I dunno. If I was a young fella again and I joined the Navy, I'd want to be on a Type 31 class of frigate. Seems like anti piracy and anti narcotics cruises is where the real action and excitement is. Chasing down bad guys on the high seas? Yes please. (Of course that's being said from the comfort of my air conditioned living room sitting on a lounge with a cold beer. 🍺 )
War: if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail. If we do not have frigates capable of war fighting we will have ships who’s primary use will be target practice.
Using ~£1 billion ships for counter narcotics operations in the med, anti-piracy in the Indian ocean Etc, is just not worth it. We're better off with a concentrated force of highly potent ASW frigates for CSG and high intensity war fighting, accompanied by ships such as these for use in low intensity operations such as the aforementioned, along with other peace time duties.
Spot on, should tell that to all future PM’s of the UK so they don’t decrease budgets again. Great saying: If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Amazing.
Indeed,at looking at what is being offered for £250 million I'm cautiously impressed - if they can complete at that price i'll eat my preverbial Hat !.
@@paultanton4307 A desk-dweller from BAE who shall remain nameless said. "Type 31 will be a very cheap alternative to a real frigate." Lets hope it's not another Type 21 disaster.
Lets hope common sense prevails and the T31 is capable of succeeding in its aim of capability vs costs.The T21 was a compromise yes due to the situation at the time when it was designed and built but I wouldn't call it a disaster,the Falklands War was just an environment it was never meant to be in,plus it proved very useful for NGS etc.
You need your high end warships, but to not have coastal or less capable ships to deal with the day to day business that the RN is deployed to do is plain daft. I'm glad we're building some of these 4 our navy. It's almost the same as Cruisers that some Nations deploy, something we just don't have.
The downside is when push comes to shove, politicians tell the armed forces to make do. As they did with the Type 21 frigates and the Falklands conflict. The sailors did wonders with substandard ships but at a hell of a cost in lives.
This is the first non-British designed frigate to be used by the RN in decades. - Good to see how the Danish Vikings still keep a good firm grip in English soil :)
Great video and I'm also glad the RN now have gone with the Arrowhead 140. Great design from Babcock I think there will be many surprised when this rolls out from the dock yard.
Yes my sentiments exactly, if we don't have the quantity we need the quality in terms of individual units. Some of the Russian destroyers are so loaded up it looks like half of it could fall off the side. I'd be prepared to pay more taxes if would deliver a bigger punch,without doubt.
I hope this is a case of built for but not fitted with, so some more armament and sensors at a later date. Because since they're based on the Iver Huitfeldt's they're approximately the same cost, but getting far fewer toys on our hulls. I think this is a case of costs rising and there being a hard budget so the easiest stuff to cut is weapons and radar fits, meaning the value proposition gets worse. Even if the ships end up costing £300 million each rather than £250 million, if they doubled the missile capacity, the radar range, a slightly bigger gun and sonar... at all, then but "only" costing 1/5 more, the VALUE would be better.
This sure sounds like what the US was thinking when they had the LCS build. We all know what happened with that program. The modular, flexible, inexpensive philosophy did not go so well. We are living in a very different world than when the Type 31 sounded like a good idea.
The LCS does exactly the job it's supposed to do--littoral combat. They can handle offshore patrol, anti-piracy, minesweeping etc. just fine. The Navy has simply decided that they need to be something they're not. This is a failure of planning & administration, not the ships.
I am Peruvian, yes, Perú can buy Type 31 Leander frigates or another model, and we could also buy Challenger 2 tanks from England because they are good candidates for Peru. I will not comment more on military channels. I have already stopped publishing on military channels. because I am busy, that is why I publicize in this way, now due to future wars for water and natural resources in Latin America Peru must buy all kinds of heavy military material from any country in this case English frigates and tanks I would say they are the best candidates for Peruvian armed forces, Peru used British military weapons in the Cenepa armed conflict we used British Canberra fighter-bombers It should be noted that Peru shot down 7 aircraft to Ecuador and Ecuador shot down 6 aircraft to Peru, but Peru won because we Peruvians kept territory Tiwintza, returning to the theme of the Type 31 Leander frigates England offered Peru these frigates to replace the Peruvian fleet that is made up of the lupo class, consolidating renewal and to arm the Peruvian armed forces, I understand that it can be built in SIMA PERU, and Technology transfer can be done with Bae Systems, Cammell Laird, they are partners, they won an international tender in 2020, I understand that the cost of the Type 31 Leander Frigate is 350 million dollars, the FREMM frigates The F-100 Frigates of Spain are between 850 and 900 million euros It is not 400 or 600 million euros as some say, the FREMM frigates are very expensive from 700 million or more in euros, they are also expensive a cruise ship sank a ship from Venezuela coming from Navantia Spain, that is why the best candidate for the Navy of Peru is the English frigate Type 31 Leander is modern, it has good technology for the Peruvian Navy we must acquire when there is a budget later the Type 31 Leander 1, 2 or 4 English frigates, depending on the budget that Peru has and in terms of the English Challenger 2 tanks They are good candidates for the Peruvian Army and Peruvian Armed Forces. The price per unit is 5 or 7 million dollars. Its cost is around there. It has good armor, good technology, and is considered one of the best tanks in the world. It is also expensive, but it is a good tank, I think it weighs 62.5 tons, but it has a lot of armor and it also has real combat experience used in Iraq, the important thing is that it has been used in combat I think they have 148 tanks the country Oman also uses these tanks, hopefully Peru and England reach an agreement later and a new Peruvian president buys about 60 Challenger 2 tanks this would be accompanied by the construction of hospitals and schools, the United Kingdom is also the main responsible for the reconstruction of the North of Peru by British companies. Regarding the tank candidates for Peru, all tanks, whether new or second-hand, are expensive, maintenance is expensive, the Peruvian military has already said that they will never buy tanks from Russia again, Black tanks South Korean Panthers are expensive, they are 85 million dollars and on top of that it is very expensive to pay more than necessary and they still do not export to other countries due to their high cost, French Lecrerc tanks are just as expensive everyone knows that in France nothing is cheap, after Turkish Altay tanks no because a Turk refused to sell new ships to Peru in the Pacific war Peru and Turkey have a good alliance but when it comes to buying tanks or spare parts, components there could be problems with the Turks, Merkava IV Israel no transfer technology and there would be problems in the bidding and the Abrams tank from the United States not because everyone already knows the Americans, even though you are an allied country of the United States, they impose restrictions and prohibitions to all, Peru is an ally of United States, a Peruvian ambassador named Rivera Shreiber warned the US months before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Peruvian was honored in the US now returning to the subject, that is why the best candidate for the Peruvian Army is the English tank challenger 2 Hopefully when Peru has a budget with a new Peruvian president, Peru buy Type 31 Leandre frigates or another model and name them Martin George Guisse and Miguel Grau, British Englishman George Guisse was the founder of the Peruvian Navy with Jose de San Martín The Englishman George Guisse fought against France, he also fought against Napoleon Bonaparte and later he fought against the Spanish,Another thing would also be good to buy Challenger 2 tanks and name William Guillermo Miller and Francisco Bolognesi, because the English William Guillermo Miller was the designer of the Peruvian military uniform of what is now the Peruvian Army, Miller helped José de San Martín to liberate Peru in its independence, Peru has a lot of influence, English doctrine and tradition, British Miller fought in the battle of Waterloo, and also the English Guillermo Miller fought in the battle of Junín and Ayacucho, which were very important battles for independence of Peru, here in Peru there are always magazines and a lot of information saying that the English empire supported Peru to free itself from the Spanish empire, that is, it is obvious that we Peruvians are accepting England and George Guisse as Liberators of Peru because if not in Peru we would not they would be putting a lot of information about this and would say that independence was bought, which is not the case, it is already proven that independence England and the English did many things for Peru, as I have said on other occasions, although Simón Bolívar is the Liberator of Peru, England, the United Kingdom, the English people, and Argentina and the Argentine people are also the liberators of Peru. Although it is true that Peru and England are enemies, I say this because the English, the Falklands War, the Pacific War and the Pacocha battle are almost always talked about. I am Peruvian, this is the user Bomba atomica Racso and T-Rex, go back to watch military-themed channels with this user, this will be published on military channels, the Peruvian government believes that in 1975 to 1978, the Peruvian government wanted to acquire a aircraft carrier to England when Peru could have declared war on Chile, the English government had no impediment and the English said that if they could sell the aircraft carrier to Peru, Peru had the English Canberra fighter bombers and the Hawk Hunter to attack Chile, the English demonstrated once again that Peru and England are allies, the error came later with Belaunde Terry, who put Peru in the Malvinas, which Peru should have been neutral to improve the military alliance between Peru and England. Peru must be neutral and never get involved in the Malvinas conflict again. In the Pacific War and England's supposed financing of Chile in the Pacific War, I understand that England actually financed Peru and Chile, but the traitor Prado did not want to fully arm Peru, that is why we stopped being financed by England, In fact, the Huascar ship from Peru was English, Bolivia was the only country that was not financed by the English, and England also retained two ships from Chile and Peru during the Pacific War, apparently England was neutral, also that Prado was of Chilean origin I betray leaving unarmed and bankrupt With very little weapons, we had nothing on us. Prado fled from Peru. finally england the English founded from cities, banks, companies, schools, Inca kola drink, they even made football popular in Peru among many other things, etc. Thanks to England, Peru and Peruvians exist without England, Peru would not exist, it would continue to be a colony of Spain. This is reality, everyone knows this, that is why England should be the new liberator of Peru, and make the English language official. in Peru in honor of England, Peruvians would speak in English and Spanish who knows this could happen in the future who knows because the reality is that England, George Guisse, José de San Martín and Simón Bolívar would continue to be the liberators of Peru, perhaps in the future England becomes the new liberator of Peru and history can be taught in schools and in all parts of Peru. Finally to add the British admiral Frederick Stirling, the French Du Petit Thouars, the Italian commander Labrano, as well as the ministers plenipotentiary of Great Britain and France, intervened to prevent Lima from being violently taken. You can see another support from England to Peru, in addition to Englishmen, Englishmen and Italians fought against Chilean soldiers in Lima, one or more Englishmen died in real combat and also Italians died in combat, also English sailors and Italian sailors landed due to the obvious attack Chilean. occupation in Lima, I understand that in the battle of San Juan and Chorrillos Peru used British Nordenfelt machine guns, In addition, it is all interests, in any case England supported Peru in the Pacific War I hope that in the future Peru and England improve the military and economic alliance. Greetings from Lima Perú.
Actually, they are going to be using the BAE 57mm gun used on the US Littoral Strike ships (and others). 5" is quite large and expensive for a ship that should be relatively small and cheap. And yes I did say in the vid that it was 4.5", that is what the info was at the time of making the video. Now it seems they changed that
@@RR-us2kp To be honest most nations warships now are based on "foreign designs" but its pretty irrelevant because its built domestically and so heavily modified to use better British sensors/weapon systems that it's of little relevance. The cost of the designs is cheap anyway, it's the production that is the money-maker. The UK designed Type 26 is being exported to Canada (where it'll be built by Lockheed) and Australia (built by a BAE and ASC partnership) in massive numbers. The Type 31e is based on a Danish hull adapted for the RN, but built across mulitple British shipyards. The batch 2 River class OPDs are based on a modified version of the Brazillian export variant of the original British design... I mean who designs it is irrelevant. Who builds it is where the money and the expertise is. I see no shame in producing a variant of a proven Danish design. Plenty of other countries are producing variants of British designs. All this "export" stuff is bollocks 99% of the time anyway as the ships are built by the export countries under license. The only real proper "export" orders the UK has had recently are the 3 Amazonas class OPD's for Brazil which were actually built in the UK. Unfortunately with all western countries in a similar spending position, pretty much nobody is prepared to buy export ships that aren't produced domestically these days. Who designs it is a technicality.
@@RandomNickyDee2 The real money with exports today is with the combat management system, and its software. The steel box can be built anywhere. The weapons systems are all license built as well. Nations desire to keep their defense dollars In house, at home. Furthermore about half the cost for a new warship is the combat management system...
I thought the basic Type 26 platform was around £650,000,000, around £800,000,000 fully loaded, so around $1,000,000,000. Type 31 around £250,000,000 for the basic platform.
Buying a warship that isn't equipped to fully engage in a war is a recipe for disaster, our ships may be doing xyz now, but as we all know situations change, as the saying goes, hope for the best but plan for the worst
An important thing to consider is inflation when looking at the cost of old ships, vs the cost of their modern counterparts. A type 23 in today's money would have cost double as much. Granted weapon systems cost change as time goes on and internal equipment changes can raise or lower the price of the ship depending on how and what the updates made to them are.
@@ImminentDefence That's a good point. But even if the cost of a type 23 would be more than a type 31 when adjusted for inflation, after 30 years technology should have evolved to the point of at least getting comparable performance at a lower cost. Modern smartphones have more performance than most expensive large computers had 30 years ago. But they are also much cheaper to make and own. It shouldn't cost billions of pounds to make a ship that can match the performance of a 30 year old ship.
No. Type 31 a more general-purpose while Type 26 are Anti-Submarine with great anti-air capability. Type 31 are cheap at just £250 million so are export oriented.
More T26 would have been nice to have but (a) you need a Government willing to pay for them and (b) @ £1+billion each perhaps a way could be found to build them cheaper ie use the Shipyards that will be building the T31 and see if a bit of competition can reduce costs.
I don't think you payed much attention to this video did you? That's the whole purpose of this ship class. It's designed to do the roles that the £1bn + are currently doing but really shouldn't be (AKA General Patrolling, anti-narcotics, anti-piracy Etc). These ships are designed to fill that role, not a warfare oriented role like the T45 or T26.
another 300 fighter aircraft lol we've already got over a hundred euro fighters and have 18 f35s with over a hundred more on order, how much money do you think we have?.
Hi there, I’d love to hear where I am wrong and if I missed something. Note: this video was made before the official decision on what the Type 31 what be in terms of design and weapons
Military Tour Perú: I am Peruvian, this is the last thing I am going to say about the English, Peru must tell this to the world and not wait for others to tell the story, the world is changing and more and more information is increasing in my country about the English and everything what they did for Peru, England is the mother country of Peru now I explain this because the rulers of Peru made England our enemy, she feels as if Peru betrayed Argentina that's how she feels, I hope that the same thing does not happen to any country with another country just as Peru and England became enemies I say this because almost always they talk about the English, the Malvinas war and the war of the Pacific, I am Peruvian, this is the user speaking Racso Atomic Bomb and T-Rex return to watch military channels with this user, The Peruvian government believes that in 1975 to 1978, the Peruvian government wanted to acquire an aircraft carrier England when Peru could have declared war on Chile, the English government had no impediment and the English said that if they could sell the aircraft carrier to Peru, Peru had the English Canberra fighter bombers and the Hawk Hunter to attack Chile, the English once again demonstrated that Peru and England are allies, the error came later with Belaunde Terry, who put Peru in the Malvinas, which Peru should have been neutral to improve the military alliance between Peru and England, when there is a budget in the future I hope that English Frigates Type 31 Leander can be acquired, and name the frigates Miguel Grau and Guisse because the Englishman Martin George Guisse is the first founder of the Peruvian Navy with Jose de San Martín, England offered Peru these frigates to replace the Peruvian fleet that is made up of the lupo class consolidating renovation and to arm the Peruvian armed forces, I understand that it can be built in SIMA PERU, they are partners who won an international tender in 2020, I understand that the cost of the Type 31 Leander Frigate is 350 million dollars, the FREMM frigates The F-100 Frigates of Spain are between 850 and 900 million euros It is not 400 or 600 million euros as some say, the FREMM frigates are very expensive from 700 million or more in euros, they are also expensive a cruise ship sank a ship from Venezuela coming from Navantia Spain, that is why the best candidate for the Navy of Peru is the English frigate Type 31 Leander is modern economy, it has great technology for the Peruvian Navy we must acquire when there is a budget later the Type 31 Leander 1,2 or 4 English frigates, depending on the budget that Peru has this will be when there is a new patriotic and intelligent government because with the terruco and communist of Pedro Castillo nothing is ever going to be bought, also England will build hospitals and schools in Peru we are talking about 7 million, 2 billion the United Kingdom, through a consortium formed with British companies, will promote approximately 118 projects in Peru, now Peru and England must reflect on the mistakes of the past due to the fight against Pacocha, the Supposed financing of England to Chile in the Pacific War, I understand that England financed Peru and Chile, but the Prado government did not completely arm Peru, that is why we stopped being financed by England, in fact the Huascar ship from Peru was English, Bolivia was the only country that was not financed by the English also England retained two ships from Chile and Peru during the Pacific War, apparently England was neutral, also that Prado was of Chilean origin betrayed leaving unarmed with very little weapons we had nothing on us Prado fled from Peru, it was the fault of Prado's felon who did not buy anything and did not arm Peru and the Malvinas war should also be reflected upon the Peruvian government and the English government They must improve the military and economic alliance, England financed and freed Peru in its independence, the English also founded from cities, banks, companies, schools, Inca kola drink, they made soccer popular in Peru among many other things, etc. thanks to England Peru and Peruvians exist without England, Peru would not exist, it would continue to be a colony of Spain, this is the reality, everyone knows this, that is why in all schools in Peru, all Peruvians are taught English, English must also be the new and second language. official of Peru in honor of England, Peru must be like Canada I understand that Canadians speak English and French in Peru, they should officially speak two languages, English and Spanish, Peru and England should be allies because England, the English people, José de San Martín and the Argentine people are and will continue to be the liberators of Peru today and always. The Peruvian president at the UN, Pedro Castillo tried to destroy the economic and military alliance with Israel, Russia and Morocco, Peru must be neutral and never again get involved in the Malvinas conflict. In addition, the English were war heroes and defended Peru because the English joined the Peruvian armed forces to defend the country, to add another fact is that the English Martin George Guisse was born in Gloucestershire England, a family of the local nobility was the son of Lady Elizabeth Wright and Sir John Guisse first baronet, the Englishman Martin George Guisse was the first founder of the Peruvian Navy as I mentioned and, in December 1821, he was decorated by San Martín with the brand new Order of the Sun, together with other Englishmen such as Guillermo Miller, Robert Forster and Diego Paroissien, the English Guisse rose through the ranks to officer of the British Royal Navy, where he served during the Napoleonic wars, once the war in Europe ended, he resigned from the British navy and bought his own ship to go to Latin America and participate in the wars of independence, Guisse's great-grandson is Peruvian aviator hero Jorge Chavez, After having settled in our national territory, San Martín appointed him rear admiral of the nascent Peruvian navy and participated in the blockade of the port of Callao, until it was interrupted by a Spanish naval expedition, after this confrontation was unfinished, he decided to go to Guayaquil where , after the war broke out with Gran Colombia, he fought and took the port of Guayaquil, but at the price of his life. He died in Guayaquil one night on November 23, 1828, his body was taken to Callao in Peru, in case of war England against any other country must support the Peruvian government and the Peruvian president must support England and deliver material of heavy War, give away fighter planes and send Peruvian soldiers to the British armed forces in gratitude to England because, as the British said, the British Empire financed the independence and liberation of Peru and the British also helped the Argentine José de San Martín to liberate Peru. It would be good if Peru could acquire the English frigates Type 31 Leander or some other model it would be good for the Navy from Peru, by the way my english is not very good Greetings from Lima,Perú
Not really, the Hull is based on the Iver hudfielt (I think that's spelt wrong), but other than that it will be a wholly different ship. I'm also not sure if we are buying the Hull design, or just being "inspired" by it. Either way, the Hull is certainly not the most important part of the ship, nor is it the least important however.
I left the royal navy in 1990 when we had 36 destroyers/frigates. Now we have 6 destroyers and 13 frigates. Only 4 of the destroyers have crews as the other 2 are generally in refit and only 9 of the 13 frigates have crews. It's a fucking disgrace the way out wank bastard politicians have reduced our navy to a shadow of its former self. All you get from government depts is that the RN is bigger than france/Germany ect. But we are a fucking island you bunch of freeloading cunts. And now they are talking about reducing the army down to 66,000. WTF. Sorry about the swearing but these cunts who serve at the mod in London need taken out the back garden and have a bullet in the head.
I turned the video off as soon as you started swearing. Totally childish and unprofessional. Keep your video, I don't want it presented by what sounds like a schoolboy showing off with the f.... word.
I dunno. If I was a young fella again and I joined the Navy, I'd want to be on a Type 31 class of frigate. Seems like anti piracy and anti narcotics cruises is where the real action and excitement is. Chasing down bad guys on the high seas? Yes please.
(Of course that's being said from the comfort of my air conditioned living room sitting on a lounge with a cold beer. 🍺 )
Hope you’ve got a big bag of popcorn ! 🍺🍺🍺🍿🍿🌭
War: if you fail to prepare, prepare to fail. If we do not have frigates capable of war fighting we will have ships who’s primary use will be target practice.
Using ~£1 billion ships for counter narcotics operations in the med, anti-piracy in the Indian ocean Etc, is just not worth it. We're better off with a concentrated force of highly potent ASW frigates for CSG and high intensity war fighting, accompanied by ships such as these for use in low intensity operations such as the aforementioned, along with other peace time duties.
Shall we send the bill for further £4 billion so we can have 13 type 26 to you then?
Spot on, should tell that to all future PM’s of the UK so they don’t decrease budgets again. Great saying: If you fail to prepare, prepare to fail. Amazing.
Looks like your wish has been granted, arrowhead 140 has been confirmed as the winning bid on the type 31e design
Indeed,at looking at what is being offered for £250 million I'm cautiously impressed - if they can complete at that price i'll eat my preverbial Hat !.
@@paultanton4307 A desk-dweller from BAE who shall remain nameless said. "Type 31 will be a very cheap alternative to a real frigate." Lets hope it's not another Type 21 disaster.
Lets hope common sense prevails and the T31 is capable of succeeding in its aim of capability vs costs.The T21 was a compromise yes due to the situation at the time when it was designed and built but I wouldn't call it a disaster,the Falklands War was just an environment it was never meant to be in,plus it proved very useful for NGS etc.
You need your high end warships, but to not have coastal or less capable ships to deal with the day to day business that the RN is deployed to do is plain daft. I'm glad we're building some of these 4 our navy. It's almost the same as Cruisers that some Nations deploy, something we just don't have.
The downside is when push comes to shove, politicians tell the armed forces to make do. As they did with the Type 21 frigates and the Falklands conflict. The sailors did wonders with substandard ships but at a hell of a cost in lives.
This video is exactly the kind of stuff I’ve been looking for. Someone that knows what they’re talking about! Great content!
This is the first non-British designed frigate to be used by the RN in decades. - Good to see how the Danish Vikings still keep a good firm grip in English soil :)
Great video and I'm also glad the RN now have gone with the Arrowhead 140. Great design from Babcock I think there will be many surprised when this rolls out from the dock yard.
Very interesting - but you need to work on smoother delivery - maybe practice your script first - otherwise thanks for the upload
And say "three" not "free". Conjugation.
I like this video, impressive vessel.
It’s about fucking time Canada did something for its Navy
When frigates approach the displacement of WW2 light cruisers, things are going sideways. This looks like a refreshing change.
I'll say it again if we are going to have so few ships then make sure they are armed to the teeth .
Yes my sentiments exactly, if we don't have the quantity we need the quality in terms of individual units. Some of the Russian destroyers are so loaded up it looks like half of it could fall off the side. I'd be prepared to pay more taxes if would deliver a bigger punch,without doubt.
We still have far more ships than the next biggest European navy.
I hope this is a case of built for but not fitted with, so some more armament and sensors at a later date.
Because since they're based on the Iver Huitfeldt's they're approximately the same cost, but getting far fewer toys on our hulls. I think this is a case of costs rising and there being a hard budget so the easiest stuff to cut is weapons and radar fits, meaning the value proposition gets worse.
Even if the ships end up costing £300 million each rather than £250 million, if they doubled the missile capacity, the radar range, a slightly bigger gun and sonar... at all, then but "only" costing 1/5 more, the VALUE would be better.
This sure sounds like what the US was thinking when they had the LCS build. We all know what happened with that program. The modular, flexible, inexpensive philosophy did not go so well. We are living in a very different world than when the Type 31 sounded like a good idea.
The LCS does exactly the job it's supposed to do--littoral combat. They can handle offshore patrol, anti-piracy, minesweeping etc. just fine. The Navy has simply decided that they need to be something they're not. This is a failure of planning & administration, not the ships.
I am Peruvian, yes, Perú can buy Type 31 Leander frigates or another model, and we could also buy Challenger 2 tanks from England because they are good candidates for Peru. I will not comment more on military channels. I have already stopped publishing on military channels. because I am busy, that is why I publicize in this way, now due to future wars for water and natural resources in Latin America Peru must buy all kinds of heavy military material from any country in this case English frigates and tanks I would say they are the best candidates for Peruvian armed forces, Peru used British military weapons in the Cenepa armed conflict we used British Canberra fighter-bombers It should be noted that Peru shot down 7 aircraft to Ecuador and Ecuador shot down 6 aircraft to Peru, but Peru won because we Peruvians kept territory Tiwintza, returning to the theme of the Type 31 Leander frigates
England offered Peru these frigates to replace the Peruvian fleet that is made up of the lupo class, consolidating renewal and to arm the Peruvian armed forces, I understand that it can be built in SIMA PERU, and
Technology transfer can be done with Bae Systems, Cammell Laird, they are partners, they won an international tender in 2020, I understand that the cost of the Type 31 Leander Frigate is 350 million dollars, the FREMM frigates
The F-100 Frigates of Spain are between 850 and 900 million euros
It is not 400 or 600 million euros as some say, the FREMM frigates are very expensive from 700 million or more in euros, they are also expensive a cruise ship sank a ship from Venezuela coming from Navantia Spain, that is why the best candidate for the Navy of Peru is the English frigate Type 31
Leander is modern, it has good technology for the Peruvian Navy we must acquire when there is a budget later the Type 31 Leander 1, 2 or 4 English frigates, depending on the budget that Peru has and in terms of the English Challenger 2 tanks They are good candidates for the Peruvian Army and Peruvian Armed Forces. The price per unit is 5 or 7 million dollars. Its cost is around there. It has good armor, good technology, and is considered one of the best tanks in the world. It is also expensive, but it is a good tank, I think it weighs 62.5 tons, but it has a lot of armor and it also has real combat experience used in Iraq, the important thing is that it has been used in combat I think they have 148 tanks
the country Oman also uses these tanks, hopefully Peru and England reach an agreement later and a new Peruvian president buys about 60 Challenger 2 tanks this would be accompanied by the construction of hospitals and schools, the United Kingdom is also the main responsible for
the reconstruction of the North of Peru
by British companies. Regarding the tank candidates for Peru, all tanks, whether new or second-hand, are expensive, maintenance is expensive, the Peruvian military has already said that they will never buy tanks from Russia again, Black tanks South Korean Panthers are expensive, they are 85 million dollars and on top of that it is very expensive to pay more than necessary and they still do not export to other countries due to their high cost, French Lecrerc tanks are just as expensive everyone knows that in France nothing is cheap, after Turkish Altay tanks no because a Turk refused to sell new ships to Peru in the Pacific war Peru and Turkey have a good alliance but when it comes to buying tanks or spare parts, components there could be problems with the Turks, Merkava IV Israel no transfer technology and there would be problems in the bidding and the Abrams tank from the United States not because everyone already knows the Americans, even though you are an allied country of the United States, they impose restrictions and prohibitions to all, Peru is an ally of
United States, a Peruvian ambassador named Rivera Shreiber warned the US months before the attack on Pearl Harbor, the Peruvian was honored in the US now returning to the subject, that is why the best candidate for the Peruvian Army is the English tank challenger 2 Hopefully when Peru has a budget with a new Peruvian president, Peru
buy Type 31 Leandre frigates or another model and name them Martin George Guisse and Miguel Grau,
British Englishman George Guisse was the founder of the Peruvian Navy with Jose de San Martín
The Englishman George Guisse fought against France, he also fought against Napoleon Bonaparte and later he fought against the Spanish,Another thing would also be good to buy Challenger 2 tanks and name William Guillermo Miller and Francisco Bolognesi, because the English William Guillermo Miller was the designer of the Peruvian military uniform of what is now the Peruvian Army, Miller helped José de San Martín to liberate Peru in its independence, Peru has a lot of influence, English doctrine and tradition, British Miller fought in the battle of Waterloo, and also the English Guillermo Miller fought in the battle of Junín and Ayacucho, which were very important battles for independence of Peru, here in Peru there are always magazines and a lot of information saying that the English empire supported Peru to free itself from the Spanish empire, that is, it is obvious that we Peruvians are accepting England and George Guisse as Liberators of Peru because if not in Peru we would not they would be putting a lot of information about this and would say that independence was bought, which is not the case, it is already proven that independence
England and the English did many things for Peru, as I have said on other occasions, although Simón Bolívar is the Liberator of Peru, England, the United Kingdom, the English people, and Argentina and the Argentine people are also the liberators of Peru. Although it is true that Peru and England are enemies, I say this because the English, the Falklands War, the Pacific War and the Pacocha battle are almost always talked about.
I am Peruvian, this is the user Bomba atomica Racso and T-Rex, go back to watch military-themed channels with this user, this will be published on military channels, the Peruvian government believes that in 1975 to 1978, the Peruvian government wanted to acquire a aircraft carrier to England when Peru could have declared war on Chile, the English government had no impediment and the English said that if they could sell the aircraft carrier to Peru, Peru had the English Canberra fighter bombers and the Hawk Hunter to attack Chile, the English demonstrated once again
that Peru and England are allies, the error came later with Belaunde Terry, who put Peru in the Malvinas, which Peru should have been neutral to improve the military alliance between Peru and England.
Peru must be neutral and never get involved in the Malvinas conflict again.
In the Pacific War and England's supposed financing of Chile in the Pacific War, I understand that England actually financed Peru and Chile, but the traitor Prado did not want to fully arm Peru, that is why we stopped being financed by England, In fact, the Huascar ship from Peru was English, Bolivia was the only country that was not financed by the English, and England also retained two ships from Chile and Peru during the Pacific War, apparently England was neutral, also that Prado was of Chilean origin I betray leaving unarmed and bankrupt
With very little weapons, we had nothing on us. Prado fled from Peru. finally england
the English founded from cities, banks, companies, schools, Inca kola drink, they even made football popular in Peru among many other things, etc. Thanks to England, Peru and Peruvians exist without England, Peru would not exist, it would continue to be a colony of Spain. This is reality, everyone knows this, that is why England should be the new liberator of Peru, and make the English language official.
in Peru in honor of England, Peruvians would speak in English and Spanish who knows this could happen in the future who knows because the reality is that England, George Guisse, José de San Martín and Simón Bolívar would continue to be the liberators of Peru, perhaps in the future England becomes the new liberator of Peru and history can be taught in schools and in all parts of Peru. Finally to add the British admiral Frederick Stirling, the French Du Petit Thouars, the Italian commander Labrano, as well as the ministers plenipotentiary of Great Britain and France, intervened to prevent Lima from being violently taken. You can see another support from England to Peru, in addition to Englishmen, Englishmen and Italians fought against Chilean soldiers in Lima, one or more Englishmen died in real combat and also Italians died in combat, also English sailors and Italian sailors landed due to the obvious attack Chilean. occupation in Lima, I understand that in the battle of San Juan and Chorrillos Peru used British Nordenfelt machine guns,
In addition, it is all interests, in any case England supported Peru in the Pacific War I hope that in the future Peru and England improve the military and economic alliance.
Greetings from Lima Perú.
Using 4.5" gun? i thought they were now standardising the 5" with NATO like the type 26's
Actually, they are going to be using the BAE 57mm gun used on the US Littoral Strike ships (and others). 5" is quite large and expensive for a ship that should be relatively small and cheap.
And yes I did say in the vid that it was 4.5", that is what the info was at the time of making the video. Now it seems they changed that
We're getting 5! And made in the UK ofc.
Based on foreign design
@@RR-us2kp To be honest most nations warships now are based on "foreign designs" but its pretty irrelevant because its built domestically and so heavily modified to use better British sensors/weapon systems that it's of little relevance. The cost of the designs is cheap anyway, it's the production that is the money-maker. The UK designed Type 26 is being exported to Canada (where it'll be built by Lockheed) and Australia (built by a BAE and ASC partnership) in massive numbers. The Type 31e is based on a Danish hull adapted for the RN, but built across mulitple British shipyards. The batch 2 River class OPDs are based on a modified version of the Brazillian export variant of the original British design... I mean who designs it is irrelevant. Who builds it is where the money and the expertise is. I see no shame in producing a variant of a proven Danish design. Plenty of other countries are producing variants of British designs.
All this "export" stuff is bollocks 99% of the time anyway as the ships are built by the export countries under license. The only real proper "export" orders the UK has had recently are the 3 Amazonas class OPD's for Brazil which were actually built in the UK. Unfortunately with all western countries in a similar spending position, pretty much nobody is prepared to buy export ships that aren't produced domestically these days. Who designs it is a technicality.
@@RandomNickyDee2 The real money with exports today is with the combat management system, and its software. The steel box can be built anywhere. The weapons systems are all license built as well. Nations desire to keep their defense dollars In house, at home. Furthermore about half the cost for a new warship is the combat management system...
Agreed, Arrowhead and Leander
I thought the basic Type 26 platform was around £650,000,000, around £800,000,000 fully loaded, so around $1,000,000,000.
Type 31 around £250,000,000 for the basic platform.
why the hull looks like a commercial ship?
Buying a warship that isn't equipped to fully engage in a war is a recipe for disaster, our ships may be doing xyz now, but as we all know situations change, as the saying goes, hope for the best but plan for the worst
We need anti ship anti submarine ships now
.These ships are a cut price cheap option and they cost £250m per ship not £1billion as you say.
Modular, Thunderbird 2 style...
You should do a update of this with the recent contract been confirmed
I plan to make an updated video and a bunch of other videos about stuff like War Scenarios
£250 million is not much for a warship. But the 30 year old type 23s cost less and are still much more capable than these ships.
An important thing to consider is inflation when looking at the cost of old ships, vs the cost of their modern counterparts. A type 23 in today's money would have cost double as much.
Granted weapon systems cost change as time goes on and internal equipment changes can raise or lower the price of the ship depending on how and what the updates made to them are.
@@ImminentDefence That's a good point. But even if the cost of a type 23 would be more than a type 31 when adjusted for inflation, after 30 years technology should have evolved to the point of at least getting comparable performance at a lower cost. Modern smartphones have more performance than most expensive large computers had 30 years ago. But they are also much cheaper to make and own.
It shouldn't cost billions of pounds to make a ship that can match the performance of a 30 year old ship.
Surely it would make more sense to build more Type 26 instead.
No. Type 31 a more general-purpose while Type 26 are Anti-Submarine with great anti-air capability. Type 31 are cheap at just £250 million so are export oriented.
More T26 would have been nice to have but (a) you need a Government willing to pay for them and (b) @ £1+billion each perhaps a way could be found to build them cheaper ie use the Shipyards that will be building the T31 and see if a bit of competition can reduce costs.
yes it looks like the T26 is more of a destroyer type vessel. Todays destroyers by tonnage would have been yesterdays cruisers.
It strikes me it would be much cheaper not to go to war
I don't think you payed much attention to this video did you? That's the whole purpose of this ship class. It's designed to do the roles that the £1bn + are currently doing but really shouldn't be (AKA General Patrolling, anti-narcotics, anti-piracy Etc). These ships are designed to fill that role, not a warfare oriented role like the T45 or T26.
Asking to much to fight and survive a battle ...give me a break .
Human voice but I can't hear it.
we need another fifty croziers and 2 more aircraft carers plus 900 more fighter air craft this is just basic
another 300 fighter aircraft lol we've already got over a hundred euro fighters and have 18 f35s with over a hundred more on order, how much money do you think we have?.
You are wrong in so much stuff with your description of the ship and its capabilites.
Hi there, I’d love to hear where I am wrong and if I missed something.
Note: this video was made before the official decision on what the Type 31 what be in terms of design and weapons
How can you review something that’s not even been started yet
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I am Peruvian, this is the last thing I am going to say about the English, Peru must tell this to the world and not wait for others to tell the story, the world is changing and more and more information is increasing in my country about the English and everything what they did for Peru, England is the mother country of Peru now I explain this because the rulers of Peru made England our enemy,
she feels as if Peru betrayed Argentina that's how she feels, I hope
that the same thing does not happen to any country with another country just as Peru and England became enemies I say this because almost always they talk about the English, the Malvinas war and
the war of the Pacific, I am Peruvian, this is the user speaking Racso Atomic Bomb and T-Rex return to watch military channels with this user, The Peruvian government believes that in 1975 to 1978, the Peruvian government wanted to acquire an aircraft carrier England when Peru could have declared war on Chile, the English government had no impediment and the English said that if they could sell the aircraft carrier to Peru, Peru had the English Canberra fighter bombers and the Hawk Hunter to attack Chile, the English once again demonstrated
that Peru and England are allies, the error came later with Belaunde Terry, who put Peru in the Malvinas, which Peru should have been neutral to improve the military alliance between Peru and England,
when there is a budget in the future
I hope that English Frigates Type 31 Leander can be acquired, and name the frigates Miguel Grau and Guisse because the Englishman Martin George Guisse is the first founder of the Peruvian Navy with Jose de San Martín, England offered Peru these frigates to replace the Peruvian fleet that is made up of the lupo class consolidating renovation and to arm the Peruvian armed forces, I understand that it can be built in SIMA PERU, they are partners who won an international tender in 2020,
I understand that the cost of the Type 31 Leander Frigate is 350 million dollars, the FREMM frigates
The F-100 Frigates of Spain are between 850 and 900 million euros
It is not 400 or 600 million euros as some say, the FREMM frigates are very expensive from 700 million or more in euros, they are also expensive a cruise ship sank a ship from Venezuela coming from Navantia Spain, that is why the best candidate for the Navy of Peru is the English frigate Type 31
Leander is modern economy, it has great technology for the Peruvian Navy we must acquire when there is a budget later the Type 31 Leander 1,2 or 4 English frigates, depending on the budget that Peru has
this will be when there is a new patriotic and intelligent government because with the terruco and communist of Pedro Castillo nothing is ever going to be bought,
also England will build hospitals and schools in Peru we are talking about 7 million,
2 billion the United Kingdom, through a consortium formed with British companies, will promote approximately 118 projects in Peru, now Peru and England must reflect on the mistakes of the past due to the fight against Pacocha, the
Supposed financing of England to Chile in the Pacific War, I understand that England financed Peru and Chile, but the Prado government did not completely arm Peru, that is why we stopped being financed by England, in fact the Huascar ship from Peru was English, Bolivia was the only country that was not financed by the English also England retained two ships from Chile and Peru during the Pacific War, apparently England was neutral, also that Prado was of Chilean origin betrayed leaving unarmed with very little weapons we had nothing on us Prado fled from Peru, it was the fault of Prado's felon who did not buy anything and did not arm Peru and the Malvinas war should also be reflected upon
the Peruvian government and the English government
They must improve the military and economic alliance, England financed and freed Peru in its independence, the English also founded from cities, banks, companies, schools, Inca kola drink, they made soccer popular in Peru among many other things, etc. thanks to England Peru and Peruvians exist without England, Peru would not exist, it would continue to be a colony of Spain, this is the reality, everyone knows this, that is why in all schools in Peru, all Peruvians are taught English, English must also be the new and second language. official of Peru in honor of England, Peru must be like Canada
I understand that Canadians speak English and French in Peru, they should officially speak two languages, English and Spanish, Peru and England should be allies because
England, the English people, José de San Martín and the Argentine people are and will continue to be the liberators of Peru today and always.
The Peruvian president at the UN, Pedro Castillo tried to destroy the economic and military alliance with Israel, Russia and Morocco, Peru must be neutral and never again get involved in the Malvinas conflict. In addition, the English were war heroes and defended Peru because the English joined the Peruvian armed forces to defend the country, to add another fact is that the
English Martin George Guisse was born in Gloucestershire England,
a family of the local nobility was the son of Lady Elizabeth Wright and Sir John Guisse first baronet, the Englishman Martin George Guisse was the first founder of the Peruvian Navy as I mentioned and, in December 1821, he was decorated by San Martín with the brand new Order of the Sun, together with other Englishmen such as Guillermo Miller, Robert Forster and Diego Paroissien, the English Guisse rose through the ranks to officer of the British Royal Navy, where he served during the Napoleonic wars, once the war in Europe ended, he resigned from the British navy and bought his own ship to go to Latin America and participate in the wars of independence,
Guisse's great-grandson is Peruvian aviator hero Jorge Chavez,
After having settled in our national territory, San Martín appointed him rear admiral of the nascent Peruvian navy and participated in the blockade of the port of Callao, until it was interrupted by a Spanish naval expedition, after this confrontation was unfinished, he decided to go to Guayaquil where , after the war broke out with Gran Colombia, he fought and took the port of Guayaquil, but at the price of his life. He died in Guayaquil one night on November 23, 1828, his body was taken to Callao in Peru, in case of war England against any other country must support the Peruvian government and the Peruvian president must support England and deliver material of heavy War,
give away fighter planes and send Peruvian soldiers to the British armed forces in gratitude to England because, as the British said, the British Empire financed the independence and liberation of Peru and the British also helped the Argentine José de San Martín to liberate Peru. It would be good if Peru could acquire the English frigates Type 31 Leander or some other model it would be good for the Navy
from Peru, by the way my english is not very good
Greetings from Lima,Perú
The volume of your voice is too low :)
Yup, totally agree. Was a bit nervous xD
@@ImminentDefence no worries, your content is great so no need to be nervous about.
Gee mate, write a script and read from it. Most of the information comes across as waffle despite the fact that there is some interesting information.
Bad delivery.
they copy the Danish ship. poor Danes =)
Not really, the Hull is based on the Iver hudfielt (I think that's spelt wrong), but other than that it will be a wholly different ship. I'm also not sure if we are buying the Hull design, or just being "inspired" by it. Either way, the Hull is certainly not the most important part of the ship, nor is it the least important however.
@@kimjonglongdong3158 The Britts include two additional boat bays and a different weapons fit - otherwise they are just like the Danish vessels.
End foreign.
I left the royal navy in 1990 when we had 36 destroyers/frigates. Now we have 6 destroyers and 13 frigates. Only 4 of the destroyers have crews as the other 2 are generally in refit and only 9 of the 13 frigates have crews. It's a fucking disgrace the way out wank bastard politicians have reduced our navy to a shadow of its former self. All you get from government depts is that the RN is bigger than france/Germany ect. But we are a fucking island you bunch of freeloading cunts. And now they are talking about reducing the army down to 66,000. WTF. Sorry about the swearing but these cunts who serve at the mod in London need taken out the back garden and have a bullet in the head.
I turned the video off as soon as you started swearing. Totally childish and unprofessional. Keep your video, I don't want it presented by what sounds like a schoolboy showing off with the f.... word.
Cheers Bill, yeah I was quite a bit younger back then. I don’t think I’d make the same video today
@@ImminentDefence Fair do's . Well said, in that case I'll give it a second shot !
Stopped listening when you used the unnecessary f-word.