Fake or Real Archery Equipment: Yes or No?
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- Fake or Real Archery Equipment: Yes or No?
Hi everyone. Archery today. I guess there will be a lot of comments for this one.
Fake equipment is being sold more and more. Some companies are copying and re-naming items. Is there a place for either? In this video I give you my thoughts and discuss what is out there.
Very contentious subject so let me know your thoughts. I do know some will say no straight away but others will have a different opinion.
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You have to also remember that most of these companies that are making these "fake" versions are the ones that are actually manufacturing them for the big brands under license. Its very easy to run a CNC and produce a version of the product and put different branding on it. Albeit the quality control might not be the same on the fakes, but it is still essentially the same product minus the name.
Very true. Lots of the big brand are moving production to the far east as costs are so much cheaper there. As you say, if you have the correct machinery (CNC equipment, which is usually the biggest cost, apart from personnel) you can make virtually anything, over and over, so if the raw materials are cheaper in one country to another, it's just common sense to move to that place to produce your goods.
100% agree with your comments. I'm very new to archery, living in a third world country so I have very limited access to brands and top shelf parts and accesories.. Here in Peru (where I live), basically there are no stores, no suppliers, no nothing. So eiter we import the cheaper brands from China, or we import from US. So imagine how costly it would be for me to purchase a full Hoyt set of riser + limbs (please consider the importation fees, the exchange rate, etc.)
But here is the deal. If you are starting a new sport, you are not looking for the prime gadget to discover your passion. I bought a Junxing H7 as well, and it fits me greatly. Maybe in the future I can invest in a more consolidated brand. However, for beginners to mid level, brand such as Junxing are a great and viable alternative.
Great to hear from you and totally agree with everything you say. You may even find that some cheaper brands shoot just as well as the big name brand equipment.
It's tricky - I'm sure the reputable brands reverse engineer each other, but tend to change the 'trade dress' at least.
I've personally benefited greatly from Chinese gear (eg Sanlida limbs) but I'm sure there has been some questionable practices in terms of IP in making them!
Totally agree. When you look at equipment today, so much of it is so similar. And yes I think some things are a bit "questionable".
I have bought the TBow H7 too. I had it laser aligned and according to the person who did the aligning, the riser is not straight. However, since the laser was mounted to the sight bolt holes, i think it might be a deviation in the design of the riser. I think the area where the sight is mounted might not be exactly flat.
We also checked on a Hoyt Xceed and there the alignment was good with the same laser.
So what i want to ask is: Did you notice anything being "not straight" on the riser?
Oh and the TBow H7 is not an exact copy. There is a little difference in the top limb-pocket. It is rounded where the bottom one is straight. On the Hoyt Xceed both pockets are straight. Also the "spine" of the riser fades out a little earlier on the top pocket than on the Hoyt.
Not laser aligned mine. I shoot and set the sight so my arrows hit where I aim. Everything else feels, looks, and shoots straight. I am very happy with it for the price.
@@brookvalleylife724 I'm very happy with it too. I wouldn't have been able to buy the hoyt. It's just that everyone is trying to prove the TBow must be a sub-par product. But personally i don't feel any difference between the TBow and the Hoyt while shooting.
Totally agree. Plus from what understand alot of the hoyt risers are made in China and the Philippines.
Most of my gear are used. It’s the only way I can afford mid range parts. I lucked out & got a few higher end parts due to it being sold as a kit (planning to sell of the extra parts)
My sympathy for people looking to get into any sports with a high buy-in price.
One alternative is to be in a club. Members will sell off old gear for cheap (sometime).
Club way is good. When I was in the UK I managed to get some good deals on Ebay, but now in NZ the prices are just crazy for new and second hand. Thats why I look offshore.
Innovation will decline if too many people just buy clones. If i can afford it i buy the original but that´s not always the case.
True, but when it comes to price, some people can only afford so much, so a good alternative.
I totally agree with you, I don't think other companies should use the original name, but a copy of something that is much cheaper is fine by me. I feel Hoyt is very over priced and you buying a knock off makes you smarter and saving money, it's a win-win situation. Good luck with your new set up. Take care.
Cheers Rob. Apart from not shooting the last 3 weeks due to injury and really bad weather - Video about it coming soon- the set is working great.
you could also argue that the mybo wave series is a hoyt xakt copy, except that they bothered to make 23 & 27 models aswell. I really don't mind since hoyt is fairly overpriced by a large margin as are most of the big name companies. And most are outsourced parts from china/korea/other asian countries anyways and produce very little in house to keep profit margins as high as possible.
There is a chanchee that the fake VAP's are rejects due to error in printing, wich these days is pretty realistic actually hahah. If it was just a blatant cashgrab copy you'll definatly be able to tell down the road.
Pandarus is doing the same but unlike easton they actually seem to finetune their product according to the feedback they get from testers & clients.
A better question i believe is where the chinese companies will take it. Once they start doing their own thing rather then use the same tried & proven designs we might actually see something new in the world of archery.
I didn't know about the Mybo. Good to know. I have seen the pandarus and wouldn't mind checking them out. From what I have seen online they are pretty good. I like the Skylon arrows. Cheap and great product. Good to hear your views as well.
I’m sorry but I disagree. I understand there’s a market for entry level equipment and I think it’s great that companies like Sanlida are stepping in providing decent gear for beginners that’s reasonably priced. If TBow is so good with making archery products why can’t they do the same and come out with their own design of a riser like every other brand? Why do they have to copy also the branding from Hoyt by using the same colours and fonts that Hoyt does not only on the riser but also on the packaging?
Looking at the replies, it shows that this is a controversial topic. Now that Jake and Steven Hann have stepped into the ring shows that there are two sides to the story and lots of opinions.
I refuse to pay the prices for most traditional bows out there. Just too damn expensive and like many already know, most top brand archery bows are made at the same overseas factory that the much cheaper knockoffs are made at!
I swear by China bows and love them ... I have 9 of them and not one of them cost me over $125.
Even the price of arrows are out if control anymore!!! You don't have to spend a lot of money to have a good time shooting trad bows. Now if your making a living with your archery, and supporting your family by it ... Well then that may be a little different.
And if course some people are blessed with extra money they don't know what to do with. For them, God bless em pay for too shelf equipment and have a great time. Me, I don't have a lot of extra money to burn.
Great to see a fellow bargain hunter. I haven't really touched on arrows yet, but I will. Even some of the well known Chinese brand are getting stupidly expensive now. If I were to own a shop I guess I would try to stock some of these Chinese brands. Due to the amount of beginners, you would sell alot, and everyone would be happy...
@@brookvalleylife724 I agree 💯 percent with ya. Those cheaper China bows would fly off the self!
And if you really want to talk about a rip off ... How about bow quivers?!!! Can you believe people pay $150 to strap or click on something that holds a couple (usually 5) arrows on your bow???? To me that's insane! I got 3 of them from Wish for about $10 each and guess what? They do the exact same thing as a $150 bow quiver does! They may not be leather, but they aren't bad either ... You can even paint them, or put camo tape on them ... I did videos of them and they look just as good as any hight priced quiver!
Anyway God bless!
My final opinion towards Chinese manufacturers: you should invest the effort in creating your brand. Nike STARTED out of a trunk or boot of a car.
Maybe a possible strategy is to sponsor 2nd tier countries or 2nd tier archers. I’m willing to sign a contract to use their brand (AFTER determining the equipment meets a Hoyt or WinWin standards) for a few national tournaments.
Maybe petition China Gov to not allow their national team to use top archery brands, only using domestic Chinese brand.
Hoyt is more & more becoming a status symbol rather than a bow brand, kinda like iPhone
Everytime they release a new product, those fanboys get rid of their still fine equipment and upgrade the their so called 'latest & greatest'
As for Chinese products, some honest brands such as sanlida & topoint produces good quality bow, which is fine, but those who makes exact copies are clearly breaking some kind of copyright law or something
sini pun cikgu
ok cikgu rasanya kalau nak ambil junxing H7 ok tak atau ambil W&W CX7
@@khanswaren2959 cx7 💪😍