I’m only 6 mins in but I disagree with fives not feeling. We do, probably long before anyone else does but we go up in our heads to be rational so that we can function in the world. It’s disconnecting from a surge of emotions. We observe... non verbal communication, tone, behavior, patterns and even sense moods. It’s very overwhelming and draining.
It’s so true what a radical change there is in a 5 sort of person who has truly been transformed by Jesus! I am a 5, and a Myers-Briggs INTJ. Before I really gave my life to Christ, by default I didn’t like being around people, I wanted to be completely left alone to study and research, and not only did I not know how to converse with and persuade people from an emotional and empathetic “heart“ standpoint, but I had no desire to. All I cared about was logic. And actually, it was logic and rationale that convinced me of the truth of Christianity! I studied all of the evidence and read all the books and was convinced. But I was still only arguing and debating people on the validity of eyewitness testimonies and archaeological finds and cosmological arguments. Those are important, but I was never reaching out for people’s hearts. And I had no interest in being actively involved in the social side of my church. Ick. When I finally actually gave my whole heart and mind to Jesus, he gave me the *desire* to empathize with people as human beings, and to get excited about spending time with my family in my church! His joy overflows out of me so much that I seem bubbly and extroverted! When I tell people I’m actually an INTJ, a 5, an **introvert,** they are always shocked! I no longer look or act like a stereotypical INTJ/5, because he transformed me to care about his *people,* not just the facts. Now I have the power of research and logic, AND the power of empathy and emotional communication. He is doing wonderful things through me now. ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Hopefully 1 day I can go through this journey. But it's such a struggle for me cause I love being by my self getting lost in a video game. & he did say we 5's have to watch out for video games. & that's where my issue is. Ever since I was a kid. I always had my own room & own video game consoles in that room. Literally only time my parents would call me out of my room when it was dinner time. Now I'm 29 & find it awkward & weird to go visit my own family regularly cause I never even did it when I was younger. I didn't just go out there & sit on the couch & watch a movie with them. Naw I'd prefer to be in my room playing my game. I even remember always trying to eat my food faster. Just so I can get back to the game. Now they want me to come visit & I make up any excuse why I can not. It's horrible. & I haven't even gotten to serving at the church. Cause I really dislike being around people. Especially crowds of people. I have literally 0 desire. But I do know deep down that this is the right step for me to take. Is by getting into small group & trying to serve & get out there more. But man taking that 1st step & staying committed is what I am struggling with now. But I did start going into the actual Sunday services at the campus every single Sunday but I have only been going for about 2 months. But immediately when service is over. I'm like the 1st one out the door. All bad I know. Man I got a long way to go. & a lot to work on.
I'm a 5 and I found this very enlightening. As a follower of Jesus, I've fought with my head on many occasions. Sometimes I have to put my analytical brain in the passenger seat and let experience speak for itself. Jesus is the ultimate truth, findings are secondary in every aspect. Thank you for the video :)
@@redefinedliving5974 - As a 5w6, I share your opinion. Nevertheless, there is no value to gain in disrespecting someone else's opinion. Abby has every right to believe, just as we have every right to question.
@@V62926685 "Jesus is the ultimate truth" I value truth over peace and harmony. She has every right to believe what she wants but i have every right to dispel inaccurate beliefs. :) You sure you aren't a 9?
@@redefinedliving5974 Firstly, to answer your question: yes, I am completely certain I am an INTP 5w6. Secondly, and back to the point, you are correct that while she has every right to believe what she wants, you also have every right to "dispel inaccurate beliefs". I would never argue against that point, as I most certainly share the belief. For the record, I'd like to also add that no disrespect toward you was meant in any way. I suppose what I was trying to say is that you should perhaps consider doing it in a more objective, less targeting and more considerate way to improve your odds of success, as I've never once in my life witnessed the phrase "boo" sway anybody to the speaker's point of view.
@@V62926685 I was feeling lazy and didn't expect this super damaging belief in an enneagram video. And if you have experience with Christians yourself, there's nothing will convince them otherwise. Not that I want to convince them of anything, I just don't want to perpetuate false beliefs like this because it strengthens toxicity and narcissistic systems and establishments in the world. Maybe some are truly good meaning but they are complicits in a way.
It is NOT that 5's are not 'Heart' elt. It IS that ALL their sensory inputs (the 5 senses + mind+ Spiritual) are too sensative... This causes over stimulation and often 'meltdown'. A 5 can be observing/studying an ant hill/nature... and burst out in tears. How can she explain why?... All she can say is 'The Beauty'.. The 'perfection' once 'recognised' annot be, put into words...❤🙌
I agree. No one can really “get” a 5 except another 5 and 5’s are not generally inclined to make public presentations about 5ness. This guy is among the most clueless.
Exactly... When my feelings are extremely "active" I don't feel the most competent and that is frightening. In order to make good choices you need the ability to think clearly to form a proper assessment of next steps. As I get older the wall between my feelings and my facts is less resilient and it's exhausting. It feels like I literally can't think if there are feelings intruding all over my logic. To feel like you need to filter decisions, your rebuttals and all unalignment through a lense to be sure it's based on facts and not how the wind blew that day. I'm soo over It. Fixit Jesus 😂. I'm only partially kidding 🙏🏾
I can not believe how this has helped me as a five. I now understand why I am the way I am. I can’t stand to be the center of attention, it hurts on my end. When I’m so over come with emotions, which I hate. I always have to research or learn something to distract my mind from my emotions.
5w6, safe to say that while I am not greedy, I am antisocial. It’s hard to understand emotions and the hardest question to answer for me is “how are you feeling”. I tend to feel pretty alone, even among others. While I have been called a jack of all trades, I have also been called an introvert & zombie. I think the hardest thing I deal with is existentialism. I have a hard time finding “the one” thing I’m passionate about, because there are so many. Finding love is even worse because letting someone see the real me is one of my greatest fears. Funny how writing this behind a keyboard is easier than saying it my family and friends... God please enter my life and guide me so that I may better myself, the lives around me, and leave this world a little better than how I found it.
So true! I'm a 4w5 and I am completely repelled by the idea of involving myself on a permanent basis with groups of people( be they big or small groups) and yet I know I'm missing out. I love the prayer at the end...something about being able to involve ourselves in the chaos of relationship ( perfectly worded, btw, since that's how we tend to see relationships...ie: as unneccessary chaos ). Life definitely doesn't need to be as hard as we tend to make it,does it?
I won’t lie I think one of the scariest moments I’ve had was during high school when I had just found out my father had a daughter with another woman that wasn’t my mother I had stood up for him and rationalized his bad behavior so many times growing up as he had been cheating on my mom since I was 5 but never had a child with any of them. When I found out this time was different I felt embarrassed and broken and I burst into tears, I felt how everything was falling apart but all it too was one glance at my mother and I realized I couldn’t break , that just wasn’t an option I had. Took a deep breath and when I exhaled I felt nothing. Nothing at all… That panicking, brokenness and utter despair was forced deep into my heart and I couldn’t feel anything. No pain, just emptiness and while I was numb I was able to help and support my mother but when it came time to heal myself it was nearl impossible to do The only one who could was Jesus❤️ Even so feeling such a strong and raw emotion of broken-heartedness suddenly vanish was scary because I knew it wasn’t right, it was dangerous but at that moment it was the only thing I could do to protect myself
Hi friend, that is a challenging and difficult season to go through at a formative age like high school. You are loved here at Sandals Church, and you're right! Only Jesus can heal us from the pain that cuts this deep. If you'd like to talk to one of our staff members, can you email us at social@sandalschurch.com? We'd love to be able to care for and support you the best we can. We also have a sermon series from this year titled "The Healer," where Pastor Matt talks about how Jesus brings healing into our lives. We're praying for you today, friend!
Thank you Brother, in christ for providing me a way to explain myself to my family. They have been quite concerned about how I have acted and think I'm holding back my emotions.
I have listened to quite a few type 5 videos in the past week (several by pastors). I was surprised and discouraged by so many negative comments. I appreciate the grace and hope.
I’m a 5w4 so my head and heart are constantly fighting each other. I feel everything. However at the same time I shut down and don’t want to feel anything at all. 😩
@@HighFiveFriend Exactly!! We feel deeply! It is a common misunderstanding, a lie actually, that 5's don't "feel" and emote. Sure, what is being seen on the surface - it might seems so in many 5's but not internally.
I am an Enneagram 5 married to a 2. It's been awesome for 42 years. (Yes Douglas Adam , 42 is the answer to everything, at least for now. 🙂) The fly in your ointment for me is that I am an atheist. (No casting of stones please.) But even so I enjoyed the Enneagram stuff. It was great. Thanks for sharing. I have a 4 wing as well, and I think that helped to make me a far better teacher for the decade I taught. The 5 can sometimes be disconnected from the class and just plow forward but that 4 wing gave me a insight to the ones who didn't get it. It was just enough of the heart side of the equation to keep the head section running at high efficiency for that application. A side note, my wife was given a microphone by an illusionist on our cruise who had wandered down at the start of his routine to "interface." He asked her a question and he almost had to use magic to forcibly remove the mike. When she gets a mike and an audience, Katy bar the door. He mumbled to her, "Would you like to do the show?" As a 5, I do know how they do most of their tricks, and after 42 years of marriage, I also know enough to keep it to myself and let my wife enjoy the show. :-)
I should add one more thing about asking me questions. My wife warns all of her friends first thing, to not ask me anything, unless they want a very complete answer. I may breakout the charts and graphs. :-) When we first met back in 1974, she asked me how an evaporative cooler worked. I gave her a complete rundown, and sketched in the working parts and explained them all. However, I noticed she wasn't following me closely enough to understand. So, I a gave her a written test. It has been nearly 44 years and she has never forgiven me for that test. She tells all her friends about it, to warn them how seriously I take my knowledge when I share it with others. I am very thankful that she has a heart of gold and loves me completely. I don't know why she loves me but she is my goddess (metaphorically speaking of course) and I worship the ground she walks on. In my opinion, I landed the best 2 on the planet.
INTJ Island this is great! Thank you for sharing! One thing I have found! 5’s are very interesting to be around! But you truly are wise as a 5 to know when to share your vast knowledge and when to let those around you live in the mystery of life.
I can't wait to make my future husband watch this video. I haven't met him yet...lol..but when I do he's going to watch this video till the end (especially the end).
Yes!! Hope you are well. I'm a 5w4 married to a 5w6 for 23 years. Great to be happily married to someone who 'gets' you. (Especially us female 5's!). Praying harmony over your relationships today :).
Jesus led me to Himself in my academic curiosity.. i read book after book trying to disprove Him and yet i found the opposite. I stayed after classes to debate my philosophy professors but I found my atheistic views lacking. History has always been my obsession even as a young kid and it amazed me that I could not disprove the historicity of the bible. He revealed Himself to me first through logic and knowledge. I am thankful for that. Decades later, my heart is ever wandering away from Him but I can never convince myself intellectually that He is not who He says He is. Logically, it does not make sense to deny His claims. Thank You Jesus. Please lead me back to You.
5.18 we are VERY aware of that, AND we feel MORE than MOST people do for that matter. Yes I am a 5w4, so the 4 comes into it, but 5's are THE type that falls in love with, is in awe of BEAUTY and "perfection", and true perfection is found in ALL THINGS when one is conscious/aware/mindful. But indeed, it is typical that 5's don't show as much emotions typically compared to some other types, and might not share them with just about anyone, and we don't know how to "process them" consciously. Our emotional.. world if so to say is deep and beautiful beyond most people's comprehension
My result was 4 with a strong 5 and wow. I need to trust the process and let God do what he does and I feel I could be one of his greatest missionaries! Father God I pray you help me to set my ego and my pride aside so that I am able to preach your word and live like your son Jesus and Lord God I know that I am a sinner and I pray you have mercy on me as I welcome you back into my heart, in Jesus name, amen
37:57 "Not every song and not every sermon needs to be dissected." Me, a type 5 INSTANTLY : "2 Corinthians 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
As an Enneagram 5, I am now finding that faith and belief in Jesus and God is a choice that is made without evidence. I thought for a long long time: How can I believe something if there's no empirical evidence. I am a huge skeptic and I would say for the past 25 years 99% atheistic. But recently my mind has been changing. Something is changing in my mind that I can't explain. I have read the bible and the New Testament particularly many times. Along with other religious texts. But never "believed". I've seen Passion of the Christ. The Ten Commandments is one of my favorite movies. But still, the belief just wasn't there. Then I had a phone call with my non-religious mother a couple weeks ago and she told me about The Chosen. I binge watched the first two seasons. Why this one program got me thinking vs. all the literature and movies I've seen touched me I have no idea. But it got me to (against my skeptic mind) I started praying. I talked to my mother the other say and found out that she prayed that there would be a was for Jesus to touch her family's heart. My niece came to her the next day and reluctantly told my mother that she wanted to become Christian. She mentioned her prayer to me after I told her how the show touched me and my heart and mind are changing. Do I have doubts? Absolutely. But I choose to have faith now. I choose to belief. I don't know where it came from. But it's there. To add to this. I think the Sandles Church youtube channel is a great evangelical channel.
Gran Lobo -- I'm so glad you commented. I get so happy when God reveals himself to people in such a personal way and so awesome that your family is experiencing this at the same time! You've reminded me of the interaction between the risen Jesus and one of his disciples Thomas (John 20:24-29). Thomas was trying to rationalize and understand what he thought was impossible -- that it was actually Jesus, who Thomas knew was crucified and died days earlier. It's an amazing picture how Jesus greets him with peace, then let's him actually touch the holes in his body, but it's what he says at the end that makes me so happy for you... Jesus says to Thomas: "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me." This means that YOU ARE BLESSED! because you've believed without seeing. Hebrews 11:1 describes Faith as "the reality (or assurance) of what we hoped for, the proof of what is not seen." It's the bridge between what we know and experiencing the reality of God. I pray God continues to make Himself known to you and your family as you trust and put your faith, hope and love in Jesus. Sandals offers a couple things I thought I'd share if you want to go deeper. There are bible plans and reflection questions in sandals church app move.sc/app. Or try a community group to unpack what God is doing with other people -- move.sc/groups Or if you want to chat first, you can reach me at online@sandalschurch.com. God bless my friend.
I have loved this ennegram series enriched with bible knowledge and emotions. If possible have someone translate or subtitle so we can share in Spanish to more people.
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Thank you for this. I can't describe how incredibly beautiful this series is, and the way you tied Nicodemus into it brought me to tears. There's something so special about the way you tie in those who're Biblical figures into this. It makes you connect with it and the entirety of that love story that is the Bible, in a completely and utterly different, and miraculous way. Pastor Brown's way of doing this is delightful; so grateful the Lord directed me to Sandals Church's channel. If you haven't (I have to catch up on your other videos), I hope you eventually go into things like tritypes, wings, subtypes and MBTI typing. Not necessarily the minutia of it all, but the general points, as they really helped me with nuance differences between enneagram types like the fact that, indeed, as was said, we 5s don't hate people, we just, especially if introverted MBTI types, genuinely become zapped of energy on both a physical and emotional level, and we're like a phone with 1% battery. If you only charge us for 5 mins and take us off the charger, we can only function for so long before we're exhausted again. Once we're good on energy, some of us are more open to sharing with others because of our subtypes, as well (sexual subtype 5w6 here, so I'm more talkative/emotional and resemble Type 4 more than other 5s). ...Can relate with your friend about sitting in your new car, btw... dunno about you, but I like sitting it in just to bask in the smell it, lol! Being an empath and a 5 senses-sensitive INFJ, sometimes scents and sounds are really the best part of our experiences. A good time can equate to spending hours singing to the Lord while standing outside and staring at the stars on a cold night, because the temperature's right and the sight is beautiful, etc.
Thank you! I needed to here this and God knew it. I'm an INTP and type 5 awake at 2:17am, finishing this video (after much note taking so I can dissect) who is struggling with small groups because I always go "too deep"! 🤦🏻♀️🙏🙌
@@rosep8481 mine appreciate them too and they are very encouraging for more. "Wow I didn't think of it like that!" is fairly common for me to hear. But it just feels so awkward. Because while ya it's cool to blow people's minds...I'd just really like to engage in a conversation with similar people. I feel so rare. Which isn't bad, just lonely... honestly. It also feels awkward because I rarely let anyone in. So when I do and I talk too much, it's weird for all of us. Suddenly the quiet one speaks but she doesn't shut up. That's what it feels like to me about me. IDK, it's such a struggle to relate to people and not be weird.
Can I add my name to list of INTJ 5w4s who thought this was absolutely excellent? The bit about the disunity between the head and heart is something I struggle with an awful lot.
I'm a pretty solid 5 but I don't have problems volunteering with the church - but I struggle with incompetence or just 'wasting time' things LOL - I want it to be purposeful even if easy like stuffing bulletins -but a social event chit-chatting is harder for me. I also don't dismiss emotions totally I just don't see displaying them beneficial - nothing changes about the situation.... I often find myself wanting to say 'just gete to the point' I want to know how it ends then I can sit and listen to the long drawn out version. but I"ve also been led in prayer and reading scripture to do things that have helped with giving - tithing, setting aside time for vounteering and I think that's helped me a lot
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
I would disagree that intellectuals don't know anything about God. They can think deeply about God, and have more insights than people who merely feel without thinking.
PoptheBubble ChartLeaks he didn’t say that, what he means n is saying is that *some* observers *could* know all about the bible academically n intellectually but misses the heart of having a real relationship with God
@@Garnishes I understand what he said. Having a heart above head experience isn't having a relationship with God. Implying that faith or relationship with the supernatural is somehow superior to thought, or implying that people who think deeply but who don't believe are somehow less than is never okay. It's false. It's culty. It's inappropriate. It damages families. Thanks for being a know-it-all. Please go read something.
PoptheBubble ChartLeaks ok so maybe u read his comment as such but i understood it as having a relationship with God is not complete without both with the head and heart. I understood him as saying that it’s not complete with just one - whether it’s just heart without head or head without heart. it has to be both. i don’t think the speaker meant that the heart is more superior to the head.
Wow this was so amazing, it is my second time watching it through, and I love it even more. The details of the 5 are so dead on! I feel like my mind was read. Absolutely love this. God Bless
"Similarly, when we read the description of our own personality type from one of these tests, it often feels spot on, as if the people who created the test know us very well. This is due in part to how we process self-relevant information." www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right Do some research on the Forer Effect. End pseudoscience.
I think I'm a 459 or 549. When my husband is away I go camping by myself. Lol yes, you can watch my video on how many languages I've studied but most people in real life don't know. I don't struggle with small groups (my husband and I lead one, which makes it a lot easier bc I can stay in PJs and it feels really homey) but women's Bible studies are the most difficult for me.
As a 5 I love facilitating classes and teaching groups. As a 5 I strongly abhor classes/groups when I feel others including the facilitator/leader know so much less than I do. There goes the piousness: competent vs incompetent!
5w4 and yes good sermon. I lovd the connections all together. But of course. I'm a 5. I can connect all the dots. Lol this is awesome though. Getting closer to healthy 5. Takes a lot of work. Thank you for the message. Thankfully I have the 4w to help me out with the heart. But its always a battle with he head and heart. Other than god its seems less painful to use the head and when I've 4d it up too much pain usually follows. I find more balance with having 5w4. Brains and heart.
Sarah UpsideDown I’m a 5w4 too and think I’m a pretty even split on head-heart. This video definitely hyper-caricaturized the 5 and of course humanity is not that simple, but he got his point across and I appreciate the biblical connections.
@@kelseypelham4682exactly. I totally get what you mean. I'm also adhd and on the spectrum so a mixture is going on there to lol but I think all of it together working as one helps me be a better human being. Having acceptance of how god made me and what I can learn from god himself through scripture to not just be soo much head and not keep stone walls up either.
Freaking brilliant - one of the best of the literally thousands of youtube videos I have watched. I have seen a few others that were great by Pastor Brown, but this one combined so much knowledge, insight HUMOR and wisdom, mind blown - thank you for your contribution to human understanding and healing and most of all coming to a closer relationship with our Lord.
Just a reminder from the encyclopedia of social sciences: ‘Typologies serve two basic functions: they codify and they allow prediction. They are appealing because they offer simplistic pigeonholing and an assumed peek into the unknown. Hence they are a form of divination and fortune telling. They can be as entertaining as any parlor game, but the real tragedy of such schemes is that life-and-death advice is being given to people. A “Temperament Counselor” who advises on a lifetime career, marriage or spiritual development is likely to influence people’s lives for good or ill. Moreover, the victims often believe that they are really gaining knowledge about others and often rely upon the scheme to explain and excuse questionable behavior in others and themselves, instead of growing and changing by assuming responsibility. Unfortunately, from the scientific point of view, nothing is explained if the state we have attributed to the person from his behaviour, is then invoked as the cause of the behaviour from which it was inferred. Circular explanations like this give the appearance of a genuine explanation that offers genuine knowledge. But it is only illusory.’ God has not redeemed divination. Even Revelation talks about people not repenting of their "sorcery" which I do believe divination would fall under.
5w4 here. Could the core sin be different for a core 5 wing 4? The "wing 4" means there is a part of me that is very in tune with my emotions. Expressions of emotions and empathy are a part of me. I do require extra time to rejuvenate in energy, however, giving myself to a generous amount of time in service is not an issue for me. This is the ninth year I've served in full time pastoral ministry. So, I am intrigued by the idea the "wing 4" could significantly nuance the core sin of a 5.
29:17 You know why I don't share my knowledge? Because sometimes people consider me as a know-it-all when I do that. Like you are so excited to share what you've learned but they got jealous of you, thinking that you are showing off. So now I don't share, I just stare and think, oh I know the answer but I'm not gonna tell you cuz you're not asking me so you won't be thankful anyway, why bother? I don't care if my so-called friends make mistakes any more. If they think they are better than me, fine, go ahead, I'll just be laughing when you fall.
You CAN think your way into Heaven. Ponder and observe the work of God in your life, or even the natural world. Or on the finite nature of the mind, in contrast with An open mind leads to many amazing places. God speaks through many voices. Consider some Buddhist writings for insight into detachment and intellectual thought. And the preacher is right, be wary of spiritual guides. Especially if they tell you theirs is the only way. I assure you, you will have the hardest time of all seeing the Kingdom if you cannot see God's grace in all paths.
For me it would be the greatest to let a whole fantasy world arise through my thoughts. a book a story that keeps my head alive when I die. This desire arises because of my fixation as a type 5 but as I want to dissolve more and more of it, to be more free, wouldnt be smart to separate from this selfish desire and to seek goals that help me more not always just wanting to be alone?
@marshall parker Not to burst your bubble, but researching a little more might be helpful, because I am of the understanding that your wing must be one of the numbers right next to your number, so 5w4 or 5w6 :)
@@sydm8344 It's arbitrary, science shows the "wings" do not correlate in any logical way. From a book written by a guy named Patrick Vermeren: "The HPEI data also reveals that the idea of “wings” of the adjacent types is untenable. Adjacent types show small intercorrelations (1 shows a +0.14 intercorrelation to 2 and -0.12 to 9 for example). To make things worse, the opposite types are not correlated negatively, but positively: for example, type 1 and 6 show correlations of +0.44 (French) and +0.47 (Dutch). In their comparison to a 5FM test, they fail to notice that adjacent styles don’t show a continuous dimension. For example, if style 1 scores high on conscientiousness, the adjacent styles should somehow show at least medium correlations too. But this is not the case: for example, style 1 shows a correlation with conscientiousness of +0.58, whereas adjacent style 9 has a correlation of -0.07 and adjacent style 2 of 0.00. Except for extraversion (at least with three styles), this problem occurs for all 5FM personality traits and the enneagram styles." I'm a psychology layman, but do have a math degree. The numbers are bad for supporting Enneagram validity. Patrick concludes thus: "Why do people believe the enneagram can offer them valuable insights? Maybe people feel naturally attracted to the mystic, the occult, esoteric, sorcery, and gossip. The mere exposure effect may explain a lot as well since the enneagram has found itself a niche in the credulous world of HR. Having been subjected to the enneagram, some people might start thinking it is a valid model for explaining personality. After all, most people trust other people claiming to be professionals. And then, of course, there is the Forer effect as I described in Part I. Recognizing yourself in the test result, or in a horoscope description, can be a very powerful experience. Especially for the credulous."
Good stuff, but 4 isn't the opposite of a type 5 - a type 2 is the actual opposite of the type 5. Richard Rohr talks about this in his lecture on the Observer (also on UA-cam).
It is unconstitutional for American representatives and senators to hold any other civil office in the U.S. They have to resign their current office to campaign or stand for election for any other office. This principle is reinforced by the Twentieth Amendment. Article One Section 6. Information from a grateful Enneagram #5
5's: Stop making yourself miserable by following this kind of advice, which you've heard all of your life from almost everybody, including enneagram authors. You are here to be brilliant, for your own satisfaction. Don't waste your talent and time on people who don't matter. They don't like you because you are not useful to THEM.
Who writes the questions for the enneagram tests? How many different tests are there? How are the tests graded and interpreted? How does your enneagram identity help you to love others and God? Just some questions to think about.
A typical 5 here. Yes, I'm very much in my head. I may be biased but we Christians misinterpret the word spirit in scripture. The spirit in ancient thought was the ability to reason. It was akin to the logos. When we interpret the N.T. we tend to use other Bible verses. Read some of the Greek literature of the time and see how the word spirit is used. If you do you will stop using it as a synonym for Heart.
I have good news for you: the types do not exist. www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity_17.html Quote: according to the Enneagram, my sin as a 5 is avarice (hoarding); however, of all the sins listed for the 9 types, this is probably the one I struggle the least! Ironically, the sin I probably struggle with most is associated with 7s (although the sins of 1s and 2s are about equal), which is the direction I am supposed to move when I am "healthy." This psychologist in the link is telling you the entire system is arbitrary, poorly put together. It doesn't know anything about you, don't sweat it.
You have so much to offer in this world! Jeremiah 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. Do not be deceived! You are not any of those numbers. Do you know the origin of the enneagram? God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Claudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Hi Five! As a 5w4 female I feel this (no pun intended.... we actually do feel lol). The stereotypes you see here on UA-cam don't define us. Just shows that we are misunderstood. 5's are awesome, and you have been given unique gifts and talents that you can lean into, rather than push away from. Sending love your way.
5s are amazing people who bring deep knowledge and very rational and impartial insights. 5s can help detach a little bit to extravagant things. 5s have a lot to bring,it's a lie to believe you have nothing to bring 😊🙏🏿
8.57. And this is a metaphor by Jesus. Born again as/like a child. Meaning = What you were, before "you"(ego/personality/conditioning) became. The kingdom of God too, is a metaphor for the natural state of Being of a human BEING. Before we are corrupted by "adults" and sensory input and our subconscious mind's and identity is formed, which is the "false self". The real/God self is before the person, before "the thinker and doer and this and that or the other role we play". Self inquiry my friend, would do you very well.
I would assume it’s being used at church in the hopes that people understand different personalities and have a little more grace and understanding. Do you want to say something to someone the way you want to say it or do you want him to hear what you have to say? Sometimes those are not the same because you have to change the way you say things, depending on the personality of who you’re talking to. It’s sort of like sales. If I’m selling to a Director I talked technical if I’m talking to a CFO I talk money if I’m talking to a CEO I talk vision.
@@Papasquatch73 do your homework. This has no place in a church. It’s pseudoscience at best and has roots in the occult. The Bible is all we need being taught at church.
They did a study on the messages that the brain sends to the heart.. and somehow discovered that the heart sends more messages to the brain, than it receives.. by a bunch. They didn’t know why, nor did any of the researchers dare speculate the reasons for this I myself thought right from the possible reason.. the observer is within the heart, and the reason throughout history things were always heartfelt.. or in your heart of hearts you knew Infant the strongest feelings of what is right, or wrong.. let alone the falling in love.. are all from your heart, and seems to always shape your thoughts, long before the what some say is rational thinking, that you may think is in your brain..? Any chance of this being the observer? It makes you think
I need everyone's help... I'm a two and really looking to care for/show love/appreciate a friend that's a five. In your own experiences and mind how can I do that, where they will feel loved the most and help our friendship to flourish?
Hey I’m a 5w4 and I think it’s really sweet that you want to do this for your friend! Speaking from my own experience as a five- One thing I find works for me is when people ask me what I’m thinking instead of what I’m feeling is so much better. I also really appreciate when my 2 friend encourages me and my ideas. Hope that helps!
@@talyawalde8555 Thank you so much for this! I really just want to make them feel loved and be able to trust me, because they don't understand how much I love them and I needed an effective way to show it to them!
It's been a while and I guess I should update: Ever since a 5 day trip where we werent in contact, he started to distance himself from a few people including me. He was happy and joyful with others, but left me wondering what I did wrong every night for 2 weeks. It was a really bad few weeks for my head and every time I saw them I was almost brought to a panic attack. I had decided enough was enough and I went to calmly confront them (I realize he is an extremely nonconfrontational person) about it with their favorite snack and everything, but as I tried to talk, they put their head down and only responded with groans and silence, it was so painful for me, it was like being rejected from someone you truly love. After this, I decided it wasn't worth it to take the mental abuse from myself and it took a week to finally get them out of my head. Now flash forward a week to now, I'm distancing myself and decided to think of him as an acquaintance, but for some reason he has started talking to me normal again after completely ignoring my existence for a month. So I'm really confused and it's pulling my heart apart. As you know, I am a 2, so it's hardly his fault, mostly mine for overthinking everything and almost obsessing over it, but now that I am in a much healthier place, what do you think is going on?
@@quizeyx9515 Have you asked him what he's been up to? Maybe he's just been really busy and feels like he's being stretched in too many directions. I doubt it's uncommon for 5s to distance themselves from people from time to time when they are feeling really overtaxed (that's certainly my natural tendency). A large part of that is that most (if not all) 5s are introverts, and they need time and space alone to recharge. I can't speak for your friend, but I'm guessing that that's what has been going on with him. It's not that he doesn't like you anymore (as evidenced by the fact that you said he's gone back to talking to you normally), it's just that he temporarily needed some space. You began by originally asking what you can do to help him and show your love/appreciation to him. Giving him the space he needs, when he needs it, is the greatest gift you can give him. Instead of fretting over him distancing himself from you and other people (which is what 5s naturally do when they feel stressed), simply make yourself available. You don't want to wait for him (your life doesn't revolve around him), but just make it known that you're there for him and that you care.
@@sabrinaclift1180 Thank you for this! Now I agree with everything you said except that he was completely normal with most people he hangs around, looking back, it really was just me (the only person in his social life that's always available and emotionally supportive), Also thank you for looking out for me, because for a month, all of my thoughts, actions, and entire life did revolve around him. I know he can be overwhelmed, so that's why I kept most of it to a minimum so I didn't freak him out as far as I know. A lot of the time for me, it's all or nothing with people I care about, and from what I've seen so far, when I dont try to give is when we get along normally. I almost feel like it brings us farther apart when I do give him everything's he asks for and more. I really hope he does appreciate what I do deep inside, but I think I'm growing as a person in how I deal with myself. This whole comment is just me overthinking and ranting!😂
Yes. George Gurdjieff was big into occult practices, Oscar Ichazo and Claudio Naranjo experimented with psychedelic drugs and channeled "higher authorities" to put together the personality types (which I believe the Gurdjieff Foundation itself has stated the Enneagram had nothing to do with personality ell oh ell), and then they lied about it having "ancient" origins based on a quote by Oscar Wilde who said "if you want your idea to become famous, attribute it to someone famous". So yes, slamming ecstasy and talking to your "spirit guide" is occultic by nature. It also produces nonsense like "this type prefers to spend their energy and time on things that interest them". WOW, what a DEEP insight that is, thanks integrative9.com. I'll leave it to the experts to figure out which type I pulled that one from (it's in there.)
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Insight? No, I dont believe so. The earlier works that influenced enneagram are like this: Plato came up with something loosely like the enneagram symbol. He attributed symbols to things like cubes represent earth, trapezoids represent fire, dodecahedron represents universe. Pythagoras also used symbols like squares, circles and triangles and associated numbers with these things to make sense of the universe. Plotinus wrote a book on the 6 Enneads, which loosely translate into head, heart, and body kind of like the enneagram. George Gurdjieff did some shady stuff and taught people the enneagram shape based on some kind of cult like dance, and he categorized the areas or movements of the dance into representations of people's character. There were a few other people who contributed to the idea of the enneagram and what it represented. Not all people who contributed to the enneagram were Christians. However, I honestly don't get a bad vibe from using a tool to better understand people. Enneagram is not an addition to the Christian Bible like some people are saying. It is a completely separate tool, but it can be applied to intra and interpersonal relationships.
@@karbear04 You are glossing over the fact that the personality types were created through "automatic writing". At worst, demonic channeling, at best, stream of consciousness from a guy who frequently experimented with psychedelic drugs. Much like the song we sang in Sunday school about the foolish dude building his house on the sand, that's what the enneagram is built on, a completely loose and unreliable foundation. This has been proven scientifically, thus it shouldn't be applied to any relationships. Consider the following links from Patrick Vermeren: blogs.hrminfo.eu/2019/10/20/prepublication-extract-of-a-chapter-of-a-skeptics-hr-dictionary/ "Person A makes a strong statement (e.g. about the validity of the MBTI [or enneagram]), but when they get into trouble and are confronted with the problematic theory and psychometric flaws, person A retreats to a weaker position: the discussion or conversation starter. Person A tries to pretend that this was the only intention. You see, from whatever angle you look at it, it remains a fallacy. Nice try, but no cigar. If you feel happier clinging to this wreck, go ahead! If you really prefer to look right, rather than to be right, that’s your choice." static1.squarespace.com/static/5d77a9a095914b48a1c07840/t/5dee10f95e5ce97f94f85365/1575883008258/III_Myth8_Enneagram.pdf "There is no consensus on the names of the nine types, as evidenced by the dozens of books out there about the Enneagram. All of them, without exception, use ‘woolly’ language that is sometimes simply incomprehensible and often subject to multiple interpretations. This makes it easier for readers to always recognize something of ‘truth’ in the welter of words-a clear case of the Barnum effect."
10.08. Neither do you. You live in conceptualization and thinking yourself to be a person, separate from God. God is the essence of all, it is not an entity "above" or beyond you, me or anyone. Wake up
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar." The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼 The interview link: ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Bear in mind the Enneagram is a works-based system. "Some teachers of the Enneagram have linked original sin to the point when a young child chooses their ego type. What then follows is the idea that we can “fix” our original sin problem through spiritual work. In essence, the Enneagram of personality becomes a works-based means of salvation. On this view, Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross becomes insufficient to deal with the sin problem. We ourselves become the means to our own salvation. We correct our thinking and our shortcomings based on the test, and we remove our sin in the process. While this might help us in our sanctification, it can’t be confused as a way to actual salvation." tentmakingchristianity.com/three-more-problems-with-the-enneagram/
(also note their conclusion: it has no use, anywhere. I'm sure somebody will run with the "this might help" sentence, which is missing the point entirely).
That’s a tough one. I cannot give you a definitive answer. Some people in here have already tried. If it was so definitive, the orthodox, the Coptic‘s, the Roman Catholics, and multiple different protestant denominations would not be arguing with this point
Hi friend, our church has used to it help us identify how we operate as individuals and to get a better understanding of those around us. Pastor Matt likes the enneagram because it's one of the few personality tests that actually identifies sin too. By learning more about ourselves we can become more honest with where we need to grow and where God wants to change our lives. Thank you for your comment!
The Enneagram has nothing to do with Christianity. There are Christians who may identify as one of the nine types but it’s based off of general and maybe some specific characteristics of a person. My wife introduced me to it. She had a hard time understanding how I did some things and things personal when they weren’t meant to be. After she did a little studying, it helped her have a little more grace, and be a little slower to judge me based off of her understanding of her emotions
Yeah.... no I like the description and all but that fact that he said nicodemus is the most intelligent human being is false as we have Newton, Tesla, Einstein, and many other more intelligent human beings that walked this earth... that fact the he has an IPAD ( which Jobs was the founder of apple) kind of disappointed me... religion blinded him...
Tesla believed aliens tried to contact him through his radio, so. . .not sure about that one. Alternating current is cool though, sure. But anyway, types still don't exist.
There is no actual way to be disconnected from your emotions, you can only perceive it that way, unless you're an actual machine and not a living organism. The heart is an organ that pulses the blood thru the organism, it reacts to emotion, but it does not generate it, because emotion comes from sensory input, wich comes from the nervous system, wich comes from the brain. I feel like these terms of being "disconnected" are quite delusional and doesn't help anyone understand themselves better. In reality, all thought is irreversably connected to emotion, because its connected to sensibility, so, by perceiving someone as "non-emotional" when they "think too much", you are actually having the most mistaken perception of all, because the truth is the opposite: people who think a lot are at the same time the ones who feel the most, because their nervous and sensory living organism is more active than yours, and that comes with a lot of misunderstanding about behaviour. Fives do not need to "connect the heart" (as I said, the idea of having a disconection there is nothing but ilusion and romantic wording rubberish), they need to get in greater touch with their fisical bodies (that's the real problem for them), you need to remember that with high sensibility also comes overwhelming emotion, and with that comes the feeling of being very hard to live in such a world, the world itself feels very overwhelming, every sensory input feels greater, fear, love, hate, etc; So, in order for Fives to get a better hold of that and actually have a better quality of life and feel like they belong in the world, they need to feel physically stronger, they need to ground, to feel their feet deeply rooted and a body thats capable of handling all this great sensibility (unless it works against them); and here it's also not about being "disconected" (thats just just psudo-scientific BS, ironically, thinking like that is what can make you "live in your head", because that idea has no ground in actual life, it makes no sense), so fives need to feel capable of handling their nervous system better, so it works for them instead of against them. For me, a great way to do that is by physical activity and not by dwelling on wheter your "heart" is connected or not (it wont fall of your chest at any minute, I assure you), specially if it's something where they can use their sensibility WITH their physical sense of self, like in martial arts, yoga, sports, whatever have you, so they can feel strong, capable and self-confident like an 8. Also, I see most of you "enneagram experts" use this tool in a very ego-maniac manner, you use it for fast judgment of others in a way that benefits your ways and false perceptions, wich benefits your ego, but it doesn't really help other people that are seeking for advice (fives most likely see thru you anyway so I am not worried much); take a step down, learn humility, stop judging things like you know better, because you really don't, and most importantly, stop using the name of Christ to benefit your ego and your maniacal impressions, you're not fooling anybody.
At 17:35, Dude, don’t get cute and say Jesus “steals” a lunch from a kid and feeds 5,000 people. Jesus didn’t “steal.” Stop trying to be cool and just preach the Word man.
Preaching the word alongside the Enneagram is a paradox. worshiphisbeauty.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/the-theology-of-the-enneagram “My dear Wormwood…the following methods are useful… keep his mind on the inner life. He thinks his conversion is something INSIDE him and his attention is chiefly turned at present to the states of his own mind.” - The Screwtape Letters, C.S.Lewis Huh.
That did not sit well with me either. I personally did not like this presentation because I thought some of the times he was trying to hard like a comedian who tries too hard and doesn’t have proper timing and uses bad context.
Amen👏 so i am a female and learned yesterday that i am a #5 ...even tho i rank high 90s in other #s...i wonder if we fall on this # by the way we were raised and what and who was around us when we were little....i wonder if we would of been in dif.situations we would be a dif.# now ..cz i do feel ....but in private.and i have tendency to be a giver 🤔 and THIS IS A#5 FEMALE THOUGHT out of this...😂
I’m only 6 mins in but I disagree with fives not feeling. We do, probably long before anyone else does but we go up in our heads to be rational so that we can function in the world. It’s disconnecting from a surge of emotions. We observe... non verbal communication, tone, behavior, patterns and even sense moods. It’s very overwhelming and draining.
I totally agree
Amen. I'm tired of people thinking we don't feel things.
Me too mayb this is the part they talk about the 5wing 4 or wing 6?...i just learned yesterday my #...mayb we shud study the "wings"...?🤗
He did not INCITE 5's did NOT feel. He said multiple times they have a heart but expressing it is uncomfortable.
@@Boxxxxxxxxx "I'm only 6 minutes in" I don't think she got to that part.
It’s so true what a radical change there is in a 5 sort of person who has truly been transformed by Jesus!
I am a 5, and a Myers-Briggs INTJ. Before I really gave my life to Christ, by default I didn’t like being around people, I wanted to be completely left alone to study and research, and not only did I not know how to converse with and persuade people from an emotional and empathetic “heart“ standpoint, but I had no desire to. All I cared about was logic.
And actually, it was logic and rationale that convinced me of the truth of Christianity! I studied all of the evidence and read all the books and was convinced. But I was still only arguing and debating people on the validity of eyewitness testimonies and archaeological finds and cosmological arguments. Those are important, but I was never reaching out for people’s hearts. And I had no interest in being actively involved in the social side of my church. Ick.
When I finally actually gave my whole heart and mind to Jesus, he gave me the *desire* to empathize with people as human beings, and to get excited about spending time with my family in my church! His joy overflows out of me so much that I seem bubbly and extroverted!
When I tell people I’m actually an INTJ, a 5, an **introvert,** they are always shocked! I no longer look or act like a stereotypical INTJ/5, because he transformed me to care about his *people,* not just the facts. Now I have the power of research and logic, AND the power of empathy and emotional communication. He is doing wonderful things through me now. ❤️🔥❤️🔥❤️🔥
Hopefully 1 day I can go through this journey. But it's such a struggle for me cause I love being by my self getting lost in a video game. & he did say we 5's have to watch out for video games. & that's where my issue is.
Ever since I was a kid. I always had my own room & own video game consoles in that room.
Literally only time my parents would call me out of my room when it was dinner time.
Now I'm 29 & find it awkward & weird to go visit my own family regularly cause I never even did it when I was younger.
I didn't just go out there & sit on the couch & watch a movie with them. Naw I'd prefer to be in my room playing my game.
I even remember always trying to eat my food faster. Just so I can get back to the game.
Now they want me to come visit & I make up any excuse why I can not. It's horrible.
& I haven't even gotten to serving at the church. Cause I really dislike being around people. Especially crowds of people. I have literally 0 desire. But I do know deep down that this is the right step for me to take. Is by getting into small group & trying to serve & get out there more.
But man taking that 1st step & staying committed is what I am struggling with now.
But I did start going into the actual Sunday services at the campus every single Sunday but I have only been going for about 2 months.
But immediately when service is over. I'm like the 1st one out the door. All bad I know.
Man I got a long way to go. & a lot to work on.
@@takayukiyoshida6727 lol what video game?
@@joshuakimmich3360 mainly I played crash bandicoot, sly Cooper, spyro, & jam pack demo disc.
I'm a 5 and I found this very enlightening. As a follower of Jesus, I've fought with my head on many occasions. Sometimes I have to put my analytical brain in the passenger seat and let experience speak for itself. Jesus is the ultimate truth, findings are secondary in every aspect. Thank you for the video :)
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@@redefinedliving5974 - As a 5w6, I share your opinion. Nevertheless, there is no value to gain in disrespecting someone else's opinion. Abby has every right to believe, just as we have every right to question.
@@V62926685 "Jesus is the ultimate truth" I value truth over peace and harmony. She has every right to believe what she wants but i have every right to dispel inaccurate beliefs. :) You sure you aren't a 9?
@@redefinedliving5974 Firstly, to answer your question: yes, I am completely certain I am an INTP 5w6.
Secondly, and back to the point, you are correct that while she has every right to believe what she wants, you also have every right to "dispel inaccurate beliefs". I would never argue against that point, as I most certainly share the belief. For the record, I'd like to also add that no disrespect toward you was meant in any way.
I suppose what I was trying to say is that you should perhaps consider doing it in a more objective, less targeting and more considerate way to improve your odds of success, as I've never once in my life witnessed the phrase "boo" sway anybody to the speaker's point of view.
@@V62926685 I was feeling lazy and didn't expect this super damaging belief in an enneagram video. And if you have experience with Christians yourself, there's nothing will convince them otherwise. Not that I want to convince them of anything, I just don't want to perpetuate false beliefs like this because it strengthens toxicity and narcissistic systems and establishments in the world. Maybe some are truly good meaning but they are complicits in a way.
It is NOT that 5's are not 'Heart' elt. It IS that ALL their sensory inputs (the 5 senses + mind+ Spiritual) are too sensative... This causes over stimulation and often 'meltdown'. A 5 can be observing/studying an ant hill/nature... and burst out in tears.
How can she explain why?... All she can say is 'The Beauty'.. The 'perfection' once 'recognised' annot be, put into words...❤🙌
YES...
helen Palmer says that fives tend to be the most deeply feeling of all the 9 types, so they are compelled to put up walls.
I agree. No one can really “get” a 5 except another 5 and 5’s are not generally inclined to make public presentations about 5ness. This guy is among the most clueless.
@@b4ned why not 4 they are supposed to overfeels
Exactly... When my feelings are extremely "active" I don't feel the most competent and that is frightening. In order to make good choices you need the ability to think clearly to form a proper assessment of next steps. As I get older the wall between my feelings and my facts is less resilient and it's exhausting. It feels like I literally can't think if there are feelings intruding all over my logic. To feel like you need to filter decisions, your rebuttals and all unalignment through a lense to be sure it's based on facts and not how the wind blew that day. I'm soo over It. Fixit Jesus 😂. I'm only partially kidding 🙏🏾
I can not believe how this has helped me as a five. I now understand why I am the way I am. I can’t stand to be the center of attention, it hurts on my end. When I’m so over come with emotions, which I hate. I always have to research or learn something to distract my mind from my emotions.
5w6, safe to say that while I am not greedy, I am antisocial. It’s hard to understand emotions and the hardest question to answer for me is “how are you feeling”. I tend to feel pretty alone, even among others. While I have been called a jack of all trades, I have also been called an introvert & zombie. I think the hardest thing I deal with is existentialism. I have a hard time finding “the one” thing I’m passionate about, because there are so many. Finding love is even worse because letting someone see the real me is one of my greatest fears. Funny how writing this behind a keyboard is easier than saying it my family and friends... God please enter my life and guide me so that I may better myself, the lives around me, and leave this world a little better than how I found it.
being a 4w5 is hard because we feel so much, but we’re stingy with our emotions and it’s hard to share our overwhelming feelings so we keep it inside
So true! I'm a 4w5 and I am completely repelled by the idea of involving myself on a permanent basis with groups of people( be they big or small groups) and yet I know I'm missing out. I love the prayer at the end...something about being able to involve ourselves in the chaos of relationship ( perfectly worded, btw, since that's how we tend to see relationships...ie: as unneccessary chaos ). Life definitely doesn't need to be as hard as we tend to make it,does it?
Truuuuu
Literally the truest stayement
you're not alone
4w5 here
It’s hilarious how I feel as a five. I can be in a room full of smiling faces, and feel like the loneliest man on earth
Oh jeez, I relate to that hard.
yes
Are you sure you're not a 1. Lolol. Jk.😉😊
FELT
The amount I relate to this, it’s the worst feeling, being in a room full of people and still feeling all alone
I won’t lie I think one of the scariest moments I’ve had was during high school when I had just found out my father had a daughter with another woman that wasn’t my mother
I had stood up for him and rationalized his bad behavior so many times growing up as he had been cheating on my mom since I was 5 but never had a child with any of them. When I found out this time was different I felt embarrassed and broken and I burst into tears, I felt how everything was falling apart but all it too was one glance at my mother and I realized I couldn’t break , that just wasn’t an option I had. Took a deep breath and when I exhaled I felt nothing. Nothing at all…
That panicking, brokenness and utter despair was forced deep into my heart and I couldn’t feel anything. No pain, just emptiness and while I was numb I was able to help and support my mother but when it came time to heal myself it was nearl impossible to do
The only one who could was Jesus❤️
Even so feeling such a strong and raw emotion of broken-heartedness suddenly vanish was scary because I knew it wasn’t right, it was dangerous but at that moment it was the only thing I could do to protect myself
Hi friend, that is a challenging and difficult season to go through at a formative age like high school. You are loved here at Sandals Church, and you're right! Only Jesus can heal us from the pain that cuts this deep. If you'd like to talk to one of our staff members, can you email us at social@sandalschurch.com? We'd love to be able to care for and support you the best we can. We also have a sermon series from this year titled "The Healer," where Pastor Matt talks about how Jesus brings healing into our lives. We're praying for you today, friend!
His comment about small groups is exactly how I felt as a new Christian. It took a long time to come around.
Thank you Brother, in christ for providing me a way to explain myself to my family. They have been quite concerned about how I have acted and think I'm holding back my emotions.
I have listened to quite a few type 5 videos in the past week (several by pastors). I was surprised and discouraged by so many negative comments. I appreciate the grace and hope.
I’m a 5w4 so my head and heart are constantly fighting each other. I feel everything. However at the same time I shut down and don’t want to feel anything at all. 😩
Mmhmmm!
Hi Five! 5w4 female here. Hope you are well. We are deep feelers.... Sending love ❤️
@@HighFiveFriend Exactly!! We feel deeply! It is a common misunderstanding, a lie actually, that 5's don't "feel" and emote. Sure, what is being seen on the surface - it might seems so in many 5's but not internally.
Mood
As a 4 married to a 5, I am so grateful for this biblical truth & insight. Thank you!
I am an Enneagram 5 married to a 2. It's been awesome for 42 years. (Yes Douglas Adam , 42 is the answer to everything, at least for now. 🙂) The fly in your ointment for me is that I am an atheist. (No casting of stones please.) But even so I enjoyed the Enneagram stuff. It was great. Thanks for sharing. I have a 4 wing as well, and I think that helped to make me a far better teacher for the decade I taught. The 5 can sometimes be disconnected from the class and just plow forward but that 4 wing gave me a insight to the ones who didn't get it. It was just enough of the heart side of the equation to keep the head section running at high efficiency for that application.
A side note, my wife was given a microphone by an illusionist on our cruise who had wandered down at the start of his routine to "interface." He asked her a question and he almost had to use magic to forcibly remove the mike. When she gets a mike and an audience, Katy bar the door. He mumbled to her, "Would you like to do the show?"
As a 5, I do know how they do most of their tricks, and after 42 years of marriage, I also know enough to keep it to myself and let my wife enjoy the show. :-)
I should add one more thing about asking me questions. My wife warns all of her friends first thing, to not ask me anything, unless they want a very complete answer. I may breakout the charts and graphs. :-)
When we first met back in 1974, she asked me how an evaporative cooler worked. I gave her a complete rundown, and sketched in the working parts and explained them all. However, I noticed she wasn't following me closely enough to understand. So, I a gave her a written test. It has been nearly 44 years and she has never forgiven me for that test. She tells all her friends about it, to warn them how seriously I take my knowledge when I share it with others. I am very thankful that she has a heart of gold and loves me completely. I don't know why she loves me but she is my goddess (metaphorically speaking of course) and I worship the ground she walks on. In my opinion, I landed the best 2 on the planet.
Howdy, fellow traveler. :-)
Hey! INTJ Island! Nice to see you here! ;)
INTJ Island this is great! Thank you for sharing! One thing I have found! 5’s are very interesting to be around! But you truly are wise as a 5 to know when to share your vast knowledge and when to let those around you live in the mystery of life.
ua-cam.com/video/MdXZ_eZWZr0/v-deo.html good times
I can't wait to make my future husband watch this video. I haven't met him yet...lol..but when I do he's going to watch this video till the end (especially the end).
Yes!! Hope you are well. I'm a 5w4 married to a 5w6 for 23 years. Great to be happily married to someone who 'gets' you. (Especially us female 5's!). Praying harmony over your relationships today :).
Jesus led me to Himself in my academic curiosity.. i read book after book trying to disprove Him and yet i found the opposite. I stayed after classes to debate my philosophy professors but I found my atheistic views lacking. History has always been my obsession even as a young kid and it amazed me that I could not disprove the historicity of the bible.
He revealed Himself to me first through logic and knowledge. I am thankful for that.
Decades later, my heart is ever wandering away from Him but I can never convince myself intellectually that He is not who He says He is. Logically, it does not make sense to deny His claims.
Thank You Jesus. Please lead me back to You.
5.18 we are VERY aware of that, AND we feel MORE than MOST people do for that matter. Yes I am a 5w4, so the 4 comes into it, but 5's are THE type that falls in love with, is in awe of BEAUTY and "perfection", and true perfection is found in ALL THINGS when one is conscious/aware/mindful.
But indeed, it is typical that 5's don't show as much emotions typically compared to some other types, and might not share them with just about anyone, and we don't know how to "process them" consciously.
Our emotional.. world if so to say is deep and beautiful beyond most people's comprehension
This guy is awesome. My favorite part about him is that I can pause, mute, rewind, or slow him down whenever I want.
Thanks for watching, Caleb!
This is absolutely brilliant. I am raising a bright, gorgeous little 5
I am a 5 and I desperately needed this. Thank you.
Been looking for ways to manage being a 5, through a Gospel oriented framework! Looking forward to this message here.
I’m getting so much outta this series Matt thank you 🙏🏽 the Holy Spirit flows through you !
My result was 4 with a strong 5 and wow. I need to trust the process and let God do what he does and I feel I could be one of his greatest missionaries! Father God I pray you help me to set my ego and my pride aside so that I am able to preach your word and live like your son Jesus and Lord God I know that I am a sinner and I pray you have mercy on me as I welcome you back into my heart, in Jesus name, amen
Amen! Praying for you Chris!!
omg 40:28 me too!!! When I bought my Mac, I just spent a whole afternoon figuring out how it works and how to improve my efficiency and it's amazing.
37:57 "Not every song and not every sermon needs to be dissected." Me, a type 5 INSTANTLY : "2 Corinthians 10:5 We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ."
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I like thoughtful, insightful and calm community groups.
Ellen Porter me too! If I end up in one where its a group therapy session I gotta get out
As an Enneagram 5, I am now finding that faith and belief in Jesus and God is a choice that is made without evidence.
I thought for a long long time: How can I believe something if there's no empirical evidence. I am a huge skeptic and I would say for the past 25 years 99% atheistic. But recently my mind has been changing. Something is changing in my mind that I can't explain.
I have read the bible and the New Testament particularly many times. Along with other religious texts. But never "believed". I've seen Passion of the Christ. The Ten Commandments is one of my favorite movies. But still, the belief just wasn't there.
Then I had a phone call with my non-religious mother a couple weeks ago and she told me about The Chosen. I binge watched the first two seasons. Why this one program got me thinking vs. all the literature and movies I've seen touched me I have no idea. But it got me to (against my skeptic mind) I started praying. I talked to my mother the other say and found out that she prayed that there would be a was for Jesus to touch her family's heart. My niece came to her the next day and reluctantly told my mother that she wanted to become Christian. She mentioned her prayer to me after I told her how the show touched me and my heart and mind are changing. Do I have doubts? Absolutely. But I choose to have faith now. I choose to belief. I don't know where it came from. But it's there.
To add to this. I think the Sandles Church youtube channel is a great evangelical channel.
Gran Lobo -- I'm so glad you commented. I get so happy when God reveals himself to people in such a personal way and so awesome that your family is experiencing this at the same time!
You've reminded me of the interaction between the risen Jesus and one of his disciples Thomas (John 20:24-29). Thomas was trying to rationalize and understand what he thought was impossible -- that it was actually Jesus, who Thomas knew was crucified and died days earlier. It's an amazing picture how Jesus greets him with peace, then let's him actually touch the holes in his body, but it's what he says at the end that makes me so happy for you... Jesus says to Thomas: "You believe because you have seen me. Blessed are those who believe without seeing me." This means that YOU ARE BLESSED! because you've believed without seeing.
Hebrews 11:1 describes Faith as "the reality (or assurance) of what we hoped for, the proof of what is not seen." It's the bridge between what we know and experiencing the reality of God. I pray God continues to make Himself known to you and your family as you trust and put your faith, hope and love in Jesus.
Sandals offers a couple things I thought I'd share if you want to go deeper. There are bible plans and reflection questions in sandals church app move.sc/app. Or try a community group to unpack what God is doing with other people -- move.sc/groups Or if you want to chat first, you can reach me at online@sandalschurch.com. God bless my friend.
I have loved this ennegram series enriched with bible knowledge and emotions. If possible have someone translate or subtitle so we can share in Spanish to more people.
there are a lot 5 that can do that !!
I would love to do a Russian translation as well 🙏🏼
Please don't share pseudoscience.
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Thank you for this. I can't describe how incredibly beautiful this series is, and the way you tied Nicodemus into it brought me to tears. There's something so special about the way you tie in those who're Biblical figures into this. It makes you connect with it and the entirety of that love story that is the Bible, in a completely and utterly different, and miraculous way. Pastor Brown's way of doing this is delightful; so grateful the Lord directed me to Sandals Church's channel.
If you haven't (I have to catch up on your other videos), I hope you eventually go into things like tritypes, wings, subtypes and MBTI typing. Not necessarily the minutia of it all, but the general points, as they really helped me with nuance differences between enneagram types like the fact that, indeed, as was said, we 5s don't hate people, we just, especially if introverted MBTI types, genuinely become zapped of energy on both a physical and emotional level, and we're like a phone with 1% battery. If you only charge us for 5 mins and take us off the charger, we can only function for so long before we're exhausted again. Once we're good on energy, some of us are more open to sharing with others because of our subtypes, as well (sexual subtype 5w6 here, so I'm more talkative/emotional and resemble Type 4 more than other 5s).
...Can relate with your friend about sitting in your new car, btw... dunno about you, but I like sitting it in just to bask in the smell it, lol! Being an empath and a 5 senses-sensitive INFJ, sometimes scents and sounds are really the best part of our experiences. A good time can equate to spending hours singing to the Lord while standing outside and staring at the stars on a cold night, because the temperature's right and the sight is beautiful, etc.
I’m a 5, and when he said the thing about books and retreating into yourself? Holy smokes. That’s me to a T.
As a 5, thanks for the Jeep and desert suggestion!
im a Malaysian 5, theres no desert here but im planning to buy a bike and go for some track day but my mom wont be happy bout that 😢
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High Five! I was thinking same thing!
Thank you! I needed to here this and God knew it. I'm an INTP and type 5 awake at 2:17am, finishing this video (after much note taking so I can dissect) who is struggling with small groups because I always go "too deep"! 🤦🏻♀️🙏🙌
Stefanie Cawley I am in a group that seems to appreciate my questions I just have to remind myself when its been enough😂
@@rosep8481 mine appreciate them too and they are very encouraging for more. "Wow I didn't think of it like that!" is fairly common for me to hear. But it just feels so awkward. Because while ya it's cool to blow people's minds...I'd just really like to engage in a conversation with similar people. I feel so rare. Which isn't bad, just lonely... honestly.
It also feels awkward because I rarely let anyone in. So when I do and I talk too much, it's weird for all of us. Suddenly the quiet one speaks but she doesn't shut up. That's what it feels like to me about me.
IDK, it's such a struggle to relate to people and not be weird.
@stephanie I'm also an INTP 5, thanks for sharing❤️
Can I add my name to list of INTJ 5w4s who thought this was absolutely excellent?
The bit about the disunity between the head and heart is something I struggle with an awful lot.
I'm a pretty solid 5 but I don't have problems volunteering with the church - but I struggle with incompetence or just 'wasting time' things LOL - I want it to be purposeful even if easy like stuffing bulletins -but a social event chit-chatting is harder for me. I also don't dismiss emotions totally I just don't see displaying them beneficial - nothing changes about the situation.... I often find myself wanting to say 'just gete to the point' I want to know how it ends then I can sit and listen to the long drawn out version. but I"ve also been led in prayer and reading scripture to do things that have helped with giving - tithing, setting aside time for vounteering and I think that's helped me a lot
Omg I’m a 5 and I thought it was weird that I always wanted to get to the end and then I could trudge through the whole story
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
I didn't quite understand why I got 5 as one of my high ones. Until you mentioned all of the unhealthy parts of 5.
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You could be an 8 who goes into 5 in times of stress
I have not taken the enneagram test yet but listening to the series, this is definitely me, an unhealthy 5 though at the moment.
Hi Pastor Matt, this has freed me !!! I get me now, so does my wife , lol. Thank you so much. Love from Zimbabwe.
I think the biggest issue as a five for me is doubt...to much mind so little evidence its hard to make the jump, much less worry about my feelings!
I would disagree that intellectuals don't know anything about God. They can think deeply about God, and have more insights than people who merely feel without thinking.
PoptheBubble ChartLeaks he didn’t say that, what he means n is saying is that *some* observers *could* know all about the bible academically n intellectually but misses the heart of having a real relationship with God
@@Garnishes I understand what he said. Having a heart above head experience isn't having a relationship with God. Implying that faith or relationship with the supernatural is somehow superior to thought, or implying that people who think deeply but who don't believe are somehow less than is never okay. It's false. It's culty. It's inappropriate. It damages families. Thanks for being a know-it-all. Please go read something.
PoptheBubble ChartLeaks ok so maybe u read his comment as such but i understood it as having a relationship with God is not complete without both with the head and heart. I understood him as saying that it’s not complete with just one - whether it’s just heart without head or head without heart. it has to be both. i don’t think the speaker meant that the heart is more superior to the head.
I'll just leave this here
worshiphisbeauty.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/the-theology-of-the-enneagram/
19:19
"I know how he did it, I know exactly how he did it."
"Shut up. I want to believe."
This video in a nutshell.
Spindlewax exactly what I noticed.
Wow this was so amazing, it is my second time watching it through, and I love it even more. The details of the 5 are so dead on! I feel like my mind was read. Absolutely love this. God Bless
"Similarly, when we read the description of our own personality type from one of these tests, it often feels spot on, as if the people who created the test know us very well. This is due in part to how we process self-relevant information."
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right
Do some research on the Forer Effect. End pseudoscience.
I think I'm a 459 or 549. When my husband is away I go camping by myself. Lol yes, you can watch my video on how many languages I've studied but most people in real life don't know. I don't struggle with small groups (my husband and I lead one, which makes it a lot easier bc I can stay in PJs and it feels really homey) but women's Bible studies are the most difficult for me.
Same I think I relate to that combo as well. Its hard for me to figure out which one I am
As a 5 I love facilitating classes and teaching groups. As a 5 I strongly abhor classes/groups when I feel others including the facilitator/leader know so much less than I do. There goes the piousness: competent vs incompetent!
I have probably never agreed with a preacher more than I agree with him. I hope to visit his church one day.
5w4 and yes good sermon. I lovd the connections all together. But of course. I'm a 5. I can connect all the dots. Lol this is awesome though. Getting closer to healthy 5. Takes a lot of work. Thank you for the message. Thankfully I have the 4w to help me out with the heart. But its always a battle with he head and heart. Other than god its seems less painful to use the head and when I've 4d it up too much pain usually follows. I find more balance with having 5w4. Brains and heart.
Sarah UpsideDown I’m a 5w4 too and think I’m a pretty even split on head-heart. This video definitely hyper-caricaturized the 5 and of course humanity is not that simple, but he got his point across and I appreciate the biblical connections.
@@kelseypelham4682exactly. I totally get what you mean. I'm also adhd and on the spectrum so a mixture is going on there to lol but I think all of it together working as one helps me be a better human being. Having acceptance of how god made me and what I can learn from god himself through scripture to not just be soo much head and not keep stone walls up either.
worshiphisbeauty.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/the-theology-of-the-enneagram/
This was pretty accurate as a 5 but you completely misinterpreted the verse on being born of the spirit. That’s in reference to Ezekiel 36
Freaking brilliant - one of the best of the literally thousands of youtube videos I have watched. I have seen a few others that were great by Pastor Brown, but this one combined so much knowledge, insight HUMOR and wisdom, mind blown - thank you for your contribution to human understanding and healing and most of all coming to a closer relationship with our Lord.
I actually stopped it a few times to digest the insight being shared.
Just a reminder from the encyclopedia of social sciences:
‘Typologies serve two basic functions: they codify and they allow prediction. They are appealing because they offer simplistic pigeonholing and an assumed peek into the unknown. Hence they are a form of divination and fortune telling. They can be as entertaining as any parlor game, but the real tragedy of such schemes is that life-and-death advice is being given to people. A “Temperament Counselor” who advises on a lifetime career, marriage or spiritual development is likely to influence people’s lives for good or ill. Moreover, the victims often believe that they are really gaining knowledge about others and often rely upon the scheme to explain and excuse questionable behavior in others and themselves, instead of growing and changing by assuming responsibility.
Unfortunately, from the scientific point of view, nothing is explained if the state we have attributed to the person from his behaviour, is then invoked as the cause of the behaviour from which it was inferred. Circular explanations like this give the appearance of a genuine explanation that offers genuine knowledge. But it is only illusory.’
God has not redeemed divination. Even Revelation talks about people not repenting of their "sorcery" which I do believe divination would fall under.
5w4 here. Could the core sin be different for a core 5 wing 4?
The "wing 4" means there is a part of me that is very in tune with my emotions. Expressions of emotions and empathy are a part of me. I do require extra time to rejuvenate in energy, however, giving myself to a generous amount of time in service is not an issue for me. This is the ninth year I've served in full time pastoral ministry.
So, I am intrigued by the idea the "wing 4" could significantly nuance the core sin of a 5.
He read me from cover to cover! I’ve noticed, and been working on myself.
Omg I am such a 5! I am a woman and I want to be a kingdom entrepreneur and financer!
29:17 You know why I don't share my knowledge? Because sometimes people consider me as a know-it-all when I do that. Like you are so excited to share what you've learned but they got jealous of you, thinking that you are showing off. So now I don't share, I just stare and think, oh I know the answer but I'm not gonna tell you cuz you're not asking me so you won't be thankful anyway, why bother? I don't care if my so-called friends make mistakes any more. If they think they are better than me, fine, go ahead, I'll just be laughing when you fall.
How you know this is a video about #5....all the "corrections" in the comments. (I'm a #2 or a #9- still researching.) I'm married to a #5.
You CAN think your way into Heaven. Ponder and observe the work of God in your life, or even the natural world. Or on the finite nature of the mind, in contrast with An open mind leads to many amazing places.
God speaks through many voices. Consider some Buddhist writings for insight into detachment and intellectual thought.
And the preacher is right, be wary of spiritual guides. Especially if they tell you theirs is the only way. I assure you, you will have the hardest time of all seeing the Kingdom if you cannot see God's grace in all paths.
For me it would be the greatest to let a whole fantasy world arise through my thoughts. a book a story that keeps my head alive when I die. This desire arises because of my fixation as a type 5 but as I want to dissolve more and more of it, to be more free, wouldnt be smart to separate from this selfish desire and to seek goals that help me more not always just wanting to be alone?
Yeeeeeees
I think that I'm going to have to actually take this test; I could be either a 1 or a 5, based on what I've seen in these videos so far.
@marshall parker Not to burst your bubble, but researching a little more might be helpful, because I am of the understanding that your wing must be one of the numbers right next to your number, so 5w4 or 5w6 :)
@@sydm8344 It's arbitrary, science shows the "wings" do not correlate in any logical way. From a book written by a guy named Patrick Vermeren:
"The HPEI data also reveals that the idea of “wings” of the adjacent types is untenable.
Adjacent types show small intercorrelations (1 shows a +0.14 intercorrelation to 2 and -0.12 to 9 for example). To make things worse, the opposite types are not correlated negatively, but positively: for example, type 1 and 6 show correlations of +0.44 (French) and +0.47 (Dutch). In their comparison to a 5FM test, they fail to notice that adjacent styles
don’t show a continuous dimension. For example, if style 1 scores high on conscientiousness, the adjacent styles should somehow show at least medium correlations too. But this is not the case: for example, style 1 shows a correlation with conscientiousness of +0.58, whereas adjacent style 9 has a correlation of -0.07 and adjacent style 2 of 0.00. Except for
extraversion (at least with three styles), this problem occurs for all 5FM personality traits and the enneagram styles."
I'm a psychology layman, but do have a math degree. The numbers are bad for supporting Enneagram validity. Patrick concludes thus:
"Why do people believe the enneagram can offer them valuable insights?
Maybe people feel naturally attracted to the mystic, the occult, esoteric, sorcery, and gossip. The mere exposure effect may explain a lot as well since the enneagram has found itself
a niche in the credulous world of HR. Having been subjected to the enneagram, some people might start thinking it is a valid model for explaining personality. After all, most people trust other people claiming to be professionals.
And then, of course, there is the Forer effect as I described in Part I. Recognizing
yourself in the test result, or in a horoscope description, can be a very powerful experience. Especially for the credulous."
Good stuff, but 4 isn't the opposite of a type 5 - a type 2 is the actual opposite of the type 5. Richard Rohr talks about this in his lecture on the Observer (also on UA-cam).
Yeah, a 5w4 and 4w5 have a lot in common. I'm not sure if this guy knows about wings or tri-types. Good video though.
Yeah I’m 4w5 , INFJ, and I relate to the 5 as an observant creative. And I’m always wrestling my head and heart.
Daring Greatly84 I’m just learning about everything but I think I’m in that space, too... Whew!!! Intense, right???
www.leilamiller.net/blog/2019/7/16/warning-new-ager-fr-richard-rohr-is-making-a-comeback
Not a good source.
It is unconstitutional for American representatives and senators to hold any other civil office in the U.S. They have to resign their current office to campaign or stand for election for any other office. This principle is reinforced by the Twentieth Amendment. Article One Section 6.
Information from a grateful Enneagram #5
Information is only welcomed if interesting. This is not of interest to me at all. Thanks for shart😊
The theme song gives me life! I’m a typical 4 hehe, distracted by the beautiful music
5's: Stop making yourself miserable by following this kind of advice, which you've heard all of your life from almost everybody, including enneagram authors. You are here to be brilliant, for your own satisfaction. Don't waste your talent and time on people who don't matter. They don't like you because you are not useful to THEM.
The thing I am getting from this is that the essential oils Nicodemus bought actually worked!!
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Who writes the questions for the enneagram tests? How many different tests are there? How are the tests graded and interpreted? How does your enneagram identity help you to love others and God? Just some questions to think about.
Good questions
Really enjoyed this, I am a five who is, I think, ,married to a type 2.
You the second one here mentioned been merried to a 2..mayb 2 are good match for a 5??..hmm
A typical 5 here. Yes, I'm very much in my head. I may be biased but we Christians misinterpret the word spirit in scripture. The spirit in ancient thought was the ability to reason. It was akin to the logos. When we interpret the N.T. we tend to use other Bible verses. Read some of the Greek literature of the time and see how the word spirit is used. If you do you will stop using it as a synonym for Heart.
Don’t bother. They are in their feelings
connect with God in worship
make decisions on how it feels
share time,money
Proverbs 18:1 ESV - Whoever isolates himself seeks his own desire;
he breaks out against all sound judgment.
5's also make great archaeologists, detectives of culture.
My test said I am a 5 and I’m very discouraged. I’m wondering what good I can offer people in this world? Not many positive traits.
I have good news for you: the types do not exist.
www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/people-are-strange/201909/when-personality-test-results-are-wrong-feel-so-right
www.jaymedenwaldt.com/2019/01/the-enneagram-science-and-christianity_17.html
Quote: according to the Enneagram, my sin as a 5 is avarice (hoarding); however, of all the sins listed for the 9 types, this is probably the one I struggle the least! Ironically, the sin I probably struggle with most is associated with 7s (although the sins of 1s and 2s are about equal), which is the direction I am supposed to move when I am "healthy."
This psychologist in the link is telling you the entire system is arbitrary, poorly put together. It doesn't know anything about you, don't sweat it.
5s are fucking amazing. Study it, and yourself MORE and truly.
You have so much to offer in this world!
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.
Do not be deceived! You are not any of those numbers. Do you know the origin of the enneagram?
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Claudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Hi Five! As a 5w4 female I feel this (no pun intended.... we actually do feel lol). The stereotypes you see here on UA-cam don't define us. Just shows that we are misunderstood. 5's are awesome, and you have been given unique gifts and talents that you can lean into, rather than push away from. Sending love your way.
5s are amazing people who bring deep knowledge and very rational and impartial insights. 5s can help detach a little bit to extravagant things. 5s have a lot to bring,it's a lie to believe you have nothing to bring 😊🙏🏿
8.57. And this is a metaphor by Jesus. Born again as/like a child. Meaning = What you were, before "you"(ego/personality/conditioning) became.
The kingdom of God too, is a metaphor for the natural state of Being of a human BEING. Before we are corrupted by "adults" and sensory input and our subconscious mind's and identity is formed, which is the "false self". The real/God self is before the person, before "the thinker and doer and this and that or the other role we play".
Self inquiry my friend, would do you very well.
Why is this being used at a church?
I would assume it’s being used at church in the hopes that people understand different personalities and have a little more grace and understanding. Do you want to say something to someone the way you want to say it or do you want him to hear what you have to say? Sometimes those are not the same because you have to change the way you say things, depending on the personality of who you’re talking to. It’s sort of like sales. If I’m selling to a Director I talked technical if I’m talking to a CFO I talk money if I’m talking to a CEO I talk vision.
@@Papasquatch73 do your homework. This has no place in a church. It’s pseudoscience at best and has roots in the occult. The Bible is all we need being taught at church.
Wow! Empowering! Thank you!
They did a study on the messages that the brain sends to the heart..
and somehow discovered that the heart sends more messages to the brain, than it receives.. by a bunch.
They didn’t know why, nor did any of the researchers dare speculate the reasons for this
I myself thought right from the possible reason..
the observer is within the heart, and the reason throughout history things were always heartfelt.. or in your heart of hearts you knew
Infant the strongest feelings of what is right, or wrong.. let alone the falling in love..
are all from your heart, and seems to always shape your thoughts, long before the what some say is rational thinking, that you may think is in your brain..?
Any chance of this being the observer? It makes you think
I need everyone's help... I'm a two and really looking to care for/show love/appreciate a friend that's a five. In your own experiences and mind how can I do that, where they will feel loved the most and help our friendship to flourish?
Hey I’m a 5w4 and I think it’s really sweet that you want to do this for your friend! Speaking from my own experience as a five- One thing I find works for me is when people ask me what I’m thinking instead of what I’m feeling is so much better. I also really appreciate when my 2 friend encourages me and my ideas. Hope that helps!
@@talyawalde8555 Thank you so much for this! I really just want to make them feel loved and be able to trust me, because they don't understand how much I love them and I needed an effective way to show it to them!
It's been a while and I guess I should update: Ever since a 5 day trip where we werent in contact, he started to distance himself from a few people including me. He was happy and joyful with others, but left me wondering what I did wrong every night for 2 weeks. It was a really bad few weeks for my head and every time I saw them I was almost brought to a panic attack. I had decided enough was enough and I went to calmly confront them (I realize he is an extremely nonconfrontational person) about it with their favorite snack and everything, but as I tried to talk, they put their head down and only responded with groans and silence, it was so painful for me, it was like being rejected from someone you truly love. After this, I decided it wasn't worth it to take the mental abuse from myself and it took a week to finally get them out of my head. Now flash forward a week to now, I'm distancing myself and decided to think of him as an acquaintance, but for some reason he has started talking to me normal again after completely ignoring my existence for a month. So I'm really confused and it's pulling my heart apart. As you know, I am a 2, so it's hardly his fault, mostly mine for overthinking everything and almost obsessing over it, but now that I am in a much healthier place, what do you think is going on?
@@quizeyx9515 Have you asked him what he's been up to? Maybe he's just been really busy and feels like he's being stretched in too many directions. I doubt it's uncommon for 5s to distance themselves from people from time to time when they are feeling really overtaxed (that's certainly my natural tendency). A large part of that is that most (if not all) 5s are introverts, and they need time and space alone to recharge. I can't speak for your friend, but I'm guessing that that's what has been going on with him. It's not that he doesn't like you anymore (as evidenced by the fact that you said he's gone back to talking to you normally), it's just that he temporarily needed some space. You began by originally asking what you can do to help him and show your love/appreciation to him. Giving him the space he needs, when he needs it, is the greatest gift you can give him. Instead of fretting over him distancing himself from you and other people (which is what 5s naturally do when they feel stressed), simply make yourself available. You don't want to wait for him (your life doesn't revolve around him), but just make it known that you're there for him and that you care.
@@sabrinaclift1180 Thank you for this! Now I agree with everything you said except that he was completely normal with most people he hangs around, looking back, it really was just me (the only person in his social life that's always available and emotionally supportive), Also thank you for looking out for me, because for a month, all of my thoughts, actions, and entire life did revolve around him. I know he can be overwhelmed, so that's why I kept most of it to a minimum so I didn't freak him out as far as I know. A lot of the time for me, it's all or nothing with people I care about, and from what I've seen so far, when I dont try to give is when we get along normally. I almost feel like it brings us farther apart when I do give him everything's he asks for and more. I really hope he does appreciate what I do deep inside, but I think I'm growing as a person in how I deal with myself.
This whole comment is just me overthinking and ranting!😂
Well thank goodness I have a 4 wing!
does ennigram insight originate from occult practices?
Snarky Puppy does it???
Yes. George Gurdjieff was big into occult practices, Oscar Ichazo and Claudio Naranjo experimented with psychedelic drugs and channeled "higher authorities" to put together the personality types (which I believe the Gurdjieff Foundation itself has stated the Enneagram had nothing to do with personality ell oh ell), and then they lied about it having "ancient" origins based on a quote by Oscar Wilde who said "if you want your idea to become famous, attribute it to someone famous".
So yes, slamming ecstasy and talking to your "spirit guide" is occultic by nature. It also produces nonsense like "this type prefers to spend their energy and time on things that interest them". WOW, what a DEEP insight that is, thanks integrative9.com. I'll leave it to the experts to figure out which type I pulled that one from (it's in there.)
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
Insight? No, I dont believe so. The earlier works that influenced enneagram are like this: Plato came up with something loosely like the enneagram symbol. He attributed symbols to things like cubes represent earth, trapezoids represent fire, dodecahedron represents universe. Pythagoras also used symbols like squares, circles and triangles and associated numbers with these things to make sense of the universe. Plotinus wrote a book on the 6 Enneads, which loosely translate into head, heart, and body kind of like the enneagram.
George Gurdjieff did some shady stuff and taught people the enneagram shape based on some kind of cult like dance, and he categorized the areas or movements of the dance into representations of people's character.
There were a few other people who contributed to the idea of the enneagram and what it represented. Not all people who contributed to the enneagram were Christians.
However, I honestly don't get a bad vibe from using a tool to better understand people. Enneagram is not an addition to the Christian Bible like some people are saying. It is a completely separate tool, but it can be applied to intra and interpersonal relationships.
@@karbear04 You are glossing over the fact that the personality types were created through "automatic writing". At worst, demonic channeling, at best, stream of consciousness from a guy who frequently experimented with psychedelic drugs. Much like the song we sang in Sunday school about the foolish dude building his house on the sand, that's what the enneagram is built on, a completely loose and unreliable foundation. This has been proven scientifically, thus it shouldn't be applied to any relationships. Consider the following links from Patrick Vermeren:
blogs.hrminfo.eu/2019/10/20/prepublication-extract-of-a-chapter-of-a-skeptics-hr-dictionary/
"Person A makes a strong statement (e.g. about the validity of the MBTI [or enneagram]), but when they get into trouble and are confronted with the problematic theory and psychometric flaws, person A retreats to a weaker position: the discussion or conversation starter. Person A tries to pretend that this was the only intention. You see, from whatever angle you look at it, it remains a fallacy. Nice try, but no cigar. If you feel happier clinging to this wreck, go ahead! If you really prefer to look right, rather than to be right, that’s your choice."
static1.squarespace.com/static/5d77a9a095914b48a1c07840/t/5dee10f95e5ce97f94f85365/1575883008258/III_Myth8_Enneagram.pdf
"There is no consensus on the names of the nine types, as evidenced by the dozens of books
out there about the Enneagram. All of them, without exception, use ‘woolly’ language that is sometimes simply incomprehensible and often subject to multiple interpretations. This makes it easier for readers to always recognize something of ‘truth’ in the welter of words-a clear case of the Barnum effect."
Enneagram is of occultic origin.
Interesting. What is your primary source so I can go read it
@@Papasquatch73 Just search "enneagram origin". Take your time as long as you don't put your faith in it.
This is VERY good! ✨👌🏽✨❣️✨🙏🏽✨😘
Word.
10.08. Neither do you. You live in conceptualization and thinking yourself to be a person, separate from God. God is the essence of all, it is not an entity "above" or beyond you, me or anyone. Wake up
If it sounds new age, and looks new age and tastes new age then it's probably new age! Beware! Test the spirits for not every spirit is of God.
God teaches us through the Bible, which is the only tool we need. Proverbs 30:6 warns us, "Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar."
The enneagram is strongly associated with New Age philosophy and has occultic origins. The man credited with introducing the enneagram to the West is George Gurdjieff. Gurdjieff was a mystic, philosopher, and spiritual teacher immersed in occultic practices such as astrology, mental telepathy, spiritism, fortune telling, and posession. One of his followers Oscar Ichazo, along with Claudio Naranjo (a psychiatrist and occultist) began relating the enneagram with personality types in the 1960s. In a 2010 interview, Caudio Naranjo admitted that he lied about the origins of the enneagram because he wanted his idea to become famous and widely accepted. Naranjo admitted the enneagram is not an ancient tool of Babylonian origin. He confessed he arrived at the nine personality types through "automatic writing," which is the process of producing written words while in a trance state. The words arose from a supernatural source. The bible warns us not to channel spirits (Leviticus 19:31). The enneagram is a demonic New Age teaching that is infiltrating the church. Please do your research, and remember the devil is the master of deception. Don't be led astray. 🙏🏼
The interview link:
ua-cam.com/video/wlO3KJWnNd8/v-deo.html
6w5 here!
Willow Summers same!
Matt Brown, I'm confused. Do I have to be baptized to get to heaven?
Bear in mind the Enneagram is a works-based system.
"Some teachers of the Enneagram have linked original sin to the point when a young child chooses their ego type. What then follows is the idea that we can “fix” our original sin problem through spiritual work. In essence, the Enneagram of personality becomes a works-based means of salvation.
On this view, Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross becomes insufficient to deal with the sin problem. We ourselves become the means to our own salvation. We correct our thinking and our shortcomings based on the test, and we remove our sin in the process. While this might help us in our sanctification, it can’t be confused as a way to actual salvation."
tentmakingchristianity.com/three-more-problems-with-the-enneagram/
(also note their conclusion: it has no use, anywhere. I'm sure somebody will run with the "this might help" sentence, which is missing the point entirely).
That’s a tough one. I cannot give you a definitive answer. Some people in here have already tried. If it was so definitive, the orthodox, the Coptic‘s, the Roman Catholics, and multiple different protestant denominations would not be arguing with this point
These are great! Ahaha when PMB starts his comedy routine on each number I imagine a sitcom with each character 😂
Infj 5w4 here ✨✨
Why is Christianity so weirdly correlated with the enneagram?
Hi friend, our church has used to it help us identify how we operate as individuals and to get a better understanding of those around us. Pastor Matt likes the enneagram because it's one of the few personality tests that actually identifies sin too. By learning more about ourselves we can become more honest with where we need to grow and where God wants to change our lives. Thank you for your comment!
The Enneagram has nothing to do with Christianity. There are Christians who may identify as one of the nine types but it’s based off of general and maybe some specific characteristics of a person. My wife introduced me to it. She had a hard time understanding how I did some things and things personal when they weren’t meant to be. After she did a little studying, it helped her have a little more grace, and be a little slower to judge me based off of her understanding of her emotions
Probably should shorten the intro. Great sermon!
Yeah.... no I like the description and all but that fact that he said nicodemus is the most intelligent human being is false as we have Newton, Tesla, Einstein, and many other more intelligent human beings that walked this earth... that fact the he has an IPAD ( which Jobs was the founder of apple) kind of disappointed me... religion blinded him...
Reefgeek no you got it wrong haha he said he WAS (seemingly) the most intelligent human being, was not is
Tesla believed aliens tried to contact him through his radio, so. . .not sure about that one. Alternating current is cool though, sure.
But anyway, types still don't exist.
@@andrewcramer9200 then why are you here?
Checked the comments to see if (as I suspected) at least one 5 disagreeing with the commentary 😆
Any logical person should disagree with this pseudoscientific nonsense.
dougwils.com/books-and-culture/s7-engaging-the-culture/the-enneascam.html
INTJ - Ennea 5 .
But I found out that my astrology birth chart (Virgo rising - libra sun - scorpio moon, etc) Describes me even better.
INTJ, Ravenclaw, Type 5, Virgo😳
There is no actual way to be disconnected from your emotions, you can only perceive it that way, unless you're an actual machine and not a living organism. The heart is an organ that pulses the blood thru the organism, it reacts to emotion, but it does not generate it, because emotion comes from sensory input, wich comes from the nervous system, wich comes from the brain. I feel like these terms of being "disconnected" are quite delusional and doesn't help anyone understand themselves better. In reality, all thought is irreversably connected to emotion, because its connected to sensibility, so, by perceiving someone as "non-emotional" when they "think too much", you are actually having the most mistaken perception of all, because the truth is the opposite: people who think a lot are at the same time the ones who feel the most, because their nervous and sensory living organism is more active than yours, and that comes with a lot of misunderstanding about behaviour. Fives do not need to "connect the heart" (as I said, the idea of having a disconection there is nothing but ilusion and romantic wording rubberish), they need to get in greater touch with their fisical bodies (that's the real problem for them), you need to remember that with high sensibility also comes overwhelming emotion, and with that comes the feeling of being very hard to live in such a world, the world itself feels very overwhelming, every sensory input feels greater, fear, love, hate, etc; So, in order for Fives to get a better hold of that and actually have a better quality of life and feel like they belong in the world, they need to feel physically stronger, they need to ground, to feel their feet deeply rooted and a body thats capable of handling all this great sensibility (unless it works against them); and here it's also not about being "disconected" (thats just just psudo-scientific BS, ironically, thinking like that is what can make you "live in your head", because that idea has no ground in actual life, it makes no sense), so fives need to feel capable of handling their nervous system better, so it works for them instead of against them. For me, a great way to do that is by physical activity and not by dwelling on wheter your "heart" is connected or not (it wont fall of your chest at any minute, I assure you), specially if it's something where they can use their sensibility WITH their physical sense of self, like in martial arts, yoga, sports, whatever have you, so they can feel strong, capable and self-confident like an 8. Also, I see most of you "enneagram experts" use this tool in a very ego-maniac manner, you use it for fast judgment of others in a way that benefits your ways and false perceptions, wich benefits your ego, but it doesn't really help other people that are seeking for advice (fives most likely see thru you anyway so I am not worried much); take a step down, learn humility, stop judging things like you know better, because you really don't, and most importantly, stop using the name of Christ to benefit your ego and your maniacal impressions, you're not fooling anybody.
For more information on where these types come from and and why there are exactly 9 of them: ua-cam.com/video/TdRLVCGqHcE/v-deo.html
I didn’t know Ryan Reynolds gave sermons 🙂
I thought it was Dr House who was converted 😉
I am a 569 literally all three tied.
You don't have to understand GOD, He is everywhere, in every being on this earth and beyond this universe.
- enneagram 5, INFJ.
This is excellent
18 inches is a pretty good estimate
At 17:35, Dude, don’t get cute and say Jesus “steals” a lunch from a kid and feeds 5,000 people. Jesus didn’t “steal.” Stop trying to be cool and just preach the Word man.
Preaching the word alongside the Enneagram is a paradox.
worshiphisbeauty.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/the-theology-of-the-enneagram
“My dear Wormwood…the following methods are useful… keep his mind on the inner life. He thinks his conversion is something INSIDE him and his attention is chiefly turned at present to the states of his own mind.” - The Screwtape Letters, C.S.Lewis
Huh.
That did not sit well with me either. I personally did not like this presentation because I thought some of the times he was trying to hard like a comedian who tries too hard and doesn’t have proper timing and uses bad context.
Amen👏 so i am a female and learned yesterday that i am a #5 ...even tho i rank high 90s in other #s...i wonder if we fall on this # by the way we were raised and what and who was around us when we were little....i wonder if we would of been in dif.situations we would be a dif.# now ..cz i do feel ....but in private.and i have tendency to be a giver 🤔 and THIS IS A#5 FEMALE THOUGHT out of this...😂
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3:53 - I noticed I tend to attracted to 5s, I mean generally intelligence is appealing for me. So, it might be happening. :-D (I'm a 4w5)
Thanks for watching!