I explicitly remind the first black forest game I played in DE. I had a dravidian pocket that would only spam ele archer and make no other unit the entire game, also no building outside his base, and will slowly get stalematey against the other flank with all those briton halbs and 80 longbows. So I needed to get 12 trebs and 80 imp skirms. It wasn't enough, the cavalry and siege from the pocket was always an issue, I think slavs. The winning move was, as viets, spam a ton of rams that would get the focus of melee units as well draw some from archers, invade production zone with imp skirm spam, and treb castles with all the surviving siege while 25 sapper vils take barracks after barracks. You always have to carry dravidians, the civ doesn't even have sappers. Dravs are probably not that bad, you have res for double range + db axe right on first 5 seconds, and can start production and fletching right on maybe even add a third if you need to commit feudal. Then when you get castle age you can probably have 3-4 ranges and use the 200 wood for a siege workshop, ofc it is a maniac gameplan but if you get the upper hand your opponent is in a world of pain.
It is funny how this disputes a lot of things that Viper said before. I always get a feeling with him that he always ranks the units like he just feels. And would he rank it again, tomorrow, it would be slightly different.
My top Civs are Georgians, huns, byzantines and armenians, Mules and churches help a lot on the open aggressive maps, dromons have their use and all of the civs have strong cavalry play in castle age or in case of byzantines a strong counter with the cheap camels
21:15 "That could be just because I'm bad" said the best player of AOE2 in the last years and one of the contenders for best player right now. Thats not humble man, thats flexing!
I'm normally on Hera's side in the debates but this time viper's tierlist actually makes more sense. I don't get why Hera rated huns and Mayans s tier@@karnazacss
I think it's not until castle age that the discount really pops off, both because that's when you can get multiple TCs running and also because the discount goes up by age, so by then it's over double what you save in dark age.
Hey Viper, I would appreciate if you made a tier list for the best short-term and long-term strategies to get started winning games for 3-400 level players.
georgians are always at the top of the list but since TTL3 or since they’ve been available for tournaments i’ve seen y’all(top 100) lose with them the majority of the time
Not sure if you should be spreading this stuff around. You haven't won anything in a long time you are most likely misleading people with bad civs.. not to mention the recent BO7 against Hera
He is better than 99.99% of the aoe players, has years of experience and has remained at the top for the longest time in the aoe2 history, surely he knows what he is talking about
@@silaszur I'm pretty sure this guy is just posting intentionally disrespectful stuff on Viper's videos wherever he gets the chance. He's done this a few times already. There's clearly something pathological going on here. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.
I love Viper's AoE2 opinions the most. The fact that he is almost half as funny as DauT is a bonus.
'almost! 😅
Saying "now that Japanese have bloodlines" as if they haven't had it for the better part of a decade
Crazy how long that mental muscle memory of a bloodlines-less Japanese has lasted for Viper 11
I am also still surprised every game I see Japanese have bloodlines lol, can't believe its been years
Hera and Viper both spoke highly about berbers, then they put them B tier 11
"Conscription, Sappers, Masonry this civ just has it all" except they dont have sappers...
I explicitly remind the first black forest game I played in DE. I had a dravidian pocket that would only spam ele archer and make no other unit the entire game, also no building outside his base, and will slowly get stalematey against the other flank with all those briton halbs and 80 longbows. So I needed to get 12 trebs and 80 imp skirms. It wasn't enough, the cavalry and siege from the pocket was always an issue, I think slavs. The winning move was, as viets, spam a ton of rams that would get the focus of melee units as well draw some from archers, invade production zone with imp skirm spam, and treb castles with all the surviving siege while 25 sapper vils take barracks after barracks. You always have to carry dravidians, the civ doesn't even have sappers.
Dravs are probably not that bad, you have res for double range + db axe right on first 5 seconds, and can start production and fletching right on maybe even add a third if you need to commit feudal. Then when you get castle age you can probably have 3-4 ranges and use the 200 wood for a siege workshop, ofc it is a maniac gameplan but if you get the upper hand your opponent is in a world of pain.
It is funny how this disputes a lot of things that Viper said before.
I always get a feeling with him that he always ranks the units like he just feels.
And would he rank it again, tomorrow, it would be slightly different.
My top Civs are Georgians, huns, byzantines and armenians, Mules and churches help a lot on the open aggressive maps, dromons have their use and all of the civs have strong cavalry play in castle age or in case of byzantines a strong counter with the cheap camels
21:15 "That could be just because I'm bad" said the best player of AOE2 in the last years and one of the contenders for best player right now. Thats not humble man, thats flexing!
The Dravidians love was way over the board. 11
Time laps 9:12
This is so different from Hera's list
Now I want a tier list debate between the two 11
I'm normally on Hera's side in the debates but this time viper's tierlist actually makes more sense. I don't get why Hera rated huns and Mayans s tier@@karnazacss
I think when starting in feudal, the Hindustanis just dont get to use the discount as much
I think it's not until castle age that the discount really pops off, both because that's when you can get multiple TCs running and also because the discount goes up by age, so by then it's over double what you save in dark age.
Så vad skulle de behöva göra för att gjöra vikingarna till en S civ?
"You have villagers"
1111 Dravidians OP confirmed
They would fall off hard if they didn’t
Pog
This is very similar to the arabia civ teir list. A and S teir are basically the same
The way you were sad not able to rank Vikings higher being a Viking yourself, I feel the exact same way about Dravidians.
Persians vs goths on Karsts, any opinions?
Awesome, I love tier lists, so really enjoyed this one! Great to see Vietnamese in s-tier!
Hey Viper, I would appreciate if you made a tier list for the best short-term and long-term strategies to get started winning games for 3-400 level players.
Easiest strats are scouts into knights
Huns are A tier because Viper don't get housed when he plays huns
Tier list viper is my favorite viper
georgians are always at the top of the list but since TTL3 or since they’ve been available for tournaments i’ve seen y’all(top 100) lose with them the majority of the time
Vikings C tier, nuff said. No way they are better than burgundians here.
music is way too loud couldnt watch :(
Dravidians❤
Hindustanis S tier really?
Super hard to counter
Protip: Skip to the end of the video and see the full tier list, then watch Viper discuss your fave civs.
Vipah! Would love to see you play Manor Lords, I'm sure it will be hilarious!
Damn, took a while to realise this is not AoE4. Bye guys...
First
Not very realistic...
Why
Not sure if you should be spreading this stuff around. You haven't won anything in a long time you are most likely misleading people with bad civs.. not to mention the recent BO7 against Hera
He is better than 99.99% of the aoe players, has years of experience and has remained at the top for the longest time in the aoe2 history, surely he knows what he is talking about
He's still one of the 3 best players in the world so I'd value his opinion over some random dude on YT
Your opinion is D tier.
This guy made me laugh, not sure if he is a joking or not. Would be sad if not.
@@silaszur I'm pretty sure this guy is just posting intentionally disrespectful stuff on Viper's videos wherever he gets the chance. He's done this a few times already. There's clearly something pathological going on here. Hopefully he gets the help he needs.