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Does Weight really matter in an inflatable wing?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Matt Nuzzo puts our lightest and heaviest wings to the test, comparing the Ocean Rodeo A Series Glide and the Reedin SuperWing X.
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I totally agree, light wing weight is nice when luffing and in very light wind but it often comes at a price- namely less durability and power. I find it's also important how heavy the wing "feels" when flying it, I find that a well balanced wing is easier to handle regardless of the weight.
Comparison is difficult because the OR Glide wings are arguably the best shape/design AND the lightest wings so there are multiple variables. For example, the OR Glide wing would still be a top 5 wing even if there was no aluula in it at all, it's just a really great shape w/excellent attention to details (perfect windows, great handles when repositioned, nice profile, nice front handle design, etc)
Agreed. Wing design has the most to do with how a wing performs. I feel design is much more important than material or weights.
Right, more than weight, that Aluula wing is the right shape and stiff AF. It makes the 6M a weapon. Those two factors are what sold me on OR Glides rather than shaving off weight that wasn't much of a concern in proper wind anyway.
Thank you so much for the honest & objective review.
thank you for another HONEST review
I have the glide S series in 5m. haven't had wind to try it again since moving handle positions. Love it's lightness though, a 7 in the full Alula would be awesome. The Reedin will come into it's own under 4m I think. Bigger wind, wave situations, smaller wing so less weight penalty. I have an Ensis V1 6m and that thing feels heavy, inefficient as soon as the wind gets stronger. Light wind its great, but much heaver than the O.R. glide.
Adding a bit more, I've had a couple of sessions on it now with the handles fit in the tighter positions. Yesterday was super gusty and a guy about my weight was out on a PPC 2.8. I wanted to find the overpowered handling so I took my Glide 5 out. 114kg of me on a 1400sq cm foil. flexy titanium fuselage. Wind ranged from almost squalling to small pockets of almost nothing. The tighter handles certainly make a big difference. Not to cruising, but to pumping. in the lulls and especially with the flexible fuselage, the glide's pumping speed increase was dramatic. I was able to combine the sweep of the O.R. Glide with a swoop of the board using the flexible fuselage to work really well together. It wasn't pleasant when over powered, so much wing but the only time it was ever out of control was from freak gusts switching direction suddenly or hammering me. Generally, just move the hands more to the front of the long handles and it's a much more sedate wing. Move the hands back and there's extra power to pump up on foil.
Here is some physics that I was just thinking about.
Say your wing needs to fly at a 45° angle to have enough lift to fly. That means half of the wings potential energy is being used to pick it up while the other half is being used to pull you forward.
Say your wing only needed to fly at 88° to stay aloft, thats 95% of the potential being used for forward motion.
That means the lighter weight the wing, the more power will be accessible.
Ahh pysics
Another informative Video. I would like to see one on Wing Handles (ie. positioning, ability to control roll, ease of transitions, bare hands vs gloves, etc.) On a side note great to show Wingfoiling wearing a helmet. It should be standard kit as it is with White Water Kayaking
The funny thing about handles is that you can ask ten people what their favorite handle set up is and you will get ten different answers. 😂 Good idea. We will put some thought into it.
I started wearing a helmet cause was getting headaches after sessions from hitting the back of my head on the water. The helmet solved that and the Gath Neo seemed to be the best and lowest profile. Not the best protection but takes the sting out of the wipe outs.
Interesting, I’ve only had Armstrong wings that definitely don’t tick the “sexy” look and do seem “over built” but haven’t been able to talk myself into buying anything else yet as we are 2yrs in and the wings are still as good as when we bought them.
That is the benefit of buying a great wing from the start. Some other wings have had to come a long way to get to where Armstrong and some of these other brands are at.
Yeah the Armstrong A Wing v2 is my baseline for comparison for how well other wings work. Armie nailed it with that one.
So, I guess Reedin needs to start using Aluula and OR needs to use the new canopy material. Works for me. Also, the Aluula material is way more durable than Dacron. I think that my OR Aluula Flite canopy material will crap out way before than the Aluula frame.
Yes the aluula is really strong and has been holding up well for us in the school with long term use and abuse. This was meant to be more of a general video about how weight effects the wing performance. Reality is…. If a wing is designed well you won’t notice the weight that much.
40 ya when we started windsurfing at the beach we would sail around in open water like this. It wasn't long until we just stayed in the wave zone. Light wind was no longer a thing and 15 kt was a minimum. Durability of the sail was far more important than weight. I'm guessing thats the way this will go.
Great comparison👍. Anything you could add about going upwind? They both probably are pretty good in upwind performance, which has more to do with the shape than the weight. How about speed?
Thanks
Upwind has way more to do with shape than weight. In the case of these two wings, the Reedin points slightly higher into the wind.
but what about rigidity? I think that OR shape and Aluula help it run upwind like a bandit. My 6M full Aluula is one of the best behaved cutting way too far upwind.
And what about the use in light winds? I mean hard to start foiling winds, small summer breezes of 7-8 knots. My impression is that a light wing can be a game changer, or not?
YES! Inland laker -northern Indiana, NO wind.. My heavy 1st year wing wears my (damaged) shoulders out quickly when there's not enough wind to create the lift that makes the weight disappear. Combined with padding upwind it wears me out quickly.
Still, I'll just point it out that price difference between those two wings is almost 2 times.
Aluula 5m is $1799. Reedin Super Wing X 4.7m is $1449.
great review! Thx
nice tape job on the car :)
😂 Duct Tape saves us out here at the beach.
Good info, thanks. Also is the cove fun on a SW? I'm guessing that was the spot/direction.
So good, and you see the crowds (or lack of) in the video, pretty dreamy
Hey Robert. The Cove proper is kind of done. The point has shifted over the last two years so it is smaller and hooks around to the north. The south side of the point is really east west facing and has a ton of current and chop.
This was to the right over Billy Mitchell ramp down by the airport. It’s really fun on small SW days for winging. Warmer water in the winter time too. Hope to see you out there.🤙
Weight is a huge issue for smaller riders and women. It becomes to heavy to hold up during slugging sessions.
Yes agreed that weight does really effect smaller riders a bunch. That being said, I tested a prototype wing this week in light air. It is the heaviest wing I have used by 1 lbs. once it is pumped up and in your hands, it feels lighter than any other wing I have used because it has so much lift and is balanced right. So crazy.
What's an average size for learning and improving?
It really depends on your weight and wind conditions. 5m is generally considered and average size wing. It is similar to a 12m in a kite quiver.
@@REALmattnuzzo yes big variables there. Light wind, inland lakes, we need 6 and 7's to be able to use boards at all. High wind area and you might use at 3 or 4
Just need more wind.