A cab ride aboard a Southern class 377 from London #Victoria to #LondonBridge via #Streatham and #CrystalPalace #class377 #train #railway #cabride #southern
It is very much a labyrinth. Whereas the north of London is mostly tube for its suburban services, south of the river is all mainline railway. Glad you enjoyed it
@@emmo999 It's an interesting counterpoint. Although the Overground has changed this to some extent, traditionally it was usually the case that stations north of the river would usually have a much more frequent service, but also a more limited range of destinations, usually just a line going into London in one direction and away from London in the other, with a couple of branches to choose from at the outer end if you were lucky - whereas south of the river many stations have a much greater range of destinations, not just a choice of London terminals but far more in the way of orbitals and braided routes, but this comes at the cost of frequency with many lines seeing only a half-hourly service.
If you have any questions just ask. This specific line is super unusual and I think that it's unique in London as the line "does not go anywhere" and by that, I mean that the line loops around in a "U shape" so it leaves from Victoria Terminus and ends back at London Bridge terminus in London which are about 3 miles apart but just outside the City of London which is effectively a country within a country...
52 years ago, I used to travel into London Victoria from South Norwood daily. This is the first time I've seen the trackside views since then. Quite amazing to see some of the derelict buildings I saw then, are still there!😀 Thanks for the memories.
I used to commute from Abbey Wood to Brighton, mostly going to London bridge Brighton, but many times Victoria Brighton. This brings back memories. Thanks
This is a real pearler of a cab ride video. There's so much variety of stock, the stations and junctions all named and directions with the signalling. It's also amazing to see how much graffitti has been put on culverts, bridge supports and on some station buildngs. Totally incredible! Anyhow, many thanks for this great video showing.
Great video! As an American and a suburban New Yorker, am quite impressed with British suburban rail these days. In the late 70s and mid 90s was in London on business and rode the rails up to the Midlands and Yorkshire many times. As a rail fan can’t wait for my next trip over to “London Town”. Keep the videos coming! Cheers! 🚆
I visited Denver last summer for a few weeks and was surprised how alien train travel is there. As visitors we used what there was without issue, and were having to educate the locals who had lived there all their life and had never used it!
@@emmo999Not sure where you're from, but I have lived in Denver 10 years and it's comical to see people here struggle with light rail trains (the whole area is playing catch-up to the population curve) having grown up in Chicago and taken the L around the city in my youth.
@@mikeestwick3350I’m a Londoner, so trains are fully ingrained into our system. I think Americans love their car too much. My stepsister was actually quite impressed with how easy the train was to get you into the city quickly and easily. I hope they’ve continued to use it since
@@emmo999 Yes, it's still in use, and the long term vision is to have the train connect Denver to Colorado Springs on the south and Fort Collins to the north, even though these are still years away. Cheers and good health to you mate!
I used catch the Sydenham to London Bridge train when I worked in London between 1964_67. I really don’t remember much of the scenery, but thank you for the memories.
Yes, there used to be a quicker route from Victoria to London Bridge by train, via Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye, but this was discontinued when the Overground partially took over the route, and diverted into Clapham Junction.
@@ianmcclavin - Mystery solved, Scooby snacks all round. I knew I used to get a train from Victoria to Peckham Rye and was perplexed when it didn't show up here.
Great Video, I actually did this route yesterday as I was travelling about different lines in London, so timely it popped up in my timeline today. You have gone a good job with the graphics too, which explain things clearly and simply, so its been nice to see a route I travelled on, from another angle.
About 30 years ago i used to take the London bridge - Victoria 'loop' via Denmark Hill from South Bermondsey every day because I had an office next to Victoria Station - a journey I would never have thought of before. This 'loop' was lost with the creation of the new Overground services.
Actually not too bad. Because you can break it up into manageable sections. But getting a general overview in your head about what connects where takes some doing!
My parent's familys were both from the Crystal Palace / Upper Norwood areas. Visits normally meant a bus journey but I always looked for my 1st sight of the Crystal palace transmitter mast Now in my 70s, it was such a special moment when at at 18:05 the train comes out of the tunnel and you see the mast. That sparked vivid memories of childhood visits to loving grandparents and aunts/uncles. Thank you from a moist eyed old man.😂
Vic 3 resignalling project. We renewed/ recontrolled the signalling between Vic and Leigham Jn. Train delays into Vic reduced by 55% Well done team Siemens. Thanks for a really good vid.
We moved to NZ when I was 15 in 1985. Not many trains here. I have wondered a few times what the line was called that I could see every day from the top floor of my primary school near Tooting Broadway. It curved up a hill south towards transmission towers. Selhurst Park could be seen in that direction too. I could not tell for sure looking at maps. You took that line. Instantly recognizable in cab view. Cheers. Now I just have to work out what the park our mother took us to for picnics was called. We would catch the tube to Morden and then it seemed like an hour or so on British Rail to some kind of parkland with hills and forest etc. It was nice. Then we moved to Milton Keynes for a few years before moving down under. Milton Keynes got laughed at for its concrete cows etc. It did alright for itself in the end. It also borrowed a football team from south London and never gave it back (Wimbledon AFC that became MK Dons).
i like that before battersea park the signal still has the feather pointing toward p1 and 2 and that theres still remnants of the points that used to be there still on the tracks in between the rails
I commented on the London Bridge to Hayes Video a short while back. I started my signalling career at Crystal Palace "C" Box in 1966 Then onto Liegham Junction Box, did a short stint at Star Lane.....just south of Coulsdon, it was situated in a deep cutting, well away from anyone! Very scary box that was. There was a mental institution a short distance away, and sometimes the inmates got out and wandered down onto the track, some were intent on topping themselves, others tried to get into the signal box. I Couldn't get out of there quick enough! Then onto Hayes (Kent) then Twickenham West junction Box. As you stated on the other vid, the signalling upgrade would see vast swathes of Boxes going. Couldn't see a future, so left, and took another work direction.
Ah yes, the infamous Cane Hill. I don’t envy you one bit with that going on I know Star Lane, Hooley. Didn’t know there was a box there. I bet access was awkward at times, especially if things were icy?
Ооооо.... Никогда не видел пригороды Лондона и очень удивлëн, что Европа хочет что-то сказать России, как надо жить? 😁😁😁 засилие граффити и вид хуже, чем около Москвы 😳🧐 нееее...ребят, не Вам нас учить, а Вам у нас учиться 😜 судя по всему, точно....без наших энергоресурсов и земных богатств, эти страны будут жить в каменном веке 😁 и удивлять только центральными площадями 😜😁 .... Ну посмотреть можно, но жить бы расхотелось 😳🙊😁 За видео большое спасибо 😜👍👍👍👍👍
37:22 I really enjoyed seeing this route for two reasons. 1. I have travelled on it before but that would have been probably nearly 20 years ago. 2. I play train sim world, but we only have the brighton mainline route out of Victoria, so was cool to branch off at balham and take in all the starions and many branch offs along the route👍🏽
you know on train sim world 4 they addeed London Victoria to London Bridge on the 377/4 and they renamed the pack London Commuter on the Timetable mode what version of Train Sim World do u play
It’s been too dark to get out and film. Hoping to step it up a bit more as the daylight hours get longer. Still got a list of routes I want to try and get filmed
@@emmo999 I know you probably mostly get to do routes on the Southern network, but if you do have a chance to get anything in the SWR area, that would be super interesting.
I can never guarantee to be anywhere at any given point to film. I am trying to cover as much as I can. But it has to be daylight hours, dry weather and the right driver (if not myself)
@@emmo999The best one is the Victoria to Brighton line. The 377 sounds just right. Obviously there isn't the jostling that the driver gets in real life.
Fascinating, thank you. It’s a funny old route though - I can’t think of anybody who would want to go from start to finish. Presumably, it exists only for the benefit of stations en route?
Thank-you for this. It's a portrait of a dead economy, where it gets the Usurers to work and home, and me back to London. Even the graffiti is jaded. Woe!
Nice video, but.... been there, done that, whilst based earlier in my career at London Bridge & Bognor Regis... in the 1980's... Now happily retired for 5 years after completing more than 40 years service. A few changes here & there though & trains rode a lot rougher then! One thing your video is unable to show though is the quite considerable gradients traversed. I once had to come this way (in the opposite direction from Norwood Jn) with an express passenger train from Bognor after being wrong routed at Windmill Bridge Jn after having left East Croydon with a train going to Victoria that the signalman mistakenly thought was going to London Bridge....
You were wrong routed by Gloucester Road Jnc' Box who controlled Windmill Bridge jnc. I was a box boy (train recorder) at Gloucester Rd soon after leaving School in 1961.
@@davethatcher4954 This happened nearly 40 years ago and my route knowledge might well be a bit rusty... The signal protecting the junction, which was 60mph for either route was placed behind a big road bridge. A green aspect on the signal just off the end of Platform 2 at East Croydon gave no indication at the time of which way the route was set .... I had no chance whatever of stopping my train on sighting the signal displaying the wrong route.... Indeed, had slammed the brakes on, I could quite possibly have stopped right over the junction & found myself "gapped", even with this 12 car train, so I just brought the train to a controlled stop at the next signal & informed the signalman of his blunder, telling him I was ex London Bridge and that I knew the road via Crystal Palace and Streatham Hill.... Happiness. The alternative was to continue to Norwood Junction, Change ends, then back via Selhurst, or East Croydon. This happened somewhere between 1986 & 1989 when everything in the Croydon area was controlled by Three Bridges panel box....
Excellent video!! Quick question... Can you explain what that "chime bell" indicates?? I did notice the cab going over some sort of detector when this happens.... Thank you!
The bell indicates the next signal is green. Where it isn’t green (ie yellow or red), you get a “horn” instead, which must be acknowledged within 2.2 seconds, else emergency brakes are applied
It’s just making sure you’re conscious of what the signal is There is a foot pedal which you must deal with for two purposes to prove you are both present and alert
My understanding is all the downstairs bits are still there and functioning as before, it’s just controlled now from Three Bridges ROC rather than the upper floor
Battersea sees two Overground trains a day. One leaves at 0633, and the other arrives 2248, leaves 2303 www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:BAK/2024-02-09/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LO
There are plenty of train (and bus) routes from A to B that don't make sense as end-to-end services, but are a convenient and efficient way of providing links to both A and B from all the stations along the route.
Great video! Does anyone know what these things between de rails are at 21:41, 22:09 and 22:20 (the last one on the other track). They aren't AWS magnets nor TPWS rosters. Maybe part of the track train detection circuit?
Their official name is an impedance bond. In reality, they’re known as spiders and are part of the track circuits that tell the signallers where trains are
Yes. Because the collector shoe rides on top of it. In some places, there are wooden kick boards that help prevent accidental touching, such as near foot crossings, but that’s as guarded as it gets
It’s a fixed lens on a GoPro. I don’t know if there’s a lot I can do about it. I can see if maybe my video editing program can crop down the edges, but I’m afraid I can’t make a guarantee
I would say quite popular. It has an all day half hourly service, with a choice of either London terminus for those midway. So definitely worthy of running
All done officially. I wouldn’t put myself at risk with these otherwise. I know drivers from various firms all use the videos for route knowledge purposes. The camera is always set up in the 2nd man side, and then left. There is zero distraction to the driver
It’s long been a route. Previously there was also a VIC-LBG service via Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye and South Bermondsey. That ended when Overground started
I think you better check your track maps. The Crystal Palace line continues to Beckenham Junction. To get to Norwood Junction, you would have to turn off again, but the through line continues to Beckenham Junction
An excellent video, thoroughly enjoyable, thanks for posting it. But can someone please explain to me why on most UK suburban routes there is so much rubbish, debris and detritus lying around? Grab bags everywhere, cables snaking around like discarded hosepipes, empty pallets left lying about, trees cut back and not removed, and much much more. Take a cab ride on any equivalent route in, say, Germany, Belgium or Holland and everything is pristine, tidy, organised and pleasing to see. Or am I being too critical here? Look forward to your comments.
I can’t make any comments. I’m simply one cog in the machine. The only comment I can make is enjoy the cab ride for what it is - a journey through south London
Hi@@emmo999, thanks for your response. My comments are not directed at you, you've taken the time, trouble and money to post this excellent video. My rant is directed at Network Rail, or one of their sub/sub/sub contractors for leaving such a mess. I've got lots of these South London routes on Train Simulator, they're a joy to drive, even with ancient 412s and 416s of the slam-door era. Keep up the good work mate, look forward to your future creations
Excellent video. The labyrinth of lines around South London are fascinating to me and your video covers this route perfectly. Thank you. 🙂
It is very much a labyrinth. Whereas the north of London is mostly tube for its suburban services, south of the river is all mainline railway. Glad you enjoyed it
@@emmo999 It's an interesting counterpoint. Although the Overground has changed this to some extent, traditionally it was usually the case that stations north of the river would usually have a much more frequent service, but also a more limited range of destinations, usually just a line going into London in one direction and away from London in the other, with a couple of branches to choose from at the outer end if you were lucky - whereas south of the river many stations have a much greater range of destinations, not just a choice of London terminals but far more in the way of orbitals and braided routes, but this comes at the cost of frequency with many lines seeing only a half-hourly service.
@@emmo999😊
iAgree & iAgree😎
American from Cincinnati, Ohio watching here - very interesting to get an "everyday" impression from somewhere I've never been!
If you have any questions just ask. This specific line is super unusual and I think that it's unique in London as the line "does not go anywhere" and by that, I mean that the line loops around in a "U shape" so it leaves from Victoria Terminus and ends back at London Bridge terminus in London which are about 3 miles apart but just outside the City of London which is effectively a country within a country...
amazing view of the Eiffel Tower from West Norwood ;)
Isn’t it just! 😉
52 years ago, I used to travel into London Victoria from South Norwood daily. This is the first time I've seen the trackside views since then. Quite amazing to see some of the derelict buildings I saw then, are still there!😀 Thanks for the memories.
Glad you enjoyed it. Funny how some buildings last through time, yet others seem to change every few years!
I used to commute from Abbey Wood to Brighton, mostly going to London bridge Brighton, but many times Victoria Brighton. This brings back memories. Thanks
This is a real pearler of a cab ride video. There's so much variety of stock, the stations and junctions all named and directions with the signalling. It's also amazing to see how much graffitti has been put on culverts, bridge supports and on some station buildngs. Totally incredible! Anyhow, many thanks for this great video showing.
Thank you. More to come!
I’m platform staff and dispatch 377s so it’s interesting to see how it looks from your POV. Keep it up!
Totally enjoyed, the trip round part of London!!😎🚃🚃🚃🚃🇬🇧
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video! As an American and a suburban New Yorker, am quite impressed with British suburban rail these days. In the late 70s and mid 90s was in London on business and rode the rails up to the Midlands and Yorkshire many times. As a rail fan can’t wait for my next trip over to “London Town”. Keep the videos coming! Cheers! 🚆
I visited Denver last summer for a few weeks and was surprised how alien train travel is there. As visitors we used what there was without issue, and were having to educate the locals who had lived there all their life and had never used it!
The correct term these days is "That London" 😁
@@emmo999Not sure where you're from, but I have lived in Denver 10 years and it's comical to see people here struggle with light rail trains (the whole area is playing catch-up to the population curve) having grown up in Chicago and taken the L around the city in my youth.
@@mikeestwick3350I’m a Londoner, so trains are fully ingrained into our system. I think Americans love their car too much. My stepsister was actually quite impressed with how easy the train was to get you into the city quickly and easily. I hope they’ve continued to use it since
@@emmo999 Yes, it's still in use, and the long term vision is to have the train connect Denver to Colorado Springs on the south and Fort Collins to the north, even though these are still years away. Cheers and good health to you mate!
Excellent video. I get this to and from work, so it's nice to see out of the front for a change.
I used catch the Sydenham to London Bridge train when I worked in London between 1964_67. I really don’t remember much of the scenery, but thank you for the memories.
Glad you enjoyed the ride
Use to do this trip regularly in the 80s
Yes indeed, a marvellous video and a most unusual journey. Quicker to take the tube!
Yes, there used to be a quicker route from Victoria to London Bridge by train, via Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye, but this was discontinued when the Overground partially took over the route, and diverted into Clapham Junction.
@@ianmcclavin - Mystery solved, Scooby snacks all round. I knew I used to get a train from Victoria to Peckham Rye and was perplexed when it didn't show up here.
Brilliant, thanks very much. As a south Londoner this made great viewing.
Great video emmo,an amazing journey, always a pleasure, great to have you back 👌👍😀
Cheers Shaun. I do try to keep producing videos, but the winter is hard
Around 14 years ago I used most of the London suburban lines to get around to various sites the trackside views brings back happy memories
In that time the 455 and 456 are all gone, it’s just 377s all over those lines now
Really enjoyable video, as a yorkshireman in London late 80's to mid 90's nice to watch from a different view, thanks very much. 🙂👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks so much for making this wonderful video
Great video thanks 😊
Enjoyed that very much thank you for driving it nice to see London and the surrounding area from the cab window.
Great video. Thanks.
Great filming production values. Thanks for sharing.
This looks fun. Glad I got to experience the ride from Hampton to Waterloo a few times myself. :)
Simply brilliant video. Thanks for posting it. Hopefully more to come
As the days get longer, I plan to get out more. I have a list of routes to record, but it’s getting opportunity and permission where needed
I enjoyed that ride, from an Englishmen and ex-rail Aussie railwayman (signaller) of 30 yrs. Thanks.
Another cracking video. Brilliant
Great Video Love the little routes going the long way round
Excellent video and thanks for the descriptions. South London has a great complex of lines.
It’s really quite a maze of lines!
The view on the boat is so beautiful, thank you for sharing like 👍🤝🔔OK my friend
For anyone who is wondering.
The Ding you here is to tell the driver that a set of lights are approaching.
Fantastic video thank you
Glad you enjoyed it. Got more planned as soon as the weather is nice!
Great Video 👋
Excellent video, thanks for sharing, subscribed.
Thanks for the sub!
Excellent video of the South London lines connecting two important termini.
Cheers, thank you
I enjoyed this ride very much, indeed. Cheers from Wisconsin!
Thank you. Cheers from Blighty!
Great video, so much to see 👍
Thank you 👍
Great Video, I actually did this route yesterday as I was travelling about different lines in London, so timely it popped up in my timeline today. You have gone a good job with the graphics too, which explain things clearly and simply, so its been nice to see a route I travelled on, from another angle.
Thank you for the feedback. Glad you enjoyed it
I do enjoy your videos I find them very soothing and relaxing to watch
I put them on in the background while I’m pottering around at home
@@emmo999 good idea
Nice to see lines that aren't often featured. Good to see you posting again, hopefully some more in the future.
Definitely more to come! Lots planned, as ever, it’s just finding the right opportunity
About 30 years ago i used to take the London bridge - Victoria 'loop' via Denmark Hill from South Bermondsey every day because I had an office next to Victoria Station - a journey I would never have thought of before. This 'loop' was lost with the creation of the new Overground services.
Thank you! Thoroughly enjoyed that. I used to do possession planning on Kent and Sussex routes until 2013 so it was a good route refresher 😊
Glad you enjoyed it!
i was in Collindale to visit the RAF museum same year. It has ben changed since then. Found a new video with northern line. Thanks for your answers
thanks for the great lunch-time run out love the maze of lines around south London, must me a nightmare for route learning
Actually not too bad. Because you can break it up into manageable sections. But getting a general overview in your head about what connects where takes some doing!
Really nice video, the unusual routes are enjoyable
Thanks. More planned!
@@emmo999 look forward to watching them, really fascinating seeing the drivers view
et retour. merci pour le film
Hey happy new year pal good to see you back in another train cab ride 👍
Definitely more to come as the days get longer
@emmo999 can't wait pal 😀
Interesting cab ride. A pity for the weather. Thank you for the video and for all the infos given, particurlarly concerning the others lines.
It’s winter. It’s arguably easier this time of year because it’s grey - you don’t get bright sunshine that only allows you to film in one direction 😂
Glad you’re back!
Now the days are getting longer, I’ll see what opportunities there are
Nice memories thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it
My parent's familys were both from the Crystal Palace / Upper Norwood areas. Visits normally meant a bus journey but I always looked for my 1st sight of the Crystal palace transmitter mast Now in my 70s, it was such a special moment when at at 18:05 the train comes out of the tunnel and you see the mast. That sparked vivid memories of childhood visits to loving grandparents and aunts/uncles. Thank you from a moist eyed old man.😂
Glad it evoked some memories for you!
Thanks!
Glad to see a new video. Been a long time 6 months, but I always enjoy them. Hope you are well. Cheers mate! 🇬🇧🙂👍🇺🇸
Thanks, you too!
Got to love how you stop at my train station in the video
Vic 3 resignalling project. We renewed/ recontrolled the signalling between Vic and Leigham Jn. Train delays into Vic reduced by 55% Well done team Siemens. Thanks for a really good vid.
I done this train ride. This was an interesting train route. I enjoy it and watching this cab rider video.
Hope you enjoyed the ride
@@emmo999 I absolutely did.
😇💯💖👋👋👍👍!!! Aaah! So SOOTHING ! ALWAYS ADORED TRAIN JOURNEYS The Longer the BETTER ! Manythanks ! From, U.K. U.K. ( 2024).
great. Cheers
We moved to NZ when I was 15 in 1985. Not many trains here. I have wondered a few times what the line was called that I could see every day from the top floor of my primary school near Tooting Broadway. It curved up a hill south towards transmission towers. Selhurst Park could be seen in that direction too. I could not tell for sure looking at maps. You took that line. Instantly recognizable in cab view. Cheers.
Now I just have to work out what the park our mother took us to for picnics was called. We would catch the tube to Morden and then it seemed like an hour or so on British Rail to some kind of parkland with hills and forest etc. It was nice. Then we moved to Milton Keynes for a few years before moving down under. Milton Keynes got laughed at for its concrete cows etc. It did alright for itself in the end. It also borrowed a football team from south London and never gave it back (Wimbledon AFC that became MK Dons).
Hi from Denmark. Nice excellent video. I was in London last time in 1996
Euro 96? Can’t think what else would bring you to here that year. The skyline has changed so much in those 17 years
Thanks for your answer. I know it has ben changed the last 28 years but i like this video.
i like that before battersea park the signal still has the feather pointing toward p1 and 2 and that theres still remnants of the points that used to be there still on the tracks in between the rails
Probably easier and cheaper to leave the feather as it is rather than having to remove it and associated circuitry from the signalling system.
Nice videos
Good to see some more videos again, been a while since I’ve seen your videos
The winter is harder to record due to a lot less daylight hours being available
@@emmo999 that’s true
I commented on the London Bridge to Hayes Video a short while back. I started my signalling career at Crystal Palace "C" Box in 1966 Then onto Liegham Junction Box, did a short stint at Star Lane.....just south of Coulsdon, it was situated in a deep cutting, well away from anyone! Very scary box that was. There was a mental institution a short distance away, and sometimes the inmates got out and wandered down onto the track, some were intent on topping themselves, others tried to get into the signal box. I Couldn't get out of there quick enough! Then onto Hayes (Kent) then Twickenham West junction Box. As you stated on the other vid, the signalling upgrade would see vast swathes of Boxes going.
Couldn't see a future, so left, and took another work direction.
Ah yes, the infamous Cane Hill. I don’t envy you one bit with that going on
I know Star Lane, Hooley. Didn’t know there was a box there. I bet access was awkward at times, especially if things were icy?
A drive down memory lane, I used to sign this route but haven’t driven it for several years
Glad you enjoyed the trip
Great video! I hope you can record a morning commute, from a suburb to some central station in London.
It’s on the cards at some point
Ооооо.... Никогда не видел пригороды Лондона и очень удивлëн, что Европа хочет что-то сказать России, как надо жить? 😁😁😁 засилие граффити и вид хуже, чем около Москвы 😳🧐 нееее...ребят, не Вам нас учить, а Вам у нас учиться 😜 судя по всему, точно....без наших энергоресурсов и земных богатств, эти страны будут жить в каменном веке 😁 и удивлять только центральными площадями 😜😁 .... Ну посмотреть можно, но жить бы расхотелось 😳🙊😁
За видео большое спасибо 😜👍👍👍👍👍
I hope you enjoyed the journey. I’m not commenting on the rest as this channel is not political. Just here for the railway
Another great cab-ride. London always looks best from a train - grey and grimy! 🚂👍
37:22 I really enjoyed seeing this route for two reasons.
1. I have travelled on it before but that would have been probably nearly 20 years ago.
2. I play train sim world, but we only have the brighton mainline route out of Victoria, so was cool to branch off at balham and take in all the starions and many branch offs along the route👍🏽
you know on train sim world 4 they addeed London Victoria to London Bridge on the 377/4 and they renamed the pack London Commuter
on the Timetable mode
what version of Train Sim World do u play
my mistake it said up to balham
but theres a mod u could install that deletes hidden walls so i am only saying it possible
London is a maze of lines. Clapham Junction always frustrates me, no matter where i try to spot from, i always seem to miss loads.
Welcome back!
It’s been too dark to get out and film. Hoping to step it up a bit more as the daylight hours get longer. Still got a list of routes I want to try and get filmed
@@emmo999 I know you probably mostly get to do routes on the Southern network, but if you do have a chance to get anything in the SWR area, that would be super interesting.
I can never guarantee to be anywhere at any given point to film. I am trying to cover as much as I can. But it has to be daylight hours, dry weather and the right driver (if not myself)
I enjoy all your videos. I try and compare them with routes on tsw4.
Is TSW realistic?
@@emmo999The best one is the Victoria to Brighton line. The 377 sounds just right. Obviously there isn't the jostling that the driver gets in real life.
@@emmo999 I have a channel that I use to try and compare with real vs game. It's a work in progress 😁
oh yeah the overground are gonna be running to london bridge. i've just seen some route training paths added on realtimetrains
Not seen that one
Fascinating, thank you. It’s a funny old route though - I can’t think of anybody who would want to go from start to finish. Presumably, it exists only for the benefit of stations en route?
I suspect it’s definitely more for the benefit of intermediate stations, giving people the option of either terminus, with their different connections
Thank-you for this.
It's a portrait of a dead economy, where it gets the Usurers to work and home, and me back to London.
Even the graffiti is jaded. Woe!
Nice video, but.... been there, done that, whilst based earlier in my career at London Bridge & Bognor Regis... in the 1980's... Now happily retired for 5 years after completing more than 40 years service. A few changes here & there though & trains rode a lot rougher then! One thing your video is unable to show though is the quite considerable gradients traversed. I once had to come this way (in the opposite direction from Norwood Jn) with an express passenger train from Bognor after being wrong routed at Windmill Bridge Jn after having left East Croydon with a train going to Victoria that the signalman mistakenly thought was going to London Bridge....
Can’t really do much to show the gradients, which I accept up to the Crystal Palace lines from both Norwood and Sydenham are quite severe
You were wrong routed by Gloucester Road Jnc' Box who controlled Windmill Bridge jnc. I was a box boy (train recorder) at Gloucester Rd soon after leaving School in 1961.
@@davethatcher4954 This happened nearly 40 years ago and my route knowledge might well be a bit rusty... The signal protecting the junction, which was 60mph for either route was placed behind a big road bridge. A green aspect on the signal just off the end of Platform 2 at East Croydon gave no indication at the time of which way the route was set .... I had no chance whatever of stopping my train on sighting the signal displaying the wrong route.... Indeed, had slammed the brakes on, I could quite possibly have stopped right over the junction & found myself "gapped", even with this 12 car train, so I just brought the train to a controlled stop at the next signal & informed the signalman of his blunder, telling him I was ex London Bridge and that I knew the road via Crystal Palace and Streatham Hill.... Happiness. The alternative was to continue to Norwood Junction, Change ends, then back via Selhurst, or East Croydon. This happened somewhere between 1986 & 1989 when everything in the Croydon area was controlled by Three Bridges panel box....
A slight change of pace moving on to passenger trains. But good to see the videos again.
I take whatever opportunity is available to get the track recorded!
Silly question (I am a northerner) the third line, am I right to assume it’s a power line like on the underground? Brilliant video
Yes, it's the 750v dc third rail. The vast majority of the southeast run on that system, Merseyrail also use it.
Nice wistel aswell
It’s known as the depot whistle. It’s normally used in depots and sidings to warn of movement, without needing the volume of the normal horn
Wow much better than anything in Chi Na
I have to admit I find that somewhat hard to believe!
Excellent video!! Quick question... Can you explain what that "chime bell" indicates?? I did notice the cab going over some sort of detector when this happens.... Thank you!
The bell indicates the next signal is green. Where it isn’t green (ie yellow or red), you get a “horn” instead, which must be acknowledged within 2.2 seconds, else emergency brakes are applied
Got it! Sort of a "Stay Awake" thing...almost like the "Dead Man's Feature"....
It’s just making sure you’re conscious of what the signal is
There is a foot pedal which you must deal with for two purposes to prove you are both present and alert
The mysteries of wombledon revealed.
It's strange how the cab view gives the impression south London is rural in parts.
yooo new video
It needs daylight - in winter that’s in short supply!
Remember the old dmu days when everybody could see forwards ? Best view sadly lost in modern stock.
What's the 1970's signal box at LBG used for? I don't suppose it's a listed structure?
My understanding is all the downstairs bits are still there and functioning as before, it’s just controlled now from Three Bridges ROC rather than the upper floor
Do the other platforms at battersea still use london overground services from time to time or are they vacant?
Battersea sees two Overground trains a day. One leaves at 0633, and the other arrives 2248, leaves 2303
www.realtimetrains.co.uk/search/detailed/gb-nr:BAK/2024-02-09/0200-0159?stp=WVS&show=all&order=wtt&toc=LO
Was this a 5 car train?
Great video. Is this a regular working?
Yes, runs all through the day
awsome, that is an odd route ... but it makes sence
There are plenty of train (and bus) routes from A to B that don't make sense as end-to-end services, but are a convenient and efficient way of providing links to both A and B from all the stations along the route.
CANNOT MISS 🤣🤣😂😂 THE SHARD !!!!!!!!!! LONDON BRIDGE ! FROM, U.K. U.K. (2024).
It can be quite annoying. If the sun is shining in the wrong direction, it reflects right off The Shard into train drivers’ eyes
Where foes the loco get its power from? The third rail running alongside the track?
Yes, it was a feature of Southern Region electrification .
The third rail carries 750v DC, which is picked up by the train using a few collector shoes, which rub along the top of the rail
Great video! Does anyone know what these things between de rails are at 21:41, 22:09 and 22:20 (the last one on the other track). They aren't AWS magnets nor TPWS rosters. Maybe part of the track train detection circuit?
Their official name is an impedance bond. In reality, they’re known as spiders and are part of the track circuits that tell the signallers where trains are
@@emmo999 Ok thank you. My idea was the correct one :).
They are slowly being replaced around the network by axle counters
@@emmo999 Ok, I see.
Is the third rail without a cover on all lines and in stations?
Yes. Because the collector shoe rides on top of it. In some places, there are wooden kick boards that help prevent accidental touching, such as near foot crossings, but that’s as guarded as it gets
@@emmo999 obviously the downside of that is you can't use a short-circuiting-bar in those areas, so arguably kickboards can sometimes be less safe!
An excellent video but I found the very wide angle lens used a bit disorientating.
It’s a fixed lens on a GoPro. I don’t know if there’s a lot I can do about it. I can see if maybe my video editing program can crop down the edges, but I’m afraid I can’t make a guarantee
Rare circumferential line. Is it a popular service or kinda underused?
I would say quite popular. It has an all day half hourly service, with a choice of either London terminus for those midway. So definitely worthy of running
@@emmo999 Glad to know that, popularity and massive use of trains always make me happy. Thanks.
Missed you :)
Question: I've always wondered how these videos are recorded, without getting in trouble with your employer.
All done officially. I wouldn’t put myself at risk with these otherwise. I know drivers from various firms all use the videos for route knowledge purposes. The camera is always set up in the 2nd man side, and then left. There is zero distraction to the driver
Why was the South London Line connection taken out at Battersea Park?
You’ll note the platforms have been extended over the site of the junction for longer trains.
@@emmo999 Shame in a way for people who lived near Wandsworth Road & Clapham High Street as they lost a direct route into Victoria & London Bridge.
I had no idea that there was a passenger service for this route
It’s long been a route. Previously there was also a VIC-LBG service via Denmark Hill, Peckham Rye and South Bermondsey. That ended when Overground started
At 20m24s, the line to the right continues to Norwood Junction ad not Beckenham Junction!
I think you better check your track maps. The Crystal Palace line continues to Beckenham Junction. To get to Norwood Junction, you would have to turn off again, but the through line continues to Beckenham Junction
An excellent video, thoroughly enjoyable, thanks for posting it. But can someone please explain to me why on most UK suburban routes there is so much rubbish, debris and detritus lying around? Grab bags everywhere, cables snaking around like discarded hosepipes, empty pallets left lying about, trees cut back and not removed, and much much more. Take a cab ride on any equivalent route in, say, Germany, Belgium or Holland and everything is pristine, tidy, organised and pleasing to see. Or am I being too critical here? Look forward to your comments.
I can’t make any comments. I’m simply one cog in the machine.
The only comment I can make is enjoy the cab ride for what it is - a journey through south London
Hi@@emmo999, thanks for your response. My comments are not directed at you, you've taken the time, trouble and money to post this excellent video. My rant is directed at Network Rail, or one of their sub/sub/sub contractors for leaving such a mess. I've got lots of these South London routes on Train Simulator, they're a joy to drive, even with ancient 412s and 416s of the slam-door era. Keep up the good work mate, look forward to your future creations
Are these trsins diesel or electric??
Electric. Fast, smooth and quiet