The Only Problem With South African Rugby At The Moment... It's Just Too Good!
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2025
- Shane Horgan, Rory Lawson and Alex delve into why South Africa reigns as the top rugby team in the world. They explore the Springboks' dominance and reflect on the Southern Hemisphere's heavy representation in World Rugby’s Team of the Year
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Is the gap between South Africa and other Tier 1 Nations going to get bigger before it gets smaller? 👀
How do you measure that gap? World ranking points? Then I don't think so, there will always be a contender within reach, all it takes is lose a game or 3 in a season at the right time. What I will say is this. Bring on 2027. I think we have a good chance for a treble.
You got to understand the demographics, politics and socio economics of South Africa to understand as to why we are so good. Rugby is a ticket to wealth and success.
In countries for eg. Australia, New Zealand, France and the British isles, rugby is a choice if the youngsters want to play it or not. If they decide not to play rugby, there are other careers, other than the game to choose from.
Rugby in South Africa has become a choice between either rugby or gangsterism and drugs especially for the players of color.
Rugby, is to almost all players of color, the only choice to the bigtime,hence the commitment and discipline for the game.
@@donovanhendricks2218Colour......
yes 100% closest rivals will be England - NZ to really fall off the pace before 2027
@@donovanhendricks2218 is this why 13 schools players have been banned for 3 years each for drug taking as well as two internationals for 4 years all in the last year, drugs in rugby is pretty rampant in SA.
The psychological aspect of the Bok side cannot be overlooked and understated.
Recently, we saw French star Jalibert refuse a postion on the bench, opting to return to his club - a guy that has won next to zero in test rugby, considered himself too good to be benched against the All Blacks. Think about what message that sends to the players on the bench? What about the players that weren't selected? (This is one of the reasons why the French will again fall at the quarterfinal hurdle in the 2027 world cup, but that's a discussion for another day)
Now look at the Boks. When one of their megastars like Etzebeth, Kolisi, Malherbe, Nche or Mbonambi comes off, uou never see a shake of the head, or a sideline argument. Best player in the world, Pieter-Steph du Toit started on the bench the other day and did not make a peep. Triple world cup medalist and two time winner Handré Pollard? Even less of a peep coming off the bench.
So what is the Bok message to their bench players? For one, they aren't "replacements", they are "finishers". For two, they are not "the bench", they are the "Bomb Squad." When you see probably the biggest star in world rugby, Siya Kolisi come off at 55 minutes, you know that he believes Kwagga Smith is the best player in the world to replace him. Likewise Etzebeth, he believes that RG Snyman coming on at 55 minutes is the best in the world to see the match through.
Then, the "second teams". This isn't a case of trying some guys against Tier 2 opponents, but having them travel away to Australia in Perth. Or away to Argentina.
Above and beyond Rassie's tactical skills, he is a master of psychology and making his players feel valued. A player that FEELS good enough, more often than not is going to BE good enough.
I don't know if the Boks can make it three in a row in 2027. Maybe they can, maybe they can't - but damn, if there was any team that I would back to do it, it would be them.
Well said.
Very well written. Great points!
Once again the uninformed comment. Jalibert WAS NOT on the bench. He was out of the 23. And it is Galthie was advised him to go back to his club. Please get your info straight
@@MarkFraserGrant but wrong. Jalibert not on the bench
@@jlsimonable Whatever the disagreement between Jalibert and the coach may have been, @randomlyfactual1943's statement is exceptionally well-written and makes some excellent points. It's worth noting that French rugby has a long history of tensions between players and coaches.
South Africa development of their youth is second to none
It's good but still not good enough. So much talent is going to waste because there is simply not capacity to absorb them into the structures.
@@saintsandspringbokshub1 yeah because no other country cares about their young squads
@@SmcdMcd-d2k That's not what he said or implied. It's very weird that you chose to interpret it that way. 😂
@ it was though. He said second to none
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I honestly think Marcus Smith should have had that 10 spot in the Dream. He played amazingly in an average team.
Honestly, anybody could've been the 10 instead of DMac. He hasn't been great this year. Marcus Smith is some talent though, damn!
I agree. DMac should have been nowhere near that dream team.
@@jengelbrecht7096 Had to pad the black jersey presence. Fully agree MSmith should have had been picked.
Agreed, if England won more games, he would have taken it. Take Marcus out of that England team and they loose all there games with a much bigger margin.
@eyeofrage7025 does Smith make the 2025 Lions squad ahead of Russell though?
Fourth World Cup. 2027 will be Siya's fourth World Cup. Been to 2015, 2019, and 2023.
Respect. Respect. Respect.
Jah, I just hope they don't overplay him so he can be in formidable form 💪
All blacks will take 2027 🎉🎉🎉
That's what you said in 2019 and 2023 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣@@LandyFortuin
I really hope Siya and most of our current crop can go. But it's two and half years worth of rugby to he played and if you look at the intensity Siya goes in with, then you start wondering!
That being said, I think we should start using him and guys of his age less to try and stretch their test careers. Put them on the bench, rotate out, etc.
@@LandyFortuin with the current crop of players nah
Springboks are for sure leading the game at the moment… but at this professional level that rugby currently is at, they aren’t miles ahead… they are consistently marginally better than the top 5. But 100% to be consistently better than everyone at this level of professionalism is phenomenal. Go Bokke
That’s a very true view, the depth is crazy but I wouldn’t rely on depth because World Cups are won by all time great players.
Every World Cup winning team had All timers.
I’m not sure I see that with any Bok players coming through except maybe 1 in Sacha.
Agreed; and possibly magnified a bit due to NZ, Australia, England and Ireland in a period of flux - which they will likely emerge from next year and we will have teams back on the level. Challenge for boks is seven months until they play again - critical that the provincial teams are much more consistent and get as deep into the Investec cup as possible to keep exposure to high level international rugby- especially against the French teams
'they are consistently marginally better than the top 5.'
Ireland have won their last 4 from 5 games against SA.
@@MrBlack_nz see I don’t understand this everyone I always says their depth is crazy. Their depth is crazy but then when they lose to an Ireland or an Argentina they say oh we didn’t have a full strength squad doesn’t make any sense if you keep boasting about your so-called death you’re b & c team should be beating everyone.
@@MrBlack_nz yeah but when the lost they say it’s because they didn’t have their A team. You don’t have crazy depth then
Honestly, as a bok fan I low key kind of like it when we're not as dominant. Its sort of nice to not expect them to win every game
Hello ! May Allah protect and guide you to his light and happiness in this life and the hereafter, God bless, Ameen. Excuse me for giving a little presentation of Islam, because it is very misunderstood nowadays, especially on those « Antichrist's » times, where media and politics are mixed to distort history and truth. And terrorists (puppets of the Antichrist) who misinterpret verses, out of ignorance and political motivations, and take them out of historical context (just like radical atheists do by the way) don't help either. Thank you very much for your time.
First of all, if you have any questions regarding Islam and yourself, just open the Quran randomly, and you will find the answer in front of you, like a miracle and a sign from God.
Islam is an arabic word that means the Surrender to the One and Only God, our Creator, Protector, Provider, who gives us life and all that we have, we are safe and sound by his will and grace, we are His and to Him we return, and we have to thank him in this trial life by submitting to him by our free will, or later in the Day of judgment when it's too late to save our own skin. Islam was the original Religion descended to earth from heaven with Adam and Eve (peace and blessing be upon them) in the beginning of humanity. and was passed to people with the succession of the 124 000 prophets and 315 messengers of God to all nations and civilizations since, passing by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ismaël, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon and Jesus (Peace and blessing be upon them) during the history of mankind, the last replaces and completes the previous, until the succession of the last messenger of God fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (Peace and blessing be upon him) to complete the noble morals of all mankind, to bring humans and jinns out of darkness into light, and to purify people's religion and belief from corruption and polytheism, and return it to purity and true monotheism, like it was in the times of the prophets (Peace and blessing be upon them).
Many Religions that we know nowadays, at their beginning were true and under Islam, initiated by one of the prophets of God, but their original teachings, history and scriptures have been corrupted over time with falsification and polytheism, or lost and replaced with false ones. That's why Islam is the only Religion accepted by God nowadays, which consists in bearing witness that there is no god besides Allah (God in Aramaic, the original language of Jesus and the Gospel), and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger, just like Jesus and Moses and others are His servants and messengers. Never a messenger of God said he was God or literally son of God, it was the people after him who changed the words of God and corrupted the Religion. God is unique and absolute, He does not need to have a family and sons or to associate anyone else with His kingdom, He can simply create whatever He wants, everything belongs to Him, and to Him everything will return. Allah said in Surah Al-Mu’minun : “God has never begotten a son, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what it has created, and some of them would have gained supremacy over others. Glory be to God, far beyond what they describe. The Knower of the hidden and the manifest. He is exalted, far above what they associate. (91-92 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah means the one and only God, the God of all prophets and creatures, the creator of the universe and mankind, and the Master of the Day of judgment, where our destiny, Hell or Paradise, is decided based on our faith and deeds in this trial life, and above all, Allah's mercy.
Allah said in Surah Al-Ikhlas : In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (1-4 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah said in Surah An-Nisa : O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God. Never did the Christ feel too proud to be God's servant, nor do the angels who are near unto Him. And those who feel too proud to serve Him and glory in their arrogance [should know that on Judgment Day] He will gather them all unto Himself: (171-172 / Translated by Muhammad Asad).
Allah the Most Merciful said in Surah Ali-Imran : Behold, the only [true] religion in the sight of God is [man's] self-surrender unto Him; and those who were vouchsafed revelation aforetime took, out of mutual jealousy, to divergent views [on this point] only after knowledge [thereof] had come unto them. But as for him who denies the truth of God's messages - behold, God is swift in reckoning!
Thus, [O Prophet,] if they argue with thee, say, "I have surrendered my whole being unto God, and [so have] all who follow me!" - and ask those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime, as well as all unlettered people, "Have you [too] surrendered yourselves unto Him?" And if they surrender themselves unto Him, they are on the right path; but if they turn away - behold, thy duty is no more than to deliver the message: for God sees all that is in [the hearts of] His creatures.
Verily, as for those who deny the truth of God's messages, and slay the prophets against all right, and slay people who enjoin equity - announce unto them a grievous chastisement.
It is they whose works shall come to nought both in this world and in the life to come; and they shall have none to succour them.
(19-22 / Translated by Muhammad Asad)..
God said : Say, “We believe in Allah, and in what was revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and in what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. And to Him, we surrender.”
(2:136 / Translated by Community)
Salam (Peace) ---------------------
Lol. 2 of the NH players named in the "dream" team are SH born and bred in NZ.
Funny so TOTAL dominance by SH!👌💯👌💪👍🤝🇬🇧🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
Who cars about an imaginary line that divides the rugby world in 2 halves?
@@MorgMorg-uf6ps with this reasoning I guess no one should care about about countries too huh?
@@MorgMorg-uf6ps ill tell you who cares the SH care , bunch of old fishwives 🤣
And yes trained in ireland .. what about all the Irish men who were on the South African rugby coaching staff
People saying SA weren't that good this year, perhaps you've overlooked the 50 new caps handed out this year alone, where Rassie was building depth through experience.
We also changed to a new style of play, under Tony Brown with teething issues to be expected.
If you think this team is standing still, or already peaked, you're delusional.
But what a season it has been.
Can't wait for the next! 🇿🇦
Not 50 new caps, 50 different players.
😂😂😂50 new caps....
Rugby continues to evolve. Currently the SH is doing better than the NH especially considering the SH recent away results. This should be a wake up call for the NH teams. Six nations champions Ireland lost to NZ at home and just managed to squeeze through against Argentina and Australia. France also just managed to beat NZ. The rest of the matches were all won by the RC teams.
Currently? How old are you, 3? The SH has always been better than NH and most likely will be for a long time to come.
NH was on top in between the last world cups, this is just how sports works. Cycles of teams in form.
Actually out of the 21 games played in the Autumn internationals, 11 were won by six nations teams and 10 by rugby championship teams.
SH has always been dominant. Look back to the first decade of the 20th Century.
Last WC cycle ... NZ were getting beaten consistently by NH, and no-one looking at Argentina, Auz .... We're on a sabbatical. SH weren't in great shape bar SA. So not dominant. Usually ... That is the case. Get over your arrogance.
I think boks are the best but honestly not by a lot...the competition is more intense than ever before, this truly a rugby golden age.
Feeling very uneasy with everyone raving on how "Good" the Springboks are. Yes, we've been good just lately, but much of this is down to a phenomenal coach who won't be around forever. We've been "Good" just lately, some would say fortunate, at getting results often against the run of play. There are players who have reached "walk-on-water" status in this Bok squad, who were also part of the team that took a 50-point hiding to the All-Blacks and lost all matches on End-of-year tour. Etzebeth, PSDT, de Allende, Marx, Franco Mostert, Kolisi, Jesse Kriel, Mbonambi, Pollard, Kitshoff were all part of the squad that went to hell and back.
A team that starts to believe this kind of hype will quickly find they're on a slippery slope. We've been good but far from perfect. Would certainly need to get a whole lot better if we hope to stay at the top...
PS to original comment: Players not in that 2018 squad include: Am & Mapimpi who created a magical try from nothing in 2019 final, and Kolbe who made the other in the match, also from nothing. Then single handedly (excuse the pun) won the 2024 event with his infamous (From French perspective) charge-down of that Ramos conversion attempt. Empowered game-breakers of the highest order, who may just be all that was missing from Allister Coetzee's teams...
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Was agreeing with you somewhat until you mentioned Allister Coetzee... together with a few others, one of the worst SA coaches in Springbok history.
@vivb5180 Yup, agree on that. As a Strormers fan, I feared the worst when he got the job. His philosophy of results being everything didn't work for me. The Stormers did okay while he was here, but I found it frustrating when we managed a 1-point win over some high flying team on one occasion and then followed it with a similar struggle against bottom-of-table team..
@@bradparker6156 Stormers fan, too!! AC's (aka 'Toetie') 44% win/loss ratio with the Boks is the worst of a Springbok coach since SA was re-integrated back into the world sporting community. Second worst was Rudolph Straeuli (of 'Kamp Staaldraad' fame) who won just 52% of his games with a side only feared for its dirty play rather than its rugby ability. Third worst was PdV (aka 'Snorre') who finished with a win/loss ratio of 62%. Thank heavens for guys like Dobbo (Stormers) & our genius Rassie!!
The praise is coming from outside, not the players themselves. As long as they remain humble and not start to believe the press, they should be ok.
Only Ali could consistently get away with 'I am the Greatest'
Saffa here...NH must stop blowing their own horns ...the current tour exposed their weaknesses and the fact that ALL SH teams are evolving and just play different rugby..HOYA SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE TEAMS...LETS GO FOR RWC 2027🎉🎉🎉
Yes, lets keep the US and THEM thing going and divide rugby with an imaginary line...
How are they ? You guys are absolutely INSUFFERABLE.. not one team other than sad Africa are allowed to be confident they’re not allowed to say that they have a good player. They’re not allowed to say that they have a good team. They’re not allowed to even say that they have a nice jersey at one of you crying like a little baby you’re unbelievably annoying. You’re a toxic group of rats. Also seeing as you’re why don’t you the Irish government give a little bit of gratitude there’s been a South Africa aid program in existence since 1994, where Arwen have given you millions every year what have you ever given to Ireland except a headache in comment sections.
9 out 10 world cups 😅
SH keep raising the standard
@ yeah but how many of those are tarnished by doping .. and realistically .. for decades only a small number of countries took rugby competitively
Lol love it when SH blow their own horns so much, when anything compromises this you lose your shit.
SA are dominant but not a long way ahead of Ireland or NZ. Quite a way ahead of the others sure.
France are almost on par with them
@Mark76556 Fair enough.
Agreed. I'm hoping that the commitment we've made to new attacking and defensive approaches this year will pay off. The Boks have a lot of room for improvement, but we are learning.
You can’t be dominant and lose games. Doesn’t work like that
miles ahead of ireland and NZ - close to france . I love the fact that NZ think that Damien Mckenzie is the answer at 10:)
absolutely brilliant video clip... Thank u
Hey Alex, correction on the nos of world cups
Siya Kolisi, Eben Etsebeth, Pieter Steph-Du Toit, Handre Pollard, Frans Malherbe all played and won Bronze medals at the 2015 RWC In England. So plenty depth there that come RWC 2027, they will be in their 4th RWC. A phenomenal feat. Then you have players like Malcolm Marx, Cheslin Kolbe, Franco Mostert, Bongi Mbonambi, Damian Willemse, Lukhanyo Am, Jesse Kriel, Damian De Allende, Kwagga Smith, Faf De Klerk, Cobus Reinach and Jean Klein (2019 was with Ireland) who if they make it will be in their third consecutive world cup. Thereafter you have Ox Nche, Kurt-Lee Arendse, Grant Williams, Canaan Moodie, Jaden Hendrikse, Jasper Wiese, Thosmas Du Toit, Marco van Staden, Warrick Gelant, Manie Libbok, who in 2027 would be in their second RWC. So serious cross generational depth there of World cup winners.
Hello ! May Allah protect and guide you to his light and happiness in this life and the hereafter, God bless, Ameen. Excuse me for giving a little presentation of Islam, because it is very misunderstood nowadays, especially on those « Antichrist's » times, where media and politics are mixed to distort history and truth. And terrorists (puppets of the Antichrist) who misinterpret verses, out of ignorance and political motivations, and take them out of historical context (just like radical atheists do by the way) don't help either. Thank you very much for your time.
First of all, if you have any questions regarding Islam and yourself, just open the Quran randomly, and you will find the answer in front of you, like a miracle and a sign from God.
Islam is an arabic word that means the Surrender to the One and Only God, our Creator, Protector, Provider, who gives us life and all that we have, we are safe and sound by his will and grace, we are His and to Him we return, and we have to thank him in this trial life by submitting to him by our free will, or later in the Day of judgment when it's too late to save our own skin. Islam was the original Religion descended to earth from heaven with Adam and Eve (peace and blessing be upon them) in the beginning of humanity. and was passed to people with the succession of the 124 000 prophets and 315 messengers of God to all nations and civilizations since, passing by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ismaël, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon and Jesus (Peace and blessing be upon them) during the history of mankind, the last replaces and completes the previous, until the succession of the last messenger of God fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (Peace and blessing be upon him) to complete the noble morals of all mankind, to bring humans and jinns out of darkness into light, and to purify people's religion and belief from corruption and polytheism, and return it to purity and true monotheism, like it was in the times of the prophets (Peace and blessing be upon them).
Many Religions that we know nowadays, at their beginning were true and under Islam, initiated by one of the prophets of God, but their original teachings, history and scriptures have been corrupted over time with falsification and polytheism, or lost and replaced with false ones. That's why Islam is the only Religion accepted by God nowadays, which consists in bearing witness that there is no god besides Allah (God in Aramaic, the original language of Jesus and the Gospel), and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger, just like Jesus and Moses and others are His servants and messengers. Never a messenger of God said he was God or literally son of God, it was the people after him who changed the words of God and corrupted the Religion. God is unique and absolute, He does not need to have a family and sons or to associate anyone else with His kingdom, He can simply create whatever He wants, everything belongs to Him, and to Him everything will return. Allah said in Surah Al-Mu’minun : “God has never begotten a son, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what it has created, and some of them would have gained supremacy over others. Glory be to God, far beyond what they describe. The Knower of the hidden and the manifest. He is exalted, far above what they associate. (91-92 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah means the one and only God, the God of all prophets and creatures, the creator of the universe and mankind, and the Master of the Day of judgment, where our destiny, Hell or Paradise, is decided based on our faith and deeds in this trial life, and above all, Allah's mercy.
Allah said in Surah Al-Ikhlas : In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (1-4 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah said in Surah An-Nisa : O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God. Never did the Christ feel too proud to be God's servant, nor do the angels who are near unto Him. And those who feel too proud to serve Him and glory in their arrogance [should know that on Judgment Day] He will gather them all unto Himself: (171-172 / Translated by Muhammad Asad).
Allah the Most Merciful said in Surah Ali-Imran : Behold, the only [true] religion in the sight of God is [man's] self-surrender unto Him; and those who were vouchsafed revelation aforetime took, out of mutual jealousy, to divergent views [on this point] only after knowledge [thereof] had come unto them. But as for him who denies the truth of God's messages - behold, God is swift in reckoning!
Thus, [O Prophet,] if they argue with thee, say, "I have surrendered my whole being unto God, and [so have] all who follow me!" - and ask those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime, as well as all unlettered people, "Have you [too] surrendered yourselves unto Him?" And if they surrender themselves unto Him, they are on the right path; but if they turn away - behold, thy duty is no more than to deliver the message: for God sees all that is in [the hearts of] His creatures.
Verily, as for those who deny the truth of God's messages, and slay the prophets against all right, and slay people who enjoin equity - announce unto them a grievous chastisement.
It is they whose works shall come to nought both in this world and in the life to come; and they shall have none to succour them.
(19-22 / Translated by Muhammad Asad)..
God said : Say, “We believe in Allah, and in what was revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and in what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. And to Him, we surrender.”
(2:136 / Translated by Community)
Salam (Peace) ---------------------
Coach of the year Ommission says a lot about what the guys think of the 2024 winner - it’s not in the words it’s in what’s not said
1:54 I don’t think most of the guys you mentioned are gonna make the World Cup. You should see a completely different South Africa next year. They will be starting to work towards 2027 now
Starting? Championship used 50 players..55 players on year end tour. Who else is bleeding new talent
@@cliffardgerber3830 New talent? A third of those players are over 30, most of them won't be around come the next WC.
I don’t think so
I think those are the guys that Rassie is going die by for another World Cup and then the entire national team will need to rebuild again
@@cliffardgerber3830 my point is you can’t take 55 players to the World Cup. He is going to start trimming down. I believe his best side currently is the one which is predominantly made up of players which played against Argentina (home), England and Wales. Most of those players are old though. Not sure if they will make 2027, most will go with a few remaining, and he will mix with the new talent.
@@MeiA-h9r we will see if he will take over 36 year olds to the World Cup
3:13 ... it was Arendse that passed to Etzebeth
Hello ! May Allah protect and guide you to his light and happiness in this life and the hereafter, God bless, Ameen. Excuse me for giving a little presentation of Islam, because it is very misunderstood nowadays, especially on those « Antichrist's » times, where media and politics are mixed to distort history and truth. And terrorists (puppets of the Antichrist) who misinterpret verses, out of ignorance and political motivations, and take them out of historical context (just like radical atheists do by the way) don't help either. Thank you very much for your time.
First of all, if you have any questions regarding Islam and yourself, just open the Quran randomly, and you will find the answer in front of you, like a miracle and a sign from God.
Islam is an arabic word that means the Surrender to the One and Only God, our Creator, Protector, Provider, who gives us life and all that we have, we are safe and sound by his will and grace, we are His and to Him we return, and we have to thank him in this trial life by submitting to him by our free will, or later in the Day of judgment when it's too late to save our own skin. Islam was the original Religion descended to earth from heaven with Adam and Eve (peace and blessing be upon them) in the beginning of humanity. and was passed to people with the succession of the 124 000 prophets and 315 messengers of God to all nations and civilizations since, passing by Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ismaël, Joseph, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, David, Solomon and Jesus (Peace and blessing be upon them) during the history of mankind, the last replaces and completes the previous, until the succession of the last messenger of God fourteen centuries ago, Muhammad (Peace and blessing be upon him) to complete the noble morals of all mankind, to bring humans and jinns out of darkness into light, and to purify people's religion and belief from corruption and polytheism, and return it to purity and true monotheism, like it was in the times of the prophets (Peace and blessing be upon them).
Many Religions that we know nowadays, at their beginning were true and under Islam, initiated by one of the prophets of God, but their original teachings, history and scriptures have been corrupted over time with falsification and polytheism, or lost and replaced with false ones. That's why Islam is the only Religion accepted by God nowadays, which consists in bearing witness that there is no god besides Allah (God in Aramaic, the original language of Jesus and the Gospel), and that Muhammad is His servant and messenger, just like Jesus and Moses and others are His servants and messengers. Never a messenger of God said he was God or literally son of God, it was the people after him who changed the words of God and corrupted the Religion. God is unique and absolute, He does not need to have a family and sons or to associate anyone else with His kingdom, He can simply create whatever He wants, everything belongs to Him, and to Him everything will return. Allah said in Surah Al-Mu’minun : “God has never begotten a son, nor is there any god besides Him. Otherwise, each god would have taken away what it has created, and some of them would have gained supremacy over others. Glory be to God, far beyond what they describe. The Knower of the hidden and the manifest. He is exalted, far above what they associate. (91-92 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah means the one and only God, the God of all prophets and creatures, the creator of the universe and mankind, and the Master of the Day of judgment, where our destiny, Hell or Paradise, is decided based on our faith and deeds in this trial life, and above all, Allah's mercy.
Allah said in Surah Al-Ikhlas : In the name of God, the Gracious, the Merciful.
Say, “He is God, the One. God, the Absolute. He begets not, nor was He begotten. And there is none comparable to Him.” (1-4 / Translated by ITANI).
Allah said in Surah An-Nisa : O FOLLOWERS of the Gospel! Do not overstep the bounds [of truth] in your religious beliefs, and do not say of God anything but the truth. The Christ Jesus, son of Mary, was but God's Apostle - [the fulfilment of] His promise which He had conveyed unto Mary - and a soul created by Him. Believe, then, in God and His apostles, and do not say, "[God is] a trinity". Desist [from this assertion] for your own good. God is but One God; utterly remote is He, in His glory, from having a son: unto Him belongs all that is in the heavens and all that is on earth; and none is as worthy of trust as God. Never did the Christ feel too proud to be God's servant, nor do the angels who are near unto Him. And those who feel too proud to serve Him and glory in their arrogance [should know that on Judgment Day] He will gather them all unto Himself: (171-172 / Translated by Muhammad Asad).
Allah the Most Merciful said in Surah Ali-Imran : Behold, the only [true] religion in the sight of God is [man's] self-surrender unto Him; and those who were vouchsafed revelation aforetime took, out of mutual jealousy, to divergent views [on this point] only after knowledge [thereof] had come unto them. But as for him who denies the truth of God's messages - behold, God is swift in reckoning!
Thus, [O Prophet,] if they argue with thee, say, "I have surrendered my whole being unto God, and [so have] all who follow me!" - and ask those who have been vouchsafed revelation aforetime, as well as all unlettered people, "Have you [too] surrendered yourselves unto Him?" And if they surrender themselves unto Him, they are on the right path; but if they turn away - behold, thy duty is no more than to deliver the message: for God sees all that is in [the hearts of] His creatures.
Verily, as for those who deny the truth of God's messages, and slay the prophets against all right, and slay people who enjoin equity - announce unto them a grievous chastisement.
It is they whose works shall come to nought both in this world and in the life to come; and they shall have none to succour them.
(19-22 / Translated by Muhammad Asad)..
God said : Say, “We believe in Allah, and in what was revealed to us, and in what was revealed to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and in what was given to Moses and Jesus, and in what was given to the prophets from their Lord. We do not differentiate between any of them. And to Him, we surrender.”
(2:136 / Translated by Community)
Salam (Peace) ---------------------
French here and we have to agree SA is the best team right now! They have great players and a big rugby culture. France need to improve a lot if we want to be at their level... We selected young players at the autumn series to bring competition into the team because we can't win in a long term with 23 players but almost 40!
The experienced Boks can play for so long because of the depth of players. They don't have to play all the minutes in all the games. On other teams, you would phase them out now, but they can still keep going for a while. P.S. Kolisi would also be playing in his 4th World Cup.
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2035 banned for winning to many RWC
Northern hemisphere rugby is still miles behind the south.
Most of the northern teams field players born in the south but qualify either through residency or family
Disagree. This year there were 4 matches between a top 2 NH and a top 2 SH team. 2 were won by NH teams and 2 by SH teams. Of the rest i don't think there is all that much between Argentina, Scotland, Australia and England. One could argue for a slight SH advantage, but "miles ahead" is a big exaggeration.
Nah SA here… any of the top 10 can beat each other on a given day. Ireland, France, Scotland are in the top league.
They did run ahead of themselves RWC 23 and the only conversation was France v Ireland. But the world rankings at the moment do reflect reality.
Wrong on both points! Definitely not miles behind. SA lost to Ireland at the WC and squeezed past France by a point also!
Thanks for ignoring a big part of my comment.
All Northern teams have players from the south in their 23 man match day squads. No southern side has any northern born players in their match day 23. Even the French field southern players.
The southern hemisphere players in the northern teams are a big reason why some of those games were close. Ireland main attacking threats are new Zealanders. Scotlands full of aussies n south Africans.
If northern teams only used northern players, the gap would be even bigger
@@RollinRoadblock Ireland wouldn't have a team if it wasn't for SH players, same for many other teams. Rugby simply isn't popular enough in many countries. It's the 4th most popular sport in Ireland and is played by an extremely limited number of schools. Ireland punches well above it's weight for these reasons. The likes of France & SA should never be losing to Ireland considering population and player participation.
it's the entrenched conveyer belt of talent moving through SA that's the most intimidating for me. the clubs may not be at the top of the rankings but they're each capable of beating anyone. take the boks out, minus a couple of injured players, and each side still has good players, just less experienced. and the schools just keep pumping more into the system. to the point now where players are spilling over into other countries and replacing the players who've been moving through their ranks.
People will say that SA Rugby attitude is unique, and maybe it is. But I think we in SA owe a lot to All Black rugby from around 5 to maybe 8 years ago. It was against the All Blacks that we first started to see a Bench that came on during the game ( any time) who were Better than the guys who went off. THAT setup needs complete belief and trust from Players, coaches and admins. I think it's not possible to over-state the qualities you need in top star players who are "On The Bench" ( or even in the stands this weekend) but they are still fully invested.
The Boks led in tests and series vs the ABs from 1928 until 1996.
After years of realignment, bad management and regrouping the Boks are back where they always were. The leading rugby nation.
@petes9524 well the record is so, but really we are talking mainly the professional era. As we call it " the modern game". In my view the value of " squad depth" had to be developed and the All Blacks were the first to see it. We now are the example but we were not the first.
@cameronmurie do you really think that's important?
Dismissing history allows you to validate your opinion.
The Bok culture didn't change in 1994, circumstances did and that led to disruption, adjustment and reorganization. That is now evident in Bok reemergence as the leading rugby nation.
Based on what you are saying, Faf de Klerk has not played this year, and he was brilliant.
Africa is Loading.... rugby 🏉 , Zimbabwe just won the Africa cup so much untapped potential not only in south africa but also the other african countries. Its only getting started..World Rugby need to get serious lots of money to be made in developing this sport and generating that talent.
And don’t forget Kenya’s amazing showing at the Dubai Sevens. Some absolutely freakish athletes coming up in the other African countries. We’re absolutely cooking.
@@jacquescoetzee47 yeah but the problem with South Africa in particular is that they’re so consistent with doping that why would world rugby want to invest money in them they had their lab shut down.
@@SmcdMcd-d2k Conversely, the problem with Ireland in particular is the rampant anti-Semitism that’s now threatening their tech sector and making it impossible for foreign tech companies to invest there.
@ ahaha ffs.. I’ve noticed anytime someone makes a comments about South Africa. You always seem to bring up a tech sector in Ireland or the economy or something first of all. Second of all, there is absolutely no threat to tech companies .. there is less start up but that’s not really an issue seeing as Ireland has all the big American companies on anyway and truthfully there’s not enough houses for all the people that want to move there .. And also over 400 companies in Ireland received funding this year so what you’re saying is completed false.. oh word rugby is also Has HQ in Dublin I wonder why it doesn’t want to set up South Africa? speaking South Africa on Ireland you guys should be thanking us more frequently. I mean, we do send millions of aid to you every single year and have been since 1994 little gratitude please
@@SmcdMcd-d2k How about you show a little gratitude towards the Southern Hemisphere for coming and fighting your war while you sat idle and remained neutral during WWII. As far as i’m concerned you should’ve been annexed by Britain and your coffers pilfered and distributed to the countries that actually did their part, you weird little tax haven.
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You have to realise what the Springbok jersey means in South Africa. It is literally life or death. It is what gives the country meaning and purpose. That’s something that used to be the case in NZ but I sense it’s diminished over the last 5-7 years. It’s only grown in SA.
That’s so dramatic you’re not the only country with history and it’s hilarious how you act like you are other other countries actually are much older than yours and have a lot more history and a lot more meaning to their jersey as well. Stop acting as if you’re the only one that matters you aren’t.
@@SmcdMcd-d2k In the next 10 years SA will always be on the top or there abouts , England will be a lot stronger . France will be great ,Ireland will be competitive, same as Aus . Nz will never be what they were and will slowly but surely fall behind the pace
@@SmcdMcd-d2k I think Soda5730 is referring to the crime situation in South Africa; as well as other challenges, such as the problems around generating enough power to the whole of South Africa at any given time. The unemployment rate is around 30%. Corruption is rife, etc. His remarks about the Springbok jersey relates to the achievements of the Springbok team in recent times; giving hope to South Africans in difficult times.
@ yeah I know what he meant . But seriously.. come on .. a country known for its teams abuse of steroids? You can’t say that those jerseys are not tarnished
@@SmcdMcd-d2k you don’t get it which in itself justifies my post. I can list numerous reasons why rugby is so intertwined with the national identity of the country and provide objective proof of this. It here is just one comparison. Wellington College vs Millfield. Two of the biggest rugby schools and rivalries in the U.K. at most about 30 parents watching the match. Almost no one from the school. Paarl Boys High vs Paarl Gimnasium. 25,000 spectators. To even begin to think that rugby has the level of importance in any other country except, maybe NZ, is quite frankly delusional and I suspect comes from someone with very limited knowledge of the history if the game.
Too good is a mindset ! What if Roger Bannisetr said 4 minute mile was not possible !!
Ok so I watched the content about how good the Springbok are and then I read the comment.
So how is it that some South African fans here are seemingly taking a position of them vs the world. They cannot accept a positive / negative/ ambivalent opinion about South African rugby without getting defensive or determined to find offence.
Oddly this has been going after to two successive RWC wins and being empirically the best rugby team on the planet.
Sure the kings of the castle are in the spotlight and rightly or wrongly draw criticism but most RWC winning teams have an aura of invincibility bred out of their hard-won confidence of winning the piñata of international rugby , but despite this achievement , this hasn’t seemed extended to a segment of the fan base who seem overly defensive or determined t find offence .
Bok fans , your team are world champions, no one is questioning it, you can all relax relax and enjoy it. No one can take the Boks victory away from you.
So there is no South Africa vs the world , no one hates you or is after you or conspiring against you , nor is there any need to justify yourselves. By all means if you have to post about your RWCs , your unique African toughness , togetherness , natural superiority or genetics etc if you want . But please stop this victim and paranoid mentality, it odd, it makes no sense to anybody.
The Boks are a magnificent team built on real values such as respect, honesty, courage and commitment. Be like them.
Marcus smith at 10 surely
or Albornoz
It’s not even close, Marcus Smith at 10
Marcus smith is fantastic his up their with Damian mac maybe even beter form at the moment.
@@thabza441 I think its close, Albornoz guided his team to more wins this year, against better opposition i.m.o., and with a back-peddling scrum
(but Marcus is legit)
Kriel, Kolisi and De Allende were in RWC 2015 so would be going to 4th RWC if fit
55 players in a 15 man game is wild
It's like the all blacks doesn't exist anymore
Yeah as a springboks fan I dunno it's pretty obvious Boks, NZ and Ireland all neck and neck 😅
France when they decide to show up and Argentina on their day are home wrecker's 😂
@@TheJontydavid nah, France is a monster too. Do not sleep on those guys. That QF game they were outstanding.
@daggaboom only in France yes. They are too scared to go and play away.
The current underlying sentiment is that South Africa should be considered favourites in every game they play...they wont win close to all, they are very beatable...but betting against the boks is folly
& Coach of the Year Rassie...
How? He lost games
@SmcdMcd-d2k which team didn't?
@@SmcdMcd-d2k2 games mate, by 1 pt each.
@@mthunziphakathi4215 yeah, but then South Africa winning the World Cup means nothing because didn’t they win the last three games by one point? And also just for some car furcation here they couldn’t score one try against Ireland not one and they had home advantage
Like the NH rugby
South Africa only really just beat New Zealand twice this year. Both Tests New Zealand arguably should have won and lost due to their own wrongdoing. Both games away aswell.
Will be interesting to see the Boks in New Zealand next year.
They’ve only played in New Zealand once Since 2020 even though they’ve hosted New Zealand 4 times in that same time period.
It is funny you should mention that NZ lost due their own wrongdoing.
Now you have the perfect excuse folks oh well we only lost due to our wrongdoing. Ergo we were not beaten nor was it due to pressure from the opposing team.
@@johnritchie4801 NZ were the better team for 65 min and then lost due SA having a much better bench. Experienced SA players out managed the game away from NZ on both occasions. NZ now have a more experienced bench and have improved in that area.
Next years two tests in NZ will be interesting. No doubt they’ll be tight but I’d expect NZ to win at least one of the matches.
@@DavidSmith-yi8ouwell there you go… NZ lost because they played for 60 minutes and had the inferior all round team.
@ ABs had the inferior bench. You’re not leading after 60 minutes in SA if your starting XV is inferior.
@@johnritchie4801 basically the exact type of shit Boks fans have been saying for years when they lost. Well that and abusing and blaming referees
How Rassie didn't get coach of the year?
SA have two teams that can beat everyone. They are streets ahead.
? Streets ahead???? They just beat NZ twice at home........NZ coulda/shoulda won both.
They could barely beat the worst NZ team ever at home, who were winning for 70 mins of the match and only threw it because they didn't know who was good for their bench and bad discipline. That is not streets ahead
... but didn't.
ABS outplayed in last 20 mins in both tests.@@deanjames1934
Yeah we need 100% win rate to stand behind this but I like your spirit
Don't you NH people think you are obsessed with South Africa.
Finn Russel at 10 on world dreamteam 100% 🇿🇦
Peak too early or between world cups? It's a common problem for many of the top teams.
The Springboks are outstanding, but they've also built up a false belief that they're better than the All Blacks.
Context is required for this, because in 2023 the All Blacks had to play the Boks twice with red cards.
In 2024 the All blacks had a new coach, were missing a bunch of world class veterans to retirement and both the games played were in South Africa on the high veld.
In 2025 I expect the All Blacks to win at least once against the Boks, given the Springboks have only beat NZ twice on NZ soil since the year 2000.
It seems like you're living in cloud cuckoo land man. Let me get you back to reality...They're world champions, rank number 1 and beat you 4 times in a row, aren't they better than All Blacks currently?
Who's fault is it that All Blacks received 2 red cards in two games? You're full of pathetic excuses, just give credit where it's due.
@@Levis2Brodie Gee mate, have a cry why don't you.
I don't go for the All Blacks and the fact you assumed that speaks volumes about how small minded you are.
Wanna know an objective fact?
Since the year 2000 the Springboks have only beaten the All Blacks 4 times outside of South Africa in a 15 vs 15 game.
The Last time the Springboks played in New Zealand they were creamed 35-20, and both teams had the full 15 men for the match.
In the last 320 minutes of game time between these two teams (the last 4 matches) the Springboks have had home advantage or a manned advantage for 73% of that time.
To win against an under-manned All Blacks or an All Blacks team that is rebuilding with a new coach and to only JUST win at that, not very impressive to those with an analytical mind.
It would be like beating your older brother in an arm wrestle right after he broke his Ulna, it doesn't count and celebrating a cheap win only makes you look petty and obsessed 😆
As I have said, there will not be home ground advantage nor will there be full game red cards to rely upon in 2025, and the springboks will have to actually brawl it out properly with the Worlds best team.
Siya’s been to 3 world cups already bruv
A lot of south african Afrikaans surnames have french roots but we don't always pronounce as correctly as he did
Psdt is no frenchman. The UK pundits must learn how to pronounce it the Afrikaans way!
Many of those surnames don't exist in France. They've either been adapted or they are new created. The might have a French origin, but they stopped being French a long time ago.
Many of those surnames don't exist in France. They've either been adapted or they are new created. The might have a French origin, but they stopped being French a long time ago.
Get of your high horse mate! Make sure you pronounce my last name correct, otherwise I may throw my toys out of the cot...
@@Bennusan1 Which ones were created? French surnames are as valid as Dutch ones, bro. Dutch authorities in the Cape deliberately dutchified the spelling of many French surnames, even though the French pronunciation still remains today; e.g. Taljaard, Minnaar, Viljoen, Lombaard, Retief.
Rassie Erasmus is the an to thank for RSA’s resurgence as a top team. Springboks are what NZ was 10 years ago
SA barely has a better forward pack then NZ. And also a barely better backline. At times the ABs attack is more potent.
ok boy
NH seems to be obsessed with South Africa which gives them an excuse not to talk about the All Blacks yes the All Blacks you know the team that thrashed you so many times.
@@MrWillt100We took those thrashings with honour. Now its our time as top dog. Humility and respect will get you far in life, you knob.
Lol what? Is that why the NZ forward pack was bullied in Cape Town? South Africa scored the most tries out of any team this year. But yeh our attack is complete shit. South Africa is just a shit team. 11 wins out of 13 is a terrible record. They should've won 15 out of 13 games. They're the worst team in the world. 😂
@@JayzVeez See you in Eden Park next year. Then we can compare notes.
For me, Damian McKenzie is probably the one player that feels out of place in that dream team. I just don't think his 2024 was anywhere near as good as Marcus Smith (as much as it pains me to say that as a South African) or Albornoz from Argentina, and I'd add Russel to that list too. Not sure how D-Mac got the nod there - he wasn't even the best 10 in the All Blacks shirt. Rest of the team is solid. Dan Sheehan, Sione Tuipulotu and Josh v/d Flier unlucky not to make the team.
DMac is a decent Super Rugby player, but I am not convinced he is a test player.
@@johanstruwig3815 I think he's exciting to watch, and is certainly a creative back. And he kicked pretty well in some big games. But I also think he was outplayed by Barrett in the no.10 jersey this year, and certainly by at least three other international flyhalfs, if not more. Weird selection.
Boks are my heart and soul, but the playing teams are made up of the entire support team and coaching team. You have to make sure there is proper development of new people coming in in that space, never mind players only. It's a dynamic business model and a business that's successful with a killer brand. Go bokke🇿🇦
You guys knew Rassie was robbed while mentioning rugby awards winners you didn't touch who is coach of the year winner
Ok, I heard Fin R, maybe on the bench but🧐🤔
I think South Africa can now put 2 top 10 teams in the world together. Not saying the two will be1 and 2. Maybe only 5 and 7 if the squad is split, or 1 and 9.
honestly, when everybody is fit, I would say 1 and 5 at the least (15 man teams, not 23 man squads)
@@aldobonaso3481 yea I'm with you on this. Two top 5's isn't a stretch and 3 top 10's isn't inconceivable either.
@@aldobonaso3481 You could be right. I didn't want to push the point.
@@aldobonaso3481 yeah but you guys always say that and then you blame when you lose the game on that you didn’t have a full strength squad and it wasn’t the A-Team, but it was the B team that’s such a load of nonsense
@@SmcdMcd-d2khow is that nonsense? Scotland is number 6 in the world. Are they expected to win every game? So, if this hypothetical 2nd Bokteam is, say no6 in the world, how do you move the goalposts. I dont like it one bit that Rassie seem to select a different team every week, but he has shown that he always has a plan. Longterm. I used to knock him for putting the team in a position for WR to have a go at them. Then I watched Chasing the Sun and saw him apologise for his behaviour and he has been better since. I accept that we are that team everybody loves to hate and for years its been tough cause being hated and losing does things to you. Now, as you can see, we Saffas are fine with winning and being the guy everyone has a go at. Life is grand no matter how much you guys try and urinate on our parade! Rassie and the whole Bok setup is professional enough to not let that bother them and keep doing what they're doing. I lie. Keep growing us more accurate. They're the innovators. Its obviously working, to your dismay
I'd like to see the Dream Team go up against France.
Why?
Transfixed by Shane's sweater.
Wait till our next generation matures
I'm perfectly ok to watch The Boks reaching their peak and being number 1 between 2 world cups, as it was the same Boks fans who are repeating you don't need to be good during 3 years but just during 3 weeks in 2027.😉
Not many if any Northern Hemisphere players could make the Springbok side
Smell arrogance
@@ronnievorster6361 if arrogance is reality then so be it
oh so the best 23 players in the world beat england and france by 1 point in the WC. ( and lost to france in their previous match...) A bit underperforming... ;)
@@jlsimonable I know and we won !!
@@AroundDurban but didn’t Ireland go over to your country and all their inferior players beat you , in fact I think they beat you on a regular basis , was this why you chickened out of playing them in the autumn series.
Full marks for click bait title.
We Sprinboks are far from perfect. We currently have a serious flyhalf problem and occasionally scumhalf issues. I mean our lineouts were horrendous this entire year.
How do we have a flyhalf problem?
Stick with Pollard. Sorted.
@@asv111stella5 Manie and Sasha are better playmakers than Pollard. We're in a great position with x3 top tier 10s
Voetsak ...jy praat kak man
Having alternatives is not a problem tis an advantage...how old are you?
Is this your dad's image?
The only issue is lineout, but mostert is back so that should sort itself out, got not problems at all with flyhalf and scrumhalf 🤣
Two French players of the year - Du Toit & Dupont.
Peter Steph Du Toit is South African 😂
51 players that SA used in 2024
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SA games this year has not been good at all. They have done enough but did not reach the play they wanted. The next 2 years will envolve a lot of rebuilding for the next world cup. SA wont be number one next year and thats not the goal at all. They wont win the rugby championship next year or 2026. Rebuilding for SA started in 2024 already and the peak of Rassies plan is for 2027.
You don't know Rassies plans
Why would SA go backwards as you predicting with the foundational work done this year?
Thanks nostradamus
Please explain why you think we so good when we are getting our asses whipped in the urc and champions cup
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People are over hyping the Boks. They did very well to make the final because they had a tough draw. However they were running on fumes in the last match and had a part time hooker on due to injury. Rassie was about to be made to look foolish for his bench selections. Then Sam Cane got sent off! With a one man advantage the Boks were still struggling in the scrums and just scraped home. Sam Whitelock revealed that the Boks were really struggling . If the All Blacks were playing with 15 the Boks would have been clinically dispatched
They had 15 players in the previous games before and after the RWC final against the Boks and still lost.
And NZ had an easier route to the final so it all balances out.
The ifs and the buts are irrelevant. What happened, happened. It is history.
If my grandmother had handlebars, she'd be a bike.
@@rainman6205 Thank you for that. Best moment of a morning cooking show used at the best possible time.
@@johanstruwig3815 Yes. Thank you, Johan. You are right. I do need to move on. I'm just a passionate All Blacks supporter and it still hurts. I'm sure you can understand because I suspect you are a passionate Springbok supporter :) Take care and have a lovely day :)
They’ve had lucky breaks that will soon run out. They’re not the best.
South Africa are the best in the world right now. They won the freedom cup for the first time in 15 years. They should enjoy it while it lasts. They wont win in New Zealand next year
I reckon they will target 1 game in NZ..... most probably the EDEN PARK one ( that's the one SA wants 😂) one thing is for sure it will be 2 brilliant games between the 2 power houses of WR
@@benpiek4428Will they let the Boks play at Eden Park ?
@@president6645 we can only hope.....
Cheist 2 very close wins over all blacks. One if them at altitude and the abs are in a serious rebuilding stage....😂 you guys are dreamers
YAWN! Can we focus on club rugby for a minute, Jesus Christ. Rugby is not only about about the Bokkes AB, and Tier one nations. Stop being so myopic and grow the effing game
Too much is said of this Springboks team. We even read that they are better than the 2015 All Blacks. Let's be real, the 2023 Rugby World Cup was given to South Africa on a golden plate. First, they lost to Ireland in the pool, then they won all 3 games in the Finals by a single point and in each of these games, there were crucial controversial refereeing decisions that swerved towards SA. When Shane Horgan states "their style is better suited" (to win games by a point), I completely disagree, it only works for as long as World Rugby decides this is the style of rugby they want. It reminds me of RC Toulon, the club won 3 European Cups doing what no other clubs were doing, when other clubs like Saracens understood what Mourad Boudjelal was doing, they all started to copy the same model. RC Toulon was no longer winning. The Boks win because their strategy has been fully supported by World Rugby, this is all cynical play.
We all remember how SA won in 1995, through absolute cheating and corruption in at least both semis and final. The IRB was more than happy to oblige, "The End of the Apartheid" we were told, could we find a better World Advertising Campaign for Rugby Union? Hell no. Let's give it to Nelson Mandela, free of charge, no sport involved. 2023 was not as much about cheating blatantly but they did get away with murders repeatedly. Traditionally at the RWC, teams that dominate in attack are given the benefit of the doubt, it was not the case in 2023. Never mind that the Boks were on the backfoot from the get go and for most of the games, no matter how much they were getting pounded, the Boks were systematically allowed to gain the momentum back through poor refereeing decisions. When a team gets pounded along its own try line and the referee saved the day all he can without bothering with TV replays, the referee make the game.
Now, if we are to compare teams, just compare the two eras, 2023 and 2015. Is the current All Blacks team anywhere near that of 2015? No, it is not. Were the Wallabies anywhere near what they were in 2015? No, they were not. Only Argentina is about the same. So for the Boks 2023 to win the Rugby Championship while losing to Argentina for the first time, does not quite equate to "best team ever" in my mind. They have not crushed opponents that we know are not in their best form.
How many players from that Boks 2023 team can most people outside South Africa name? Kolbe, Etzebeth, Kolisi and du Toit maybe. How many players from the 2015 Boks team can most people outside South Africa name? A shitload and guess what Etzebeth, Kolisi and du Toit were already there, along Habana, Matfield, Burger, de Villiers, du Plessis, Strauss, Vermeulen, du Preez, Pienaar, Lambie, Pollard, Steyn, le Roux... In 2015, South Africa lost to the mighty 2015 All Blacks by a single point at the World Cup and in my humble view, the 2015 Boks side was far stronger than the current 2023 squad. The Boks were extremely lucky to win RWC 2023, three times lucky to be exact... And someone has to explain to me why a New Zealand ref was allowed to referee the France - SA semi when the All Blacks were still in it for the final and that they had been beaten by France in the pool? Isn't it convenient? You don't see that in any other sports because the sportsmanship of your organization would be highly questionable and questioned. 2023 was the usual World Rugby BS, 1995, 2011 and 2023 were absolutely decided by the referees. This is why Rugby Union is dying. The Commonwealth is a curse for the game. It is a private club and we know very well how their Board of Executives work.
😂 You need to see a proctologist buddy. You are clearly a bit emotionally backed up.
Winning 3 matches in a row with 1 point, says something. You are looking at SA getting lucky but have no balanced view to also consider opposition opportunities denied by the Boks in those games. Your great wall of text smells of bias, sour grapes and a pinch of envy. I cannot help to love these posts of denial against SA's dominance. Your tears are sweet. 😀
And come on, using an argument like "who know their names - nobody" is as weak as it gets. You are pointing out that Rassie is deepening his squad depth by fielding names you never heard of before, but we still keep winning? Should we not be losing when we use these "unknown" players? Here's a tip. Go read those names, you will GET to learn them year on year whether you like it or not.
Ai here foeitog! Kan iemand nie vir die man 'n koppie suikerwater gee nie?
(My late mother's recipe for treating histeria 😁)
@@Bennusan1 That's not what you see a proctologist for, but good on you for coming out of the closet publicly.