The CAR WIZARD shows why it costs and arm and a leg for a Timing Belt replacement
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- The CAR WIZARD 🧙♂️ walks you through all the steps required to replace a timing belt on a 2013 Honda Accord EXL and explains why this repair costs so much more than a Serpentine belt replacement.
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“Honda’s are reliable, but that doesn’t excuse it from regular scheduled maintenance “ PREACH BROTHER
More reliable without maintenance than BMW, Audi and Mercedes with meticulous maintenance.
@@RodrRodr-tx5lq not when the timing belt breaks
@@yamkaw346 that is a totally different video
@@ega0117 It was very relevant to the comment I was replying to. Even Honda’s need maintenance
I watched a video explaining why you shouldn't listen to the dealer when they say you don't need to change the oil every 4k miles. Went into detail of how stop and go traffic causes the oil to wear out, how not driving the car very often can also cause the oil to wear out... Things they don't tell you at all. If you go to a small town mechanic and he suggests changing your oil every 4000 miles you should probably do it. Especially with how manufacturers use the thinnest oils they can get away with in the pursuit of gas mileage. I usually get my oil changed when the computer tells me I have about 20 percent life left because i got one of the CRV's that have been known to have gas leak into the oil.
My Dad's an electrical engineer, really smart guy. Refused to pay for it and changed the timing belt himself, was a 90s Camry. It took him like three days and at the end of it he said he wished he had paid for it. Said it was incredibly difficult and then had anxiety from that point on that it hadn't been done right.
Timing belts, especially 90s Toyota timing belts are the easiest to work on. I'm sure your dad, who probably took electrodynamics in college has seen worse
This work in the usa is RIP OFF 10 times plus the cost in the UK
Its Ironic isn't it! My grandfather worked for GM and designed parts for cars. The irony is that he had no idea how to work on the car as a whole. Its pretty funny actually and I love telling that story.
@@MrShepardDog as far as doing timing belt work here at the shop, PT cruisers are the worst of the worst lol. I actually have another one at the shop I'm putting back together. I was surprised how the engine was still in the car. Every single engine mount was broken in it. But customer will be happy once their car is back on the road again, that's what matters.👌
@@samuelboyd972 interesting. Years ago, my Uncle who was @ the time a Technician with Nissan, would change my timing belt @ no cost for my Nissan Z. I would provide all parts (genuine Nissan). Of course I would pay him somehow. I remember he would tell me to get the job done @ Nissan was not cheap. My current shop charges around $400. for labor. I provide the parts.
I changed the timing belt in my T-Bird Turbo Coupe and was shocked at how easily I was able to change it. A friend of mine needed his TB changed on a more modern car, so I confidently checked the online how-tos, read about three steps of the process, turned my computer off, and told him to go to a dang mechanic.
I did the same job on my svo, had no issue but it kept hopping a tooth until the tensioner was finally set properly.
Yup.
😂😂
Yeah those limas are soooo much simpler lol
@ shinola That's because the 4 cylinder Ford is an external belt. Most belts take many hours just to access the internal belts.
I knew nothing about cars or mechanical stuff and my first car needed timing belt change service which I didn’t have the money for. Downloaded service manual, asked a friend for tools and did the job myself. Yes, took me full fifteen hours, but I did it and it was even not that hard. Hard was to reach to those hard to reach places. If you follow step by step and think twice before you do each move making 100% sure you understand, you’ll be sweet. Just don’t rush it.
This is actually a public service message about the infamous timing belt / components / water pump /replacement job and it’s expense. Anyone that gave this video a thumbs down is in TOTAL DENIAL. I’ve personally seen the destruction of engines from timing belts that snapped from not being replaced at recommended intervals and engine damage done from IMPROPERLY installed timing belts from shade tree mechanics that may have had good intentions, but the end result was disastrous. Listen to the Wizard here. He’s telling you guys the truth. If your car has an engine that is known as an “interference engine” and utilizes a timing belt, FOLLOW THE FACTORY RECOMMENDED SERVICE INTERVAL TO AVOID SEVERE ENGINE DAMAGE. The price you pay your mechanic will be nothing compared to replacing a destroyed engine. Thanks Wizard, I pray you and Mrs. Wizard and your family and friends stay safe and sound during these scary times. God bless.
Also, when purchasing a second-hand car check whether the car has a timing belt and if so, whether it was replaced on schedule. If the seller does not have evidence on paper of the replacement...walk away or add the cost of having it replaced right away to the cost of the car. Lots of people decide they'd rather just sell their car rather than have the job done properly.
@@Landrassa1 To be fair, most of the work and cost of doing the timing belt is getting to it. If you're doing an engine swap it'd be the perfect time to throw in a timing belt, it'll never be easier!
@Peto Pedro Depends on the car. Some are easier than others. It costs me $1200 to do a timing belt on an 2007 V6 Accord. It's cost me much less on other cars.
I paid the dealership to do this work on my accord I had 75k miles and 7 years. I did not want to take chances that I could go longer. All other work I take it to my regular mechanic. I change the oil, filters, battery myself.
I've seen a timing belt break < 1000 miles after the owner missed his recommended maintenance schedule.
I had two cars snap timing belts on me in one month.i was completely ignorant to what it even was at the time 😭 .I learned the hard way so really good video wizard to many people just don't know
Timing belts don't snap unless something went catastrophically wrong with the engine. What they do is skip a few teeth due to age and hardening of the rubber. This is what wrecked your engine.
@Benjamin The chains can stretch and eventually need replacement especially on OHC V8 engines due to their extra length and use of things that can break such as guides and tensioners.
I have a 2001 Saturn LW300 that I bought new.
The 3.0 liter engine is notorious for snapping belts.
Still own it and it has 386K miles and it still runs and drives fine.
Saturn recommended 100k belt changes.
I ALWAYS replaced them at 75K intervals.
My neighbors had a Volvo XC9O and thought timing belt changes were too expensive and drove and drove.
The belt snapped and destroyed the engine on Chicago's Kennedy expressway during rush hour traffic in -15F weather.
The car wasn't paid off so the still had to make payments.
They ended up putting a $6000.00 used engine in.
I had purchased a car from a wholesaler online once that blew the timing belt 2 weeks after I started driving it. Broke one of the camshafts clean in half and had to replace one of the heads because of bent valves. The motor was a Dodge 2.5L 24 valve v6, I hate these engines now. I've had another since and they're nothing but trouble, and even worse they're slow as all hell. And if you needed another reason to hate this engine family, it was the foundation for the infamous 2.7L Dodge v6.
@@Flies2FLL ,
also using the old tensioners again, trying to save money ?
Watching videos of mechanics that take pride in their work and understand actual customer service give me hope for humanity.
yup, I understand.... Sometimes I listen while I'm driving to combat the nonsense that is everywhere now. His conversation is a big reason also. Sanity I suppose, until I heard him speak about social distancing. mehhhh!!!!
The problem is where you are going to find an honest mechanic
Absolutely!👌
My 1997 Celica GT needed its belt replaced, and the kit/labor cost me $900. That price also included my AC getting recharged, new spark plugs. I can tell this man's garage does professional work. Great video!
As a retired mechanic I have preached till I’m blue in the face! I’ve been called crook, thief, robber, and shyster! All most people know about their cars is “Stick the key in and turn it.“ They don’t know, and they don’t want to know! Despite my repeated warnings to change timing belts people have ignored me. Until the day comes that they hear a horrendous metal banging noise and their car shuts off. They call me to come take a look and I say (sarcastically) “Congratulations! You now own a boat anchor!“
As a 44 year auto mechanic I absolutely agree with you. And that Honda TB should have been done at 100K. He was lucky everything stayed together 😏💸💸💸
I spent most of my 20s in a mechanic shop as a second job. Learned alot. People dont listen to the guy who works on cars. I find it amusing how smart people think they are about a subject they know nothing about. When a mechanic tells what car to buy you should take it to the bank. But as my old mechanic said, I tell them my honest opinion so they dont do it and keep me in business.
Not a big deal, I am not a mechanic by trade, but I can do basically anything not requiring very special equipment. I have even overhauled an engine. I have not made any costly mistake, ever. I have saved thousands of dollars, because I have never paid a dollar to fix my cars...ever.
@@Kevin19700 On a Honda (OR Toyota) you can push that to 150Kmiles, no sweat. If Ford can go 150K miles in their ECO-BOOST engines, Honda and Toyota can do the same!
@@TheOzthewiz what BS. How biased are you?
You have a perfect calming voice to explain to the public. This is something I had to learn as a service advisor, you have to explain to the customer. If you give them a heads up before it is time, then it's not a surprise and they're ready for the expense if you have the chance.
I've been watching a few videos and I've found them to be quite informative and unbiased. Thank you for what you do. You're teaching an entire generation of car owners important concepts without cutting off newbies.
Right on advice. I just had our 2007 Santa Fe (2.7L V6) done - for the SECOND TIME - at just over 200K miles. Timing belt, water pump, also included a coolant flush/refill, and I also had them do the transmission flush and check the spark plugs. He said the engine sounds great - I plan to keep driving it for another 75K at least!
I did my own timing belt thanks to the school of UA-cam 😁
On a 1994 Toyota Celica, you CAN replace the timing belt in a Saturday afternoon. Just ask Scotty Kilmer!
@@TheOzthewiz Rev up your engines
I’m sure it runs great 😂
Americans mecanics charge too much mexicans mecanics for 350 change the belt in 1 hour piece of cake
I wish with my car. MK6 Jetta with the 2.0 non turbo. It's been relatively reliable but it's incredibly difficult to get any information on much for the car. Even at the dealership the mechanics don't generally know what fuse controls what component, they keep everything secret and proprietary.
i managed to do my 1st timing belt last week after years of toying around with the car,just building confidence up and concentrating hard.
Building up confidence is a LOT easier if you have "plan B" (back-up vehicle)!
@@TheOzthewiz true lol
I find it nice to be a member of a DIY car repair shop where there are more experienced car people to be able to help me. Of course I do my homework so I do have a plan on how to do it. But, you know, when setting the valve clearances it is really nice to have someone to show you the amount of resistance you should feel with a feeler gauge for a properly set valve.
But sure not everyone who claims they are well experienced on working on cars are so in reality. Once you study a repair topic you can easily tell whose advice is strongly contradicting the official procedure and I will completely discard their advice and prevent them from "helping" me.
@@TheOzthewiz dude you speak truth. And yes if you have a back up car. Unfortunately I dont lol so my confidence in working on my only car is borderline paranoia
SE45CX slight drag on the feeler gauge and you’re good to go.
Great timing on this video, Wizard.
Buh-dum *tsss*
Allan C-B and the Wizard has another video under his belt.
This is my favourite comment today. Good work.
@@davidhanesworth8027 Why I otta belt you
After watching this I have made an appt. To have my 2012 Accord V6, 87,000 miles timing belt done at the Honda dealership. They get great reviews. I know it will be money well spent thanks to you. I was planning on waiting for 100,000 miles but realized my error in not figuring in the age of the belt. They also told me the water pump maintenance change out was 200, 000 miles. I told them to do it anyway. I also will ask for the used parts with the packaging from the new parts to be returned to me. Trust but verify. Thanks for your knowledge.
How much total
Labor xxx money
Parts xx money
Timing belts and head gaskets are fun to replace on Integra engines, I did it in front of other peoples homes a couple of times
Thanks for the great video!
My first real exposure to Timing Belts was when my friend had her's break on a 2001 Honda Accord. She had to get a new Engine. Then I bought my 1st car (a used 1994 Honda Accord EX) with no service records, and thought I could have someone look to see if I needed a new Timing Belt. The folks at Vandergiff Honda in Arlington TX told me they'd have to take it apart, and if they did that, they may as well replace it along with the other stuff you talked about. So they did that (at about 160,000 Miles, lucky me!) and did a very good job. Took about 8 hours!
I have a 2004 civic with 300,000 on it!! It’s about to get its third timing belt and water pump kit. I bought the car new. I recently just bought a 2019 Honda accord touring 2.0.
that thing is a beast!
Which has a timing chain...
I’ll bet it’s not the original head gasket
how much does 2019 accord cost Out of the door?
Huynh Vu I paid in Nov. 30,295 + 2480 in taxes. The MSRP was 37,000. It has the 10 speed automatic transmission! 2.0 Turbo.
I did my first timing belt replacement on a Ford Pinto engine from 1971 when I was 16 years old, many years ago. Since then I always done it my self. A good excuse to get tools :)
I’ve never met a mechanic with this ability of continuous speech. Not mentioning really comforting voice. Thumbs up.
The more I listen I to him the more I hear the classic narrator of the old 1930s black and white engineering videos at the back of my head.
I'm not sure its the accent or the words per minute pace matching up but its something, and it really catches my interest.
@chris jones and the fact that he works on all sorts of complex vehicles. I wonder where he'd rank on a "100% accurate IQ test" (those don't exist but just pretend they do)
Right! Its crazy that he can talk so continuously yet his words are meaningful. He could just be blabbering on but he's actually got a point in everything
He's really good I'll give him that.
I dont know if any of you guys have seen Bob Ross but thats who he reminds me of 😁. Except he's a painter of automotive and has a lot less hair😆
on a interference engine this is like a heart surgery.
I couldnt have said it better myself. I just commented that I've seen way too many people end up with bent valves. Lol
Ryan Coldiron I just done mine heart surgery on a Volvo 740 new head etc bent valves the whole shebang , my fault ouch my wallet hurts lol.
Why not steel chain timing?
@@shawnb1774 Belts are cheaper for the factory to get the cars out the door faster
@@shawnb1774 Belts are also slightly more efficient. Less rotational mass with a belt and less mechanical resistance on a belt with pulleys vs chain and gears. Chains are still the way to to go. IMHO.
15:15 A buddy helped me change my 1989 timing belt back in the 90's and I knew I never wanted to attempt that job alone.
ALF Raydough even chains need te be replaced sometimes..
@@MegaDraadloos only if you use cheap oil and your engine is stressed all the time. Chains done right last, just ask my first c klass with 2litre inline 4 and 650.000km++ on the clock.. The gearbox breaks before the engine does
TIMING BELTS A SERVICE BULLSHIT AND NOT PREMIUM FEATURE
@ALF Raydough Timing belt vehicles are better and they're not hard to change at all because they're considered a wear item, where as there are dozens of timing chain engines with faulty designs that lead to timing chain needing to be replaced and because it was not considered to be a wear item when the engine and vehicle was designed it's a pain to change.
@ALF Raydough The timing-belt job on my non-interference '96 Camry four isn't so bad. But I got that car for free. Don't want anything with a V6!
Guys. Chains aren't wear-proof. yea they will last way longer. but they still have to be replaced. plus the crappy plastic guides end up wearing out every 100k anyway. so you'd have to get in there anyway. Almost no car is exempt from shitty plastic guides.
Just finished the timing chains, guides, tensioners, and everything else on my VQ37VHR and it was certainly the most stressful DIY job I had ever completed.
Wasn't in their explicitly for the timing chain but for an unfortunate oil pressure gasket. But since I was there at 236,000 mi might as well
@@MrShepardDog well thank you for the PSA. You should try the replacement yourself; it's more enjoyable. BTW, VQ37VHR is not a Honda. Tis a Nissan engine and equiped with a timing chain system. Much more durable.
I did my 1991 Honda Accord timing belt changed 5 times and clutch three times by myself. I know how much I could save and time consume. The main point is knowledge, don't argue with technicans if you don't know the difficulty.
Thanks for pumping out the content. It makes being homebound much easier!
I’d also check the cam and crank seals while it’s all torn down and replace them if they’re bad.
This is where you can throw the timing into death zone. Always be careful, And use a strap wrench.
I’d also replace the pistons while I’m that far into it.
@@ricky-sanchez typically the cam and crank pulleys are keyed on to the cam and crank, making it impossible to misalign them. Still a good idea to mark them though
@@SGcomputing haha. Let me introduce you to Volvo car engines, especially the 1999 - 2003 engines with their first generation VVT.
I just changed the timing belt on my wife’s Honda Odyssey. I agree with wizard, you really have to pay attention when taking the belt off and putting the new one back on. The biggest issue I had was getting the crank pulley volt off. Now that thing is tight.
Yeah, but I learned a trick on UA-cam- crank the engine and the bolt will come right off. That kid with a long breaker bar jammed against the ground.
For a crank bolt. Buy an impact wrench. I took mine off with cordless impact driver. a DRIVER not a WRENCH that I rented from AutoZone....it worked but was overheating and had to let it rest several times in between so took longer and is clearly not the tool for the job. I later put it back on torq Dd to the correct foot lbs and retook it off with a impact wrench.
Dude, this video was so informative to me. The basics of how engines work is like rocket science to the average guy so something like this really makes things make sense.
I'm a diy guy my self. I did my own timing belt for under $50 and it took my 12 hours to do. most of that time was spent looking for the right tools. it's really not that hard. I saved my self like $1200.
How'd you learn to do it ?
It's easy to save money when you can park the car and take your time but man does it suck for the business that has to shut off a bay for 12 hours is losing $1200 (assuming $100/hr).
I replaced a few Timing belts from Honda/Acura and Toyota. If you're mechanically inclined, Have the tools and a repair manual vehicle maintenance is not hard.
Amen brother !!! It's not a rocket science.
Well no, how can you save $1200? It took YOU 12 hours. Time is money, you are simply horrendously devaluing your time.
I had a 62 Ford Galaxie with a 390 Thunderbird engine with a four-barrel carburetor. At ten years old, the timing chain broke, and my mechanic was able to knock it out in a few hours time. Timing chains are far superior. Also, my 87 Toyota pickup had a timing chain (the 22R engine), and never had to do anything to that engine except change the oil and filter. Sold it 13 years later, and as far as I know, it is probably still running.
My 4 month old daughter loves watching the car wizard!
:)
Awww!!! That’s so cute!
Thank you for the great informational video. My hats to go off to honest car mechanics that can explain the relative potential costs of a time belt service vs. a serpentine belt service. I am by no means a mechanic; I respect the mechanic that can explain to me in detail why the cost of a timing belt is so much. My hat goes off to you sir.
When I bought my 98 Ranger 4 cylinder I bought it running rough, cheap, with a new timing belt and drove it three years. Finally took it to the mechanic and he found the timing belt was installed wrong, off by three teeth, by Firestone and it was a miracle the truck ran at all. He put it on right and the truck doubled in horsepower! Been a fantastic runner 7 years and 100,000 miles later.
Hughes Enterprises I believe those are non-interference thankfully. If they were it could have been really bad. Those 2.3 and 2.5 Lima are solid.
Engine rebuild; my father and I did it. My father can do them in his sleep. He was teaching me how to do it. It was on an old simple V8 which was my first car. While he didn't rescue me, he was mentoring me.
On my second car, I had the water pump go out on me on a simple front mounted V6. I had no problem doing it myself, but I did have to deal with a very bad sunburn which bordered on sun poisoning. I did it outside. Don't forget your sunscreen and possibly a hat if you're working outside on hot summer days. I looked like a well cooked lobster from the waist up.
I just got quoted 650 for my serpentine belts. I did them myself in 20 min.
Joe Smith It’s a little bit harder on my Nissan Frontier but like I said 20 min. It’s three separate belts and the tensioners aren’t typical auto tensioners. Also the alternator has to be loosened for the second belt. Bust still not worth more then like 30 bucks to pay someone. Took 20 min for all three while trying to figure out how the tensioners work.
Exactly. No big deal.
Great video Wizard, I've done 22 years in the motor trade and as the years have rolled by peoples understanding of cars had gotten worse and worse, most people wouldnt know or care to check their engine oil.
You are super right about people not knowing shit about their cars now in days! I have met people who have owned their car for years and never even changed the oil! The attitude most of these people have is ride it until the engine light comes on or just ride it until the wheels fall off and it's a total loss to even try to fix and maintain!
I can attest to that. My grandson called recently one morning said his car started making a funny noise and lost power, I went to the rescue. First thing, I checked oil and added almost 4 qts. Thats all I had with me. It was still almost half a qt. low. Told him to start it bbut be ready to shut it off. As soon as it started I hollered shut it down, sounded like every rod was fixing to come through block. He asked me what it needs, I told him a preist to issue last rites. The boy didn't even know how to check the oil. Guess as long as it starts it must be OK. I ended up towing the car to the scrap yard. Then last week his momma bought him a new style VW beetle with the diesel. I told him read the manuel and follow it to every word.
Paying a mechanic has gotten exponentially worse as well
Mostly for the ignorant or don't care type of car owners.
Usually the ones that own honda or toyota, are very ignorant, I know because I see it, hear about it, and etc. on daily basis, since I work in the car industry.
Its usually the type of people that speaks english like this.
Normal english : Windows Virus.
Their english : Vindows Wirus.
And these people fake Microsoft repair services, as well as pretend to be the tax department agents, and also do alot of fraud car insurance claims, and so on.
I did the timing belt on my Honda Odyssey 3.5 v6 in 1 day and it cost me about $150 in parts and tools. It was a real pain but it worked great and I saved a lot of money 💵
Wow your wife must be so impressed with you.
Same here. $1300 for this job sounds a little high.
I just changed the TB on my 2015 VW Golf Sportwagen TDI. Cheapest quote I got was $1800. I’m confident in my abilities, and watched 3 thorough UA-cam videos on the service so many times I had it nearly memorized (except torque specs). I had it done in 5 hours and everything worked out great. It is definitely not a job to rush through. I bought some new tools and the TB kit all for around $700.
Great video Wizard guy! I'm a DYI guy. Seriously, the scariest jobs I have done on my cars have been timing belt changes: screw up, and screw the whole friggin engine!!!
Also, even though I believe chains are better, if the guides are of bad design, you're equally screwed!!
Nowadays, being old and slow, I stick with non-interference engines😉
Great video!!
I love doing timing belts on the older Rangers (non-interference) engines. Not too expensive either.
Thanks for the video. I was a student and cheap so I just changed the belt without anything else. Lucky nothing else broke in the next 5 years.
This was the exact video I needed to watch. I'm a young DIY kind of guy (I love learning new skills) and recently started working on my car. I see my timing belt is due for maintenance next year in my cars owners manual. Thought to myself, "hey, you've done lots of the other maintenance jobs on your car, this is just the next step up, right?" No.. definitely not.. I am way under experienced to even attempt this level of work. Thanks for putting the time and effort into making this video. My DIY attempt at replacing a TB could easily have led me to either damaging or even destroying my engine entirely. I'm simply going to pay a professional with this one so thank you again!
That’s why it was so important to me to get a vehicle with a timing chain. Went with a Toyota 4Runner V6, love it.
I replaced so many chains ⛓️⛓️⛓️ lmao keep dreaming
@@redline9579 Yeah maybe on crappy Chevies or Nissans, the timing chain will break. On a Toyota the chain will last the lifetime of the engine. Long live chains
@@redline9579 never had a chain fail in my 3 million miles of driving. oil changes is the key. had many belts snap and destroy the motor
Your totally right, I had a few jobs come in that customer started and couldn't finish. It's a nightmare,
I go as far to count the teeth between each of the marks. I use a yellow marker on the belt in 3 places, then I mark each of the sprockets to match up with the marks on the belt. I use the old belts marks to make marks on the new belt. I'm not a certified mechanic so this is what I do to ease my paranoia of doing it wrong.
yep
Yep, I do the same thing. It works well when you know the engine is in proper time to begin with. I still managed to mess it up on one vehicle that had two marks on the crankcase and I mistakenly picked the wrong one. I took it out for a test drive, it ran like crap, and I tore it apart again, eventually realizing what I had done wrong. I lucked out on that one!
I do exactly the same thing. I’ve done 10+ of them and never been off a tooth. It’s great insurance.
Same here. :)
Great video. A trick I use as a diyer. After lining up all the timing marks at TDC, I use a paint pen and mark the old belt against the pullies. Transfer the paint marks to the new belt (count the teeth in-between marks). Put on the new belt matching these paint marks. Pull the pin on the tensioner. Double check timing marks. When everything is line up, I turn the engine over by hand a couple times and check the timing to make sure the actual marks are still lined up. The belt marks will no longer line up but the actual marks on the engine and pullies should. I have done several now and this trick made it much easier for me. The problem I had before doing this, when I pulled the tensioner pin all the pullies would move and throw off the timing marks (very frustrating).
Ditto
As a customer ask for the old parts. This will ensure the job was done honestly. I had mine done at 8 months with 5k miles the belt broke and damaged 6 valves. Total cost $3500.00 as the shop stated the warranty was 6 months for the timing belt job.Also request they use genuine Honda parts
Cheers wizard, learnt something new. Finally getting over this virus, you have really helped by giving me something to watch
MrAde6666 me too it burned for a week to pee.
You had covid19 infection?
Just had my timing belt replaced, after seeing this I'm glad I was not ripped off lol
How so ? How much did it cost and what's your vehicle ?
This accord timing belt replacement was pretty easy, as long as you have all the tools necessary. Took me 4-5hrs just because it was my first time and i didnt have all the tools i needed so i had to figure ways to reach certain spots to take off certain bolts. All in all, this was an easy job for my 2013 accord coupe. I would rate this job a 6/10 for experience
I just finished doing this job on a 2010 Acura TL. It took me & a friend about 9.5 hours to do. With the proper tools 🛠 one can do it. But you’ll have to be very mindful of what you’re doing.
The 4th and 5th gen Accord timing belt service is roughly $300 job. At the dealership $1500
yep the dealership and any third party shop is a for-profit business. In your home garage/driveways it's for your benefit.
If u spend 300 bucks on a timing belt job the person don't no what he doing, timing belt job cost anywhere from 600 and 1000 even at a sideline dealer, it's not just the belt u changing u have to change water pump thermostat, all drive belts, timing tensioners, to go do all t he work to nut change all these things is stupid because just changing the belt and then a month later the tensioner went bad and snapped and now u have to buy a new engine
@@LeemWills I think he's trying to say that your parts cost is ~$300.
I've done it on an Acura TL with the 3.2 j series (basically the same as on an Accord) and can confirm that his price is about right.
Timing belts (the part) ranges from $10 to 300+ sometimes even more if Aisin parts (oe honda brand).
Edit: 6-8hrs ain't free.
Well folks my timing belt just broke☹️ first time in my 20 years of owning Honda's. Damn just damn
Lol when I tell my friends that their timing belt maintenance is coming up they say "what is that?" .... That's $1000+ that's what it is.
Better off doing it yourself
Mine was only $580 bc I shopped around after an initial $1200 quote
Bought the Aisin OEM parts off Rockauto for $180 then found a master tech that I trusted to do it for $400 labor with no warranty bc I supplied the parts which is ok bc I have faith in the parts and him
@@jeffbarkley3915 Rockauto is garbage so is Partsgeek, I would never buy anything from either one of them.
@@nomadicmonger9455 I've never bought anything from parts geek but I happen to know for a fact that Rockauto is legit and has the best prices. If u don't like em that's fine with me, I honestly could care less and I could care even less where u buy ur parts at too
@@nomadicmonger9455
I replaced half my car with Rockauto parts. You can't say "it's garbage" because they have like 18 different suppliers for each part. Is KYB garbage? Because you can buy them at Rockauto. If you'll choose only the cheapest parts, you might end up getting garbage.
Last month i (a European) bought a $830 1999 Suzuki Baleno Estate 1.8 GTX with a timing chain.
I runs smoothly, and the timing is still on point while having 180.000 miles on it .
It has a distribution belt for the water pump.
I looked for several months to get exactly the kind of car i wanted, and i'm extremely happy with it.
It'll be a lot cheaper to maintain the most modern cars.
I'm glad that channels like yours educated me on cars so i could make an informed consumer decision.
Best mechanic on UA-cam 👍
The exact reason why i got rid of my car 2013 accord v6 coupe. Same colour too. Didnt want the timing belt maintenance cost. Miss that car though. Great balance between sport and comfort
Brandon Bayon well that’s just silly.
I don’t understand people who buy cars but don’t budget for maintenance.
We get them all the time-$40k car, but think $200 maintenance at 30k miles is too much..
@@jamieharris74 most people think that way. Spend $35k over 7 years on a new car that's poorly built because they didn't want to pay $900 for brakes or learn to do it themselves for $200 on their old car. Consumerism. Lazy. Plus with financing you just 'make the payment' (for the rest of your life on a vehicle you'll never be above water on).
@@joem8875 I always laugh at the people who want to buy that camaro ss or track package GT and then get mad when you tell them brake pads alone are over $100
@@thefuzzypickle8277 yes sir! or the price of tires for their 22" super wide wheels..haha, just put it in a monthly payment
1999 Volvo S70. Timing belt replacement is at 60-100k miles Not bad to pay a trained Volvo tech 650.00.
I had the timing belt snap while driving my '88 Corolla. It had interference engine but apparently I was extremely lucky as it worked just as before after I put a new belt in.
It wasn't LUCK, it was TOYOTA!!!!!
Can't kill a Corolla
I just replaced a timing belt on a Honda 3.5. It was my first one. I used the factory service manual as a reference and watched a few videos. It was definitely a learning experience. I'm mechanically inclined by my only professional experience was as an alignment technician 25 years ago.
Always do the water pump with the timing belt saves a lot of headache
Depends if it's run by the timing mechanism.
This is why cars should still have timing chains
i just did my water pump on my crown vic,part cost me $50 and took 30 minutes to change by myself
And seals. And gaskets. And rollers. Everything you can get to while in there.
Always replace, timing, water and oil pumps at the same time....
this is the second video of your I've watched after seeing you on Hoopies videos
you are knowledgeable and well spoken
that guy is very annoying
thanks for posting these
Wizard, I appreciate this is your livelihood, and the fantastic work you do.... but. If I was junior mint I'd be feeling held back. Years to handle the timing components? I dismissed it as fear-mongering initially, but I rewatched...some genuine words of caution given to those considering stepping up to this level of work. That said, someone with the ability to follow directions who is willing to put in some time researching before digging in and who has the basic tools required, the space, time, and patience can absolutely manage this. Yes, it can be a big job but I changed mine on a transverse v6 similar to that accord. It was tight in there so I had to problem solve a bit, but it wasn't rocket science.
Free Junior Mint.
At the end of the day, Wizard is liable for the work. Nothing wrong with being slow and steady as a mentor.
When Junior Mint can unbolt an engine in his sleep, he'll probably get a Junior Junior Mint to delegate work to and a set of feeler gauges in his Christmas stocking, so Weezard can focus on actual paying work like Lambos. This is how small business evolve.
Yeah I'm a midlevel tech right now and I've done a couple (a Honda D17A1 and a Subaru DOHC EJ25), I was mostly "let loose" but the master tech double checked my work and timing marks before I could put it back together. Even he was tripped out by the Subaru as you don't set the crank sprocket to the #1 TDC mark (a triangle), you set it to the straight line mark on the sprocket that means all the pistons are midway through their strokes. It's also SUPPOSED to be half a tooth off on the passenger side, it's 54.5 teeth between the passenger intake cam and the timing mark on the crank.
Did a timing belt and water pump on a 82 Escort back in the late 80s in my driveway.it broke while warming up. A week later I was back into it putting a water pump on it. First time and a learning experience.
Doing the timing belt etc. On our 13 Ridgeline. First time again for this service. You Tube to the rescue.
Great presentation on the preemptive maintenance as it bullet proofs critical engine operation. I sure do enjoy your shop concepts with senior and junior mechanic scenarios! Keep up the fine work!!
I would spend a little more to have oil seals replaced too when the timing belt is replaced.
Hell, change all the accessory pulleys, and tensioners as well since it's all torn apart anyways.
always!
@@hey_buddy_waz_up Hell, rebuild the whole engine while you’re at it! In fact, just go buy a new car, then tear the engine apart and put it back together! It can be done on a lunch break! 😀
@@TheReapersSon 😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@TheReapersSon haha
Imagine if car brands return to gears for timing, like some tractor engines. It would be perfect for reliability reasons.
And kill horsepower.
And noisy
@@rjb6327 BMW E41/4 F1 engines used to have timing gears, so i think it's all about money no power
what manufacturer would want a reliable maintenance free engine lol
Tractor engines are majorly under stressed, dont rev as high ect. You cant really compare the 2. Like a parallel twin generator engine vs any combustion engine, genny engine will be pretty much never break
This cost me about $1k on my 01 Tundra. And I was happy to pay it after I looked it up and saw all that had to be done just to get to the belt. I missed my old CRX with the D series motor in it at that moment. Still had to take off a motor mount to remove the belt, but that was about it. Never did I think I'd have to remove a radiator for a belt. lol
The good part of it however, was that the shop that did the work also found that I needed new radiator hoses and clamps. Only had to pay for parts to replace those, since they had to pull that anyway.
Did a timing belt on my '86 Escort. No power steering pump or ac compressor. Had it done in less than an hour. Sad that they don't make them that simple anymore.
That won't be the timing belt
Ac, alternator and steering pump (unless it's electrical) should run off the Utility Belt (or what ever its called in yours area)
only the water pump typically runs off the timing belt (unless it's a electric water pump, some cars have it to keep the water pump and fan on after the engine has stopped to cool the engine down when engine has stopped)
Some Old transit vans were non interference engines, you could do cam belt in an hour
Some timing chains can fail and ruin engine
BMW’s sometimes do it
Also not all timing gears are fail proof as some are fiber and fail after a certain mileage
True. some ford, some hondas, some gmc, but all chains stretch over time-miles and need to be relaced also.
A properly chain shows almost no stretch. For example: Mercedes M111 - series (Duplex double chain)
Shitty plastic timing chain guides.
Lvatopesado chains don't stretch they plastize
BMW is a garbage car no wonder the timing chains fail on those cars. I never had any issues with my chain on my Mercedes W203 OM611..
A few years ago I owned a Honda Odyssey with 3.5 V6. I bought my oil filters at the dealership because the drain plug crush washer was always taped to the filter. Not replacing the washer was asking for an oil leak. Posted on the wall was the price for the 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder engines timing belt replacement. I was shocked. When my vehicle was at the recommended interval I purchased a complete kit from a Honda dealer on Ebay. All factory parts, belt, tensioner, idlers, and water pump. Replaced in about 3 hours, thank God I had a lift. Wish I had these vehicles lined up to do the work at half of dealer price.
Just had local shop replace the timing belt on 2008 PT Cruiser Turbo. Glad to see that Honda is just as difficult! Replace 'timing belt' really means: New camshaft and crank seals, timing belt, timing belt kit, water pump and an engine mount. Total Bill: $1,162. Parts: $423. Labor: $739. Timing belts are very strong, but remember they are exposed to temperature swings of zero to several hundred degrees, over and over. They need to be replaced -- not just for PT Cruisers, but ANY small four-cylinder engine. (I believe Honda recommends replacing the timing belt at 7 years or 100,000 miles.) If you are not 'mechanically inclined', forgetaboutit! Let a pro do the work, and pay him for his skills and tools. If you buy ANY used car with a timing belt engine with over 75,000 miles on it, remember -- it will need a timing belt replacement very soon, so make sure you have $1,500 stashed away, ready and waiting.
We do timing belt water pumps and valve adjustments on v6 Honda’s 2-3 a month
What do you use to crack the crank shaft bolt and how long of a job is it if you are inexperienced?
@@johnnyh64 weighted 19 mm socket and a impact they make a special tool that will hold it and you can do it with a breaker bar they are really tight. Book time is usually between 4-5 hours which I can usually do it in about 3. it would more than likely be a all day or a day and a half for people who doesn’t have tools that makes it go a lot faster
This is another reason I don't like transverse mounted engines also!
Carmakers do it for packaging reasons but it makes things very difficult to get to.
I will never buy one of those!!!!!!!
Try an Audi!
@@gillesthibault429 Why would an audi have a timing belt? Oh wait!!!
@@ricky-sanchez Any work on the front of the engine requires a total disassembly of the whole front end of the car. Like a water pump (or a timing chain).
I did the timing belt and tensioner on my 2.0 tfsi by my self
Its his passion to spread good knowledge is what amazes me, other shops or mechanics would just keep the information for themselves so they can charge you for blinker fluid
Some interference engines are valve to valve, not valve to piston mind you! Subaru for example
kheff46 this is a great point most don't think about! You can bend a valve from hitting another valve, don't assume you're safe to make a mistake just because the piston won't contact!
@@Drew-wf7vw Whats known as a "boxer" engine. If you throw the timing, The valves start boxing each other.
I remember doing my first timing belt on my 91 Volvo 240 back in highschool, had like no experience but I couldn't afford a mechanic to change the belt. Tackled it with just a small crap man hand tool set and a Haynes manual lol. Atleast those old redblocks are non interference motors so if I did screw it up I wouldn't need a motor.
Yup, i was gunna say the pic in this vid at the 9 min mark is basically a volvo redblock... i have several and done timing belts on them a half dozen times... one time out in the street by the holland tunnel heading into nyc... i knew it was due for a new belt but since it was a non-interference motor i didnt worry bout ruining the motor if it snapped.. had the new belt and proper tools in the trunk with me.. got it done in less than 2 hrs total, these are much easier and less work than the honda in this vid, lol..
I am truly an auto-maintenance novice DIYer! But I actually developed courage to change the timing belt on my Toyota a few years back. This involved removing the engine mount, removing the "harmonic balancer", installing NEW water pump and timing belt tensioner & pulley, along with making sure that the timing marks were in perfect sync. Happily, the job was successful and I got many more dependable miles out of it. But that experience convinced me of why this job is SO expensive.
This is cheaper than replacing a timing belt AFTER it's failed, especially on an interference engine.
On an "interference" engine you would be talking "engine" replacement, NOT timing belt! lol
Kip Diggs u would need the new head if timing belt failed lol
It's the first thing I replace on any used car I buy. The whole kit.
If it fails the car is totaled.
I was in that situation where I had to tap out mid repair due to an injury. The shop agreed to do it for half the price, I guess bringing shop manual+tips printouts, and having bolts labeled in ziplocks helped.
I miss the old days when you could do a timing chain in an afternoon on an old V8. The first one I helped on was a Pontiac ( clearance engine ) and we did it road side in a public parking lot. Ah the fond memories of fishing the timing gear parts out of the warm oil pan...
And I can so relate to walking in on a job, where all of the parts (that weren't lost or broken) were in a pile and all of the nuts and bolts were conveniently aggregated in a single coffee can... Jigsaw, brail method car repair 101. It's a course that actually should be taught in mechanics school. Entitled "How to make any simple repair an adventure".
Remember newbies... All the fasteners go into a single can or you mechanic won't appreciate your dedication to screwing up his life. It's even better when the mechanic is your friend and fixing your car for free, he'll especially love you then. NOT! (Sorry, I'm feeling sarcastic since I've been trapped in my home.)
Footnote: Timing belts and chains aren't hard, it's just that automotive engineers design cars to make them that way and they still aren't as bad as some heater cores I've done.
Even more fun if 'DIY-Harry' started the job, and now some of the bolts or parts are missing from that coffee-can!
That reminds me of a story my boss told me about a repair he did. Taking bits off his engine he carefully laid them out in the places and order they should go back then went to lunch. When he came back a neighbour presented him with a box containing all the bits saying "some kids were playing near you car so i put all the bits in this box so they wouldn't mess with any of them".
@@MrDuncl Every mechanic has walked in on one of those jobs or had some "helpful" person completely trash their day at one time or another by putting all the nuts and bolts into one box or coffee cat. I'll never forget the sinking feeling I had when I went to help a friend and realized that all of the water pump bolts on a 1969 Buick 350 had the exact same head size and thread but were in multiple different lengths. The short ones fit into the long holes, the long ones bottomed out and the guy that started the job already snapped one of the heads off a bolt trying to tighten a long bolt down that was in a short hole.... As I recall, the water pump job was precipitated by the guy over-tightening a fan belt, snapping the fan shaft and putting the clutch fan through the radiator... And trust me that job actually got worse from there.
Nah man the 90’s Hondas/Acura’s were the easiest to change a timing belt. I could do it in 2 hours. The hardest part is getting the crank pulley bolt off because they can be super tight
That's a short timing chain in a pushrod engine?
Did my own job on a Toyota 1hz so I suspect I was on easy mode since everything was relatively easy to access and much simpler tech. Still was a huge job that had me praying I hadn't broken anything. Glad I undertook the job for the learning experience but it cannot be understated how critical of a job it is. Great video❤
This Guy is excellent I love watching him he is so good at his job and really interesting.
Dave in England.
This guy rips off his customers right after he scares them half to death with his bs explanations
Hey, I drive the 4 cylinder version of that car! Except mine has a timing chain.
Juat make sure youre oil is always full! The timing chain tensioner is oil presure driven on the K series in your car. If the oil runs low you loose tension and the enginge goes!
Honestly as far as 9th gen Accords go, I think the glorious 3.5L V6 is worth the once per decade expensive maintenance job...
My first couple of timing belt changes on my '97 4 Runner the shop I use checked the water pump and decided to not replace it. Finally at the third timing belt change they decided to replace the water pump with the timing belt change. They've always had good experiences with the original water pump on 4 Runners.
Heart surgery is like fixing a car while it's running...
I adjusted the valve clearance on a 63 Studebaker V8 while the engine was idling.
Much more at stake in heart surgery.
No. Heart is stopped and blood is bypassed through a machine during open heart surgery.
The BODY is down while heart surgery just like a car can not do anything and if you die the doctor gets paid.
i did my timing belt a week ago. i feel like this entire second part of the video regarding home mechanics were directed at me like “you were NOT qualified to do that you idiot” but hey my car runs great so who knows
lol had the same feeling watching this video.. makes this 3-4 hrs job feels like a rocket science that takes a noob years to be able to touch.. lol
I have done it twice on my wifes 2011 honda pilot. 200k miles now. Took me 3.5 hours start to finish. water pump, pulleys, hydraulic tensioner, serp belt tensioner, and new serp belt
But did you have an assistant who removed all the preliminary stuff but wouldn't allow to finish the job?
I bought a 08 Accord 4cyl with a timing chain. It has 315k miles. The only thing that's ever broken was the starter.
Laughs in non interference engine.
Also there are the duramax engines who neither have chain nor belt but instead gears for timing.
Gears... like in my 2.5 Vw Transporter t5.
All of the diesel HD trucks have gears. That's one of the many reasons those diesels last a long time.
@@johntousseau9380 Considering how rare it is for a timing belt to snap nowadays, no that's not one of the reasons why they last a long time at all. It just saves on maintenance. Those sort of engines also have other design features to cut on maintenance time and costs, like for instance pushrods with screw type clearence adjuster on the rockers, so the only thing you need to take off the engine to adjust the valves is the valve cover.
They last a long time because they are overbuilt and understressed. One of those engines weighs over a ton all by itself, and makes as much power as a sports car engine that weights 600lbs. You just can't design car engines the same way.
John Tousseau Yes, all the makes, 2500 trucks and bigger are all gear driven timing.
@@BigUriel Belts snapping may be rare; wearing out or jumping time is common.
Timing gears wear out too, especially if they're made from plastic. I want to say the Iron Duke had a plastic timing gear IIRC. Noisy ass engine too.
PGTMR2 plastic I've never run into, nylon I have but you're right they can wear out, just not as likely.. They used the nylon to try and quiet it down.. I love gear driven engines.. Noise wouldn't bother me since my vehicles never have neighbour friendly exhausts on them lol.. I've got a ranger as my daily, bulletproof 3.0l Vulcan, timing chain but next best thing imho, it's only from the cam to the crank with no guides or tensioners.. My second one with this engine, last one I did head gaskets and timing cover on, and the chain had relatively good amount of slop for being just over 350,000km and driven hard
PGTMR2 Yep. Had an 88 Olds Calais that stripped the teeth on the nylon timing gear at something like 180k miles. Big pain to replace in an apartment parking lot. Engine ran well again after replacing it.
@@jeff2space983 ,
timing gears needed little attention, timing chains were less reliable, but timing belts especially with interference engines are the least reliable !
Built-in obsolescence by design engineers !!
@@juerbert1 I wouldn't call it planned obsolescence, I'd call "rush development."
@@ricky-sanchez You mean a new way for dealers to make loads of cash.
Very cool video! I’ve done timing belts and it can be a bear to do! But it is doable! People do not appreciate how much work it takes to do the work! They just see the $$$$! People never cease to amaze me!
Just had local shop replace the timing belt on 2008 PT Cruiser Turbo. Glad to see that Honda is just as difficult! Replace 'timing belt' really means: New camshaft and crank seals, timing belt, timing belt kit, water pump and an engine mount. Total Bill: $1,162. Parts: $423. Labor: $739. Timing belts are very strong, but remember they are exposed to temperature swings of zero to several hundred degrees, over and over. They need to be replaced -- not just for PT Cruisers, but ANY small four-cylinder engine. (I believe Honda recommends replacing the timing belt at 7 years or 100,000 miles.) If you are not 'mechanically inclined', forgetaboutit! Let a pro do the work, and pay him for his skills and tools. If you buy ANY used car with a timing belt engine with over 75,000 miles on it, remember -- it will need a timing belt replacement very soon, so make sure you have $1,500 stashed away, ready and waiting.
I've been replacing time belts for years and years and the Honda is one of the easiest ones to do
Do you think it is okay to use an aftermarket kit? I just bought a 2010 Honda Pilot with 129,000 mi this past Friday, and I am bringing routine maintenance current. After buying my vehicle in cash, I am now dealing with sticker shock and would prefer to get a more reasonable costing timing belt and water pump kit than the original offered by Honda.
@@Tes7000 Yes I have no problem using gates timing belt kits I know some of the stuff is from China but I've not had any problems out of it. Gates makes most of the OE timing belts anyway.
@@wessmith1449 Thank you!
DIY home guy can do this in 5 hours. Big obstacle is the crank bolt, which is easy if you put the breaker bar against the suspension arm and click the starter motor. It will spin the bolt easily, with no need for the special pulley holding tool. Then next hurdle is getting the new belt on without the front cam flopping(spinning) a bit due to the pressure of valve spring on a cam lobe. Just get the cogs lined up and wrap the belt counterclockwise, starting at the crank, tightly without slack. After pulling grenade pin and rotating the crank back and forth, if the 3 aligning marks aren't perfect, then you can remove the hydraulic tensioner and reinstall the pin using a vise to compress the tensioner. Then try again. And don't forget the thin ignition plate on the main crank before installing the lower pulley cover. Also, use anti-seize on the motor mount bolts and clearly paint the timing marks on all three pulleys. I've done 5 on my Odysseys/Pilots.
I used to change my own timing belts twenty years ago when cars were much simpler. Now I only own cars with chaining timing(s) and change the engine oil every 5K no matter what the manufacturer recommends. 🤞
Depends on the car, some are easy others like this Honda are more difficult.
My dad did my 4runner, it's belt is on the front of the engine and wasn't too hard to get to. Hardest park was taking the belt off the AC Compressor without having to remove the unit like the manual recommend...
Adam Smith Of course a 4Runner, what else would be this simple to work and keep running.
I looove doing belts on the Honda V6's, they're very straight forwards once you've done one or two. Tight spots but all pretty workable. I've done 2 of them on the ground lol.
I was an ASE certified Master tech for 30 years and I worked at a jeep-eagle dealership. I used to love doing timing belts on the eagle talon, which was basically a Mitsubishi, because they would usually strip the teeth off the belt at about 50,000 miles. It paid 4.5 hours to replace the belt and I got to where I could replace one in 45 minutes. If it did break and damage the valves or piston, it was easy to replace them with the engine in the car.
Ooooh take me down to the timing chain city,
Where the timing is crisp, it never gets shitty
Please take me hooOoOome
So funny i forgot to laugh!!!!!! Jk jk thats was a good 1 tho 😂 guns n rosses 🎵
@@davidt-bonegarcia5514 haha it's a dad joke I'm not afraid to admit it 😆
The ginger bearded wizard has his own channel? I'm subbed!
Whoever was your mentor, he did a good job
How I love timing gears...
I did one on my tl and it took me a good half of the day but I saved a bunch of money. Not to mention I learned a lot that day.