If Obi-Wan, Anakin, Bane and Zannah met each other in a master-apprentice tag-team duel, who would come out on top? 0:00 - Introduction 2:45 - Round 1: Physical Abilities 7:43 - Round 2: Force Abilities 17:11 - Round 3: Dueling Abilities 29:24 - The Verdict Check out the Star Wars Versus Series ua-cam.com/video/syRAP2YOUxI/v-deo.html Check out the Which Series! ua-cam.com/play/PLDFq63aBi3_yGAJNwozcKYs0OfmgMiqu-.html
Antoine Bandele I have a fight suggestion *Drum Roll* ...Anakin vs Revan Anakin from Ep III before turning to the Darkside & Revan before his light and darkness separated.
In my opinion this could go one of two ways. 1. Annakin vs Zannah and Obi-Wan vs Bane: Annakin gets literally mind fucked by Zannah, but only if he isn't able to take her out with his superior ability with the blade (if he can, then he and Obi-Wan win)and Obi-Wan falls to the combined might of Bane and Zannah. 2. Annakin vs Bane and Obi-Wan vs Zannah: Annakin and Bane fight each other to a stalemate while Obi-Wan defeats Zannah, although his win isn't quite as fast as Zannah`s win against Annakin would be. Then Annakin and Obi-Wan`s combined teamwork take down Bane. I believe Obi-Wan would notice Zannah trying to probe his mind. He's smart, and would never allow his apprentice to fight this opponent. The real question is which outcome is most likely, and I believe it's the second. Annakin, being Annakin, would rush to fight the one he deems the more powerful fighter, and that would be Bane. Obi-Wan is superior to Zannah in every way in my opinion, and he would not let Annakin fight Zannah when he recognizes what she is attempting to do to him. Too long didn't read? I disagree with your outcome hapoening. Although I do agree it is a possible outcome, I don't believe it is the most likely. Great video either way.
DLWF Exactly. I think Antoine treated this team fight too much like a 1v1 and a 1v1 rather than a 2v2. Teamwork is very important, and I doubt there's any argument against Obi-Wan and Anakin having the better teamwork right?
However there is no guarantee that Kenobi would beat zannah. She beat a powerful Jedi who was at least comparable to Kenobi with bladework offensively. Furthermore that Jedi did not have any obvious flaws to use sorcery against and yet it still works. Kenobi would have had no experience with this whole that Jedi is more likely to have come across it as he would have fought in the war a few years prior. Also zannah would have been more powerful in dynasty of evil than in that book as it was a few years after
I have only one qualm. We’ve seen how Anakin reacts to his inner demons coming forth. HE GETS MAD, Zanna’s spells, I believe, would just trigger a rage state in Anakin.
Anakin has never faced his inner demons like that except ones with the son of Mortis. It distracted him for a good while, long enough for Zannah to kill him several times over
Fair enough, I suppose Zannah's sorcery would be a far more intense thing than we've ever seen him handle. I still think that it might provoke a rage in him, letting him overpower Zannah, but I can accept that he would be off balanced long enough for a fatal blow. I never watched much of TCW, it never really grabbed me, but I suppose I should get around to before trying to debate points like this.
If you saw the Mortis arc, you'd see for that... what, a solid minute or two Anakin basically breaks down as he sees everything he's done and will do. It wouldn't be as strong as that, as it wouldn't show the future, but it'd let you get more than a few cuts and stabs in before Anakin even began to recover
read the books Zannahs sorcery is stronger than anything from CW, She used ancient Sith Sorcery that could even break Bane when he had at this point conqoured his demons Not to mention Sith Sorcery works different to just 'raising inner demons' its more like trapping someone in their mind with their demons and fears. If zannahs opponent has anything in their mind she can sense it they are doomed no question about it. and honestly Zannahs perfects opponent would be Anakin no doubt about it she would utterly crush him within seconds
I don't think you're giving Kenobi enough credit for his tactical prowess when it comes to match ups. Wouldn't Kenobi recognize Zannah's abilities to defeat Anakin if she attempted it on Kenobi in the first place? It's not like Kenobi isn't aware of Anakin being mentally manipulable, such as when he rushed Dooku in their first encounter in anger.
tbf though banes tactical showings are also very impressive, Zannah herself is strategic as her fighting style relies on holding until she can find an opening. anakin is the only one without any real strategic use in a duel
If Obi-Wan fought Zannah first and proved able to defend against her probing, would this not give him enough leverage to deduce it likely isn't the best idea to send Anakin against her? I assume that if she uses her abilities against Obi-Wan and fails that he probably will end up throwing together a theory or two about what it was she was doing - after all, mind tricks aren't unknown in the era of Obi-Wan/Anakin.
SchwiegerH Kenobi may have assumed that Zannah's mental probing was just that: probing. Perhaps he believed that she would use any information that she found in Dun Möch tactics, which don't really effect him at all. He's inexperienced with Sith Sorcery but he also doesn't offer anything that would emotionally compromise him. Furthermore, I don't think that he's powerful enough to block her probes while at the same time look into her mind. Zannah does not have a weak mind, so any attempt to probe hers would also not result in anything.
Antoine Bandele however true that may be he would know of zannah’s spell effect therefore knowing that it could be a really big screw up if he switched it up therefore he wouldn’t, plus I believe you give zannahs defense too much credit against obi wan because I believe based off of everything I know obi wan would be able to quickly pickup on zannahs technique and best know how to counter it since he’s pretty much the master of soresu there fore leading to a team Jedi victory
A top-quality video as always, but I disagree with the outcome and your stance on Zannah's mind probing vs. Anakin. The way I see it, dredging up Anakin's fears and memories would go very similarly to how her spells would work against Darth Vader: There'd be a short interval where he'd be down for the count, but those fears and memories would fuel his anger and his fury and he would use that to overpower Zannah. While Anakin would be down longer from her sorcery than Vader would, he'd still tap into his Dark Side power and crush her. From there, Anakin and Obi-Wan's battlefield chemistry and combined strength would win them the day against Bane.
But that's just it, you're pointing it out yourself. What Zannah is doing is applying an opening. She's not going to try and completely dominate his mind like she did with Set Harth or the other no-names. She'd use it as a rouse, similar to how Anakin and Vader use loose material to distract their opponents. All Zannah needs is that moment to subvert Anakin's guard.
You make a good point, but what you're saying relies on Zannah being able to capitalize on the opening before Anakin can beat the shit out of her. I don't think she'd be able to do that, especially when she finds all the juicy bits of pain and fear floating around in his head and decides to dredge them all up, which would only serve to make Anakin go full-on Vader on her like he did against Barriss Offee in the Jedi Temple.
I'd personally see the mental attacks on Anakin as an unknown double-edged sword. Every time Anakin finds himself in anguish, what does he do? Lash out with a tremendous amount of anger. I'd say that her mental attacks would not give enough of an opening for a kill, but one to knock him back and try to disrupt him more for the kill. Anakin and the like can use loose material mid-fight to create openings in the midst of fighting. The way you put it, Zannah actively needs an opening, albeit a small one, to make use of that ability. There's also the fact that you said Obi would have them switch which I doubt would be done so carelessly. If she tried to probe Obi-Wan's mind, he would be aware and would know Anakin should not face her. The man was a general during the war, he knows tactically, Zannah is Anakin's weakness. If they did switch, he would at least make Anakin aware.
MIKEY jesus, why do you all NOT GET IT ffs. Zannah trained in lightsaber combat with Bane. Bane uses a FAR more ferocious style of Djem So. Zannah was used to fight against this kind of combatant because of the regular training she had. She mastered Form III Soresu and was more than just a capable fighter. What she needed was just a very brief moment to cast her spell. If she could do that in her last fight against Bane, she certainly could do it vs Anakin. So thinking she wouldnt find an opening is just dumb and wrong.
When you really think about it, Anakin trains against literal Soresu perfection. Zannah won't have the time to employ a mind probe because she'll be too busy getting pummeled by Anakin, who's trained against a far superior version of Zannah's Soresu. It won't take Anakin long to figure out how Zannah's defense cycle goes.
Completely agree, Zannahs spells would definitely mess Anakin up big time, she would pour sand all over his dead mother and make padme a slave. So many things she could use against Anakin. I'm wondering if she were to know about Obi wans past relationship with( I can't remember her name but I think she was political) along with visions of Qui Gons death could affect him too. Great video, really enjoyed it
This was such an awesome Versus matchup (and quite the hard one tbh lol) truly this was the fight of the Century Antoine can't wait for the next video :)
Gotta disagree skywalker would have overpowered zahanna or if he couldn't its highly likely kenobi would have sensed anikan's emotional shift and jumped from bane and threw zhanna or blocked her to give skywalker the time to recover These two have worked together for ever and them suddenly not doesnt make sense
I don't see Kenobi controlling his engagement with Bane so effectively where he could turn his back and start helping Anakin (I mean, unless Kenobi wants his back burnt by Force lightning).
Damon Wade there isn't much Kenobi could do to be honest. If Anakin cannot take Zannah, they lose. Kenobi would be so incredibly hard pressed by Bane he might break himself.
If Obi-Wan can't control Bane well enough to break away and momentarily support Anakin, how can Zannah control Anakin well enough to concentrate on a force attack? If the defensive Zannah only needs a moment's opportunity to kill Anakin, how does the offensive Anakin not take advantage of the momentarily lessened defense of Zannah when she goes for the force attack? Also, why would the Jedi, with the better team dynamic, opt for individual battles rather than working together? Why would the spatially and situationally aware Kenobi be outmaneuvered so easily?
Deusmortis those are two very different scenarios. Obi wan breaking away from his own fight isn't the same as zannah focusing on hers singularly. I'm not sure why they'd work together. Through the time as partners they usually only work together against one opponent but with two they very well might split up.
Woah.Woah. Wait. And Kenobi grabbing up Anakin's lightsaber and going offensive typhoon like he did in the Clone Wars doesn't factor in? Come on dude. I also believe that Anakin would stomp a mud-hole through Zannah before she knew what hit her.
Kenobi has shown a fantastic offensive output with two sabers in the Republic comics. After being tortured for over a month while in his pre-prime, he fights through 20 armed guards and defeats Ventress. Defeating Ventress, while at a state notably under his performance at the time of this hypothetical match-up is set shows that he should at least contend with Bane and Zannah for a brief time while using Jar'Kai. Of course, Ventress is not Bane, but Obi was not at his prime and was physically and psychologically hindered while defeating VENTRESS, someone on about the same level as Hannah (I know you share this opinion from your Ventress vs. Zannah video).
yea does anyone remember when adi gallia was killed by savage obi wan forced her lightsaber to him and at an extremely close quarters duel with 2 lightsaber vs Maul prime and Savage Prime he over powered both of them because of his focused anger i think he would easily hold on zannah and bane even if it did happen. 18 strikes per second is much faster than what zannah and bane could do combined
they were still two tanks pressing obi wan and i didnt say 8 i said 18 and if bane did that he wasnt hit the rain, he was just blocking it it has nothing to do with his attacks, it just means hes fast as fuck boi. obi wan is faster than people give him credit for and even more of anakin even anakin was by no means a dumb duelist. He was one of the best tacticians in the jedi order behind kenobi and if obi wan can block 18 strikes per second having the force control him im sure he could do even better if he lets the force control him again
Darth Malgus vs Plo Koon. Lord Voldemort vs Mother Talzin. Darth Maul vs Shaak Ti. Qui Gon Jinn vs Tholme. Luke Skywalker vs Kit Fisto. Luminara Unduli vs Aayla Secura. Ahsoka Tano (Rebels) vs Asajj Ventress. Darth Plagueis vs Darth Andeddu Darth Wyyrlok III vs Wolfe Karkko.
+Bruce Jedi Lee These are great matchups. Here are my current bets. Malgus, Talzin?, Jinn, which Luke? Because basically any incarnation except ROTJ stomps, Luminara, Rebels Tano (even though the inconsistencies cause great rage in me), Plague, Wyyrlok because lightsaber combat of all things. Karkko and Wyyrlok cancel out everything they other do in force abilities and Wyyrlok's ability to briefly contend with Darth Krayt is way better than Volfe contending with Battle meditation Vos.
After watching this video, I found there were a lot of things I agreed with and others where I disagreed. The first thing I would like to address, I agree if Anakin fights Zannah and Obi-Wan fights Bane, Anakin is totally screwed, though I do think there's a chance that Zannah's spells could trigger a rage within Anakin that would be a lot like Ryu from Street Fighter giving in to his Raging Demon. However, for the sake of argument, I will say that I do agree that Zannah's spells will be useful against Anakin and have great potential to finish him. On the other hand, if Obi-Wan were to fight Zannah at the start of the fight while Anakin fights Bane, I have more faith in Obi-Wan bringing down Zannah for good. I also think it would be likely that she'd try to use her Force magic on Kenobi and fail to hinder him, and when she does this, he'd choose to keep fighting her until he's beaten her. And since Anakin has shown he can hold out in a marathon fight, I see him and Bane remaining in a deadlock until either Obi-Wan or Zannah fell, with Zannah the more likely to go down first. The part that I disagree with completely is that I don't see a switch happening at all. That feels more like a rookie mistake to make against Bane and Zannah. So, do I think Bane and Zannah can win? Yes, but only if the fight starts with Anakin challenging Zannah while Obi-Wan tries to hold off Bane. But if it's reversed, I don't see Obi-Wan recommending to Anakin that they switch targets and would elect to finish Zannah himself, which I feel is the wiser decision for the Jedi. In conclusion, to me, this is a 50-50 split, as it all depends on the different pairings. Bane and Zannah will win if it's Bane vs Obi-Wan and Zannah vs Anakin, but the Jedi heroes will win if it's the reverse. But either way, the apprentice will always go down first, and then the master will follow.
One issue is there is no guarantee that she would fall to hinder Kenobi. She drove bane to his knees in their fight with sorcery. Furthermore she does have some adeptitue with other sith powers which Kenobi had shown to be well too. The issue I have with using zannah in any match is there is actually very little info on her fighting art this level except against a true master. It's very difficult to actually judge whether or not she would have been able to affect Kenobi as she is even more powerful than she was in the previous book where she crippled and killed a Jedi with her powers. Also there was no suggestion that the Jedi she did kill was particularly vulnerable to such powers and she beat him anyway
All these people saying that Zannah's spell might "trigger a rage within Anakin" or something similar just make me sick. Either you haven't read the Bane trilogy and therefore have no clue how her ability works, or you simply dont get it for whatever reason. Like Antoine said: Zannah's spell is super effective against Anakin and there is NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST THAT. Get over it.
Disagree with the assessment of Anakin vs Bane and Zannah vs Kenobi. *First of all, it is clear that Anakin vs Bane would end first.* Honestly, that is obvious beyond belief. *Both Zannah's and Kenobi's styles are primarly defensive* and both are excellent in this department (I believe Obi-Wan is slightly better but not by much). They are both clever fighters and excellent at surviving. It's hard to say who wins a long battle of constitution between the two (probably Obi-Wan). A lot of people say that Zannah lacks offensive output but honestly I've seen little evidence of this. She certainly employs a lot of offensive moves against people like Set Harth (who is admittedly way worse than Kenobi) using Ataru to a much greater degree than Obi-Wan. She was defensive against the hyper-agressive Bane, much like how Obi-wan was defensive in his duel vs Anakin on Mustafar and I would honestly argue that her offensive output is comparable if not better than Obi-Wan's. But anyway, neither is good enough to break through the other's defence anytime soon. (Also, just a sidenote, Zannah is a similar (but superior) opponent to Ventress who, while never really giving Anakin+Kenobi a real run for their money, at least survived several encounters with them and Zannah is more defensive whilst being similarly acrobatic/evasive) So really, what it will be is Anakin or Bane beating the other and overwhelming the remaining member of the opposing team (although I'm not even entirely convinced that Anakin and Obi-Wan would necessarily beat Bane since I rate Bane over Dooku and, as a team, the pair had a poor performance against Dooku whose downfall came about by goading Anakin into using the Dark Side+Overconfidence+Old Age/Lack of strength which will not be the same for Bane since Bane is both smart and strong. They probably, maybe take majority vs Bane but not guaranteed majority. Btw Obi will also survive for a long time vs Bane+Zannah too). Anyway, Bane is smarter, more nuanced, more knowledgable than Anakin (knows all the forms etc), has had many more years of practice and is roughly comparable in force power (even though Anakin's potential power is greater, Bane's practiced use of the force probably even gives him an edge). Yes Anakin is battle-hardened but the majority of those battles were against blaster-wielding foes. If you only count the movies, he's been in less 'real' lightsaber conflicts than Bane (technically true, even if you don't count the training duels at the Sith Academy which were real enough so that people died in them). If you accept Clone Wars in all of its flawed glory, then yes Anakin has been in a lot of duels, though many were against Ventress who is of far lower calibre than anyone fighting here, but Bane's training and years of practice, in my mind, still come out on top; particularly the harsh, combat-1v1-oriented training at the Sith Academy, not to mention the holocrons he's learned from. (btw, if you talk about this being a team battle instead of 2 1v1s then you have to admit that, whatever he does, Anakin is not evading Zannah's sorcery and that Zannah will attack both with her power before concentrating it all on Anakin who is weaker to it) *tl;dr Bane vs Anakin will end centuries before the Zannah vs Obi-Wan fight does. Bane comes out on top and Obi will eventually fall to Bane+Zannah.*
I say that you VASTLY underestimate Anakin's willpower in this matchup, not only do you overlook the fact that he was able to overwhelm Dooku with only some of his fury after Obi Wan was knocked out, but he also did it without his master and 0 encouragement from Sidious. Excerpt: Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room, each block aged him a decade he no longer even tried to strike back, force exhaustion had closed down his perception drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him, he dimly sensed stairs at his back stairs that led up to the entrance balcony, he retreated up them using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly, ferocious and even now he was holding himself back, even now as he landed at Dooku's flank and reigned blows upon the Sith Lord's defences even as he drove Dooku backwards step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will. Wouldn't it be safe to assume he could do something similar to his fear and anguish should Zannah get to him mentally, because Dooku is more level headed than Zannah will ever be and if he couldn't break Anakin's control what hope did Zannah have?
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex. There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day. No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second. However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
Yes that makes sense, but the way you describe Anakin in this matchup you'd think he'd mentally break every time he saw someone he loved injured but this isn't true because if it was he'd have broken down crying in AOTC resulting in his own and Kenobi's deaths and if he didn't there in ROTS when Kenobi was knocked out he would've done something similar, the only people he could ever have that hypothetical reaction to are Padmé Skywalker and his mother and neither of them are near this battle so his fears are merely limited to Obi Wan Kenobi who he has fought on without plenty of times
@@andrewstokes6623 when Anakin encounters he goes batshit when his mother died he slaughtered the sand people when she uses that spell he will batshit , the spell would work very she will just wish it didn't
ahmad abdul-ghaffar ur not understanding how her spells work it doesn’t make him mad it drives him mad theirs a difference considering palpatine had him abt to kill the very woman he’d been trying to save I think sith sorcery especially against ROTS Anakin is a very good bet
Can't help but feel like Zannah's initial probes of Anakin's mind would do nothing more than stir him up and ultimately he'd finish her off similarly to how he did with Ventress in the original Clone Wars cartoon.
This is wierd but this could be cool Do a Star Wars hunger games Set this up in a large open area where they are only given their weapons, armor and wits and they struggle for food shelter and other stuff(just like the hunger games) and you could go through and basically say who you think would win the Star Wars hunger games and why Obviously it's Everyone for themselves...but characters would create alliances but some would betray them and I think it would be crazy and would love to see who you think would win I would have to go with Sidious tbh
I'm calling Anakin and Obi-Wan What? How? It wouldn't have Anakin killed it would push him harder and with more anger. He would have destroyed Zahana. As we've seen many times when promoted with visions or anything that would put his wife in danger he basically becomes a juggernaut at most it would be a second or two not several.
Zannah's spells aren't just an I'm-going-to-make-you-pissed-off power. It employs mind shard, which causes physical pain through the mind. All Zannah would need is a split second for Anakin to clutch at his head or wince from that pain to slice him through. The second part of her ability is the memory walk, where Zannah will pull at all of Anakin's inner demons. And the third aspect of her spells is Horror, which elicits fear. Zannah's ability only needs to work a few seconds. It doesn't need to be indefinite. While she can make much weaker people go completely mad, I don't think she'd do that to Anakin. But she can stop, in my opinion, Anakin long enough for her to capitalize on an opening, just as she did against Sarro Xaj. However, if she does not jump on that opening, or is altogether unsuccessful, then yes, Anakin would achieve a rage amp on par with what he did against Dooku and what within the Knightfall Operation (as highlighted in the video).
Antoine Bandele I do agree that he would die, just not in the way you explained it. I feel more along the lines of she uses the ability to help blind him in his rage while her master comes in behind for a quick swoop in the back. I haven't been able to read qnything about Zahana and her powers or bane. I can't find any of the books anywhere and it posses me off because I sound really ignorant when in trying to say something about bane or zanaha. My school is a getting new star wars book soon so maybe they'll be their. Thanks for the reply and explanation. I couldn't watch the whole video until now, first I'm replying then I watching it, keep up the great work man :)
You could try ordering them off amazon. The Darth Bane trilogy are Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil. They're good books, I recommend them. As to the Sith Sorcery, I see it as roughly a 50/50 chance that it succeeds. In D&D terms, it depends on whether Anakin fails his Will save. If he succeeds, Zannah's wasted her turn and Anakin attacks back. If it succeeds, Anakin is stunned for a round, and Zannah gets a free attack.
Here is how it was applied against Bane (who knew full-well what Zannah was capable of, mind you). "Then the knife exploded, sending a million burning shards in every direction. Each one burrowed into his subconscious, seeking out buried fears and nightmares only to rip them free and haul them to the surface. Bane let out a scream and dropped to his knees. When he stood up the sky was thick with a swarm of flying horrors. Their wings were torn and ragged, leather flaps of skin hanging from exposed bone. Their bodies were small and malformed, their twisted legs ending in long, sharp talons. Their flesh was a sickly yellow: the same color as the faces of the miners who had died on Apatros after being trapped in a gas-filled chamber. Their features were inhuman, but their burning eyes were unmistakable: each creature was staring at him with the hate-filled gaze of his abusive father. As one, they swooped down on him, their mouths screeching out a cry that sounded like his father's name: hurst, hurst, hurst!"
A great match up and great battle, though I slightly disagree with the verdict. As this is a 2v2 it is extremely complicated and a hard battle to work out, so I am going to go through what I think would happen. In the early stage of the battle I see it going much like the way you said, except I don't see a early victory for either. I have one thing to add, as Zannah is not under a lot of pressure from Kenobi I think she would test the waters with her sorcery, achieving nothing against him. I would see this ending with a 0/0. In the middle stage is where some differences would be observed in my battle, which is I don't think a switch would happen, Kenobi while not knowing exactly what Zannah was doing he surely would of sensed a mental probe and attempt on his mind, knowing Anakin was a little unstable he would not switch in my opinion. On the other side of the field Anakin and Bane are fighting it up and the same is true for Zannah and Kenobi, Zannah could try to refocus and try and do a attack against Anakin, however this could be risky, as the second or 2 it takes to gather her focus against Anakin would leave her open to attack, seeing this I actually see this as a 50/50 chance she will try something against Anakin. If she does then I see her falling soon after, though the spell would more then likely go off, it would of left enough of a gap in her defence for Kenobi to exploit and kill her, however with Anakin, well that second is all it would of took for Bane to finish him off. However if it goes the other way, if she decides it is too risky, then the battle will continue on Kenobi vs Zannah with neither side gaining a advantage. On Bane vs Anakin if the sorcery didn't go of I see something interesting happening, Bane sensing Djem so isn't working would switch to his more aggressive version with Juyo, with this no immediate victory is won as again neither side take a advantage. For this round I see this going 2/2 for them both, while in one version neither side got a advantage in the other, both side lost the apprentice, so we will see how this plays out. In the late stage there are two possible ways for them to lead up here, with all 4 still alive or Bane and Kenobi fighting each other. Let us first see what will happen if all 4 still alive. this is where it gets interesting, personally I see Bane falling to Anakin, I think his Stamina would finally run out after he uses Juyo for a extensive period of time and Anakin with this being one of the hardest fights he has ever done, would reach his pinnacle, just as he did with Dooku or possible even further. Once this is done, He would go and help Kenobi against Zannah, and she wouldn't stand much of a chance, she would be tired just as all of them would be and even if she got of a spell against Anakin, Kenobi would be able to defend him while he recovered, eventually resulting in her defeat. If Kenobi and Bane was the only ones left this is how I would see it going, Bane would run up to him and as the battle goes on Bane will realise that he will lose eventually as even with his more defensive style, he is too tired from fighting Anakin and he can't penetrate Kenobi's defence, because of this he would fall upon his force powers, lightning and force choke, if Kenobi could withstand this he would eventually win, however I don't think he would be able to and will die, with Bane the sole victor. I see this going 5/5 and purely based on circumstance, would Zannah risk a spell on Anakin while fighting Kenobi? I honestly am unsure. If you got any criticism let me know!
Personally I believe that zannah would only cause Anakin to explode emotionally with her use of madness, effectively boosting Anakin to one of his incredible feats rather than crippling him.. but good analysis all the same
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex. There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day. "Opening herself up to the power of the dark side, Zannah reached out and touched the mind of her Master. * * * Bane sensed the attack, bracing himself. He had encouraged Zannah's training in Sith sorcery, knowing she might very well use it against him one day. If it turned out he wasn't strong enough to survive, then he wasn't worthy of being the Dark Lord of the Sith. That didn't mean he was unprepared, however. Dark side sorcery was complex; it attacked the psyche in ways that were difficult to explain and even more difficult to defend against. Bane had no talent for it, yet he had done his best to study the techniques. What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will. Zannah's assault began as a sharp pain in his skull, like a hot knife stabbing directly into his brain before carving down to slice the two hemispheres in half. Then the knife exploded, sending a million burning shards in every direction. Each one burrowed into his subconscious, seeking out buried fears and nightmares only to rip them free and haul them to the surface. Bane let out a scream and dropped to his knees." _Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil - Chapter 26_ No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second. However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
I honestly disagree that Bane & Kenobi would be "too close to call" in terms of a lightsaber duel. Rather, I believe that Bane would take the upper hand against Obi Wan. As you said, Bane & Anakin are roughly equal, & had it not been for dark-side Anakin's arrogance, he would've likely defeated Obi Wan on Mustafar, as he just looked all-around better than him during that duel. Not only is Bane also a Djem So master & roughly equal to Anakin regarding strength & speed, but he's too smart to allow the same type of arrogance to get the better of him. Essentially, Bane would be a more mature, commonsensical version of Anakin, & therefore wouldn't fall for Obi Wan's "high ground" as Anakin did, or any of his other tricks.
I disagree that Anakin looked better as a duelist. A fighter relentlessly being aggressive does NOT mean they’re the better fighter. Ask Floyd Mayweather.
This whole outcome depends on Zannah's ability to attack Anakin mentally. I feel like if she starts her dirty deeds before she and Anakin close to saber range then she has a good chance of succeeding of getting in his head and distracting him enough to get a strike in. However... once the blades start swinging I doubt she would be able to make her attack without taking some focus away fro. Her blade work and at that point Anakin breaks through her defense and kills her.
That's the next team battle. And to Joshua, that is very, very silly, especially when examining *Darth* Revan (who is a ridiculously overrated character).
Antoine Bandele well it would depend on what time set we are referring to also yeah i admit i overrated him but if we look at it who do you think would win Also assaj vs barris Barris vs savage Savage vs ventress Dooku vs maul Dooku vs windu (if you haven't done it idr) Kylo vs kanan Rebels ahsoka vs anikan Vader vs revan Bane vs malgus Maul vs obi wan Windu vs obi wan Clone wars ahsoka vs savage Old maul vs rebels ahsoka Windu vs Palpatine Grand inquisitor vs kylo ren Vader vs bane Shaxt ti vs plo koon Shact ti vs rebels ahsoka Bane vs dooku Zannah vs maul Starkiller/galen vs obi wan Maul vs grevious Yoda vs grevious only lightsaber combat inquisitor grand vs kit fisto Kit fisto vs grevious
1) Obi-Wan doesn't know that (he knows nothing about Sith-sorcery) 2) Bane would prevent Obi-Wan from controlling the engagement, Bane's lightning can rip down Force-walls and instantly reduce people to ash
I like to imagine that when Bane and Obiwan first face off, there are a few minutes where no blows are thrown, each I’m focusing on soresu. Staring intently into each others’ eyes, one will adjust their stance slightly, and the other will respond in turn, playing defensive headgames with each other as the duel between Anakin and Zannah rages on around them.
Darth Bane and Darth Zannah! I'm very impressed with your assessments and insights in this video. In fact, I've been theorizing over a potential match-up between Obi-Wan and Darth Bane for almost a year. Both were between Tier 2-1.5 Council Masters, unbelievable lightsaber masters and relatively overblown or undervalued Force-users respectively. Both of them valued simplicity but one paired it with overwhelming power and the other unique creativity and awareness. Kenobi was always looking for an advantage, and applied his ingenuity and creativity in any situation, while Dart Bane was at his most dangerous with advanced planning, but always fell-back on the direct-approach when unanticipated situations exploded in his face. Also, their respective relationships with their own students made it even more interesting: Anakin/Darth Bane=both Djem So Specialists with overwhelming talent and power, who focused on leveraging their overwhelming magnitude in all circumstances. However, one had a much more balanced skill-set than the other, and applied the same magnitude to all of his skills. While Bane's self-mastery and self-discipline exceeds Anakin's by a significant margin. Kenobi/Darth Zannah=rare defensive heavyweights who focused on undermining their enemies, and exploiting an open as soon as it came. However, one utilized their martial skills as a tool to be used as needed, and otherwise depended on her innately exoteric powers, while being tactically unaware and, on the small-scale, gullible. While the other used physical and conventional abilities in unorthodox and creative ways, and was one of THE most tactical and strategic masters of his time. GreyJedi91 once described Zannah as a Sith Sorcery with the mentality of a Sith Juggernaught. I personally agree, and believe that Kenobi can be described a Jedi Guardian with the mindset of a Jedi Consular: he was a martially-focused Jedi who was dedicated to bringing and maintaining peace. Yet he favoured flexibility and diplomacy in every situation, and used subtlety and simplicity to undermine and control individuals and a situation rather than depending solely on pure physical abilities to the same degree that Mace Windu, Plo Koon, pre-darkside Malak, Quinlan Vos, Kyp Durron, Qui-GOn Jinn, or Kao Cen Darach did. The similarities between Kenobi and Darth Zannah were only skin-deep, while Darth Bane and Anakin had notably deeper parallels in their fighting methods, powers and methodologies. Albeit, the depth of those parallels were moderate at most, but they remain serious. Especially given the potential for Darth Bane to apply the strategies he developed to use against Darth Zannah to defeat Kenobi. Of which around 90% would fail at best, and leave him exposed to be crippled or killed at worst. Alternatively, Darth Bane's immensely greater power and willingness to use it in any situation would put him in a very favourable position against Kenobi's most notably weakness: his ability to withstand Force-attacks from anyone around the Tier 2-1 level. However, the only abilities that Bane has consistently against Force-users around his own league were Force-repulse, Force-scream, and Force-Lightning. Rather than the more focused powers like Force-push, Force-grip, Force-Whirlwind or Throwing loose that have been used by Count Dooku, Kyle Katarn, Darth Malgus, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Darth Malak, Exar Kun, Darth Sidious, Darth Kryat, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus, Jaina Solo-Fel, Kao Cen Darach, or the Jedi Exile on a consistently regular basis. Even Anakin Skywalker, Cade Skywalker, and Asajj Ventress have used Force-grips, Force throws and Force-push against opposing Force-users around or above their league more often than Darth Bane has. And when Bane was engaged in more dramatic examples of Force-power against Force-users around his league or higher, it was usually on a grand-scale or from a distance rather than with concentrated focus or up-close and personal. Such as demolishing the building on Lehon, or using Force-lightning to attack Darth Zannah after she starting using Darkside-tendrils. His use of alter-abilities mirrored his strategic genius; being at their most effective on a grand-scale rather than up-close and quick-on-the-draw. Similar to Yoda and Mace Windu. A situation that Kenobi could arguably match him in given his own large-scale alter-class powers. Such as levelling three Felucian Trees while on the outer-haul of a Starship, sending General Grevious flying dozens of meters into the air with enough force to dent solid metal, blasting the Gen'dai Durge apart with a Force-Repulse, and matching a rage-fueled Darth Vader in a telekinetic arm-wrestle. (Something I think has been undervalued by some. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader was THE most powerful Force-users in existence. And the innate magnitude of power in his Force-abilities would have been amplified by his darks die emotions to a dangerous high level. While he did lack greater skill with the simplistic method, a Sith like pre-armoured Darth Vader could pour a huge amount of raw power into such a move from emotional intensity alone. Only someone with Tier 1-2 power and skill could match that kind of intensity for even a moment. And Kenobi held-on long enough to cause them to stalemate each other). Following a example you you have used in a previous video, such a feat would be like a mature Twilight Vampire matching a Newborn in pure physical strength. Although, Kenobi would only be able to moderately match, Darth Bane. Not counter or overwhelm him. However, Kenobi is more predisposed to use the environment against this opponents. And both himself and Darth Bane are always looking for every advantage they can find in a fight. Bane and Kenobi alone would undoubtedly be a close-match. But in this situation, it's even more difficult say depending on who is matched-up against whom: Kenobi/Bane and Anakin/Zannah, or Kenobi/Zannah against Anakin/Bane. Or would Kenobi and Anakin keep the fight a two vs. two, where their teamwork undoubtedly outshines the Sith through their training and experience?
I think Anakin should get the edge over Bane as a duelist. While I agree with everything else you said we need to remember a qoute from Rex "experience outranks everything". Anakin has seen more lightsaber duels than Bane has and while they weren't against other jugernaughts they were all against masters. I belive Anakins superior levels of experience would allow him to take Bane in a lightsaber duel
It's hard to say. I'm just not sure how Anakin would fare against someone as robust as him. We've only seen him go against light-weights (light-weights in terms of them not being heavy-hittings, not light-weight in the sense that they sucked or anything like that).
Yes and I did mention that but everyone he fought were on master level. And Anakin adapts quickly, he had never faced a duel wielder before but had little trouble against Ventress (no trouble related to her lightsaber style at least). This can maybe be attributed to his familiarity with the duel blade form but if that's the case then the same would happen with Bane as Anakin is very familiar with form 5. And even though Bane does include elements of form 3 in it Anakin has experience with that as well.
+Bruce Jedi Lee You are correct. Anakin has a superior degree of alivness than Darth Bane due to greater levels of live combat experience. However, I believe Darth Bane possess superior academic knowledge and took a very academic approach to lightsaber combat. If the style is something Bane already has researched, he can understand his opponent's application and adapt. Unfortunately for Anakin, while his application of Djem So is truly masterful, its still quite conventional which means Bane can figure him out and counter. However, this advantage of Bane comes from tactics and intelligence, rather than pure skill. Also, Bane's skillset is more well rounded than Anakin. Djem so for general purpose, form 3 for dedicated def, Juyo for dedicated offensive. While Anakin is pure djem so and ataru with intermediate-advanced knowledge of niman and shien. So I'm going with stalemate on this one. Bane's more well rounded skillset paired with his academic knowledge balances against Anakin's superior live combat experience. Maybe could go to Bane through war of attrition but Bane isn't that type of fighter.
Bane is smarter, more nuanced, more knowledgable than Anakin (knows all the forms etc), has had many more years of practice and is roughly comparable in force power (even though Anakin's potential power is greater, Bane's practiced use of the force probably even gives him an edge). Yes Anakin is battle-hardened but the majority of those battles were against blaster-wielding foes. If you only count the movies, he's been in the same amount (edit: less acutally, forgot battle vs Sirak for Bane) of 'real' lightsaber conflicts as Bane (technically true, even if you don't count the training duels at the Sith Academy which were real enough so that people died in them). If you accept Clone Wars in all of its flawed glory, then yes Anakin has been in a lot of duels, though many were against Ventress who is of far lower calibre than anyone fighting here, but Bane's training and years of practice, in my mind, still come out on top; particularly the harsh, combat-1v1-oriented training at the Sith Academy, not to mention the holocrons he's learned from.
Rhys Owen Anakin was stated to be as good a djem so duelist as one can be by Dooku. His also beat Dooku through finess not brute force. Also Anakin knows multipul forms and uses a lot of finess and adapts very quickly in fights. He also fought plenty of Magnaguards during the war. And no matter what type of battles you are more experienced with that experience will still be very useful in almost every type of fight. In battle, no matter which kind, you must learn to adapt quickly to changes mid fight and use your surroundings to your advantage in one way or another. That goes for fighting both blaster weilding and lightsaber weilding foes
This fight to me could come down to something often overlooked in combat: spacing. The Sith's main and only real game breaking advantage is Zannah's sorcery. But I find it hard to believe she would be able to launch an attack strong enough to incapacitate Anakin without being cut to ribbons herself. But that changes if she has the time to take Anakin on from a distance. If the switch happened in close proximity to one another, I'm not sure Zannah would be able to get to Anakin in time. But if there was any significant distance between them, that might be enough to swing it. Also, take into account Kenobi's touch with the living Force. He might sense the danger his Padawan would be in. Im not 100% sure how Kenobi would respond to that, but I see him perhaps being able to make use of his subversive abilities to knock Zannah off balance long enough for Anakin to strike. I don't think it would take a great deal for Anakin to beat Zannah, but admittedly I don't think much of Zannah as a duelist. If Anakin was able to resist at all, with the sorcery possibly enraging him further and amping him however unlikely that might be, he would dice Zannah. The margin for error here for the Sith is razor thin to me, and I see it being much more likely that the Jedi come out on top. Still in all, excellent video as always!
Wait if zannah use anakins fear against him wouldn't his fear turn to hate and he go in to a dark side rage which he's been known to do i mean anakins has faced attacks of the mind before though zannah is a master at it i just think anakin in a rage could have done a lot of damage to bane and zannah
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex. There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day. No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second. However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
you forgot to mention the fact that anakin and obi-wan achieved force-meld which essentially combined them mentally (one mind two bodies) and thus they don't split up, fighting as one entity
Only one problem with Anakin succumbing to Zannah's spell. Anakin is the kind of character to confront any tangible fears of his, not shy away from them. Every time he's been afraid of losing Kenobi, Ahsoka, or especially Padme, he actively confronts that fear and tries to stop it, almost to a fault, and definitely to a fault with Padme. So in my opinion, the spells of madness would only grant Anakin the resolve he needs to stop anything he sees from happening, similar to how Dooku's taunts simply backfired and gave Anakin exactly what he needed to defeat him. Zannah's attempt to make him fear losing Padme or anyone else would only make him lash out and strike her down, not cower in fear and leave himself vulnerable.
Although Zannah could exploit Anakin's fears to the advantage of his team, Anakin is not exactly so suspectible to mind-attacks. And probably if something like that happened, probably Obi-Wan could act quickly, blocking the connection and sending Anakin back to reality. Also, we know that exploting Anakin's fears can be a ''weapon of double edge'', because yes, it can cause him to loss his concentration but it CAN ALSO CAUSE the contrary effect, we have as proof that making Anakin mad can cause him to, ironically, focus more on the combat, and examples of proof are the later stages of the final fight against Dooku inside the Invisible Hand during the climax of the Battle Of Coruscant, in which Anakin, after seeing how Dooku knocked out his master from the contend with a force choke combined with a push to some metallic bars, increased his rage, focus and efforts to defeat Dooku and thanks to that he managed to overcome the Count of Serenno. Other proof is the duel in Clone Wars 2003 between Anakin Skywalker Vs Assaj Ventress, in which the story almost repeats itself. Also, I think that Anakin and Obi-Wan are almost the ultimate duo, Obi-Wan is literally ''the wall of the walls'', he can distract enemies the enough time to give Anakin the opportunity to strike down they with a powerful counterattack. Usign Spells Of Madness against Anakin is, in my opinion, risky, A VERY RISKY move.
fantastic video, Antoine, loved the way you presented your argument. though, I am slightly skeptical of Zannah's ability to actually capitalize on Anakin's vulnerability. I definitely agree that Zannah's spells will tear Anakin's mind apart like a knife through butter, but when Zannah utilized this power against Bane, she didn't capitalize on the advantage presented because she couldn't let up on her concentration. She had to maintain her concentration otherwise the spell would break. While she was ultimately unsuccessful, she did stall Bane long enough to be able to kill him, just as you stated she would do to Anakin. But would she be able to capitalize on the advantage?
Awesome video. I know you're not a fan of the longer videos but I really like them, Greyjedi's Bane, Zannah vs kenobi, windu one being one of my favourites despite being about 2 hours. I like the way you addressed Kenobi's passive and active force wall, too many people either say his force wall is nonexistent or just as good as everyone else's. Give him time to prepare he can defend against Dooku level force pushes as shown in the clone wars season 6 episode where he did defend against Dooku, however if caught off guard he can be taken out of the fight completely. Zannah also gets quite a lot of crap, she deffo gets her chance to shine in this fight through. Good job 👏🏻
I feel like Obi-Wan would sense what Zannah is trying to do to him, and relay that to Anakin. I have no doubts they'd plan around that and be smart enough to keep Anakin unpaired with her.
Bruce Jedi Lee he’s basically saying Obi Wan and Anakin wouldn’t switch opponents. Obi wouldn’t let Anakin fight Zannah since he felt her probing his mind and he knows Anakin would get devastated by such an ability
Some people seem to be missing a crucial point here. Zannah's mind probes would've made Anakin super mad. Much like they did with Darth Bane during their final duel. Bane was down for a while and was genuinely afraid of the monsters that Zannah conjured up, but once he realized they were fake, he unleashed a huge amount of rage.
Because that’s not how that works. Darth Zannah’s spells are not some slide show, it’s mental torture. Anakin isn’t some God who just shrugs off his myriad of insecurities and gets mad immediately. There will be a period of time where he would be weakened and Zannah only needs those seconds
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 You're forgetting that she's literally immobile for seconds herself while formulating those spells, and that she only got away with it due to where she fought Bane, and the fact that he was older, more frail, and slower. Wouldn't have that advantage against a 23 year old Anakin.
People in the comments are acting like Zannahs spells are just simple memory walks. If a character is stable they will say Zannah can not possibly affect them, if a character is unstable they will just say he gets really mad.
Thank you, someone reasonable. I swear to god, does surprise factor not mean anything to people? Her magic doesn’t just get bounced off when it hits people.
This was an interesting video, but I'm a little mixed on the verdict for a couple reasons. If Obi-wan opens with Zannah and she attempts her spells on him, he would definitely take notice of it and while he might not know what she tried, I don't think he would want to risk putting Anakin (who he knew wasn't the most mentally sound person) against such an opponent. Or if he did, he would at least make an effort to advise Anakin. Secondly, while it's definitely true that Zannah's spells would be devastating against Anakin and open him to attack, Obi-wan would definitely sense that something terrible has happened and come to his aid. Their bond was so strong that Obi-wan would likely be willing to sacrifice himself to protect his friend, possibly giving Anakin a chance to come to his senses. This might not change the verdict of the battle, but I just thought that those two points should be accounted for.
I feel like the madness wouldn’t be as effective, anakin is too prone to anger and it’s those visions of failure that fueled him and made him the monster that is Vader. I feel like zannah would see it as weakness and try to use it against him but instead would make him angrier and make the fight worse for herself.
The fact that "Anikin" (Anakin) is just way to emotional to just ignore it and also the fact that he is not a sith yet so he will not only use his anger tells us, that zannah would break him (mentaly)
Takahashi Takeda Except we have seen Anakin use his anger when probed and taunted like this before he was a sith. He destroyed Dooku because of it and nearly killed ventress because of it. To be honest, Zannah would need to watch it, if she goes too overboard, Anakin might just snap, and if it's not enough, he can shrug it off. It would need to be a perfect middle.
There is a window Zannah has between Anakin freaking out from the images, pain and fear puncturing his mind, and him conducting himself and achieving a rage amp. I fall on the side of Zannah being able to take him out before he composes himself.
Not even close. Zannah's mind probing would work about as well on Anakin as it would on Vader, i.e. it'd increase his anger and fury a hundredfold and make him even more powerful, sealing Zannah's doom.
Antoine Bandele you’re forgetting how Anakin gets when you put pain, misery ,anger suffering , plus fear stuff into his head and it mind fucks him and he becomes OP sometimes makes him a Bruiser , Heavy hitter , berserker & something in between Hulk / Wolverine & forgive me if I sound like a fan boy I don’t wanna trigger anyone But it’s once said the longer the battle takes the more powerful Anakin becomes & if he have not fallen he becomes Powerful
Great video. I think the constant issue with a 2 vs 2 scenario is that it makes finishing an opponent a lot harder as one can try and help defend the other, perhaps best seen in the old republic cinematic with Satele and her master vs Malgus and his master. I suspect if Obiwan saw Zannah incapacitating Anakin with a mind probe he would make some effort to save him, though very likely would sacrifice his own defense against Bane in the process. Anakins success following this would be dependent on whether he could finish Zannah before it becomes a 2 vs 1 scenario. Possible scenario: As Obiwan battled Bane he suddenly felt great pain and anguish from Anakin. Glancing towards Anakin he saw his former student abandon his defensive posture gripping his head seemingly having lost all focus on the battle. As Zannah quickly motioned to lunge her blade into Skywalker, Obiwan parried Banes strike and leaped towards Zannah knocking her aside with a force push. Only for Obiwan to fall to the floor as he was caught by a barrage of force lightning from Bane. The Sith Lord quickly jumped upon him plunging his blade into the Jedi. Anakin screamed Obiwans name as he felt his masters death and was suddenly drawn out of his daze. Zannah quickly recovered from her fall and immediately leaped towards Anakin hoping to finish him before he had a chance to recover. However she is caught in mid air by Anakin with a force choke who immediately reignited his blade and impaled her. Anakin and Bane slowly drew their blades out of their opponents bodies and turned to face one another, Anakin seething with rage.
Those spells of madness are just TOO damn powerful in this scenario. The outcome was never in doubt. Team Jedi would win an outright saber contest, but with all skills on the table; Bane is too overtly powerful and practiced in the force and Zannah too skilled in sorcery to be overthrown here.
I would have to say that with the spell of madness would just make Anikin draw on the dark side and Zana would be overwhelmed and if they didn't switch in the early fight and Anikin and Bane kept battling, Anikin would start to draw on the dark side and overwhelm Bane
Yeh the main gripe I have with this fight is the one you highlighted in the video. We dont know how Anakin would fight against Bane, if he even has a slight edge then hes not gonna switch with Kenobi, and this scenario is next to impossible for you to analyse, potentially robbing the jedi of victory. That being said I agree with your verdict with Anakin vs Zannah, as Bane didnt seem able to pin her down entirely, and Id argue shed have a more leveled head in this scenario, and Anakin would be slightly more predictable to her without the Juyo to switch to Overall in this video, I have a couple of random gripes with a few minor jumps in logic, but in all honesty feel youve done a fantastic job bringing this fight down to ideas rather than overstating every single little point (potentially multiple times), doing as good a job in this video as your Anakin, Ahsoka and Obiwan fight. And thus I have little to nothing to complain about and I enjoyed this video immensely . Question, will you be doing a playthrough of battlefront 2 single player?
+Antoine Bandele Would love to see you do another non-force user versus vid. Maybe we could you do Kir Kanos vs. Arden Lyn in the future. Also if Zannah used her spells of madness on Anakin wouldn't it just make Anakin angry and make him go into a berserker rage like he showed previously like on Nelvaan. Keep up the good work and MTFBWY.
Interesting analysis. There are a few other possible outcomes, though. 1. Darth Zannah stabs Darth Bane in the back, electing to try her hand against these two mere Jedi. She'd be overwhelmed, so that's not likely. 2. Zannah would only ever have one chance to use her sorcery on Anakin, and it would have to be her opening move. There's actually a greater chance that it would simply set him off, and Zannah can't hold out against such raw, untamed power forever. Anakin would kill Zannah pretty quickly and set his sights on Bane, who would be quite unable to stand against the two of them together. 3. Zannah's spells actually don't work at all because Kenobi's stout mental defenses cover Anakin as well. Anakin would only take a tad longer to take Zannah down. 4. Anakin vs. Bane would be a stalemate up until the moment when Kenobi beats Zannah and comes over to help. 5. Kenobi manages to hold out against Bane long enough for Anakin to deal with Zannah (who has decided not to use her sorcery today) and come over and deal the finishing blow. Kenobi has this odd tendency to be able to hold out against opponents that on paper should be able to defeat him.
I didn't noticed until you mentioned it. It feels like these longer videos have more depth, and its an awesome throwback to a few years back. It's good to see you forward more time to a versus series, despite having so many projects going on! Keep up the good work, B!
I enjoyed this video as always you have by far the best editing and formatting of anyone who makes star wars vs video. I agree with the majority of what you said but there are some things i strongly disagree with and think you missed out on that change some of the outcomes. My comment is a mix of things i disagree with from your video and adding my own thoughts. 6:10 I agree with most of what you said with regards to physical capabilities, however you say 6:31 anakin has a better case for his physical capabilites as he can significantly bolster them with them with the force. But this is a very common ability even padawans have displayed (though not to the same degree as anakin) so its absurd to think Bane who learnt from so many legendary sith lords would not also know this ability. Anakins best strength feats are Dooku straining against the strength of his blows(though this would partly be due to Makashis weakness against power attacks) and overpowering a magna guard arm with one of his when they both pushed against each other and anakin showed strain doing this. Meanwhile bane has tore a three durasteel doors of there hinges on two separate occasions in doe which i'll show in the quotes below, vader has a similar strength feat of doing this once and its one of his best and you admit vader > anakin in terms of strength. Most impressively the third quote below this paragragh shows bane was able to stagger Zannah, who ten years ago had deflected the blows of an orbalisk encrusted bloodlusted Darth Bane and the blows of a battle meditation amped Sarro Xaj without staggering. Bare in mind zannah was a master of soresu and her particular style was all about deflecting the power behind blows away from her which is the perfect counter for bane yet it wasn't enough. Bane certainly has a considerable strength advantage over anakin which is particularly important as both anakin and banes main form is djem so. So its seems clear to me that overall bane has an edge over obi wan and anakin physically at least over all and thats without including their speed which ill get to next "Moving quickly, Bane strode over to the hatch. Sometime during the battle it had been closed, and he discovered it had been locked from the inside. Letting the Force flow through him, he clipped his lightsaber and crouched down to grip the handle with both hands. Bracing his massive shoulders, he wrenched the metal hatch open, yanking it off its hinges and tossing it aside."Darth Bane: DoE while doing this Bane was weaken by a drug designed to weaken his ability to use the force "Another locked durasteel door blocked the only exit. Bane tossed the blaster aside and tore the door off its hinges. Up above, someone triggered the alarm, and a deafening klaxon began to blare. Beyond the door was a narrow staircase, similarly barricaded at the top. The Dark Lord charged up the steps and threw himself shoulder-first into the door at the top. It burst open from the impact, sending him tumbling into the room beyond." soure: DoE "He opened with a series of two-handed overhead chops, using his great height to bring his blade hacking down at her from above. She easily blocked each blow, but the momentum of the crushing impact caused her to stagger back, throwing her off balance."DSource: DoE The other point in the physical capabilities that i strongly disagree with is the fact you didnt seem to include bane and zannahs large speed advantage in your rankings of their capabilities. Speed i would argue is generally the most important physical capability in a fight between two force users. You mentioned Banes feats of blocking every rain drop in a storm for 10 minutes but never mentioned what a speed advantage this shows bane has over anakin and obi wan. especially since this was just something bane did to warm up one morning before he began his proper training and not him pushing himself to his very limits. Zannah at the very least has comparable speed since she wasnt speed blitzed and no mention of bane having a speed advantage was ever mentioned in either of bane and zannahs fights with each other. I personally think the speed advantage alone should overall give bane and zannah an edge it should also gave the sith a major advantage in the lightsaber part of the analysis. 13:21 saying bane could turn his foes into a black husk with the force is massively understating his capabilities, we discussed this in your revan and malak vs bane and zannah video so im not sure why you've done the same thing again. Bane turned a 4 meter long Drexl (with skin tough enough to stop blaster fire) into nothing but charred bone as well as turning the rider to ash instantly with a quick bolt of lightening from one hand with barely a year of training and as we both know bane got significantly more powerful after that. This is far more powerful than even dookus lightening though given how easily atoc ob wan handled dookus lightening i dont doubt obi wan can likely stop it with his saber though it'll be with some strain, same with anakin 17:00 i think it is worth mentioning that neither anakin or obi wan especially could handle banes tk. obi wan has been ragdolled by maul and dooku who arent even in banes league in terms of tk. But anakin has also struggled to deal with dookus tk several times in the past such as when they fought on naboo when dooku ko'd anakin for a short time with tk and he was knocked back by obi wans tk in rots. given how much more capable with tk bane is than obi wan and dooku i also believe anakin could not handle banes tk especially since bane likes to mix iin force abilities while dueling someone Another thing i feel was worth nothing was that bane is capable of using tutaminus to redirect telekenetic attacks ,as the quote below shows. something as far as im aware nobody else has ever done. Bane did this against zannah and he did so without any difficulty. this seems to indicate that if obi wan or anakin tried to use tutaminus on bane that he's more than capable of redirecting it straight back at them something they aren't going to expect at all. this is also particularly important as tk is by far the most likely offensive force ability either jedi would try to use on bane and since they have no other offensive feats with the force that show they could harm bane it practically nullifies their offensive capabilities with the force against bane and zannah since he would have taught her the same thing. Overall zannah and bane stomp this round "Bane drew upon his own abilities in the Force to absorb the impact of her attack, catching it and amplifying its strength before firing it back at his apprentice. The redirected blow struck Zannah in the chest, hard enough to knock her to the ground." Darth Bane: Rule of Two for bane vs anakin i believe bane has the edge, especially do to his big strength and speed advantage. However even if you assume physically they are complete equals and just compare their skills with a saber i still believe bane has an edge. With djem so Anakin and bane are without a doubt the two most skilled in all of star wars, theres skill with the form like obi wan with soresu goes way beyond mastery. (if you arent interested in why banes skill with djem so is way beyond mastery skip the next paragragh) People seem to underestimate just how skilled bane is with djem so. zannah who as we kow was a master duellist in her own right admitted bane was way beyond her with a blade and she would never be able to be his equal with a lightsaber. To prove that wasn't zannnah underestimating her self or overestimating bane in the duel part of their fight he completely dominated her. We've seen how to equally skilled lightsaber duelists fair when one uses djem so and the other soresu in the fight on mustafar (excluding anakins dumb mistake at the end) it's pretty even so if bane was just a regular master of the form when bane and zannah duelled it would have been pretty even, if not zannah would have had the edge as zannahs style of djem so is better suited against djem so as it deflects the power of the blows away form her. But in their very short duel bane dominated zannah. it was described as miraculous that she survived at one point and pure look at another point in the duel and despite that she still ended up with some broken ribs. this was a duel that couldn't have lasted more than a minute. Its very clear than bane is far more skilled with djem so than zannah is with soresu and we know she mastered soresu so anakin and banes skill with djem so is pretty even however bane has his mastery of soresu and expertise if not mastery of juyo to rely on as well unlike anakin who mastered no other forms. sure hes skilled with other forms but you need more than that when facing someone like bane just like bane couldn't fair well if he used say niman against anakin despite being skilled with the form. so i'd give bane an edge (excluding his physical advantages) but only slight as they will both most likely use djem so for pretty much all of the duelling they do in this fight assuming we exclude the physical advantages and disadvantages i would agree obi wan and bane are equal as banes soresu and juyo would just be far less effective against obi wan than his djem so so thats all bane will use. Though if you include how they compare physically bane would win a pure duel. towards the end of obi wan and anakins duel in rots obi wans for arms were starting to spliter and had the duel carried on for much longer he would have given out (assuming anakin didnt leave himself open) add the fact bane has a huge speed edge and is a far smarter fighter than pre suit vader and obi wan is going to get overwhelmed eventually (again assuming you exclude their physical capabilities)bane has a slight edge over anakin and obi wan but they have a slight edge over zannah so i'd say they are even overall i carry on about yours and my verdict as a comment reply to this
i agree they are more likely ot pair off as Bane vs anakin and Obi Wan vs zannah but i'll go through how they all compare to each other if they pair off the other way Im not quite sure why you gave the jedi a 1 in the early fight the sith could because bane is more than capable and likely to take obi wan out with the force before they engage with sabers as hed sense obi wan is far less powerful than anakin. But why do you think the jedi would win in the early round ? i don't see how either sith could fall in the early fight let alone both Anakin vs Bane Bane has pretty much every advantage here in a duel he has more variety and his big speed and strenght edge will help him significantly as they duel. On top of that bane is going to be wearing anakin down and knocking him around with tk as anakin fruitlessly tries to overhwlem bane with djem so. Anakins only chance would be zannah killing obi wan first and anakin unleashing all his raw power to badly injure bane but there is no way zannah beats obi wan before bane beat anakin. But even if that did happen bane is durable enough and powerful enough to still be able to carry on fighitng for a long time. Obi wan vs Bane In a duel this may last a fairly long time but bane will quickly sense how much weaker obi wan is than him. He wont waste his time while zannah is fighitng someone with as much raw power as anakin. Bane will quickly go to use his force abilites and take obi wan out except he wont do what maul or dooku do and just throw obi wan to the side due to plot armour he'll pulverise obi wan or just crush his heart or snap his neck and move on. Obi wan has no chance against bane. Anakin vs Zannah Completly agree with your analysis here her spells would ruin anakin and give her more than enough time to land a killing blow with her saber. Given she even was able to use her sorcery against bane id say its almost certain she would against anakin, if they fought. Anakin is not only slower than bane but as you say he is unaware of her sorcery and once she uses it on anakin he's done for. Though i don't think how zannahs sorcery would effect anakin if he survived matter since there is no chance of zannah not killing him in the few seconds (at a minimum) she'd have while anakin is distracted Obi Wan vs Zannah Zannah will likely open with the force before they even engage with saber given she sense how much weaker obi wan is and she much prefers using the force. she will certainly first user her sorcery which will be useless against obi wan and give him a chance to close in with a saber. if they engage in a duel obi wan will be force to go on the offence and zannah will quickly realse obi wan is more skilled with a blade and want to end this with the force where her chances of victory are significantly higher. Given she managed to pull back and use the force on bane it wont take her long get a chance to use the force on obi wan given hes fare less skilled as an offencive duelist and not as fast. Once she does and once she has tried her sorcery she'll move on to regular force abilities and given she is just as if not more powerful than bane and favours force abilites more than him it's crazy to assume she cant take him out with the force when the likes of maul have done so multiple times. Basically no matter how they pair off the sith stomp. There is simply to much of a power difference. zannah basically has kryptonite for anakin and obi wan hos force defences that are far to weak to hold off either sith lord.
I think the fight ends early though especially with Bane's Force powers and dueling abilities Bane would know exactly how to fight Anakin I don't think Bane will lose to a Jedi guardian he knows all the Jedis abilities.
Woah! 36 minutes? That's nuts, but a good kind of nuts. The breakdown of their fighting styles and force abilites was amazing. You used a lot of source materials to back up what you were saying and clearly stated what each of their strengths and weaknesses were. I also really liked that you showed when they came out on top in battles and when they didn't (and if they did win because they had armor or something, you stated it outright). Even though I'm not as well versed in a lot of the lore as you are, because you presented their physical and force abilities in this manner, I can fully trust your descriptions of them. The bit where you lost me a little was during the match ups when deciding who had the dueling abilities edge. You rated Kenobi and Bane as equals, even though you mainly pointed out why Bane was a superior duelist. You also said that you 'heavily favor Anakin' when pitting her against Zannah, even though you seem to retract this statement when Zannah wins her one-on-one against him in the death battle. So while this video is awesome, I'm not sold on the final verdict, especially since you gave the Jedi the physical abilities edge and the dueling abilities edge, and because you said that you favor Anakin over Zannah. Other than that, I really enjoyed the video, particularly your analysis on Obi-Wan. I knew that the guy was a master of Soresu, but I didn't know exactly to what degree. I feel like I learned a lot of things from this video in general! The Versus Series is one of my favorite things on UA-cam. Your work is awesome, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Kenobi and Bane are equals in the sense that Kenobi's defense and Bane's offense would meet at a deadlock. Kenobi's defense was better than Bane's, and Bane's offense was better than Kenobi's. Bane is perhaps a more complete duelist, especially with Juyo. But the issue with Juyo is that it's very exhausting and if it fails, he'd fall to Kenobi. And Bane, being the intelligent fighter that he is, I think, wouldn't fall into the trappings of a Juyo assault, instead, locking down with Djem So. Now, if this were a lightsaber only match up then I would likely side with Bane over Kenobi but in terms of an individual round, they are equals for me. I heavily favored Anakin as a lightsaber duelist, not for his Force abilities, which is what gave Zannah the edge for me. Having more edges in a fight does not automatically create a victor, especially when circumstance is thrown in. And the circumstance here is Zannah's effectiveness with Sith sorcery, and Anakin's less than perfect defense against it.
Zannah's ability to create space between herself and Bane bodes well for her ability to do so against Anakin. Her Spells of Madness aren't a ritual, it doesn't take long at all the employ.
As always amazing video! And funny how in the last team vs. Zannah was the decisive losing factor, while now she is the decisive winning factor. Now I am really excited for the last round. Completely no idea who’ll win that one, if anything it will probably be quite close. I think very slight advantage for the Jedi team, but we’ll see!
I am shocked, I felt from the start it was going to be Bane and Zannah that would win but I figured you would give it to Obi-Wan and Anakin. Zannah's REALLY overpowered in the lore and people underestimate her. We have seen time and again that even master Yoda is staggered and shaken by vision of horror and death like at the end of clone wars and this is all Zannah would need. It only takes a second of pause for her to get a killing blow and even someone like Yoda wouldn't be able to not drop his guard for that moment. The issue Zannah has is that her spinning blade work has one weakness, being overpowered. Obi-Wan and Windu are really the only Jedi I personally think would be able to resist Zannah's Sith Sorcery. Would Anakin go into a rage from being seen such horrors? Yes, but not until after the shock and pain had turned to anger but by then he would already be dead.
I'm on the edge about this one, while i do 100% agree that the fight is over once anakin's mind gets probed, i don't know if Zannah would even be able to find the time to touch it. Anakin is one hell of an aggressive duelist. It's exactly as you said: the outcome of this battle depends on wether you think anakins mind would get the rapey rapey treatment or not. Good job, you just made me think about a fictional match up of 4 wizards with lightsabers at 6am.
I agree completely with your physical abilities section including the ordering of each of the characters. Assuming Zannah matches up against Anakin and Bane matches up against Kenobi, I can agree with your reasoning for giving the team of Bane and Zannah the Force edge. 25:25 - To be fair, I believe the planet they were fighting on was "strong in the Darkside" which would've strengthened her. I would have given Anakin and Kenobi the edge over Bane in lightsaber combat, personally. Glad you gave them the team edge. 32:50 - That is something I was going to bring up given Zannah had to slowly gather her power to cast a spell of madness against Bane whilst giving ground. Personally, because I find Anakin to be superior to Bane as a lightsaber combatant, I see her having even less time and energy to devote to fueling such a spell which would hinder its overall effectiveness as a result. Imo, either Zannah gets off a spell early on that lacks the punch it would have at full power and Anakin powers through or she doesn't get the chance to cast it all needing to devote all her energy to simply holding him off. Either way it ends up being Kenobi and Anakin against Bane and the outcome of such a match up is clear. Highly enjoyed the video even if I disagree with the verdict.
32:50 - And I think that's counteracted by Anakin being even more susceptible than Bane is to her spells (and also, he would not expect it or have the thought to defend against it), meaning she'd need less focus.
I know, that's why I think the effect it would have on Anakin would be similar to the one it had on Bane. I.E. while it would definitely hinder him, he'd be able to overcome it and it wouldn't be likely to create any openings Zannah could use to end the fight, at least not to the point that it would be the most likely outcome imo.
As awesome as Anakin is, Bane is most likely the superior lightsaber duelist and force-user. Bane is a more mature and disciplined fighter, his bladework more consistent, and he doesn't make dumb, rash mistakes like Anakin does. Bane will eventually wear Anakin down. It will be a long and slow grind, but Anakin will be forced to take on Zannah, eventually. As for Zannah and Kenobi, yeah Kenobi is the better lightsaber duelist defensively and offensively, but his force powers are extremely weak while Zannah has masterful command over the Force, even by top Sith Lord standards. If Sith as comparatively weak as Maul and Dooku can ragdoll Kenobi around, then Zannah will have no problem.
Anakin is more experienced and placed above characters who are stated to be among the most skilled in galactic history. He's also physically superior to Bane. Don't see how Anakin loses lightsaber combat. Force is more debatable but I feel Bane's superior knowledge and versatility is matched by Anakin's power edge. Dooku is above Zannah as a Force user and Obi Wan is far more skilled and has superior augmentation which wouldn't allow her to fully make use of her Force advantage.
"Anakin is more experienced and placed above characters who are stated to be among the most skilled in galactic history." Somewhat true. Anakin bested Dooku in lightsaber combat and is objectively better than Obi-Wan (he lost because he was a first-time user of the Dark Side, which made him rash and careless). But Anakin is inferior to Mace, Yoda, and Sidious, but those people are the very, very best, the %0.01 in galactic history. Anakin's skill with the blade is his only edge against Bane, but he is a naive warrior on the whole. Bane, being a very intelligent fighter, will recognize that and leverage his advantages over Anakin, who would not develop that level of finesse until he became Darth Vader. "He's also physically superior to Bane." Dubious. Bane is more like Vader in strength than Anakin. Bane is bigger, older, more physically mature, and surpasses Obi-Wan in pain tolerance. He's an older alpha male, large and in charge since forever. Anakin is imposing to be sure, but a callow youth in comparison to Bane. "Force is more debatable but I feel Bane's superior knowledge and versatility is matched by Anakin's power edge." Knowledge, versatility, and skill triumphs over raw strength. Bane has an intelligent and sophisticated use of the Force in battle and everywhere else. Anakin has amazing potential but never developed it beyond the most basic techniques and occasional Force Choke. Anakin would not apply his native intelligence until after he became Darth Vader. "Dooku is above Zannah as a Force user." Doubtful. Zannah has one of the strongest commands over the Force in galactic history, only bested by people like Yoda and Sidious, and later Darth Vader. But she hasn't developed it so much for battle. Zannah, on the whole, is a great Sith Lord and Star Wars character, but she never cared that much for battling, developing her skills for all the other things you do outside of battle. Zannah herself was all too well aware of this, hence why she developed her skills elsewhere, knowing that her small size and slight build were disadvantages in a fight. But we underestimate Zannah because we only see her in context of versus series, though Zannah herself never fights unless it's the only thing left to do. "Obi Wan is far more skilled and has superior augmentation which wouldn't allow her to fully make use of her Force advantage." Pretty much. Zannah can't use her spells of madness and other obscure techniques because Obi-Wan isn't vulnerable to them and won't give her the chance anyway. The entire versus series depends on whether Zannah can get to Anakin. You may say, "Obi-wan will never let that happen." But you have to remember that Obi-Wan isn't the only smart fighter in the room. Bane and Zannah are extremely cunning warriors on par with Obi-wan.
People who understand noting about Zannah’s Sith sorcery: BuT aNaKiN wOuLd GeT aNgRy! People who know anything: Nah, Anakin is going to go mad Seriously people think it’s just some sort of slide show of his insecurities when it’s not at all. It’s torture
Honestly, Bane and Zannah are the two Sith I would love to learn from the most. They seem to be the ones that focus more on what I would, which is the more subtle abilities, and diversified Lightsaber styles.
Kenobi is very overrated imo. I think he would lose to Bane like he lost to Dooku. Bane completely outclasses him in force. Anakin however, in a pure lightsaber duel he defo could beat Bane or Zannah, but because Zannah has sorcery on her side, she would one shot Anakin easy, as Anakin has a lot of emotional problems, which Zannah can exploit.
The unknown trooper Bane vs. Kenobi - Kenobi's a better duelist and a better Force wielder. Bane isn't impressive in any way. Anakin vs. Zannah - Again, Anakin's a better duelist and Force wielder. Zannah would get destroyed. Bane and Zannah are not impressive.
Is this a troll or have you just not read any of the bane books ? obi wan has been casually ragdolled by dooku and maul ragdolled him several times. Bane leveled a 30 meter stone temple with a year of training and 10 years later he iatomized a dozen techno beats with his force push, for comparison plagueis best tk feat is atomising several people but nowhere near a dozen. obi wan also isnt a better duelist unless you are only comparing their skill with soresu. Bane along side anakin is the greatets master of djem so in all star wars Zannah is just as if not more powerful than bane and favours the force alot more which puts her offensive and defence with the force above anakins. Not to mention given she was able to pull back and use sorcery on bane she certianly will against anakin who is far slower and has no idea about her sorcery unlike bane. Once she uses it on anakin he'll be stunned for more than long enough for her to cut him down
I read the Bane trilogy recently. They aren’t impressive. Bane isn’t even close to Anakin’s level. The closest Djem So specialists to Anakin is Malgus. Kenobi is near the top 10 in dueling skill. Bane is in the top 30. Bane is not as good as the trilogy makes him out to be. Nearly every Sith could defeat him. Revan, Krayt, Vader, Malgus, Lumiya, Tenebrous, Plagueis, they could all beat him. Zannah too. They aren’t that good. Kenobi and Skywalker would wreck them.
If they arent impressive then counter the points i made, all you addressed was how banes skill with djem so compares to anakins. Bane is absolutly on anakins level in temrs of skill with djem so. People seem to underestimate just how skilled bane is with djem so. zannah who as we know was a master duellist and mastered soresu admitted bane was way beyond her with a blade and she would never be able to be his equal with a lightsaber. To prove that wasn't zannnah underestimating her self or overestimating bane in the duel part of their fight he completely dominated her. We've seen how two equally skilled lightsaber duelists fair when one uses djem so and the other soresu in the fight on mustafar (excluding anakins dumb mistake at the end) it's pretty even so if bane was just a regular master of the form when bane and zannah duelled it would have been pretty even, if not zannah would have had the edge as zannahs style of djem so is better suited against djem so as it deflects the power of the blows away form her. But in their very short duel bane dominated zannah. it was described as miraculous that she survived at one point and pure look at another point in the duel and despite that she still ended up with some broken ribs. this was a duel that couldn't have lasted more than a minute. Its very clear than bane is far more skilled with djem so than zannah is with soresu and we know she mastered soresu. Malgus hasnt even been shown to have mastered djem so or any other form lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Id agree in terms of skill obi wan is at least near the top 10 Lol Bane stomps either malgus or revan as i said malgus hasnt even been shown to have mastered any forms and his best force feat is throwing a few tonnes of duracrete something bane easily surpassed with barely a year of training when he levelled a 30 meter stone temple with a force push as for revan im going to copy and paste my summary of why bane stomps revan from another recent discussion i had but i'll post it in a seperate comment as it has several links in it so it may get auto removed as spam. Let me know if you cant see the other comment
Fucking love this channel top quality content that is just... god how to word it... unprecedented: a unique presentation fused with a professional commentary. Liked before watched. Betting on Bane and Zannah. Thanks Antoine for another video I can look forward too
I think after witnessing the death of Anakin, Obi-Wan would be exposed to Zannah's powers too. He is in control of his emotions but I firmly believe that the death of his apprentice and brother would be way too much for him.
another good video mate. only thing i would add that would make this fight closer would be Obi-wan trying to keep the fight a 2v1 against Bane like he tried against dooku, the moment he see's Anakin not gaining ground on him and realising that bane would be the more difficult challenge. maybe he uses slight force push to off balance Zannah to give him time to get whilst every time Zannah helps she stops by a blade or force push again from Anakin or Obi-wan over giving them advantage in early fight. it end of the mid fight i think where it could all change depending who Zannah uses sorcery on which is where your right as long Obi-wan is distracted by bane and doesn't notice what is happening.
If Obi-Wan, Anakin, Bane and Zannah met each other in a master-apprentice tag-team duel, who would come out on top?
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2:45 - Round 1: Physical Abilities
7:43 - Round 2: Force Abilities
17:11 - Round 3: Dueling Abilities
29:24 - The Verdict
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Antoine Bandele Mah Boi Kenobi and Skywalker
Antoine Bandele thank you for making this
Antoine Bandele you did a good job with this video
Antoine Bandele Most Agreed brutha man.
Antoine Bandele I have a fight suggestion
*Drum Roll*
...Anakin vs Revan
Anakin from Ep III before turning to the Darkside & Revan before his light and darkness separated.
You forgot about Kenobi's ultimate skill: Trolling Sith Lords.🤣
kyle wolfkind that wouldn’t work on bane, he is too smart
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Abram Coleman I know
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I thought his ultimate technique was the High Ground
In my opinion this could go one of two ways.
1. Annakin vs Zannah and Obi-Wan vs Bane: Annakin gets literally mind fucked by Zannah, but only if he isn't able to take her out with his superior ability with the blade (if he can, then he and Obi-Wan win)and Obi-Wan falls to the combined might of Bane and Zannah.
2. Annakin vs Bane and Obi-Wan vs Zannah: Annakin and Bane fight each other to a stalemate while Obi-Wan defeats Zannah, although his win isn't quite as fast as Zannah`s win against Annakin would be. Then Annakin and Obi-Wan`s combined teamwork take down Bane. I believe Obi-Wan would notice Zannah trying to probe his mind. He's smart, and would never allow his apprentice to fight this opponent.
The real question is which outcome is most likely, and I believe it's the second. Annakin, being Annakin, would rush to fight the one he deems the more powerful fighter, and that would be Bane. Obi-Wan is superior to Zannah in every way in my opinion, and he would not let Annakin fight Zannah when he recognizes what she is attempting to do to him.
Too long didn't read? I disagree with your outcome hapoening. Although I do agree it is a possible outcome, I don't believe it is the most likely. Great video either way.
I agree with this, my friend.
I agree that the second outcome is more likely.
Jackman LeBlanc i actully very much agree with this, i doubt obi-wan would let anakin fall to the madness.
DLWF
Exactly. I think Antoine treated this team fight too much like a 1v1 and a 1v1 rather than a 2v2. Teamwork is very important, and I doubt there's any argument against Obi-Wan and Anakin having the better teamwork right?
However there is no guarantee that Kenobi would beat zannah. She beat a powerful Jedi who was at least comparable to Kenobi with bladework offensively. Furthermore that Jedi did not have any obvious flaws to use sorcery against and yet it still works. Kenobi would have had no experience with this whole that Jedi is more likely to have come across it as he would have fought in the war a few years prior. Also zannah would have been more powerful in dynasty of evil than in that book as it was a few years after
31:17 Nonsense my dude, he didn't have much of a problem penetrating Padme, am I right boys?
*Intense high-fives follow*
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@@lapplandkun9273 yes
Please stop.
I have only one qualm. We’ve seen how Anakin reacts to his inner demons coming forth. HE GETS MAD, Zanna’s spells, I believe, would just trigger a rage state in Anakin.
Anakin has never faced his inner demons like that except ones with the son of Mortis. It distracted him for a good while, long enough for Zannah to kill him several times over
Fair enough, I suppose Zannah's sorcery would be a far more intense thing than we've ever seen him handle. I still think that it might provoke a rage in him, letting him overpower Zannah, but I can accept that he would be off balanced long enough for a fatal blow. I never watched much of TCW, it never really grabbed me, but I suppose I should get around to before trying to debate points like this.
he'd just yell about sand
If you saw the Mortis arc, you'd see for that... what, a solid minute or two Anakin basically breaks down as he sees everything he's done and will do. It wouldn't be as strong as that, as it wouldn't show the future, but it'd let you get more than a few cuts and stabs in before Anakin even began to recover
read the books Zannahs sorcery is stronger than anything from CW, She used ancient Sith Sorcery that could even break Bane when he had at this point conqoured his demons
Not to mention Sith Sorcery works different to just 'raising inner demons' its more like trapping someone in their mind with their demons and fears.
If zannahs opponent has anything in their mind she can sense it they are doomed no question about it.
and honestly Zannahs perfects opponent would be Anakin no doubt about it she would utterly crush him within seconds
Thoroughly enjoyed this one friend. :)
Hey, he lives!
Antoine Bandele actually Evans put out a few videos recently.
I don't think you're giving Kenobi enough credit for his tactical prowess when it comes to match ups. Wouldn't Kenobi recognize Zannah's abilities to defeat Anakin if she attempted it on Kenobi in the first place? It's not like Kenobi isn't aware of Anakin being mentally manipulable, such as when he rushed Dooku in their first encounter in anger.
tbf though banes tactical showings are also very impressive, Zannah herself is strategic as her fighting style relies on holding until she can find an opening. anakin is the only one without any real strategic use in a duel
Perhaps if Obi-Wan had familiarity with Sith Sorcery, which he does not.
If Obi-Wan fought Zannah first and proved able to defend against her probing, would this not give him enough leverage to deduce it likely isn't the best idea to send Anakin against her? I assume that if she uses her abilities against Obi-Wan and fails that he probably will end up throwing together a theory or two about what it was she was doing - after all, mind tricks aren't unknown in the era of Obi-Wan/Anakin.
SchwiegerH Kenobi may have assumed that Zannah's mental probing was just that: probing. Perhaps he believed that she would use any information that she found in Dun Möch tactics, which don't really effect him at all. He's inexperienced with Sith Sorcery but he also doesn't offer anything that would emotionally compromise him. Furthermore, I don't think that he's powerful enough to block her probes while at the same time look into her mind. Zannah does not have a weak mind, so any attempt to probe hers would also not result in anything.
Antoine Bandele however true that may be he would know of zannah’s spell effect therefore knowing that it could be a really big screw up if he switched it up therefore he wouldn’t, plus I believe you give zannahs defense too much credit against obi wan because I believe based off of everything I know obi wan would be able to quickly pickup on zannahs technique and best know how to counter it since he’s pretty much the master of soresu there fore leading to a team Jedi victory
The end of the order vs the start of the order.
Darth Stalker Very true man :)
ggh
the here comes the first order
I am the true beginning
Darth Stalker start of new sith order end of Jedi order
This is probably my favorite VS of yours , nicely done !
Thanks dude! I hit you up with an e-mail regarding another match up.
Sounds good!
*A L L A B O A R D T H E H Y P E T R A I N*
Mine too
A top-quality video as always, but I disagree with the outcome and your stance on Zannah's mind probing vs. Anakin. The way I see it, dredging up Anakin's fears and memories would go very similarly to how her spells would work against Darth Vader: There'd be a short interval where he'd be down for the count, but those fears and memories would fuel his anger and his fury and he would use that to overpower Zannah. While Anakin would be down longer from her sorcery than Vader would, he'd still tap into his Dark Side power and crush her. From there, Anakin and Obi-Wan's battlefield chemistry and combined strength would win them the day against Bane.
But that's just it, you're pointing it out yourself. What Zannah is doing is applying an opening. She's not going to try and completely dominate his mind like she did with Set Harth or the other no-names. She'd use it as a rouse, similar to how Anakin and Vader use loose material to distract their opponents. All Zannah needs is that moment to subvert Anakin's guard.
You make a good point, but what you're saying relies on Zannah being able to capitalize on the opening before Anakin can beat the shit out of her. I don't think she'd be able to do that, especially when she finds all the juicy bits of pain and fear floating around in his head and decides to dredge them all up, which would only serve to make Anakin go full-on Vader on her like he did against Barriss Offee in the Jedi Temple.
I'd personally see the mental attacks on Anakin as an unknown double-edged sword. Every time Anakin finds himself in anguish, what does he do? Lash out with a tremendous amount of anger. I'd say that her mental attacks would not give enough of an opening for a kill, but one to knock him back and try to disrupt him more for the kill. Anakin and the like can use loose material mid-fight to create openings in the midst of fighting. The way you put it, Zannah actively needs an opening, albeit a small one, to make use of that ability. There's also the fact that you said Obi would have them switch which I doubt would be done so carelessly. If she tried to probe Obi-Wan's mind, he would be aware and would know Anakin should not face her. The man was a general during the war, he knows tactically, Zannah is Anakin's weakness. If they did switch, he would at least make Anakin aware.
Furious Sherman First of all, read the Bane books and then proceed to write a comment. Thanks.
MIKEY jesus, why do you all NOT GET IT ffs. Zannah trained in lightsaber combat with Bane. Bane uses a FAR more ferocious style of Djem So. Zannah was used to fight against this kind of combatant because of the regular training she had. She mastered Form III Soresu and was more than just a capable fighter. What she needed was just a very brief moment to cast her spell. If she could do that in her last fight against Bane, she certainly could do it vs Anakin. So thinking she wouldnt find an opening is just dumb and wrong.
When you really think about it, Anakin trains against literal Soresu perfection.
Zannah won't have the time to employ a mind probe because she'll be too busy getting pummeled by Anakin, who's trained against a far superior version of Zannah's Soresu. It won't take Anakin long to figure out how Zannah's defense cycle goes.
Completely agree, Zannahs spells would definitely mess Anakin up big time, she would pour sand all over his dead mother and make padme a slave. So many things she could use against Anakin. I'm wondering if she were to know about Obi wans past relationship with( I can't remember her name but I think she was political) along with visions of Qui Gons death could affect him too. Great video, really enjoyed it
Damnit! I should have made a joke about sand in the video! #missedopportunities
This was such an awesome Versus matchup (and quite the hard one tbh lol) truly this was the fight of the Century Antoine can't wait for the next video :)
Agreed
Gotta disagree skywalker would have overpowered zahanna or if he couldn't its highly likely kenobi would have sensed anikan's emotional shift and jumped from bane and threw zhanna or blocked her to give skywalker the time to recover
These two have worked together for ever and them suddenly not doesnt make sense
I don't see Kenobi controlling his engagement with Bane so effectively where he could turn his back and start helping Anakin (I mean, unless Kenobi wants his back burnt by Force lightning).
Damon Wade there isn't much Kenobi could do to be honest. If Anakin cannot take Zannah, they lose. Kenobi would be so incredibly hard pressed by Bane he might break himself.
Antoine Bandele im think quite literaly leap away but it all depends on how far apart they get
If Obi-Wan can't control Bane well enough to break away and momentarily support Anakin, how can Zannah control Anakin well enough to concentrate on a force attack? If the defensive Zannah only needs a moment's opportunity to kill Anakin, how does the offensive Anakin not take advantage of the momentarily lessened defense of Zannah when she goes for the force attack?
Also, why would the Jedi, with the better team dynamic, opt for individual battles rather than working together? Why would the spatially and situationally aware Kenobi be outmaneuvered so easily?
Deusmortis those are two very different scenarios. Obi wan breaking away from his own fight isn't the same as zannah focusing on hers singularly.
I'm not sure why they'd work together. Through the time as partners they usually only work together against one opponent but with two they very well might split up.
r.i.p anakin
cause: genjutsu
+Bob George Okay...this cant be a coincidence.
Underrated comment.
Obito Uchiha vs Darth Vader confirmed (spoiler: Obito Stomps)
@@MementoMoriIlluminatusDrStrang no
@@berniceslaughter6423 yes
Woah.Woah. Wait. And Kenobi grabbing up Anakin's lightsaber and going offensive typhoon like he did in the Clone Wars doesn't factor in? Come on dude. I also believe that Anakin would stomp a mud-hole through Zannah before she knew what hit her.
(1) Legends-only (no TCW was used here)
(2) Bane and Zannah > Maul and Savage
TCW conflicts with the original continuity of the Clone Wars, which is Legends. So no, it does not align (though for a time it did).
Kenobi has shown a fantastic offensive output with two sabers in the Republic comics. After being tortured for over a month while in his pre-prime, he fights through 20 armed guards and defeats Ventress. Defeating Ventress, while at a state notably under his performance at the time of this hypothetical match-up is set shows that he should at least contend with Bane and Zannah for a brief time while using Jar'Kai. Of course, Ventress is not Bane, but Obi was not at his prime and was physically and psychologically hindered while defeating VENTRESS, someone on about the same level as Hannah (I know you share this opinion from your Ventress vs. Zannah video).
yea does anyone remember when adi gallia was killed by savage obi wan forced her lightsaber to him and at an extremely close quarters duel with 2 lightsaber vs Maul prime and Savage Prime he over powered both of them because of his focused anger i think he would easily hold on zannah and bane even if it did happen. 18 strikes per second is much faster than what zannah and bane could do combined
they were still two tanks pressing obi wan and i didnt say 8 i said 18 and if bane did that he wasnt hit the rain, he was just blocking it it has nothing to do with his attacks, it just means hes fast as fuck boi. obi wan is faster than people give him credit for and even more of anakin even anakin was by no means a dumb duelist. He was one of the best tacticians in the jedi order behind kenobi and if obi wan can block 18 strikes per second having the force control him im sure he could do even better if he lets the force control him again
Darth Malgus vs Plo Koon.
Lord Voldemort vs Mother Talzin.
Darth Maul vs Shaak Ti.
Qui Gon Jinn vs Tholme.
Luke Skywalker vs Kit Fisto.
Luminara Unduli vs Aayla Secura.
Ahsoka Tano (Rebels) vs Asajj Ventress.
Darth Plagueis vs Darth Andeddu
Darth Wyyrlok III vs Wolfe Karkko.
Bruce Jedi Lee Those are some awesome matches.It's tricky on who would be the victors
Star Wars Versus Man Thanks man
+Bruce Jedi Lee These are great matchups. Here are my current bets. Malgus, Talzin?, Jinn, which Luke? Because basically any incarnation except ROTJ stomps, Luminara, Rebels Tano (even though the inconsistencies cause great rage in me), Plague, Wyyrlok because lightsaber combat of all things. Karkko and Wyyrlok cancel out everything they other do in force abilities and Wyyrlok's ability to briefly contend with Darth Krayt is way better than Volfe contending with Battle meditation Vos.
Rob George 1: Why did you put a question mark after Talzin?
2: It is ROTJ Luke
+Bruce Jedi Lee The question mark was due to being really really shaken. I think Talzin would win, but idk. Since its ROTJ Luke, Kit stomps.
After watching this video, I found there were a lot of things I agreed with and others where I disagreed. The first thing I would like to address, I agree if Anakin fights Zannah and Obi-Wan fights Bane, Anakin is totally screwed, though I do think there's a chance that Zannah's spells could trigger a rage within Anakin that would be a lot like Ryu from Street Fighter giving in to his Raging Demon. However, for the sake of argument, I will say that I do agree that Zannah's spells will be useful against Anakin and have great potential to finish him. On the other hand, if Obi-Wan were to fight Zannah at the start of the fight while Anakin fights Bane, I have more faith in Obi-Wan bringing down Zannah for good. I also think it would be likely that she'd try to use her Force magic on Kenobi and fail to hinder him, and when she does this, he'd choose to keep fighting her until he's beaten her. And since Anakin has shown he can hold out in a marathon fight, I see him and Bane remaining in a deadlock until either Obi-Wan or Zannah fell, with Zannah the more likely to go down first. The part that I disagree with completely is that I don't see a switch happening at all. That feels more like a rookie mistake to make against Bane and Zannah. So, do I think Bane and Zannah can win? Yes, but only if the fight starts with Anakin challenging Zannah while Obi-Wan tries to hold off Bane. But if it's reversed, I don't see Obi-Wan recommending to Anakin that they switch targets and would elect to finish Zannah himself, which I feel is the wiser decision for the Jedi. In conclusion, to me, this is a 50-50 split, as it all depends on the different pairings. Bane and Zannah will win if it's Bane vs Obi-Wan and Zannah vs Anakin, but the Jedi heroes will win if it's the reverse. But either way, the apprentice will always go down first, and then the master will follow.
Great analysis wish Antoine would’ve thought of this
One issue is there is no guarantee that she would fall to hinder Kenobi. She drove bane to his knees in their fight with sorcery. Furthermore she does have some adeptitue with other sith powers which Kenobi had shown to be well too. The issue I have with using zannah in any match is there is actually very little info on her fighting art this level except against a true master. It's very difficult to actually judge whether or not she would have been able to affect Kenobi as she is even more powerful than she was in the previous book where she crippled and killed a Jedi with her powers. Also there was no suggestion that the Jedi she did kill was particularly vulnerable to such powers and she beat him anyway
All these people saying that Zannah's spell might "trigger a rage within Anakin" or something similar just make me sick. Either you haven't read the Bane trilogy and therefore have no clue how her ability works, or you simply dont get it for whatever reason. Like Antoine said: Zannah's spell is super effective against Anakin and there is NOTHING TO SAY AGAINST THAT. Get over it.
Disagree with the assessment of Anakin vs Bane and Zannah vs Kenobi.
*First of all, it is clear that Anakin vs Bane would end first.* Honestly, that is obvious beyond belief. *Both Zannah's and Kenobi's styles are primarly defensive* and both are excellent in this department (I believe Obi-Wan is slightly better but not by much). They are both clever fighters and excellent at surviving. It's hard to say who wins a long battle of constitution between the two (probably Obi-Wan). A lot of people say that Zannah lacks offensive output but honestly I've seen little evidence of this. She certainly employs a lot of offensive moves against people like Set Harth (who is admittedly way worse than Kenobi) using Ataru to a much greater degree than Obi-Wan. She was defensive against the hyper-agressive Bane, much like how Obi-wan was defensive in his duel vs Anakin on Mustafar and I would honestly argue that her offensive output is comparable if not better than Obi-Wan's. But anyway, neither is good enough to break through the other's defence anytime soon.
(Also, just a sidenote, Zannah is a similar (but superior) opponent to Ventress who, while never really giving Anakin+Kenobi a real run for their money, at least survived several encounters with them and Zannah is more defensive whilst being similarly acrobatic/evasive)
So really, what it will be is Anakin or Bane beating the other and overwhelming the remaining member of the opposing team (although I'm not even entirely convinced that Anakin and Obi-Wan would necessarily beat Bane since I rate Bane over Dooku and, as a team, the pair had a poor performance against Dooku whose downfall came about by goading Anakin into using the Dark Side+Overconfidence+Old Age/Lack of strength which will not be the same for Bane since Bane is both smart and strong. They probably, maybe take majority vs Bane but not guaranteed majority. Btw Obi will also survive for a long time vs Bane+Zannah too).
Anyway, Bane is smarter, more nuanced, more knowledgable than Anakin (knows all the forms etc), has had many more years of practice and is roughly comparable in force power (even though Anakin's potential power is greater, Bane's practiced use of the force probably even gives him an edge). Yes Anakin is battle-hardened but the majority of those battles were against blaster-wielding foes. If you only count the movies, he's been in less 'real' lightsaber conflicts than Bane (technically true, even if you don't count the training duels at the Sith Academy which were real enough so that people died in them). If you accept Clone Wars in all of its flawed glory, then yes Anakin has been in a lot of duels, though many were against Ventress who is of far lower calibre than anyone fighting here, but Bane's training and years of practice, in my mind, still come out on top; particularly the harsh, combat-1v1-oriented training at the Sith Academy, not to mention the holocrons he's learned from.
(btw, if you talk about this being a team battle instead of 2 1v1s then you have to admit that, whatever he does, Anakin is not evading Zannah's sorcery and that Zannah will attack both with her power before concentrating it all on Anakin who is weaker to it)
*tl;dr Bane vs Anakin will end centuries before the Zannah vs Obi-Wan fight does. Bane comes out on top and Obi will eventually fall to Bane+Zannah.*
@@r123554 Obi Wan is THE master of form 3.
Haven't even finished but already grinning from ear to ear! Thanks Antoine!
I say that you VASTLY underestimate Anakin's willpower in this matchup, not only do you overlook the fact that he was able to overwhelm Dooku with only some of his fury after Obi Wan was knocked out, but he also did it without his master and 0 encouragement from Sidious.
Excerpt: Each parry cost Dooku more power than he'd used to throw Kenobi across the room, each block aged him a decade he no longer even tried to strike back, force exhaustion had closed down his perception drawing his consciousness back down to his physical form until he could barely even feel the contours of the room around him, he dimly sensed stairs at his back stairs that led up to the entrance balcony, he retreated up them using the higher ground for leverage, but Skywalker just kept on coming, tirelessly, ferocious and even now he was holding himself back, even now as he landed at Dooku's flank and reigned blows upon the Sith Lord's defences even as he drove Dooku backwards step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will.
Wouldn't it be safe to assume he could do something similar to his fear and anguish should Zannah get to him mentally, because Dooku is more level headed than Zannah will ever be and if he couldn't break Anakin's control what hope did Zannah have?
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex.
There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day.
No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second.
However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
Yes that makes sense, but the way you describe Anakin in this matchup you'd think he'd mentally break every time he saw someone he loved injured but this isn't true because if it was he'd have broken down crying in AOTC resulting in his own and Kenobi's deaths and if he didn't there in ROTS when Kenobi was knocked out he would've done something similar, the only people he could ever have that hypothetical reaction to are Padmé Skywalker and his mother and neither of them are near this battle so his fears are merely limited to Obi Wan Kenobi who he has fought on without plenty of times
But how much time do you need to do all that? Would she have it against Anakin's constant blows?
@@andrewstokes6623 when Anakin encounters he goes batshit when his mother died he slaughtered the sand people when she uses that spell he will batshit , the spell would work very she will just wish it didn't
ahmad abdul-ghaffar ur not understanding how her spells work it doesn’t make him mad it drives him mad theirs a difference considering palpatine had him abt to kill the very woman he’d been trying to save I think sith sorcery especially against ROTS Anakin is a very good bet
Can't help but feel like Zannah's initial probes of Anakin's mind would do nothing more than stir him up and ultimately he'd finish her off similarly to how he did with Ventress in the original Clone Wars cartoon.
This is wierd but this could be cool
Do a Star Wars hunger games
Set this up in a large open area where they are only given their weapons, armor and wits and they struggle for food shelter and other stuff(just like the hunger games) and you could go through and basically say who you think would win the Star Wars hunger games and why
Obviously it's Everyone for themselves...but characters would create alliances but some would betray them and I think it would be crazy and would love to see who you think would win
I would have to go with Sidious tbh
I love the idea!
great idea!
Battle Royale!
We need this to be a thing.
I'm calling Anakin and Obi-Wan
What? How?
It wouldn't have Anakin killed it would push him harder and with more anger. He would have destroyed Zahana. As we've seen many times when promoted with visions or anything that would put his wife in danger he basically becomes a juggernaut at most it would be a second or two not several.
Zannah's spells aren't just an I'm-going-to-make-you-pissed-off power. It employs mind shard, which causes physical pain through the mind. All Zannah would need is a split second for Anakin to clutch at his head or wince from that pain to slice him through. The second part of her ability is the memory walk, where Zannah will pull at all of Anakin's inner demons. And the third aspect of her spells is Horror, which elicits fear.
Zannah's ability only needs to work a few seconds. It doesn't need to be indefinite. While she can make much weaker people go completely mad, I don't think she'd do that to Anakin. But she can stop, in my opinion, Anakin long enough for her to capitalize on an opening, just as she did against Sarro Xaj.
However, if she does not jump on that opening, or is altogether unsuccessful, then yes, Anakin would achieve a rage amp on par with what he did against Dooku and what within the Knightfall Operation (as highlighted in the video).
Antoine Bandele I do agree that he would die, just not in the way you explained it. I feel more along the lines of she uses the ability to help blind him in his rage while her master comes in behind for a quick swoop in the back. I haven't been able to read qnything about Zahana and her powers or bane. I can't find any of the books anywhere and it posses me off because I sound really ignorant when in trying to say something about bane or zanaha. My school is a getting new star wars book soon so maybe they'll be their. Thanks for the reply and explanation. I couldn't watch the whole video until now, first I'm replying then I watching it, keep up the great work man :)
You could try ordering them off amazon. The Darth Bane trilogy are Path of Destruction, Rule of Two, and Dynasty of Evil. They're good books, I recommend them.
As to the Sith Sorcery, I see it as roughly a 50/50 chance that it succeeds. In D&D terms, it depends on whether Anakin fails his Will save. If he succeeds, Zannah's wasted her turn and Anakin attacks back. If it succeeds, Anakin is stunned for a round, and Zannah gets a free attack.
Agreed
Here is how it was applied against Bane (who knew full-well what Zannah was capable of, mind you).
"Then the knife exploded, sending a million burning shards in every direction. Each one burrowed into his subconscious, seeking out buried fears and nightmares only to rip them free and haul them to the surface.
Bane let out a scream and dropped to his knees. When he stood up the sky was thick with a swarm of flying horrors. Their wings were torn and ragged, leather flaps of skin hanging from exposed bone. Their bodies were small and malformed, their twisted legs ending in long, sharp talons. Their flesh was a sickly yellow: the same color as the faces of the miners who had died on Apatros after being trapped in a gas-filled chamber.
Their features were inhuman, but their burning eyes were unmistakable: each creature was staring at him with the hate-filled gaze of his abusive father. As one, they swooped down on him, their mouths screeching out a cry that sounded like his father's name: hurst, hurst, hurst!"
I've missed star wars versus series, thank you for doing this video
Eddard Skywalker I missed is Star Wars Versus as well I'm glad they are back :)
I literally watch this going to bed because it's the most relaxing and interesting videos ever
A great match up and great battle, though I slightly disagree with the verdict. As this is a 2v2 it is extremely complicated and a hard battle to work out, so I am going to go through what I think would happen.
In the early stage of the battle I see it going much like the way you said, except I don't see a early victory for either. I have one thing to add, as Zannah is not under a lot of pressure from Kenobi I think she would test the waters with her sorcery, achieving nothing against him. I would see this ending with a 0/0.
In the middle stage is where some differences would be observed in my battle, which is I don't think a switch would happen, Kenobi while not knowing exactly what Zannah was doing he surely would of sensed a mental probe and attempt on his mind, knowing Anakin was a little unstable he would not switch in my opinion. On the other side of the field Anakin and Bane are fighting it up and the same is true for Zannah and Kenobi, Zannah could try to refocus and try and do a attack against Anakin, however this could be risky, as the second or 2 it takes to gather her focus against Anakin would leave her open to attack, seeing this I actually see this as a 50/50 chance she will try something against Anakin. If she does then I see her falling soon after, though the spell would more then likely go off, it would of left enough of a gap in her defence for Kenobi to exploit and kill her, however with Anakin, well that second is all it would of took for Bane to finish him off. However if it goes the other way, if she decides it is too risky, then the battle will continue on Kenobi vs Zannah with neither side gaining a advantage. On Bane vs Anakin if the sorcery didn't go of I see something interesting happening, Bane sensing Djem so isn't working would switch to his more aggressive version with Juyo, with this no immediate victory is won as again neither side take a advantage. For this round I see this going 2/2 for them both, while in one version neither side got a advantage in the other, both side lost the apprentice, so we will see how this plays out.
In the late stage there are two possible ways for them to lead up here, with all 4 still alive or Bane and Kenobi fighting each other. Let us first see what will happen if all 4 still alive. this is where it gets interesting, personally I see Bane falling to Anakin, I think his Stamina would finally run out after he uses Juyo for a extensive period of time and Anakin with this being one of the hardest fights he has ever done, would reach his pinnacle, just as he did with Dooku or possible even further. Once this is done, He would go and help Kenobi against Zannah, and she wouldn't stand much of a chance, she would be tired just as all of them would be and even if she got of a spell against Anakin, Kenobi would be able to defend him while he recovered, eventually resulting in her defeat. If Kenobi and Bane was the only ones left this is how I would see it going, Bane would run up to him and as the battle goes on Bane will realise that he will lose eventually as even with his more defensive style, he is too tired from fighting Anakin and he can't penetrate Kenobi's defence, because of this he would fall upon his force powers, lightning and force choke, if Kenobi could withstand this he would eventually win, however I don't think he would be able to and will die, with Bane the sole victor. I see this going 5/5 and purely based on circumstance, would Zannah risk a spell on Anakin while fighting Kenobi? I honestly am unsure. If you got any criticism let me know!
Personally I believe that zannah would only cause Anakin to explode emotionally with her use of madness, effectively boosting Anakin to one of his incredible feats rather than crippling him.. but good analysis all the same
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex.
There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day.
"Opening herself up to the power of the dark side, Zannah reached out and touched the mind of her Master.
* * *
Bane sensed the attack, bracing himself.
He had encouraged Zannah's training in Sith sorcery, knowing she might very well use it against him one day. If it turned out he wasn't strong enough to survive, then he wasn't worthy of being the Dark Lord of the Sith.
That didn't mean he was unprepared, however. Dark side sorcery was complex; it attacked the psyche in ways that were difficult to explain and even more difficult to defend against. Bane had no talent for it, yet he had done his best to study the techniques. What he learned was that the only real counter was the victim's strength of will.
Zannah's assault began as a sharp pain in his skull, like a hot knife stabbing directly into his brain before carving down to slice the two hemispheres in half. Then the knife exploded, sending a million burning shards in every direction. Each one burrowed into his subconscious, seeking out buried fears and nightmares only to rip them free and haul them to the surface.
Bane let out a scream and dropped to his knees."
_Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil - Chapter 26_
No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second.
However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
I honestly disagree that Bane & Kenobi would be "too close to call" in terms of a lightsaber duel. Rather, I believe that Bane would take the upper hand against Obi Wan. As you said, Bane & Anakin are roughly equal, & had it not been for dark-side Anakin's arrogance, he would've likely defeated Obi Wan on Mustafar, as he just looked all-around better than him during that duel. Not only is Bane also a Djem So master & roughly equal to Anakin regarding strength & speed, but he's too smart to allow the same type of arrogance to get the better of him. Essentially, Bane would be a more mature, commonsensical version of Anakin, & therefore wouldn't fall for Obi Wan's "high ground" as Anakin did, or any of his other tricks.
I disagree that Anakin looked better as a duelist. A fighter relentlessly being aggressive does NOT mean they’re the better fighter. Ask Floyd Mayweather.
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You're drunk if you think Anakin woukd stop attacking long enough for spells😂😂😂
This whole outcome depends on Zannah's ability to attack Anakin mentally. I feel like if she starts her dirty deeds before she and Anakin close to saber range then she has a good chance of succeeding of getting in his head and distracting him enough to get a strike in. However... once the blades start swinging I doubt she would be able to make her attack without taking some focus away fro. Her blade work and at that point Anakin breaks through her defense and kills her.
Revan and Malek vs obi wan and anakin
RevanTheFallen revan solos
I overrated my boi don't kill me
He doesn't solo but
RevanTheFallen you just got obi and Anakin now, think of someone different
That's the next team battle. And to Joshua, that is very, very silly, especially when examining *Darth* Revan (who is a ridiculously overrated character).
Antoine Bandele overrated by your point of view love him & Joshua bro don’t underestimate Skywalker & Kenobi
Antoine Bandele well it would depend on what time set we are referring to also yeah i admit i overrated him but if we look at it who do you think would win
Also
assaj vs barris
Barris vs savage
Savage vs ventress
Dooku vs maul
Dooku vs windu (if you haven't done it idr)
Kylo vs kanan
Rebels ahsoka vs anikan
Vader vs revan
Bane vs malgus
Maul vs obi wan
Windu vs obi wan
Clone wars ahsoka vs savage
Old maul vs rebels ahsoka
Windu vs Palpatine
Grand inquisitor vs kylo ren
Vader vs bane
Shaxt ti vs plo koon
Shact ti vs rebels ahsoka
Bane vs dooku
Zannah vs maul
Starkiller/galen vs obi wan
Maul vs grevious
Yoda vs grevious only lightsaber combat
inquisitor grand vs kit fisto
Kit fisto vs grevious
In the late fight, Obi would use Jar'Kai with Anakin's ligjtsaber
Legends not cannon
Yah he also use his anger to just like how maul killed qui gon
I feel like Anakin would actually fuelled more when Zannah would try to pull up his inner Demons
Darth Bane vs Darth Malgus.
Zachary Rose I vote bane
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Zachary Rose Yeah. He kind of already did that one.
Antoine Bandele lol.
Zachary rose he already made that one
I believe Anakin and Obi Wan would win, because Obi Wan would know Zannah would use Sith sorcery and keep Anakin away from her.
1) Obi-Wan doesn't know that (he knows nothing about Sith-sorcery)
2) Bane would prevent Obi-Wan from controlling the engagement, Bane's lightning can rip down Force-walls and instantly reduce people to ash
I like to imagine that when Bane and Obiwan first face off, there are a few minutes where no blows are thrown, each I’m focusing on soresu. Staring intently into each others’ eyes, one will adjust their stance slightly, and the other will respond in turn, playing defensive headgames with each other as the duel between Anakin and Zannah rages on around them.
I think Ankakin after getting all thease fears would turn on full Vader mode and began to fight like in episode 3
Darth Bane and Darth Zannah!
I'm very impressed with your assessments and insights in this video. In fact, I've been theorizing over a potential match-up between Obi-Wan and Darth Bane for almost a year. Both were between Tier 2-1.5 Council Masters, unbelievable lightsaber masters and relatively overblown or undervalued Force-users respectively. Both of them valued simplicity but one paired it with overwhelming power and the other unique creativity and awareness. Kenobi was always looking for an advantage, and applied his ingenuity and creativity in any situation, while Dart Bane was at his most dangerous with advanced planning, but always fell-back on the direct-approach when unanticipated situations exploded in his face. Also, their respective relationships with their own students made it even more interesting:
Anakin/Darth Bane=both Djem So Specialists with overwhelming talent and power, who focused on leveraging their overwhelming magnitude in all circumstances. However, one had a much more balanced skill-set than the other, and applied the same magnitude to all of his skills. While Bane's self-mastery and self-discipline exceeds Anakin's by a significant margin.
Kenobi/Darth Zannah=rare defensive heavyweights who focused on undermining their enemies, and exploiting an open as soon as it came. However, one utilized their martial skills as a tool to be used as needed, and otherwise depended on her innately exoteric powers, while being tactically unaware and, on the small-scale, gullible. While the other used physical and conventional abilities in unorthodox and creative ways, and was one of THE most tactical and strategic masters of his time. GreyJedi91 once described Zannah as a Sith Sorcery with the mentality of a Sith Juggernaught. I personally agree, and believe that Kenobi can be described a Jedi Guardian with the mindset of a Jedi Consular: he was a martially-focused Jedi who was dedicated to bringing and maintaining peace. Yet he favoured flexibility and diplomacy in every situation, and used subtlety and simplicity to undermine and control individuals and a situation rather than depending solely on pure physical abilities to the same degree that Mace Windu, Plo Koon, pre-darkside Malak, Quinlan Vos, Kyp Durron, Qui-GOn Jinn, or Kao Cen Darach did.
The similarities between Kenobi and Darth Zannah were only skin-deep, while Darth Bane and Anakin had notably deeper parallels in their fighting methods, powers and methodologies. Albeit, the depth of those parallels were moderate at most, but they remain serious. Especially given the potential for Darth Bane to apply the strategies he developed to use against Darth Zannah to defeat Kenobi. Of which around 90% would fail at best, and leave him exposed to be crippled or killed at worst.
Alternatively, Darth Bane's immensely greater power and willingness to use it in any situation would put him in a very favourable position against Kenobi's most notably weakness: his ability to withstand Force-attacks from anyone around the Tier 2-1 level. However, the only abilities that Bane has consistently against Force-users around his own league were Force-repulse, Force-scream, and Force-Lightning. Rather than the more focused powers like Force-push, Force-grip, Force-Whirlwind or Throwing loose that have been used by Count Dooku, Kyle Katarn, Darth Malgus, Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, Darth Malak, Exar Kun, Darth Sidious, Darth Kryat, Mara Jade Skywalker, Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus, Jaina Solo-Fel, Kao Cen Darach, or the Jedi Exile on a consistently regular basis. Even Anakin Skywalker, Cade Skywalker, and Asajj Ventress have used Force-grips, Force throws and Force-push against opposing Force-users around or above their league more often than Darth Bane has.
And when Bane was engaged in more dramatic examples of Force-power against Force-users around his league or higher, it was usually on a grand-scale or from a distance rather than with concentrated focus or up-close and personal. Such as demolishing the building on Lehon, or using Force-lightning to attack Darth Zannah after she starting using Darkside-tendrils. His use of alter-abilities mirrored his strategic genius; being at their most effective on a grand-scale rather than up-close and quick-on-the-draw. Similar to Yoda and Mace Windu.
A situation that Kenobi could arguably match him in given his own large-scale alter-class powers. Such as levelling three Felucian Trees while on the outer-haul of a Starship, sending General Grevious flying dozens of meters into the air with enough force to dent solid metal, blasting the Gen'dai Durge apart with a Force-Repulse, and matching a rage-fueled Darth Vader in a telekinetic arm-wrestle. (Something I think has been undervalued by some. Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader was THE most powerful Force-users in existence. And the innate magnitude of power in his Force-abilities would have been amplified by his darks die emotions to a dangerous high level. While he did lack greater skill with the simplistic method, a Sith like pre-armoured Darth Vader could pour a huge amount of raw power into such a move from emotional intensity alone. Only someone with Tier 1-2 power and skill could match that kind of intensity for even a moment. And Kenobi held-on long enough to cause them to stalemate each other). Following a example you you have used in a previous video, such a feat would be like a mature Twilight Vampire matching a Newborn in pure physical strength. Although, Kenobi would only be able to moderately match, Darth Bane. Not counter or overwhelm him. However, Kenobi is more predisposed to use the environment against this opponents. And both himself and Darth Bane are always looking for every advantage they can find in a fight.
Bane and Kenobi alone would undoubtedly be a close-match. But in this situation, it's even more difficult say depending on who is matched-up against whom: Kenobi/Bane and Anakin/Zannah, or Kenobi/Zannah against Anakin/Bane. Or would Kenobi and Anakin keep the fight a two vs. two, where their teamwork undoubtedly outshines the Sith through their training and experience?
I think Anakin should get the edge over Bane as a duelist. While I agree with everything else you said we need to remember a qoute from Rex "experience outranks everything". Anakin has seen more lightsaber duels than Bane has and while they weren't against other jugernaughts they were all against masters. I belive Anakins superior levels of experience would allow him to take Bane in a lightsaber duel
It's hard to say. I'm just not sure how Anakin would fare against someone as robust as him. We've only seen him go against light-weights (light-weights in terms of them not being heavy-hittings, not light-weight in the sense that they sucked or anything like that).
Yes and I did mention that but everyone he fought were on master level. And Anakin adapts quickly, he had never faced a duel wielder before but had little trouble against Ventress (no trouble related to her lightsaber style at least). This can maybe be attributed to his familiarity with the duel blade form but if that's the case then the same would happen with Bane as Anakin is very familiar with form 5. And even though Bane does include elements of form 3 in it Anakin has experience with that as well.
+Bruce Jedi Lee You are correct. Anakin has a superior degree of alivness than Darth Bane due to greater levels of live combat experience. However, I believe Darth Bane possess superior academic knowledge and took a very academic approach to lightsaber combat. If the style is something Bane already has researched, he can understand his opponent's application and adapt. Unfortunately for Anakin, while his application of Djem So is truly masterful, its still quite conventional which means Bane can figure him out and counter. However, this advantage of Bane comes from tactics and intelligence, rather than pure skill. Also, Bane's skillset is more well rounded than Anakin. Djem so for general purpose, form 3 for dedicated def, Juyo for dedicated offensive. While Anakin is pure djem so and ataru with intermediate-advanced knowledge of niman and shien. So I'm going with stalemate on this one. Bane's more well rounded skillset paired with his academic knowledge balances against Anakin's superior live combat experience. Maybe could go to Bane through war of attrition but Bane isn't that type of fighter.
Bane is smarter, more nuanced, more knowledgable than Anakin (knows all the forms etc), has had many more years of practice and is roughly comparable in force power (even though Anakin's potential power is greater, Bane's practiced use of the force probably even gives him an edge). Yes Anakin is battle-hardened but the majority of those battles were against blaster-wielding foes. If you only count the movies, he's been in the same amount (edit: less acutally, forgot battle vs Sirak for Bane) of 'real' lightsaber conflicts as Bane (technically true, even if you don't count the training duels at the Sith Academy which were real enough so that people died in them). If you accept Clone Wars in all of its flawed glory, then yes Anakin has been in a lot of duels, though many were against Ventress who is of far lower calibre than anyone fighting here, but Bane's training and years of practice, in my mind, still come out on top; particularly the harsh, combat-1v1-oriented training at the Sith Academy, not to mention the holocrons he's learned from.
Rhys Owen Anakin was stated to be as good a djem so duelist as one can be by Dooku. His also beat Dooku through finess not brute force. Also Anakin knows multipul forms and uses a lot of finess and adapts very quickly in fights. He also fought plenty of Magnaguards during the war. And no matter what type of battles you are more experienced with that experience will still be very useful in almost every type of fight. In battle, no matter which kind, you must learn to adapt quickly to changes mid fight and use your surroundings to your advantage in one way or another. That goes for fighting both blaster weilding and lightsaber weilding foes
This fight to me could come down to something often overlooked in combat: spacing. The Sith's main and only real game breaking advantage is Zannah's sorcery. But I find it hard to believe she would be able to launch an attack strong enough to incapacitate Anakin without being cut to ribbons herself. But that changes if she has the time to take Anakin on from a distance. If the switch happened in close proximity to one another, I'm not sure Zannah would be able to get to Anakin in time. But if there was any significant distance between them, that might be enough to swing it. Also, take into account Kenobi's touch with the living Force. He might sense the danger his Padawan would be in. Im not 100% sure how Kenobi would respond to that, but I see him perhaps being able to make use of his subversive abilities to knock Zannah off balance long enough for Anakin to strike. I don't think it would take a great deal for Anakin to beat Zannah, but admittedly I don't think much of Zannah as a duelist. If Anakin was able to resist at all, with the sorcery possibly enraging him further and amping him however unlikely that might be, he would dice Zannah. The margin for error here for the Sith is razor thin to me, and I see it being much more likely that the Jedi come out on top. Still in all, excellent video as always!
Wait if zannah use anakins fear against him wouldn't his fear turn to hate and he go in to a dark side rage which he's been known to do i mean anakins has faced attacks of the mind before though zannah is a master at it i just think anakin in a rage could have done a lot of damage to bane and zannah
Zannah’s Spells of Madness are more than just get-you-angry-and-hope-that-throws-you-off spells. It’s much deeper and complex.
There are three steps to her spell, (1) is *mind shard* which inflicts physical pain through the mind, used specifically to open an opponent to one’s attack, (2) is *memory walk* which forces the target to relive tragedies in their life, (3) is *horror* which raises the fear levels of one’s opponent. All of these used in conjunction with one another is Zannah’s power, which she mastered fully. The best example is how she used it against Darth Bane, someone who was fully aware of what she was capable of, yet was still susceptible to her powers. Against someone like Anakin, who would not expect the power, and who has far more horrors and inner demons than Bane does, Zannah would have a field day.
No, Zannah would not dominate Anakin and drive him to madness as she’s done with some of her other subjects, but that’s not the point. It’s not necessary. All Zannah is looking for is a split-second for Anakin to slip up. And considering how effective her spells would be against Anakin, she’ll get a fair bit more than a split-second.
However, as stated at 34:05 if Zannah fails, if she cannot capitalize on her advantage, she would most certainly give Anakin a substantial rage amp the likes of which we saw against Dooku and the Jedi Knights and Masters within the temple.
Ok thanks i understand now keep up the good work
@@AntoineBandele you drunk?
I think Zannah's Force Cloak was only truly matched by Darth Sidious. No one else has ever been able to hide from the Jedi as thoroughly as them.
you forgot to mention the fact that anakin and obi-wan achieved force-meld which essentially combined them mentally (one mind two bodies) and thus they don't split up, fighting as one entity
Only one problem with Anakin succumbing to Zannah's spell. Anakin is the kind of character to confront any tangible fears of his, not shy away from them. Every time he's been afraid of losing Kenobi, Ahsoka, or especially Padme, he actively confronts that fear and tries to stop it, almost to a fault, and definitely to a fault with Padme. So in my opinion, the spells of madness would only grant Anakin the resolve he needs to stop anything he sees from happening, similar to how Dooku's taunts simply backfired and gave Anakin exactly what he needed to defeat him. Zannah's attempt to make him fear losing Padme or anyone else would only make him lash out and strike her down, not cower in fear and leave himself vulnerable.
Although Zannah could exploit Anakin's fears to the advantage of his team, Anakin is not exactly so suspectible to mind-attacks.
And probably if something like that happened, probably Obi-Wan could act quickly, blocking the connection and sending Anakin back to reality.
Also, we know that exploting Anakin's fears can be a ''weapon of double edge'', because yes, it can cause him to loss his concentration but it CAN ALSO CAUSE the contrary effect, we have as proof that making Anakin mad can cause him to, ironically, focus more on the combat, and examples of proof are the later stages of the final fight against Dooku inside the Invisible Hand during the climax of the Battle Of Coruscant, in which Anakin, after seeing how Dooku knocked out his master from the contend with a force choke combined with a push to some metallic bars, increased his rage, focus and efforts to defeat Dooku and thanks to that he managed to overcome the Count of Serenno. Other proof is the duel in Clone Wars 2003 between Anakin Skywalker Vs Assaj Ventress, in which the story almost repeats itself.
Also, I think that Anakin and Obi-Wan are almost the ultimate duo, Obi-Wan is literally ''the wall of the walls'', he can distract enemies the enough time to give Anakin the opportunity to strike down they with a powerful counterattack.
Usign Spells Of Madness against Anakin is, in my opinion, risky, A VERY RISKY move.
fantastic video, Antoine, loved the way you presented your argument.
though, I am slightly skeptical of Zannah's ability to actually capitalize on Anakin's vulnerability. I definitely agree that Zannah's spells will tear Anakin's mind apart like a knife through butter, but when Zannah utilized this power against Bane, she didn't capitalize on the advantage presented because she couldn't let up on her concentration. She had to maintain her concentration otherwise the spell would break. While she was ultimately unsuccessful, she did stall Bane long enough to be able to kill him, just as you stated she would do to Anakin. But would she be able to capitalize on the advantage?
Because Anakin would be far more devastated than Bane was.
Awesome video. I know you're not a fan of the longer videos but I really like them, Greyjedi's Bane, Zannah vs kenobi, windu one being one of my favourites despite being about 2 hours. I like the way you addressed Kenobi's passive and active force wall, too many people either say his force wall is nonexistent or just as good as everyone else's. Give him time to prepare he can defend against Dooku level force pushes as shown in the clone wars season 6 episode where he did defend against Dooku, however if caught off guard he can be taken out of the fight completely. Zannah also gets quite a lot of crap, she deffo gets her chance to shine in this fight through. Good job 👏🏻
Thanks Tom.
I've been looking forward to this.
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That Guy Over There Good, twice the pride, double the fall.
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I feel like Obi-Wan would sense what Zannah is trying to do to him, and relay that to Anakin. I have no doubts they'd plan around that and be smart enough to keep Anakin unpaired with her.
He would be to busy with Bane
Bruce Jedi Lee he’s basically saying Obi Wan and Anakin wouldn’t switch opponents. Obi wouldn’t let Anakin fight Zannah since he felt her probing his mind and he knows Anakin would get devastated by such an ability
Some people seem to be missing a crucial point here. Zannah's mind probes would've made Anakin super mad. Much like they did with Darth Bane during their final duel. Bane was down for a while and was genuinely afraid of the monsters that Zannah conjured up, but once he realized they were fake, he unleashed a huge amount of rage.
*Hey did anyone mention Anakin getting angered by Zannah’s sorcery and becoming stronger*
yes. But that wasn't factored in
Because that’s not how that works. Darth Zannah’s spells are not some slide show, it’s mental torture. Anakin isn’t some God who just shrugs off his myriad of insecurities and gets mad immediately. There will be a period of time where he would be weakened and Zannah only needs those seconds
@@tnntaronewsnetwork4514 You're forgetting that she's literally immobile for seconds herself while formulating those spells, and that she only got away with it due to where she fought Bane, and the fact that he was older, more frail, and slower. Wouldn't have that advantage against a 23 year old Anakin.
@@TheStraightestWhitest Darth Bane is not “frail” nor “slow”. The man literally kept rain from hitting him for several minutes. And he’s massive.
Well done. I have waited for this video for weeks, and you did not disappoint.
People in the comments are acting like Zannahs spells are just simple memory walks. If a character is stable they will say Zannah can not possibly affect them, if a character is unstable they will just say he gets really mad.
Thank you, someone reasonable. I swear to god, does surprise factor not mean anything to people? Her magic doesn’t just get bounced off when it hits people.
My friends you have all forgotten the X factor in obiwans corner and that is the high ground
Gosh dang it Anakin you had one job 😂
I love your videos!
Thanks dude.
This was an interesting video, but I'm a little mixed on the verdict for a couple reasons. If Obi-wan opens with Zannah and she attempts her spells on him, he would definitely take notice of it and while he might not know what she tried, I don't think he would want to risk putting Anakin (who he knew wasn't the most mentally sound person) against such an opponent. Or if he did, he would at least make an effort to advise Anakin. Secondly, while it's definitely true that Zannah's spells would be devastating against Anakin and open him to attack, Obi-wan would definitely sense that something terrible has happened and come to his aid. Their bond was so strong that Obi-wan would likely be willing to sacrifice himself to protect his friend, possibly giving Anakin a chance to come to his senses. This might not change the verdict of the battle, but I just thought that those two points should be accounted for.
I feel like the madness wouldn’t be as effective, anakin is too prone to anger and it’s those visions of failure that fueled him and made him the monster that is Vader. I feel like zannah would see it as weakness and try to use it against him but instead would make him angrier and make the fight worse for herself.
I'd say that zanah would be cut down by Anikin after the madness spell out of sehr anger.
The fact that "Anikin" (Anakin) is just way to emotional to just ignore it and also the fact that he is not a sith yet so he will not only use his anger tells us, that zannah would break him (mentaly)
Takahashi Takeda Except we have seen Anakin use his anger when probed and taunted like this before he was a sith. He destroyed Dooku because of it and nearly killed ventress because of it. To be honest, Zannah would need to watch it, if she goes too overboard, Anakin might just snap, and if it's not enough, he can shrug it off. It would need to be a perfect middle.
There is a window Zannah has between Anakin freaking out from the images, pain and fear puncturing his mind, and him conducting himself and achieving a rage amp. I fall on the side of Zannah being able to take him out before he composes himself.
Not even close. Zannah's mind probing would work about as well on Anakin as it would on Vader, i.e. it'd increase his anger and fury a hundredfold and make him even more powerful, sealing Zannah's doom.
Antoine Bandele you’re forgetting how Anakin gets when you put pain, misery ,anger suffering , plus fear stuff into his head and it mind fucks him and he becomes OP sometimes makes him a
Bruiser , Heavy hitter , berserker & something in between Hulk / Wolverine
& forgive me if I sound like a fan boy
I don’t wanna trigger anyone
But it’s once said the longer the battle takes the more powerful Anakin becomes & if he have not fallen he becomes
Powerful
Great video. I think the constant issue with a 2 vs 2 scenario is that it makes finishing an opponent a lot harder as one can try and help defend the other, perhaps best seen in the old republic cinematic with Satele and her master vs Malgus and his master. I suspect if Obiwan saw Zannah incapacitating Anakin with a mind probe he would make some effort to save him, though very likely would sacrifice his own defense against Bane in the process. Anakins success following this would be dependent on whether he could finish Zannah before it becomes a 2 vs 1 scenario.
Possible scenario:
As Obiwan battled Bane he suddenly felt great pain and anguish from Anakin. Glancing towards Anakin he saw his former student abandon his defensive posture gripping his head seemingly having lost all focus on the battle. As Zannah quickly motioned to lunge her blade into Skywalker, Obiwan parried Banes strike and leaped towards Zannah knocking her aside with a force push. Only for Obiwan to fall to the floor as he was caught by a barrage of force lightning from Bane. The Sith Lord quickly jumped upon him plunging his blade into the Jedi.
Anakin screamed Obiwans name as he felt his masters death and was suddenly drawn out of his daze. Zannah quickly recovered from her fall and immediately leaped towards Anakin hoping to finish him before he had a chance to recover. However she is caught in mid air by Anakin with a force choke who immediately reignited his blade and impaled her.
Anakin and Bane slowly drew their blades out of their opponents bodies and turned to face one another, Anakin seething with rage.
I think every match involving Zannah boils down to the question: Can the fighter resist Zannah's spell?
There are a lot of people who could ragdoll stomp zannah. Sidious, yoda, Luke, caedus, etc.
@@hunniebunnies To be fair to Yoda, he was not prepared. Also, it was Sidious and Dooku together.
This. THIS! Is what I have been waiting for! Amazing video, as always
Those spells of madness are just TOO damn powerful in this scenario. The outcome was never in doubt. Team Jedi would win an outright saber contest, but with all skills on the table; Bane is too overtly powerful and practiced in the force and Zannah too skilled in sorcery to be overthrown here.
I would have to say that with the spell of madness would just make Anikin draw on the dark side and Zana would be overwhelmed and if they didn't switch in the early fight and Anikin and Bane kept battling, Anikin would start to draw on the dark side and overwhelm Bane
Darth Nihilus vs Darth Sion, I would love to see this match up.
Yeh the main gripe I have with this fight is the one you highlighted in the video. We dont know how Anakin would fight against Bane, if he even has a slight edge then hes not gonna switch with Kenobi, and this scenario is next to impossible for you to analyse, potentially robbing the jedi of victory.
That being said I agree with your verdict with Anakin vs Zannah, as Bane didnt seem able to pin her down entirely, and Id argue shed have a more leveled head in this scenario, and Anakin would be slightly more predictable to her without the Juyo to switch to
Overall in this video, I have a couple of random gripes with a few minor jumps in logic, but in all honesty feel youve done a fantastic job bringing this fight down to ideas rather than overstating every single little point (potentially multiple times), doing as good a job in this video as your Anakin, Ahsoka and Obiwan fight. And thus I have little to nothing to complain about and I enjoyed this video immensely .
Question, will you be doing a playthrough of battlefront 2 single player?
Obi-Wan and Anakin would win because plot armor
this joke is dead. Stop it
@@lapplandkun9273 I posted that 2 years ago
Do we really need to still talk about this
+Antoine Bandele Would love to see you do another non-force user versus vid. Maybe we could you do Kir Kanos vs. Arden Lyn in the future. Also if Zannah used her spells of madness on Anakin wouldn't it just make Anakin angry and make him go into a berserker rage like he showed previously like on Nelvaan. Keep up the good work and MTFBWY.
Revan vs Anakin Skywalker
Coming next year (sort of).
Antoine Bandele but what does it mean
Oohhhh that's an intriguing one . 🤔 Also , you have a great smile :) lol
REVAN STOMPS EASILY.
Huh. I can’t find this video. When did that happen?
Interesting analysis. There are a few other possible outcomes, though.
1. Darth Zannah stabs Darth Bane in the back, electing to try her hand against these two mere Jedi. She'd be overwhelmed, so that's not likely.
2. Zannah would only ever have one chance to use her sorcery on Anakin, and it would have to be her opening move. There's actually a greater chance that it would simply set him off, and Zannah can't hold out against such raw, untamed power forever. Anakin would kill Zannah pretty quickly and set his sights on Bane, who would be quite unable to stand against the two of them together.
3. Zannah's spells actually don't work at all because Kenobi's stout mental defenses cover Anakin as well. Anakin would only take a tad longer to take Zannah down.
4. Anakin vs. Bane would be a stalemate up until the moment when Kenobi beats Zannah and comes over to help.
5. Kenobi manages to hold out against Bane long enough for Anakin to deal with Zannah (who has decided not to use her sorcery today) and come over and deal the finishing blow. Kenobi has this odd tendency to be able to hold out against opponents that on paper should be able to defeat him.
Finally it took awhile but you did it. I been looking forward to this
Its been a minute since you made a full length Versus series. You haven't skipped a beat, excellent work as always!
Actually, the introductions were cut and no one noticed. I've been hacking at the "full" VS bit by bit like that.
I didn't noticed until you mentioned it. It feels like these longer videos have more depth, and its an awesome throwback to a few years back. It's good to see you forward more time to a versus series, despite having so many projects going on! Keep up the good work, B!
Greatest intro of all time
Thanks!
I enjoyed this video as always you have by far the best editing and formatting of anyone who makes star wars vs video. I agree with the majority of what you said but there are some things i strongly disagree with and think you missed out on that change some of the outcomes. My comment is a mix of things i disagree with from your video and adding my own thoughts.
6:10 I agree with most of what you said with regards to physical capabilities, however you say 6:31 anakin has a better case for his physical capabilites as he can significantly bolster them with them with the force. But this is a very common ability even padawans have displayed (though not to the same degree as anakin) so its absurd to think Bane who learnt from so many legendary sith lords would not also know this ability. Anakins best strength feats are Dooku straining against the strength of his blows(though this would partly be due to Makashis weakness against power attacks) and overpowering a magna guard arm with one of his when they both pushed against each other and anakin showed strain doing this. Meanwhile bane has tore a three durasteel doors of there hinges on two separate occasions in doe which i'll show in the quotes below, vader has a similar strength feat of doing this once and its one of his best and you admit vader > anakin in terms of strength. Most impressively the third quote below this paragragh shows bane was able to stagger Zannah, who ten years ago had deflected the blows of an orbalisk encrusted bloodlusted Darth Bane and the blows of a battle meditation amped Sarro Xaj without staggering. Bare in mind zannah was a master of soresu and her particular style was all about deflecting the power behind blows away from her which is the perfect counter for bane yet it wasn't enough. Bane certainly has a considerable strength advantage over anakin which is particularly important as both anakin and banes main form is djem so. So its seems clear to me that overall bane has an edge over obi wan and anakin physically at least over all and thats without including their speed which ill get to next
"Moving quickly, Bane strode over to the hatch. Sometime during the battle it had been closed, and he discovered it had been locked from the inside. Letting the Force flow through him, he clipped his lightsaber and crouched down to grip the handle with both hands. Bracing his massive shoulders, he wrenched the metal hatch open, yanking it off its hinges and tossing it aside."Darth Bane: DoE
while doing this Bane was weaken by a drug designed to weaken his ability to use the force
"Another locked durasteel door blocked the only exit. Bane tossed the blaster aside and tore the door off its hinges. Up above, someone triggered the alarm, and a deafening klaxon began to blare.
Beyond the door was a narrow staircase, similarly barricaded at the top. The Dark Lord charged up the steps and threw himself shoulder-first into the door at the top. It burst open from the impact, sending him tumbling into the room beyond."
soure: DoE
"He opened with a series of two-handed overhead chops, using his great height to bring his blade hacking down at her from above. She easily blocked each blow, but the momentum of the crushing impact caused her to stagger back, throwing her off balance."DSource: DoE
The other point in the physical capabilities that i strongly disagree with is the fact you didnt seem to include bane and zannahs large speed advantage in your rankings of their capabilities. Speed i would argue is generally the most important physical capability in a fight between two force users. You mentioned Banes feats of blocking every rain drop in a storm for 10 minutes but never mentioned what a speed advantage this shows bane has over anakin and obi wan. especially since this was just something bane did to warm up one morning before he began his proper training and not him pushing himself to his very limits. Zannah at the very least has comparable speed since she wasnt speed blitzed and no mention of bane having a speed advantage was ever mentioned in either of bane and zannahs fights with each other. I personally think the speed advantage alone should overall give bane and zannah an edge it should also gave the sith a major advantage in the lightsaber part of the analysis.
13:21 saying bane could turn his foes into a black husk with the force is massively understating his capabilities, we discussed this in your revan and malak vs bane and zannah video so im not sure why you've done the same thing again. Bane turned a 4 meter long Drexl (with skin tough enough to stop blaster fire) into nothing but charred bone as well as turning the rider to ash instantly with a quick bolt of lightening from one hand with barely a year of training and as we both know bane got significantly more powerful after that. This is far more powerful than even dookus lightening though given how easily atoc ob wan handled dookus lightening i dont doubt obi wan can likely stop it with his saber though it'll be with some strain, same with anakin
17:00 i think it is worth mentioning that neither anakin or obi wan especially could handle banes tk. obi wan has been ragdolled by maul and dooku who arent even in banes league in terms of tk. But anakin has also struggled to deal with dookus tk several times in the past such as when they fought on naboo when dooku ko'd anakin for a short time with tk and he was knocked back by obi wans tk in rots. given how much more capable with tk bane is than obi wan and dooku i also believe anakin could not handle banes tk especially since bane likes to mix iin force abilities while dueling someone
Another thing i feel was worth nothing was that bane is capable of using tutaminus to redirect telekenetic attacks ,as the quote below shows. something as far as im aware nobody else has ever done. Bane did this against zannah and he did so without any difficulty. this seems to indicate that if obi wan or anakin tried to use tutaminus on bane that he's more than capable of redirecting it straight back at them something they aren't going to expect at all. this is also particularly important as tk is by far the most likely offensive force ability either jedi would try to use on bane and since they have no other offensive feats with the force that show they could harm bane it practically nullifies their offensive capabilities with the force against bane and zannah since he would have taught her the same thing. Overall zannah and bane stomp this round
"Bane drew upon his own abilities in the Force to absorb the impact of her attack, catching it and amplifying its strength before firing it back at his apprentice. The redirected blow struck Zannah in the chest, hard enough to knock her to the ground." Darth Bane: Rule of Two
for bane vs anakin i believe bane has the edge, especially do to his big strength and speed advantage. However even if you assume physically they are complete equals and just compare their skills with a saber i still believe bane has an edge. With djem so Anakin and bane are without a doubt the two most skilled in all of star wars, theres skill with the form like obi wan with soresu goes way beyond mastery. (if you arent interested in why banes skill with djem so is way beyond mastery skip the next paragragh)
People seem to underestimate just how skilled bane is with djem so. zannah who as we kow was a master duellist in her own right admitted bane was way beyond her with a blade and she would never be able to be his equal with a lightsaber. To prove that wasn't zannnah underestimating her self or overestimating bane in the duel part of their fight he completely dominated her. We've seen how to equally skilled lightsaber duelists fair when one uses djem so and the other soresu in the fight on mustafar (excluding anakins dumb mistake at the end) it's pretty even so if bane was just a regular master of the form when bane and zannah duelled it would have been pretty even, if not zannah would have had the edge as zannahs style of djem so is better suited against djem so as it deflects the power of the blows away form her. But in their very short duel bane dominated zannah. it was described as miraculous that she survived at one point and pure look at another point in the duel and despite that she still ended up with some broken ribs. this was a duel that couldn't have lasted more than a minute. Its very clear than bane is far more skilled with djem so than zannah is with soresu and we know she mastered soresu
so anakin and banes skill with djem so is pretty even however bane has his mastery of soresu and expertise if not mastery of juyo to rely on as well unlike anakin who mastered no other forms. sure hes skilled with other forms but you need more than that when facing someone like bane just like bane couldn't fair well if he used say niman against anakin despite being skilled with the form. so i'd give bane an edge (excluding his physical advantages) but only slight as they will both most likely use djem so for pretty much all of the duelling they do in this fight
assuming we exclude the physical advantages and disadvantages i would agree obi wan and bane are equal as banes soresu and juyo would just be far less effective against obi wan than his djem so so thats all bane will use. Though if you include how they compare physically bane would win a pure duel. towards the end of obi wan and anakins duel in rots obi wans for arms were starting to spliter and had the duel carried on for much longer he would have given out (assuming anakin didnt leave himself open) add the fact bane has a huge speed edge and is a far smarter fighter than pre suit vader and obi wan is going to get overwhelmed eventually
(again assuming you exclude their physical capabilities)bane has a slight edge over anakin and obi wan but they have a slight edge over zannah so i'd say they are even overall
i carry on about yours and my verdict as a comment reply to this
i agree they are more likely ot pair off as Bane vs anakin and Obi Wan vs zannah but i'll go through how they all compare to each other if they pair off the other way
Im not quite sure why you gave the jedi a 1 in the early fight the sith could because bane is more than capable and likely to take obi wan out with the force before they engage with sabers as hed sense obi wan is far less powerful than anakin. But why do you think the jedi would win in the early round ? i don't see how either sith could fall in the early fight let alone both
Anakin vs Bane
Bane has pretty much every advantage here in a duel he has more variety and his big speed and strenght edge will help him significantly as they duel. On top of that bane is going to be wearing anakin down and knocking him around with tk as anakin fruitlessly tries to overhwlem bane with djem so. Anakins only chance would be zannah killing obi wan first and anakin unleashing all his raw power to badly injure bane but there is no way zannah beats obi wan before bane beat anakin. But even if that did happen bane is durable enough and powerful enough to still be able to carry on fighitng for a long time.
Obi wan vs Bane
In a duel this may last a fairly long time but bane will quickly sense how much weaker obi wan is than him. He wont waste his time while zannah is fighitng someone with as much raw power as anakin. Bane will quickly go to use his force abilites and take obi wan out except he wont do what maul or dooku do and just throw obi wan to the side due to plot armour he'll pulverise obi wan or just crush his heart or snap his neck and move on. Obi wan has no chance against bane.
Anakin vs Zannah
Completly agree with your analysis here her spells would ruin anakin and give her more than enough time to land a killing blow with her saber. Given she even was able to use her sorcery against bane id say its almost certain she would against anakin, if they fought. Anakin is not only slower than bane but as you say he is unaware of her sorcery and once she uses it on anakin he's done for. Though i don't think how zannahs sorcery would effect anakin if he survived matter since there is no chance of zannah not killing him in the few seconds (at a minimum) she'd have while anakin is distracted
Obi Wan vs Zannah
Zannah will likely open with the force before they even engage with saber given she sense how much weaker obi wan is and she much prefers using the force. she will certainly first user her sorcery which will be useless against obi wan and give him a chance to close in with a saber. if they engage in a duel obi wan will be force to go on the offence and zannah will quickly realse obi wan is more skilled with a blade and want to end this with the force where her chances of victory are significantly higher. Given she managed to pull back and use the force on bane it wont take her long get a chance to use the force on obi wan given hes fare less skilled as an offencive duelist and not as fast. Once she does and once she has tried her sorcery she'll move on to regular force abilities and given she is just as if not more powerful than bane and favours force abilites more than him it's crazy to assume she cant take him out with the force when the likes of maul have done so multiple times.
Basically no matter how they pair off the sith stomp. There is simply to much of a power difference. zannah basically has kryptonite for anakin and obi wan hos force defences that are far to weak to hold off either sith lord.
I think the fight ends early though especially with Bane's Force powers and dueling abilities
Bane would know exactly how to fight Anakin I don't think Bane will lose to a Jedi guardian he knows all the Jedis abilities.
Woah! 36 minutes? That's nuts, but a good kind of nuts.
The breakdown of their fighting styles and force abilites was amazing. You used a lot of source materials to back up what you were saying and clearly stated what each of their strengths and weaknesses were. I also really liked that you showed when they came out on top in battles and when they didn't (and if they did win because they had armor or something, you stated it outright). Even though I'm not as well versed in a lot of the lore as you are, because you presented their physical and force abilities in this manner, I can fully trust your descriptions of them.
The bit where you lost me a little was during the match ups when deciding who had the dueling abilities edge. You rated Kenobi and Bane as equals, even though you mainly pointed out why Bane was a superior duelist. You also said that you 'heavily favor Anakin' when pitting her against Zannah, even though you seem to retract this statement when Zannah wins her one-on-one against him in the death battle.
So while this video is awesome, I'm not sold on the final verdict, especially since you gave the Jedi the physical abilities edge and the dueling abilities edge, and because you said that you favor Anakin over Zannah. Other than that, I really enjoyed the video, particularly your analysis on Obi-Wan. I knew that the guy was a master of Soresu, but I didn't know exactly to what degree. I feel like I learned a lot of things from this video in general!
The Versus Series is one of my favorite things on UA-cam. Your work is awesome, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Kenobi and Bane are equals in the sense that Kenobi's defense and Bane's offense would meet at a deadlock. Kenobi's defense was better than Bane's, and Bane's offense was better than Kenobi's. Bane is perhaps a more complete duelist, especially with Juyo. But the issue with Juyo is that it's very exhausting and if it fails, he'd fall to Kenobi. And Bane, being the intelligent fighter that he is, I think, wouldn't fall into the trappings of a Juyo assault, instead, locking down with Djem So. Now, if this were a lightsaber only match up then I would likely side with Bane over Kenobi but in terms of an individual round, they are equals for me.
I heavily favored Anakin as a lightsaber duelist, not for his Force abilities, which is what gave Zannah the edge for me.
Having more edges in a fight does not automatically create a victor, especially when circumstance is thrown in. And the circumstance here is Zannah's effectiveness with Sith sorcery, and Anakin's less than perfect defense against it.
Antoine Bandele oooooh ok. Now things make a lot more sense. And yeah, a lot depends on circumstance. Thank you for clarifying!
While, I agree with this. However, I do believe anakin might be too much for zannah, and she wouldnt be able to get it off.
Zannah's ability to create space between herself and Bane bodes well for her ability to do so against Anakin. Her Spells of Madness aren't a ritual, it doesn't take long at all the employ.
How have I been away so long...I've wanted this for ages! thanks Antoine!
No way! Darths would obliterate these two
As always amazing video! And funny how in the last team vs. Zannah was the decisive losing factor, while now she is the decisive winning factor. Now I am really excited for the last round. Completely no idea who’ll win that one, if anything it will probably be quite close. I think very slight advantage for the Jedi team, but we’ll see!
I am shocked, I felt from the start it was going to be Bane and Zannah that would win but I figured you would give it to Obi-Wan and Anakin. Zannah's REALLY overpowered in the lore and people underestimate her. We have seen time and again that even master Yoda is staggered and shaken by vision of horror and death like at the end of clone wars and this is all Zannah would need. It only takes a second of pause for her to get a killing blow and even someone like Yoda wouldn't be able to not drop his guard for that moment. The issue Zannah has is that her spinning blade work has one weakness, being overpowered. Obi-Wan and Windu are really the only Jedi I personally think would be able to resist Zannah's Sith Sorcery. Would Anakin go into a rage from being seen such horrors? Yes, but not until after the shock and pain had turned to anger but by then he would already be dead.
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
This was worth waiting for!
I think Obi wan will last way longer his defense will out last Bane and Zannah
Not against their combined Force powers he wouldn’t.
Not if he has the high ground
Yes!!! I’ve been waiting for this!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you!
I favor the Sith 6/4, not 7/3.
If Zannah can hit the spot she'll destroy Anakin, but I'm not totally confident it in, thus 6/4.
Justin Helms I mean she did it against bane Nd bane knew abt it Nd knew it was coming mid fight but anakin will avoid it?🤔
I'm on the edge about this one, while i do 100% agree that the fight is over once anakin's mind gets probed, i don't know if Zannah would even be able to find the time to touch it.
Anakin is one hell of an aggressive duelist.
It's exactly as you said: the outcome of this battle depends on wether you think anakins mind would get the rapey rapey treatment or not.
Good job, you just made me think about a fictional match up of 4 wizards with lightsabers at 6am.
Love this series, love Star Wars and love you ;)
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Obi-wan and Anakin vs Revan and Malak
Isn't that the next one
I agree completely with your physical abilities section including the ordering of each of the characters.
Assuming Zannah matches up against Anakin and Bane matches up against Kenobi, I can agree with your reasoning for giving the team of Bane and Zannah the Force edge.
25:25 - To be fair, I believe the planet they were fighting on was "strong in the Darkside" which would've strengthened her.
I would have given Anakin and Kenobi the edge over Bane in lightsaber combat, personally. Glad you gave them the team edge.
32:50 - That is something I was going to bring up given Zannah had to slowly gather her power to cast a spell of madness against Bane whilst giving ground. Personally, because I find Anakin to be superior to Bane as a lightsaber combatant, I see her having even less time and energy to devote to fueling such a spell which would hinder its overall effectiveness as a result.
Imo, either Zannah gets off a spell early on that lacks the punch it would have at full power and Anakin powers through or she doesn't get the chance to cast it all needing to devote all her energy to simply holding him off. Either way it ends up being Kenobi and Anakin against Bane and the outcome of such a match up is clear.
Highly enjoyed the video even if I disagree with the verdict.
32:50 - And I think that's counteracted by Anakin being even more susceptible than Bane is to her spells (and also, he would not expect it or have the thought to defend against it), meaning she'd need less focus.
I know, that's why I think the effect it would have on Anakin would be similar to the one it had on Bane. I.E. while it would definitely hinder him, he'd be able to overcome it and it wouldn't be likely to create any openings Zannah could use to end the fight, at least not to the point that it would be the most likely outcome imo.
As awesome as Anakin is, Bane is most likely the superior lightsaber duelist and force-user. Bane is a more mature and disciplined fighter, his bladework more consistent, and he doesn't make dumb, rash mistakes like Anakin does. Bane will eventually wear Anakin down. It will be a long and slow grind, but Anakin will be forced to take on Zannah, eventually.
As for Zannah and Kenobi, yeah Kenobi is the better lightsaber duelist defensively and offensively, but his force powers are extremely weak while Zannah has masterful command over the Force, even by top Sith Lord standards. If Sith as comparatively weak as Maul and Dooku can ragdoll Kenobi around, then Zannah will have no problem.
Anakin is more experienced and placed above characters who are stated to be among the most skilled in galactic history. He's also physically superior to Bane. Don't see how Anakin loses lightsaber combat. Force is more debatable but I feel Bane's superior knowledge and versatility is matched by Anakin's power edge.
Dooku is above Zannah as a Force user and Obi Wan is far more skilled and has superior augmentation which wouldn't allow her to fully make use of her Force advantage.
"Anakin is more experienced and placed above characters who are stated to be among the most skilled in galactic history."
Somewhat true. Anakin bested Dooku in lightsaber combat and is objectively better than Obi-Wan (he lost because he was a first-time user of the Dark Side, which made him rash and careless). But Anakin is inferior to Mace, Yoda, and Sidious, but those people are the very, very best, the %0.01 in galactic history. Anakin's skill with the blade is his only edge against Bane, but he is a naive warrior on the whole. Bane, being a very intelligent fighter, will recognize that and leverage his advantages over Anakin, who would not develop that level of finesse until he became Darth Vader.
"He's also physically superior to Bane."
Dubious. Bane is more like Vader in strength than Anakin. Bane is bigger, older, more physically mature, and surpasses Obi-Wan in pain tolerance. He's an older alpha male, large and in charge since forever. Anakin is imposing to be sure, but a callow youth in comparison to Bane.
"Force is more debatable but I feel Bane's superior knowledge and versatility is matched by Anakin's power edge."
Knowledge, versatility, and skill triumphs over raw strength. Bane has an intelligent and sophisticated use of the Force in battle and everywhere else. Anakin has amazing potential but never developed it beyond the most basic techniques and occasional Force Choke. Anakin would not apply his native intelligence until after he became Darth Vader.
"Dooku is above Zannah as a Force user."
Doubtful. Zannah has one of the strongest commands over the Force in galactic history, only bested by people like Yoda and Sidious, and later Darth Vader. But she hasn't developed it so much for battle.
Zannah, on the whole, is a great Sith Lord and Star Wars character, but she never cared that much for battling, developing her skills for all the other things you do outside of battle. Zannah herself was all too well aware of this, hence why she developed her skills elsewhere, knowing that her small size and slight build were disadvantages in a fight. But we underestimate Zannah because we only see her in context of versus series, though Zannah herself never fights unless it's the only thing left to do.
"Obi Wan is far more skilled and has superior augmentation which wouldn't allow her to fully make use of her Force advantage."
Pretty much. Zannah can't use her spells of madness and other obscure techniques because Obi-Wan isn't vulnerable to them and won't give her the chance anyway. The entire versus series depends on whether Zannah can get to Anakin. You may say, "Obi-wan will never let that happen." But you have to remember that Obi-Wan isn't the only smart fighter in the room. Bane and Zannah are extremely cunning warriors on par with Obi-wan.
Havent seen these in awhile due to work. Oh how I have missed your work Antoine!! lol
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Thank you :D Also I was a bit surprised by the outcome but agree with you on this battle!! Good work !!
People who understand noting about Zannah’s Sith sorcery: BuT aNaKiN wOuLd GeT aNgRy!
People who know anything: Nah, Anakin is going to go mad
Seriously people think it’s just some sort of slide show of his insecurities when it’s not at all. It’s torture
Thank You!
@@The_Misanthropic_Magpie no problemo
Honestly, Bane and Zannah are the two Sith I would love to learn from the most. They seem to be the ones that focus more on what I would, which is the more subtle abilities, and diversified Lightsaber styles.
Yep. I know a few folks who won't like that choice but it makes sense.
Kenobi is very overrated imo. I think he would lose to Bane like he lost to Dooku. Bane completely outclasses him in force. Anakin however, in a pure lightsaber duel he defo could beat Bane or Zannah, but because Zannah has sorcery on her side, she would one shot Anakin easy, as Anakin has a lot of emotional problems, which Zannah can exploit.
14:58 MTG art much appreciated.
Before watching the video, let me just say that Anakin and Obi-Wan would wreck Bane and Zannah.
Not at all
The unknown trooper
Bane vs. Kenobi - Kenobi's a better duelist and a better Force wielder. Bane isn't impressive in any way.
Anakin vs. Zannah - Again, Anakin's a better duelist and Force wielder. Zannah would get destroyed.
Bane and Zannah are not impressive.
Is this a troll or have you just not read any of the bane books ? obi wan has been casually ragdolled by dooku and maul ragdolled him several times. Bane leveled a 30 meter stone temple with a year of training and 10 years later he iatomized a dozen techno beats with his force push, for comparison plagueis best tk feat is atomising several people but nowhere near a dozen. obi wan also isnt a better duelist unless you are only comparing their skill with soresu. Bane along side anakin is the greatets master of djem so in all star wars
Zannah is just as if not more powerful than bane and favours the force alot more which puts her offensive and defence with the force above anakins. Not to mention given she was able to pull back and use sorcery on bane she certianly will against anakin who is far slower and has no idea about her sorcery unlike bane. Once she uses it on anakin he'll be stunned for more than long enough for her to cut him down
I read the Bane trilogy recently. They aren’t impressive. Bane isn’t even close to Anakin’s level. The closest Djem So specialists to Anakin is Malgus. Kenobi is near the top 10 in dueling skill. Bane is in the top 30. Bane is not as good as the trilogy makes him out to be. Nearly every Sith could defeat him. Revan, Krayt, Vader, Malgus, Lumiya, Tenebrous, Plagueis, they could all beat him. Zannah too. They aren’t that good. Kenobi and Skywalker would wreck them.
If they arent impressive then counter the points i made, all you addressed was how banes skill with djem so compares to anakins.
Bane is absolutly on anakins level in temrs of skill with djem so. People seem to underestimate just how skilled bane is with djem so. zannah who as we know was a master duellist and mastered soresu admitted bane was way beyond her with a blade and she would never be able to be his equal with a lightsaber. To prove that wasn't zannnah underestimating her self or overestimating bane in the duel part of their fight he completely dominated her. We've seen how two equally skilled lightsaber duelists fair when one uses djem so and the other soresu in the fight on mustafar (excluding anakins dumb mistake at the end) it's pretty even so if bane was just a regular master of the form when bane and zannah duelled it would have been pretty even, if not zannah would have had the edge as zannahs style of djem so is better suited against djem so as it deflects the power of the blows away form her. But in their very short duel bane dominated zannah. it was described as miraculous that she survived at one point and pure look at another point in the duel and despite that she still ended up with some broken ribs. this was a duel that couldn't have lasted more than a minute. Its very clear than bane is far more skilled with djem so than zannah is with soresu and we know she mastered soresu.
Malgus hasnt even been shown to have mastered djem so or any other form lol you have no idea what you are talking about.
Id agree in terms of skill obi wan is at least near the top 10
Lol Bane stomps either malgus or revan as i said malgus hasnt even been shown to have mastered any forms and his best force feat is throwing a few tonnes of duracrete something bane easily surpassed with barely a year of training when he levelled a 30 meter stone temple with a force push
as for revan im going to copy and paste my summary of why bane stomps revan from another recent discussion i had but i'll post it in a seperate comment as it has several links in it so it may get auto removed as spam. Let me know if you cant see the other comment
Fucking love this channel top quality content that is just... god how to word it... unprecedented: a unique presentation fused with a professional commentary. Liked before watched. Betting on Bane and Zannah. Thanks Antoine for another video I can look forward too
I think after witnessing the death of Anakin, Obi-Wan would be exposed to Zannah's powers too. He is in control of his emotions but I firmly believe that the death of his apprentice and brother would be way too much for him.
Awesome vid bro
Yes! Been waiting for this video.
another good video mate. only thing i would add that would make this fight closer would be Obi-wan trying to keep the fight a 2v1 against Bane like he tried against dooku, the moment he see's Anakin not gaining ground on him and realising that bane would be the more difficult challenge. maybe he uses slight force push to off balance Zannah to give him time to get whilst every time Zannah helps she stops by a blade or force push again from Anakin or Obi-wan over giving them advantage in early fight. it end of the mid fight i think where it could all change depending who Zannah uses sorcery on which is where your right as long Obi-wan is distracted by bane and doesn't notice what is happening.