Electricians vs Plumbers vs HVAC!!! Why DO They Hate Each Other???
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If you have been in the trades for any length of time (let’s say anything longer than one day!!), you will certainly have noticed the immense hatred between Electricians, Plumbers, and HVAC installers. Why is that? In todays episode of Electrician U, Dustin explains why this phenomenon takes place and a couple of items to mitigate the issue.
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Now, lets preface our conversation by saying that maybe an Immense Hatred isn’t the right statement! Maybe a better one is a Strong Dislike. And this isn’t on every single job across the nation. It seems to be more prevalent on the smaller residential type projects. On the larger custom type homes and large commercial projects, the teams of workers generally tend to be much more in synch with each other and/or tend to get along with each other. Also, by hatred we don’t mean electricians are lurking around the corner hoping to inflict pain on the plumber/HVAC tech! We just mean that we generally just wish the other two trades weren’t currently on the project we are working on or that they would just leave each other’s work alone.
Quite a bit of the animosity between the 3 trades comes from the act of building something itself. Let’s face it, there is A LOT of work going on in a compressed space. A LOT!! So many systems and so much material gets put into a small (relatively) space. Add to this that building schedules are getting shorter and shorter, leaving the trades even less time to put in more stuff! Of the three trades, electricians tend to be on the project the longest and have more work/materials into every single area of the project. While plumbers/HVAC certainly have a considerable amount of work to do, they can generally be in and out of a house being built within a few days and then come back at the end to trim the project out and test their systems. Electricians on the other hand, have so many systems (lighting, power, the smoke detectors/fire alarm stuff, audio/visual, etc.) and those systems are in EVERY room within the house. Wires must be run to EVERYTHING to link the items together also.
In a perfect world, us electricians would rather the plumbers/HVAC show up and do their work and then leave, and then we would have the project to ourselves to install our work. Alone. But scheduling is the GC’s domain, and all the different trades must be choreographed in just such a manner so we are not just crawling over each other trying to install our work. But sometimes certain crews aren’t available on the most convenient days for the electrician. Not to mention that there is still the overall schedule to consider, and that generally cannot be pushed out (not without costing $$!).
Respect (or lack of) for another trades work/tools/materials is another reason why there is much animosity between the trades. Borrowing (that is read as TAKING WITHOUT ASKING) ladders and not returning them promptly can be a frustration. And when they are given back, they are generally covered in HVAC mastic! Removing someone’s work to install your own is another problem. While this isn’t always a huge deal if done with respect, the problem is when another trade just destroys a can light to fit in their own work. Or someone just chops out our wire because it is in their way AND they don’t mention it to anyone. Simple respect would help tremendously here. If something needs to be moved, just ask us! Its much easier for us to move an offending piece of electrical equipment simply by uninstalling it as opposed to having to remove a destroyed piece of equipment or wait until the drywall is up and painted before we discover it!
We hope this has helped to solve the riddle of why Electricians, Plumbers and HVAC techs have a strong dislike for one another. Is there a topic you would like to see discussed on Electrician U? Leave a comment in the comments section and let us know. Please continue to follow Dustin and Electrician U as we are constantly updating our content to assist our followers in becoming the best electricians that they can be.
@RogerWakefield
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Don’t forget Drywallers, the mortal enemy of every electrician, plumber, and HVAC guy.
Who doesn't do drywall?
You're being too kind to the mud puppies. I was nice at one time. Then these puppies thought A. the gringo don't speak spanish, and B. filling his boxes with mud will be funny. Both misconceptions were corrected in an unkind manner with a hammer to the wall. The other trades bought me lunch that day as a thank you.
As a drywall finisher, I love electricians ⚡ because I get paid to fix the holes they cut to run wires. 😀👍
@@Dave-nm3xc I’m an electrician and the main issues I have with drywallers are
* Don’t burry my wires(fixture whips).
* Don’t slop mud in my boxes.
* Don’t rotozip my wires.
* Don’t run a screws through my cables.
As long as you don’t do any of these we’re good.
Don’t forget painters who paint over outlets.
The Electrician was shocked by the shit the Plumber left for the HAVAC guy who was blown away by it all. 😂
😂💪🏼
Ha!
That was good 😂
Lmao
The carpenter saw what was going on, said "Fckit, I'm gonna go to the bar and get hammered."
Man , I try telling them this all the time. To people who say they've been in the business for decades. They all want you to work on top of each other. It really drags a job out ,more than speed it up.
whats silly is EVERY other industry has been using... FOR FUKKN YEARS.. project management software, who and when, and.. DEconfliction software so the hvac tinfoil isnt in the SAME exact spot as EMT and turd pipes.
I'm in construction now, and generals are ALWAYS shoving deep foundation and foundation/walls into space. Not only doese it cause resentment and arguments, but it is VERY unsafe. Imagine being 45' in a hole while cranes are lifting wall forms and other equipment overhead, an auger cast crew is installing piers, and a footing crew is digging 4' deep trenches. This hole was only about 1/3 of a block. Injuries and near misses, constantly. Just let the damn deep foundation crew get done, then get about half or more of footings, then start walls etc. Good golly! It's not rocket science (although engineers sure act like it is, lol).
Good planning order of operations and just thinking about the next guy. Every job goes better
I don't think anyone wants to work on top of other trades.
I think another reason these rivalries exist it’s because Electricians, Plumbers, and HVAC techs all do similar work yet they don’t understand each others work. You should totally do a video where you and Rodger Wakefield trade places for the day.
Yes! I want this! Job swap!
Electricians are the easiest to get even with if they get nasty: Just wait til they're working on a live circuit, leap over and stomp the ground behind them and yell "BOOGGIITY BOOGGITY"!!! Watch their feet leave the ground. I did that once as a young carpenter...
ONCE.
No... I do HVAC I don't deal with feces!!!
@@crforfreedom7407 I cannot count how many times my co workers do this but working on a dead circuit
@@crforfreedom7407 I cannot count how many times my co workers do this but working on a dead circuit
The way it works where I live is that the plumbers do come first, then we come do the HVAC, and the electricians come last. I've only seen the electricians a few times and it's crazy. Usually in HVAC it's 2 or 3 guys max at a house but the electricians come in with like 10 guys. There throwing up all those traffic cones with wire around them just moving like crazy. Awesome to watch and there usually pretty friendly. Sorry for the pookie and to anyone why might not know it's not a glue to make connections but a sealant. We use it so air running through the ducts doesn't leak out of ever hole or connecting piece of ductwork. Also the reason it looks so sporadic is we try to make the heat runs as short as possible coming off the the trunk line or base can for efficiency of the system.
I did HVAC for a few years, and yes. Space is a problem. Both people/equipment AND installation. There is only so much space in a wall or ceiling, especially in remodels.
The main problem is attitude. Too many tradespeople have a huge chip on their shoulders, and that causes the biggest impact on productivity and morale.
FACTS!
The "PEOPLE" on the jobsite is key; how patient they are, the ability to coordinate among themselves, get along in general. Last job I did working for someone else was a 68,000sqft assisted living facility. We started the job end of October. It was a slab so we let the plumbers do their thing and move what they had to after the walls were mostly set and in the dry so they could work easy, THEN we started the other trades.
NOBODY complained about the HVAC guys that job! By Jan-Feb the electricians were holding their tool pouches and wiping their butts all for a little heat in the place. THAT factor; a cold winter helped collaboration in an amazing way on that job! LOL!!!
space is a huge issue and plumbers and electricians filled it all the time and made it worse. plumbers never bothered me as much on overhead unless it was highrise. working around their dirt mounds and ditches sucked but i managed. electrians were irrating because by code they all took priority especially when it came to a ceiling
My problem is after I communicate with the plumbers and HVAC guys, they go ahead and do something different. What's the point in communicating if they don't pay attention?
I ask them where they are going to to run their stuff so that I can stay out of the way. I come back and it's different.
It's the same thing with tile guys. I ask them to please cut out the holes at the top and bottom of boxes. They go on about being in the trade for decades... I come back days later and they didn't do it...
Ya'll fussing about other professionals... 😂 what about the brick masons & roofers.. the one's who blare that carnival/goat rodeo music 😂😂😂 & the one's leaving urine bottles & beer bottles everywhere
The ladder issue is bad on commercial/industrial jobs. NEVER loan yours out and always keep them locked up. If you leave the area fora break or lunch, and especially at the end of the day, secure your ladder. If you don't, other trades WILL take them and they generally will not return them. Its not their ladder, so who cares? They'll just leave it where ever they finished with it. Even members of your own trade will take our ladder if there aren't enough to go around. If you are an apprentice and a journeyman takes your ladder, good luck getting it back. You may need to find something else to do until the next day. Very frustrating.
Rockers… or mud slingers… THEY are the worst…
It is also a "law" that you can be sued if some idiot uses your ladder and gets hurt. So you are supposed to chain up your ladders and not lend them out.
Had serious problems during yearly 3 week shutdown that the electric shop needed at least two genie lifts & a sizzles lift for entire shutdown due to running g a ton if conduit. We were working 12 hour days so started at 4 AM. when we went to break around 7 AM outside contractor took our lifts and starting working off them. Contractor said one of the ahole project dopes Saud they could use the lifts. Told up them sure maybe next month.
Also effective is just flooding the project with ladders, on a commercial job the equipment cost might go up $3k but that is quickly regained in efficiency and goodwill.
Oh definitely, you leave 2 minutes to get something from your truck and then when you come back, your ladder is already gone 😅
90% of these problems are solved when the contractors communicate. It's on the GC for not having an all trades meeting to try to avoid some of this. Also, it helps if you do things to try to fix your mistakes or own up to it if you can't fix it. There's a give and take. If you work with them, they tend to work with you, but if you destroy their stuff with malice, you will find something from your install destroyed with malice.
Because HVAC and Plumbers always put their crap in the way of our pipe.... And this is why we ALL hate engineers
From what I’ve seen, there’s a general feeling among plumbers that electricians are soft, and that plumbing is real man’s work.
Then the drywall people come in and cover up your outlet and switch boxes and forget to cut them out 🙄. What a nightmare trying to figure out where to cut without cutting a bunch of holes in the new drywall
Seriously, drywallers are my absolute most annoying fellow worker.
Or the flooring guys come in and cover the register holes
As an electrician I'm 100% with you. One house I did they covered up almost every box in the house and we spent hours trying to find it all
Hvac guy here but they fuck up our linesets alot. One job was a 7 story apartment complex. They kinked every lineset on floor 2. I told the super i gotta look for other kinks behind drywall, then tore out the walls with a hammer. Never had a kinked line after that. Moral of the story dont be nice or they wont learn.
one job i was working at, the drywallers covered up the panel
Doing all three trades during my construction work history, I prioritize them in the following order when I'm doing all three (and I'm sure others will disagree) and that's their right to have an opinion too...
Sanitary plumbing gets first priority - it's got some size to it and it's gotta slope downhill, everything else doesn't. Then HVAC, because duct sizing takes up so much space and there's only so many places they can go (and with code changes requiring ducting within the conditioned envelope decreases a lot of choices available in the past). Next is electrical fixtures and devices, panels, etc. for a similar reason; they gotta go where they gotta go. Lastly, domestic water and wiring because either can go uphill or downhill and are relatively "small" in size.
In reality, most problems I've seen are due to poor communication between the trades. Others, go ahead and blast away...
You have the right order.
Someones been around for awhile 👍
@@MacMilly707 old enough, I have been retired for five years now.
i do commercial data and a little a/v and we're last for a good reason, it doesn't matter the slightest bit if we have to pull a bundle of cat6 a few inches upward to get around a conduit or a pipe or a duct, or 4 feet to the left to get around an air handler. it's all flexible, we don't have to put it in conduit, there's no gravity requirements or performance loss for doing curves, and it won't hurt anything if we've gotta move a wireless access point a ceiling tile over cause a vent, fire sprinkler, light, or occupancy sensor has to go there.
That's the right order. The worst is when you're being rushed and forced to start electrical at the same time. It's better to wait then do everything at once. Dumb contractors and GCs don't get this.
Having a full set of plans is a might. I am a plumber and we take a look at the framing, electrical, HVAC plan before starting. If you can read plans then you can look at electrical plan and tell where a light or switch goes.
I’m a plumber too. My company almost never gives me a full set of plans. I always read through the GCs set of prints if my set are missing any pages. The lighting plan, the hvac plan, the sprinkler plan, and ceiling heights are a must if your running work through tight spaces
I was a helper just starting out working on a rough end and my electrician used one of the plumbers holes to run his wire through and left for lunch or something. The plumber was soo pissed off at me lol….he was right to but after he repeated himself for the fifth time I had to tell him “look I’m not gonna sit here and be your punching bag.” Lesson in the end, get ready to eat some shit for things that aren’t your fault when your just starting out.
I start early next month. I am humble, and willing to learn, but I am no one's bitch. Chew me out, fine. But I am not going to get berated over the same shit all day long.
Sometimes bosses will do that for two reasons, they are frustrated because they didn't think of explaining to you your duties, but also to give you a powerful memory of what not to do in the future. It may have been much worse in another scenario. So they want you on your toes. It is a good thing, really. You need to acknowledge what he is saying, so he believes it will not happen again. If you quietly sulk and act like you are a victim or worse that you are right. He knows it will happen again. If you say you are right, I am sorry I didn't know that was my duty. He has nothing left to say. Never make it a battle.
Battle for space is right. Not so much HVAC and Electrical as much as plumbing and electrical.
Finally an issue with proper trade scheduling is that everything is under estimated and people don’t show due to prior work running over. So many times the reason trades are bunched together is to make a doomed effort to keep the whole job somewhat near cost and time.
On my current site, the GC fucked up the schedule for a 200+ suites multi-residential. Badly. Like he scheduled the rough in phase to be done in August of 2022. We STARTED our suite rough in back in October 2022.
Did the schedule change? Hell no. So now we got all the trades in one spot at all times.
@@Mr.Sparks.173 Schedules probably weren't going to change either, as the contractors probably turned down scads of jobs for these crews to keep them free at this time. So it was "Work or don't eat". The one unifying grace for the trades is their mutual hate for the GC keeps them turning on each other as often as they otherwise would!
@@Mr.Sparks.173you in Denver?
@@jesus_is_a_champion not even in the states. I'm from Edmonton.
"get their furnace up in an attic, or little things like that" probably one of the worst aspects about installing hvac. definitely not a little thing, I understand that it isn't as time consuming, but man is it exhausting lifting and installing a 300 lb furnace into a 100+ degree attic. respect to all tradesmen id say we've all have our days where it feels like we work harder than everyone else. just gotta give people as much space as you can and stay adaptive to the game plan
I’m a plumbing and heating guy and without the electricians half of my stuff doesn’t work 😂😂. I may give you sparkle farts some crap but I do like you guys! The only bad thing is generally plumbing goes where plumbing goes as far as sewer line. But the one thing that every trade is guilty of that absolutely pisses me off is having a cluttered job site. The one builder we work for gives each trade dedicated spots for material and it has to be tidy and it is amazing.
Also the “pookie” is mastic it’s to air seal the duct. And it is like anti seize you can’t look at it without being covered in it. So on behalf of all hvac guys I apologize we don’t like it but it is code 😂😂
I really enjoy your videos, but I especially enjoyed this one as it was funny and right to the point in most aspects. Thank you for all you do for us all. It is nice when you can relate to what is being produced for others to know if they are to know or share with those that do or may as well.
One thing I will say- being a residential contractor and having done kitchens and bathrooms my whole career- I thoroughly enjoy the mad dance that is construction! I don’t really want to stop doing the physical work of it- but my joy is in getting all of it to work. What you said in this video shows how important it is to have a GC or manager on the job that can orchestrate the symphony and more
Importantly the personalities of a project!
Also I agree- smaller higher end jobs with multiple fields are so different because we ALL play a part in that final product and we want ALL of it to look and feel amazing!
This video is so hilarious and on point! Since last Feb 2022 I have literally cut out and changed the lighting layout for this customer’s custom home remodel four times already! We’re talking roughly 66 trim-less Nora lights, that get a mud ring, once they are drywalled in it is a b*tch to get them back out. They keep going through different designers and everybody has their own opinion. Regardless I’m happy to keep redoing my work however they want it each time with a smile!
Lol, that's job security right there!
As long as they keep paying for the changes, who is complaining? Hahahaha..... keep up the good work!
As an hvac installer, we also have to run the 7/8 and 3/8 copper for the refrigerant (no one calls it freon anymore). The "pooky stuff" as you call it is duct sealant - it that prevents air or moisture leaks. Brand new condensers already come with refrigerant in them.
Freon is a brand name for r22. Pureon is 410a. Refrigerant is the universal term for all of it
@@Straight_White_Fatherly_Figure beat me to it lol
And the plumbers will look at your welds and say "that's a hack job" and the electricians will look at your wiring and say "that's a hack job" . And then, in retaliation, you can say "those are hack jobs".. ;-)
Pooky, Duct sealant. I call it duct banger feces.
There’s also gas piping too. Sheet metal is a bitch and a half.
I am not doing my job well if I do not know the other trade's job. I suggest doing some work on weekends with an HVAC guy and a plumber and being an apprentice to them. You will gain respect for the other trades, and you will know what you are doing in the future. When you wire in the unit, let them be an apprentice to you. You will be red as you realize why they needed to do things the way they did. You will also pick up tricks you can bring back to the electrical industry. HVAC people often protect our panels with on-delay relays that would dim lights if multiple units serving one area started at once. If you service HVAC equipment, you will quickly see why they try to place the unit in the middle of the attic; it is for future service. Electricians often take the plumber's or HVAC guy's ladder, and then the HVAC or plumber uses their ladder. And they will smear the ladder with the paintable duct seal not to be confused with the electrician's duct seal which they tend to forget to use on the weather head to keep bees and bugs from getting in around the wires. Plumbers tend to be very good electricians believe it or not. When the electricians are whining, the plumber just walks over and says why not just run it like this, and sure enough, he has the superior method. Because he has been figuring out day-in and day-out ways to get around obstacles while maintaining pipe pitch. Electricians' wiring is often arbitrarily run in a spot evident to all others to be a high-value avenue for duct or piping. But it was easier for the electrical to run it that way, haha.
I agree electricians should go last on roughing. They can get around obstacles because the wire is more flexible than duct or line sets and certainly better than piping. Electricians should pass a course on Archimedes and water seeking its own level before they can drill a hole for a wire. I have seen electricians tell a plumber he can just run the pipe over the wire as the plumber's hand unpleasantly grasps his pipe wrench in a threatening way.
Exactly
Working in building maintenance I've also found that every trade person will criticize the person that did the work before them even if it's good work. Its almost like they want everyone to think they are the best and anyone else just doesn't know what there doing.
So true so so true
Tell me about it. Look at any work on UA-cam and the comments are always " I would never get you to do my house"
Depending on specifics, in building maintenance, theres so much cheapest bidder, wrong and low quality stuff that gets done its often justified complaints.
Facts!
Exactly the way I would expect the electrician to sum up the scenario. 😂. "Electricians do all the hard, time consuming and complicated work ... "
Here's a hammer, go bang on things....
@@smartcookie3500 Here's a wire, try not to break a nail or get your carharrts dirty princess
@@coldtendies7918 I remember one time when the electricians realized they forgot some tool to use to drive in two ground rods. It was winter, ground was pretty hard, inspection was scheduled and they were already behind. My boss (the GC) and I told them they could use the rotary hammer we had there and they were flabbergasted as to what to do with it. Boss and I ended up doing it ourselves where one of use would hold the rod with our hands a couple inches from the top while the other would hit it with the hammer. Taking turns, it took us about 10 minutes to do two ground rods, all while the electricians just kind of stood there in awe, like what we were doing was absolutely crazy.
I am sensing some pent up rage.
"Hey honey, how was work?"
"Some HVAC guy got pookie on my ladder and a plumber got pipe dope all over my impact!"
*stares*
This video is gold... As a Low-Voltage Structured wiring guy in Commercial and Residential I try to come in right with the Electrical, hopefully before the HVAC and Fire Sprinkler guys (those guys take up all walkable space in the attics and make it very difficult to navigate.) All the cable I run is always neatly clipped out of the way and thoughtfully run, even if the homerun is a little longer; hate cobb-webs whether is be from a spider or a tradesman.
Electricians used to go up and down to hit receptacles in residential as they should. Today it’s just a hole in every beam at the height they can get the most leverage on the paddle bit.
Low voltage fire alarm, cat5 cat6 networking and coax for cameras is getting out of hand. It looks like a giant spider on crack just spun a web. That can only be rivaled by MC cable and HCF cable strung in commercial drop ceilings. Decades ago I was doing HVAC in a restaurant and an electrician had a 250 foot coil balanced over drop ceiling supports. It was a 12/3 home run to the panel and live but I didn’t know that yet. When I went to move the coil the loose live end fell on my back. It was about 90 degrees in the restaurant and I was soaking wet. On a ladder I started this strange dance while getting shocked. After about 30 seconds of being unable to make it stop, I found a clear area on the floor and landed on all fours. I held a grudge for a while against electricians, haha.
Sorry to hear that.
I haven't been an electrician for long (only about a year) but so far I haven't had many problems with other trades. The thing I find kinda cool is talking to other tradespeople and realizing that they have a similar depth of knowledge in their field as I do in mine; sure I know all about crazy electrical stuff like reactance and power factor, but I don't know shit about flow rates and inches of mercury like plumbers do.
Also, in my area (Alberta, Canada) we call HVAC people "tin-bashers". Honestly my biggest beef with them is they're hella noisy when they start cutting ducts, but really I can live with that :)
You won't have that many issues for the most part. For the most part all the trades work together well. It is pretty cool to see what other trades do that you have no idea how to do. It's cool to poke fun at each other. You shouldn't run into too many issues with other trades. You said you're an electrician apprentice? You're gonna have WAY more drama and butting heads with other electricians as it is. Don't even worry about other trades
Plumbers have it rough. They have to deal with codes for gas-pipe that are truly mind-boggling, especially with no more threading over a two-inch pipe, all-welded now. For years it was all threaded, and there was never a leak. Now everything has to be welded.
@@jones0618 I've already seen some of it in my own company between the journeymen, in a way I just find it hilarious watching 2 grown men quibble over whether an EMT strap should face up or down and other petty squabbles🤣
Yeah, “tin bashers” was what they usually got on the jobsites I was on too. I thought we were all pretty civilized there in Edmonton. Never saw any blood on the slab, at least.
Straps should face up. That way if it gets pulled on, even the loose screw will hold it up!
Roger seems like the most respectful plumber to have on a job. That dude is awesome.
As a Low voltage/Network guy. I need to keep CAT6 away from Romex (EMF), and come back an see the Electrician used my hole for 10/3,
I’m not a professional at any one of these, but I know skilled tradesmen mess with each other ALL the time doing little things here and there that drive the others crazy.
Man I’m a little offended as an hvac tech/installer, saying we don’t do much 😂. It’s a hard knock life for us. Whenever someone is complaining about a work task everybody says give them to the electricians.
I have more issues with drywall guys. They always cover the outlet boxes
😂 YES! We just had to fix a couple of covered outlet boxes today lol.
I'm with you on that. Drywallers are the worst
I do lots of mixed use buildings, we have a meeting with all the trades and discuss the real estate . Plumbing and sprinklers gets the middle , sparky is on the bottom , and all low voltage get the top, we paint our holes almost every job goes smooth but it’s nice when you get along with other trades and even break bread once in a while.
To be a bit fair that purple PVC primer shit gets all over everything. Pipes floors jeans fingers. Even spills with the lid on.
We used abs and pex to get around having to use that awful crap.
I always wondered how some houses have such perfect light layouts! It seems like it so essential to coordinate with the framers, but it doesn’t happen as often as it should.
All nice houses have well-thought-out and placed mechanical rooms.
There is a lot of code that we plumbers have to deal with. It isn't always as simple as run A to B.
As an apprentice Electrician cut a line set for a walk-in freezer at a gas station build out I was at .The journeyman HVACR installer took a torch to the underside of the ridged with wires pulled feeding the pumps just before it got buried and paved over . Yep , it is things like that that helped keep in service as an HVACR tech for 31+ years .I just get to deal with the installers ,electricians and plumbers mess ups .Like running #6 aluminum to a rtu internal disconnect rated copper only ( NEC violation ) .Took a few years but yep, it melted it .
As a trim carpenter...almost every job requires a switch box to be moved(post sheetrock) so that my door casings can clear not only the box, but an oversized switch plate cover. Especially multi-gangs. Keep us in mind boys.
I worked for a GC for a while and part of what we did was build custom homes. Because his business was small (him, myself, and from time to time one to two other carpenters/helpers) he was on site and building about 95% of the time and we would do pretty much all of the carpentry work (framing, flooring, trim, cabinets, etc) excluding roofing and drywall. Typically after we passed the framing inspection, I would go through the house with a copy of the plans and prep it for the other trades. This included putting in blocks next to the doors for the gang boxes, blocking for where the thermostat would go, making sure all the blocking I'd put in for shelving, towel bars, etc wasn't in the way of where the plumbers needed to go. I'd even use drop/extra materials to frame and put down subflooring so that the HVAC guys could have a big work platform in the attic for when they installed the air handler and shit.
Never had an issue with having to move a gang box and/or switch plate after the drywall was on. In your case, isn't it more on whoever framed the house rather than the electricians and other trades?
I kind of have a feeling that my several years of experience as a carpenter is a bit different than most. Every house that I've framed, I've also done the trim so I guess technically I'm a farmer and a trim carpenter (and a painter, and whatever else?) But I am pretty confident that you could do the trim for four houses before I finished one (assuming we're both doing quality work and coping all that can and should be coped and that split jamb doors are not being used... I had a bitch of a time with split jambs several months ago and never want to touch one again).
I love the other trades when they act professionally and work cooperatively to get the job done. I dislike them when they do dumb stuff that impacts my work.
Duct connections are of four major types, TDC (Transverse Duct Connector System) is usually for commercial applications but can be found in expensive homes with large AC systems. An automated machine using rollers creates a flanged connection at the sheet metal shop. It gets bolted together in the field and has a very gooey type of duct seal that comes on a roll that goes between the flanges. Duct-Mate is a field-created or field-installed flange system that is a flanged type of duct system that will connect to factory-created TDC ductwork or to Duct Mate. Then you have the more common slip-and-drive systems, where the two slips (flattened Z-members) align opposite sides of the duct as the ducts are slipped together into the Z members. Then a drive is pushed and often hammered onto the remaining two sides of the duct, riding along a U-shaped bend bent into the ductwork at the sheet metal shop by a specialized automated ear-bender or in the field with a pair of flat jaw metal bending pliers or specialized ear bending tool. This often has to be well thought out, as you cannot always get the drives installed because of where the duct is. So the duct guy has to know ahead of time where the duct is going and which sides are accessible to install the drive on. Then there is a slip-slip connection where you use all slips to make the connection and then put sheet metal screws through the slip and both pieces of ductwork to fasten them together.
The paintable duct seal is often used in the sheet metal shop to seal the exposed fiberglass ends of the fiberglass duct liner. In the field, if you cut a lined duct, you should coat the ends of the fiberglass insulation with the duct seal to keep the fiberglass from fraying and entering the living space or use external insulation or internal RUB (Armor Flex Sheet). In homes, duct seal is used to coat joints where a flanged duct is connected to filter cabinets or equipment cabinets. All joints are smeared on high-end estate jobs, and it does a good job. Depending on the application, there is a reinforced duct seal and a regular duct seal.
Then you have dampers, which can be either manual or electronic, spring return or power open power close. In commercial work and some estates, you can have volume dampers that automatically open or close partially to fit the requirements of the space. Some are controlled by pneumatic pressure. There are humidifiers and dehumidifiers. Both require condensate drains, and humidifiers require domestic water to operate. Systems with dampers can require bypass dampers to allow pressure to bypass back through the system where a room that needs to be temperature controlled is too small for the volume of air the unit outputs. There are two significant flavors the biometric damper and the electronically controlled damper. The biometric damper opens when a certain pressure measured in inches of the water column is developed in the supply duct. It allows the air to bypass the supply and reenter the return of the HVAC system, reducing supply air pressure. The electronic bypass damper is controlled by a zone damper control board. This is not even getting into the refrigerant aspect or the high-pressure nitrogen purge, pressure check, and subsequent evacuation of the piping and evaporator coil to very low micron levels. Before the evacuation process begins, the vacuum pump that does this job has to have its oil replaced. Or it can be done while the pump is running, with some of the more sophisticated vacuum pumps that allow oil change on the fly. On specific lengths, extra long runs of the lineset, especially when the condenser is below the evaporator in elevation, it must be determined if a liquid line check valve and/or suction line accumulator is needed to be installed to prevent slugging the compressor during spring and fall. And or solenoids to prevent refrigerant migration back to the compressor.
The plumber usually has both HVAC and the electrician when it comes to codes for their own stuff. That is why you cannot get a plumber today; their job is insane.
But having installed a new service and done all the wiring in the house, with the new surge and GFCI breakers following the NEC code to the letter, I found it somewhat disturbing. Mainly from a lack of materials to meet the new code. I tend to use HCF cable as it shields the inhabitants from EMF. I prefer steel armor. You can hit the steel HCF cable with a hammer, and it just indents the wood it is against; great stuff pulls better than NM cable. As you mention some of these new "smart home" features that will probably be equated to getting a giant tattoo on your forehead are difficult to calculate.
All the trades are equally burdened with complexity created by nonstandard equipment and supplies.
I'm an hvac guy in Western Europe but I only do Commercial and Industrial .
I think the main issue comes from lack of coordination and collaboration.
The Engineer makes plans on his own tryna make things " energy efficient " and look pretty without any consideration for anything else and then he turns to electricians , plumbers and hvac guys and goes : there , make it work now , peasants !
And then each tradesmen try to do their thing each on their own and we all stump all over each other .
Then once sh*t don't work we're all left to play the blame game and throw the hot potato back at each other ...
Brother what kind of work do we have in HVAC in Europe? I'm an HVAC engineer and tech in NYC but I'm from Europe so I wanna move back and work there. I just don't know what the field is like in EU
@@TheSlaVikElite What type of equipment do you work on ? For the most part , over here residential is pretty much install, but in heavy commercial and industrial , or even VRF multi split heat pumps there are lots of work mate .
@@sterlingarcher46 that's nice to hear because we pretty much work on the same stuff. Heat pumps are just now starting to become popular here. I specialize on commercial and industrial chillers like the trane centravac centrifugal chiller, and ACME reciprocating chillers. But it's all similar so once you know one system youbasically know all of them
@@TheSlaVikElite Well if you work on that type of equipment I'm pretty confident you can find work rather easily with the big guys ( Trane , Carrier etc ) and in a lot of places they'll probably look up to ya cause you're coming from the States innit 👍
@@sterlingarcher46 appreciate the info man. Good luck out there!
Day one as an apprentice my task was to find the best spot for material before the plumbers did lmao
One story I guess worth sharing though. I was running conduit up a stairwell for this one foreman. All the rmc and larger size emt was wearing my back out. But the plumbers had a pully system setup so they could hoist pipe instead of carrying it up the stairs like I had to. So I asked if they could let me use the hoist once for a load and they said that isn't our problem our my problem it's his problem. Popped my back in three places trying to keep materials moving on that job. From what I can remember and don't think anyone on that job got along with that foreman.
It’s all about the space needed for ducts, wire and pipe. As an HVASear plumbers frequently run pipes right down the middle of a space between floor joists or electricians will traverse across the center of space. You can’t squeeze a duct in half and expect it to work. Mostly guys work with you but sometimes there just isn’t enough real estate for ductwork, and plumbing. Electrical seems easier to route around but they are usually there 1st. Also HVAC isn’t supposed to start until building is dried in.
I was always taught that plumbing came first in regards to in wall/ceiling stuff. This only applies to DwV stuff. That’s drain waste and vent and the reason it comes first is because it has to be graded meaning it works through gravity. You can’t just go up and over something. Water lines, wire, and duct work can go around stuff relatively easy. If the gc did this then the plumber wouldn’t have to cut wires out of the way. Also the reason they put all their fittings on the floor is because it’s easier to lay things out when you can see it all together. I prefer to put them all on the floor in one spot and organize them. It seems like he’s using things that have happened to him personally and projecting that out to all mechanical. Do you honestly think electricians have never done things to fuck over plumbers. I’ve had more issues with HVAC. I’ve had them just cut drain lines to run a duct and not tell anyone. It then costs me a half a day to reroute it because like I said earlier, it works by gravity so I can’t just go up and over or down and back up. As for ladders, the only time I don’t ask permission is if I don’t have to move the ladder and I only need it for a short time. Personally it seems like electricians are the worst about ladders because they always have a dozen ladders on the job, some just assume every ladder is theirs. I’ve had to track mine down and the men get told to wait because they were almost done. From my experience most mechanical contractors get along. It usually seems like it’s mechanical vs everyone else. I have more issues with concrete guys than I do mechanical.
Plumbers are bound by the laws of gravity for drains, so they have to put some things at specific elevations and need a clear shot, straight line of sight to where the pipe is going. Some large centrifuge building sewer and roof drain pump's output cannot meander around a building and require a short straight run to where they need to go. The HVAC guys are good at finding another way around for their ducts. Unless the evil electrician was there haha.
@@WilliamMcCormickJr yep, electricians will have to believe me when I say that drains would be so much easier if we could defy the laws of physics and run pipe where ever we please but alas we can’t
Honestly we all always got along and helped each other when we could. Everyone was awesome.
All true😆🤣 Don't let drywallers and tile guys off the hook. Burying our stuff. Nothing better than a 1/2" thick slab of granite covering all the screw holes of all your outlet boxes when its time to set finish😡🤣 Love you guys too!
Tile guys are prima donnas, or at least that’s what we experienced.
Today, we had to fix the drywaller’s mistake of putting drywall over a couple of our single gang boxes.
Excellent! You perfectly explain why electrical work should be done after finishing plumbing and HVAC.
Doesn't solve everything, like what he said, the can layout can interfere with where HVAC wants a duct, and plumbers like to run vents right where a vanity light will go. Trades need to read each others' prints.
Then the plumber can tell the home owner why the vanity light can't go up. 😆
hvac first then plumbing then electrical it's a size thing its hard to reroute a trunk line for 1 wire or the main drain line big things rather than small first. plus like in commercial space the duct can be run tight to the deck and give you all the room under not let's block it with conduit so no one else can put anything else up there
When I was doing houses,(many years ago!) all the trades communicated with each others! Then when I was doing commercial projects, still I communicated with all the trades! for the most part we all got along! Our goal was to get the job done so we all could get paid!! Then I got into Industrial electrician, (Maintenance also which i did all trades!) When I was working for a larger electrical contractor, we used a process called BIM! now that has been 10years, i really don't remember what that stands for but I remember what it did, all the trades would get a copy of the project and this program would do a 3D layer, plumbing, electrical, Sprinkler system, HVAC so you knew how things would fit in the ceilings. You would get a drawing, install it that way. For the most part, it worked well!! (hospital addition) Nice video!
Building Information Modeling - locating everything within a three dimensional model to ensure everything fits and does not interfere before construction.
@@nmccw3245 thanks!! I just knew things worked well, or at seem too on that project.
Talking to the HVAC guy that I had install my furnace and AC. He said the labor cost is about the same as the cost of the materials. My furnace and AC was $4000 for the units and I paid $7800 for the complete install. (Canadian dollars before prices went nuts)
That was summer of 2021.. he said that same job now would be 10-11 grand
It is getting crazy. The piping and parts on top of a boiler can be half the price of the boiler or more. Low water cutout, circulators, zone valves, checks, expansion tank, and regulator add up. Today most guys do not pressurize the expansion tanks and they go in weeks or months. And if you do things right and install unions, drains, and ball valves where they should be, the cost of the extras can bring you well over half the price of the boiler. I have been using 50-foot rolls of annealed L-copper and bending the pipe to avoid fittings. Which actually saves time and money, believe it or not. And it looks much nicer too. Great for jogging over a little for shower-bodies too.
I wish you could post pictures in the comments section!! Everybody would be laughing hysterically of some of the stuff people do😆
Like it or not when you build a home or building, structural support comes first. HVAC would be next due to duct sizes, then Plumber again due to Drain, Sewer and Vent pipe sizes, last would be electricians as you can run cabling just about anywhere.
Right! You can move, bend, tuck small wire anywhere all day. How are you supposed to move rigid duct, or PVC that can be ft wide lol this guy
As a plumber, I just LOVE when the electricians just drape the wires crossed all over the place in attics or in crawlspaces. It's great trying to crawl through or around messy wiring jobs.
And yes, I'm talking about EVERY electrician. 😂 I'M JOKING
Why hvac take up rooms is because we have to service it. When you make the equipment really snug there is almost no way to fix it when it inevitably breaks.
I know of a GC that remodels apartment complexes. The GC is also the electrical contractor on site. I've never seen the other trades so well behaved around the electrical work in my career. Haha.
You know, I've never paid much attention to how long electricians were there. All I know is that after I spend three days digging trenches for pipe, in a hundred and five down to negative 5 degrees, the electricians come in, lay their conduit in my trenches, and leave. So, uh...yeah that might be why the animosity in my company. Not really fair, we all picked our trades, but I'd guess that's a factor.
I wish Washington state would treat HVACR as serious as electrical and plumbing I mean anyone can become an HVACR contractor in basically a couple days it’s total crap 👎🏼
You touched on something key - communication before anything being ran
I know this video is all about new construction. But, let me assure you that the animosity spreads into the maintenance side as well. I have been a staff maintenance electrician at a hospital and now a school district. The trades will never get along🤷♂️
As an HVAC guy. We do do that lol.
The co-dependency runs deep
As a plumber I can say the thing that causes the only real problem between myself and other trades is where drain or vent piping conflicts with the tin knocker or sparkys uninformed shortcut wire, duct or other nosense location. We have to go downhill and can only spend pitch once. Other trades can move down and back up again to get where they need to go. Much love brother! One day yall will learn to anticipate where we need to run pipe or tell the builder to let us go first.
Temp power first, plumbing second , HVAC , followed by electrical then hope like hell the Sheet Rockers don't bury our stuff before we go in for finishing.. I do have
Hey Dustin! Here again from Wisconsin, would love to see a new playlist made that is organized on what you would suggest to learn in order, road mapped curriculum of your videos!
Thanks brother, 2nd year IBEW apprentice.
1 ) First step framing complete done
2) hvac Contractor installing big ducts work
3) plumber installing drains and water line
4) electricians working alone making party
And everything move smooth after framing, hvac plumbing electricity pass rough-in inspection I know what's I talking about bcz after 20 years on field i learn how everything can be done with drama or excuses
Man I am a commercial electrician and I F-en hate rebar guys.. they don't care about crap other than their own. I have seen those guys break our tubing, kick our boxes out that are already nailed in. Then not say anything! We are always having to fix things before they pour the concrete. Freakin hate the rebar guys!!
An enjoyable worksite starts with having enginneers draw good and clear plans. After that, you need a good coordination from the general contractor to schedule each trades.
Sadly, in 20+ years as an electrician, i can count on my fingers, the number of well organised jobsites...
And it seems to get worst each year.
Good luck to all future workers.
As an hvac guy, this is great! When in doubt pookie it out!! lol much love for all the trades.
Question for someone more informed than me: So on my GFCI receptacle that always trips for no reason the top outlet give me the following readings on my multimeter:
hot to neutral - 120v. Hot to ground - 120v.
Neutral to ground -0v.
On the bottom outlet I get the following readings.
Hot to neutral - 120v.
Hot to ground - 16v.
Neutral to ground -0v.
Any idea what’s up with the hot to ground on the bottom outlet on the receptacle? Could this be the reason it trips all the time or can it likely just be old and faulty? There is nothing on the load side of the outlet. Just a single receptacle in a bathroom.
Yes, your receptacle may be faulty I would also check for resistance in the circuit to the contact points near the terminals. If all fails, contact an electrician that could diagnose further. Meanwhile tape off and avoid usage.
I've been a Journeyman Electrician for over 55 years and I was taught way back in the 4 year State of IL VoCational Electrical Apprenticeship Trade School that graduated from in 1968 to always CLEAN as You Go and I always have ! Every job site in over 55 years in the trade ! I NEVER left any kind of a mess for the customer / homeowner to clean up !~ NEVER !!!!
Good man! Electricians in my area were the worst about cleaning up. 😂
something i noticed in the houses on my street is the placement of electrical outlets and switches. Ive been in 3 of the same model house, and the placement of the outlets, switches, and hvac is different in all 3. I'll bet this is due to the workers being in each other's way. some houses have less vents, and some have outlets and switches that are moved from where they are in the other house. There is probably a pvc drain pipe right next to those moved things lmao.
This is why the trades go in based on size. Hvac first then plumbing, then electrical. Whomever GC is scheduling out of that order is the problem.
I don’t know where you build but it’s always plumbing first then Electric and then HVAC….smh
@@Casmige SE PA. Project managers base it around ease and expense of re-routing in the event of an issue or change order. HVAC>plumbing>electric. Its much easier to route plumbing and electrical around duct work than it is ductwork around electrical or plumbing...
Only exception to this I could think of would be high velocity ductwork hvac systems...
@@Casmige HVAC before where I live, smoke detectors minimum of 12' from supply 2 feet from return, violated many inspections due to late HVAC
@@beachboardfan9544 you can’t really make plumbing work around a duct when your doing a sewer line that needs gravity to work. Ducts can blow air up but you can’t make turds go up a pipe with gravity.
I took a part-time job as a handyman's helper to pick up some extra cash, and potentially learn a few things. Ultimately the only thing I learned is how not to be. Off the job he was a nice guy, and even gave me some materials, and tools. On the job he loved to bark orders, and yell like an impatient 4 yr old. He'd tell me to get something from his truck, and lose his shit while repeating his orders 3, or 4 times in rapid succession, before I had time to even process. He'd get louder, and louder until he was yelling at me. It got to the point where I started giving it back to him in an effort to show him what it's like, but it ended up failing. I ended up quitting, and he then tried to gaslight me saying he wouldn't have to yell if I'd just listen.
I'm a firm believer in manners, and respect. There's always time to ASK someone to do something rather than bark orders at them. There's always time for words like please, and thank you. I don't expect someone to grovel, or anything, but c'mon, man. Saying, "Hey, will you go get my 4 ft level out of the truck please? Thank you" goes a lot farther than, "Go get my level out of the truck...GO GET MY LEVEL OUT OF THE TRUCK!" People like that can go screw themselves. There's no reason to be a jerk on the job, time crunch, or not.
The funny thing about all of this is I've learned a ton more from professionals on UA-cam than I did from him.
As a hvac tech, we have to do all three, plus landscaper, carpenter, sells man, guidance counselor, therapist. But hvac companies haven’t caught up on pay real well some companies pay decent but most hvac guys do side work to make more money, you get out of residential then there is more money
You aren't kidding. Especially down here in sw fl with the lonely elderly. They sure enjoy laying their problems on you lol
I swear. You go there for a service call and the hit you with the “im on a fixed income” 💀
@@kobie4238 why I don’t run my own shit. I hate when people do this, and they do it to people who have no control over billing more than they would the owner/bidder. When you get treated like you are your own subcontractor and are suddenly going to cut the rates down to zero and work for free? What is wrong with people these days….
Basically all comes down to communication and consideration - walk over to one of the guys (or make a call to their guy) and discuss the issue -- saves a lot of grief and makes friends instead of enemies.
I work on construction sites in Aus, its usually any licensed trade (elec,mech,plumbers) who have distain for unlicensed trades i.e plasterers as they are the ones who sheet all trades out without any coordination, we usually try to work in with one another and help each other out but never with plastering, thats always a disaster
When plasterers were union, there was no problem with them. They came in one day, and there was sheetrock and one or two coats of spackle. God help the other trades that said they were done. Haha. Today it is a bit crazy. Contractors think that getting some rock up is essential or signifies that he is in control and moving along at a good pace. Or maybe it will get him to the next scheduled payment, haha. That is where the guys in the field need to kick it back up to the bosses and tell them outright to stop. Sure, you can get kicked off the job; lord knows I have been fired by the best and then called back when my wisdom was later realized.
I don't know that they all hate each other but my brother is a carpenter by trade and now a general contractor. I've worked with him quite a few times over the years and one thing I've found is that the electricians tend to be slobs. Their work is generally the least physically demanding and the cleanest but when they leave a jobsite they leave a mess never cleaning up after themselves. I can't say this is true for all electricians but it's the one thing I came to notice. I mentioned it to my brother and he concurred with this generalization.
I'm impressed with the lot of you guys/gals. Its hard work
I'm about to start my apprenticeship, so please explain to me if this won't work... but for the issue of drywallers covering outlets, why not place temporary outlet covers which require drywallers to consider them and make holes during their work? Then once the drywall is finished, the covers come off
I'm a licensed sparky and registered mechanical plumber down here in aussie land. I do all the jobs you described and i have to say that sparks are the worst on our job sites.
Also you can't crap on another mans job if you haven't worked it yourself
I have sympathy for plumbers because, for the drain lines at least, they're big in diameter and they are very restricted in how they are run and still meet code. Drain lines MUST slope 1/4" per foot as they work via gravity to get the right flow velocity. I'm kinda amazed at how they are able to do this in a lot of circumstances.. Some of them view sparkies as prima donnas that have it easy running their little NM cables through small holes (residential electricians in Chicago need more respect, though 😉). HVAC guys run big stuff too but their placement is less critical than drain lines. Ideally the GC would have the electricians install the temp service and then not show up until the drain lines and major ducts are installed.
Emt is a bitch and when your ocd it’s even worse trying to get perfect bends that will be exposed. We can’t use romex inside. Everything needs to be emt or armored cable. This apples to more then just Chicago, I think it’s across the whole state but I know for sure it’s Chicago and surrounding county’s.
When I was young and working as a painter we were priming the walls upstairs at a beachfront mansion in Florida, the boss sent me downstairs to the van for something and told me to hurry as I ran down the stairs and across the foyer I was half way to the front door when I realized that every step was a little squishy and the old man that was setting the marble tiles came after me and was so upset, I felt so bad and it was quiting time and his helper told me weeks later they had to stay till after midnight and retile the hole area. Honestly I felt terrible. Cheers from Jacksonville Florida 🌞
Good stuff. I started out in residential electrical and switched to commercial low voltage (fire, security, cctv, access, controls) when work was light. Always wanted to switch back but years later I’m still here. I think all the different trades show love by hating one another. If I get on a site and someone is being super nice, especially if he’s from another trade, I start wondering what I’m in for. 🤣 HVAC/Chillers get that goop all over everything.
What plumber would throw fittings all over?? I clean up ALL my mess. I don't leave wire stripping or wood chips or drywall chunks or anything. It looks like I was never there🤷♂️
I'm a journeyman hvac tech and i get thrown at everybody's fuck ups everyday i have an entire photo log of hilariously bad things i've come across
We’re in NE Illinois. Conduit required for residential electrical. No flexible tubing for water. HVAC we run mostly ridged ductwork. Most of the construction we talk to each other.
HVAC&R people have to know quite a bit about all of the other trades
So it’s not just Chicago? How big of a geographic area requires conduit for residential?
@@kc9scott the surrounding county’s also follow similar code. I live 25-30min away from Chicago and we have the same code. I think it’s at least the top right corner of Illinois if not the whole state as the same code.
@@kc9scott sorry my error NE Illinois aka Chicago metro
As a Plumbing Contractor for 30 years my preference goes like this.
After the framers are gone,
HVAC guy goes first, next
The electrician hangs his boxes and can lights etc, next
The Plumber runs his vents, gas lines and waterlines and sets any tubs, valves, etc, and pressurizes all lines so that any damage caused by the other trades will be remedied before Sheetrock! Next
The electrician returns and completes his wiring, etc
To do this any other way creates tension between the trades! Builders that use this process are a pleasure to work for and the project seems to build itself!
I am retired now. My biggest gripe about any/all subs is failure to clean up their own mess. I know the GC can make it a demand, but that should not be necessary. If you have pride in your work, clean up your garbage. Yes, there are some out there that do clean up, but in my experience most do not if they can get away with it. I began as day labor, in 1972, mostly cleaning up all the crap the trades dump on the ground or floor, which even at that point, 16y.o., I thought how do they get away with that slop.
I have actually been yelled at before on large job sites by GCs for cleaning up my own messes saying that I am taking away the jobs of the laborers, and slowing myself down. I guess everyone has their own ways of running things.? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@btw111 WOW ! That GC must not have been around very long. Or just plain stupid. For me keeping the mess out of the way makes the work easier and faster.
I never knew residential construction was so on the fly without the most detailed blue-printed out computer plans, designs, and calculations, unlike commercial. Different types of tradesmen working together sounds more like a concert mosh pit than an orchestra.
From my experience in mostly residential remodels no matter how detailed the plans get they miss and mess up a fair bit of mechanical stuff that has to get planned and run on the fly and coordinated.
it's a competition, which trade can do the most damage to the framing.
Hvacr guy here. We don't hate each other. Its just part of the trades. The armed forces are similar. Navy vs Army vs Marines......we all give shit to each other, but if someone messes with one of our brothers, the branch no longer matters. A Marine for example, would go to the mat for a solder if they were in duress, and vice versa.
When I worked i the trade, we seldom had issues with the plumbers or HVAC, our problem was with the drywall guys who would destroy our metal device boxes when the installed drywall and then we had to go searching sometimes for a missing can light or outlet box. Needless to say their punch out guys had to fix any holes we made in our search after we trimmed out a house..
"I don't want to say that we do more than those other trades, but... Let me explain to you why other trades suck!" - Love, Dustin
We can all agree it’s the engineers and architects fault!
Dustin, what is the best way to find an electrical company that cares about training? Cold calling and asking? Is there a best way to sift through the ones where I live?
What? We got more friction with the drywallers around here. There always messing up the bathrooms
The one thing you should learn on a jobsite is never to mess with the electricians because they'll be there from start to finish
don't forget about the thieves. some one walked off with my tools
I came in to the job and ran my conduit and boxes across the face of a wooden beam and the very next day the hvac came in and ran a massive duct right in front of all my conduit and boxes which I had to redo all of the work I had already done the next day. Not a happy camper. At another time my plans called for a 20 three phase breakerAmp 480duct heater and the hvac crew put in a 40 Amp duct heater which means I had to go buy a 40 Amp three phase 480 breaker and change the conduit run and wire. Not a happy camper. Had the same problem with plumber installing larger tank less water heaters than the plans I had.
I have been doing HVAC/sheet metal mechanic for over 33 years and all for the same company.we mainly do high end custom homes.we still do full custom metal duct systems hand made in the shop.for the most part where I live and work all trades get along and respect one another.its a few companies that causes problems.
We do more then you said.have to do rough in and customers can be very picky where we put out registers and return grill.then we have to deal with the home designer on placement.measure and make the ductwork and install.we run all the gas lines,kitchen hood ducts,bath room fans,the line sets to outdoor units,zone wiring ERV systems and dryer ducts.little more involved then you said.
We should all respect each other on the job site and not mess with others tools or work that has been done.