Onkyo TX-RZ50 Review - Best A/V Receiver of 2021?
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Home theater Upgrade #6
The best receiver of 2021? Onkyo is back with the TX-RZ50!
Buy from:
Amazon: amzn.to/312hOUS
Onkyo: www.onkyousa.com/product/tx-r...
Best Buy: www.bestbuy.com/site/onkyo-tx...
I bought mine from AVScience
Dirac Live: www.dirac.com/live/downloads/
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:07 Unboxing
0:41 Going around the receiver
2:30 My Denon X4700H
4:01 Set-up
5:31 AccuEQ Thoughts
6:12 Setting Up Dirac Live
7:27 Dirac Live Calibration
9:42 Dirac Live Thoughts
10:40 Quick Menu
11:27 Info Screen
11:47 Main Menu Overview
16:48 Conclusion - Наука та технологія
I’m so glad to see that your loving the hobby man. I love onkyo been a fan of them for a long time. Really nice setup man.
Best review ever! Thanks. Hoping my RZ50 will get in stock and ship!!!!
Great review. Thank you!
Thank you for sharing it.
Your detail explanation is good for me.
If this video has subtitle in Korean, a lot of Korean will be watching it.
thank you for details on the setup, GUI and some of the impressions. I do think changing the xo post the Dirac calibration takes away some of the filter results of the (pretty massive) calculations done. Same goes for distances/delays, (lesser impact) levels and, of course, speaker configuration, you should apply a custom target curve (Harman +6dB or +10dB seems much liked over at AVS) in Dirac app and the transfer the new filters.
That’s actually exactly what I was planning to do today. I’m gonna try harman +6db and have the original values for everything back
Thanks for that.. Great review.. Did you say you were running a power amp as well
Yup onkyo m-5010
good reviews
Great job on the video. Hope to have my ordered RZ50 in the next few weeks. Once you ran Dirac it looks like you instantly changed crossover setting before you actually listened to the results. Just curious if this is the case or if you listened then made adjustments to try to improve the initial results. New to this so looking for best methodology.
I changed them but then went back to dirac’s original settings. I used a harman +10 curve after this video
@@cs.studios good morning i have the rz50 but still dont know how dirac live works how do you use the harman curve or where do you download it greetings
Great video! It’s a very nice receiver, have you tried the harman curve for Dirac live ? It does a significant change , now for me really sounds very very well, I used the 10db bass curve
Yes I’ve been using +1db harman curve ever since I found out after the video
@@cs.studios so after adjusting to the Harmon curve is it comparable to the Denon in movie viewing/listening? Thanks.
brooooooo..... you said and use a "PDA" in 2021! hahahaha, love it!
"Personal digital assistant "? Like from 2005... A palm... Seriously asking... I've seen the touchscreen universal remotes. I assumed it was one of those until I saw your comment
Thanks for doing this. I just picked up the 4700 but was interested in the Rz50 for the HDMI inputs. I think the detail on the 4700 has been top notch so far on movies and music. Pinpoint accuracy and performing like a beast, so I’m really curious about the 50. Especially switching between music modes.
I love being able to easily switch between modes on my Onkyo receiver. Dirac Live does a good job calibrating speakers and I think it has the 4700H beat even in movies now
Nice video! Thanks for sharing. I was hoping you were going to show how you wired your amplifier to achieve 7.1.4 configuration. Which channels did you power with your external amp? I have heard that the surround backs are the unpowered channels? Is that true?
The TX-RX50 has all speaker terminals populated except “zone 2” terminals. The “surround back” terminals are used for height 2. For rca pre-out I have “surround back” from rz50 going to the external amplifier. These power the surround backs. I chose those since most content is 5.1 and those channels won’t always be in use. The power they receive is sufficient
@@cs.studios so would I be able to do 7.1.4 with this receiver if I also buy a 3 channel amp to power the LRC channel? And then have receiver power the other 4 channels (surround and surround back) plus the 4 height channels and subwoofer?
Great Review, just bought RZ50 and calibrated it with dirac live, speakers sound great. I have applied harman 10 curve too but it still lacked bass. After checking it did drop "subwoofer level" to -13 db, had to adjust in order to get better bass. Did you have to adjust that? Or speakers/sub levels were set correctly by dirac.
I noticed this too a few weeks ago and mine was also at -13. I raised it up and everything is much better now
I wish Onkyo would hurry up and start selling their products in the UK again. This amp is on my shopping list as soon as it is available here.
Yeah it’s unfortunate with the whole situation going on right now.
@@cs.studios , even Onkyo Europe can not give a date, annoying, but at least one bonus is that the longer they take the more bugs they might get out of any amp there sell. I just want to run all my equipment through a amp and be able to get 4k plus on the TV screen.
the RZ50 is available to re-order now in the UK
@@Chris-gt4ye YESSSSS, about time, just hope it won't be outdated a week later. I only want to upgrade because of the annoyingly stupid HDCP 2.2 issue
@@Chris-gt4ye Cheers for the info tonight. now just gone and spent £1500 I did not think I would be spending today. Wasnted this one for a long time and did not want to miss out if people suddenly jump on it when it arrives.
You can use the bass management system to boost the bass from the DRAC LIVE system, or get a mini DSP. The Onkyo might have a bass loudness button as well, or maybe adjust with manual EQ.
I used a +10db harman curve to improve the dirac live bass
Onkeyo for life
@@cs.studios how much did it improve the bass? As good as the Denon?
Great!!! Thank you for the details. Have you tried this with two subs?
Unfortunately I only have one sub right now
@@cs.studios thank you for the response. I am having 2 subs and and it detects 1 sub in the Dirac app.
If I remember correctly you need dirac live bass management to have two separate sub eqs. Onkyo TX-RZ50 has full dirac live but does not have the bass management module. I believe it’s a very expensive add on for dirac live users but we cannot get it. Maybe in the future Onkyo will allow it as a purchase option. The rumored RZ70 and RZ90 might have it as an option
U got it set up, why no follow up review on final verdict ? U still happy with the RZ50 performance when playing music?
Love it. It’s great for basically everything. I used dirac live to calibrate it. No issues. Will be keeping this for as long as it’s relevant
Did I read in the comments that you have an external amp added to the rz50? I have ordered the rz50 and want to use my bassx a3 for the front stage. I was hoping to connect the rest of my speakers to the rz50 to complete my 7.2.4 setup. Or will I still need another amp for my over heads.
I have the RZ50 plus a M-5010 amp. I have a 7.1.4 setup so you will be fine with one amp hooked up to your RZ50. I have my fronts, center, surrounds, height front and height back all powered by the RZ50. The M-5010 is powering my surround backs.
Do you like this unit better than your Denon x4700h? If so, what do you like about it? Is the sound better? I am returning my Denon and looking at this onkyo or the pioneer 505 model
I gave my brother my x4700h the day I recorded this video. So I like this better. I like the sound profile of the onkyo, the music sounds much better (my bass is back). No need for extra box to enable hdmi 2.1 features on xbox.
Does it have a similar dynamic volume feature found in Denon? I dont want the sound to suddenly go up depending on the scene.
I couldn’t find anything in this receiver equivalent to audessy dynamic volume. I believe some of the THX listening modes do have some sort of volume equalization.
@@cs.studios thanks!
How off is the sound when running the projector? As the speaker set up is geared towards the tv set up. Also willing to bet the drop down screen isn't acoustically transparent.
It’s not bad. There’s some room between everything. Mainly it just sounds lower so i turn up the volume. It’s not acoustically transparent but for now it’ll do.
Thanks for the reply
I'm awaiting my preorder of the RZ50.
I'm doing a reverse dual setup. My tv will raise infront of the projector screen. As I prefer the look of a fixed screen.
This way the tv viewing and projector viewing can utilize the same surround set up.
My biggest issue will be my center speaker being more forward then the L and R.
What r your thoughts on the Denon 3800 & 4800? They are suppose to have ALL 2.1 HDMI inputs and an option for /1
I’m glad they finally are true 2.1 receivers. My x4700h wasn’t bad but I prefer Onkyo
@@cs.studios thanks for your input. I think I will purchase the Onkyo RZ50 as you recommend. your channel is awesome!
Where were you able to find it? Shows sold out everywhere.
I preordered at AVScience July 1st. I barely received it like 3 weeks ago. Try checking onkyo and amazon they come and go
In the setup menu, can you change the speaker size from Large to Small? I did not see it in your video.
For large you set it to “full band” and for small you set the crossover frequency
@@cs.studios I set all my speakers to small even my tower speakers to small. I also set my cross over to 80hz.
Great video! I am currently deciding between those two models (4700 and RZ50) and I have totally opposite results to yours… the Denon to me is clearly better on music and the RZ50 feels better on movies 🤷🏻♂️ so I am trying to make the best decision as I do like to use AVR for music and on the Denon is much easier to have saved presets and change seamlessly between music and movies. On the Onkyo, need to manually adjust stuff for 2-channel music. I don’t want to make the wrong decision here 😅 How do you like the Onkyo thus far?
For me it’s a easy decision. After a couple of updates and modifying dirac live curve, the Onkyo is better at everything now. You can switch between presets using the knob or remote.
@@cs.studios Yeah, will need to play a bit more with Dirac. Regarding the presets, you can’t save a “profile” with various EQ/crossover/speaker levels settings on the Onkyo… I like to listen to 2-channel music with my towers on full-band and with a different SUB level than what I would do with movies. I have to change all those settings individually every time…
Can you power your main speaker with an external amp and the rest of the speaker with the receiver, including 4 Atmos?
The reason I ask is because with my Nad T758 V3 I need an exterior amp for the Atmos speaker. You can't power them internally.
I would assume so. Im powering my surround back with external amp and all other channels with onkyo tx-rz50. There are preout for all 9 channels on rz50
How do you like not having independent subwoofer control? I just got this receiver and it bothers me
To me, it is a deal breaker.
So after having the Onkyo Z50, for all these months, how does it compare to your Denon 4700 that you had?
I like my Onkyo way better. My brother still has the Denon. I like the sound I get from Onkyo better. And bring able to switch hdmi out from 1 and 2 at the press of a button is convenient on the onkyo when I switch from tv to projector.
I own a Denon 3700 and thinking about getting the Onkyo. Do you like it better due to Dirac or just the features on the Onkyo?
I like the onkyo better because of features, the sound profile, and also it has 3 full hdmi 2.1 ports vs 1 on my x4700h. Dirac isn’t the main reason. Even Onkyo’s AccuEQ sounds good
Looking where you got your receiver positioned, I hope you haven't got your speaker cables running with your power cable.
My wires are all close together but could you explain why you wouldn’t want them together
@@cs.studios one should always run power cables separately to any other type of cable especially the more susceptible high frequency signal running speaker cables, otherwise you're likely to pick up interference (hum noise)
If they have to cross, have them cross where they make minimum amount of contact! (90° angle) but the worst thing one can possibly do is have all the speakers bunched together with the power cable.
I posted a sound test video and you might be able to make out the lengths I go to to keep all my cables separate from one another but in my experience separating the power cables is an absolute must....
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Thanks so much for the info. I just got in ceiling speakers installed with the RZ-50. I am trying to setup a 7.1.4 atmos but I don't understand where to connect the 2nd height speakers. I only see connections for 1 pair of heights. I am using an ext 3 channel amp for the front 3. There is no sound coming out of the rear heights even though I connected them to the zone connections since its the only one left. I have surround and surround backs like you. Can you help me this? Thanks
I have my height 2 connected to “surround back” on the receiver. Then my surround back rca is going to my onkyo power amp. You can see my 7.1.4 video it should be the one before this onkyo receiver video. I recommend trying to connect everything to the receiver besides surround back like me and see if everything works first. Then from there you can try switching, maybe there’s a setting somewhere needing to be changed
@@cs.studios I appreciate you reaching out. After doing some digging, I discovered that with onkyo avrs and pioneer, they don't supply a 2nd height channel connection forcing you to give up a 7.1.4 and settle for a 5.1.4. I understand that you can plug an inexpensive 2 channel amp to the surr back preouts, which is what I had to do. The only bad thing is I already bought an ext amp, an Emotiva XPA 3 channel amp which cost as much as the RZ=50 to run my 3 front channels. I was following the advice of some expert reviewers, and they were right. That's exactly where you want to put the best quality amplification towards. Had I known this, I would have bought a 5 channel ext amp instead of a 3 channel. I was fooled because nowhere on any reviews did I here about this missing feature. All I heard was that to achieve a full 7.1.4 atmos with a 9.2 avr, you need an ext amp to make up the 2 missing channels. These guys I looked up, Plugged the ext amp to the front stage, leaving the avr to handle the light loaded channels. In conclusion, I had to buy a second ext less expensive amp for the surr backs. So I have 2 ext amps and 1 avr. Somewhere on those reviews, someone could have said something about this.
What speakers are you running? I’m running klipsch reference which aren’t high end by any means so for me the rz50 powers them perfectly. Were you finding you needed more power for the fronts? I have an SVS SB13-Ultra sub so for me the fronts don’t need to do much work in the lower frequencies.
@@cs.studios I am running emotiva airmotiv T2+ and C2+ that are 4 ohms. As for me, My 2nd ext amp which is emotiva basx A2m will arrive tomorrow. I am doing this once so I don't just want to put a bandaide. I have 2 rsl speedwooders mk 2. 4 rsl in ceiling speakers. For the surrounds, I left what I had which were def tech pro moniter 1000s for surr and surr backs. Rz-5-, Emotiva XPA 3 channel amp, and the 2nd amp emotiva basx A2m. I paid $325 for this one. I would have paid close to the same thing, if I got an Xpa 5 channel but it would have been much better quality and all in the same unit. Now I have to have yet another component to make room for.
@@josefernandez2722
You’re overthinking it, you only need an amp to drive the extra channels.
The AVR could handle all the rest.
Does the 3 HDMI outputs acts as a matrix, splitter and switcher? or one can only view one output at a time?
There’s two hdmi output. You can do either same output to both which is what I do, or you can do independent output where output 1 let’s say display hdmi 1 and output 2 displays hdmi 2, etc.
@@cs.studios thank you. My other question that have been bugging me, its written 8K sub, 4K zone 2. what does that mean? when or at what circumstances will the signal drop to 4K?
It will do 8K to both outputs as long as you are outputting the same source. If you have two different sources going to two different outputs then it will drop to 4K
Hi... Does it have better sound then the 4700 denon?
In my opinion, yes
Is this a 9.2 surround sound, i.e. has 2 subwoofers running from it? Is that possible with this one? As I see on some websites it states it 9.2... I'm a bit confused?
Yes two sub outputs in the back
@@cs.studios Great thanks for confirming and if I use Dirac Live upgrade, it should seed 2 separate subwoofers right? So if I had a 5.2 system, Dirac would see 5 speakers, and 2 separate subwoofers? In all 7 separate speakers in Dirac? Just making sure about this before I purchase, you've been really helpful 🙂
Both subwoofers will seen as one. So they won’t be independently calibrated. You’d need another device that can split them
Does It Show SVS Speakers In The Menu?
Unfortunately no
You never mentioned the E arc hdmi
Nice Video, however The results of Dirac and Audyssey have different targets, apparantly with Dirac you can choose for a "wide sweetspot" which is a contradiction in and by itself, while Audyssey just goes for a tight sweetspot. It is recommended to not move the mic more than 2feet from the MLP, no matter how many measurements you take. Going by that same logic, you may get a much better result with Dirac if you follow the same logic, to try and cover a whole couch is IMHO already pushing it.
I tried both and there doesn’t seem to be a huge difference. What made things better was applying a +10db harman curve in dirac. Now it sounds better
Dirac is far superior to xt32 and I was a huge Denon and Audyssey fanboy. Not any more
@@shaolin95 no matter what system you prefer, you need to 1st place speakers optimally, 2 have a half decent room) and 3 know what you are doing. The more things are off , the more versatile Dirac is, no doubt, that is, again, if you know what you're doing, which excludes 90% of the commenters here from being able to Dirac a system to its fullest potential. I had a good sounding system go to an excellent sounding one by just Audysseying it. But my room is a perfect rectangle with no weird angles and all speakers are placed inch perfect. That alone will do more than any calibration can. The calibration is just the Cherry on top. I am no-ones fanboy.
oh snap! i am replacing my 838!!!
I can't find the RZ50 anywhere. The RZ70 will be out before the RZ50 is available..
I pre-ordered July 1st and made it into the 2nd shipment. Both Onkyo’s website and Amazon had them at least twice in stock since my pre-order. I recommend checking those two sites every now and then and you may get lucky. RZ70/90 will probably have same issue with several months of no stock.
Look into the Pioneer Elite VSX-LX505. Pioneer and Onkyo share the same parent company. A glance at the back of both the RZ-50 and LX505 will show their similarities are more than skin deep. They do differ on some features, but worth looking into, as the RZ-50 will be scarce for quite some time, the LX505 is readily available now.
This is another option. Although personally I prefer the looks of the Onkyo. They are hard to find but if you search amazon and onkyo website you’ll see them in stock every now and then. They just sell out is all. There were two other websites they were available a few weeks ago. I’d do a google shopping search for the receiver to find it when they are available
Sir marantz sr6015 vs onkyo rz 50 which is best
SR6015 looks like my old X4700H in terms of HDMI. Only one true HDMI 2.1 port. Rest are 2.0. On Onkyo TX-RX50 there’s 3 true HDMI 2.1 inputs so I’d take RZ50
Your video monitor is so smallest for this system sir, a12'X7' projector screen is highly suitable for this.
I have a 125” projector screen and epson 4010 projector. It’s electronic so in the video you can barely see it on the ceiling at 5:16 🙃
but I wonder if this wonderful device plays an USB flash drive with video ...?
Or just for audio?
But what about modern devices...? Which one has this option...? especially stream .MKV formats...
It can only play audio files from usb not video files
@@cs.studios appreciate !
it means why easy, when difficult possible....
how do you connect ur PC to the receiver??
Hdmi cable lol
Onkyo is a very sucessful company with great products !
But why are this receivers so rare ? Why don't they push out millions of parts ??
I cannot buy it anywhere in Germany...
I think it has to do more with chip shortage. Also EU got the receiver much later too
You Can drive 7 Channel on reference levels?
I probably can do -9db before it gets too uncomfortable. I sit 9 ft away from the speakers lol. But the receiver does a good job powering even at reference levels
@@cs.studios Do you feel any signs of strain?
No everything is smooth. I’m also using dirac live calibration which makes thing better and more balanced
@@cs.studios Last question, do you feel that's a legit upgrade in terms of audio performance from the 4700H?
Dirac vs audussey which one is best
I prefer Dirac
So we play mario party w that?😂
Yup 😏 so nice to see my gf watching my videos 😍 not even my wife watches them 🥺
I didn't see a subwoofer output in the back panel!
There’s a sub out. There’s 2 but they are not independent
How did you manage to buy this ???
I pre-ordered on July 1st from AVScience and received it in December. People who pre-ordered June 30th got theirs in August.
@@cs.studios ok.thans 😩
Какая диагональ у вашего телевизора?
телевизор 140см
Are you still happy with it?
Yup!
Seems a bit much for the speakers set you have but I guess if you want the best of the best lol
Could you explain how my receiver is too much for my speakers? The receiver actually needed an amplifier as well to be able to power all 11 speakers. Also curious what you’re running, always nice to see what other people use. Can’t tell from the thumbnail. 👀
@@cs.studios klipsch speakers are extremely sensitive and don’t need much juice to run at all if you didn’t have 11 speakers you could get by with a 6100 and they would run fine i have svs and rythmik
I did the same. I wanted speaker headroom so i went for an amp to power my klipsch LCR. But my surrounds arent klipsch. Sides are 3-way infinity towers and heights are 4 svs prime elevations. So i went ahead and did the external amp, and it definately makes a difference. Plus its good for longevity of your receiver, so i viewed the extra power/upgrade as an investment to my system's performance and longevity. Granted I dont blast my system, i probably use 10% of rated power. But the system performs much better and equipment runs less hot.
Can't buy it in Europe yet
Yeah unfortunately. Hopefully supply improves this year
Wait, your’s has 11 speaker terminals, but on Amazon and other places the RZ50 only shows 9 ????
It's 9.2 but u have to add a 2 channel external amp for 11.2 surround.
@@AnticRecovery still doesn’t answer why yours has 11 but the photos on many RZ50 ads show only 9 (they list the ability to process 11.2, but the photos are different than yours, as yours has 2 more sets of speaker terminals)
@@AnticRecovery I have the pioneer elite vsx-lx505 (almost the same receiver, just $100 more) but can’t change the crossover frequencies individually…. It’s a global crossover for all speakers set to “small”. RZ50 allows independent crossovers…that’s the only difference I know of, aside from the extra $100 for the pioneer… would you consider the rz50 an upgrade even though it is cheaper?
You can only use 9 terminals for main output. The last two are for zone 3. So this is why I am running a M-5010 amplifier for last 2 channels
I personally like Onkyo over Pioneer despite them being almost the same.
Hello great review compared Dirac to accu be honest I think the sound on the accu was way better the Dirac. Accu sound is great with the bass it gave it a sound that demon 3700 didn’t do
I tried the +6 harman curve and I can say accueq is definitely best for music. The bass is much better from my sub and fronts. Dirac is very good for movies but I may try the full multipoint calibration from accueq and see how it sounds
@@cs.studios +6dB isn’t enough if you’re not listening close to reference levels
I tried +10 and it’s better but still not the same as AccuEQ. 10db did a very good job though and I’m gonna run this for awhile
Price now?
$1230-1299 these days
You are very handsome and look like be friendly.
Thank you~~^^
Thanks for the video! But I think you should make your room better before calibrating with Dirac. Like move the system out from the side wall. And move surround speakers down. Why do you have all the surround and atmos up at the ceiling in the back? Move the center channel out because the way you have it setup will reflect sound badly on the tv bench. Also that center does not go down to 80hz so why would you set it to 80hz? Sorry but changing this would result in so much better sound. You can also invest in some acoustic treatments that will make the sound even better :)
When I move to a new place ima go crazy and build a dedicated theater room hopefully. For now gotta have all these compromises
@@cs.studios Sounds good 👌🏼
You must be messing something up because diraxc is far better than xt32 for movies and I was a huge Denon fanboy with xt32
There was an update for dirac live a few days after I published the video. As of 12/2022 it sounds better in every single genre including movies/gaming over the denon
I have listened to these latest models from Onkyo and I have got the very first network generation the TX and r609 and 579 and I have to say they both incorporate Odyssey which absolutely destroys any new version of room correction at all that is why Denon and Moran's use it and more than likely outsell Onkyo
Excellent video
And for the last 10 years I have never used a subwoofer I have floor standing front speakers but not very expensive have you tried putting the crossover frequency to the lower number on the front speakers or even bypass or even full band that will make sure that your fronts are getting the full power excellent video
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You have more makeup than my girlfriend!!!
OH my God its not pronounced den-ON
aaaahhhhh
So how’s it pronounced? I used to call it “dee-non” then someone “corrected” me 😏
In Sweden we say den-on 💪
NO! PIONEER IS BEST!
Pioneer and Onkyo actually owned by same company. Their new receivers are also very similar to the onkyo