Ryuuku is a good friend, you may be critical of his views, but I do NOT tolerate blind hatred in comments with 0 productive conversation. If you respect me, please also respect my friends.
I think you're right that he's subconsciously already written this off and will eventually make a video that 2.0 was horrible. Parts of his rant does sound like he has a gacha addiction. Just how I interpreted that.
We got your sentiments, Cabz. I hope Ryuuku can recover from it after WuWa 2.0. But from the outside perspective, it kinda looks like he's dumping his negativity to WuWa which adds to the already going hate train in the game. So yeah, there's no doubt some players in the community will dunk on him.
Kuro needs to keep the guy making typos in EN. It's part of their identity now. The day we get a patch without a kuro typo, we know something horrible happened to the original person
@BlackMirror1994 nah, he's a boomer. His expectations of HSR to have a cinematic storytelling of triple A and classic jrpg like final fantasy is what ruined him. He was okay with Belobog and Loufu. But Penacony dialogue bloat is just horrible, it has twice the amount of wording when compared to persona4.
I personally think after watching his some criticism videos he's judging wuwa to fill what hoyo didn't do not by what kuro does or what their style is, thats the biggest issue. He has wayyy too much expectations without giving it time also reaching conclusions without actually seeing what the product is. I think he needs to clear his mind first and think straight
As someone who only plays HSR and Wuwa, bro should realize, it ain't that deep. If HSR gave him PTSD, he should quit it. And he should give Wuwa a chance to build up their story instead of judging it at first glance.
people seriously need to note that Wuthering Waves is not even 1 year old. You shouldn't be comparing it to already 2.0+ games that have more than likely established everything in the world already and are just building up on it.
I think genshin has conditon people to think when a new area comes out any existing area are just forgotten about. I think that wuwa's team is focusing the story around rover instead of the region. So while the jinjhozu story might be done. The region's story isn't. I've heard there's the capital that we havent visited. So we could go back to older regions with new areas. As for the issue of it not being dark enough. From what i heard cbt was very dark, no one trusted the MC and was even aggressive to them. Some would say it was too dark. So since people complained about it enough to have them spend resources to completely rewrite it i think they're trying balance the tone. Have some normal and bright areas to make the dark ones darker.
In early 1.1 story, there's an npc that said a rumor around Changli having some sort of disagreement with those in capital iirc, so there's a chance that we'll continue more Changli story and her role with those higher ups in the capital And the story not being dark enough, well, is that really a problem? I mean are we gonna priotize darker story for the sake of being dark instead of well-written conflict or characters? I heard the one that complained about cbt story is that how hard it was for Rover to gain people trust, like almost comically impossible, even after half way to the story, after Rover being helpful and kind and all. I heard players just wanted to tone down Rover hatred a bit, but instead Kuro took that feedback too literally and we got current 1.x prologue story.
@@hxppythxughts7149exactly my thoughts. Cbt 1 in my opinion was made dark to be dark but not to be well written. Like not trusting someone is normal but attacking him in first glance(sanhua) then when he saved ur whole city still trying to kill him is way too much. I can understand if that thing came in release wuwa would face more criticism that it got. But the only sequence they could keep was chixia not trusting rover at first was actually something I wanted that's all.
This also future proofs the game, since the regions aren't fully explored and we don't even know how many of them exist, kuro can extend the game for as long as they want, unlike Genshin where since the beginning we knew there are 7 regions and we fully explore all of them so hoyo will have some problems to extend the game after the last region releases.
Wow you're so cool. Lmao jk loser. You're playing a gacha game. Please, your not that special. Well, special in that you're mentally not well in the head.
Same 1.4 brought the hype of ZZZ for me but after seeing Miyabi outdamage every agent I lose interest lol. ZZZ is an action game and they will totally powercreep existing agents. I though it would be a year from now but bro 5 months? 😂
@@HazardTone Lmao no you didn't stop lying to yourselves. Nobody realistically just goes back to a game because of "hype" and leaves it immediately unless you were biased against it in the first place. Especially because of "powercreep", like you already knew she was Miyabi was exceptionally strong among the existing characters.
@@tp9516u underestimate how powercreep make ppl feel. It feels like the new OP character completely invalidates ur effort and resources u put into ur fave characters. I dont think its rlly negative bias, just casual and tourist who arent married to the game.
This guy has a problem with thinking that if something is not like him expect to be (not in term quality but in terms of content) he automalitally thinks is bad. In other words he judge things based on what he WHANTS to watch instead on what he IS watching. Also he actually belives in terms like Gathering Wives (at best there are 2 o 3) or "Genshin Killer", so if he stops playing Wuwa, Fan F**kingtastic, I'm tired of seen his videos when I look for something Wuwa related, so I hope he HATES Rinaccita. Also expect a video called "Wuthering waves is THE WORST game that I have ever played" after that.
@@AIA222-yu5ml they are not as bad as he says, the problem they both have is that they... take too much time in some things like Avanturine past it takes too much time just for you to be sorry for him, or the reveal of Misha Identity, both could be easily reduced and in Wuwa... the Story doesn't get good until Alto and Encore make theur Debut, until then it is long too much explanations and reading, some people that I know stoped playing Wuwa afger their first attempt just because the story has such a bad and long start,
The part that I just cant get behind is the comparison of 2.0 and Penacony. Its such surface level observations of warring factions, coming to a new land, interal politics, happy exterior that you find in a ton of writing in general. From the little we know you could probably find more in common with Belobog than with Penacony as 2.0 doesnt seem to cover topics of free will/choice and for the greater good. It seems more politics/vested interest and traditions. Long story short, no hate and just I hope Ryuuku is able to get out of this headspace so that he is able to view 2.0 for what it is, good or bad, and not what it might be.
I disagree on some of cap's points regarding Wuwa's story (acts 1-4 served as a build up to act 5 and beyond, although they could've been written better yes) Everything in wuwa post Act 3 was a good story for me, not the best but not mid as well, some stuff I agree could've been done better bit the overall story isn't mid I think cap's problem with wuwa's story in V1.x is that it focuses more on Rover's journey and past as well as every character that is specificly related to that (camellya, shorekeeper, jue, abby etc...) rather than the actual world Rover is in I do think now that we know a bit more on Rover V2.0 story would be way better, however always remember cap what are the main points for Wuwa's story are and their order of importance from what it seems judging by Wuwa's current story First Rover's past (that includes characters's stories that are highly related to rover's past), secondly Defeating the lament and building the world up I wonder if V2.0 will balance both of these elements of story though.
I also agree that the first 6 acts are overrated. its supposed to be an introduction. idk if ppl were expecting to kill gods within the first 10 minutes but me personally ill consider it fine
@purplerainPR Sure no problem :) I personly loved acts 5 and 6, they were pretty good but could've had a better build up from acts 1-4, imo it's not the best story but a pretty good one at that and from V1.1 to V1.4 kuro has been improving in the story, from what I can see it seems like V2.0 is where they truly trust to deliver a great story so let's see what they deliver.
@@Nataninko ngl my autocorrect keeps changing overhated to overrated, I meant to say overhated* in my oriental (oringal* god this keyboard sucks) comment mb
Well, if u someone that consume a lot of story from other media, you can see why one might consider wuwa story mid. It's not a far fetch statement either. A lot of story has the same formula as wuwa, op but amnesia mc, post apocalyptic world and so on. One may say it's good or mid/average, it's ok cause it's valid. But if you say it's bad or the best story you ever see, I just gonna say.... even if its your opinion.... u wrong.
Having high expectations for a gacha is a mistake, it's better to expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised. That being said, I can't wait to play 2.0.
He's frustrated because they didn't make echo system like what he want, so his feeling gone down. And when you feel bad, anything worsen in your eyesight. I went up and down with GI since release, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying other open world gacha. Take it easy, why so serious ?
Instead of making a video about why you don't like the plot, don't like this and that yap yap yap the same thing other ccs are saying. Why don't you dig deeper to the whole lore/story and make a video about what you found, clue you got from trailers/characters, what could happen in future. That will be a good video. A video of repeating exactly the same thing the other 10 cc are saying is kinda mid. Ryuuku already make his own videos pointing out his thoughts on the game, i hope you didn't make a whole video repeating what he said in his videos.
@captaincabinetz I too think all the main story are mid so far, even 1.4 camellya story are mid. It is what it is but unlike genshin cc where they make videos about lore, theories, story related content.. All we get from wuwa cc, well not all but all is about I hate this and that yap yap but the thing is they are repeating what other cc are saying like a snoop dogg's joint getting passed around by his friends.🤣 I just hope that your future videos will be a good quality content. Save us from this endless Möbius loops
It’s not a unlogical the way he’s feeling. This update just doesn’t have the vibe he wants and was hoping for something else, he just doesn’t know how to put it in the words properly . Also, sounds like he’s burnt out on the game.
In reality I think most people have seen his videos and at this point many think he is just wining about it and I can deny their claims but there is a bit with how he phrases his videos and such it puts a bad light on him. People are just tired of being put down and being told the game will suck and the title of that video just didn't help. So yeah he is entitled to his opinion and I think people are just taking it the wrong way I cant blame either side here.
I agree. As someone who played Penacony and HSR since release, I don't think Penacony is THAT bad to the point it gave me PTSD. Same goes for Wuwa. He is judging a game and comparing it just based of the looks of a single picture among many others. I can't help but think that at this point he is just whining about it. Respectfully, objectively, it ain't that deep 😭
This is only a what if True that the huanglong story as a whole seems have missing parts 1. Geshu lin's perspective story 2. Calcharo and danjin companion quest 3. The existence of the nightmare boses 4. Scar being held in jinzh 5. Jinshi recuperating What if the fractsidus gain the ability to artificially create a lament and bosses in huanglong evolves in to a nightmare td and fractsidus is ploting to release scar when jinshi not at its best here we will learn on geshu lin a lead story plus the companion quest of that two since fractsidus main agenda is destruction they make a special/nightmare dreamless and ww will finally get an appropriate end game (world boss) an event where the dificulty level increases the more the boss gain buffs(contingency contract in arknights reference) also hecate in rinascita can also a world boss candidate
I think a lot of the story problem so far boils down to a condensed timeline. They rewrote the 1.0 story on the fly. Yinlin's patch was pushed up and launched with a pretty rough translation and typos galore, etc. But I don't think you can deny that the visual aspects of the storytelling have been trending up with each patch. More lively animations. Improving voice acting. Dynamic cutscenes, super polished visuals- the bones underneath have shown signs of a promising future, and even games that didn't totally scrap their story often take some time for the writing to actually hit it's groove, so I am optimistic as we move into stories they are more confident in and have had more time to cook, the story itself will gradually catch up to the storytelling. I think part of the reason we're skipping to 2.0 is that they kind of want to wash their hands of Jinzhou for now and move on so when they eventually come back they can do it with a story they're much more confident in. But hey this could all just be pure copium.
Conclusion: Man has PTSD from his ex-girlfriend. Now he's worried that the woman his dating/going to date might act like his ex- at some point. In all seriousness, I can sort of understand but I decided long ago to not put high expectations on things even if I like em. Reminder that this is his personal opinion/concern and we shouldn't flame him for having one.
The term PPTSD is WILD😂 I’ve got GPTSD Not penacony for me but traumatized with Genshin so much that I’m scared about how they will cook with Zani since she seems like she’s a shielder
ngl the one point I disagree with you is, you may find the story in wuwa mid, but I dont get the point of the "why getting invested, story is mid". Since not everyone thinks like this, and I a one of those ppl, but I rly find the lore and story very interresting. Does not matter about how clumsy in is presentated. So I TOTALY understand that people, like me, may be INVESTED in wuwa's story, since SO MUCH is interresting about it. I dont get why you force ppl into the "We all know the story is mid, it is an average story we know this", that is a BIT too much subjective, to say the least. Well that was all I had to say, good vid still Cap' !
But personally, I got the impression that about 90% (or even more) of Wuwa players think the plot is shit, and all the characters are just "Rover simps". I very rarely see any positive comments about the plot or characters, I have not seen a single video on UA-cam that praised the plot. And I also very rarely see comments in which players would be really passionate about discussing the plot.
There’s a video where the character can fly on Mt. Firmament, so it’s more likely to not be region limited feature; also wouldn’t make sense, since Genshin has limited region abilities on Natlan
I wouldn't exactly rely on that footage since it was a leak, while the official website states that flight is exclusive to Rinascita. Most likely datamined or altered in a way that it would work outside of Rinascita
@@gsksbdb9988 I mean, they showcased an echo that makes you fly high so I think they will follow this way of thinking that making it region based makes no sense at all
Nah leaker/beta test have infinite Stamina, probably because it's Beta Account, and as u can see Glider have Green gauge, and in leak, those Gauge doesn't depleted I believe there's some kind a spot to charge those Glider stamina to fly longer like in Rinascita, they put bunch Wind Ring that if u past through it, your Glider can fly longer by filling the green gauge Ofc then can put it on other regions tho, we still need see ourselves when game updates, but pretty sure Kuro won't region lock that features
I really hope we have some future sidequests around Black Shores cause man the area was gorgeous, the music was incredible, the brief flashback to the disaster was great, but there was so much left on the table, I agree. Also I would go gay for Aalto so I wanted more than just greeting us then peacing out for the rest of the quest.
That's the thing bro, after playing HI3, PGR and Aether Gazer, heck even ZzZ after 1.4. I've accepted the fact that you need to give the story 8-10 chps to establish the groundwork and when they got better they rocked. I guess that's why people call those chps the filtering phase, since people who stay through them stay for long term while the rest move on.
while having a good story in a gacha game is good, i wouldnt expect a Bg3 level of story in any gacha game. im always the type to have medium standards for any gacha games. and yea your right 1.x was pretty mid there were some good moments here and there but pretty mid, its not to say mid is a bad thing its like its just ok. and god damn stop comparing this game to genshin or hsr, its like those are the 2 games you guys have only played
Black Shores feels unfinished, they showed us stories of two characters and introduced Thetis system but they didn't showed us how the organization works and how it's members cooperate. It felt weird to play through these updates.
have you ever thought that we will back to Jinzhou and Blackshore someday ? because i thought that way, they didn't make it finished and clear in one story,but they will make us back to the first place we're there
he's complaining about why wuwa won't explain to you why we need to go in rinascita. maybe we should wait a little since 2.0 will release. i know in genshin every nation will literally tell you that you should go in another country for additional info etc. but wuwa has different style, maybe for the sake of we won't left in cliffhanger. besides as far as i know abby just asleep after our fight with fallacy. all i can say is we should just wait we are literally in 1.4 what do you guys expect?? we are literally in world building arc. we still literally know nothing in solaris 3.
Personally, I think the early chapters were pretty mid, but I think it started getting better from chapter 4 onwards. I believe the Jinzhou storyline ended with the Dreamless fight and the Mt. Firmament and Black Shores storylines were essentially side stories to flesh out the Jinzhou lore. While I get where Ryuuku sensei is coming from, saying that it's too early to go to Rinascita, but Jinzhou is the launch or beginning storyline, no different from Belobog and Monstadt, so we can expect it to be short and simple. (Pretty sure the Belobog storyline wrapped up in HSR 1.0 alone IIRC, so I think we got more Jinzhou than I would've expected.) Except for the characters that still don't have a backstory, most of the stories in Jinzhou have been covered. I understand that Rinascita's aesthetics might not be post-apocalyptic enough for some people, but it has been years or maybe decades since the supposed apocalyptic event and people rebuild after a calamity, right? Also, if I understood correctly, Jinzhou's on the frontlines while Rinascita's relatively untouched so their aesthetics make sense to me. I think my issue with Ryuuku sensei is that he's expressing seemingly negative takes on Rinascita when it hasn't even come out yet. Edit1: Personally, I'm enjoying the WuWa story despite it's flaws. I think some stuff got cut because of the rush before launch. However, I'm hopeful that Rinascita will be a better story since they've had more time to prepare for it. Edit2: I respect Cap's opinion, but I disagree about 1.3. I personally loved the Black Shores storyline. However, I understand it if she has issues with the Black Shores organization not being fleshed out as much as they could've. I think the difference in opinion comes down to which characters we like. Shorekeeper's one of my favorites so I enjoyed the focus on her, meanwhile I could care less for Aalto so it doesn't bother me if he's not in it. That said, I really do think they've already revealed a lot about the org, and we only need some side stories to flesh it out further.
40:00 This is very strange to rate game story. If its not the best story then its mid. What happened to good? And i personally dont like when people sums up all story patches with sub patches like its one entity. They compliment each other and nothing more.
I mean to be fair Ragunna is as bright as a fantasy medievalish setting can possibly get. It is not like they can actually put vegas in the game like how HSR did. Festivals, carnivals, masks, dancing, rich folks arguing about politics etc etc is all very posh. But there are multiple regions in rinacita itself so who knows. I guess we will see. I have honestly only seen horizon zero dawn do the pretty and beautiful post apocalypse thing very well. I am in support of Ryuuku here. WuWa failed to deliver the post-apocalyptic feel well enough in Jinzhou and they are moving on to good weather too quickly without truly experiencing the wuthering part.
Wuwa is a lot like demon slayer to me. Like both are basic as shit but they're both extremely entertaining in their own right. Like wuthering waves story may be average by gacha standards but it's still entertaining
Ryuuku do all that talking for the problem from he himself is a little too much talking, and half of the reason is from another game also. However there are some of Cap opinions that I don't really agree on. 1.0 became peak after 1.3, I did think 1.0 story was kind of a let down in 1.0 but 1.3 story slap me into realization that all the good part of wuwa story end in 1.2 making 1.0 a quite good start for a story. Since 1.3, characters stop give a sh!t about each other and Black Shore quest have bad story telling, even if you consider it as a romance story it still worse than a random chinese teenage girl practice writing romance story online for fun. Also I do think we need to ask for better story writing in games like wuwa, they make million from us, they shouldn't slap some mid story they made only to sell their characters which can't even show the characters back story probably onto us player
While I understand where you’re coming from. I think meeting Shorekeeper and then Jue 3 patches later would be quite awkward for the main story, since Jue can’t tell us anything more than Shorekeeper can. And in 1.1 since Jinhsi was our only point of information, we had to seek her out. If she was in 1.4 we would have a “Rover we have a situation, please come help us” moment, which does not flow that well. The flow of story from Jinhsi to Jue to Blackshore to Shorekeeper is pretty good imo.
i kinda agree with that. And because 1.0 already foreshadowing about Jinhsi, Kuro were stunlocked to tell her story. And I also have read many stories that tells the leader as the last/peak of the story so I didn't expect Kuro even gave Jinhsi as character in 1.1. But nonetheless, I think the story barely have enough time to reach full potential because of gacha storytelling limitation (Character basically almost dissapear in the next version if they didn't have enough corelation to the story problem).
I honestly agree with his take that the switch to Rinascita feels very sudden and not properly built up. That said, the 1.x story (likely because of the rewrites) lacked direction and suffered terribly as a result. I feel like it's probably better for Kuro to just cut their losses and start in a new region with a fresh story, almost like a soft reboot. Personally I have no real expectations for the story, I just play for the combat and the visuals at this point, but a good story would be very much appreciated. Anyway, I hope Ryuuku can take some time to look after himself, and hopefully people don't hate on him
I'm glad somebody has the same opinion, there's a reason why the "main" story from 1.1 to 1.4 were either mostly companion story with some lore, or filler event. After the dumpster fire that was 1.0 story, I think Kuro just couldn't write the story on the fly, that would just make things worse. So they played it safe, and put out very little main story, and focused on companion quests instead. And now they can finally hit the reset button and write a story that they can proudly present to us.
Its not, if you just pay attention, read the dialogue properly etc its been already hinted since Jinhsi patch that were gonna go to Rinascita, and the one who mentioned Rinascita was a old man NPC and our goal since the beginning is to find out about ourselves, now we resolve the surface story who is Rover and the Blackshores (not the their entire origin) and resolve the problems in Jinzhou, and theirs nothing they can do with ovathrax than sealing and Abby prevented Therenodians reviving it. Its now to find out about the thing that has been with us since the beginning, aka Abraxas (Abby) that has been one of the goals because its inside Rover its part of Rover, and Rinascita is the only one who has answers which has been said since Jinhsi Patch and been repeated by Shorekeeper and just said to go to Rinascita. What Kuro has been doing is a text book example of creating a story, they are laying ground work to give background on the chars. we got so it won't be confusing later on where they introduce something out of nowhere, and if you just realize everything is surface level how they presented the story, they don't go deep enough to make it confusing later on.
@@haruusami1831 Yes, they teased Rinascita in 1.1. So now it makes sense that we are going to Rinascita. The problem I think many people are having, is why Rinascita's such a bright and happy place. And that bright and happy place happening right now is a bit too soon for a vibe change. The vibe change should come in 3.0, not Rinascita should come in 3.0. The land of Echoes could have had a different, less happy vibe is what I'm hearing from people, not that we should have gone to New Federation instead of Rinascita.
@@Torches0307 Aka people who are in doom & gloom camp, and who are you to know what's going to happen in 3.0, or even the entire story itself? but anyways from the trailer been shown, happy place was seriously the only thing we can get from that? Wealthy families arguing over the tragedy that happened 10 yrs ago, because of something probably something to do with the Festival itself, adding phrolova is their, some sinister upside down castle was briefly shown etc. God people are so surface level how they view things. And its "Post" Apocalypse not "Current", every place has different situation even Walking Dead after so long of doom & gloom branched out of telling that their are still countries that did fair better etc., and Jinzhou is just bit gloomy because they're are a FRONTLINE CITY.
@@haruusami1831 Don't be that defensive man, it's just what the people are feeling. First impression matters a lot, and it shows. This is all pre-update discussion, I feel people are free to discuss whatever they want, it's all speculative anyways. At least gives us something to talk about before the update, which will shut down all speculation once it drops. Personally, I don't feel any particular way about Rinascita being bright, and of course I know it's probably not gonna be a happy story, you brought up the points yourself. But people feel what they feel, and I don't think saying anything will sway that. You might be right and I agree with you, but people are just not feeling that way. And besides, we're gacha players, if we were smart and reasonable, we wouldn't have all the stupid drama happening all the time.
maybe the story is just too targeted for me to enjoy it haha I feel like i’m watching a harem isekai anime.. maybe cause just too many female characters that are too into rover and they shows up in the story a lot. It just lack too much diversity to make the world more believable. Hsr and even genshin, despite the ratio of male female. i feel the use all the character pretty well, bringing old character in side patches. and lots of character have interaction and relationship to other characters. I feel wuwa is a bit too focus on selling waifu. Seems like Rinacita will probably do the same thing. i see hints on how the red dress girl interact with rover. I hope the story is better, but at this point im gonna have to accept it 😂
Ok I am just finishing the video because I left it mid way but holy your reaction is dumb. You forget things that he said just five minutes ago and say stupid things that are unrelated. The whole video he says that he dislikes the vibe of the rinascita and explains why he is drawing parallels to penacony with specific examples as well but at the end you just "why he is comparing rinacita to penacony and there is no reason to compare it to penacony". Are you for real. It is literally a subjective feeling, and he gave an explanation as to why he is feeling that way and you just say stop doing it, your feelings are wrong and don't compare it to penacony. Holy waste of time watching the video. Penacony is literally called the planet of festivities for god sake. And rinacita has similar happy vibes with hidden politics but just in medieval ish fantasy setting.
I think it’s not always a good idea to use your experience of Penacony and use that to project on other games. That’s all I’m saying But please, call me dumb and be rude more jackass
wuwa 1.0 story was awful on launch but imo got better with 1.1 onward in story and story telling, more so telling but was still mehh. ryuuku's feelings are valid just looking at past patches but the guy might wanna step back from all the gachas he plays and maybe only play the ones he actually enjoys. like cap said, the guy should quit HSR if he doesnt like it
i know what he is feeling i hope they dont just forget about an area when a new one comes out and i hope they will return to it for more than an event unlike hoyo
In Captain's defence(about wuwa story)... It is Mid!! Hear me out, "If the story is all centered around Character & does not affect the world, for what you do as MC... is a relatively bad writing" and Yess it could have been written better. But, still it doesn't mean I'd hate Wuwa it's great. Story does have a lore, but you won't be curious in the least like Genshin & HI3 because of how the story is portrayed. 🤷🏻♂️
Take no offense but i personally disagree with you more than him. And while i can think of many points to what you said that i disagree with, I'll short it to just three. One, you saying that he shouldn't get interested in something he's clearly passionate about is kinda childish and dismissive. Not everyone can just be emotionally indifferent and not be attached to the hobbies that they love to do in their free time. Two, i can think of many stories that were great but focused more on characters than the world aspects, so saying gacha games can't have good stories for that reason doesn't make sense to me. Two examples being Durarara and Seven Deadly Sins. And three, that Wuwa's story is bad specifically because they don't give little bits of information about characters. Now I do kinda see where you was going with this statement but not everyone wants a story that's five to ten hours because everyone always gives their two cents about everything that's happening into every plot point. Some people actually like and want a more plot focus and MC focus story that's in the game and while I personally like a mix of the two, just saying the way you is fact is naive at best. Honestly, at least Ryo-sensei understand that opinion is subjective and give a endearing take on a game he clearly loves. I don't think you did a good job expressing your love for the game nor why I should take your opinion about the game seriously at all. But I guess I do understand that you care for your colleagues so I guess there's that at least.
1) I never said he shouldn’t be interested in something he’s passionate about. You are just completely misrepresenting what I said. I am simply stating that is a gacha game is causing someone a genuine level of personal distress, they should think about their investment into it, after all it is a game. Saying I am childish and dismissive is a lot. I am simply pointing out that this is not a healthy mindset. 2) I never said gacha games CAN’T have good stories.. again you are misrepresenting. I said the majority DONT have amazing stories. This is my completely subjective opinion. I do not know of any gacha game I have played that offered a truly thrilling, compelling and layered experience for ME. I have made multiple videos why that is. I do believe that anyone who claims WuWa story to be amazing narratively, when compared to all media, is quite honestly, a reach of a take. If that makes me naive and you believe it is, then we have to agree to disagree. 3) I have made my videos as mentioned previously, if you’d like to see specifics.
@captaincabinetz saying you're childish is a bit much and I'm sorry for that but saying you're being dismissive of the man's feelings definitely isn't. The whole point of his video is to give his feelings on the situation with the game and it's story and you're questioning why he's invested in the game story at all given that you thought it was "mid" or unenjoyable. That's not misrepresentation That's like having your friend come to you saying, "I love drawing but I hate how long it takes me" and you replying " Dude don't worry about it, your art sucks anyways". That's very dismissive behavior I feel. Also, yeah you technically didn't specifically say that gacha games can't have good stories but stating at 35:42 that "it's (the story) inherently not set up for success when it's more of a character focused game and not a story focused game" when you had already described gacha games' stories as just all character focused, how did you expect that to be taken? Look, this is the Internet, you're a CC, I don't expect you to care but I think you rewatch this video of yours because I don't think you gave any well-thought takes on it. That's just me personally though it's fine if you disagree.
@@fearlessslayer341your analogy is completely dishonest to WHAT I am actually saying it’s it’s genuinely wild you would make that comparison. I am NOT telling someone they shouldn’t do something they like or love. I have NEVER said that. This is just ridiculous. If one of my friends did something that made them FEEL AWFUL - you’re telling me the right thing for me to do would be to tell them to keep going? “Yes honey, I know you love the taste of peanuts, but you have a peanut allergy! It’s ok though, I know you love it so I won’t question it”. - this is what you want me to say. Or maybe the best thing to do would be to”hey, maybe if it’s genuinely making you feel bad, you should reconsider the amount of investment you are putting in” “Yes honey! I know you love peanuts, but given the fact every time you eat them, it can send you to hospital, maybe you should reconsider your exposure to them?” Apparently, to you, this is me being entirely dismissive. Wild
I love ice cream, so I’m going to eat 1000 tubs of it because I love it so much! Anyone who tells me this is bad for me is just completely dismissive of my feelings and is childish!!!!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, continuing to play HSR, that genuinely gave the guy traumatic stress, is NOT a good thing to keep doing when it literally affects your real life mood and opinion on other games irrationally.
You are the under dog, get shited from everyone. So, would you take a huge risk or play safe? Kuro is broke as f when wuwa launched, if they take huge risk, good luck not bankrupt. That's what I saw about kuro and wuwa. And I think the story is very mid, since I know what PGR can do. There is almost no story at all, things are mostly character chapter.
Absolutely correct analysis. Wuwa is an open world rpg not some arcady single player game where story is focused on rover lol. Story should be revolve both around rover and the world as it is open world rpg 😂 but kuro sucks at story writting .
And pgr story was very bad at launch it took almost very close to 1 year for it to get good, I remember when pgr story was being laughed at when it launched for the first time in cn, WuWa is going through the same bad beginning as pgr but in a different way
I totally understand him, cause I have mixed feeling about 2.0. From one side we have a lot of good stuff, massive new location, freaking flying, etc. From another the shift of the tone, style, feeling is making we question is this even WuWa? Rinoscita looks too old and fantasy like, compared to 1st locations and the whole setting of the world. The WuWa's world before lament was much more advanced technologically, than ours, but Rinoscita looks like 19th century in everything. Be it clothes, fashion, buildings, etc. Heck if someone showed me pictures without context, I would think Genshin's Fontaine. And the fact they weren't affected by lament too much, should have given them more time and resources to advance and progress, than other nations, but compared to 1st locations, they look like regressed backwater town instead..... I really hope Kuro made amazing explanation for why Rinoscita looks like this...
@@RocciaTheGreat they still would have tech and knowledge of the old world, so them looking like 19th century is stupid. They should at least have modern systems even if they would not upgrade them. You can see in trailer a freaking oil street lamps while before lament their civilization was ahead of ours.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting. In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting. In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting. In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting. In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
Tbh i think Rinascita is a bit early, i feel like it would be perfect in 3.0 instead of 2.0🤷 Like in 2.0 they ciuld have made an event around Chinese new year etc But im still excited for the region and everything thats coming
Huh. Any major update starts at X.0 format. Chinese New Year Event isnt a major update type its much a filler event. You're suggesting Kuro to continue filler 1.X patch with only rerun characters which will be negative to profit.
Sorry, I’m basically quit WuWa which is sad. I’ve been let down by this game. I was hoping it would get better. I’m sorry there are no husbands. I’m tired of women pushing themselves on me. Maybe if they cared about husband enjoyers I might care about their game.
Ryuuku is a good friend, you may be critical of his views, but I do NOT tolerate blind hatred in comments with 0 productive conversation.
If you respect me, please also respect my friends.
yeah we did
The real problem he not understand the core concept of online/service game
I think you're right that he's subconsciously already written this off and will eventually make a video that 2.0 was horrible. Parts of his rant does sound like he has a gacha addiction. Just how I interpreted that.
We got your sentiments, Cabz. I hope Ryuuku can recover from it after WuWa 2.0. But from the outside perspective, it kinda looks like he's dumping his negativity to WuWa which adds to the already going hate train in the game. So yeah, there's no doubt some players in the community will dunk on him.
At least vent his frustrations after 2.0 has been released. All he did was kill the mood of course people that are hyped will see it as an attack.
Kuro needs to keep the guy making typos in EN. It's part of their identity now.
The day we get a patch without a kuro typo, we know something horrible happened to the original person
"Thanks for your watching" -from the 2.0 live stream
I'm pretty sure they're on with the meme at this point😂
And it make them appear more approachable too
You know the content and promise is legit if they made a typo
@loppipoppi it's honestly not that bad
Penacony ruined him
Penacony trauma really messed him up, lol
"needs more glue"
The Attention span of a tiktok User ruined him.
@BlackMirror1994 nah, he's a boomer. His expectations of HSR to have a cinematic storytelling of triple A and classic jrpg like final fantasy is what ruined him.
He was okay with Belobog and Loufu. But Penacony dialogue bloat is just horrible, it has twice the amount of wording when compared to persona4.
I personally think after watching his some criticism videos he's judging wuwa to fill what hoyo didn't do not by what kuro does or what their style is, thats the biggest issue. He has wayyy too much expectations without giving it time also reaching conclusions without actually seeing what the product is. I think he needs to clear his mind first and think straight
As someone who only plays HSR and Wuwa, bro should realize, it ain't that deep. If HSR gave him PTSD, he should quit it. And he should give Wuwa a chance to build up their story instead of judging it at first glance.
people seriously need to note that Wuthering Waves is not even 1 year old. You shouldn't be comparing it to already 2.0+ games that have more than likely established everything in the world already and are just building up on it.
I think genshin has conditon people to think when a new area comes out any existing area are just forgotten about. I think that wuwa's team is focusing the story around rover instead of the region. So while the jinjhozu story might be done. The region's story isn't. I've heard there's the capital that we havent visited. So we could go back to older regions with new areas.
As for the issue of it not being dark enough. From what i heard cbt was very dark, no one trusted the MC and was even aggressive to them. Some would say it was too dark. So since people complained about it enough to have them spend resources to completely rewrite it i think they're trying balance the tone. Have some normal and bright areas to make the dark ones darker.
In early 1.1 story, there's an npc that said a rumor around Changli having some sort of disagreement with those in capital iirc, so there's a chance that we'll continue more Changli story and her role with those higher ups in the capital
And the story not being dark enough, well, is that really a problem? I mean are we gonna priotize darker story for the sake of being dark instead of well-written conflict or characters? I heard the one that complained about cbt story is that how hard it was for Rover to gain people trust, like almost comically impossible, even after half way to the story, after Rover being helpful and kind and all. I heard players just wanted to tone down Rover hatred a bit, but instead Kuro took that feedback too literally and we got current 1.x prologue story.
old Crownless boss .badass((((
@@hxppythxughts7149exactly my thoughts. Cbt 1 in my opinion was made dark to be dark but not to be well written. Like not trusting someone is normal but attacking him in first glance(sanhua) then when he saved ur whole city still trying to kill him is way too much. I can understand if that thing came in release wuwa would face more criticism that it got. But the only sequence they could keep was chixia not trusting rover at first was actually something I wanted that's all.
He forgot that Scar still in Jinzhou prison lol
This also future proofs the game, since the regions aren't fully explored and we don't even know how many of them exist, kuro can extend the game for as long as they want, unlike Genshin where since the beginning we knew there are 7 regions and we fully explore all of them so hoyo will have some problems to extend the game after the last region releases.
I quit all hoyo games because I felt like him and I couldn’t be happier.
Wow you're so cool.
Lmao jk loser. You're playing a gacha game. Please, your not that special. Well, special in that you're mentally not well in the head.
Same 1.4 brought the hype of ZZZ for me but after seeing Miyabi outdamage every agent I lose interest lol. ZZZ is an action game and they will totally powercreep existing agents. I though it would be a year from now but bro 5 months? 😂
@@HazardTone Lmao no you didn't stop lying to yourselves. Nobody realistically just goes back to a game because of "hype" and leaves it immediately unless you were biased against it in the first place. Especially because of "powercreep", like you already knew she was Miyabi was exceptionally strong among the existing characters.
@@tp9516u underestimate how powercreep make ppl feel. It feels like the new OP character completely invalidates ur effort and resources u put into ur fave characters. I dont think its rlly negative bias, just casual and tourist who arent married to the game.
This guy has a problem with thinking that if something is not like him expect to be (not in term quality but in terms of content) he automalitally thinks is bad.
In other words he judge things based on what he WHANTS to watch instead on what he IS watching.
Also he actually belives in terms like Gathering Wives (at best there are 2 o 3) or "Genshin Killer", so if he stops playing Wuwa, Fan F**kingtastic, I'm tired of seen his videos when I look for something Wuwa related, so I hope he HATES Rinaccita.
Also expect a video called "Wuthering waves is THE WORST game that I have ever played" after that.
Well he hates hoyo games now and if he ended hating wuwa he will start playing random games until ananta or whatever comes around
Am I too mentally strong to think Penacony and Wuwa story isn't THAT bad to the point I have PTSD?
@@AIA222-yu5ml they are not as bad as he says, the problem they both have is that they... take too much time in some things like Avanturine past it takes too much time just for you to be sorry for him, or the reveal of Misha Identity, both could be easily reduced and in Wuwa... the Story doesn't get good until Alto and Encore make theur Debut, until then it is long too much explanations and reading, some people that I know stoped playing Wuwa afger their first attempt just because the story has such a bad and long start,
Honestly rage baiting sucks and his video's titles just screams attention seeking for me
That his own problem don blame other for your high expectations same as Ananta to keep low expectations to it
The part that I just cant get behind is the comparison of 2.0 and Penacony. Its such surface level observations of warring factions, coming to a new land, interal politics, happy exterior that you find in a ton of writing in general. From the little we know you could probably find more in common with Belobog than with Penacony as 2.0 doesnt seem to cover topics of free will/choice and for the greater good. It seems more politics/vested interest and traditions.
Long story short, no hate and just I hope Ryuuku is able to get out of this headspace so that he is able to view 2.0 for what it is, good or bad, and not what it might be.
He hopes hes wrong too. Its just his ptsd from penacony thats flashing before him. Xd
@@ShibaShibaInuWoWPTSD from something he didn't even read, because Bro was too busy smashing the space bar.
I disagree on some of cap's points regarding Wuwa's story (acts 1-4 served as a build up to act 5 and beyond, although they could've been written better yes)
Everything in wuwa post Act 3 was a good story for me, not the best but not mid as well, some stuff I agree could've been done better bit the overall story isn't mid
I think cap's problem with wuwa's story in V1.x is that it focuses more on Rover's journey and past as well as every character that is specificly related to that (camellya, shorekeeper, jue, abby etc...) rather than the actual world Rover is in
I do think now that we know a bit more on Rover V2.0 story would be way better, however always remember cap what are the main points for Wuwa's story are and their order of importance from what it seems judging by Wuwa's current story
First Rover's past (that includes characters's stories that are highly related to rover's past), secondly Defeating the lament and building the world up
I wonder if V2.0 will balance both of these elements of story though.
I also agree that the first 6 acts are overrated. its supposed to be an introduction. idk if ppl were expecting to kill gods within the first 10 minutes but me personally ill consider it fine
@purplerainPR
Sure no problem :)
I personly loved acts 5 and 6, they were pretty good but could've had a better build up from acts 1-4, imo it's not the best story but a pretty good one at that and from V1.1 to V1.4 kuro has been improving in the story, from what I can see it seems like V2.0 is where they truly trust to deliver a great story so let's see what they deliver.
@@Nataninko ngl my autocorrect keeps changing overhated to overrated, I meant to say overhated* in my oriental (oringal* god this keyboard sucks) comment mb
@@purplerainPR yeah I figured something like that happened, just wanted to clarify my point just in case so np 👍
Well, if u someone that consume a lot of story from other media, you can see why one might consider wuwa story mid. It's not a far fetch statement either. A lot of story has the same formula as wuwa, op but amnesia mc, post apocalyptic world and so on. One may say it's good or mid/average, it's ok cause it's valid. But if you say it's bad or the best story you ever see, I just gonna say.... even if its your opinion.... u wrong.
Having high expectations for a gacha is a mistake, it's better to expect nothing and be pleasantly surprised. That being said, I can't wait to play 2.0.
He's frustrated because they didn't make echo system like what he want, so his feeling gone down. And when you feel bad, anything worsen in your eyesight. I went up and down with GI since release, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying other open world gacha. Take it easy, why so serious ?
Bro if I was dev I have him block lol geez everyone have that problem not only him dev know the problem u just need to wait
Instead of making a video about why you don't like the plot, don't like this and that yap yap yap the same thing other ccs are saying. Why don't you dig deeper to the whole lore/story and make a video about what you found, clue you got from trailers/characters, what could happen in future. That will be a good video. A video of repeating exactly the same thing the other 10 cc are saying is kinda mid.
Ryuuku already make his own videos pointing out his thoughts on the game, i hope you didn't make a whole video repeating what he said in his videos.
I made videos about my specific gripes for 1.1 and 1.3 respectively already months ago
@captaincabinetz I too think all the main story are mid so far, even 1.4 camellya story are mid. It is what it is but unlike genshin cc where they make videos about lore, theories, story related content.. All we get from wuwa cc, well not all but all is about I hate this and that yap yap but the thing is they are repeating what other cc are saying like a snoop dogg's joint getting passed around by his friends.🤣 I just hope that your future videos will be a good quality content. Save us from this endless Möbius loops
If he really cared about story he wouldn't be play Gotchas. 🤷♂️
It’s not a unlogical the way he’s feeling. This update just doesn’t have the vibe he wants and was hoping for something else, he just doesn’t know how to put it in the words properly . Also, sounds like he’s burnt out on the game.
Bro got PTSD from Penacony.
I think the story revolve on rover and character not on the place or region but black shore is basically rover's base so he/she will back at it
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This guy is a pain in the ass...that's the problem.
In reality I think most people have seen his videos and at this point many think he is just wining about it and I can deny their claims but there is a bit with how he phrases his videos and such it puts a bad light on him. People are just tired of being put down and being told the game will suck and the title of that video just didn't help. So yeah he is entitled to his opinion and I think people are just taking it the wrong way I cant blame either side here.
I agree. As someone who played Penacony and HSR since release, I don't think Penacony is THAT bad to the point it gave me PTSD. Same goes for Wuwa. He is judging a game and comparing it just based of the looks of a single picture among many others. I can't help but think that at this point he is just whining about it. Respectfully, objectively, it ain't that deep 😭
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This is only a what if
True that the huanglong story as a whole seems have missing parts
1. Geshu lin's perspective story
2. Calcharo and danjin companion quest
3. The existence of the nightmare boses
4. Scar being held in jinzh
5. Jinshi recuperating
What if the fractsidus gain the ability to artificially create a lament and bosses in huanglong evolves in to a nightmare td and fractsidus is ploting to release scar when jinshi not at its best here we will learn on geshu lin a lead story plus the companion quest of that two since fractsidus main agenda is destruction they make a special/nightmare dreamless and ww will finally get an appropriate end game (world boss) an event where the dificulty level increases the more the boss gain buffs(contingency contract in arknights reference) also hecate in rinascita can also a world boss candidate
hello there stream was fire
damn 1 hour video
I think a lot of the story problem so far boils down to a condensed timeline. They rewrote the 1.0 story on the fly. Yinlin's patch was pushed up and launched with a pretty rough translation and typos galore, etc. But I don't think you can deny that the visual aspects of the storytelling have been trending up with each patch. More lively animations. Improving voice acting. Dynamic cutscenes, super polished visuals- the bones underneath have shown signs of a promising future, and even games that didn't totally scrap their story often take some time for the writing to actually hit it's groove, so I am optimistic as we move into stories they are more confident in and have had more time to cook, the story itself will gradually catch up to the storytelling. I think part of the reason we're skipping to 2.0 is that they kind of want to wash their hands of Jinzhou for now and move on so when they eventually come back they can do it with a story they're much more confident in. But hey this could all just be pure copium.
Conclusion: Man has PTSD from his ex-girlfriend. Now he's worried that the woman his dating/going to date might act like his ex- at some point.
In all seriousness, I can sort of understand but I decided long ago to not put high expectations on things even if I like em. Reminder that this is his personal opinion/concern and we shouldn't flame him for having one.
The term PPTSD is WILD😂
I’ve got GPTSD
Not penacony for me but traumatized with Genshin so much that I’m scared about how they will cook with Zani since she seems like she’s a shielder
If she uses Shield, probably resonance skill either just support Shielder or aggressive parrying like Caesar from zzz but I don't know
As a PGR player, I'm not scared at all, Kuro knows how to cook with their "tanks" (lol, lmao)
ngl the one point I disagree with you is, you may find the story in wuwa mid, but I dont get the point of the "why getting invested, story is mid". Since not everyone thinks like this, and I a one of those ppl, but I rly find the lore and story very interresting. Does not matter about how clumsy in is presentated. So I TOTALY understand that people, like me, may be INVESTED in wuwa's story, since SO MUCH is interresting about it. I dont get why you force ppl into the "We all know the story is mid, it is an average story we know this", that is a BIT too much subjective, to say the least. Well that was all I had to say, good vid still Cap' !
But personally, I got the impression that about 90% (or even more) of Wuwa players think the plot is shit, and all the characters are just "Rover simps". I very rarely see any positive comments about the plot or characters, I have not seen a single video on UA-cam that praised the plot. And I also very rarely see comments in which players would be really passionate about discussing the plot.
Remember when everyone was convinced Geshu Lin was Scar? Good ol days.
There’s a video where the character can fly on Mt. Firmament, so it’s more likely to not be region limited feature; also wouldn’t make sense, since Genshin has limited region abilities on Natlan
Maybe they want make different gadgets for different region
Maybe next region we will got vehicles
first, mt. firmament footage is leak and private server
second, it's already confirm official gonna be region lock
I wouldn't exactly rely on that footage since it was a leak, while the official website states that flight is exclusive to Rinascita. Most likely datamined or altered in a way that it would work outside of Rinascita
@@gsksbdb9988 I mean, they showcased an echo that makes you fly high so I think they will follow this way of thinking that making it region based makes no sense at all
Nah leaker/beta test have infinite Stamina, probably because it's Beta Account, and as u can see Glider have Green gauge, and in leak, those Gauge doesn't depleted
I believe there's some kind a spot to charge those Glider stamina to fly longer like in Rinascita, they put bunch Wind Ring that if u past through it, your Glider can fly longer by filling the green gauge
Ofc then can put it on other regions tho, we still need see ourselves when game updates, but pretty sure Kuro won't region lock that features
I really hope we have some future sidequests around Black Shores cause man the area was gorgeous, the music was incredible, the brief flashback to the disaster was great, but there was so much left on the table, I agree. Also I would go gay for Aalto so I wanted more than just greeting us then peacing out for the rest of the quest.
PGR have same from 1 to 9 Suck.... from 10 to now fvkin Good story
That's the thing bro, after playing HI3, PGR and Aether Gazer, heck even ZzZ after 1.4. I've accepted the fact that you need to give the story 8-10 chps to establish the groundwork and when they got better they rocked.
I guess that's why people call those chps the filtering phase, since people who stay through them stay for long term while the rest move on.
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while having a good story in a gacha game is good, i wouldnt expect a Bg3 level of story in any gacha game.
im always the type to have medium standards for any gacha games.
and yea your right 1.x was pretty mid there were some good moments here and there but pretty mid, its not to say mid is a bad thing its like its just ok.
and god damn stop comparing this game to genshin or hsr, its like those are the 2 games you guys have only played
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Black Shores feels unfinished, they showed us stories of two characters and introduced Thetis system but they didn't showed us how the organization works and how it's members cooperate. It felt weird to play through these updates.
Think of it like a continuation, remember rover said Abby did something and we haven't heard Abby talk in 1.4 so I guess they'll explain it in 2.0
Bro it not n Jinzhou to the story will be back
have you ever thought that we will back to Jinzhou and Blackshore someday ? because i thought that way, they didn't make it finished and clear in one story,but they will make us back to the first place we're there
he's complaining about why wuwa won't explain to you why we need to go in rinascita. maybe we should wait a little since 2.0 will release. i know in genshin every nation will literally tell you that you should go in another country for additional info etc. but wuwa has different style, maybe for the sake of we won't left in cliffhanger. besides as far as i know abby just asleep after our fight with fallacy. all i can say is we should just wait we are literally in 1.4 what do you guys expect?? we are literally in world building arc. we still literally know nothing in solaris 3.
Personally, I think the early chapters were pretty mid, but I think it started getting better from chapter 4 onwards. I believe the Jinzhou storyline ended with the Dreamless fight and the Mt. Firmament and Black Shores storylines were essentially side stories to flesh out the Jinzhou lore.
While I get where Ryuuku sensei is coming from, saying that it's too early to go to Rinascita, but Jinzhou is the launch or beginning storyline, no different from Belobog and Monstadt, so we can expect it to be short and simple. (Pretty sure the Belobog storyline wrapped up in HSR 1.0 alone IIRC, so I think we got more Jinzhou than I would've expected.) Except for the characters that still don't have a backstory, most of the stories in Jinzhou have been covered.
I understand that Rinascita's aesthetics might not be post-apocalyptic enough for some people, but it has been years or maybe decades since the supposed apocalyptic event and people rebuild after a calamity, right? Also, if I understood correctly, Jinzhou's on the frontlines while Rinascita's relatively untouched so their aesthetics make sense to me.
I think my issue with Ryuuku sensei is that he's expressing seemingly negative takes on Rinascita when it hasn't even come out yet.
Edit1: Personally, I'm enjoying the WuWa story despite it's flaws. I think some stuff got cut because of the rush before launch. However, I'm hopeful that Rinascita will be a better story since they've had more time to prepare for it.
Edit2: I respect Cap's opinion, but I disagree about 1.3. I personally loved the Black Shores storyline. However, I understand it if she has issues with the Black Shores organization not being fleshed out as much as they could've. I think the difference in opinion comes down to which characters we like. Shorekeeper's one of my favorites so I enjoyed the focus on her, meanwhile I could care less for Aalto so it doesn't bother me if he's not in it. That said, I really do think they've already revealed a lot about the org, and we only need some side stories to flesh it out further.
playable Geshulin and Scar are anniversary banner material. Would like Geshulin to play like Saïx from Kingdom Hearts 2
Idk how people want Geshulin so bad, isn't he literally dead?
@keeichidarow supposedly. But his body was never found and that story about overclocking might be a coverup
@devinroi3886 Imo if Geshu appears again in the story he will either appear as a TD or some kind of corrupted monster or as a Fractsidus overseer.
40:00 This is very strange to rate game story. If its not the best story then its mid. What happened to good? And i personally dont like when people sums up all story patches with sub patches like its one entity. They compliment each other and nothing more.
I mean to be fair Ragunna is as bright as a fantasy medievalish setting can possibly get. It is not like they can actually put vegas in the game like how HSR did. Festivals, carnivals, masks, dancing, rich folks arguing about politics etc etc is all very posh. But there are multiple regions in rinacita itself so who knows. I guess we will see. I have honestly only seen horizon zero dawn do the pretty and beautiful post apocalypse thing very well.
I am in support of Ryuuku here. WuWa failed to deliver the post-apocalyptic feel well enough in Jinzhou and they are moving on to good weather too quickly without truly experiencing the wuthering part.
Hello, will there be more reactions to the PGR song? There are very interesting songs performed by the voice actresses.
Wuwa is a lot like demon slayer to me. Like both are basic as shit but they're both extremely entertaining in their own right. Like wuthering waves story may be average by gacha standards but it's still entertaining
Tbh he just needs to stop having high expectations of wuwa
Dude just needs to take a break.
The only story that I'm really hooked in wuwa is Encore's.
Others, good enough
Ryuuku do all that talking for the problem from he himself is a little too much talking, and half of the reason is from another game also. However there are some of Cap opinions that I don't really agree on. 1.0 became peak after 1.3, I did think 1.0 story was kind of a let down in 1.0 but 1.3 story slap me into realization that all the good part of wuwa story end in 1.2 making 1.0 a quite good start for a story. Since 1.3, characters stop give a sh!t about each other and Black Shore quest have bad story telling, even if you consider it as a romance story it still worse than a random chinese teenage girl practice writing romance story online for fun. Also I do think we need to ask for better story writing in games like wuwa, they make million from us, they shouldn't slap some mid story they made only to sell their characters which can't even show the characters back story probably onto us player
you know. IF Kuro switch 1.1 into 1.4 it would be more logical to the story. Why did they even put that story so early.
While I understand where you’re coming from. I think meeting Shorekeeper and then Jue 3 patches later would be quite awkward for the main story, since Jue can’t tell us anything more than Shorekeeper can. And in 1.1 since Jinhsi was our only point of information, we had to seek her out. If she was in 1.4 we would have a “Rover we have a situation, please come help us” moment, which does not flow that well. The flow of story from Jinhsi to Jue to Blackshore to Shorekeeper is pretty good imo.
i kinda agree with that. And because 1.0 already foreshadowing about Jinhsi, Kuro were stunlocked to tell her story.
And I also have read many stories that tells the leader as the last/peak of the story so I didn't expect Kuro even gave Jinhsi as character in 1.1.
But nonetheless, I think the story barely have enough time to reach full potential because of gacha storytelling limitation (Character basically almost dissapear in the next version if they didn't have enough corelation to the story problem).
I honestly agree with his take that the switch to Rinascita feels very sudden and not properly built up. That said, the 1.x story (likely because of the rewrites) lacked direction and suffered terribly as a result. I feel like it's probably better for Kuro to just cut their losses and start in a new region with a fresh story, almost like a soft reboot. Personally I have no real expectations for the story, I just play for the combat and the visuals at this point, but a good story would be very much appreciated. Anyway, I hope Ryuuku can take some time to look after himself, and hopefully people don't hate on him
I'm glad somebody has the same opinion, there's a reason why the "main" story from 1.1 to 1.4 were either mostly companion story with some lore, or filler event. After the dumpster fire that was 1.0 story, I think Kuro just couldn't write the story on the fly, that would just make things worse. So they played it safe, and put out very little main story, and focused on companion quests instead. And now they can finally hit the reset button and write a story that they can proudly present to us.
Its not, if you just pay attention, read the dialogue properly etc its been already hinted since Jinhsi patch that were gonna go to Rinascita, and the one who mentioned Rinascita was a old man NPC and our goal since the beginning is to find out about ourselves, now we resolve the surface story who is Rover and the Blackshores (not the their entire origin) and resolve the problems in Jinzhou, and theirs nothing they can do with ovathrax than sealing and Abby prevented Therenodians reviving it.
Its now to find out about the thing that has been with us since the beginning, aka Abraxas (Abby) that has been one of the goals because its inside Rover its part of Rover, and Rinascita is the only one who has answers which has been said since Jinhsi Patch and been repeated by Shorekeeper and just said to go to Rinascita.
What Kuro has been doing is a text book example of creating a story, they are laying ground work to give background on the chars. we got so it won't be confusing later on where they introduce something out of nowhere, and if you just realize everything is surface level how they presented the story, they don't go deep enough to make it confusing later on.
@@haruusami1831 Yes, they teased Rinascita in 1.1. So now it makes sense that we are going to Rinascita. The problem I think many people are having, is why Rinascita's such a bright and happy place. And that bright and happy place happening right now is a bit too soon for a vibe change. The vibe change should come in 3.0, not Rinascita should come in 3.0. The land of Echoes could have had a different, less happy vibe is what I'm hearing from people, not that we should have gone to New Federation instead of Rinascita.
@@Torches0307 Aka people who are in doom & gloom camp, and who are you to know what's going to happen in 3.0, or even the entire story itself? but anyways from the trailer been shown, happy place was seriously the only thing we can get from that?
Wealthy families arguing over the tragedy that happened 10 yrs ago, because of something probably something to do with the Festival itself, adding phrolova is their, some sinister upside down castle was briefly shown etc.
God people are so surface level how they view things.
And its "Post" Apocalypse not "Current", every place has different situation even Walking Dead after so long of doom & gloom branched out of telling that their are still countries that did fair better etc., and Jinzhou is just bit gloomy because they're are a FRONTLINE CITY.
@@haruusami1831 Don't be that defensive man, it's just what the people are feeling. First impression matters a lot, and it shows. This is all pre-update discussion, I feel people are free to discuss whatever they want, it's all speculative anyways. At least gives us something to talk about before the update, which will shut down all speculation once it drops. Personally, I don't feel any particular way about Rinascita being bright, and of course I know it's probably not gonna be a happy story, you brought up the points yourself. But people feel what they feel, and I don't think saying anything will sway that. You might be right and I agree with you, but people are just not feeling that way. And besides, we're gacha players, if we were smart and reasonable, we wouldn't have all the stupid drama happening all the time.
maybe the story is just too targeted for me to enjoy it haha I feel like i’m watching a harem isekai anime.. maybe cause just too many female characters that are too into rover and they shows up in the story a lot. It just lack too much diversity to make the world more believable. Hsr and even genshin, despite the ratio of male female. i feel the use all the character pretty well, bringing old character in side patches. and lots of character have interaction and relationship to other characters. I feel wuwa is a bit too focus on selling waifu. Seems like Rinacita will probably do the same thing. i see hints on how the red dress girl interact with rover. I hope the story is better, but at this point im gonna have to accept it 😂
Star Rail was a bad game since the begining
I just played to get Rappa and that was it
Thank god i don't have this problem
Ok I am just finishing the video because I left it mid way but holy your reaction is dumb. You forget things that he said just five minutes ago and say stupid things that are unrelated. The whole video he says that he dislikes the vibe of the rinascita and explains why he is drawing parallels to penacony with specific examples as well but at the end you just "why he is comparing rinacita to penacony and there is no reason to compare it to penacony". Are you for real. It is literally a subjective feeling, and he gave an explanation as to why he is feeling that way and you just say stop doing it, your feelings are wrong and don't compare it to penacony. Holy waste of time watching the video. Penacony is literally called the planet of festivities for god sake. And rinacita has similar happy vibes with hidden politics but just in medieval ish fantasy setting.
I think it’s not always a good idea to use your experience of Penacony and use that to project on other games. That’s all I’m saying
But please, call me dumb and be rude more jackass
wuwa 1.0 story was awful on launch but imo got better with 1.1 onward in story and story telling, more so telling but was still mehh. ryuuku's feelings are valid just looking at past patches but the guy might wanna step back from all the gachas he plays and maybe only play the ones he actually enjoys. like cap said, the guy should quit HSR if he doesnt like it
i know what he is feeling i hope they dont just forget about an area when a new one comes out and i hope they will return to it for more than an event unlike hoyo
what if we dont respect a red hair (ง ͠° ͟ل͜ ͡°)ง
If kuro doesnt put typo its not good and think its a trademark, its been true with pgr as well
I will stand by what i said, Hoyoverse owes this man an apology! HSR's Penacony broken him and is now carrying this fear to other games.
Maybe I'm too mentally strong, but I personally don't find Penacony nor Wuwa story THAT bad to the point I have PTSD.
The game free to dl n play not $70 to buy people expect to have godtier story man move on 😂😂😂😂 even $70 have shet story
The only thing that broke was his Keyboard, because Bro smashed the space bar instead of playing the Game or reading the Story.
i wish direction of cbt 1 which the dev s originally wanted was what 1.0 was when it came to story and the mistrust at first characters had with rover
Wait... subscribe to have seg? oh yeah
Las Vegas ruined him
In Captain's defence(about wuwa story)... It is Mid!! Hear me out, "If the story is all centered around Character & does not affect the world, for what you do as MC... is a relatively bad writing" and Yess it could have been written better. But, still it doesn't mean I'd hate Wuwa it's great. Story does have a lore, but you won't be curious in the least like Genshin & HI3 because of how the story is portrayed. 🤷🏻♂️
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We all know Cap can't be trusted with colors
Take no offense but i personally disagree with you more than him. And while i can think of many points to what you said that i disagree with, I'll short it to just three.
One, you saying that he shouldn't get interested in something he's clearly passionate about is kinda childish and dismissive. Not everyone can just be emotionally indifferent and not be attached to the hobbies that they love to do in their free time.
Two, i can think of many stories that were great but focused more on characters than the world aspects, so saying gacha games can't have good stories for that reason doesn't make sense to me. Two examples being Durarara and Seven Deadly Sins.
And three, that Wuwa's story is bad specifically because they don't give little bits of information about characters. Now I do kinda see where you was going with this statement but not everyone wants a story that's five to ten hours because everyone always gives their two cents about everything that's happening into every plot point. Some people actually like and want a more plot focus and MC focus story that's in the game and while I personally like a mix of the two, just saying the way you is fact is naive at best.
Honestly, at least Ryo-sensei understand that opinion is subjective and give a endearing take on a game he clearly loves. I don't think you did a good job expressing your love for the game nor why I should take your opinion about the game seriously at all. But I guess I do understand that you care for your colleagues so I guess there's that at least.
1) I never said he shouldn’t be interested in something he’s passionate about. You are just completely misrepresenting what I said.
I am simply stating that is a gacha game is causing someone a genuine level of personal distress, they should think about their investment into it, after all it is a game.
Saying I am childish and dismissive is a lot. I am simply pointing out that this is not a healthy mindset.
2) I never said gacha games CAN’T have good stories.. again you are misrepresenting. I said the majority DONT have amazing stories. This is my completely subjective opinion. I do not know of any gacha game I have played that offered a truly thrilling, compelling and layered experience for ME. I have made multiple videos why that is.
I do believe that anyone who claims WuWa story to be amazing narratively, when compared to all media, is quite honestly, a reach of a take. If that makes me naive and you believe it is, then we have to agree to disagree.
3) I have made my videos as mentioned previously, if you’d like to see specifics.
@captaincabinetz saying you're childish is a bit much and I'm sorry for that but saying you're being dismissive of the man's feelings definitely isn't. The whole point of his video is to give his feelings on the situation with the game and it's story and you're questioning why he's invested in the game story at all given that you thought it was "mid" or unenjoyable. That's not misrepresentation
That's like having your friend come to you saying, "I love drawing but I hate how long it takes me" and you replying " Dude don't worry about it, your art sucks anyways". That's very dismissive behavior I feel.
Also, yeah you technically didn't specifically say that gacha games can't have good stories but stating at 35:42 that "it's (the story) inherently not set up for success when it's more of a character focused game and not a story focused game" when you had already described gacha games' stories as just all character focused, how did you expect that to be taken?
Look, this is the Internet, you're a CC, I don't expect you to care but I think you rewatch this video of yours because I don't think you gave any well-thought takes on it. That's just me personally though it's fine if you disagree.
@@fearlessslayer341your analogy is completely dishonest to WHAT I am actually saying it’s it’s genuinely wild you would make that comparison.
I am NOT telling someone they shouldn’t do something they like or love. I have NEVER said that. This is just ridiculous.
If one of my friends did something that made them FEEL AWFUL - you’re telling me the right thing for me to do would be to tell them to keep going?
“Yes honey, I know you love the taste of peanuts, but you have a peanut allergy! It’s ok though, I know you love it so I won’t question it”. - this is what you want me to say.
Or maybe the best thing to do would be to”hey, maybe if it’s genuinely making you feel bad, you should reconsider the amount of investment you are putting in”
“Yes honey! I know you love peanuts, but given the fact every time you eat them, it can send you to hospital, maybe you should reconsider your exposure to them?”
Apparently, to you, this is me being entirely dismissive.
Wild
I love ice cream, so I’m going to eat 1000 tubs of it because I love it so much!
Anyone who tells me this is bad for me is just completely dismissive of my feelings and is childish!!!!!!!
Maybe, just maybe, continuing to play HSR, that genuinely gave the guy traumatic stress, is NOT a good thing to keep doing when it literally affects your real life mood and opinion on other games irrationally.
Please change the intro
Why? It fits Cap's vibes
You e Girl oh man
You are the under dog, get shited from everyone. So, would you take a huge risk or play safe? Kuro is broke as f when wuwa launched, if they take huge risk, good luck not bankrupt.
That's what I saw about kuro and wuwa. And I think the story is very mid, since I know what PGR can do.
There is almost no story at all, things are mostly character chapter.
People can't even tell what is story, all the cc I watched are just saying that they thought, it's very subjective.
Absolutely correct analysis. Wuwa is an open world rpg not some arcady single player game where story is focused on rover lol. Story should be revolve both around rover and the world as it is open world rpg 😂 but kuro sucks at story writting .
And pgr story was very bad at launch it took almost very close to 1 year for it to get good, I remember when pgr story was being laughed at when it launched for the first time in cn, WuWa is going through the same bad beginning as pgr but in a different way
If you listen to him with an open mind you’ll understand where he's coming from.but unfortunately alot of people will listen with the intent to argue.
In the end that his problem cannot blame anyone even open minded
I totally understand him, cause I have mixed feeling about 2.0.
From one side we have a lot of good stuff, massive new location, freaking flying, etc.
From another the shift of the tone, style, feeling is making we question is this even WuWa?
Rinoscita looks too old and fantasy like, compared to 1st locations and the whole setting of the world. The WuWa's world before lament was much more advanced technologically, than ours, but Rinoscita looks like 19th century in everything. Be it clothes, fashion, buildings, etc. Heck if someone showed me pictures without context, I would think Genshin's Fontaine.
And the fact they weren't affected by lament too much, should have given them more time and resources to advance and progress, than other nations, but compared to 1st locations, they look like regressed backwater town instead.....
I really hope Kuro made amazing explanation for why Rinoscita looks like this...
@@RocciaTheGreat they still would have tech and knowledge of the old world, so them looking like 19th century is stupid. They should at least have modern systems even if they would not upgrade them. You can see in trailer a freaking oil street lamps while before lament their civilization was ahead of ours.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting.
In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting.
In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting.
In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
@@RocciaTheGreat doesn't explain their 19th century BS setting.
In trailer the town is so outdated, they had oil street lamps, while before lament the civilization was ahead of OURS and just a look at 1st location with all futuristic tech is enough to point out discrepancy.
Tbh i think Rinascita is a bit early, i feel like it would be perfect in 3.0 instead of 2.0🤷
Like in 2.0 they ciuld have made an event around Chinese new year etc
But im still excited for the region and everything thats coming
Huh. Any major update starts at X.0 format.
Chinese New Year Event isnt a major update type its much a filler event.
You're suggesting Kuro to continue filler 1.X patch with only rerun characters which will be negative to profit.
Just create your own game then😅
Releasing Rinascita with the PS5 release is great timing
Sorry, I’m basically quit WuWa which is sad. I’ve been let down by this game. I was hoping it would get better. I’m sorry there are no husbands. I’m tired of women pushing themselves on me. Maybe if they cared about husband enjoyers I might care about their game.