At Wimbledon, many years ago, they have a tent where you can have your service timed, with 5 attempts, but you have to use their racquet ( a slazenger, as used by Tim Henman). It's a crap racquet, with poor stringing, so I only got up to 97mph
I was wondering the same. I'm not part of the bashing game as much as I am the reality game. The majority of the "15 year" group is foot faulting, missing the service box by miles, has the form of someone who started 6 months ago, etc... I think they should probably just say "I've been playing 15 years, but I only play about 10 times a year."
Learning point: Before a player even hits a warm up serve it’s easy to predict who has a chance to break 80 mph. Those who hold a Continental grip have a chance. The more the grip moves towards a Semi-western forehand grip the lower the chance of them breaking 80 mph. One guy broke this predictive rule, Gerry at 2:30. He basically had the physicality to break the rule, barely. In a alternate universe the same guy having learned a proper service technique easily breaks a 100 mph. Actually this video illustrates the sad state of knowledge of proper tennis technique in the rec tennis community. Only a few players knew to use a Continental grip when serving. It would be like coming across a pickup basketball game at a park where 8 of the 10 players were shooting Two handed set shots from chest height (newbie technique) and only 2 shot jump shots with a one handed release, the technique a pro player would use. The only time you might see this type of basketball game in reality is if you were watching very young elementary school kids and not adults at a park. In basketball a basic shooting technique (one handed release) is almost universally employed at the rec level but in tennis a equivalent basic technique (Continental service grip) is rarely found and doesn’t become employed almost universally until you reach the USTA 4.5 level. A level that includes some college players.
I agree. A few had proper grips and decent body mechanics. But, I saw very little in way of even the beginning of a proper serve from most of them. It's a shame really. And, it says a lot about how tennis clinics are failing players. Most clinics don't practice serves or serve returns routinely. The excuse is that you can practice those things on your own. It's just endless groundstrokes, volleys, and the occasional overhead. Many players don't want to practice serves or serve returns in a general hitting clinic as they feel it's a waste of time. The problem is that improper serve technique lead to inconsistent and low rated serves. It's the start every point, and return of serve always follows a legal serve. You can win a point with no volley, overhead, one groundstroke or no groundstrokes. I don't go to clinics anymore. I hit with people, play matches, and have the occasional private lesson. Saves money and you hit a lot of balls.
I serve with a slightly more rotated towards continental forehand grip on my flat serve and hit 90mph np. Swingvision calls it ~75 but if you count the frames and do the math it's actually around 90mph as it traverses the whole court. (30 frames at 60fps from baseline to other guy's service line is 90mph for reference) Off the strings, judging from the serves shown here, I'm easily over 100mph with my "incorrect" grip. ua-cam.com/video/ya-YKcL9PRs/v-deo.html
"In a alternate universe the same guy having learned a proper service technique easily breaks a 100 mph. " Pretty sure anyone with a proper service technique will hit a good serve..
Fun challenge. I hope those players improve by learning the foundations of a good serve eg continental grip, pronation etc . A good coaching lesson will work wonders 🎾🤞🏼
The biggest thing in a serve is the elevation of the contact point... most of these players were hitting up or across the ball at a very low contact point, no way that form will get them very far
Great video, highly representative of rec level serving. Even with a continental grip, getting the right hesitation in the power position, throwing arm straight up and hitting in the right spot fully extended is very difficult for most.
good for them for playing tennis and being excited enough to show off their game on camera. We need more gen pop people playing the sport. I'm tired of my local courts being used for that god awful pickleball.
@@Winners-Only playing a game with those practice rackets that have a really small head size. would be really funny to see a match using that by both players
It's funny how most people overestimated their serve speed...It often feels faster than it really is, and until you have it measured it's tough to know your serve speed.
I got the same radar gun as in the video. If you don't have a radar gun, when you make a flat serve and if the ball bounce in the serve box and then hit the back wall, then it will be a good serve. if it bounce twice then it will be below 80Mph.
Just discovered your channel. Keep it up guys. Great content. I think that many of them said they had been playing for 15 years because they were mostly in their mid 20s and probably tried tennis for the first time around 10 years old.
This sounds like a lot of fun to try! I've been playing for about 16 years but haven't had the opportunity to measure my serve speed in a long time. My serve motion is decent for my level but doesn't usually have the power/speed to consistently do damage with it. I think in the best case scenario I would barely get 90 since I've hit that speed before when it got measured, but I'm not sure I would reach 100 (especially in only 2 attempts and without it going out).
I remember when I first started and thought I was bombing serves, only to go to the citi open and serve at one of their serve speed trackers.. and fail. Hitting it as hard as I could, and nowhere near in, I got to 79. 3 years later went back and was still not there at the 94-98 range. I was pretty frustrated. Now, I think I'm there, but if it's one thing I've learned, it's don't overestimate how good you are; trade the estimation for the results.
Where was this my senior year in high school? Fastest serve I've hit was 96 so I would have at least cleared the 80 mph mark at that time. Don't think I could have hit a hundred though because the serve hit at 96 mph really did feel the hardest I've ever hit (and I don't think I got it in when it was measured either). It's been several years since I've picked up a racket though so now I'm not even sure I could clear 80 unless I'm given enough time to build my game back up. I'm sure I could get the $10 prize though. I do agree with what was said below that if you don't see someone hit with a continental grip and get the racket on edge then it's unlikely they would be able to come close with an eastern grip.
Omg, just 1 person with a decent serve motion. Just with the correct grip and pronation added to their serve motion, they should all go above 80 mph. As a tennis coach, I am dumbfounded that no one taught them the basics...
There's a really weird edit at 1:37 where it cuts to a completely different guy serving to an empty court and then back to the original guy to make it seem like he hit that serve. What?
I play highschool tennis and I cannot hit a good flat serve with the continental grip. But I can hit a good slice serve and pretty good flat serve with the wrong technique. When I try to hit a flat serve with a continental grip it hurts my wrist and I can’t get a lot of power. I think it’s because I’m not pronating right but I’ve have yet to find a video or coach that can correct it.
Try practicing by spiking the ball down against the court until you get a hang the contact point. Then try it against the fence. Then try it at the service line (aim for the baseline). Then try it from the baseline over the net.
Hey bro? Come to city of orange CA. Am a self taught 3 and helf years. And I am suffering with bipolar depression. I think I have the confidence to ace you and also a big returned. I hoped to meet you guys one day in orange El Camino real park.
Placing the radar on the service line is an instant 5-10mph more. Serve speeds are measured as the ball travels over the netline. Another interesting data is that this radar will measure higher speeds on balls travelling closer to it, so given where it’s placed, everyone should be aiming at a spot between the T and the middle of the service box, for a chance of a higher reading. Balls also make a difference, fresh balls can get you up to 10mph more. Source: I have access to one of these.
The pros serves are not 120 over the service line. That’s off the racquet. Same in baseball. It’s 99 out of the hand. If anything these guys are losing 5 miles per hour +. If I’m wrong, please point me to where I can find out how this is so. Thanks.
@@fuzziepandas I stand corrected, in pro tennis it is indeed measured as it leaves the racquet. But this device measures speed as the ball passes it by.
then reality will smack you in the face....unless you play 5 days a week plus you do physical training/of course you gotta have a really sound ,grooved in technique/you will never go above 105...ever😀
Damn, this video made me feel a lot better about my serve.
🤣
same lolol
Yeah😆😆
Yea, I was about to say. My serve feels pretty good now.
At Wimbledon, many years ago, they have a tent where you can have your service timed, with 5 attempts, but you have to use their racquet ( a slazenger, as used by Tim Henman). It's a crap racquet, with poor stringing, so I only got up to 97mph
This is the reality of street-level rec tennis... full props to all the guys who agreed to be on camera for it!
2:16 that form bro 💀✨💅
Lolll it’s so bad💀
LOL, im laughing so hard 😂
bro thought he can serve 90 lol
“I been playing tennis for 15 years”. Proceeds to throw up a frying pan serve motion 😂
5:55 15 years for that serve is a crime
As as coach it hurts to see people serve with an eastern grip😂
Am 15yo not even a coach but still find this very disturbing
It just says they never took classes :shrug: (or if they did they didn't learn serve)
@@MrTresto it's not discord
I see this also at a club level where they do take group lessons and drills.
That’s what I did up until acouple month ago. It’s been a rough change but now I’m getting more consistent
How y’all been playing 15 years with no serve motion
Fr
It's just a game
@@rsmith02 a player should show improvement if they have been playing for that long
I was wondering the same. I'm not part of the bashing game as much as I am the reality game. The majority of the "15 year" group is foot faulting, missing the service box by miles, has the form of someone who started 6 months ago, etc...
I think they should probably just say "I've been playing 15 years, but I only play about 10 times a year."
Time doesn't mean anything if you don't take it seriously :)
Wow, there was quite the tennis boom 15 years ago, apparently.
lol
Learning point: Before a player even hits a warm up serve it’s easy to predict who has a chance to break 80 mph. Those who hold a Continental grip have a chance. The more the grip moves towards a Semi-western forehand grip the lower the chance of them breaking 80 mph. One guy broke this predictive rule, Gerry at 2:30. He basically had the physicality to break the rule, barely. In a alternate universe the same guy having learned a proper service technique easily breaks a 100 mph.
Actually this video illustrates the sad state of knowledge of proper tennis technique in the rec tennis community. Only a few players knew to use a Continental grip when serving. It would be like coming across a pickup basketball game at a park where 8 of the 10 players were shooting Two handed set shots from chest height (newbie technique) and only 2 shot jump shots with a one handed release, the technique a pro player would use. The only time you might see this type of basketball game in reality is if you were watching very young elementary school kids and not adults at a park. In basketball a basic shooting technique (one handed release) is almost universally employed at the rec level but in tennis a equivalent basic technique (Continental service grip) is rarely found and doesn’t become employed almost universally until you reach the USTA 4.5 level. A level that includes some college players.
I agree. A few had proper grips and decent body mechanics. But, I saw very little in way of even the beginning of a proper serve from most of them. It's a shame really. And, it says a lot about how tennis clinics are failing players. Most clinics don't practice serves or serve returns routinely. The excuse is that you can practice those things on your own. It's just endless groundstrokes, volleys, and the occasional overhead. Many players don't want to practice serves or serve returns in a general hitting clinic as they feel it's a waste of time. The problem is that improper serve technique lead to inconsistent and low rated serves. It's the start every point, and return of serve always follows a legal serve. You can win a point with no volley, overhead, one groundstroke or no groundstrokes. I don't go to clinics anymore. I hit with people, play matches, and have the occasional private lesson. Saves money and you hit a lot of balls.
I serve with a slightly more rotated towards continental forehand grip on my flat serve and hit 90mph np.
Swingvision calls it ~75 but if you count the frames and do the math it's actually around 90mph as it traverses the whole court. (30 frames at 60fps from baseline to other guy's service line is 90mph for reference)
Off the strings, judging from the serves shown here, I'm easily over 100mph with my "incorrect" grip.
ua-cam.com/video/ya-YKcL9PRs/v-deo.html
"In a alternate universe the same guy having learned a proper service technique easily breaks a 100 mph. "
Pretty sure anyone with a proper service technique will hit a good serve..
I liked the guy at 1:55 who bent his knees for the serve toss. Massive toss power!!
grip and technique aside, not a single person (besides Cedric) used their legs…
Fun challenge. I hope those players improve by learning the foundations of a good serve eg continental grip, pronation etc . A good coaching lesson will work wonders 🎾🤞🏼
Yoooo! Kevin's go-to serve is a reverse slice 🔥
Haha I'm loving this man. Great vid, love that you're spreading the wealth!! The vibes are priceless
The biggest thing in a serve is the elevation of the contact point... most of these players were hitting up or across the ball at a very low contact point, no way that form will get them very far
300 years in experience combined
Great video, highly representative of rec level serving. Even with a continental grip, getting the right hesitation in the power position, throwing arm straight up and hitting in the right spot fully extended is very difficult for most.
good for them for playing tennis and being excited enough to show off their game on camera. We need more gen pop people playing the sport. I'm tired of my local courts being used for that god awful pickleball.
I don't know much about tennis, but "The speed is there".
i can see this channel get 100k subs some time this year or next. keep it up
thanks for the kind words! do you have any video ideas for us?
@@Winners-Only playing a game with those practice rackets that have a really small head size. would be really funny to see a match using that by both players
Keep up the good content fellas
When you see people with the pancake grip i knew instantly it wouldnt reach 100mph as theres no rotational speed, just forward momentum in the arm
fr fr people who pancake either are just starting out, or they just dont know how to do continental
I think in some rare cases with a pancake serve u could reach 100 mph but it would definitely mess up ur muscles
It's funny how most people overestimated their serve speed...It often feels faster than it really is, and until you have it measured it's tough to know your serve speed.
This is why I got a radar gun. Now I know my average first serve is between 90-105
I got the same radar gun as in the video. If you don't have a radar gun, when you make a flat serve and if the ball bounce in the serve box and then hit the back wall, then it will be a good serve. if it bounce twice then it will be below 80Mph.
hi, can i know what is the product name for the speed meter? would be interested to get one. thanks
Love this content, come thru to Milwaukee.
Hi guys! Nice video, congrats! What device do u guys use for measuring??
Love you guys content
Just discovered your channel. Keep it up guys. Great content. I think that many of them said they had been playing for 15 years because they were mostly in their mid 20s and probably tried tennis for the first time around 10 years old.
Great video. What app are you using for the speed gun? Thanks. AdamM
sedrick has great form
POV: Rodrick tries this challenge…
That unnecessary leg load killed me
The speed was there
15 years of wii tennis
they deserve more money
This sounds like a lot of fun to try!
I've been playing for about 16 years but haven't had the opportunity to measure my serve speed in a long time.
My serve motion is decent for my level but doesn't usually have the power/speed to consistently do damage with it.
I think in the best case scenario I would barely get 90 since I've hit that speed before when it got measured, but I'm not sure I would reach 100 (especially in only 2 attempts and without it going out).
what grip was that
my coach always told me that the face of the racket should NEVER face towards the sky while lifting it
this hurt my eyes
Ok, what speed thing did you use to measure?!
Been trying to find a good one
And in this week's episode of expectation vs reality...
I remember when I first started and thought I was bombing serves, only to go to the citi open and serve at one of their serve speed trackers.. and fail. Hitting it as hard as I could, and nowhere near in, I got to 79. 3 years later went back and was still not there at the 94-98 range. I was pretty frustrated. Now, I think I'm there, but if it's one thing I've learned, it's don't overestimate how good you are; trade the estimation for the results.
How Did u measure ? Where did u buy it the machine ?
its weird how different speed is calibrated on different machines. Swingvision would have these serves at way lower MPHs
Yeah I agree. I think SwingVision is registering too low
@@bullettooth7211 maybe but the numbers recorded here seem far too high. I think swingvision takes more of an average speed vs instantaneous speed
yeah - if some of these were 97/98 then I'm serving 120s 😀
kevin' form 💀💀💀
yeah someone needs to correct him
Those knee bends are about as useful as doing a pirouette as you walk up to the baseline.
mannn i lol'd, thinking he was about to hit 90 when playing for a couple of months
How do u feel about your serve?
- Im a lefty
Anyone know what device is used for measuring the speed? Found a few that look similar, but not sure which!
nah bro 2:10 WTF ARE THOSE SERVES LMAO
Gotta come to Wilmington, NC… might go broke though lol
100mph is quite hard to reach for the most of rec players
Where was this my senior year in high school? Fastest serve I've hit was 96 so I would have at least cleared the 80 mph mark at that time. Don't think I could have hit a hundred though because the serve hit at 96 mph really did feel the hardest I've ever hit (and I don't think I got it in when it was measured either). It's been several years since I've picked up a racket though so now I'm not even sure I could clear 80 unless I'm given enough time to build my game back up. I'm sure I could get the $10 prize though. I do agree with what was said below that if you don't see someone hit with a continental grip and get the racket on edge then it's unlikely they would be able to come close with an eastern grip.
half these serves gave me a heart attack
Omg, just 1 person with a decent serve motion. Just with the correct grip and pronation added to their serve motion, they should all go above 80 mph. As a tennis coach, I am dumbfounded that no one taught them the basics...
this made me feel wayyyy better about my serve mechanics.
fuck that was hard to watch at times. good lord. zero fundamentals on some of those.
No one cares. They’re not hurting anyone. Be a little less negative
no way most of these guys play for ten, 15 years with this kind of serve.
Where did you get the radar and how much did it cost
Great content, how much for 120mph? :)
Come to Massachusetts I need to pay some bills!
This is Austin High. Do you announce when you guys do this? I’d like to come out
Appreciate the video! But maybe next time don’t stand exactly where you block the view of the ball landing in the box 😂
Come to Cincinnati! I’m going to start making tennis content soon. We should collab! Love your videos
Great video by the way all Babolat rackets 🤔no Wilson ??😂 good job guys
Evan had Wilson burn or clash I think
It's wild how people play for 15 years and serve with a low toss and a semi western grip.
Bruh I go to that school I play on those courts everyday how did I not see you guys
i wanna try this, i feel like i have a bullet first serve
There's a really weird edit at 1:37 where it cuts to a completely different guy serving to an empty court and then back to the original guy to make it seem like he hit that serve. What?
imagine nick kygrios coming to try this challenge.
Omg
now all of a suden I feel like my serve is like 90-100 mph
I play highschool tennis and I cannot hit a good flat serve with the continental grip. But I can hit a good slice serve and pretty good flat serve with the wrong technique. When I try to hit a flat serve with a continental grip it hurts my wrist and I can’t get a lot of power. I think it’s because I’m not pronating right but I’ve have yet to find a video or coach that can correct it.
You have to keep your wrist loose and throw the racquet at the ball
Try practicing by spiking the ball down against the court until you get a hang the contact point. Then try it against the fence. Then try it at the service line (aim for the baseline). Then try it from the baseline over the net.
@@ammoniumammonide how should my trophy position look or like my draw back for my serve, should my move wrist at all
@@stel104 ua-cam.com/video/S10nJN2Y1og/v-deo.html - about the most detailed and accurate explanation you'll find (don't show this to your opponent)
@@SuperG11123 thanks brother
Are you guys counting foot fault too?
I count 3 with 15 years…wow 😂
Hey bro? Come to city of orange CA. Am a self taught 3 and helf years. And I am suffering with bipolar depression. I think I have the confidence to ace you and also a big returned. I hoped to meet you guys one day in orange El Camino real park.
WOT is up!
Cool video idea! Btw which city is this court in?
Looks like Austin High School?
I'd honestly like to know how fast my first serve is
why can't this happen at my local park. Easiest $100 of my life.
Come to Wichita Kansas , I think I can hit about 115 serve
I’ve got a question, I’m 11 and I serve at 70 mph, is that good for my age, tell me what you think
Where’d you get this radar gun?
how i wish i was there haha would been easiest 100 bucks of my life
Placing the radar on the service line is an instant 5-10mph more. Serve speeds are measured as the ball travels over the netline. Another interesting data is that this radar will measure higher speeds on balls travelling closer to it, so given where it’s placed, everyone should be aiming at a spot between the T and the middle of the service box, for a chance of a higher reading. Balls also make a difference, fresh balls can get you up to 10mph more. Source: I have access to one of these.
what kind of device is this ?
The pros serves are not 120 over the service line. That’s off the racquet. Same in baseball. It’s 99 out of the hand. If anything these guys are losing 5 miles per hour +. If I’m wrong, please point me to where I can find out how this is so. Thanks.
you are incorrect. Pro tennis they take the speed off the racket.
@@fuzziepandas I stand corrected, in pro tennis it is indeed measured as it leaves the racquet. But this device measures speed as the ball passes it by.
@@msalvs exactly so the closer the machine is to you the more accurate it is...
Very good video
Come to Long Island 😈
How much is the radar?
If i had played for 15 yrs i would be in the atp
what speed gun is that
How about if I serve 140 mph?
All of these guys estimating their serves 20 mph faster than reality.
If only I was there, I’d be takin the $100
Claro que sí campeón
but is the speed there?????
why ae they all using forehand grip to serve
i am i playing 20 years serving over 100 mph on first and 2nd serves for two hours when i play sets
Bro cmon! I could have gotten that 100 easy… wish i was there 😢
🔥 💰
I can only serve 90ish at most
Damn. You couldn't find like a teaching pro wandering around or something to hit a 100mph serve? I thought at least one guy would do it. LOL.
Watch part 2!
Frying pan servers... all of you would add 20mph easily just by switching to the continental grip, I guarandamntee it.
Has everyone played for 15 years???
Did you look for every 2.5-3.0 in the vicinity or what?
How much does it cost to get a speed thing? I'm told my first is around 120
People who play tennis for 10+ years and STILL use eastern grip 🤯 !!
Bring this to Portland love the content I’ll show you what 120+ looks like
then reality will smack you in the face....unless you play 5 days a week plus you do physical training/of course you gotta have a really sound ,grooved in technique/you will never go above 105...ever😀
why don't these type of vids ever happen at courts near me. id make absolute BANK
They're all using the wrong grip. The correct grip is continental.
I dont understand how they say they have played for so long and suck so much😂
A few people have to flatten it out. Too much slice on some of those
It's not about flattening it out.
They don't even have the most basic foundation of the correct motion. (Besides one guy)