Also your need to add why founders don't stay CEO 1. Sexual affairs 2. Shady deals during initial stages 3. Exhaustion in dealing with compliance and shareholders 4. Substance abuse Etc
I think there are two main reasons why there are so many Indian CEOs 1) Large workforce is disproportionally Indian/immigrant (Specially in tech). It is a good motivator for the board to place an Indian at the stop seat to keep the workforce aspirationally motivated to grind. 2) Generally speaking Indians are are "Yes" men. a great incentive for a board/founders to put a Yes man. (Read about Larry, Sergey and Sundar)
Here's my take 1) immense population, since India's got a large population there's also a larger probability for anything to happen, China isn't exactly the case as China is also a lot more restrictive 2) Since academic success is a huge thing in India ( and many other Asian countries aswell) the people often try hard so that's another reason
There would be more Chinese for (2) above - education and in workforce - except many start their own enterprises in China. Most of the science courses have disproportionate numbers of asian students, presumably as they do not go to college to get a degree with poor prospects.
I forgot to add the most important point, Indians get things done. The lack of creative drive is perhaps being compensated by desire to grind. Although I do see Indians are catching up big time on innovation and creativity, for example CEO of preplexity and many others like him. All stereotyping aside lol. It would be nice to have a future where only thing that matters is your individuality and skill. Nothing else - period.
Flat is not bad. However listening to shareholders always has companies succeed mid term. Listening to shareholders also always has companies bankrupt in the long term. Shareholders are in it for the money, not the health of the company. Growth in the near term trumps everything else. Growth is the only thing they care about.. but it is a fact that growth can never be infinite. You will eventually bump up against the walls, which is the phase Microsoft is in right now after many years with Satya listening to shareholders. So now they scramble and panic to squeeze out more profit from anywhere they can. Allow their OS to become riddled with adware and preinstalled third party software. Start turning everything into a subscription. Find every way they can to collect data and sell it. Buy out all the competition they can. The last few years of growth until the walls collapse, the shareholders start selling, and they are forced to shrink, go bankrupt, or sell parts of their business off. Pump pump pump… pop! The Wall Street cycle is always the same. The companies that have managed to stay alive the longest.. are companies that are flat.
@destructodisk9074 Satya did far more than blindly follow shareholders. He changed the culture in many ways. Balmer was anti-open souce and very "us vs them" leadership. Satya was Pro open source as much as MS can be, worked with Apple to promote O365 to Macbook users, bought Github, and bought Open AI that has changed many things in technologically advance nations.
The critique in the video is fairly retarded. Satya revived MSFT and made Azure no.2 Cloud with a different model. Not even mentioning that and downplaying that is fairly myopic. Look at MSFT stock, he is regarded as one of the best tech CEOs out there.. oh but he doesn't make flashy products that don't have commercial success. What a shame! (note xbox never made money for MSFT, and neither did PS for Sony for a long time)
As an investor, I don't care about the CEO's nationality as long as they do a good job running the company. As a customer, I don't care as long as they don't mess up their existing products that I use
@@LogicallyAnswered As a tech enthusiast, I prefer visionaries because I want cool new products, but as an investor I want vanilla CEOs. I will accept lower returns in exchange for lower risk
Ideally google shouldn't know. Each of our tracking data should be encrypted and stored so that only we have access to it. If we have allowed Google to track our movements, it should be done by just tracking the geopositioning of my movements and not attach my name, email, number, age, gender, or racial data to it. Take all geopositioning data without any other data attached to it and put them in a data lake. In that way Google can know someone moved X distance not that I moved X distance. Thats the difference. Its a very simple answer and didn't need more context as Sundar asked.
I've worked with Indians in the Anglosphere and one thing they know is how to get ahead in a corporate hierarchy, how to manage, who to be close to, who to elbow, who's ego to inflate, how to build their own image etc. Not all deserved that success though...
And most are bootlickers of their white masters just to get benefits in corporate world. They do the same in india too. Bootlicking the senior to get ahead.
Satya is generally regarded as the best CEO working today (maybe outside of Jamie Dimon and Buffet). He's made almost exclusively good decisions after taking over from Ballmer, who did a lot to fuck up the once largest and fastest growing busienss in the world
That really depends on what you are looking for in a CEO. Satya has been very good at being conservative, and focusing on Microsoft's strengths instead of chasing Apple, which was a much needed change of pace. That is great if you are most concerned with producing the most profit today, but it may come at the cost of producing more profit tomorrow. Right now Satya has Microsoft going down the same path as IBM where the consumer side of the business is increasingly less and less important. While being a top cloud provider is likely to be more robust business model than IBMs business offerings, if Microsoft continues down its current path its influence (and thus stock price) will slowly degrade over time until it is just a shell of its former self. Satya was what MIcrosoft needed at the time, but if Microsoft wants to avoid being the next IBM it will need to find a more ambitious CEO at some point.
@@evancombs5159 I believe that you are missing the point of what Microsoft is trying to do. Microsoft thrives more on building products that are specialized. They have embraced the fact that they can never match Google in building products that are for generalized consumer applications. Even the consumer products that Microsoft builds henceforth will not be as widely excepted as say google search they will be diverse and for different consumers with different usecases and ofc the biggest diversity in that is of business applications. That's why Microsoft was dead focused on that.
This is so true. Both Microsoft and Google are really struggling when it comes to innovating new things. They keep cancelling exciting products. Windows Phone was killed, Stadia was killed, Microsoft Surface has not improved, Gemini is still not good. Microsoft even fired Panos who was really passionate about making exciting products. Satya and Sundar are great businessmen but I think they dont vie for innovation and new exciting products.
Microsoft is not doing too bad when it comes to AI. For years, Edge was a browser to download Google Chrome and Bing was even more useless than that but Microsoft managed to turn it around. Now I trust Bing AI much more than Google search which is so poisoned with ads you can barely find anything useful.
Instead of really promising innovations, they make completely unnecessary products like Copilot and try to force their use by introducing them where they are not needed, and then just bury them next to other unsuccessful products, while at the same time the main product that once brought them to the forefront. is often broken and in need of repair, this is the case with windows with its terrible technical condition and android after version 11, where file handling is like a disaster, so slow and horrible that I go crazy when I need to find the right photo....
@@anonymousperson9735 I disagree, there should be a way for illegal immigrants to become citizens. Also, everyone in the US is an immigrant, unless you're native american.
@@anonymousperson9735 So what's your solution?.To collapse almost all western societies.And being against illegal immigration is very reasonable but why legal immigrants
Omg the Sundar politician segment gave me flashbacks of last month when I had to get a refund on my car rental, because the booking company (Hopper) booked my car pick-up for 11:30 PM, but the rental company closed at 10 PM (my flight landed at 10 PM). So essentially they had the wrong booking information and hours in their app, of the business they booked me with. I literally spent hours upon hours talking in circles to one guy at an Indian call center that represented Hopper. I must of said “Sir, did your company give me false information on the location’s hours and cause me to not be able to pick up my car when I arrived? A yes or no answer is all I need.”. And then he would constantly refuse to answer with a yes or no, and go on long talks about how they have to work with third parties, and it’s not their fault. He refused to let me talk to anyone else. He refused to talk about refunds and instead would talk about how he could book me with another company for a small fee of $100. After perhaps 4 hours and no progress, I just decided to do a chargeback. Don’t use Hopper to rent a car :-(
I take pride in these Indian CEOs because when we were kids we were only seen as corner shop owners or smelly resturant owners but now it is inspiring us all to see representation at top level ;). Chapati power ftw
Actually the biggest problem with biggest company taking risk is that if the industry dusrupts due to their innovation then they will be the one who feel the tremble. For example google is reluctant to integrate AI into search because it could interfere with their entire business model of people scrolling for websites and watching google ads on them. But i think the best way to make big companies grind is to have more and more competition. For example microsoft integrated AI in their search even though they are big company and the changy was huge for a browser but they were the underdog of search industry and any growth or disruption is good because they hold a small market cap and the only way they go is forward. Thats the reason why US aviation industry is lacking because Boeing don't have any insensitive or desperation to innovate while US aerospace industry was in the golden era when there were companies like mcdonnell Douglas, Northrop corp, Grumman corp, Lockheed corp, Marietta were fighting for big market share which lead to many innovation but now they all made peace with each other and kept the industry behind
Aviation industry in general also becomes super conservative because: a) Merger acquisition. See the list of aviation companies you just listed? Now, if the DoD wants to design and buy a fighter jet, there are only 3 options. If any country wants to buy a passenger jet, it's either Boeing or Airbus. There is incentive to innovate when you haven't swallowed up your competion b) Jet, especially passenger plane, are an expensive investment, mostly around maximizing safety and comfort and meeting a thousand of other specific regulations. The last time the aero industry truly innovated was when the Concorde came about, and that thing came with so many issues about cost, supersonic boom, cramped space, etc. that it was retired in 2004
I've started to learn programming. Whenever you like this reply it'll remind me of my Goal to become a big Tech CEO in Ten years (I'm just looking for likes man ) and become the first Kenya Big Tech CEO
This was an awesome piece, and quite informative and enlightening, and something mainstream media would not dare touch, lol! Interesting to term us as American-Indian. Of course, most will understand that you are referring to Desis, not Native Americans. Generally, the ethnicity is first, then American second (eg African American), but I like how you have American first! It helps challenge the "perpetual foreigner" syndrome many South Asian Americans face. At any rate, well done, Hari! This video will blow up!
Hahaha thanks Santanu! I really didn’t mean for this video to be “inflammatory”, but looks like a lot of people aren’t able to look past the title. Switched the title to be something a bit more vanilla haha. Hopefully future comments will be more insightful and nuanced like yours!
You're wrong on this one: The Xbox CEO admited to "losing the console war" not because of a good transparency culture, but because Microsoft is changing is business model from Consoles to Subscriptions.
Such admissions are a way of managing the expectations of investors. They want to justify losses so that they can buy time until there's something else to distract shareholders with.
@@LogicallyAnswered I'm an actual Indian here (Not native American or Indian American 😂) so I hope the responses aren't filled with end up in Paj33t this Paj33t that or even worse.
I mean. It’s a sensitive topic. These are people’s jobs. And us crackers have every single right to be “upset” if they’re artificially giving them to minorities for some perceived virtue on the corporations name. If you want civility, go see a play 😂❤
many good points here Hari. It's like once the company has gone through its innovative startup phase, taken all the necessary risks, and has now gone public, the shareholders really just want a safe pair of hands that will do the sensible things and not to rock the boat. Do That was interesting the way nadella said "only if you want me to be CEO", that really does say it all, i bet the board nearly wet themselves at those words.
You are absolutely correct about Indian CEOs being more like businessman politicians. It has more to do with how our education system has been developed to make us very efficient workers rather than being risk taking entrepreneurs.
Here's is the thing about Boeing... Bringing an engineer ceo probably wont fix the problem... Because there are already engineering domain experts working there who are in position to advice the ceo and the CTO is obviously an engineer and he has a lot of experience managing large engineering projects.
In india taking risk is a bad thing parent dont want their kids to take risk and so kids eventually afraid of taking risk . so you can see this in Indian ceo's
Nonetheless, for all the young Indians in the West like myself pursuing Engineering, these guys are massive inspirations. They truly show us that despite being immigrants or of a different race, we can succeed & excel like anyone else! Hoping I can emulate the success of Sundar & Satya in the future. Jai Hind lads
They did it off the backs of the “backwards cast” it is classism at its finest. All of these CEO’s come from the Brahmin Caste in India. They are basically the ruling class from india. They don’t do manual labor and are forbidden from mingling woth others of lower caste.
For real though my assumption is just that there are a billion Indians and over the years the smart/wealthy/able to become wealthy ones moved to the US and the average/below average ones didn't
How though? The average Asian, that come to America make more than the even Caucasian Americans. Most immigrants from the eastern hemisphere that come to America do great.
You're absolutely right. Only the best kids from India get to go to the US. Getting a US student or work visa is next to impossible unless you're smart af. It's a given that if you're good at studies you move to the US or UK. India is full of mediocrity or below average kids. This is why there is no innovation coming from India
10 years to 15 years ago. I was telling everybody you should outsource our CEOs as the American CEOs were getting paid too much money to do two little work and it looks like somebody heard me😂
Tbh all these companies are actively experimenting with new tech like quantum computers or AI research like transformer from Google. We don't really see it from the outside, but they're constantly innovating. They're more careful about pushing a fully polished product to the market.
Well if you import Indians you will import a bit of Indian Bureaucracy. Also if your benchmark is Tim Cook, he's a brilliant risk taker. If they are the same Kudos to the Indian CEOs.
Hey Hari, I think for the most part, you are perhaps right. Although it might be the case that as you mentioned about Jobs, Steve and the others who've built the company from scratch first hand, they treated it as their own child & hence thrived for innovation along with growth. Contrary to the 2nd or the 3rd generation CEOs who just want to grow the company doing their job. Also may I know was this calling out to Indian CEOs just a trick to gain more impressions on your content?😂 PS: keep up the good work, love your content!
Thanks man! Well, I’ve always wanted to make a video about the trend of Indian CEOs. I have dozens of videos exploring the success stories of these guys. So, I wanted to explore the other side as well, but as you probably saw, a lot of people are just reading the title and getting triggered haha :)
Steve Jobs turned Apple from a corporation into a cult of personality. Looking at Elon Musk, who has only had his own cult of personality tarnished by associating with white supremacists and acting like a spoiled teenager, had Jobs lived he probably would have turned Apple into a state-sanctioned religion. Indian CEOs don't have this kind of charisma.
A CEO's job today is largely ceremonial. They are there to be the face of the company and take the fall when the inevitable downturn occurs. For this, they are paid handsomely. They're not supposed to have ideas, make waves, or be leaders. They are the conformist face or a conformist organizational hierarchy, intended to assure investors that the company, like any other public company in any industry, is only an engine that maximizes shareholder value.
(11:36 onwards) Corporate politics is a big reason why I'd hate to be in a management position or above - it becomes less about your skill and passion on the craft, but your skill on pleasing others, be it your bosses or clients.
Why wouldn't you sell all of your stock as soon as you could if it was any amount more than $50 million? Money only improves your quality of life up to a certain point. There's absolutely no practical reason to take chances to get 10x $750 million when you can just have $750 million. It's just high score chasing at that point.
If the guy in the video would have the smartness to lecture all these ceo's he'd probably be one of those ceo's but he's not. Something to think about before believing anything that he says 😂
You honestly think employees like these CEO’s, when they’re constantly laying off employees, freezing salary increases, putting AI ahead of everything else and then raking in hundreds of millions themselves?
I was with you till Iger. Iger is vanilla. He does not create, he buys other companies he thinks will increase shareholder value. The difference between Eisner and Iger is night and day. Eisner had vision. Iger has none. You should do a breakdown on the two of them, it’s stark.
Indian CEOs are good at doing 2 things: 1.lowering a tech company's reputation from being a pay leader to a pay lagger 2. Hiring other Indian employees to help keep their Indian mafia alive
Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva. Companies are started by Visionary Brahma, they are managed by knowledgeable but lacking vision Vishnu. But, due to stagnation, they must be renewed by Shiva. Who will the Shiva of Google and Microsoft be ?
A crisp and well made video. Google has started to charge for everything since Sundar took over. You hit the nail on the head when you said they mastered politics. Yes, they did.
I agree with the idea that each CEO has their own innovative approach, especially when it comes to Satya. Having read his book, I must say that he made some of the best decisions regarding AI and cloud computing. On the other hand, Kubernetes was open-sourced a year before Sundar took charge, and let's not forget that they also let Transformers pass, one of the main technologies of this era. In my opinion, Google needs to go back to its roots of futuristic, crazy ideas, open-source innovation, and mastering AI research
Indian CEOs just take being a CEO as their job, and they don't give two shits about innovation or groundbreaking tech. The innovation comes from people with unique ideas.
I'll agree with you on all the rest of the CEOs except Satya. Satya was not given a choice actually, he was asked to be the CEO make the cloud business a success or he was out. So out of the 3 choices he had the only one he could pick was to become the CEO and make Azure a success. I'm not saying that he is a visionary but I'm saying that he's not been given the freedom to be one. Sundar was a visionary if you look at the products he built but even though he is given much freedom compared to Satya he is showing little promise. I consider most non-founder CEOs Vanilla and it has nothing to do with India. The past few videos are making me go through an existential crisis. The previous video on Product Managers and this one on Indians and I'm an Indian Product Manager lol 😂.
This is very true, most non-founder CEOs are just normal businessmen who went to school to be businessmen. They are businessmen first, and usually nothing more. Their game is money and politics. This is opposed to founders who tend to be engineers, creators, etc. first and businessmen second, more out of necessity than a desire to be one. This means these people tend to be more principled, and less likely to compromise. Businessmen tend to not care unless it affects the bottom line.
Hari, you have got a valid point of discussion. Only bone to pick up for me in your argument is that it is true of ALL MBA type, non-founder CEOs. You are unfairly singling out Indians. You should have instead compared Indian Engineer-MBA CEOs with other non-founder, Engineer-MBA CEOs and then may be go where the results of that comparison take you.
Depends. There are many examples -If you like Bose speakers then that company was founded by an Indian, -Framework laptop's founder and CEO is indian and that company is really innovating in laptop space -if you are trading using Robinhood then it was founded by indian -clubhouse was co-founded by an indian -another innovative company Bloom energy that focuses on energy storage using solid oxide fuel cell is founded by an Indian - also an innovative company called SkyCool technology is founded by an Indian and they are really passionate and innovative. The founder himself created the technology during his university days taking inspection from ancient technology. So you see there are plenty of good and innovative Indian tech founders and CEOs but people just go for the big fish and complain why all fish are the same. It's just perception bias to find problems in a very unexpected development that breaks past the status quo which you were comfortable with. But I'm all for ripping all the tech founders and CEOs because even innovative CEOs are no less ruthless and shallow. Elon and Zukerberg are some of the worst CEOs if you are an employee. They will fire anyone to save money for their weird projects like metaverse Or buying twitter. While CEOs like Bill gates and Steve Jobs were the most anti competition sharks. Steve Jobs declared a thermonuclear war against Android which only ended after is death while microsoft was the embodiment of what an anti-competition looked like. Doing business during their prime time as a competitor was just a nightmare. You will always lose no matter how innovative you are if these giant monopolies are in heat during that moment and they will crush you by any means even if the industry loses a big innovative company. We just need moderation I'm both sides. Not too crazy or not too shareholder oriented
I am an Indian and would prefer that Indians stay in India and prevent our brain drain. I myself have refused a foreign placement in the UK. BUt do you see how much direct Indian employees work in US comanies? A lot more work is outsourced to India as well. I have experience with best western colleges and most of the students there cannot keep up with the IIT students. Do you think you have enough people educated and trained enough to do these jobs?
I worked at a big-ish company. Founded and built-up by engineers. The business was booming and the employees loved the operation. A hotshot MBA came in. Everyone hates it now.
Being a Vanilla CEO has its Pros and Cons. They're more willing to thing of company's financial interests, but they rarely put much focus into developing innovation products.
These same UA-camrs were critical of Zuckerberg when the shares of meta were crashing due to metaverse, now they are calling him a visionary Can’t take this seriously
But you can tell how focused they are. Even on UA-cam if you're looking for any tutorial or have a problem looking for a fix, there's always an Indian out there with the solution. It's been crazy to see how big MKBHD is and how MrWhoseTheBoss put in the work and grew over the years to be up there with him. Even Logically Answered, the demographic is a dedicated one gotta admit.
I think part of it too is their background and education. Most of these guys from Hyderabad are competing with like 60% of the population of their state to get into top universities there and then American companies from there. Their environment is like Silicon Valley but they are competing with way more people. In fact, it's common in the culture of their state that you will find failed engineering grads working at Starbucks. To be an engineer that makes it to America and works here is a big, big deal. There's lots of normal people who end up in tech in America, but these guys are some of the smartest in the world to begin with, so they already have a leg up on most of the people they compete with once they get here. I worked at Microsoft and was blown away by the raw intelligence of these guys. They could explain a computer architecture that requires a Masters degree to understand like they were describing their weekend. Almost my entire management chain was Indian men, and I was the only American citizen on my dev team. These guys dominate in tech in a way that is just unmatched by any other demographic. But, it means they have a lot more on the line than an American citizen does, and so they often work harder at their jobs and play it safer than we do. And I think this is reflected in the lack of innovation we see at the top levels.
Its actually the opposite for big companies , big companies have all the resources and brilliant people who can come up with ideas apple vision pro was an idea , you have factories manufacturers programmers and money and retail solutions to get products into people's hands and correct price what more can a business ever want
an indian ceo cannot be arrogant or innovative outside of india . That’s due to the racism against them inside the system. An indian ceo like who you are explaining can exist in india and only in india . Remember there are many of them ..
The US had seen this before. Entrepreneur started the great companies and took them to great heights. Professional managers took over. Used to be WASPS, now Indians. Its the same story.
Disagree WASPs are the founding population of the US. There’s no US without them, they didn’t take over from someone else, they created their own society.
Well they are indeed good at doing what they are asked and will do it perfectly. They are loyal to the investors. Loyalty, duty.. You americans really value such things right?
This video answers all the questions everyone thinks , but is too afraid to ask . Having said that, while Pichai has been dubbed as a yes man and with little vision and appetite for risk , it failed to get ontp the AI bandwagon before OPEN AI and chatgpt hit it out of the park. That's because when the ceo has no proper vision and is merely a person pleasing the board , hell only take those steps which will keep the higher ups happy. The massive layoffs at Google was also another indicator , that Pichai has little backbone to the board. Id put Nadella above Sundar, because he's been doing the correct thing, buying up profitable companies before the rival companies do.. Another main reason , why Nadella , Pichai or the other INDIAN Ceos you mentioned, will always be vanilla paper pushers than brash and exciting like say Mark Zuckerberg, is that theyre a lot lot older than Mark. The climb up the corporate ladder had been a slow and almost glacial one for most Indians , and they won't risk what they've worked for vis a vis Mark .
Some of your comparisons are convoluted like boing has mba ceo but these most of indian ceo has engineering and management degree both. Do you really think they can't innovate when it comes to just that. Think again how chrome was built even sergai didn't predicted it's success. Its just matter of what board of company wants .
It's a double edged sword. If you compare recent stats with that of the past, far fewer Tier-1 college graduates are actually going abroad. I understand that people like Sundar and Satya might be great additions to India but by very nature, they are not visionaries. India has enough vanilla businessmen to run top businesses. The next step would be to actually create companies/products that can stand out at a global level. MBAs will never do that. And currently, India lacks the system to actually promote the rise of revolutionary new products, so we are between a rock and hard place here.
@@Ultravenom1 as someone married to an Indian... this is too true, no /s needed. I love her and the country she comes from, but trying to make sense of the place is just impossible lol
I worked with an Indian scientist. When Nadella was appointed he said he was a really good guy. Should have bought MSFT right then. Pinchai is a huge disappointment.
Here's the Indian side of the story Most Indian's want to go to the States for two reasons, first to earn money or second for social status, most of us go for the money, all the Indian CEO also go there for money, they just say Yes to everything, to secure their job, get their fat paycheck at the end of the month and keep their family happy, they are living their life, they don't wanna take risks anymore.
nothing bad with indian ceos. if they are good let them continue. It really doenst have anything to do with race and if they perform bad they will be replaced. its normal. they are hardworking and dedicated and as an indian working as a software engineer in us its an inspiration
They seriously need to pay their employees better wages, especially the manufacturing department because they just like to sit in their lavish mansions and yachts that the labour manufacturers build and pay them hardly anything
Even Logically Answered CEO is Indian goddamn
Indeed hahaha
They have taken over
What's his name
@@Adivasi7777 Harry
Or harish
Also your need to add why founders don't stay CEO
1. Sexual affairs
2. Shady deals during initial stages
3. Exhaustion in dealing with compliance and shareholders
4. Substance abuse
Etc
Mc afee haha
"sexual affairs" should not be #1
I think there are two main reasons why there are so many Indian CEOs
1) Large workforce is disproportionally Indian/immigrant (Specially in tech). It is a good motivator for the board to place an Indian at the stop seat to keep the workforce aspirationally motivated to grind.
2) Generally speaking Indians are are "Yes" men. a great incentive for a board/founders to put a Yes man. (Read about Larry, Sergey and Sundar)
Here's my take
1) immense population, since India's got a large population there's also a larger probability for anything to happen, China isn't exactly the case as China is also a lot more restrictive
2) Since academic success is a huge thing in India ( and many other Asian countries aswell) the people often try hard so that's another reason
@@adityaanuragi6916 you're wrong on so many levels.
@@sidhuthesmwgroup how so?
There would be more Chinese for (2) above - education and in workforce - except many start their own enterprises in China.
Most of the science courses have disproportionate numbers of asian students, presumably as they do not go to college to get a degree with poor prospects.
I forgot to add the most important point, Indians get things done. The lack of creative drive is perhaps being compensated by desire to grind.
Although I do see Indians are catching up big time on innovation and creativity, for example CEO of preplexity and many others like him.
All stereotyping aside lol. It would be nice to have a future where only thing that matters is your individuality and skill. Nothing else - period.
Steve Ballmer drove the stock flat for 14 years. Things started picking up only after Satya Nadella.
Flat is not bad. However listening to shareholders always has companies succeed mid term. Listening to shareholders also always has companies bankrupt in the long term. Shareholders are in it for the money, not the health of the company. Growth in the near term trumps everything else. Growth is the only thing they care about.. but it is a fact that growth can never be infinite. You will eventually bump up against the walls, which is the phase Microsoft is in right now after many years with Satya listening to shareholders. So now they scramble and panic to squeeze out more profit from anywhere they can. Allow their OS to become riddled with adware and preinstalled third party software. Start turning everything into a subscription. Find every way they can to collect data and sell it. Buy out all the competition they can.
The last few years of growth until the walls collapse, the shareholders start selling, and they are forced to shrink, go bankrupt, or sell parts of their business off. Pump pump pump… pop! The Wall Street cycle is always the same.
The companies that have managed to stay alive the longest.. are companies that are flat.
@destructodisk9074 Satya did far more than blindly follow shareholders. He changed the culture in many ways. Balmer was anti-open souce and very "us vs them" leadership. Satya was Pro open source as much as MS can be, worked with Apple to promote O365 to Macbook users, bought Github, and bought Open AI that has changed many things in technologically advance nations.
The critique in the video is fairly retarded. Satya revived MSFT and made Azure no.2 Cloud with a different model. Not even mentioning that and downplaying that is fairly myopic. Look at MSFT stock, he is regarded as one of the best tech CEOs out there.. oh but he doesn't make flashy products that don't have commercial success. What a shame! (note xbox never made money for MSFT, and neither did PS for Sony for a long time)
In tech, flat is absolutely bad. @@destructodisk9074
@@akin242002 Many open source initiatives started under Balmer, he wasn't against it at all.
As an investor, I don't care about the CEO's nationality as long as they do a good job running the company. As a customer, I don't care as long as they don't mess up their existing products that I use
Agreed, but do you care if they’re visionary vs vanilla?
@@LogicallyAnswered As a tech enthusiast, I prefer visionaries because I want cool new products, but as an investor I want vanilla CEOs. I will accept lower returns in exchange for lower risk
@@itchylol742 Exactly, that's why nobody knows you as an investor.
Fair enough
@@sidhuthesmwgroup bruh, everybody with stocks is an investor, chill
Sundar's first response to the question at 8:25 should have been "bro, that's an iPhone"
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If it has google services on they can still track you.
😂😂
The guy in the video might sound smart but I'm having my doubts that he's not
Ideally google shouldn't know. Each of our tracking data should be encrypted and stored so that only we have access to it. If we have allowed Google to track our movements, it should be done by just tracking the geopositioning of my movements and not attach my name, email, number, age, gender, or racial data to it. Take all geopositioning data without any other data attached to it and put them in a data lake. In that way Google can know someone moved X distance not that I moved X distance. Thats the difference. Its a very simple answer and didn't need more context as Sundar asked.
I've worked with Indians in the Anglosphere and one thing they know is how to get ahead in a corporate hierarchy, how to manage, who to be close to, who to elbow, who's ego to inflate, how to build their own image etc.
Not all deserved that success though...
You left out scamming investors. That's another thing they're good at.
Rahe it from an Indian all these CEOs I come higher castes in India … read Ambedkar for more information
And most are bootlickers of their white masters just to get benefits in corporate world. They do the same in india too. Bootlicking the senior to get ahead.
@@bunty396Upper castes work hard because they don't have any reservation.
Satya is generally regarded as the best CEO working today (maybe outside of Jamie Dimon and Buffet). He's made almost exclusively good decisions after taking over from Ballmer, who did a lot to fuck up the once largest and fastest growing busienss in the world
That really depends on what you are looking for in a CEO. Satya has been very good at being conservative, and focusing on Microsoft's strengths instead of chasing Apple, which was a much needed change of pace. That is great if you are most concerned with producing the most profit today, but it may come at the cost of producing more profit tomorrow. Right now Satya has Microsoft going down the same path as IBM where the consumer side of the business is increasingly less and less important. While being a top cloud provider is likely to be more robust business model than IBMs business offerings, if Microsoft continues down its current path its influence (and thus stock price) will slowly degrade over time until it is just a shell of its former self. Satya was what MIcrosoft needed at the time, but if Microsoft wants to avoid being the next IBM it will need to find a more ambitious CEO at some point.
@@evancombs5159 I believe that you are missing the point of what Microsoft is trying to do. Microsoft thrives more on building products that are specialized. They have embraced the fact that they can never match Google in building products that are for generalized consumer applications.
Even the consumer products that Microsoft builds henceforth will not be as widely excepted as say google search they will be diverse and for different consumers with different usecases and ofc the biggest diversity in that is of business applications. That's why Microsoft was dead focused on that.
@@evancombs5159Windows is still king at PCs. Linux is not going after their market share anytime soon.
Satya is arguably the best CEO in action today.
Internally he’s hated
You gotta love Zuck. Over 20 years at the helm and still has full control of the company. That is BOSS.
If you have a visionary ceo usually founders that it becomes casino like. If you have boring mba indian ceo, you got a yes man
Classic dilemma between abrasive founders and vanilla MBA CEOs
@@LogicallyAnswered If it is for retirement investment, I want a vanilla MBA ceos. Other than that I want a visionary
Just because the guy in the video sounds smart he might not be actually smart and that's why he's still doing UA-cam videos 😂😂
@@4bioshock4he himself founded an investment platform
@@anush_agrawal what's the name of the platform🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
This is so true. Both Microsoft and Google are really struggling when it comes to innovating new things. They keep cancelling exciting products. Windows Phone was killed, Stadia was killed, Microsoft Surface has not improved, Gemini is still not good. Microsoft even fired Panos who was really passionate about making exciting products. Satya and Sundar are great businessmen but I think they dont vie for innovation and new exciting products.
Exactly this ^^
Microsoft is not doing too bad when it comes to AI. For years, Edge was a browser to download Google Chrome and Bing was even more useless than that but Microsoft managed to turn it around. Now I trust Bing AI much more than Google search which is so poisoned with ads you can barely find anything useful.
Then where is innovation in iPhone ? I don't think apple ceo is Indian now, is he ?
Instead of really promising innovations, they make completely unnecessary products
like Copilot and try to force their use by introducing them where they are not needed, and then just bury them next to other unsuccessful products, while at the same time the main product that once brought them to the forefront.
is often broken and in need of repair,
this is the case with windows with its terrible technical condition
and android after version 11, where file handling is like a disaster, so slow and horrible that I go crazy when I need to find the right photo....
@@yami7509 I think the biggest innovation that came from Apple in recent years was their M1, M2... chips. It just changed the game.
Bro is the veritassium of the financial space!!! Good job
🙏
Veritassium is garbage though
@@XxfieryfirexX I haven’t seen the latest videos but the old ones are good
I am waiting for Dave Chappelle to do a funny monologue about the Indian conspiracy in Silicon Valley.
I mean they're basically doing what China did in the 90s and 00s, but they're not creating an incentive to go back to India like china did.
@@KRYMauL facts. This is why I'm against legal and illegal immigration.
@@anonymousperson9735 I disagree, there should be a way for illegal immigrants to become citizens. Also, everyone in the US is an immigrant, unless you're native american.
@@anonymousperson9735 So what's your solution?.To collapse almost all western societies.And being against illegal immigration is very reasonable but why legal immigrants
I would love to see that. HAHA
Omg the Sundar politician segment gave me flashbacks of last month when I had to get a refund on my car rental, because the booking company (Hopper) booked my car pick-up for 11:30 PM, but the rental company closed at 10 PM (my flight landed at 10 PM). So essentially they had the wrong booking information and hours in their app, of the business they booked me with. I literally spent hours upon hours talking in circles to one guy at an Indian call center that represented Hopper.
I must of said “Sir, did your company give me false information on the location’s hours and cause me to not be able to pick up my car when I arrived? A yes or no answer is all I need.”. And then he would constantly refuse to answer with a yes or no, and go on long talks about how they have to work with third parties, and it’s not their fault. He refused to let me talk to anyone else. He refused to talk about refunds and instead would talk about how he could book me with another company for a small fee of $100.
After perhaps 4 hours and no progress, I just decided to do a chargeback.
Don’t use Hopper to rent a car :-(
I take pride in these Indian CEOs because when we were kids we were only seen as corner shop owners or smelly resturant owners but now it is inspiring us all to see representation at top level ;).
Chapati power ftw
Actually the biggest problem with biggest company taking risk is that if the industry dusrupts due to their innovation then they will be the one who feel the tremble.
For example google is reluctant to integrate AI into search because it could interfere with their entire business model of people scrolling for websites and watching google ads on them.
But i think the best way to make big companies grind is to have more and more competition. For example microsoft integrated AI in their search even though they are big company and the changy was huge for a browser but they were the underdog of search industry and any growth or disruption is good because they hold a small market cap and the only way they go is forward.
Thats the reason why US aviation industry is lacking because Boeing don't have any insensitive or desperation to innovate while US aerospace industry was in the golden era when there were companies like mcdonnell Douglas, Northrop corp, Grumman corp, Lockheed corp, Marietta were fighting for big market share which lead to many innovation but now they all made peace with each other and kept the industry behind
Found peace = merge
Aviation industry in general also becomes super conservative because:
a) Merger acquisition. See the list of aviation companies you just listed? Now, if the DoD wants to design and buy a fighter jet, there are only 3 options. If any country wants to buy a passenger jet, it's either Boeing or Airbus. There is incentive to innovate when you haven't swallowed up your competion
b) Jet, especially passenger plane, are an expensive investment, mostly around maximizing safety and comfort and meeting a thousand of other specific regulations. The last time the aero industry truly innovated was when the Concorde came about, and that thing came with so many issues about cost, supersonic boom, cramped space, etc. that it was retired in 2004
I've started to learn programming. Whenever you like this reply it'll remind me of my Goal to become a big Tech CEO in Ten years (I'm just looking for likes man ) and become the first Kenya Big Tech CEO
This was an awesome piece, and quite informative and enlightening, and something mainstream media would not dare touch, lol! Interesting to term us as American-Indian. Of course, most will understand that you are referring to Desis, not Native Americans. Generally, the ethnicity is first, then American second (eg African American), but I like how you have American first! It helps challenge the "perpetual foreigner" syndrome many South Asian Americans face. At any rate, well done, Hari! This video will blow up!
Hahaha thanks Santanu! I really didn’t mean for this video to be “inflammatory”, but looks like a lot of people aren’t able to look past the title. Switched the title to be something a bit more vanilla haha. Hopefully future comments will be more insightful and nuanced like yours!
You're wrong on this one: The Xbox CEO admited to "losing the console war" not because of a good transparency culture, but because Microsoft is changing is business model from Consoles to Subscriptions.
Such admissions are a way of managing the expectations of investors. They want to justify losses so that they can buy time until there's something else to distract shareholders with.
The subscription has nothing to do with their failure at all
Consoles don't matter if you flood all platforms (including playstation) with microsoft games (which call of duty is now included) hehe
God i hope the comments section will be civil and not resort to petty Name calling and Insulting.
Hahaha, one can hope
I will start insulting you. Yellymuscles
@@LogicallyAnswered I'm an actual Indian here (Not native American or Indian American 😂) so I hope the responses aren't filled with end up in Paj33t this Paj33t that or even worse.
You are filled with many faith
I mean. It’s a sensitive topic. These are people’s jobs. And us crackers have every single right to be “upset” if they’re artificially giving them to minorities for some perceived virtue on the corporations name.
If you want civility, go see a play 😂❤
Basically competent and won’t rock the boat. Happens to every business. Start innovative then gradually die and be replaced by managers.
This was a great one, Hari. I've been wondering about this for a long time.
Thanks man!
Very good video, impressive work. Thanks!
many good points here Hari. It's like once the company has gone through its innovative startup phase, taken all the necessary risks, and has now gone public, the shareholders really just want a safe pair of hands that will do the sensible things and not to rock the boat. Do
That was interesting the way nadella said "only if you want me to be CEO", that really does say it all, i bet the board nearly wet themselves at those words.
You are absolutely correct about Indian CEOs being more like businessman politicians.
It has more to do with how our education system has been developed to make us very efficient workers rather than being risk taking entrepreneurs.
Here's is the thing about Boeing... Bringing an engineer ceo probably wont fix the problem... Because there are already engineering domain experts working there who are in position to advice the ceo and the CTO is obviously an engineer and he has a lot of experience managing large engineering projects.
Just so you know, "American Indians" refers to Native Americans. "Indian Americans" would refer to ethnically Indian people who are American citizens.
In reality, Native Americans are not Indians.
not true
In india taking risk is a bad thing parent dont want their kids to take risk and so kids eventually afraid of taking risk . so you can see this in Indian ceo's
Nonetheless, for all the young Indians in the West like myself pursuing Engineering, these guys are massive inspirations. They truly show us that despite being immigrants or of a different race, we can succeed & excel like anyone else! Hoping I can emulate the success of Sundar & Satya in the future. Jai Hind lads
Good luck man :)
They did it off the backs of the “backwards cast” it is classism at its finest. All of these CEO’s come from the Brahmin Caste in India. They are basically the ruling class from india. They don’t do manual labor and are forbidden from mingling woth others of lower caste.
Yes. Being a heartless, corporate scumbag isn't just for Westerners!
@@arturogonzalez6232 lol lol
Most people in Engineering are Asian now, it's kind of a joke.
For real though my assumption is just that there are a billion Indians and over the years the smart/wealthy/able to become wealthy ones moved to the US and the average/below average ones didn't
As for why we don't see the same with the Chinese, communism doesn't mix well with talent
How though? The average Asian, that come to America make more than the even Caucasian Americans. Most immigrants from the eastern hemisphere that come to America do great.
@@brendanwiley253the Chinese immigrants got huge incentives to move back to china and start their own businesses*
They also bring their caste system with them. Which isn't something that's widely talked about or know.
You're absolutely right. Only the best kids from India get to go to the US. Getting a US student or work visa is next to impossible unless you're smart af. It's a given that if you're good at studies you move to the US or UK. India is full of mediocrity or below average kids. This is why there is no innovation coming from India
10 years to 15 years ago. I was telling everybody you should outsource our CEOs as the American CEOs were getting paid too much money to do two little work and it looks like somebody heard me😂
Tbh all these companies are actively experimenting with new tech like quantum computers or AI research like transformer from Google. We don't really see it from the outside, but they're constantly innovating. They're more careful about pushing a fully polished product to the market.
Well if you import Indians you will import a bit of Indian Bureaucracy. Also if your benchmark is Tim Cook, he's a brilliant risk taker. If they are the same Kudos to the Indian CEOs.
Hey Hari, I think for the most part, you are perhaps right. Although it might be the case that as you mentioned about Jobs, Steve and the others who've built the company from scratch first hand, they treated it as their own child & hence thrived for innovation along with growth. Contrary to the 2nd or the 3rd generation CEOs who just want to grow the company doing their job.
Also may I know was this calling out to Indian CEOs just a trick to gain more impressions on your content?😂
PS: keep up the good work, love your content!
Thanks man! Well, I’ve always wanted to make a video about the trend of Indian CEOs. I have dozens of videos exploring the success stories of these guys. So, I wanted to explore the other side as well, but as you probably saw, a lot of people are just reading the title and getting triggered haha :)
Steve Jobs turned Apple from a corporation into a cult of personality. Looking at Elon Musk, who has only had his own cult of personality tarnished by associating with white supremacists and acting like a spoiled teenager, had Jobs lived he probably would have turned Apple into a state-sanctioned religion. Indian CEOs don't have this kind of charisma.
A CEO's job today is largely ceremonial. They are there to be the face of the company and take the fall when the inevitable downturn occurs. For this, they are paid handsomely. They're not supposed to have ideas, make waves, or be leaders. They are the conformist face or a conformist organizational hierarchy, intended to assure investors that the company, like any other public company in any industry, is only an engine that maximizes shareholder value.
(11:36 onwards) Corporate politics is a big reason why I'd hate to be in a management position or above - it becomes less about your skill and passion on the craft, but your skill on pleasing others, be it your bosses or clients.
When watching the politician question the Google CEO it really leaves me flabbergasted how technologically ignorant politicians truly are 😂 😅 🤦♂️
Why wouldn't you sell all of your stock as soon as you could if it was any amount more than $50 million? Money only improves your quality of life up to a certain point. There's absolutely no practical reason to take chances to get 10x $750 million when you can just have $750 million. It's just high score chasing at that point.
Eh, if you’re the CEO of a Fortune 500 company, money probably lost it’s practically decades ago for you.
@@LogicallyAnswered*practicality. And I agree with you.
India 1GB daily Internet is readying up for warfare 😂
It's scam.
@@honor9lite1337 what the f bro
It's unlimited now
Cry harder 😂😂
Marc Zuckerberg is a visionery? Seriously? 😂😂
If the guy in the video would have the smartness to lecture all these ceo's he'd probably be one of those ceo's but he's not. Something to think about before believing anything that he says 😂
You honestly think employees like these CEO’s, when they’re constantly laying off employees, freezing salary increases, putting AI ahead of everything else and then raking in hundreds of millions themselves?
well, indians are known to favour own country men for jobs more than any other nationality. indian ceo, indian managers.
Indian CEO is a good thing only if your business is already at $100 billion.
Otherwise you should just continue with the founders as CEOs. 😂😂
True 💯
Would generalize that to a MBA CEO vs Founder CEO
Stop being pseudo. Become original.
Reporting from the UK - we have Rishi Sunak in charge - famously bad at politics 😉
Rishi sunak is British! His family moved 100 years ago. So no longer Indian.
@@eventhorizon1no they moved in like the 70s
How are you so consistent daily with top notch editing and research?
Always on the grind brother :)
I was with you till Iger. Iger is vanilla. He does not create, he buys other companies he thinks will increase shareholder value. The difference between Eisner and Iger is night and day. Eisner had vision. Iger has none. You should do a breakdown on the two of them, it’s stark.
Microsoft is the one that really saw potential in small companies that were succeeding like GitHub LinkedIn Azure cloud computing etc
As a Indian student pursuing MBA, I have to say I am deeply offended😫😫
Dude, you got balls of steel for making this video, talking anything bad about India/Indian online is brave man.
Dafuq are you talking about?! One of the most frequent racism and unfair negative stereotypes are against Indians
Na, honest criticism is accepted.
He himself is of Indian origin.
He is an indian himself
As an Indian, I hate to say this but he's right.
Wait. Did they change the og title or something?
Indian CEOs are good at doing 2 things:
1.lowering a tech company's reputation from being a pay leader to a pay lagger
2. Hiring other Indian employees to help keep their Indian mafia alive
Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva.
Companies are started by Visionary Brahma, they are managed by knowledgeable but lacking vision Vishnu.
But, due to stagnation, they must be renewed by Shiva.
Who will the Shiva of Google and Microsoft be ?
Its always the people. AT&T, IBM, Nokia, Xerox all had the same fate
A crisp and well made video. Google has started to charge for everything since Sundar took over. You hit the nail on the head when you said they mastered politics. Yes, they did.
I agree with the idea that each CEO has their own innovative approach, especially when it comes to Satya. Having read his book, I must say that he made some of the best decisions regarding AI and cloud computing. On the other hand, Kubernetes was open-sourced a year before Sundar took charge, and let's not forget that they also let Transformers pass, one of the main technologies of this era. In my opinion, Google needs to go back to its roots of futuristic, crazy ideas, open-source innovation, and mastering AI research
Don't worry this new breed of Indian CEOs, this time in AI game are all founders.
You change yourself.
JAI HIND Lol I have to say it never the less 😂
😂
What a great video, one of your most insightful since it was not data or information but a smart observation
A UA-cam channel named live hindi facts has copied your script of (why investors want sundar fired) he just converted your english script to hindi
Indian CEOs just take being a CEO as their job, and they don't give two shits about innovation or groundbreaking tech. The innovation comes from people with unique ideas.
ya just to secure his job 😂😂😂
I'll agree with you on all the rest of the CEOs except Satya. Satya was not given a choice actually, he was asked to be the CEO make the cloud business a success or he was out. So out of the 3 choices he had the only one he could pick was to become the CEO and make Azure a success. I'm not saying that he is a visionary but I'm saying that he's not been given the freedom to be one. Sundar was a visionary if you look at the products he built but even though he is given much freedom compared to Satya he is showing little promise. I consider most non-founder CEOs Vanilla and it has nothing to do with India.
The past few videos are making me go through an existential crisis. The previous video on Product Managers and this one on Indians and I'm an Indian Product Manager lol 😂.
This is very true, most non-founder CEOs are just normal businessmen who went to school to be businessmen. They are businessmen first, and usually nothing more. Their game is money and politics. This is opposed to founders who tend to be engineers, creators, etc. first and businessmen second, more out of necessity than a desire to be one. This means these people tend to be more principled, and less likely to compromise. Businessmen tend to not care unless it affects the bottom line.
Shaprabhat to you Hari! Danyavat for making this video.
Hari, you have got a valid point of discussion. Only bone to pick up for me in your argument is that it is true of ALL MBA type, non-founder CEOs. You are unfairly singling out Indians.
You should have instead compared Indian Engineer-MBA CEOs with other non-founder, Engineer-MBA CEOs and then may be go where the results of that comparison take you.
I keep seeing people point to all these Indian CEOs and say “immigration is a source of innovation.” I don’t see evidence of that…
Not Indian immigration
You’re blind. Many of these companies are founded by immigrants and the workhorses of the companies are immigrants
Depends. There are many examples
-If you like Bose speakers then that company was founded by an Indian,
-Framework laptop's founder and CEO is indian and that company is really innovating in laptop space
-if you are trading using Robinhood then it was founded by indian
-clubhouse was co-founded by an indian
-another innovative company Bloom energy that focuses on energy storage using solid oxide fuel cell is founded by an Indian
- also an innovative company called SkyCool technology is founded by an Indian and they are really passionate and innovative. The founder himself created the technology during his university days taking inspection from ancient technology.
So you see there are plenty of good and innovative Indian tech founders and CEOs but people just go for the big fish and complain why all fish are the same. It's just perception bias to find problems in a very unexpected development that breaks past the status quo which you were comfortable with.
But I'm all for ripping all the tech founders and CEOs because even innovative CEOs are no less ruthless and shallow. Elon and Zukerberg are some of the worst CEOs if you are an employee. They will fire anyone to save money for their weird projects like metaverse Or buying twitter.
While CEOs like Bill gates and Steve Jobs were the most anti competition sharks. Steve Jobs declared a thermonuclear war against Android which only ended after is death while microsoft was the embodiment of what an anti-competition looked like. Doing business during their prime time as a competitor was just a nightmare. You will always lose no matter how innovative you are if these giant monopolies are in heat during that moment and they will crush you by any means even if the industry loses a big innovative company.
We just need moderation I'm both sides. Not too crazy or not too shareholder oriented
Just one of the reasons why I'm against legal and illegal immigration.
I am an Indian and would prefer that Indians stay in India and prevent our brain drain. I myself have refused a foreign placement in the UK. BUt do you see how much direct Indian employees work in US comanies? A lot more work is outsourced to India as well. I have experience with best western colleges and most of the students there cannot keep up with the IIT students. Do you think you have enough people educated and trained enough to do these jobs?
Why is Silo not available for Android? 😢
I do need to correct your phrasing here. American Indians refers to the indigenous Indian population prior to British colonialization.
I worked at a big-ish company. Founded and built-up by engineers. The business was booming and the employees loved the operation.
A hotshot MBA came in. Everyone hates it now.
Did you work at Boeing ?
@@quakethedoombringer No. Boeing is BIG.
bro, you're really good at explaining!
This is about risk mitigation. Indian ceo is less risk for investors. Innovation takes risk taking, however, so there you have it.
Being a Vanilla CEO has its Pros and Cons. They're more willing to thing of company's financial interests, but they rarely put much focus into developing innovation products.
big companies recognise that size and innovation dont mix well. size breeed comfort. thats why theyd rather buy startups, it's just better.
These same UA-camrs were critical of Zuckerberg when the shares of meta were crashing due to metaverse, now they are calling him a visionary
Can’t take this seriously
getting offended.
You should do a video of companies during the Third Reich Era of Germany
Hahaha maybe
As a founder, I despise corporate bureaucrats, that if how great companies fall to ruin
This is a very good analysis!
I think they will all eventually become IBMs.
*Anyone Can Be A Ceo No Matter Where They Come From*
But you can tell how focused they are. Even on UA-cam if you're looking for any tutorial or have a problem looking for a fix, there's always an Indian out there with the solution. It's been crazy to see how big MKBHD is and how MrWhoseTheBoss put in the work and grew over the years to be up there with him. Even Logically Answered, the demographic is a dedicated one gotta admit.
So now the video title has been changed to "Vanilla CEOs..." vs "Indian CEOs..." ? lol
I think part of it too is their background and education. Most of these guys from Hyderabad are competing with like 60% of the population of their state to get into top universities there and then American companies from there. Their environment is like Silicon Valley but they are competing with way more people. In fact, it's common in the culture of their state that you will find failed engineering grads working at Starbucks. To be an engineer that makes it to America and works here is a big, big deal. There's lots of normal people who end up in tech in America, but these guys are some of the smartest in the world to begin with, so they already have a leg up on most of the people they compete with once they get here. I worked at Microsoft and was blown away by the raw intelligence of these guys. They could explain a computer architecture that requires a Masters degree to understand like they were describing their weekend. Almost my entire management chain was Indian men, and I was the only American citizen on my dev team. These guys dominate in tech in a way that is just unmatched by any other demographic. But, it means they have a lot more on the line than an American citizen does, and so they often work harder at their jobs and play it safer than we do. And I think this is reflected in the lack of innovation we see at the top levels.
Its actually the opposite for big companies , big companies have all the resources and brilliant people who can come up with ideas apple vision pro was an idea , you have factories manufacturers programmers and money and retail solutions to get products into people's hands and correct price what more can a business ever want
Line from "The Human Sovereign":
"The Han promotes the Hu and the Han. But the Hu promotes the Hu and only the Hu."
an indian ceo cannot be arrogant or innovative outside of india . That’s due to the racism against them inside the system. An indian ceo like who you are explaining can exist in india and only in india . Remember there are many of them ..
Indians rule the world!
The problem is not indians Its the investors who wants MBA specialists(Indians) as CEO's
The US had seen this before. Entrepreneur started the great companies and took them to great heights. Professional managers took over.
Used to be WASPS, now Indians. Its the same story.
What is WASPS?
@@onetwokaafour White anglo-saxon protestants. The dominant ethnic group in the US.
Disagree WASPs are the founding population of the US. There’s no US without them, they didn’t take over from someone else, they created their own society.
Well they are indeed good at doing what they are asked and will do it perfectly. They are loyal to the investors. Loyalty, duty.. You americans really value such things right?
This video answers all the questions everyone thinks , but is too afraid to ask .
Having said that, while Pichai has been dubbed as a yes man and with little vision and appetite for risk , it failed to get ontp the AI bandwagon before OPEN AI and chatgpt hit it out of the park. That's because when the ceo has no proper vision and is merely a person pleasing the board , hell only take those steps which will keep the higher ups happy. The massive layoffs at Google was also another indicator , that Pichai has little backbone to the board. Id put Nadella above Sundar, because he's been doing the correct thing, buying up profitable companies before the rival companies do..
Another main reason , why Nadella , Pichai or the other INDIAN Ceos you mentioned, will always be vanilla paper pushers than brash and exciting like say Mark Zuckerberg, is that theyre a lot lot older than Mark.
The climb up the corporate ladder had been a slow and almost glacial one for most Indians , and they won't risk what they've worked for vis a vis Mark .
True there is no out of box thinking just sticking to codes, politics and bookworms.....plus not having same background of studies.
You don't need innovations. What you actually need is monopoly
Great video as always
Thank you as always Balpreet!
Some of your comparisons are convoluted like boing has mba ceo but these most of indian ceo has engineering and management degree both. Do you really think they can't innovate when it comes to just that. Think again how chrome was built even sergai didn't predicted it's success. Its just matter of what board of company wants .
Shame they don’t stay in India, for India’s sake I mean. Brain drain is awful for economies but great for the receiving nation 🧠
But they might not have been able to do as much as they did in India.
One day, I'll do what nobody has ever done. Understand India. /s
This is what happened in the 90s and 00s with China, India just needs to create start-up incubators and the like to incentivize people to go back.
It's a double edged sword. If you compare recent stats with that of the past, far fewer Tier-1 college graduates are actually going abroad. I understand that people like Sundar and Satya might be great additions to India but by very nature, they are not visionaries. India has enough vanilla businessmen to run top businesses. The next step would be to actually create companies/products that can stand out at a global level. MBAs will never do that. And currently, India lacks the system to actually promote the rise of revolutionary new products, so we are between a rock and hard place here.
@@Ultravenom1 as someone married to an Indian... this is too true, no /s needed. I love her and the country she comes from, but trying to make sense of the place is just impossible lol
Makes me want to exit my Google position and re-enter Meta
Lmfao right?! Exactly why gemini flopping 😂
I worked with an Indian scientist. When Nadella was appointed he said he was a really good guy. Should have bought MSFT right then. Pinchai is a huge disappointment.
How come your mic and vid seem so out of sync usually
They 100% view layoffs in their own companies as just another transaction to be committed.
Here's the Indian side of the story
Most Indian's want to go to the States for two reasons, first to earn money or second for social status, most of us go for the money, all the Indian CEO also go there for money, they just say Yes to everything, to secure their job, get their fat paycheck at the end of the month and keep their family happy, they are living their life, they don't wanna take risks anymore.
Why did you change the title Hari?
nothing bad with indian ceos. if they are good let them continue. It really doenst have anything to do with race and if they perform bad they will be replaced. its normal. they are hardworking and dedicated and as an indian working as a software engineer in us its an inspiration
Very interesting perspective!
They seriously need to pay their employees better wages, especially the manufacturing department because they just like to sit in their lavish mansions and yachts that the labour manufacturers build and pay them hardly anything