Ah, the Drake had rapids. Yep, unlucky fit for this fight! I've toyed around with my Worm fits quite a bit, though I'd settled on just smalls most recently for the same reason as you see here. Rapids and especially torps don't quite have the range. But as you chaps have shown, medium missiles do. So yeah, I _knew_ there was something buried away in the range of possibilities that made this boat special. Well done to Frosty for working this out and cheers for an excellent vid. This one gets two ⭐⭐
I'm flying a worm, this medium missile build looks great! I wouldn't replace my rig yet as its currently 2x Power 3 rig and thruster 3. Have 555 engg for frig and cruiser. To adapt to this, I can downgrade some fits. Medium missiles from caldari to Challenger Results is slightly lower dps. but more speed
Great Idea with the Mediums... I use them on the Gila to good effect. You forget to mention that Battlecruiser Engineering also reduces the PG requirements of medium missile launchers; now if only Faction ships had nanocores, you could get a PG rig buff from that too... I can see its downfall being large Neuts but other than that great video and Kudos to Frosty.
Worm is an amazing ship. I solo null gates with it all the time. Drones maxed are insane. And if rapids weren’t ridiculous enough… now med missiles. I love it. 36km range I wouldn’t even auto shit. I’d manually pilot everything.
I was literally talking about using nanocores when they come out to do the same exact thing like 5hrs ago lmao. Fyi he's pulling the drone back to break lock. U hit return and the enemy instantly looses lock and has to relock the drone. Allowing them to come all the way back to your drone bay will heal them as well. P.S. if u need targets come up to deklein there's always someone up this way wiling to give u a fight 😁
@@captainbenzie I can't wait. I learned most of the mechanics from your videos when I first started playing the beta. Now Im an fc and have hundreds of kill marks under my belt. The student must become the teacher o7
Well what do you know, I have a Worm bp and all the stuff to make it. Hmmm. Good to see another ship fitting video as always, Benzie. Fly safe! Take care!
Captain Benzie I Love You!!!! Your videos have gotten me back into Eve Echoes after a 6 month leave and I love all the advice you're sharing. I've listened to you on the latest epsiode in the podcast "Echoes of New Eden" during your interview with Rambo. You are phenomenal Captain, my hat is off to you! XD
I want to add, drones are a very op weapon system at the current state of the game. In the combat footage, u can see him recall the drones then immediately set them to attack. This action actually removes the lock of any ship that are trying to kill that drone. Against bigger ships that have bad scans, this is very frustrating as u can see that it takes forever to lock small drones.
This is also why the dominix is such a hard target to kill. If u cant break its tank, and decide to go after his drones. He can keep recalling and sending out drones again and again to remove locks on them and keep his dps up
@@captainbenzie lol i was cloacked with timer and forgot and uncloacked to scan and boom xD i just lot moa celestis and Marilyn assault lol. In celestis i firgit change orbit and got webed and boom 😅😅😅😅
Wait, are you saying you did t10 stories with it? We had tried a while back, but it was too risky. Ended up parking it in null and using it for anomalies.
Gives me some ideas for the Astero. I’ve seen medium mistletoe launchers on the astero, but this video showed me the need to train expert ship electronics. Did not know before that it gave a reduction to thereby and launchers power requirement.
tbh i do understand that fitting med missile launchers gives higher dps, but my rapids can reach 26km on my worm as well (depends on ur skills really), i as a worm pilot think that rapids will be more effective as it draws less powergrid, in addition its better in terms of countering fast drones and small ships like frigates and destroyers.
I wonder if you could do something similar with the dragoon 2 assault with it's slightly higher powergrid compared to the algos and not need as many skills or powergrid rigs... sure you lose out on the +50% kinetic/thermal damage for missiles but you should get more overall drone DPS due to the advanced small drone operation bonus being +35% vs the worm's +10% (also faster and better tracking speed at cost of EHP, aww yeah!)
You're never going to get 36km medium missile range. Always round down. Also, missiles have flight paths they follow to a moving target. Depending on your target and what prop mod they're using, that always reduces your missile range.
I mission in a Hurricane and run -6 warp stab, if someone flies into my mission I'll guage if I want to humor a pvp fight and see how long my shields last (or them) before warping off
I appreciate the respect from benzie but as a solo player (the Corp belongs to me and my best friend) I regret even trying to test the fit and I may never go back to flying in low sec. I’m a miner at heart… and I can’t even get into null without getting gate camped or ganked by everything though I try my hardest. Maybe when exploration comes through I will have my chance
Wow that’s bad timing. Low sec is the most dangerous place in the game at the moment. You would be better off joining a larger null sec corp as part of a large alliance.
@@Orion_Icaoa I haven't been outside null for months, it seems really bad out there. I used to run encounters and joined a null sec corp right before the scanning came into play. I only get drop ins on my anoms when its an inquisitor, or scout anom and they usually don't try to fight me, they just try to steal the loot. If they do try to fight, I can get a few of my alliance members in seconds. My point is, maybe find a larger corp ;)
You've totally borked it in regards to combating Daredevils. Your Worm web distance and strength will always be vastly outclassed by a web on a DD. Even with MWD on the Worm. The DD will always have better control versus this Worm. The DD can have you webbed every time without you being in range to use your web. Against snubnose DD, you still lose in regards to ship vs ship control. Then the question would be who can out-DPS the other.
@@captainbenzie Your Worm does 513 km/s base velocity. A DD does around 724 km/s base velocity. Difference of 211 km/s. That's a big difference. Activate a prop mod, which are percentage based, and that DD is zipping up to your Worm in a flash. Figure in the Worm's inertia modifier compared to the DD. The DD will be at top speed while the Worm is stuck in 3rd gear. Predator web range on a Worm is 14.8km with a strength of...61% was it? Predator web range on a DD is 22.2km and 92% strength. That's a 7.4km and 31% power difference. That's no small fries. That Worm is going nowhere fast. I am curious to know if the insane dps of snubnose rails can out-dps that Worm with both ships being webbed. Then again, most people go for range these days. It's just too dangerous to fly point blank. Everyone fits a mixture of webs and scrams these days. The DD truly excels with rifled railguns. With a rifled DD speed tanking, I really don't think those medium missiles will hit for much, if anything at all. Med missiles have 81m/s explosion velocity and a 12 second firing rate. Not good enough. I've got more, but this is long already. Overall, I did enjoy this video. I think the Worm that FroztyJack and you have premiered is a GREAT use of the ship against other, weaker frigates, most destroyers, cruisers, and some battlecruisers. Especially cruisers! More on that please. Challenge some rifled and snubnose DD Void pilots to friendly matches. One more thing: This Worm versus Frotzy's Talwar 2. Go!
I love the worm. I have a fit on my channel if you would like to check it out. I’m just an amateur on UA-cam. With good skills it’s a really fun ship to play.
I like the twist on the ship. I like the speed aspect with aux 3. I have got a lot of kills and what I can’t kill is usually because I can’t break the tank. Nice build
if you wanna fly in faction frigate, don't go for worm, it sucks, terrible ship low cap low power grid big slow no special bonuses other than being drone boat go for succ fast, small, good tank you can fit medium nos and medium shield booster (don't do it, go for small nos, you need that warp stabs and aux thrusters)
@@captainbenzie Tankiest? are you sure? succ: 3000 m/s, 30m signature with med extender worm: 3000 m/s, 150m signature boom! size of the sun, plus its mwd, if you get scrammed then youre dead, 1500 m/s with ab, twice slower you can fit warp stabs to succ which is big deal succ has insane cap, better than some bcs, medium booster and small nos is irresistible combo put medium extender and you can be a guardian for CTAs with shield field module (joke) it can take out battleships solo bcs and cruisers are not a problem check out channel 'erikb', hes a monster he wouldnt be able to take out such ships in worm overall: tankiest: succ fastest: succ smallest: succ dps: both have same dps range: worm so what can worm do? kill vigilant if it doesnt have props which is very unlikely to happen it cannot win if battle near the gate since target can just jump and run away, but succ can go close since its fast and tanky overall: worm sucks, swap the med missiles to rapids, condor II with damage control and ballistics along with dps modules has 51% chance to kill your worm (im serious, did math, 20.4 seconds to kill worm, 21.5 seconds to kill condor) worm wont have chance to win with med missiles, he would barely eat condors shield when he was in 1% hull (worm with passsive tank can beat inty, but not with active tank) succ doesnt care, any frigate 1v1 wins (except dd if, it catches, but this wont happen if pilot is experienced) you see a badger II at the gate you cannot go close because he has neut, web and rapids which means no cap no tank if you kite he will jump and log off
@@captainbenzie wait i didnt see the 'only one that can comfortably take out bc and cs'. What?! are you sure? all factions frigates can take out bcs and css if fitted properly, but overall succ can do more which most cannot for example drone boats, can worm kill drone boats, im sure no (if boat has extra drones), the most common ship in eve, but succ is much more likely to do it
Ah, the Drake had rapids. Yep, unlucky fit for this fight! I've toyed around with my Worm fits quite a bit, though I'd settled on just smalls most recently for the same reason as you see here. Rapids and especially torps don't quite have the range. But as you chaps have shown, medium missiles do. So yeah, I _knew_ there was something buried away in the range of possibilities that made this boat special. Well done to Frosty for working this out and cheers for an excellent vid. This one gets two ⭐⭐
I'm flying a worm, this medium missile build looks great! I wouldn't replace my rig yet as its currently 2x Power 3 rig and thruster 3. Have 555 engg for frig and cruiser.
To adapt to this, I can downgrade some fits.
Medium missiles from caldari to Challenger
Results is slightly lower dps. but more speed
Great Idea with the Mediums... I use them on the Gila to good effect. You forget to mention that Battlecruiser Engineering also reduces the PG requirements of medium missile launchers; now if only Faction ships had nanocores, you could get a PG rig buff from that too...
I can see its downfall being large Neuts but other than that great video and Kudos to Frosty.
Worm is an amazing ship. I solo null gates with it all the time. Drones maxed are insane.
And if rapids weren’t ridiculous enough… now med missiles. I love it.
36km range I wouldn’t even auto shit. I’d manually pilot everything.
I was literally talking about using nanocores when they come out to do the same exact thing like 5hrs ago lmao. Fyi he's pulling the drone back to break lock. U hit return and the enemy instantly looses lock and has to relock the drone. Allowing them to come all the way back to your drone bay will heal them as well.
P.S. if u need targets come up to deklein there's always someone up this way wiling to give u a fight 😁
@@captainbenzie Ill come with you
@@captainbenzie I can't wait. I learned most of the mechanics from your videos when I first started playing the beta. Now Im an fc and have hundreds of kill marks under my belt. The student must become the teacher o7
@@captainbenzie I'll come also
Wellll shit. Looks like the next few weeks are gonna be so much fun. I've been wishing for content like this since December 🤣
Well what do you know, I have a Worm bp and all the stuff to make it. Hmmm. Good to see another ship fitting video as always, Benzie. Fly safe! Take care!
Frigate? Worm? I'm here! And so far 100% agreeing with you on the top fun and weak stats parts. Thanks in advance for this one 👌
Man thats too OP, normally in eve online we cant fit heavy missile launchers in worms
Captain Benzie I Love You!!!! Your videos have gotten me back into Eve Echoes after a 6 month leave and I love all the advice you're sharing. I've listened to you on the latest epsiode in the podcast "Echoes of New Eden" during your interview with Rambo. You are phenomenal Captain, my hat is off to you! XD
I told you about this back in like april when i started doing it. Glad you're catching up with "the big boys" ;)
I want to add, drones are a very op weapon system at the current state of the game. In the combat footage, u can see him recall the drones then immediately set them to attack. This action actually removes the lock of any ship that are trying to kill that drone. Against bigger ships that have bad scans, this is very frustrating as u can see that it takes forever to lock small drones.
This is also why the dominix is such a hard target to kill. If u cant break its tank, and decide to go after his drones. He can keep recalling and sending out drones again and again to remove locks on them and keep his dps up
Finally the worm ! I've been waiting for this video for a long time
@@captainbenzie I really did enjoy the video, now I want a worm and blap some ships in low sec
@@captainbenzie Other than the DD comments, good stuff. I'd love to see a video montage of this Worm versus cruisers!
I just uncloacked in the hound 2 with crim timer neat station and boom 500m fo boom watching your videos xD
@@captainbenzie lol i was cloacked with timer and forgot and uncloacked to scan and boom xD i just lot moa celestis and Marilyn assault lol. In celestis i firgit change orbit and got webed and boom 😅😅😅😅
the Renaissance skin for the worm is one of the best in the whole game so far
all hail the worm god
I Fly this build the last 3 Month. Works perfekt for PvE and be save for PvP.
lol if u use that fit for pve at least switch out the warp disruptors and scanners lol
2 Webs + Target Painter and a Nestworm . 3 Month. ago no Scanners availably.
Fun Fact: you CAN fit Medium Torpedoes in there if they're the "Test" labeled ones.
@@captainbenzie ... Fair (and true) enough.
If rename system is in the game
I will
"Use the gurristas skin for Merlin"
"Rename it to worm"
"Pretend to fly a faction frigate"
If your broke lol
been doing this since Christmas
How much isk we looking at for this fit in the current market?
Wait, are you saying you did t10 stories with it? We had tried a while back, but it was too risky. Ended up parking it in null and using it for anomalies.
@@captainbenzie Ahhh I see. Yeah that makes more sense. Thanks Cap’n!
I’ve done quite a few T10 storylines in a Worm although in a different fit. It’s very doable with little risk but it takes FOREVER.
So… is this fit now the FrostyWorm? … maybe a Wormy Jak?? 🤣
Gives me some ideas for the Astero. I’ve seen medium mistletoe launchers on the astero, but this video showed me the need to train expert ship electronics. Did not know before that it gave a reduction to thereby and launchers power requirement.
Does calling back ur drone and launching it again still resets the lock on it or did they modify it??
17:45 this had me dying laughing and im not sure why. A daredevil with a MWD seems pretty standard but the tone was mad funny
Not to mention its going to web you at 20k and the mwd with be useless. Then it's just a dps race.
what did you put on the engineering rigs?
tbh i do understand that fitting med missile launchers gives higher dps, but my rapids can reach 26km on my worm as well (depends on ur skills really), i as a worm pilot think that rapids will be more effective as it draws less powergrid, in addition its better in terms of countering fast drones and small ships like frigates and destroyers.
LETS GO FROSTY! :D
@@captainbenzie He is one hell of a pilot :p It would be intresting to see the outcome.
Are you cheering me on or challenging me? 🤣🤣
@@FroztyJak Both🤣
most interesting i like it. Did you say a Raven video is next on the list? i`m sure you did!
Finally died this morning, and the fit comes out
00:46 pog
I wonder if you could do something similar with the dragoon 2 assault with it's slightly higher powergrid compared to the algos and not need as many skills or powergrid rigs... sure you lose out on the +50% kinetic/thermal damage for missiles but you should get more overall drone DPS due to the advanced small drone operation bonus being +35% vs the worm's +10% (also faster and better tracking speed at cost of EHP, aww yeah!)
Very cool! Thank you!
You're never going to get 36km medium missile range. Always round down. Also, missiles have flight paths they follow to a moving target. Depending on your target and what prop mod they're using, that always reduces your missile range.
It’s the video!!!
Thanks
can i ask whats the good race ? to pick i wanna start playing this but i dont know what to do ?
@@captainbenzie thanks btw, started playing this yesterday im still on the tutorials phase yet
Dram still has a decent tank and lock speed. Don't count it out yet
dd can take out worm if properly fitted
Next update: attack frigates
You can fitt large weapons to a a frigate
Honestly wouldn't it have made sense for the bombers to carry their respective empire's weapons? Or actual "bombs"?
Also, since you mentioned it, low sec PvP isn’t that great atm. So many mission runners pack on the warp stab and avoid it at all cost
I mission in a Hurricane and run -6 warp stab, if someone flies into my mission I'll guage if I want to humor a pvp fight and see how long my shields last (or them) before warping off
You're right. It's become boring again. Solar system after solar system, my name is the only one in local. Sad.
They do
I was the drake…. I bought it 10 mins before this worm killed me. I was just testing the fit before going with a few upgrades…. I’m kinda pissed off
I appreciate the respect from benzie but as a solo player (the Corp belongs to me and my best friend) I regret even trying to test the fit and I may never go back to flying in low sec. I’m a miner at heart… and I can’t even get into null without getting gate camped or ganked by everything though I try my hardest. Maybe when exploration comes through I will have my chance
Wow that’s bad timing. Low sec is the most dangerous place in the game at the moment. You would be better off joining a larger null sec corp as part of a large alliance.
I was just going to say this^ low sec is tough to test fits in. VOID is recruiting if you want to try null sec:)
@@Orion_Icaoa I haven't been outside null for months, it seems really bad out there. I used to run encounters and joined a null sec corp right before the scanning came into play. I only get drop ins on my anoms when its an inquisitor, or scout anom and they usually don't try to fight me, they just try to steal the loot. If they do try to fight, I can get a few of my alliance members in seconds. My point is, maybe find a larger corp ;)
@@gronnie3975 I’ll have a look into it, I really am heavy into mining so I may have a few questions
Tremendous.
I make worm bps, but not my favorite to use,
Wheres FroztyJak? We need him in this comment section
@@captainbenzie Finally lowsec is save again
@@hiddengameseekerlp1786 I'm hooooome ! 😈
@@FroztyJak oh no, low sec will die!!!
Lucky that we are allies
@@hiddengameseekerlp1786 been hunting around in my Corax II Assault but finding either nothing or 10 man BS fleets in missions lmao.
@@FroztyJak Yeah, its a little hard right now, but Im sill running missions without battleships
How much SP more o less u think its needed to get 554 on the basic stuff. No weapon of choice. Just the basics
Hi cap O7
DENNIS RODMAN is better than you thought? 🙃
@@captainbenzie well he is the Worn lol
You've totally borked it in regards to combating Daredevils. Your Worm web distance and strength will always be vastly outclassed by a web on a DD. Even with MWD on the Worm. The DD will always have better control versus this Worm. The DD can have you webbed every time without you being in range to use your web. Against snubnose DD, you still lose in regards to ship vs ship control. Then the question would be who can out-DPS the other.
@@captainbenzie Your Worm does 513 km/s base velocity. A DD does around 724 km/s base velocity. Difference of 211 km/s. That's a big difference. Activate a prop mod, which are percentage based, and that DD is zipping up to your Worm in a flash. Figure in the Worm's inertia modifier compared to the DD. The DD will be at top speed while the Worm is stuck in 3rd gear.
Predator web range on a Worm is 14.8km with a strength of...61% was it? Predator web range on a DD is 22.2km and 92% strength. That's a 7.4km and 31% power difference. That's no small fries. That Worm is going nowhere fast.
I am curious to know if the insane dps of snubnose rails can out-dps that Worm with both ships being webbed. Then again, most people go for range these days. It's just too dangerous to fly point blank. Everyone fits a mixture of webs and scrams these days. The DD truly excels with rifled railguns. With a rifled DD speed tanking, I really don't think those medium missiles will hit for much, if anything at all. Med missiles have 81m/s explosion velocity and a 12 second firing rate. Not good enough.
I've got more, but this is long already. Overall, I did enjoy this video. I think the Worm that FroztyJack and you have premiered is a GREAT use of the ship against other, weaker frigates, most destroyers, cruisers, and some battlecruisers. Especially cruisers! More on that please. Challenge some rifled and snubnose DD Void pilots to friendly matches. One more thing: This Worm versus Frotzy's Talwar 2. Go!
ranking should not be about 1v1 fight
it should be about versatility
succ is #1
dd #2
dram/worm/cruor #3
I love the worm. I have a fit on my channel if you would like to check it out. I’m just an amateur on UA-cam. With good skills it’s a really fun ship to play.
The big range makes me consider using the mediums.
I like the twist on the ship. I like the speed aspect with aux 3. I have got a lot of kills and what I can’t kill is usually because I can’t break the tank. Nice build
2 web = dead
Ah, good point 🤣. Getting close enough to even web it would be a... err pain.
@@shatteredjack7139 until the Garmur and Orthrus release and eat this thing alive after the arena update
if you wanna fly in faction frigate, don't go for worm, it sucks, terrible ship
low cap
low power grid
big
slow
no special bonuses other than being drone boat
go for succ
fast, small, good tank
you can fit medium nos and medium shield booster (don't do it, go for small nos, you need that warp stabs and aux thrusters)
@@captainbenzie Tankiest? are you sure?
succ: 3000 m/s, 30m signature with med extender
worm: 3000 m/s, 150m signature boom! size of the sun, plus its mwd, if you get scrammed then youre dead, 1500 m/s with ab, twice slower
you can fit warp stabs to succ which is big deal
succ has insane cap, better than some bcs, medium booster and small nos is irresistible combo
put medium extender and you can be a guardian for CTAs with shield field module (joke)
it can take out battleships solo
bcs and cruisers are not a problem
check out channel 'erikb', hes a monster
he wouldnt be able to take out such ships in worm
overall:
tankiest: succ
fastest: succ
smallest: succ
dps: both have same dps
range: worm
so what can worm do? kill vigilant if it doesnt have props which is very unlikely to happen
it cannot win if battle near the gate since target can just jump and run away, but succ can go close since its fast and tanky
overall: worm sucks, swap the med missiles to rapids, condor II with damage control and ballistics along with dps modules has 51% chance to kill your worm (im serious, did math, 20.4 seconds to kill worm, 21.5 seconds to kill condor)
worm wont have chance to win with med missiles, he would barely eat condors shield when he was in 1% hull
(worm with passsive tank can beat inty, but not with active tank)
succ doesnt care, any frigate 1v1 wins (except dd if, it catches, but this wont happen if pilot is experienced)
you see a badger II at the gate
you cannot go close because he has neut, web and rapids which means no cap no tank
if you kite he will jump and log off
@@captainbenzie wait i didnt see the 'only one that can comfortably take out bc and cs'. What?! are you sure? all factions frigates can take out bcs and css if fitted properly, but overall succ can do more which most cannot
for example drone boats, can worm kill drone boats, im sure no (if boat has extra drones), the most common ship in eve, but succ is much more likely to do it
@@captainbenzie ok you won