Great to see from the front one of our favourite trips to the start of the Bluebell Railway. We had a really good couple of days there staying at a bnb in Horsted Keynes, enjoying the steam and the history.
Thanks for another nice cab ride in third rail territory south of London. The annotations are very helpful to a Yank watching from Wisconsin using Google Maps to follow along. I also like the remarks on infrastructure and junctions. Cheers!
Fun fact: This line runs extremely close the Caterham line for a short stretch after Riddlesdown Tunnel (which is something I only realised not too long ago)! Upper Warlingham and Whyteleafe Stations are within line of sight of one another and are served by the same bus stop!
Yes. Upper Warlingham to Whyteleafe is classed by TfL as an “out of station interchange”, which means pay as you go travellers can change between trains (and stations) there and only be charged for one journey.
Great route to see a cab ride beyond south Croydon. I remember noticing The former Croydon, Oxted and East Grinstead Railway. Parts of the W&SC platforms that are still visible,
Brilliant video! Whenever I come over the pond to visit some very dear friends (who live in Sanderstead), I usually take this line from Victoria. It's a bucket list thing for me to take it all the way to East Grinstead and spend some time at the Bluebell Railway. Maybe next year!
Right from the first second, memory jumps out at me. 1958 I think it was, making my usual trek from the station down the road to the left of shot towards Cherry Orchard Road to my gran's house in Ovel Road. Looking to my left down into the country end of platform 6, there was a Black Five simmering at the starting signal, probably with an inter-region excursion to the south coast - although at that time I would not have known this at the ripe old age of eleven...strangely enough, thinking about that event and bearing in mind the route your train is about to take, I realised that, despite my life long love affair with Southern electrics and railways in general, I only ever three times ventured south of East Croydon. Once on a weekend 8-SUB excursion to Brighton with my gran. Once to Horley with my parents to visit my older brother who was then living in a home for the intellectually handicapped near Gatwick. And once when I fell into an alcohol-induced sleep on the last semi-fast service of the day, missed my East Croydon and eventually woke up as the train pulled into Brighton!
Great video emmo, lovely journey, amazing tunnel and viaduct,riddlestown👌,oxted tunnel over a mile long, incredible Victorian engineering,nice information 👌😀👍
The disused station between South Croydon and Sanderstead is Selsdon, not Selhurst as stated. Selhurst is on the line from East Croydon northwards to Victoria before Thornton Heath.
Sorry I thought I had seen it somewhere along the line, then I couldn't think where I had seen it so as a former resident of Thornton Heath I felt obliged to add it.
See the track points just after leaving Sanderstead, are a throw back from the Elmers End to Sanderstead service, the train would leave Sanderstead, cross over at those points for its return journey to Elmers End
The trains from Elmers End usually reversed in the up platform at Selsdon. When the line towards Oxted was first electrified the third rail only reached Sanderstead and electric trains had to reverse there.
At Dormans there is a differential speed board 40 over 65. Was that simply to regulate the freight movements clearing the Imberhorne landfill site for the Bluebell? I can't imagine there would be any other freight traffic to or beyond East Grinstead, so is it now just a relic of that period of intense working?
"If there is a differential permissible speed, or a differential temporary or emergency speed restriction, the higher speed applies to passenger, parcels and postal trains (loaded or empty) and light locomotives. The lower speed applies to all other trains." All other trains doesn't necessarily mean literal freight trains, it can also apply to say tampers, rail grinding trains in transit, all sorts
I thought the Southern services to East Grinstead normally pass through South Croydon without stopping and not calling at South Croydon and the only service that does call at South Croydon is the Caterham and Tattenham Corner service dividing and attaching at Purley
@emmo999 not according to Wikipedia the services to Uckfield and East Grinstead pass through without stopping and not calling at South Croydon and the peak hour service Couiston Town do call at South Croydon and then Purley Oaks
When Beeching made his savage cuts to the railway network in the early 60s, one of the commuter lines from Sussex that survived was the one from East Grinstead. Guess where Beeching lived?!
Great to see from the front one of our favourite trips to the start of the Bluebell Railway. We had a really good couple of days there staying at a bnb in Horsted Keynes, enjoying the steam and the history.
The Bluebell is a lovely line
Great to see yet another section of the SE network rarely visited. Thank you!
It was Selsdon station shortly after South Croydon. The line came from Elmers End. A lot of it is Tramlink now.
Yes, my bad. I meant Selsdon, not Selhurst
@@emmo999phew. I thought I was going mad reading Selhurst which is to the north of Croydon. Thanks for the clarification
Thanks for another nice cab ride in third rail territory south of London. The annotations are very helpful to a Yank watching from Wisconsin using Google Maps to follow along. I also like the remarks on infrastructure and junctions. Cheers!
Fun fact: This line runs extremely close the Caterham line for a short stretch after Riddlesdown Tunnel (which is something I only realised not too long ago)! Upper Warlingham and Whyteleafe Stations are within line of sight of one another and are served by the same bus stop!
Yes. Upper Warlingham to Whyteleafe is classed by TfL as an “out of station interchange”, which means pay as you go travellers can change between trains (and stations) there and only be charged for one journey.
This is a very pleasant journey, through some superb countryside.
I remember the Bridge at Sanderstead being replaced in the 60's, the road was close, but a temporary footbridge was put up
Absolutely brilliant. Thanks for the smooth journey. Beautiful countryside. Looking forward to seeing much more. Thanks again
A new video has gone up today. I also have the return journey of this filmed which I will upload in due course
@@emmo999 I'll check them out
Great video, comments very helpful especially history of parts closed
Great route to see a cab ride beyond south Croydon. I remember noticing The former Croydon, Oxted and East Grinstead Railway. Parts of the W&SC platforms that are still visible,
Brilliant video! Whenever I come over the pond to visit some very dear friends (who live in Sanderstead), I usually take this line from Victoria. It's a bucket list thing for me to take it all the way to East Grinstead and spend some time at the Bluebell Railway. Maybe next year!
Right from the first second, memory jumps out at me. 1958 I think it was, making my usual trek from the station down the road to the left of shot towards Cherry Orchard Road to my gran's house in Ovel Road. Looking to my left down into the country end of platform 6, there was a Black Five simmering at the starting signal, probably with an inter-region excursion to the south coast - although at that time I would not have known this at the ripe old age of eleven...strangely enough, thinking about that event and bearing in mind the route your train is about to take, I realised that, despite my life long love affair with Southern electrics and railways in general, I only ever three times ventured south of East Croydon. Once on a weekend 8-SUB excursion to Brighton with my gran. Once to Horley with my parents to visit my older brother who was then living in a home for the intellectually handicapped near Gatwick. And once when I fell into an alcohol-induced sleep on the last semi-fast service of the day, missed my East Croydon and eventually woke up as the train pulled into Brighton!
Great video emmo, lovely journey, amazing tunnel and viaduct,riddlestown👌,oxted tunnel over a mile long, incredible Victorian engineering,nice information 👌😀👍
Excellent video! Greetings from NYC 🗽
Coming into Lingfield, the housing on the right is built on the site of the old goods yard and banana sheds - fair bit of banana traffic at one time.
I was going to mention that, and forgot! Thanks for the recollection. I’ll put it on the captions for the return journey
Excellent video my friends
Great video. I didn't realise you drove freight and passenger service. 👍
The disused station between South Croydon and Sanderstead is Selsdon, not Selhurst as stated. Selhurst is on the line from East Croydon northwards to Victoria before Thornton Heath.
You’ll note I’ve added that in the description. I had a brain fart
Sorry I thought I had seen it somewhere along the line, then I couldn't think where I had seen it so as a former resident of Thornton Heath I felt obliged to add it.
As someone who lives in the Oxted area, I can say that the crossover at Woldingham is rarely used. Great video though!
I have seen it used during engineering works at Oxted. Trains were able to at least serve as far as Woldingham. But, yes, it’s very rare
And at the time, the third rail stopped at Sanderstead, as it only served the Elmers End/ Sanderstead service
Great ride thank you paul in Kent
See the track points just after leaving Sanderstead, are a throw back from the Elmers End to Sanderstead service, the train would leave Sanderstead, cross over at those points for its return journey to Elmers End
The trains from Elmers End usually reversed in the up platform at Selsdon. When the line towards Oxted was first electrified the third rail only reached Sanderstead and electric trains had to reverse there.
At 03:05 when you refer to "Selhurst" having closed in 1983, I assume you mean SELSDON.
nice ride throught the countryside shame a bird had to go to the toilet on the way LOL!
Some things are beyond human control!
Back in the say trains in the rush hour would can in from CharingvCross and Cannot street to Sanderstead via the mid Kent line
Yes, I know it shut in 1983. Afterwards, there was just a short stub in use as an oil siding at Selsdon
Thanks for this cab ride. Is it possible for you to make a video cab ride from Dorking to Horsham?
It’s on the list. I just need reason to travel over it
At Dormans there is a differential speed board 40 over 65. Was that simply to regulate the freight movements clearing the Imberhorne landfill site for the Bluebell? I can't imagine there would be any other freight traffic to or beyond East Grinstead, so is it now just a relic of that period of intense working?
"If there is a differential permissible speed, or a differential temporary or emergency speed restriction, the higher speed applies to passenger, parcels and postal trains (loaded or empty) and light locomotives. The lower speed applies to all other trains." All other trains doesn't necessarily mean literal freight trains, it can also apply to say tampers, rail grinding trains in transit, all sorts
Nice to see another line not often covered. Interesting that you're on a passenger service, do you work for more than one TOC?
The driver doesn't wait for very long.
I thought the Southern services to East Grinstead normally pass through South Croydon without stopping and not calling at South Croydon and the only service that does call at South Croydon is the Caterham and Tattenham Corner service dividing and attaching at Purley
Peak hour services stop there
@emmo999 not according to Wikipedia the services to Uckfield and East Grinstead pass through without stopping and not calling at South Croydon and the peak hour service Couiston Town do call at South Croydon and then Purley Oaks
Well would you rather believe Wikipedia, or the crew of the train, who I asked at the time!
Take a look at the Southern timetable, specifically the 1520, 1550 and 1620 off Victoria
@@emmo999 I believe Wikipedia
When Beeching made his savage cuts to the railway network in the early 60s, one of the commuter lines from Sussex that survived was the one from East Grinstead. Guess where Beeching lived?!
Yes, indeed
He lived at Hartfield and axed that part. Nuuuumptyyyy.😂😂
@@thenightraven60 - Commute to Three Bridges did he? Bloody hell, even this excellent site attracts two bobs.
Only used the line as far as Riddlesdown.
I think that you may have got it wrong about Selhurst station
Yes - I believe it was called 'Selsdon Road'!
@@georgeJWIt has been known as both in its time.
Yes, my bad. It was Selsdon.
No hiss as the train moves off?
Selhurst after South Croydon?
Yes, my bad. I had a brain fart
@@emmo999 that’s ok. I won’t tell the Selsdon lol
Selsdon not Selhurst
Yes, my bad. I had a brain fart