Portable Band Saw Table! Let's finally make one!
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- Опубліковано 8 вер 2024
- This episode on Blondihacks, I’m making a vise-mounted table for my small band saw! Exclusive videos, drawings, models & plans available on Patreon!
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Hey everyone! I can already tell that the theme in this week’s comments will be “here’s how to make that slitting saw setup rigid”. So:
1) I was assuming tailstock support, yes. I don’t think it would be enough.
2) I considered a two piece arbor and I don’t think a threaded connection is rigid enough, even with a shoulder to centre it.
3) I don’t think it’s rigid enough even with collars slid over the arbor like horizontal milling machines do (even if I did want to spend two days making all those parts just for this attempt, which I did not).
Think I’m wrong? Great! Try it! I solved the problem in a quick way that worked for me. You do it your way, as long as you are having fun, that’s what counts.
For a slot so non-critical that free-handing some fancy curves would still work (as long as the end is positioned right), any amount of setup is arguably overkill.
That being said, I thought about 2), but then figured that a two-piece arbor with a slitting saw is basically like a multi-point equivalent of a line boring tool, like the one Stefan Gotteswinter shows at ua-cam.com/video/qotwibvMC1E/v-deo.html , right? So I think using one of those (with an appropriate parting-blade-like cutter) this might improve 2) and 3): less tool pressure (single-point) means less rigidity needed, no threaded connection, and might have (limited) further applications beyond a one-time job (and as a bonus, it's much quicker to make). But I don't really have enough experience to be sure, the only thing I'm sure of is that my little Sherline wouldn't have enough power for such an operation if I were to try it :)
For this job, that would've clearly been overkill, but I like thinking about different options for those weird situations where it suddenly comes in handy
(re-typed comment, I think the previous got deleted by bad connection. Sorry if this is a duplicate now)
Hey .. mom...
Can I just use a clamped on angle iron'
And use a hand held jig saw
If you were a girl I'd date cha... [ no that was ... since your're a girl I'd date cha ]
.........Spend long hours out in the shop with ya
................Watching you make cuts, drill holes... tap threads
........................ follow behind ya with a shop vac....
.................................after that.. somethin to eat and go watch some crazies PROTESTING MASK MANDATES
.............................................. Let's go.. grab your mask
.........................................................I already called UBER [ no reason for you to drive us EVERYWHERE ]
AWESOME tool accessory
Lol, I was thinking bust out the grinder again 🤣. Your way was more better 😊. Now I feel like I should be standing in the corner for 5 minutes 😏. Happy New Year, Quinn! Cheers! 👍😁👍
I wasn't in favor of the slitting saw right off the bat due to the kerf being much wider than necessary. That can allow tiny pieces you might trim off to jam in next to the blade. My other thought was, is there room to flip the angle iron end for end to put the center of gravity of the saw closer to the vise?
Yeah I agree with you, making an arbor would be overkill. Though my horizontal mill solves that by having a large arbor diameter on the headstock end and then it goes down to the hole diameter at the cutter and the spacers. It came with several arbors that have the thick end different lengths. The thing is over 100 years old!
Quinn - my favorite video of the new year! And I would NEVER presume to tell you what to do. Your ideas for projects are always spot-on!
How are you not a verified account. This makes no sense.
IMPOSTER!
I love the symmetry, using an accessory table on a band saw to make an accessory table for a band saw.
That makeshift blade guide setup (for the challenge cut) is a fricken stroke of genius. Well done!
It would have been a lot easier to order a table like that on line BUT there is no way you could have found one built with that kind of precision and quality. Once again Quinn, you have demonstrated the difference between "get it done" and "do it right."
I kind of think she combined the two into get er done right
As one of the people who suggested one of these tables, I have to say, YAY!
I also really like zero-flute countersinks. As you said, they are almost impossible to get chatter with them. Great in a hand drill for deburring holes. In regards to the angle, for those that don't know, metric fasteners use a 90º angle and Imperial fasteners use an 82º angle. Why 82º, I have no idea. lol
Yeah, yet again metric makes no sense. I mean, *ninety* degrees, who dreams this stuff up?
Imperial everything was designed on a dart board.
"Where'd my darts land?"
"Treble 20, double 10 and double 1"
"Awesome, 82 degrees it is"
Don't forget 100º imperial fasteners too!
Aren't they technically single flute?
@@benjo233223 The have an edge, but not one shaped like a traditional cutting flute.
Smart design and excellent tool obtained. Congratulations and many thanks.
SAE countersinks are 82 degree and metric is 90 degree PITA.
SAE Aerospace CSK angle is 100 degrees
That idea to invert vise jaws is INGENIOUS. I didn't know you could do that!
Same. I literally shouted "WHAT‽" when she did that. Would have saved me SO much time...
HAPPY NEW YEAR to all the fabricators world wide! May you end the year with the same number of fingers you started with.
good project as usual. 2 tips to improve your shop time with this tool : use a velcro band to hold the trigger and use a pedal switch to enable hands free cutting
Grinder overruns are kinda my signature already. But as imitation is the most sincere form of flattery...I am honored. Oh...talking about the cutting tool and not the dating site. I imagine a "Grinder overrun" means something different in that context. Afraid to look that one up.
Came for the machining, stayed for the gun show. 😃 Happy New Year Quinn. I'm not telling you to have one, just a suggestion.
You crack me up. Over the years I’ve worked with several people who were just a delight. I think you would be such a person. I’m glad you leave room for your sense of humor.
I am not sure if anyone noticed but Quinn did this entire job topless---- that's right No head covering. Keep up the good work.
I think you should put a coolant pump on your horizontal band saw. I got the same model as yours and it made an unbelievable difference in cutting speed and blade life. It allows you to cut steel at the highest blade speed the saw offers. I used a $30.00 fountain pump you can find at any garden store and it's been working fine for four years now. You do need to replace the ball bearing blade guides to some with better seals than the ones that come with the saw to keep the coolant out of them. Some sheet metal work to make the splash pans and trays to drain back in to the tank of your choosing and that's it. I use a 10/14 veritable tooth blade and get over a year's use out of each blade at 3x less cut time.
Steve Summers did this not too long ago and did a great video of the build.
Nice one, maybe a suggestion: you could add a few holes to the saw table to match your pin row like the fixture plate had? Should make for an easy setup if you want to make square cuts with a bit more precision
That's a good idea. Happy New Year,
A happy new year to you (and whoever reads this) too!
Nice table. Only two bolts to attach to the saw, so easy to mount for use then remove for storage.
Thanks for showing the Dayton CNC fixture plate. I may have to get one of these.
Dave.
Check out Fireball Tool for a good fixture plate. He has a great YT channel and is a very enterprising smart young man.
Blonde hacks is by far one of the best home shop machining channels on the tube.
"Ugh I can make that, and I hate buying things I can make" I think that is a sickness we all share here 😃
You got that right my friend!
I take great enjoyment and pride in making things so I can make things. Buying something that kinda works versus making something that works are 2 different things.
Agreed on the countersinks. To make it worse, aerospace uses mostly 100 degree due to low thicknesses
It is good to see glimpses of you as I listen to your soothing voice. The Zero Flute Chamfering Tool is so simple it has to work.
Love those zero flutes. They work great, especially the versions with a pilot. I first used one during a job countersinking stainless, I was having an awful time until one of the machinists handed me a piloted zero flute. I bought him lunch.
Believe me or not, I made one of these without checking if they exist, proudly told a friend, and then was shown several online listings!
I absolutely appreciate ALL your videos; you are a natural teacher! I have set aside time every day to watch a few. Like your humor, and insights. I have recommended you videos to several friends. Thank you!
Hello from a fellow Software Dev that grew up in a time of industrial arts (70's & 80's). Ever since I bought my Grizzly Combo Lathe/Mill I found your channel and you have helped immensely. I spend all my play money on tools to retire with lol
I cant believe how simple and easy that design was. As you say, a lot of work or small machines, but so useful when it's done. I'm going to build one now! Thanks!
I just made an aluminum "hook" that fits the "D" handle on the end of the portable band saw and mounted it outside of my shop and a 1/4" x 12"x 12" aluminum table. When I need to cut something, I attach the table and hang the saw on the hook. Works great and leaves the metal sawdust outside of my shop.
Cool deal, thanks for sharing.
thanks Blondi for this video I just bought one of these band saws and wanted to build a table love your projects.
Keeping with that theme I WILL NOT tell you what to do but instead I’ll tell you what NOT to do ! Don’t make a fence for that table, you’d use it to much ! Don’t make a table for your other band saw , it makes to much sense ! And finally DON’T make a vacuum system for those band saws , makes it way to easy to keep clean ! And a light would be way to practical ! But I will tell you this I LIKE YOUR CHANNEL ! But I’m retired on a fixed income and can barely pay attention ! Lmao
I see through your reverse psychology. 🧐
@@Blondihacks oooops ! To obvious ? Lmao
I like the zero flute countersink bits. About 30 years ago I bought a bucket full of them in various sizes from Boeing surplus in Wichita. They're 100 degree.
And with this video, I will create similar for my yet to be purchased Ryobi saw. I watched this a year ago and now I have a need for one. Thanks Quinn!
"gun show" A+ content, perfect, you rock. 💪
Agreed. And in fact, all the smart-alec pop-up titles were on-point.
Also would have gone the bandsaw route vs slitting saw. And good to see it worked. Bandsaw for the win!!
Great video! I love how you squared up the edges of that plate with your mill. I had to square up the edges of a 1/4" thick plate of 303 stainless steel about the same size using a bench grinder and files. It formed the blast deflector for a high power rocket launcher I made back in the late 80's out of a 15" particle board cube. I launched literally thousands of model/high power rockets from it at the Johnson Space Center over the years. I haven't flown a rocket in a long time, and the cube has long since turned to dust, but the plate and some other parts of the launcher are still out in my garage good as new and ready to be used again. I'm going to have to get one of those zero flute chamfering tools. Those are really neat! I need to design/construct a small mechanism to quickly push an object no bigger than 1/4" off of a small conveyor belt moving below it either to the left or right. Looking at what I have on hand I'm thinking of making two small induction coils with iron rods that rise above them. Small aluminum cylinders will ride on the rods and there will be two small cables attached to the end of each cylinder. The first cable will trip a spring loaded paddle that will swing down and push the object to the left/right and the second cable will reset it as the cylinder reaches the end of the rod. Let me know if it sounds like a project you would be interested in and I can send you more details.
Ok, so I have to make one of these now. I've seen them and I really like the idea of it. Both of my machines are about the same size as yours, Lathe and Mill. Also, I made a fly cutter about 10.5 years ago in College. Used it a few times and it works great.
Nice little addition to the shop, you’ll be glad you made it, and start wondering why you didn’t do it sooner. 👍👍
A very Happy New Year Quinn!!! In the last few months, three times the Internet provided solutions to a problem I had with new posts that specifically addressed and solved them! Well Quinn, earlier today I ordered a portable bandsaw, and I was very much hoping I could eventually do exactly what this post is about, and you solved it before the pixels were dry on my order! Maybe this year will actually be better than the last one. "Hope springs eternal".
I just got one of those tables from my son for Christmas. 👍
Very nice approach to this!
I dig that bandsaw jig with the welding fixtures....Pretty cool
A bonus when using your horizontal bandsaw in vertical mode is you can sit straddling the saw while making long tedious cuts. So yeah. Add the holes for mounting this table on the horizontal saw. Then fab a magnetic or other mount for an LED light focused on your cut line.
A first time viewer, and I see my “hero” Ron Covell watches also. I’m in good company. Nice video. Thanks!
Hang it by the D handle above the garbage can by the overhead door.
I made a very similar table for my HF portable saw, but from 1/4" plate, fastened from below with short screws threaded into the table. I also noticed yours has the same issue mine had. When you drop it into the vice, it tries to grab on the radius of the angle which is hard on secure clamping and the jaws. I added a couple of set screws in the top leg of the angle that space it far enough above the jaw to clamp on the flat portion of the angle.
For the power switch there are momentary control foot pedals that are handy for these saws and drill presses, too!
Nifty! Bluing the table would make it look even cooler~
Check out the Harbor Freight foot switch for your saw. Its so convenient to be able to start/stop without any effort. Make sure to get the one that turns on when you step on it and off when you release.
I'm going to recommend you build you a new larger shop. Simple design to maximize storage and shop space. Buy 4 40 foot shipping containers, place two the width you want your shop, then place the other two on top of the but with the doors facing the opposite end. Now build a roof over the entire thing pour a concrete floor and add doors on each end. This gives you a 40 foot long shop at the width you want plus 4 shipping containers worth of extra space. You can have the two lower for machinery and the two upper for storage.
Just watched this for the second time. Still makes good watching. Maybe one day I’ll be motivated to get off my arse and make a table for my bandsaw!
This is a good start to the new year 😊
Yeah! That's the way to do it. Wonder if my Milwaukee lends itself to this design. Thank you.
Great Job Quinn.
Great to watch how you deal with the issues as they come along. Always something I can add to my cerebral toolbox (if I can remember them).
I made very similar too last year. I have a low-cost band-saw and a small vice in it for fixing the material. I added a simple support and a small table from 5 mm Aluminum. This made the saw a universal table saw in 30 minutes. Thanks for this one again.
Nice quick clamps using the large washers !
Might I suggest when doing a cut such as this, when cutting on a fairly thin bit of stock, lowering the cutter to use the top of the flutes where the least wear occurs, with the greatest stiffness in the cut. About 1987, my wife was working for a plumber and gave me a call, saying there was a truck with tools for sale. I bought my 4 by 6 band saw. I have used it ever since, and made a "table" about two inch by three inch, for vertical use, about three sixteenths thick. Even as small as it is, it's very forgiving and has allowed very effective use. I really like the table you made, especially the tight slot. Your entry in this field as an amateur has given me some insight I've not had myself, something I've often noted in my life. I've never considered a table for my such saw, but I think I have to make one, that is very nicely made, much nicer than the sheet metal table commonly offered.
That's brilliant! Now I know how to build this thing that I've been wanting to build but not knowing how!
Great presentaion. Thank you.
Thanks. Gonna go build one. Great video
That is one of the nicest portaband tables Ive seen nice job.
Nice job Quinn.👍👍
Very nice build, was about to do the same, but I opted to get the Hercules Portsble Bandsaw and the Hercules Universal Portable Band Saw Stand from Harbor Freight, plus a bunch of DeWalt blades various tooth pitches. Very versatile arrangement and quite reasonably priced indeed. As a bonus, I already have a 6amp variable speed foot pedal in the shop.
Just as a recommendation rather than using the outlet with a switch like that, use an intermittent contact footswitch. Should an accident happen it might help mitigate the severity. Fun times: wound up cutting my left index finger on one of this exact model saws set up on a table config. While I can't be 100% certain, I'm pretty sure the shock and immediate release of the switch might have saved a fingertip.
Might be a little complicated to do but a height-adjustable safety cover would be a good upgrade. Other than that, nice and simple solution! That's much easier to store.
A momentary footswitch is a great addition to this sort of setup. I have one on my portaband table and another on my drill press. They've prevented or reduced bloodshed (and equipment damage) on at least a couple of occasions.
Those bolt-on counter sinks are super cool!
Universel rule of machining is that you always need the tool you are making to make the tool you are making :D
Nice little project 👍👍
HAPPY NEW YEAR! And another complement on the use of the flat bar as the makeshift saw guides. I'll be squirreling that away for some future use.
The handy portable setup in the vise and the size of your table almost makes me want to rush out and buy a portable band saw.
Great addition to the workshop well done.
I wondered what those extra holes in the machine vice were for, thanks I must remember this for fiture
It was nice to see this video as I just bought a portable band saw last weekend. Now to make a table! Thanks
Nice job, and timely. I have an old original Porter-Cable Porta-Band, and was thinking of something like this. I
In addition to squaring the table, i plan to use a thicker plate that i can mill a miter gage slot in, and knock off the corners, as i am always catching myself on things like that.
Nice job! One of the handiest tools in the shop. Get yourself a foot switch for it, It's a game changer!
the Milwaukee 18™ 5-3/8" Metal Saw works very well for plate
Thank you, I have the same porta band and have been thinking of making a table for it for a while, so it is nice to be able to get some ideas from a more experienced maker.
I'm sure you will get lots of use out of this Quinn. I have the Swag unit and it is great. I opted for the foot switch and it is a huge benefit for short jobs, (your basically standing on one foot). Thanks for sharing and Happy New Year!
Hey Quinn you do great work , I wanted to share this tip with you from Ron Covell when cutting small pieces of stock on your new band saw table you can clamp the piece in you machinist vice and advance the material safely into the blade . you can also clamp the piece into the vice and flip the vice over and the material is on the table safely held as it is being cut . The first time I saw Ron do it on one of his video's I thought what a safe way to cut small pieces. Stay heathy the world needs you ...
I have that mill vice (or a very similar one), and I never noticed the jaws can be flipped like that. Thank you for posting that!
Hi, Quinn. You can probably thank the metric countries for the 90 deg countersunk screws. The imperial standard is 82 degrees. There are other standards that vary by industry.
I'm going to join the chorus already clamoring to humbly suggest a foot pedal switch instead of (or perhaps in concert with) the outlet switch. I have one of the cheap Hazard Fraught ones that I use for my wood-cutting bandsaw and it makes things a lot safer, especially when I'm cutting janky pieces. Though I can understand why you might not necessarily need one here, given the difference in scale and power. A one-horse motor on a 14-inch saw has a lot more energy to damage you (or itself!) with than a plug-in portaband like the one you've got.
Great video, and definitely something I'm going to keep in mind when I get myself a portaband for my own shop!
Very Nice Quinn, your large band saw may have two positions for the upper blade guard? It looks the same as mine on which the cast bar that holds the red blade guard and slides up an down has two holes in it. When you think it has gone down as far as it can remove the knob completely and there may be another threaded hole at the top of the slot. On mine it reduces the gap from 6" to 3.5". I am currently making a small plate for my saw so it can stay in place while horizontal and vertical (not my idea) so this video has been very helpful thank you.
"I hate buying things I know I can make" Ron Swanson would be proud.
Hello Quinn very nice job on the saw table you will find that set up very useful I have the swag made table that is my go to saw for small cuts etc even though I have a big band saw but yours is a good set up for limited bench top space also would like to complement you on your craftsmanship on all your projects you share on your channel your humor and wit puts a smile on my face and that’s hard to come by these days
When I made mine; I used the actual portable bandsaw that I was making the table for to do the cutout for the blade. I don't have a good vise location and I wanted it to be more portable. So, I made a frame and base out of 2x4's and 1/2" plywood. The saw hangs on the frame through the handle holes. I made a switch system on the base that I can plug the saw into and turn it on and off using a switch. Also: The base has a separate cord. I have seen an even more compact set up that gentleman made to use in his garage were the saw hangs on a column by a piece of alltread through the handle mount and two pieces of angle notched out for the alltread. His table wasn't as big as the one that you or I made.
Great project!
Made something similar to this, but replaced the original plate with one that fit into a stand I built. With a single screw, you can go from portable to vertical. Partnered that with a foot controlled switch.
Thanks Quinn, I stumbled upon your video whilst looking for compact powered hacksaw solutions, I think you have nailed it :0)
Toms Techniques!!! I miss that guy. Brilliant stuff.
I have found that a much smaller table is best for small metal parts on a bandsaw since it makes it easier to grip them. That style of portable bandsaw is OK until you need to cut a strip out of a larger piece, and then you are limited to the depth of the throat. The older Porter Cable Porta-Bands were better in that regard since the blade was offset from the structure of the saw so you could make longer cuts. Or if you can find a Dewalt DW328, which is the same saw (thanks to their purchase of Porter Cable) but in yellow. I have a DW328 that I have made a portable stand for (with a 4"x4" square table), and it has almost entirely replaced my 4x6 chinese saw for vertical use.
Since your portable saw is more limited in depth of cut, you may still want to make a table for your 4x6 for longer cuts. Here the larger table might make more sense because you can mount a fence to it.
Fly cutter, I thought I was one of the few “old schoolers” that ever used one!
great video Quinn, thanks!!
Always amazes me how diddy your mill is! It does well for a little machine
I've clamped my DeWalt saw by its "J" hook in a 6 inch vise. Not optimum. Now there's a new day and a new way! Thanks and Happy New Year!
Thank you Quinn. I just went out to my shop and looked at my portable Ryobi metal bandsaw and it has kind of the same features. Thans for the idea. ;-)
Quinn I am certainly not telling you what to do but what I have done on my portaband setup is gotten a foot switch from Harbor Freight and it allows me to just zip tie the trigger but it has a nice extension cable on it and I've screwd my portaband on a cart that has all my drill and cutting equipment handy it so its a mobile work station and all I do is just run an extension to it and I can do whatever cutting wherever I need to wheel it.
Loved the video and quality of that brass cut, I've ordered one of those portable bandsaws to chop some brass disks to repair the gearbox of a 60s Logan, it will end up in a friend's shop with lots of grandkids around to break it so I'm making the shift gears the point of failure. With that quality of cut I'm thinking of just making the teeth through the whole lenght of the stock and slicing gears out of it!
I've built one very similar to this for my portable band saw, except it's quite a bit more janky!
I don't have a mill to mill it on, I cut the slot with the saw itself and I welded on the angle forgetting there was a risk of warpage and warped the table in the process. To fix it, I used a big hammer.
It's really useful though, the only big annoyance is having to take it off to change blades which means I often end up using the wrong blade for a job.
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You definitely deserve a cookie for this one, Quinn. Beautifully done.
Here Here on the angle grinder. I built a chopper with that and a corded drill. :-) It's all about patience.
Nice job! You could probably make a 'sled' that uses your table edges with some sprung bearings or similar as the guides. Check out some table saw sleds used in woodwork, very handy for square and mitre cross cuts ;)
Hello from Mexico.
I'm waching the video, happy years.
my goodness, you're a talented person! Just think of the use you're going to get out of this project!