the law align with their dirty interests
@@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess In a free country FCA would have no say... se la vie.
I am living in India and never would buy another Jeep than a Mahindra.
Excellent cars and service. Jai Hind
Haha if jeeps were easily available in India, no one would buy mahindras.
@@ishdeepsingh2960 Im in the USA and Id buy a mahindra over a Jeep - they are mediocre quality and over priced.
@@bikeman1x11 I agree they are overpriced, but if you think jeeps are mediocre quality, you wouldn’t be pleased with a mahindra 😬 also I’ve heard no one mention a good reason but price
@@ishdeepsingh2960 Bawe Indian Brands Make Indian Fool. They Sell Poor Quality Of Cars, Jeeps in india. Our authority jusr eat money & dont care about people life that's why they launch vehicle with poor safety ratings.
But bahar Esa Nahi Hai. USA Europe mei standard dekhte hai. Thats why OLA Cars ka licence cancel kr dia. UK ne.
@@gauravjaswal5739 yes, that’s what I’m saying. Indian cars may be well priced, but they are not the greatest quality. Indian government safety regulations are not ones you want to be spread to other countries.
Well American vehicles are unusually large in proportions and quite inefficient when compared to the other country's standards.
Yeah
If the vehicle is large, it becomes less efficient. That is obvious.
As an Indian that's weird to look at american cars. Here, there is extra taxes on even slightly bigger vehicle , so the race & pride of hoarding bigger than your vehicle doesn't start.
Mahindra makes quality reliable products.
Just FYI.. The name "Thar" comes from the big desert in India..
Yup, beautiful place. And it's pronounced 'taar' rather than 'Thar', isn't it?
@@jenskriek4280 spot on
Even I thought that it is named after Thar desert, but in reality it's not so. There is a goat variety called Tahr sometimes the spelling is Thar, Mahindra Thar is named after that Thar Goat because these Goats are Tahr are remarkably fast and agile in steep and rugged terrain. Their hooves are specially designed for surefootedness, with a combination of hard and soft surfaces to give excellent grip.
@@newzealandthamilan dude they stick the sticker or deser with camels of our thar desert
Interesting
The mahindras run on Himalayan roads since last 4 decades. And by "roads" I mean literal gravel, mud and slush above 4500 meter altitudes.
If these were unrealible no Indian would buy it.
Once you buy a mahindra, you've got a companion for life.
Some says Mahindra is India's Toyota.
The thing is that Americans have Toyota.
Those things have gone everywhere across the world from the hot desserts in the Middle East and South Africa to the bushes in Australia.
Toyota's are also better in terms of quality, technology and overall fit and finish.
@@rnayabed yep
it is not that good in terms of reliability. we had an XUV 500 and there was always a problem with it considering we did not do that much offroading with it.
@@siddharthsangwan7671 simpeler cars will always remain more reliable . xuv500 is quite complicated and mahindra tried quite a lot of new tech in xuv500 and i have never liked thier xuv line up .. mahindra is always sexy in bolero , scorpio & thar style .
"The Jeep Wrangler is expensive in India!" Uh, duh!!! It's expensive over here too! No way in hell bare-bones wrangler is worth nearly 30 grand new. Give me a break.
Yeah. But there is nearly 2.5 times expensive. When it comes to india. It becomes 5 times expensive.
@@manusid 2.5x as expensive, 5x as expensive...it doesn't matter. Overpriced is overpriced.
@@ryano.5149 True. Just giving an idea how much company is earning more from Indians despite the gap in Purchasing power.
Indian government to encourage manufacturing in India, if you import a car is fully build it will be 125% tax alone.
However if you import the car parts and assemble it then you'll be charged the regular taxes on the component based on the material they are made of, rubber plastic, metals etc.
Here in india a wrangler cost 63 lac where a thar cost 9 lac
I'd buy one !!!
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The Mahindra Scorpio costs only around 22,000$ in India and at this price point no other car gives you this attitude in the world!
@@ruffian9708 for high end model yes
I would trust this vehicle more than any FCA product
Mahindras diesel's are bullet proof no complaints on the engine.
It recently got a 4 star rating in Global NCAP crash test.
@@ankushbudhiraja9475 In the US and Europe, government regulations require the diesel engines to have emission systems that include the diesel particulate filter. That becomes the Achilles heel for any diesel vehicle that has to meet the strict emission standards. It is not the engines that fail, it is the emission systems that shortens the life of the diesel vehicle or increases the maintenance cost. And also the diesel fuel with very low sulfur decreases its lubricity, so that increases the odds for fuel injection system failures.
@@shmohsin-lasvegas From 2019 its same for India about the DPF.
@@shmohsin-lasvegas it's the same here in India. New vehicles need to meet bs6 emission standards, which is quite similar to euro6.
This seems more like a slightly more capable Jimny. Very cool!
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Mahindra Scorpio costs only about 22,000$ in India
I seriously doubt that, ifs will never give you the articulation that sfa gives you , that and the light weight is what makes the Jimny an absolute weapon offroad
@@Frog13799 Not to mention the jimny will be more reliable in the long run. Mahindras rust like hell. Ull probably never be able to use it in USA with the road salt. And I wouldn't trust the engine. Japanese ones r way better.
Hey Jeep. Here is a trend that you should follow. A hard top Jeep for $13000. WOW what a concept. Oh wait, you use to be able to do it.
Used to be also needs to adjust for inflation over time but well this is new and still 13000
Some things in America are built using (inpart or inhole ) slave labour e.g. for profit prisons Look it up!
@scissor hanz Union factory workers make around 75.00 per hour with all the goodies added. Huge difference, and that is why America manufacturing has failed. Greed.
@scissor hanz bien dit
@scissor hanz stop spreading fake information, a company as huge as mahindra never ever does forced child labour, the competitors here would have crushed them till now
Fun fact : Mahindra also owns pininfarina,Italy and launched battista which competes with tesla roadster:D
Dude how did u forgot about Mahindra making Podium finishes a number of times in Formula E..
@@cascito yes
YES AND MAHINDRA OWNS SANGYONG OF SOUTH KOREA , MAHINDRA THAR is super hit in India , after booking we need to wait for over a year to get delivery .
And now BSA also
@@dsp2035mahindra sold sanyong motor to a Korean bus company recently and sangyong is no more as the consortium changed its name.
Sir your a bit wrong there ... If i was to buy a wrangler in India its cost around 80lakhs on road ... Which is around 106,666 USD .... 🤧🤧
Still would be around th 45lakhs upward range or 60k+ that is if u can find one for sale
And then why would someone take it off road after paying that! Though enthusiasts can't resist but for a normal person, he'll probably avoid off road!
That’s a lot of Chicken Masala, Tikka Misala and brown rice. Can anyone say Mango Lassi !
@Appu Depends on rich to poor ratio. People like to play it safe here. I don't. And they also treat a car like a family memeber
@@mitchellkasdin1899 what's up?😂
FCA Have no right to complain, any competition is healthy for the consumer.
FCA has every right to complain. If they want to copy the Wrangler that closely then they should have to pay FCA to use their design. Just like they paid for the license to produce the original vehicle.
It never was a Jeep wannabe. It was the Original Jeep (basically a Willy's Jeep). Mahindra bought the license from Jeep after the second work war. So it was more Jeep than a Wrangler ever was
@@nsshade Mahindra never copied the Wrangler. They bought a license from Jeep and renewed it after FCA bought it. FCA can't complain as the Thar was more Jeep than the Wrangler
@@LordTechPro Dont forget, Mahindra vehicles are more reliable too than these fca ones.
@@LordTechPro I stated they purchased the license for the original vehicle. But they are now copying the looks of the Wrangler. They either need to pay to use the new design or change it to be unique. You can't just copy other peoples designes and sell them as your own.
Namaste
13000 usd Thar got 4 star rating in GNCAP
55000 usd Wrangler got 1 star in euro nNCAP (There is difference in ncap and euro ncap but still worth considering)
I have booked today my New THAR and just found this video. Yes, the Thar is the pride of India and is not a copy of any other brand but has resemblances with others. THAR has the licence from the original WILLYS Jeep. In India, the Jeep Wrangler is selling at USD 120K while we get our Thar at 18K. Then who would say a no to this beautiful affordable machine?
Mahindra won the case recently....😎😂😂👍👍👍
Mahindra built jeeps in India. We used to call them Mahindra Jeep only. They bought the licence and even tooling from Willys. Now t
@Klaus Van Heusen Hey man! I don't know too much about the details but we only always had the Mahindra Jeep in India. The police used it, in the olden days even the army used it, and common people also used it in the mountains, desert and the rural areas. I didn't even know that Jeep was an American company. They generally do not copy. They have a long list of original cars. I don't know why they are so adamantly copying jeep. I think they need to stop.
Klaus Van Heusen no the license was bought after the war ,although jeeps were built in India as part of the war effort.
Klaus Van Heusen u send bob we send thar, thank!
Sai Kiran Sharma hi yes trade accepted!
It would be nice to have a vehicle this capable priced in the $15-18K range... Kinda like the old VW Bug, basic, reliable and capable.
Mahindra Scorpio is another great value, costs only 22,000$ in India!
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@@ruffian9708 Great find. Thanks, looks like an impressive vehicle.
@@remfj40 yea it's a body on frame, tough and durable.. Runs strong even after 500,000 kms if maintained well.
@@remfj40 check the new one out, it isn’t as rugged, but it seems on par with American cars
Here in South Africa, the base model Thar is currently retailing for about USD17000, before deal-assist. After deal-assist, which is basically just a discount, the entry level model is USD13500 approx. It's the cheapest 4x4 currently on the local market, If I'm not mistaken. A really good deal, I think. And here it still has the "Jeep Wrangler" grill. :-)
also in India where it manufacture.Mahindra Thar is cheapest 4X4 SUV in India.And in india Jeep wrangler is 4 times the price of Thar. For Example- Thar cost around 15 Lakh Rupee and Jeep Wrangler cost 60 Lakh. Also Wrangler only available in petrol option where as Thar comes with Petrol and Diesel option and most of the people in india prefer Diesel engine for SUV in India as Diesel is cheaper.
You guys have the old version there if i'm not wrong .
@@imviiku correct. It was an end of model batch. I believe there aren’t anymore in sale until the new version gets introduced. Not sure when but I suspect 2023
Did FCA launch a lawsuit in South Africa as well ? ASAIK, FCA's lawsuit only pertained to Australia so Mahindra could with the old grille in other countries if i am not wrong
@@LinuxLuddite i have no idea if any legal action is pending. Doubt it though
Jeep in Australia are massively overpriced, notoriously unreliable and have terrible customer service. We are getting the Mahindra Thar this year or early next year and I am looking forward to trying one out. The Thar also has a much better NCAP than Jeep & Mahindra did at one stage own the rights to build jeep based platforms outside the USA, so I don't think they will have any issues from jeep elsewhere in the world.
Jeep sued Mahindra in Australia.
Jeep is just a cry baby.... Mahindra is making reliable vehicles for less price... While modern Jeeps are way overpriced...
Nah you wont.
"It was remarkable off road."
Well buddy, it was made for Indian roads...
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Indian Roads = Off roads🤣🤣
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Depends on which state you are from .there are developed states as well as backward states like UP biahr
Mahindras Thar and Roxor seems to be more jeep than jeep does...
@Ricky still cheaper than the wrangler according to Nathan's conversions
Probably more reliable than a Jeep 😅
@@munecaeburro lol you'd think that being they built the same thing since ww2 that they would have all the bugs worked out lol
@Dean Toma from the eyes of people who drive vehicles that actually are reliable, jeeps are not very reliable, maybe the most reliable vehicle Chrysler makes but let's face it. Chrysler....... is THE MOST unreliable north American manufacture, PERIOD. sorry brother
The thar is the spiritual sucessor for the willys because mahindra had the license to build the willys in india and they kept on bringing new gens and now this is you can call a wrangler but in an alternate universe
After the Second World War, Mahindra through an agreement with Willys started producing utility vehicles based on the original Willys Jeep for the Indian market.
Mahindra has signed more agreements over time with the owners of the Willys brand to continue manufacturing UVs based on the iconic design including the Mahindra Thar, which is the darling of the off-roading community in India.
I urge everyone to know the history before judging the product and calling it copycat or wannabe.
Thanks for reviewing Thar. You will love this product in real as well.
Wish if they can bring it to middle east on left hand driving
Yeah it's not their fault Jeep changed hands so many times lol
Jeep dna is embedded in it.....and a legit history to back it.
I have found out out they are not realisable so I would not buy one.
I'm sorry but I can't stop seeing it as a copycat. I look at it and I don't see Mahindra, I see a Jeep Wrangler.
Bookings are gonna start on October 2 here in India and it is gonna sell like crazy, no doubt.
You predicted the future
50 thousands + bookings and wating period is around 1 years today in india
@@Bhaidostyaar don't be jealous
@@nccbyss how am I being jealous?
I see mahindra as a better successor to willy's than the actual Jeep brand
Yeah that's right
No, that's the Jimneys job, they retained the solid front axle thankfully they can flexxxxx
i wanna see Mahindra SCORPIO in USA its a real road SUV deal ...
6:30 Man if they sold one of these at $13,000 here in the states, these things will sell pretty well I'd imagine. The current wranglers are overpriced rip off from Chrysler.
China Virus Jeep sales are keeping FCA profitable. I imagine the Ford Bronco is priced the same as Jeep.
Cal Ryan come on man. China virus? Why are we acting like children
KOOL KIDZZ thank you! (Although, I do agree with COVID19’s comment 😬)
It will cost the same as wranglers if they comply with US or European regulations.
Thar ax version (base model) costs around 9 lakhs which is 12,000$ maybe.
Do you think we will be able to buy one in United States? It sounds like a way to get in a special of road car 👍
No. Can't import another car younger than 30 years old.
Roxor is actually older version of this jeep.
Gagandeep Sharma Roxor isn’t street legal right?
@@rc_fist8352 mine is. Depends on the state you live in. Same rules as any side by side here in Wyoming.
@शिरीष ರಾಮಾಯ ರಾಮಯ್ಯ 👋
I have driven petrol at version... its butter smooth ... quick and agile. Thanks to Mahindra to develop totally inhouse product. Fca should get over of styling because looks does not play much in sales.. its the capability of the vehicle... and boy this is better than any jeep in real world.. i witnessed.
It's not cheap. High build quality with low money far better than jeep.Used in INDIAN MILITARY also.
Mahindra got better sefty rating than wrangler
I want a diesel with manual transmission NOW
Any diesel you get in the states will have extensive complicated fuel and emissions devices that render any advantage of a diesel void. Unfortunate but true.
@@geepuller1 yeah true same here too... We transitioned to EURO6/BS6 norms recently...
@@geepuller1 I have a VW with California emissions including exhaust additive(def) automatic transmission 49mpg.. I'd rather not have def.. but still great fuel economy. Great power/torque.. heavy engine keeps front wheels planted around corners. Just wish had manual transmission
@@nikhilt497 there is no difference in performance because they use DEF
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Wow. NEVER heard of this one. Looks like the front of a Jeep, and then smaller like a Jimny. Your knew wish list Nathan? Thanks for introducing this. Cool stuff!
You must try it once . It is a beast on road and off road as well.
Bro its really larger than a jimny. Just see it in real life. Its more built up too like a jimmy on steroids.
Lol much larger than Jimmy
It's dimension would be quiet similar to a 80s Toyota Land Cruiser two door ( FJ40) in terms of volume. Trust me it is no where near small as a Jimny
Its bigger then jimminy
I think this car makes dreams true of a middle class fellow. You can drive it to office and makes weekend special. You don't need to buy two cars to do this defferent things. Love this car and I will definitely bring this at home.
16 lac top model... Rather for a higher middle class guy... 10 lac base model but very less features
My Uncle had a Mahindra Jeep and i can still remember that machine was badly misused by many people but that was solid reliable. Maybe Mahindra can teach Jeep to make a real reliable vehicle.
Dear Jeep. This is the Wrangler I want. Cheap, rough, ugly, small, and semi-disposable.
Ugly 😂
Had Mahindra USA tractors, they are tough as nails not disposable
@justin abraham a new $120k Range Rover is not "disposable". I wouldn't take it offroading. A new 4-door Jeep Rubicon is so expensive I wouldn't even want to risk that on a challenging course. But at < $20K, I wouldn't be afraid to take a Roxor on an off road course, because I wouldn't be bothered by the inevitable paint and/or body damage that comes with doing that. That's what I mean by "semi-disposable". And in this case "ugly" is a compliment. It's square and zero fucks were given towards appealing to suburban soccer-moms, because it's not for that.
@@RoyMcLellan never thought ugly could be a compliment but i get it what u meant
This isn't that Thar from being a Wrangler. Thar's what I noticed.
I see what you did Thar!
big brain comment
@@shitloveaduck What bronco here
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9:40 I think this newer front end looks better than the Jeep wannabe look.
Isen t the Armada a rebadged Nissan Patrol? An off road beast?
It never was a Jeep wannabe. It was the Original Jeep (basically a Willy's Jeep). Mahindra bought the license from Jeep after the second work war. So it was more Jeep than a Wrangler ever was
@@LordTechPro Calm down. I was just referring to the grille. No one can deny the original design of the Roxor grille drew inspiration from the Willys/Wrangler look. The newer FJ type design just looks better to me.
@@Grenyas I was calm, just stating the facts. In fact Land Rover lost a lawsuit against Ineos (where they said it ripped off the old Defender design). Old off-roaders weren't "designed", they were engineered for functionality. Also it doesn't make sense to prevent a company which bought a license to be prevented from selling a vehicle that currently isn't being produced by Jeep. Even I acknowledge that the similarity between the new Thar and the Jeep Wrangler can be an issue, but the Roxor issue was blown out of proportion.
it is more jeep than a jeep since beginning .study history
As an Indian I agree it look similar to Wrangler but if you see in person you will notice difference and it costs around 13,000 USD and the cheapest Wrangler has around 95,000 USD window sticker price in India.
BTW, glad you guys covered it🤩🤩🤩
TFL - The Foreign Lane. lol If it is cool, they will rule on it. ;)
Even global NCAP crash ratings are better than wrangler
I'd like to see Mahindra USA build a modified Thar here, and a version of their compact trucks with a 5 or 6 speed manual.
They can't due to lawsuits
It would be good competition for the new bronco with the front independent suspension. I like it!
The bronco is waaaaay ahead of the thar
And costs twice as much as thar if not trice. But again that might not even get certified in US because of safety regulations
@@bobby26050 yeah I know bronco is advance.
But this one costs way less so u can enjoy offloading without getting bankrupt.
@@bobby26050 bronco kept breaking in their testing phase. Im sure Mahindra built it right and on the first go
@@ayrusvideolife they will face safety issues even if they outperform competitors 😂
Mahindra owns "Pininfarina", so in future they will give better..... also in india mahindra has Fords 51% share and in US Ford has max shares and both of these players will help each other in respective markets....
Actually it's a joint venture
Not 51% of ford
51 of mahindra
@@torque_only4233 51% of joint venture is with mahindra
The UK Wrangler only has a 2.0L petrol and a 2.2L diesel
LOL
Indian Thar have only 2.0L mStallion petrol engine (150hp and 350Nm) and 2.2L mHawk diesel engine (130hp and 320Nm). Talks like a new mHawk (100hp and 300Nm) which is in a lighter vehicle with 2WD is coming soon for lifestyle purpose ❤️
Saw a couple Mahindras when I visit Fiji islands. Was always curious about them
This looks pretty well designed, good proportions and seems to takle off roada very well! Exciting times ahead for Indian Auto designers and consumers!
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നമ്മുടെ താര് പൊളിയല്ലേ bro...
പൊളിയല്ലേ എനിക്ക് താര് ലെ താർ പിടി നമ്മുടെ അമേരിക്കയിലും
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How can I get one of these in the states so I can screw with Jeep nation?
Import it , it's not like India where u have to pay 3× times the price of the car...
@@cascito it will be double the price there
@@starscream1457 tell me how...?
My father has a custom 2019 Mahindra with a Diesel engine. He loves that thing. A lot of people in his home town of St. George, UT, always stop to ask him about his Mahindra. He says it does really well off road. It has a small fuel tank size, but he has calculated the MPG close the 40. Also, his Mahindra is limited to 45 MPH or so. He doesn’t have to drive far to find off road trails, which makes this off-roader a good inexpensive choice for him.
In India Mahindra vehicles are called as Jeep since 1948
Cool! I wish it was available in Canada too.
I’ll buy it for $15k fully optioned lol
Above 30... the roxxor is 19k optioned...
@@t4thfavor1212 thats because they are manufactured in US and hence more expensive
@@hiteshadhikari assembled
@@spetsnazGru487 yep
@Pawan kohad still not a bither when u see others cost 60k
From the front it looks like a wrangler and a bronco from the rear🤔
No, it looks like Wrangler all around & I like it, good kick in the nuts for fca
I would say wrangler and Jimny with a little bit of bronco
Now I would say,
Wrangler and bronco smashed on to Jimny
@@palsecam7797 and tons of missing features
Jeep Wrangler 1Copy
I'd like to see a little competition for Jeep especially since it's a lot cheaper. Jeeps are getting to fancy along with a lot of other off road vehicles.
Mahindra Scorpio costs only about 22,000$ in India
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@@ruffian9708 Don't be cringy idiot scorpio isn't a capable off-road vehicle like thar
THAR scored 4 star in GLOBAL NCAP CRASH TEST
Nathan , what is wrong with it looking like a Jeep. They own the rights and it is more a Jeep than the over-priced garbage from fiat/Chrysler/stalantis.
I live in India and I'm going to get me one with a gas engine. I was on the fence with the earlier version as it was really dedicated to off roading I need something that'll do both, now it finally can, I'd get the two door now and the four door if it comes.
I’d sure as hell but that I’m young and I can’t afford the Jeep wranglers but for $13k and to get a pretty good cheap off-roader/road legal vehicle I’d get it when they make it left hand drive 👍🏼
I got a 2012 2dr wrangler for 13k just gotta look for the deal
@@thejeepdude7875 Exactly, find a used Wrangler -- even though they hold their value well, they're still less expensive than a Roxor AND are street legal. Bought a 97 Wrangler TJ last year for $7000, and there are deals on Facebook Marketplace and other online markets all the time. The caveat is that you have to know the problem areas to look for so that you don't get a bad deal...
A high end 2020 thar with full options will come around 15-17 lakh Indian Rupees! That’s 20k US dollars! With imports maybe another 5k dollars?! I’m not sure how much is the import cost! So I’m guessing 20-25k usd for a high end full option thar. How much is a 2020 full option Jeep Wrangler in USA? Here in India it cost 80 lakhs. That’s more than 100k usd.
Adithya Rajamani a fully optioned 2020 Jeep is under 70k usd here in the US but you can easily get them for less if you cut a few options
@@thejeepdude7875 is right, depending on where you're looking, you can find some pretty good deals on a TJ or YJ. I live in California but I'm originally from Kansas, so I'm always browsing different sites like Craigslist and FB market place in either area, pretty much just window shopping. I've seen fully built YJs on one tons and 40s with chevy small blocks in them only going for 10k and stock YJs going for as little as 2k.
In india jeep wangler costs, 68.9 lakhs rupees=92000 USD...
That's minus consumer taxes and registration fees. Realistically, you'd be spending well over a hundred grand for the base variant. Options cost extra!
Dang! That is expensive like crazy.
Jeep is more like a lifestyle brand here in India. You can't really enjoy/exploit the off-road abilities since repair bills can easily skyrocket in case of trail damage. Mahindra Thar is a favorite for the simple reason you can actually drive the vehicle without constantly having to worry about burning a hole in your wallet. The old Thar costs around $20k, a more practical alternative to the pricey Wrangler.
This is ex showroom price.On road cost is like 80 lakhs
90000$ but still a 2.0 turbo petrol,smh
Seen some new sketches of a supposedly new Roxor. It has a different front end and hood on it. It has more of its own look to it and not a Jeep CJ or Toyota FJ look. I actually like the looks of it. Hope it makes it back onto the market. They apparently satisfied the judges with its new styling and they have apparently signed off on it.
"Once upon a time in a land Thar Thar away.."
This is a good and sensible review and it also puts pricing in perspective. Good work TFL. (One Correction - the older Jeep CJ Derivative made my Mahindra was called the MM540, then became the MM540DP (both with a 2112 cc Peugeot Diesel Engine and then the MM550/ 550DP (with a 2598 cc Peugeot Diesel Engine). Now if I buy a Jeep Wrangler JK here in India. There is only the LIMITED version. It costs 120000 USD on the road. At the present rates of currency conversion. The Mahindra Thar (present version) costs 1/10th of this amount which means I can get it on road at about 15000 USD in India. And this new Mahindra Thar which is significantly upgraded in its 2020 version, may cost around 24000 USD or so and it will be worth it.
The Mahindra Thar, has its DNA from the original Wartime WW2 Willys Jeeps. Mahindra Built these under license in India from 1947 onwards. This is India’s own Wrangler equivalent and the fact that Mahindra sells millions of their vehicles here in India, most of Africa and South America, in Easter and Western Europe and in America itself, is testimony to the fact. Also, Mahindra runs a very strong FORMULA E team. They own Pininfarina Design too in Italy. They are a very strong brand and a real solid company. And YES, the Roxor is doing very well indeed in America from what I read on the internet.
Good comments by Shankar Balan ! Well done.
I read Teambhp daily, your name looks familiar sir..
Shankar Balan everywhere in comments of Thar videos ! Pure Thar Love ❤️Keep it going bud
@@parthasarathy5759 its a good vehicle and my experience so far has been pretty good. I ve owned it around 3-4 months now…
@shankar Balan Happy to see your enthusiasm and love ! Spread it 👍🏻Thar Purist
It was MM540 (CJ5) and army versions were MM550. The MM540's were available with 4X4 and SFA's.
You guys should do a video on the Brazilian manufacturer Troller. It's a diesel powered short wheelbase off roader. I have one and it's a blast! Love this channel, take care, keep'em coming.
Troller is currently owned by Ford. I’m an off-reader. I drive a Land Rover and a frequently rescuer of those Trollers. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 As we say in Portuguese, I lose a friend but not the joke. Greetings from Brazil. Great channel. Abraços Adriano.
@@paulog8813 not my trusty Troller! Don't start your Defender to the rescue. For now...
Adriano Casemiro kkkkk Se for dos mais antigos tá bem. Mas se for dos 3.0 eletrônicos, posso dar uma força. Dos novos modelos nem falo pq a grande maioria nem se aventura. Tudo certo. Abração.
Troller is from Ford.. originally a Ford branco marketed specifically for Brazil and other s.American market under lil tweak here and there with different name.
Rahul Menon No. Originally an independent company based in the north state of Ceará here in Brazil. The inicial car had a “similar” look to the Jeep with a composite body and a gasoline VW water cold engine in 1997. The engine was than changed for an MWM diesel. Than in 2007 was bought by Ford. In 2015 they presented a completely new model that is still produced.
Halfway through I was googling how to source one where I was. This small cheap diesel 4x4 is what I want.
Glad to see an international coverage of Thar !
While you're going through the thar you should check out its main competitor Force Gurkha
51% share of Force held in Mahindra group
@@sarathchandran3503 BS
@@sarathchandran3503 LOL Wut!?
The Thar, built for wild Ladakh, will be driven for trips to shopping malls.
The Thar, built to be driven where ever the owner wants to. Never limited by location
Nothing wrong with that lol. Your car, your destination 😜
Have you ever seen roads of Maharashtra ?
Tu mat chalaio Bhai, itni problem hai to!
I take my Verna Off-Roading... ;)
Well, in my country the Wrangler goes from US $76 000, a Jimny from $24500 and a UAZ Patriot from $32000. For me, I prefer Suzuki because, through the years, it has the best reliability record.
I would like to thank all foreigners as an indian for understanding our creation so well. Indian companies no doubt produce high end superb designed and strong cars at a very very low budget. As for example we can take tata hexon, which can just pull an aeroplane of more than 10tonnes and is availaible at a very low price of about 20lakh inr rupees. Which is more than a value for money. If agree smash the like button.
You also search ''FORCE GURKHA " the indian g wagon 😂😍😍😍😍
Frankly, if they were licensing the design from Willys originally, and that's where their design heritage came from, they have a much right to the design look as Jeep IMO. Jeep actually inspired a lot of similar vehicles, it created the market for the original Bronco. The army asked the Japanese to make a Jeep for them in the Korean War, and that's where the FJ came from. And I wasn't even aware of Mohindra till now, but heck, I feel like they have that heritage baked in as well. Maybe they could do a little more to change the front face so it's not as Jeep looking, then I think they could easily sell this thing in North America.
In India, Mahindra is also used as the army vehicles, it have similar war heritage as willys
You're right. Both Jeep and Mahindra own rights to Wiley's design that's why the design similarity between Wrangler and Thar.
Well in terms of changing the grill, Mahindra actually has every right to use their current grill along with theyre old 2018 design, the 2018 design was a five and a half, curved slot grill which is in fact 100% different than a 7 slot parallel grill that Jeep owns the trademark to. So in terms of the lawsuit, that was FCA's original complaint, however they soon found out that a five and a half slot grill is nowhere near a seven slot grill and they began to pursue other aspects of the roxors design to try and win the case. In my personal opinion the judge who ruled in favor of FCA was not only wrong in his ruling but also clearly biased. I mean let's take a look at the facts of the case, Mahindra is selling the Roxor as a UTV meaning they are not even in similar markets, and for FCA to argue that Mahindra is taking away sales from a Wrangler is in fact preposterous because they're not even in a similar class of vehicle. Then every single one of the aspects of the Roxor has been slightly modified and changed in a manner that would in terms of apples to apples make FCA's claim of copyright infringement preposterous. And yet somehow FCA won. Now before we get to far let's just realize that the ruling is actually simply a recommendation and actually there has been no legitimate action taken by the FTC against Mahindra. This is why Mahindra is now pursuing litigation against FCA and I hope they win it because they have every right to sell a vehicle that hasn't been developed by Willie's in over 70 years. (The roxors roots stem all the way back to the CJ2A or as best we can tell that erra)
In general I find this whole lawsuit to be ridiculous. It looks similar to a design from over 70 years ago that at this point Willy's does not own the copyright to anything other than the seven slot grill. And so you can imagine the frustration that many of us are feeling in relation to this entire case. You've got a company that comes in, sets up shop in Detroit, starts providing jobs and is now in deep muddy water because the courts aren't fair and unbiased. I mean the facts are there, you can take a tape measure out and you can measure a Wrangler and you can measure a Roxor and you will find that none of the dimensions of any of the components match up. Because one is stemming from a design from over 70 years ago and one is a much newer design. In fact the only thing that a Wrangler today shares with Willie's Jeeps from the past really is the seven slot grill and perhaps axles and other chassis components but that's about it. Either way I'm no legal expert I just find the situation to be ridiculous.
@@DonovanGoodwin Very aptly put Donovan. Even I found the judgement to be, as you said, preposterous. Jeep has a monopoly in the US at present and it sees Mahindra as major competition....
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We want 5 doors version. 😊
I am from I am happy u covered this n suprised me good guys
You forgot to mention MM540 which was the base for the previous gen Thar. Mahindra for many years has used the Peugeot diesel as it's more economical than gas engines in India. Mahindra used to make a model called Classic based on the old Willys Jeep which was the first incarnation of Thar.
The 540 was mentioned multiple times in this video albeit mistakenly as the 450.
Thankfully, someone explains it properly and does not call it a knockoff! Now I can RIP.