This is exactly why I just bought the ASrock Taichi 7900 XTX. Has 4090 performance in the games I play (Fortnite, warzone, Valorant, etc) for only $950 discounted on Newegg right now. Will never be using DLSS or ray tracing either. I KNEW the performance was going to be underwhelming without DLSS. I had a feeling about this because SO much of their production and labor costs are going to AI. Which is smart for the future but not good yet.
the difference is just the power draw. I've tested CP2077 on a 4090 with a 130% power limit and it scores the exact same fps as a 5090 when DLSS is disabled. All the RT cores, all the GDDR7, extra shaders etc account for nothing.
I'm even happier I bought the 4080super now. Get 70FPS with really good setting in DCS on my Pimax 8kx. I was really considering waiting for the 50 series and am now glad I didnt
i also just got a new 4080S, for about €100 less than 5080 MSRP (more like €300-€400 less depending on how much Asus will charge for their 5080 ProArt OC. Seems wrong to buy a new-generation xx80 card and it still only have 16GB vRAM. As a VR user framegen is useless. RT an optional luxury even for the 4090/5090. VR is all about raster-performance. 3090/3090Ti despite generous vRAM can't match the 4080 on performance. 4090 still too pricey (and risky if buying used). 5090 even more so. 5070Ti frankly looks weaker than 4080S. Maybe i'll regret the 4080S purchase if real-world non-FG/non-RT benchmarks show the 5080 more than 30% ahead...but indications so far show it's only 10-15% ahead. The weakest generational improvement of any GeForce ever?
Lol I bought a 4090 2 months ago banking on the fact that they wont be able to top a 80% gen on gen leap going from 3090 to 4090, can't be happier about it.
I really do not understand whats wrong with people like you, why would you wanna upgrade from your perfectly capable 4090 even if the 5090 was 3 times the performance
Thank you for this, I’ll stay with my 4080 super. No sense in $1000 bucks for a software upgrade and 3 frames which is very much likely to be the bigger power draw and not a change in architecture.
I was thinking of upgrading from my 3090 but unsure on getting the 5090 because the power draw is so high, I was thinking of waiting out a potential 5080ti hoping that will get to 20+ gb of vram too and I'll be happy with that.
In the same boat. Plus $2K for a GPU is a ridiculous. Wish they gave the 5080 24GB of VRAM and a 384bit bus. Guess I'll keep my 3090 until the 60 series comes out.
I have a RTX 3090 too no need to upgrade just overclock and under volt i use my 3090 for 3d rendering so i only do this went playing games. Seems the RTX 3090 was a good buy. NVidia are plane greedy mot getting the 5090 unless a see a massive boost for 3d rendering.
Gotcha I've got a 4090.was lucky to get one a few years ago and I think I don't need to upgrade and same with your 4080..probably for another one or two generations?
They are focusing on the ai part now as they mad huge leaps and focus on it in last two years so they focused on pushing that into the video cards dlss frame gen etc vs raw per cuda power
Now I don't feel too bad on spending $750 for a 7900 XTX new without a box back in December 2024 to be fair though I wanted to give AMD a try I'm running to modern builds my other build is a briefcase computer with an Intel CPU 12700 k and a 4060 LP which I will be upgrading when I see the time is right I'm thinking of rtx6060 as it sounds nice
The increases are linear The price increase is 25% from the 4090. So ur getting 8% free performance. Power increase from 4090 is 27.8%. It's never recommended to buy a new card every generation. Unless you love blowing ur money. Most don't need to upgrade, people just feel the need to. That's, not Nvidia's fault.
Not read every comment but you should also take into account that zWormz tests the card in the heaviest area of CP2077 which is in Dogtown from the expansion, which on my 4070Super is 5-15% slower than the rest of the game, PcCentric was not in Dogtown.
İ bought 4080s a month ago and was thinking about selling it to buy 5080 but if performance is not better as about 4090 i am not gonna bother. Gotta wait for the deep dive test when its officially came out.
Guys I wanted to buy 4080s. But then 5080 was introduced lol. But 5080 will cost 25% extra of 4080s in my country for tax reasons. Is 5080 worth it or I should just get 4080s with my budgeted cost?
@@Kratos69-z bro i checked the 5080 performance and its not that good its like 15 to 20% fps increase max by the charts that Nvidia showed. İf you can wait, wait for the full tests its coming soon. But if you want one now and have a decent deal, 4080s is a beast in 1080p and pretty good on 3440x1440p which i am using.
@@olumcul7035 thanks bro for the heads up.. I should get 4080s now as I've a cheap deal on 4080s now and spending 25% more for 5080 isn't worth it anyway for only 15% like performance boost. And if in future when the price of 5080 ever drastically fall I can sell my 4080s and buy 5080 lol.. Tysm for the advice BTW ^^
@Kratos69-z i also want a better gpu like 5080 but i am probably gonna wait either 5080super/ti or outright 6000 series. Have fun with your new beast my man.
Once again, what about people who brought the 2080ti and need to upgrade, or even someone who brought a 3080 and skipped the 40s series, this is a perfect time for them to upgrade, if you have a 4080 and 4090 you don't need to upgrade
Really good point and ur right 5090 is down clocked vs 4090 whereas 5080 is upclocked … but not like 30 vs 40 series from 1200-1300 to 2000+ mhz more like 2000 to 2200
Significant.. The extra ram, faster ram and at 16gb which will let you get more detail the gpu has a faster clock speed and is a good jump. If you're looking to upgrade 3080 to 5080 worth it. Whatever you get get at least 16gb of ram.. Check the stats here for 4080 vs 3080 and add extra 15-20% technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3080-vs-GeForce-RTX-4080-SUPER
I most definitely not be getting 5090 or 6090 for that matter and keep my 4090. unless, of course, something bad happens to my 4090. Because by the looks of it, 6090 will probably be the same over 5090 compared to what 5090 is over 4090.
yes.. 5080 will be 10-18% faster. so if you got 60 fps on 4080 you wlil get 66-72 fps on 5080 or around there based on my estimates and other leaks.. its a boost but not a big one. for example if you had a 4090 and you went to a 5090 you would be going for example from 60 to 85-90 fps not 66-70
I think it's time to get used to this new way of generating frames. It's not going anywhere. It's going to be improved to the point no one can tell the difference. It will be a big thing for those who like to play 4K, 8K, and so on.
Advice for anyone who have GPUs from 3080/4070, RX 7800xt, 4070ti super, rx 7900 to 7900XTX, 4080 and 4090....DO NOT BUY THIS GENS CARDS ESPECIALLY THE TOP END it's a repeat from the 30 and 40 series only more bluntly stupid, ofc if you want to buy its your choice whatnot but Nvidia wont stop and at the end if the day they'll charge a 6050 that's performance are of a 4070ti for $900+ by that time it'll be to late to rebel
Yea im upgrading from my 2080FE to the 5090 master ice from gigabyte. Also got a 9800x3D. complete new build. Expensive yes but i only upgrade every like 6-7 years or some bs
It has been 7 years since I am on a 1080 but with the new needs for performance, I was waiting for the new Nvidia series but, oh gosh I was disappointed : very high price for what seems like a low improvement and Nvidia is over emphasizing the Ai thing, moreover the vast majority of gamers is not interest in using frame generation for a normal usage. So I think Nvidia missed the point there and AMD could strike really hard with that rx 9070 which is really promising with the raw performance akin to a 4080 Super for half the price
From what I've been hearing from the leaks the RX 9070 XT is going to be still weaker than a 7900 XTX and will probably be a little faster than a 7900 XT so I think they're going to be pulling the same performance drop like Nvidia has by the video here because it looks like AMD had no idea what Nvidia was going to do and was completely blindsided at CES that they just didn't know where to price the cards but they also did say that they were not planning on competing with the high-end a year ago
the goal of the video was to show what the raw difference is between 4090 and 5090 and estimated difference between 40 and 50 series. so if you have a 40 or 30 series you can do an estimate what the 50 will do.. looks like 5090 will be a major jump from a 4090.. other 50 series will NOT be a significant change from a 40xx series.. hwoever. if you have a 20 or a 30xx card the 50's are a good upgrade
Am I wrong to think that since there aren't any drivers or real optimizations for the 50 series cards yet, this is a worst case scenario and over the next few months we should see a wider gap established?
There's other variables like CPU and RAM speeds used, and it was estimation from a single test. Not saying it's wrong, but it's wrong to draw definite conclusions from it.
Possibly yes.. The but it was an optimized build of the game for 5090 and best of the best they could show the yotubers at the consumer electronics show..
great video! so should the performace much better on a 5080 without path tracing? its a shame that even a 5090 cant get to 60 fps, how many generations till we get there?
13900k vs the best Nvidia brought to ces remmwbr at 4k it's the cpu that caps out not the gpu. That why cpu tests are always done at 1080 p.. At 4k maximum raytrcing it's all gpu. Maybe one fps difference between a 13900k and 7800x3d
why is the latency nearly 70 on the 5090 and low 50s on the 4090 with DLSS off and does this make up for the 5% difference and give the upper hand to the 4090? Also, why would anyone play a game with out DLSS on when it seems the 5000 series is geared towards enhancing that technology?
On some games dlss doesn't work well in dcs a combat simulator the dlss at quality even is very noticeable.. But that's up to a game a shooter not I use dlss there..
4090 was a huge jump. For. Me.. Remember if you get 4090 or 5090 it will Will be an upgrade. For raw power the 30 to 40 jump was significant.. I'd say even a 4080 super or 5080 would be an upgrade... But those have less vram If. You have saved the $$$ get the 5099 if you have a 3090 it is an. Upgrade for you for sure
Not even considering the factor that zwormz tested the most demanding part in the game on the 4090. The other dude is in the main game somewhere wich is less graphically intensive on the 5090. This means the calculated 33% uplift on raw performance in this game is even quite optimistic!!
@plazma1945 i think you mean the opposite. Zworms should be standing still in demanding area while pc centric driving around. Even if both tests were done in same area performance gain is terrible for 25% more money.
Wait. For test results if you.habe a 2080 or below. 4080 or 5080 will be. Both great upgrades most important thing get a gpu with at least 12-16gb of ram. 16 is best
@T-zz1pe u got it.. Wait for price and value of amd new card or even get 7800xt to save some $ if they go in sale. My godson went from 1660-3060-7800xt he's pretty happy
I’d say wait for actual test results but I think a 5080 only will be a little upgrade like 10-15%. If that’s the case get 5090 or 6080… for you more ram is most important but you already have 16 gen right.. so you’re pretty good there
No disrespect but these tools (graphics cards) should be used more for video editing and ai generation not for a incel in his basement that wants to see more frames in a dumb game, instead businesses and people that want to make money can make use of the new encoders and decoders, so sorry if for the games it's not an upgrade but don't forget about the people that use it for generating an income.
These are “tools” which are designed by gigantic tech companies specifically for running games. There are different cards manufactured from the same companies for professional use too. If you have a problem with that complain to those companies and stop being irritating to people enjoying their hobbies.
@@erendurmus3962 he's talking about how insignificant the upgrade is for GAMING for productivity it's a different story it's a big difference from the 4090 check out TECH NOTICE he actually gives a F about productivity
When you get it message me on discord or here and I'll send you my test map for fps test. 5090 the only upgrade which I can think of based on cuda and fps if you alrwady have a 40xx card
In other words, whats you're saying, is that apart of the amazing technology allowing criminally un-optimized games to run smoothly with more than 200FPS on ultra settings with 4K resolution, and a huge 40% raw upgrade from gen to gen, even not speaking about the amount of Vram, "there's barely any upgrade between the cards" bruh 🤡 You also checked the cards in completely different areas in the game. What were you even doing?
No I'm saying beyon the 4090-5090 all other video cards will get a minimal upgrade to them.. Not the 20-30% but 10-15% at best. As for unoptimized would you rather have a gpu that can run that unoptimized game at 4k or 1080p smoothly. Because you're getting a 1080p picture stretched and ai enhanced instead of a new fast gpu which can deliver that 4k...youre playing the unoptimized game at low res and doing voodoo to stretch and sharpen and restore detail
@@plazma1945 What you're saying isn’t really accurate, but let me break it down. Your main complaint seems to be that NVIDIA is focusing too much on AI. Here’s the thing: the new GPUs are built on the same advanced architecture as their AI processors. You’re not being left behind or getting less advanced hardware - this is the most cutting-edge tech available right now. The idea of running an unoptimized game at native 4K without any tricks is a fantasy. Blaming NVIDIA for this instead of game developers who refuse to optimize their games feels a bit unfair. No GPU, no matter how advanced, is going to magically solve that problem for you. AI is not some cheap gimmick. NVIDIA spent years developing it with supercomputers running non-stop, and the result is insane. Honestly, if Jensen Huang didn’t tell you outright that DLSS and frame generation were powered by AI, you probably wouldn’t even notice. The quality is that good - AI-generated frames often look better than the originals. GPUs are already hitting hard limits: massive power usage, heat issues, and ridiculous sizes. You’re asking for tech that doesn’t even exist yet - maybe in 10 years with quantum computers. Until then, enjoy the incredible hardware we do have. NVIDIA has given us games that look amazing and run incredibly well. Honestly, fighting against AI like this feels pointless when it’s clearly the future.
to run smoothly NO THEY DONT PLUS you get a DEGENERATE IMAGE QUALITY INCLUDING LATENCY...IF THEY OVERSELL ME A PRODUCT WITH FAKE FRAKES WHY I AM NOT ALLOYED TO BUY 70% OF THIS PRODUCT WITH FAKE MONEY....SHAT YA MAOUTH! You sound like a stockdweller....I pray the stock market burns and lose everything...AI is the worst thing happen for gaming. Games 10+ years ago like Arkam knight trilogy- Ryse son of rome-witcher 3 and MORE look WAY BETTER than recent unoptimized TRASHCANS of yours..It has NOTHING TO DO with technology limits, its NVIDIA PROVIDING THE LEVERAGE FOR LAZY MILLENNIAL-X and zooming devs to REMAIN LAZY.
Do you have listening comprehension issues? He calced a 5% generational uplift on the actual architecture/cores. All the other gains are extra CUDA cores from the 4090 to the 5090 (which draw equivalently more power and Nvidia will charge you extra for).
Not really I was able to find facts and analyze data.. Which was posted and if you see I gave fill credit. In text In.video description and I even added original channel name on the video itself. I gave all the credit. Now the fact that no. One else crunched the numbers like I did makes my video unique.
this is so stupid and comparing apples to oranges .. NOONE runs at 28 frames 4k gaming on the 4090 ... so why would you on a 5090???? ... the 5090 with all the new technology it supports gives a massive boost period ... if you cant deal with new technology's keep playing on your playstation 1 because its nice and nostalgic
Correct. I should maybe have added more context.. A lot of the techie folks would get what I was meaning to show.. But yeah just trying to figure out raw performance between cards based on the 5090
Nono this looks correct. 20-40 for. 5090 yes I see those numbers too. 4070 4080 to 5070 and 5080 also looks correct.. But that's the point 15%...if you weren't getting 60 fps you will. Barely get it with new 5070 or 5080
Keep in mind that 5090 was running the new AMD CPU (9800x3d) which could also lead to that 5% improvement of performance.
This is exactly why I just bought the ASrock Taichi 7900 XTX. Has 4090 performance in the games I play (Fortnite, warzone, Valorant, etc) for only $950 discounted on Newegg right now. Will never be using DLSS or ray tracing either. I KNEW the performance was going to be underwhelming without DLSS. I had a feeling about this because SO much of their production and labor costs are going to AI. Which is smart for the future but not good yet.
I'll stick to my 7900xtx, while the aussie 5090 prices are $10k aud. big no thanks from me 😅
@@AlphariousOmegon-d5d are you serious that is insane. Holy crap I thought we had it rough in America lol
@dataanalystbynight4375 hopefully it's just place holder prices until the official release. Nowhere else have have prices on them
The 7900xtx does NOT have 4090 performance in any game..Keep telling urslef you didnt make a bad decision...lol
@rkwjunior2298 no it doesn't, but it also doesn't come with an anti consumer price tag. What a rip off that 4090 is. Tisk tisk
the difference is just the power draw. I've tested CP2077 on a 4090 with a 130% power limit and it scores the exact same fps as a 5090 when DLSS is disabled. All the RT cores, all the GDDR7, extra shaders etc account for nothing.
Heard the same regarding the 4080S vs 5080. 320w vs 360w makes roughly 13% difference, which appears to be the difference in raster performance too.
Exactly, I would never upgrade to a 90 series, you will notice it on you power bill and it’s not that much of a difference.
I'm even happier I bought the 4080super now. Get 70FPS with really good setting in DCS on my Pimax 8kx. I was really considering waiting for the 50 series and am now glad I didnt
Yup unless you wanna spend $$$ on a 5090. I think it's a good choice. Also in dcs DLSs looks pretty bad In vr
@@plazma1945 I am waiting to see if DLSS 4 is usable in DCS. I agree that DLSS 3 is not.
They are dialing up a “Intel risqué” collapse, can’t wait to see videos of 5090s over warring and over bolting themselves and setting ablaze lol
@@plazma1945 Have you downloaded the DLSS fix? It looks amazing on my 8kx no shimmering in quality mode and I get 60-70fps
i also just got a new 4080S, for about €100 less than 5080 MSRP (more like €300-€400 less depending on how much Asus will charge for their 5080 ProArt OC. Seems wrong to buy a new-generation xx80 card and it still only have 16GB vRAM. As a VR user framegen is useless. RT an optional luxury even for the 4090/5090. VR is all about raster-performance. 3090/3090Ti despite generous vRAM can't match the 4080 on performance. 4090 still too pricey (and risky if buying used). 5090 even more so. 5070Ti frankly looks weaker than 4080S.
Maybe i'll regret the 4080S purchase if real-world non-FG/non-RT benchmarks show the 5080 more than 30% ahead...but indications so far show it's only 10-15% ahead.
The weakest generational improvement of any GeForce ever?
Lol I bought a 4090 2 months ago banking on the fact that they wont be able to top a 80% gen on gen leap going from 3090 to 4090, can't be happier about it.
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i was thinking about upgrade from 4090, but after seeing these tests NO WAY. i hope this finally puts nvidia in there place.
I really do not understand whats wrong with people like you, why would you wanna upgrade from your perfectly capable 4090 even if the 5090 was 3 times the performance
4090 😂 is still overkill...im nit upgrading mine. Literally no need unless you have the filthy cash to throw away. Then by all mean have at it.
exactly why i dont buy the highest end card anymore, when the new generation comes out your only option is the highest model again lol.
@@CRF250R1521 You can get 7 to 10 years off a 4090.
you just said you thought about upgrading a 4090......to a carrd the generation right after......nvidia doesnt need to learn a lesson you do lol
Thank you for this, I’ll stay with my 4080 super. No sense in $1000 bucks for a software upgrade and 3 frames which is very much likely to be the bigger power draw and not a change in architecture.
Yup let's wait for 5080 official results but yup
I was thinking of upgrading from my 3090 but unsure on getting the 5090 because the power draw is so high, I was thinking of waiting out a potential 5080ti hoping that will get to 20+ gb of vram too and I'll be happy with that.
The vram is huge deal yes. If u can 30xx to 5090 will be epic
In the same boat. Plus $2K for a GPU is a ridiculous. Wish they gave the 5080 24GB of VRAM and a 384bit bus.
Guess I'll keep my 3090 until the 60 series comes out.
Probably better off with a used 4090. 5080 Ti would tie that costing more.
rather get Amd
I have a RTX 3090 too no need to upgrade just overclock and under volt i use my 3090 for 3d rendering so i only do this went playing games. Seems the RTX 3090 was a good buy. NVidia are plane greedy mot getting the 5090 unless a see a massive boost for 3d rendering.
i have a 4080 and it is excellent.
Gotcha I've got a 4090.was lucky to get one a few years ago and I think I don't need to upgrade and same with your 4080..probably for another one or two generations?
As the scale expands, management costs increase. It's amazing that performance/cuda core still increase when the scale expands.
We won’t know the performance until the software is updated. I still do t think people understand how amazing the 4090 was for raw power.
Yup 4090 was an epic jump even over the 3090
I think Nvidia as a company have become "slime bags"
They are focusing on the ai part now as they mad huge leaps and focus on it in last two years so they focused on pushing that into the video cards dlss frame gen etc vs raw per cuda power
Buy an AMD GPU or Intel's if you think Nvidia is not good enough for you 🤣🤣🤣
@@StavXO naw naw naw i love nvidia.. purpose of video is to give guys idea what the FPS will be between 40x and 50x
@@StavXO Thanks, I have a 6800xt and 7900xt as well.
Now I don't feel too bad on spending $750 for a 7900 XTX new without a box back in December 2024 to be fair though I wanted to give AMD a try I'm running to modern builds my other build is a briefcase computer with an Intel CPU 12700 k and a 4060 LP which I will be upgrading when I see the time is right I'm thinking of rtx6060 as it sounds nice
Yes, upgrading 3080 to 5080. Should be noticeable improvement.
Yup agreed, but if yiu have a 4080 to 5080 just a bit but I'd say not anywhere as muchb
2 year for
30% increase in perfomance
125w increase in power usage
$400 increase in price
4090 still a much better buy even today
Close yes the. 5090 is an upgrade but it may be the only major. Upgrade from the lineup
The increases are linear
The price increase is 25% from the 4090. So ur getting 8% free performance.
Power increase from 4090 is 27.8%.
It's never recommended to buy a new card every generation. Unless you love blowing ur money.
Most don't need to upgrade, people just feel the need to. That's, not Nvidia's fault.
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3090 ti msrp = $1999
4090 msrp = $1600
Perfomance increase 100% (2x) in most games
Not read every comment but you should also take into account that zWormz tests the card in the heaviest area of CP2077 which is in Dogtown from the expansion, which on my 4070Super is 5-15% slower than the rest of the game, PcCentric was not in Dogtown.
And pc centric was NOT walking or driving just panning camera left. Right..
İ bought 4080s a month ago and was thinking about selling it to buy 5080 but if performance is not better as about 4090 i am not gonna bother. Gotta wait for the deep dive test when its officially came out.
Yessir I think. Honestly wait and see I Think you are good with your gpu until 6080
Guys I wanted to buy 4080s. But then 5080 was introduced lol. But 5080 will cost 25% extra of 4080s in my country for tax reasons. Is 5080 worth it or I should just get 4080s with my budgeted cost?
@@Kratos69-z bro i checked the 5080 performance and its not that good its like 15 to 20% fps increase max by the charts that Nvidia showed. İf you can wait, wait for the full tests its coming soon. But if you want one now and have a decent deal, 4080s is a beast in 1080p and pretty good on 3440x1440p which i am using.
@@olumcul7035 thanks bro for the heads up.. I should get 4080s now as I've a cheap deal on 4080s now and spending 25% more for 5080 isn't worth it anyway for only 15% like performance boost. And if in future when the price of 5080 ever drastically fall I can sell my 4080s and buy 5080 lol.. Tysm for the advice BTW ^^
@Kratos69-z i also want a better gpu like 5080 but i am probably gonna wait either 5080super/ti or outright 6000 series. Have fun with your new beast my man.
Once again, what about people who brought the 2080ti and need to upgrade, or even someone who brought a 3080 and skipped the 40s series, this is a perfect time for them to upgrade, if you have a 4080 and 4090 you don't need to upgrade
Amen brother.. I Mean maybe there is some. Magic which we will see in 50 series but I think we got it
you need to control for frequency on the cores to get the increase in instruction per clock on cuda cores
Really good point and ur right 5090 is down clocked vs 4090 whereas 5080 is upclocked … but not like 30 vs 40 series from 1200-1300 to 2000+ mhz more like 2000 to 2200
This is still not apples to apples as 5090 may handle RTX better than 4090 which would mean that simple raster performance is even less different.
Yup that's why I tried to boil it down to cuda core per fps as my basic number and then I can expand that stat to other cards
What would be the difference in stepping up from a 3080 10g to a 5080 be ?
Significant.. The extra ram, faster ram and at 16gb which will let you get more detail the gpu has a faster clock speed and is a good jump. If you're looking to upgrade 3080 to 5080 worth it. Whatever you get get at least 16gb of ram.. Check the stats here for 4080 vs 3080 and add extra 15-20% technical.city/en/video/GeForce-RTX-3080-vs-GeForce-RTX-4080-SUPER
I most definitely not be getting 5090 or 6090 for that matter and keep my 4090. unless, of course, something bad happens to my 4090.
Because by the looks of it, 6090 will probably be the same over 5090 compared to what 5090 is over 4090.
Keep the card clean make sure it has good airflow
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so is the 5080 even better than the 4080 super when it comes to raw performance and no dlss bs?
yes.. 5080 will be 10-18% faster. so if you got 60 fps on 4080 you wlil get 66-72 fps on 5080 or around there based on my estimates and other leaks.. its a boost but not a big one. for example if you had a 4090 and you went to a 5090 you would be going for example from 60 to 85-90 fps not 66-70
I think it's time to get used to this new way of generating frames. It's not going anywhere. It's going to be improved to the point no one can tell the difference. It will be a big thing for those who like to play 4K, 8K, and so on.
Yes ! however I actually tried playing 8k call of duty, dlss doesn’t support any over 4K yet
@@plazma1945 I feel you. Soon though, I hope.
@@Marcin79W haha we don't need 8k
it's estimated the human eye sees in 16k-equivalent.
Advice for anyone who have GPUs from 3080/4070, RX 7800xt, 4070ti super, rx 7900 to 7900XTX, 4080 and 4090....DO NOT BUY THIS GENS CARDS ESPECIALLY THE TOP END it's a repeat from the 30 and 40 series only more bluntly stupid, ofc if you want to buy its your choice whatnot but Nvidia wont stop and at the end if the day they'll charge a 6050 that's performance are of a 4070ti for $900+ by that time it'll be to late to rebel
Yea im upgrading from my 2080FE to the 5090 master ice from gigabyte. Also got a 9800x3D. complete new build. Expensive yes but i only upgrade every like 6-7 years or some bs
perfect upgrade.. 100% worth it
Sitting on 1080ti, whould like to upgrade to 5090, cause 4090 like the same or bigger price now
So if you're. Gonna spend $ 5090 is the only real upgrade from 40xx series whole lineup. If. Ur. Gonna $$$$ spend gonfor 5090
It has been 7 years since I am on a 1080 but with the new needs for performance, I was waiting for the new Nvidia series but, oh gosh I was disappointed : very high price for what seems like a low improvement and Nvidia is over emphasizing the Ai thing, moreover the vast majority of gamers is not interest in using frame generation for a normal usage.
So I think Nvidia missed the point there and AMD could strike really hard with that rx 9070 which is really promising with the raw performance akin to a 4080 Super for half the price
Yup Iff my guess tests are accurate yess.. I'm actually really hoping for that amd 9070
From what I've been hearing from the leaks the RX 9070 XT is going to be still weaker than a 7900 XTX and will probably be a little faster than a 7900 XT so I think they're going to be pulling the same performance drop like Nvidia has by the video here because it looks like AMD had no idea what Nvidia was going to do and was completely blindsided at CES that they just didn't know where to price the cards but they also did say that they were not planning on competing with the high-end a year ago
How does this card perform in DCS?
I'm not interested in Cyberpunk game at all, it was bugfest game as far as I know.
the goal of the video was to show what the raw difference is between 4090 and 5090 and estimated difference between 40 and 50 series. so if you have a 40 or 30 series you can do an estimate what the 50 will do.. looks like 5090 will be a major jump from a 4090.. other 50 series will NOT be a significant change from a 40xx series.. hwoever. if you have a 20 or a 30xx card the 50's are a good upgrade
Am I wrong to think that since there aren't any drivers or real optimizations for the 50 series cards yet, this is a worst case scenario and over the next few months we should see a wider gap established?
Most likely
There's other variables like CPU and RAM speeds used, and it was estimation from a single test. Not saying it's wrong, but it's wrong to draw definite conclusions from it.
Possibly yes.. The but it was an optimized build of the game for 5090 and best of the best they could show the yotubers at the consumer electronics show..
Just an estimate correct Itvwas more for me to decide how high to have my expectations
great video! so should the performace much better on a 5080 without path tracing? its a shame that even a 5090 cant get to 60 fps, how many generations till we get there?
Without path tracing I think. It can do it.... Maybe with raytracing offf
Are both sets of test done on completely same hardware bar the GPU?
13900k vs the best Nvidia brought to ces remmwbr at 4k it's the cpu that caps out not the gpu. That why cpu tests are always done at 1080 p.. At 4k maximum raytrcing it's all gpu. Maybe one fps difference between a 13900k and 7800x3d
why is the latency nearly 70 on the 5090 and low 50s on the 4090 with DLSS off and does this make up for the 5% difference and give the upper hand to the 4090? Also, why would anyone play a game with out DLSS on when it seems the 5000 series is geared towards enhancing that technology?
On some games dlss doesn't work well in dcs a combat simulator the dlss at quality even is very noticeable.. But that's up to a game a shooter not I use dlss there..
That’s depressing. I’ve got a 3090 and for the sake of VR performance I need an upgrade. 😫
What games do you play in VR?
@ mostly flight sims.
4090 was a huge jump. For. Me.. Remember if you get 4090 or 5090 it will Will be an upgrade.
For raw power the 30 to 40 jump was significant.. I'd say even a 4080 super or 5080 would be an upgrade... But those have less vram
If. You have saved the $$$ get the 5099 if you have a 3090 it is an. Upgrade for you for sure
Not even considering the factor that zwormz tested the most demanding part in the game on the 4090. The other dude is in the main game somewhere wich is less graphically intensive on the 5090. This means the calculated 33% uplift on raw performance in this game is even quite optimistic!!
And only for the 5090 how well will the 5080 do?
Zworms was testing the 4090 in the most demanding area of the game....this is not a fair test the performance is actually LESS
And pc central character was standing still and he was panning around only. Soo I'd say it's fair
@plazma1945 i think you mean the opposite. Zworms should be standing still in demanding area while pc centric driving around. Even if both tests were done in same area performance gain is terrible for 25% more money.
Would you get a 5080 or a 4090
If I have nothing 5090
If I have $ for 4090 I have $ for 5090
How much faster will 4090 be over a 5080
My guesstmate based on numbers 4090 should be about 20-25% faster than a 5080 without dlss etc
Let's say you get 60 fps on 5080..4090 should still give you 70-75 fps.
Or the other way if you got 60 fps on a 4090..5080 should be around 40-45 fps
Hi, should I wait for 50 series or get a 4080 super instead?
Wait. For test results if you.habe a 2080 or below. 4080 or 5080 will be. Both great upgrades most important thing get a gpu with at least 12-16gb of ram. 16 is best
@ I have a 1660TI 6GB and I am only gonna utilise 1440p.
@T-zz1pe 5090 results got posted.. Maybe wait.. Get amd 9070? Wait for tests
@@plazma1945 yeah, I just saw and it doesn’t seem much impressive..
It isn’t a big jump as the 3090 to 4090 😀
@T-zz1pe u got it.. Wait for price and value of amd new card or even get 7800xt to save some $ if they go in sale. My godson went from 1660-3060-7800xt he's pretty happy
I have a pny 4080 what is the best upgrade for me ?
I’d say wait for actual test results but I think a 5080 only will be a little upgrade like 10-15%. If that’s the case get 5090 or 6080… for you more ram is most important but you already have 16 gen right.. so you’re pretty good there
@plazma1945 i need more vram for vr and the last AAA game like Indiana jones
30% isn’t barely. If someone told you your taxes are going up by 30% you wouldn’t call that a small increase.
No no 5090 30% is great I'm. Not saying 5090 is bad.. I'm saying if the pattern is the same the improvement on the 5080?5070?5070ti will be very small
I'm good with my Suprim 4090
👆💪👍
No disrespect but these tools (graphics cards) should be used more for video editing and ai generation not for a incel in his basement that wants to see more frames in a dumb game, instead businesses and people that want to make money can make use of the new encoders and decoders, so sorry if for the games it's not an upgrade but don't forget about the people that use it for generating an income.
None what so ever see the video games we are playing or I am on the channel. Team.Based combat flight simulation
These are “tools” which are designed by gigantic tech companies specifically for running games. There are different cards manufactured from the same companies for professional use too. If you have a problem with that complain to those companies and stop being irritating to people enjoying their hobbies.
@@erendurmus3962 huh? 5090 is listed still as a gaming card 😉 if it wasn't for gaming there would be no fps for video games shown. Right...
@@erendurmus3962 he's talking about how insignificant the upgrade is for GAMING for productivity it's a different story it's a big difference from the 4090 check out TECH NOTICE he actually gives a F about productivity
pre-ordered 5090
When you get it message me on discord or here and I'll send you my test map for fps test. 5090 the only upgrade which I can think of based on cuda and fps if you alrwady have a 40xx card
Looks like a solid 40% over the 4090 is that what you have now?
Where?
Where did you preorder it? No one is selling it, Einstein
@Raznak he has special powers
Which is why “ai frames” that look and feel like dog 💩 lmao
Agreed you can't make ai frames ever look as sharp and accurate as real frames anyone who tells you different is a liar
I just bought a 4090. Im skipping this 5090 bs
Маке sure the fans keep spinning and don't overheat it keep the. Gpu cool
@ Max temps at 4k max never go over 60c lol 😂 fans at 37%
In other words, whats you're saying, is that apart of the amazing technology allowing criminally un-optimized games to run smoothly with more than 200FPS on ultra settings with 4K resolution, and a huge 40% raw upgrade from gen to gen, even not speaking about the amount of Vram, "there's barely any upgrade between the cards" bruh 🤡
You also checked the cards in completely different areas in the game. What were you even doing?
No I'm saying beyon the 4090-5090 all other video cards will get a minimal upgrade to them.. Not the 20-30% but 10-15% at best. As for unoptimized would you rather have a gpu that can run that unoptimized game at 4k or 1080p smoothly. Because you're getting a 1080p picture stretched and ai enhanced instead of a new fast gpu which can deliver that 4k...youre playing the unoptimized game at low res and doing voodoo to stretch and sharpen and restore detail
@@plazma1945 What you're saying isn’t really accurate, but let me break it down.
Your main complaint seems to be that NVIDIA is focusing too much on AI. Here’s the thing: the new GPUs are built on the same advanced architecture as their AI processors. You’re not being left behind or getting less advanced hardware - this is the most cutting-edge tech available right now.
The idea of running an unoptimized game at native 4K without any tricks is a fantasy. Blaming NVIDIA for this instead of game developers who refuse to optimize their games feels a bit unfair. No GPU, no matter how advanced, is going to magically solve that problem for you.
AI is not some cheap gimmick. NVIDIA spent years developing it with supercomputers running non-stop, and the result is insane. Honestly, if Jensen Huang didn’t tell you outright that DLSS and frame generation were powered by AI, you probably wouldn’t even notice. The quality is that good - AI-generated frames often look better than the originals.
GPUs are already hitting hard limits: massive power usage, heat issues, and ridiculous sizes. You’re asking for tech that doesn’t even exist yet - maybe in 10 years with quantum computers. Until then, enjoy the incredible hardware we do have. NVIDIA has given us games that look amazing and run incredibly well. Honestly, fighting against AI like this feels pointless when it’s clearly the future.
to run smoothly NO THEY DONT PLUS you get a DEGENERATE IMAGE QUALITY INCLUDING LATENCY...IF THEY OVERSELL ME A PRODUCT WITH FAKE FRAKES WHY I AM NOT ALLOYED TO BUY 70% OF THIS PRODUCT WITH FAKE MONEY....SHAT YA MAOUTH! You sound like a stockdweller....I pray the stock market burns and lose everything...AI is the worst thing happen for gaming. Games 10+ years ago like Arkam knight trilogy- Ryse son of rome-witcher 3 and MORE look WAY BETTER than recent unoptimized TRASHCANS of yours..It has NOTHING TO DO with technology limits, its NVIDIA PROVIDING THE LEVERAGE FOR LAZY MILLENNIAL-X and zooming devs to REMAIN LAZY.
Do you have listening comprehension issues? He calced a 5% generational uplift on the actual architecture/cores. All the other gains are extra CUDA cores from the 4090 to the 5090 (which draw equivalently more power and Nvidia will charge you extra for).
Glazing that AI meat 😂
this is click bait for sure using other peoples videos
Not really I was able to find facts and analyze data.. Which was posted and if you see I gave fill credit. In text In.video description and I even added original channel name on the video itself. I gave all the credit. Now the fact that no. One else crunched the numbers like I did makes my video unique.
5 YEARS OLD game... still bad gpus..
I know right.
Yes or the game is just done lazy and badly optimized ;) who knows.
@@plazma1945 in history new gpu can game 3 to 5 years old games with very high fps... today gpu released still can not game at high fps old games...
this is so stupid and comparing apples to oranges .. NOONE runs at 28 frames 4k gaming on the 4090 ... so why would you on a 5090???? ... the 5090 with all the new technology it supports gives a massive boost period ... if you cant deal with new technology's keep playing on your playstation 1 because its nice and nostalgic
LOL my dude he's testing raw performance it's okay I understand you're excited about your single player games with a wet fantasy of high frame rate
Correct. I should maybe have added more context.. A lot of the techie folks would get what I was meaning to show.. But yeah just trying to figure out raw performance between cards based on the 5090
4080 to 5080 - 15% up
4070 to 5070 - 15 to 19%
4090 to 5090 - 20 to 40%
It all depends on games. This is real performance data got from korean leaker.
@@mikeree8543 Yes but thats most likely with all the AI stuff turned on.
3090ti - 4090 is 75% uplift
@@MuffDiver71 This is without AI. We're talking about raw performance.
Yes
Nono this looks correct. 20-40 for. 5090 yes I see those numbers too. 4070 4080 to 5070 and 5080 also looks correct.. But that's the point 15%...if you weren't getting 60 fps you will. Barely get it with new 5070 or 5080