Can we get like 15 more parts??? 😅 All of this is amazing, really gives a great lens to see the world by.... A good antidote to 99% of what's said in the lamestream media.
I’m skeptical of synthetic food disruption. There will be a public backlash where people don’t trust synthetically grown food. I agree with the other disruptions Tony lectures about… but not food.
@6:90 yes they went from Cane. To high fructose corn syrup to aspartame. Which is worst for us and our bodies ability to regulate our own sugar in our system. Its reckless and careless of them and the "consumer"
Tony Seba, you are a visionary! Please keep treating us with more episodes! Most of us don't get blessed with this insight but we want to stay curious!
I think it’s important for people to realize that proteins are not just food. The keratin in your hair is the same protein that is found in animal horns. Imagine that we can have low cost 3d printable animal horn, the material not the shape. We could build anything made of wood out of keratin or chitin and 3-D print it. We’re not there yet, in 2019 MIT printed a large sculpture made from chitin. That was extraordinarily laborious, but with a few generations of innovation it will no longer be, this will probably take 5 to 8 years. The big change here is going to be in land usage. Overtime the inputs to these precision fermentation factories will come directly or indirectly from algae ponds which can double in algae volume every day. This will be so much faster than traditional agriculture that it’s almost unthinkable. We are at the cusp of so much radical change that it makes sense for society to be as disrupted as it currently is. The next decade is going to make the last two decades look slow in comparison.
I think about how the UK countryside is mostly designed by sheep and cows. Farmers are going to have to change what they do. This has massive implications. This disruption needs careful implementation. Massive changes !
While Industrial Revolution did go to factories and destroy machine (and it was in UK), but I don't think they would do same in our century, but I think impact will be similar. But I don't think that where are people which think that having one clothes for whole life is better, than what we have today.
This man is a FREAKING GENIUS !! Love his talks, have been his biggest fan since 2016. He has been spot on about EVs, FSD and Solar Energy way way before anyone was even thinking about it.
Eye opening as always Tony. Building from your previously published work in so many ways. I am finding traction talking to people about how dramatic disruption will be and having to balance with positive aspects to prevent the 'Luddite shock' effect. There needs to be a positive message to prevent the fudsters promoting a false narrative which destabilises civilisation!
Just did a quick calculation for my country the Netherlands. Total land area is 3,3 million acres of which 25% is being used by the dairy farmers. So I guess in the coming years we have more than enough space to build houses or create extra nature. There is currently a heated debate regarding the nitrogen deposits of the farmers which are damaging biodiversity in nature areas. I never heard precision fermentation being proposed as a solution: apparently it is still under the radar.
I think people from countries having a tradition of producing cheese will stick to milk from cows. In this specific area, milk is not only a question of raw material, but mainly a question of "terroir".
Mind-blowing!! Love it! Being a professional in "the current" animal production sector, I am concerned!! But no doubts about @Tony Seba words. It will happen!! Looking for the new opportunities that will bear from such protein transition! Exciting times ahead!!
Looking at Remilk’s website right now, they say their process emits 97% less greenhouse gases, uses 1% of the land, 4% of the feedstock (important!), and 10% of the water compared to using cows for dairy. The number that really gets me here is the feedstock. Feeding the cows is the biggest expense in dairy/beef production. This means that Remilk’s process (and equivalent processes) could be FAR cheaper than using cows. Reducing greenhouse gases, land and water use, that’s just bonus. And 4% of the feedstock means 4% of the land use at the feed end, so this could allow us to rewild tremendous amounts of land, improving biodiversity and the world we live in.
It won't allow the rewinding of anything. The cows eat corn and soy stalks, stems, cobs, and leaves. They eat recycled products from plant agriculture.
A brilliant expose of PF Milk and Diary.....with an amazing potential to contribute to food security....especially infants and children in developing countries...and even significantly reducing methane emissions...time is now to spread this disruptive technology worldwide.....but caution that the price needs to be affordable for the poor, unlike insulin which today is unaffordable, for example some in USA having to travel to Canada to buy "cheaper" their essential insulin.....Thank you Tony Seba 🙏🙏🙏
Thank goodness that we have UA-cam so we have universal access to this type of high quality content. Years ago this would have been relegated to an Open university tv programme show after midnight on a Tuesday evening watched by a handful of people. I’m heavily invested in this future tech so have a vested interest in its success. I’m also strongly against the animal agriculture industry so it can’t come soon enough for me.
I disagree, there's other forces at play that you aren't taking into account. The first generation of these fake meats are incredibly unhealthy compared to meat. The proteins aren't high quality protein, the fats are inflammatory omega-6 fats and there are far less nutrients as compared with meat. The development of ultra-processed foods is causing a health crisis. Ever since the first developments of synthetic fats and the removal of nutrients in our foods the world is receiving far more chronic diseases such as heart disease and arthritis. Obesity is at such bad levels that it is now completely normalized. It's the reason the life expectancy in the USA, Mexico has been declining for the past 10-15 years despite us consuming far less sugar and exercising more. Unless we can synthesize molecules that are identical to that in highly nutritious foods, I think this will take far longer than you think.
I would not write how we can make it better, use own brain, not only look for problems. I would say that your arguments didn't stop use too much sugar, alkohole and cigarettes, and many more not healthy stuff, so why you think it would stop this?
In California agriculture consumes 80 % of the state’s water. Human consumption is 20%. The number one water consuming crop is alfalfa that is fed to livestock, primarily cows. Here’s the kicker- agriculture accounts for only 3% of California’s GDP !
Imagine not subtracting green water calculations and not subtracting urination from these consumption calculations Does the water just vanish into another dimension when the cows drink water? This is what these calculations assume
Love your disruption presentations, Tony. Was just talking with a friend about silly, old customs we cling on to, and neck ties are one of the silliest, non-essential pieces of fashion we cling to today. Would be GREAT for all men to stop wearing neck ties, except on rare occasions when they want to, while women ditch high heels and uncomfortable skirts and disrupt fashion. SO looking forward to the day when we stop killing animals for meat and chopping down trees for paper and wood and progress forward with new technologies. Keep up the great work!
be careful what you wish for. we have our S curve in health; getting sicker and sicker the more we move away from natural animal foods. modern diseases are virtually non -existent in traditional societies that rely on animal products for most of their needs. do you really believe these new fake foods will give us the perfect/optimal balance of nutrients and mineral our evolved biology requires. they won't because it's about profit not health. we have normalised illness and people rely on the drug industry to mask symptoms without actually curing anything. it's all profit driven. the rich will continue to eat the food that optimises health, i.e. natural food.
Interesting topic you don't hear about much. One thing to be careful of though is many biological processes are a lot more complex than they appear. Babies have been fed a simple formula for a long time, but it turns out that mother's milk has antibiotics that help the babies' immune system that formula doesn't have as one example.
Excited for the future. I am participating in this future with my 2021 Tesla Model Y. Looking forward to the costs dropping and longer range so that EV transition accelerates. I won't miss dairy farms either. Nothing nostalgic doubt animal husbandry.
The best part of these lectures is the vision of the future where life is going to be better. Seems like every other thing I watch is about how the world is going to hell and there doesn't seem to be any will or possibility of it getting better.
Fascinating! I'm wondering what the raw materials of precision fermentation are? You can't make something from nothing, so what are you feeding those microorganisms as their building blocks? Sugar? From what source?
Thank you for this observation. That’s been one of my main concerns with Tony Sheba’s presentations. He never mention raw materials. He presentations on solar, EV and batteries never mention raw materials.
@@babyblair2010 and because this, he was wrong 10 years ago? It is same as saying that batteries will not be recycle because we don't do it today.... yeah, today. Same with materials for solar or batteries (EV don't have any special over ICEV) they change with time, as sodium batteries are not using cobalt or lithium, so looking at today materials is not best method. And as @Galven mention they are same what we feed today, and they are not problem, because what we change is only how efficient is converting from one state to another, not what is source. As batteries can be at most completely recycled, same with water (Singapur is doing it already, or on space station), so why not food. Because most what is need for life is energy, and specific elements are only needed to do conversion.
Suger isn’t just measured on sweetness, the tasting experience is way more complex in duration of sweetness. That’s why none of the artificial sweeteners has been able to reproduce it exactly, while they are much sweeter.
The technology is very interesting, but a large percentage of the population will stick to the real thing for the same reasons we avoid sugar, artifical sweeteners and processsed foods in general.
I hope someone is already inventing and perfecting food replicators for work, home, wherever. Food at the right temperature, texture and form in a short order. Because cooking is not only somewhat dangerous (like my coworker who went home to find her house burned down), but also unhealthy and expensive.
Great point at the end of this: You WILL still be able to have an artisan Kobe ribeye steak in 2035. Just like you can still ride a horse. A basic necessity turned into an extravagant indulgence/hobby.
Amyris was one of the first companies in the PF space and recently built one of the largest fermentation farms in the world in Brazil. It went broke and is in bankruptcy right now. This is in spite of hundreds of millions in investment from John Doerr. It takes years to build these plants as I know from owning Amyris. Gingko is also another company in that space and is a penny stock. I think this revolution is coming but I see it taking much longer than he models unless the US government provides IRA like incentives. It’s a chicken and egg problem and we need years to build out the plants.
FWIW, I tried that Impossible meat. Once. I thought it was yucky. Definitely had some meaty taste, but it was still yucky. It's going nowhere unless/until it improves. Growing animal muscle cells in a dish might work better.
Sure seems like Health Insurance Companies and Medicare would be receptive to a Whole Food Plant Based vegan message. It would save them money on health care costs. This could off set the lobbying by food manufacturers. Maybe educating health Insurance Companies and Medicare administrators should be a priority.
This presentation was very, very interesting. So the whole dairy chain it's about to collapse... Being a Swiss, this concerns me a lot 🧀🧀Thank you. PS: Do you plan on presenting the disruption about home construction as well ?
If I'm not mistaken, one of the founders of Air B&B is now on the board of Tesla. Tesla may take over housing also. And with the new Twitter and payment through there... SpaceX and being able to be across the planet within 30 minutes.... real estate prices dropping due to parking lots being torn up because nobody owns a car. This is the great reset. It's cheaper to own nothing and roam the planet as a nomad. Pay maybe $500USD/yr for transport... $500/yr for housing... $500/yr for internet access... $500/yr for food. The real question is ... when does the cost of high quality education drop and we start pumping out engineers as fast as Tesla is pumping out batteries? Actually, I think AI will take that over. Edit: Didn't even consider the drop in land prices due to lack of farming and animal ag collapsing, along with parking lots being torn up. I think we'll have to let most of it regreen/permaculture and the rest go to housing.
@@projekt5219 just the materials and labour cost in housing make $500 per year a pipe dream. Housing is expensive where people want to live, and most people actually want to live where there are facilities, entertainment, healthcare etc. Thats why cities are generally more expensive- more demand. Yes, prices drop as people can do a lot of work somewhere else- but don’t underestimate how many people like living in cities.
@@markedwards4879 I have some thoughts. What if the cost of labor also crashes due to technologies such as robots, and then (in concordance with abundance of energy) new "cities" could spring up. Of course, high demand land such as coastlines could/would still be expensive, but it seems at least conceivable that those prices could happen elsewhere.
@@AlphaCrucis unlikely. Have a look at how much a simple house costs even in countries with very cheap labour etc. I agree that things will get cheaper - especially with robots in the workforce - but a cost of $500pa would mean that the actual cost of house, land, utilities and everything else is under $20k, and that someone would make it available for rental for pretty well zero return.
I think it is a fascinating technology, and of great potential value. But I think we have to be cautious, as with any new technology. With great power comes great responsibility. Consider all the micronutrients and other things that could be beneficial to us, inside the naturally produced foods? For example, if you only take the protein in milk as relevant, you lose out on the health effects (both benefits and costs) of the other nutrients in natural milk.
It will be possible to make far more healthy food this way controlling everything thats in it. Naturally produced foods are very irregular. As for milk some of us are partly evolved to digest it, I can't drink raw milk now. Then theres quite a bit of milk thats not really great to drink such as blood serum, antibodies and such.
This is what we desperately need to combat climate change! Having children is by far the biggest negative contributor to climate change, but the second biggest is animal agriculture. Even if your average moron continues to be ignorant on climate change, they will eventually switch to animal-free products simply because they will be cheaper. Their many children will also make the switch.
@@incognitotorpedo42 Don't agree. Food shortages are currently due to distribution problems. If we produce meat, milk, and other products close to markets, where people are, then distribution problems decrease. Meat and milk via a fermentation process along with close to market vertical farming for produce could produce vast amounts of food where it is needed. Remote rural areas largely need to be taught how to capture rainwater to recharge aquifers and grow a mix of crops that feed them year round. They need help to move off the famine and feast cycle of monocrops.
Eliminate dairy farms is the right move, however this will need to be done with cost efficient meat production. When a dairy cow is past its prime in milk production that animal is sold to discount meat producers. McDonald's, taco bell, dog food, and every other second grade meat products will go up in price, without the cheap dairy meat.
Tony Seba was wrong. He said there would be a beef product with price parity in 2024. There is not one beef product on the market. I would love for anyone to link me to a precision fermentation company making beef protein and let me know their costs.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the population of agricultural animals. Unlike horses, where people keep them for pets and riding or sport, not many people will want to manage the cost and work involved with keeping something like a dairy cow. Do we end up preserving them in special zoos or do they go endangered?
@@-whackd I suggest that you re-watch the video and look at what is happening on a wider scale. We will be growing meat without the animal, a fraction of the cost and indistinguishable from other meat. The market for “real” meat will decline dramatically, which means less volume, which means higher overheads and costs, more expensive and even less demand. I like my rib-eye on the bone more than most, but can see the writing on the wall.
@@markedwards4879 the marketing you have been fooled by says they will be 'indistinguishable' from real meat. in reality they are nowhere near being able to reproduce meat in a lab that replicates a grass fed cow. not even close. we evolved eating fatty meat, our biology is optimised eating this way. the modern narratives of saturated fat etc is bad has led to the greatest S curve of disease in human history. in traditional societies these diseases are virtually non existent, but we have normalised them. it's all about profit so yes dairy will be disrupted but it will continue as before, i.e. at the expense of our health. making the health industry more profit.
I could not help but laugh at what good news this is !!!!!!!! "The number of potential proteins available for use in food as software through precision fermentation is more than the number of atoms in the universe ! It's infinite ! I did the numbers !" hahahaha wowwwwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!!! Someday very soon, all people will realize what kind of world we can have... TODAY !!!!!!!!! Again, thank you Tony !
A side not, a thought A burger is a burger. Meat, chewing, wiping the catsup off your beard... I love choice. What if they market these lab-grown, nutritionally equivalent options in Pill form or from a Star Trek replicator, served to you by a humanoid robot. Might work?????
a sure fire recipe for even more corporate control of the food system. I fear he is right, I pray he is wrong. Not that there isn't a huge amount wrong with the meat industry (well, the farming industry of the global North full stop). But more corporate control is NOT going to make anything better for anyone.
So what is the source matter that ends up as food? In other words what is the input that creates the output. Is this still agriculturally grown crops that use gmo microorganisms to convert to customized proteins?
Exactly. In other words, setting meat and dairy “industries” aside, what happens to farms and farmers? Is farmland just repurposed to crops that feed the new industries or are they getting disrupted too?
Well, The Impossible Burger is made out of dried lentils and and industrially processed seed oils (canola). We do monocrop farming with these inputs and spray them with a lot of round up which destroys the soil. So maybe we will need more of these monocrop GMO grain and seed growers to make our fake meats.
Lots of land freed up for other purposes, for example reforestation which could provide a sustainable and abundant (cheap) source of wood ans a carbon stock for housing, and have massive co-benefits for fresh air, water cycles and others.
#PrecisionFermentation is a no-brainer for Space. Not just for food. PF can be used to make materials, medicine, vitamins, cosmetics, etc. And not just proteins, but almost any organic molecule in nature. As long as you have a source of water, energy, nitrogen and carbs, you could make hundreds (eventually millions) of products onsite.
I still don’t understand what is put into the precision fermentation process by way of “feed stock” to make the proteins for milk. Can someone tell me please?
Yes! All the different food possiblities will be so interesting to see develop. However, how healthy will this new PF food be? Testosterone and sperm counts are greatly dropping in Western society, a 50% reduction in the last few decades, due to micro plastics. How will these artifically generated protiens effect the human body? What type of side effects will come from this?
From a data point, you make a huge jump to a cause. And before we look at causes, we need to confirm the validity of that data which was first reported in Finland - and subsequently found to be inaccurate. Of course, the cause of the solution was Nokia mobile phones. Have a Frunky day!
From a data point, you make a huge jump to a cause. And before we look at causes, we need to confirm the validity of that data which was first reported in Finland - and subsequently found to be inaccurate. Of course, the cause of the solution was Nokia mobile phones. Have a Frunky day!
I can see how man made milk might be acceptable. Many people like meat as we know it today I think many people will hold out for traditional meat if they can afford the choice.
Mr Seba, have you considered what the confluence of AI internet research engines,advanced grphics like Unreal engine 5, voice emulation and deepfke technology will have on your own industry? Soon people can experience Tony Seba at a cost of pennies to the dollar and the whole Tony Seba industry will be disrupted.
This is worrying. A reductionist view on food is messing with our very basic need of living. Food is so much more than just a bunch of ingredients we have been able to identify. I'd agree for the mass products to be of such low quality it can probably be reduced to protein xyz, but it cannot be the norm
Until I am prohibited by law to grow a garden I will continue to do so and try to avoid processed foods that are pro-inflammatory and nutrient deficit.
Let's hope he's right but will we have enough available water to produce the milk etc that is 90% water? Cows extract water from grass: will the new system need clean tap water? If so, isn't that going to be a bigger and bigger problem in the future? Already the river Po in Italy is salinified up to 30km upstream from the Mediterranean because of drought?
Did you ever think from where astronauts on space station have water? We can clean used water and reuse it today, we can get water from air with low energy cost, or even make energy from it. We have technology, it is only about will.
The problem is that cows can use land that other forms of agriculture can't use. You can't grow corn or sugar beats where they is only sage grass and brush. I could see this impacting dairy but not meat production. Also I would not want a couple big corporations to control all my food. Then they could program in what ever they wanted.
yeah because grass and corn are total different family of plants... sorry, but you can grow many plants on farms, and many plants are growing where you can't grow cows.
Tony has a few MAJOR things wrong here. I'm a fan of Tony's work. But you can't just say a cow is the most inefficient food production animal or method.... There's A LOT of land that is only really good for growing grasses, not monocrop farming, and cattle keep that land fertile by recycling the grass that grows there. You can't just wipe out cows and monocrop farm everything. We're already doing that and the health of the Earth's soil is degrading rapidly. Cows keep earth fertile, and any talk about getting rid of them is globalist nonsense to control your food supply. Grazing cows keep fields much more healthy than chemical herbicides/pesticides and fake fertilizer!
We don't need chemical herbicides/pesticides and fake fertilizer when when we don't have cows. The areas used for meat production will remain as they were before they were destroyed by meat production.
What will this lab grown meat be made of? As a person who uses carnivore diet for health reasons I am very concerned for my health. I hope it can stay zero carb and have the same fat and protein balance. I’m scared of this 😢
I had the opportunity to have an impossible burger on a plane in the premium cabin and I opted for something else. 6 people around me tried the impossible burger. 100% took one bite and sent it back and had nothing else the the remainder of the flight.. I'll have the real thing, thanks.
I hear what you're saying Tony. But I'm not going to be giving up steak, lamp, venison, chicken etc ever. Even if it becomes much more expensive. But this is good news for all the poor people and poor countries in the world. I guess the Government's don't need to confiscate the land from Farmers now though, as it'll be disrupted all by itself.
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Can we get like 15 more parts??? 😅
All of this is amazing, really gives a great lens to see the world by.... A good antidote to 99% of what's said in the lamestream media.
I’m skeptical of synthetic food disruption. There will be a public backlash where people don’t trust synthetically grown food. I agree with the other disruptions Tony lectures about… but not food.
People also didn't trust smelly and noisy automobiles at first, but as soon as they saw the upsides they wanted one.
@6:90 yes they went from Cane. To high fructose corn syrup to aspartame. Which is worst for us and our bodies ability to regulate our own sugar in our system. Its reckless and careless of them and the "consumer"
People in the future will think it’s weird that we used to eat animals
Yes, pass me my lentil and canola oil burger that is dyed with beets to look like meat. I approve of our soy future.
Yes, future humans will think it not only weird that we ate real animals but how horrifically cruel it was.
@@jazzysamba Absolutely!
We are primitive
@@-whackdYou didn't watch the video?
Tony Seba, you are a visionary! Please keep treating us with more episodes! Most of us don't get blessed with this insight but we want to stay curious!
I think it’s important for people to realize that proteins are not just food. The keratin in your hair is the same protein that is found in animal horns. Imagine that we can have low cost 3d printable animal horn, the material not the shape. We could build anything made of wood out of keratin or chitin and 3-D print it. We’re not there yet, in 2019 MIT printed a large sculpture made from chitin. That was extraordinarily laborious, but with a few generations of innovation it will no longer be, this will probably take 5 to 8 years. The big change here is going to be in land usage. Overtime the inputs to these precision fermentation factories will come directly or indirectly from algae ponds which can double in algae volume every day. This will be so much faster than traditional agriculture that it’s almost unthinkable. We are at the cusp of so much radical change that it makes sense for society to be as disrupted as it currently is. The next decade is going to make the last two decades look slow in comparison.
Thank you Tony Seba!
I think about how the UK countryside is mostly designed by sheep and cows. Farmers are going to have to change what they do. This has massive implications. This disruption needs careful implementation. Massive changes !
While Industrial Revolution did go to factories and destroy machine (and it was in UK), but I don't think they would do same in our century, but I think impact will be similar.
But I don't think that where are people which think that having one clothes for whole life is better, than what we have today.
This man is a FREAKING GENIUS !! Love his talks, have been his biggest fan since 2016. He has been spot on about EVs, FSD and Solar Energy way way before anyone was even thinking about it.
He seems way behind on this one though. I hope not, but compared to the chart at the end of this talk, current adoption is much lower.
@@iyla_18agree
Hope this disruption will end the large scale destruction we carry out towards diff kinds of land and sea life
Eye opening as always Tony. Building from your previously published work in so many ways. I am finding traction talking to people about how dramatic disruption will be and having to balance with positive aspects to prevent the 'Luddite shock' effect. There needs to be a positive message to prevent the fudsters promoting a false narrative which destabilises civilisation!
Just did a quick calculation for my country the Netherlands.
Total land area is 3,3 million acres of which 25% is being used by the dairy farmers.
So I guess in the coming years we have more than enough space to build houses or create extra nature.
There is currently a heated debate regarding the nitrogen deposits of the farmers which are damaging biodiversity in nature areas. I never heard precision fermentation being proposed as a solution: apparently it is still under the radar.
I think people from countries having a tradition of producing cheese will stick to milk from cows. In this specific area, milk is not only a question of raw material, but mainly a question of "terroir".
@@Fireinthesky67 Many people will go for the cheapest option if it doesn't negatively affect taste (or for a minority: health).
Mind-blowing!! Love it! Being a professional in "the current" animal production sector, I am concerned!! But no doubts about @Tony Seba words. It will happen!! Looking for the new opportunities that will bear from such protein transition! Exciting times ahead!!
His talks, if you listen, tell you what you should be divesting from now. Also he's been right on what to invest in.
Looking at Remilk’s website right now, they say their process emits 97% less greenhouse gases, uses 1% of the land, 4% of the feedstock (important!), and 10% of the water compared to using cows for dairy. The number that really gets me here is the feedstock. Feeding the cows is the biggest expense in dairy/beef production. This means that Remilk’s process (and equivalent processes) could be FAR cheaper than using cows. Reducing greenhouse gases, land and water use, that’s just bonus. And 4% of the feedstock means 4% of the land use at the feed end, so this could allow us to rewild tremendous amounts of land, improving biodiversity and the world we live in.
It won't allow the rewinding of anything. The cows eat corn and soy stalks, stems, cobs, and leaves. They eat recycled products from plant agriculture.
@@-whackdwhat? You didn't see the 4% number did you?
Lots of implications for food security here. This will be an interesting policy space in the future.
A brilliant expose of PF Milk and Diary.....with an amazing potential to contribute to food security....especially infants and children in developing countries...and even significantly reducing methane emissions...time is now to spread this disruptive technology worldwide.....but caution that the price needs to be affordable for the poor, unlike insulin which today is unaffordable, for example some in USA having to travel to Canada to buy "cheaper" their essential insulin.....Thank you Tony Seba 🙏🙏🙏
Unfortunately, the cost of insulin in the US is not based on manufacturing cost but on monopolistic market practices enabled by the FDA.
@@GntlTch Now take a look at our current food industry. Greed will ruin this just like everything else.
Thanks for yet another excellent video
Thank goodness that we have UA-cam so we have universal access to this type of high quality content. Years ago this would have been relegated to an Open university tv programme show after midnight on a Tuesday evening watched by a handful of people. I’m heavily invested in this future tech so have a vested interest in its success. I’m also strongly against the animal agriculture industry so it can’t come soon enough for me.
Which are some publicly-traded PF companies to invest in today?
6:30 probably one of the worst things that happened to Americans health
Plenty of food for thought, apologies.
Thanks to you Tony, i invested in Tesla and now I'm a millionaire
😂soon your Tesla stock will be worth nothing
@@walterrudich2175 Today, Tesla can drive you home from the pub while you sleep. When it becomes legal, the stock will explode. Eruption has occurred.
I wish we could tip/leave thanks on your presentations. Keep up the great work
I disagree, there's other forces at play that you aren't taking into account. The first generation of these fake meats are incredibly unhealthy compared to meat. The proteins aren't high quality protein, the fats are inflammatory omega-6 fats and there are far less nutrients as compared with meat.
The development of ultra-processed foods is causing a health crisis. Ever since the first developments of synthetic fats and the removal of nutrients in our foods the world is receiving far more chronic diseases such as heart disease and arthritis. Obesity is at such bad levels that it is now completely normalized. It's the reason the life expectancy in the USA, Mexico has been declining for the past 10-15 years despite us consuming far less sugar and exercising more.
Unless we can synthesize molecules that are identical to that in highly nutritious foods, I think this will take far longer than you think.
I would not write how we can make it better, use own brain, not only look for problems.
I would say that your arguments didn't stop use too much sugar, alkohole and cigarettes, and many more not healthy stuff, so why you think it would stop this?
Can't come soon enough animal ag is incredibly destructive to the environment and factory farms and slaughterhouses are grotesque.
In California agriculture consumes 80 % of the state’s water. Human consumption is 20%. The number one water consuming crop is alfalfa that is fed to livestock, primarily cows. Here’s the kicker- agriculture accounts for only 3% of California’s GDP !
Some animal agriculture. How does a Bison look in the environment compared to a cow?
@@chrisjones6736 Bisons are still bovines and are still ruminants. They needs tons of land and water and they release methane a very potent GHG.
Imagine not subtracting green water calculations and not subtracting urination from these consumption calculations
Does the water just vanish into another dimension when the cows drink water? This is what these calculations assume
@@elijahizere , it won’t make any difference, big disruption in dairy ua-cam.com/video/g6gZHbfK8Vo/v-deo.html
Please make another indicator protfolio for each part - like you did before!
Cool, I in the future I can have a spider meat sandwich and a lemur milk shake. The future is gonna be weird.
Amazing! Thanks for sharing
Love your disruption presentations, Tony. Was just talking with a friend about silly, old customs we cling on to, and neck ties are one of the silliest, non-essential pieces of fashion we cling to today. Would be GREAT for all men to stop wearing neck ties, except on rare occasions when they want to, while women ditch high heels and uncomfortable skirts and disrupt fashion. SO looking forward to the day when we stop killing animals for meat and chopping down trees for paper and wood and progress forward with new technologies. Keep up the great work!
be careful what you wish for. we have our S curve in health; getting sicker and sicker the more we move away from natural animal foods. modern diseases are virtually non -existent in traditional societies that rely on animal products for most of their needs.
do you really believe these new fake foods will give us the perfect/optimal balance of nutrients and mineral our evolved biology requires. they won't because it's about profit not health. we have normalised illness and people rely on the drug industry to mask symptoms without actually curing anything. it's all profit driven.
the rich will continue to eat the food that optimises health, i.e. natural food.
Wow! This gave me hope for the future. Thanks so much for your hard work!
Interesting topic you don't hear about much. One thing to be careful of though is many biological processes are a lot more complex than they appear. Babies have been fed a simple formula for a long time, but it turns out that mother's milk has antibiotics that help the babies' immune system that formula doesn't have as one example.
So we learn more thanks to this. But I don't think that most people eat burgers because they are good for your health ;)
Excited for the future. I am participating in this future with my 2021 Tesla Model Y. Looking forward to the costs dropping and longer range so that EV transition accelerates. I won't miss dairy farms either. Nothing nostalgic doubt animal husbandry.
More Tony?! HELL YEAH!!!
Disrupting the cow!🐄
Time to moooove over?
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I'll get my coat
@@rogerstarkey5390 that joke was udderly necessary, off the hoof and will age like good leather. Yes I milked that for all it was worth. 😀
Money Money Money Money Money Money 😂
The best part of these lectures is the vision of the future where life is going to be better. Seems like every other thing I watch is about how the world is going to hell and there doesn't seem to be any will or possibility of it getting better.
Unless you are a livestock farmer... It's going to be a painful transition in many ways
Fascinating! I'm wondering what the raw materials of precision fermentation are? You can't make something from nothing, so what are you feeding those microorganisms as their building blocks? Sugar? From what source?
Thank you for this observation. That’s been one of my main concerns with Tony Sheba’s presentations. He never mention raw materials. He presentations on solar, EV and batteries never mention raw materials.
@@babyblair2010 and because this, he was wrong 10 years ago? It is same as saying that batteries will not be recycle because we don't do it today.... yeah, today. Same with materials for solar or batteries (EV don't have any special over ICEV) they change with time, as sodium batteries are not using cobalt or lithium, so looking at today materials is not best method.
And as @Galven mention they are same what we feed today, and they are not problem, because what we change is only how efficient is converting from one state to another, not what is source.
As batteries can be at most completely recycled, same with water (Singapur is doing it already, or on space station), so why not food. Because most what is need for life is energy, and specific elements are only needed to do conversion.
Can't wait!
Suger isn’t just measured on sweetness, the tasting experience is way more complex in duration of sweetness. That’s why none of the artificial sweeteners has been able to reproduce it exactly, while they are much sweeter.
@@yomanyo327 after 40 years.. yes.
The technology is very interesting, but a large percentage of the population will stick to the real thing for the same reasons we avoid sugar, artifical sweeteners and processsed foods in general.
What is large? You think most don't eat processed food?
At least I don’t
This is so awesome and eye-opening! Thanks!
I hope someone is already inventing and perfecting food replicators for work, home, wherever. Food at the right temperature, texture and form in a short order. Because cooking is not only somewhat dangerous (like my coworker who went home to find her house burned down), but also unhealthy and expensive.
Great point at the end of this: You WILL still be able to have an artisan Kobe ribeye steak in 2035. Just like you can still ride a horse. A basic necessity turned into an extravagant indulgence/hobby.
This means countries like Pakistan which import 90% of their edible oil can switch to PF Ghee and pay off their entire foreign debt from the savings.
Amyris was one of the first companies in the PF space and recently built one of the largest fermentation farms in the world in Brazil. It went broke and is in bankruptcy right now. This is in spite of hundreds of millions in investment from John Doerr. It takes years to build these plants as I know from owning Amyris. Gingko is also another company in that space and is a penny stock. I think this revolution is coming but I see it taking much longer than he models unless the US government provides IRA like incentives. It’s a chicken and egg problem and we need years to build out the plants.
When they start making PF Wagu Ribeye steak I am 100% in
Awesome! 🙂✌️
FWIW, I tried that Impossible meat. Once. I thought it was yucky. Definitely had some meaty taste, but it was still yucky. It's going nowhere unless/until it improves. Growing animal muscle cells in a dish might work better.
SMR will be onto this
Sure seems like Health Insurance Companies and Medicare would be receptive to a Whole Food Plant Based vegan message.
It would save them money on health care costs. This could off set the lobbying by food manufacturers.
Maybe educating health Insurance Companies and Medicare administrators should be a priority.
amrs is at the center of this drive. well worth looking into the company. would love tony's take on their programs.
This presentation was very, very interesting. So the whole dairy chain it's about to collapse... Being a Swiss, this concerns me a lot 🧀🧀Thank you.
PS: Do you plan on presenting the disruption about home construction as well ?
and here in NZ, but its too impactful to keep doing as is.
If I'm not mistaken, one of the founders of Air B&B is now on the board of Tesla. Tesla may take over housing also. And with the new Twitter and payment through there... SpaceX and being able to be across the planet within 30 minutes.... real estate prices dropping due to parking lots being torn up because nobody owns a car. This is the great reset. It's cheaper to own nothing and roam the planet as a nomad. Pay maybe $500USD/yr for transport... $500/yr for housing... $500/yr for internet access... $500/yr for food. The real question is ... when does the cost of high quality education drop and we start pumping out engineers as fast as Tesla is pumping out batteries? Actually, I think AI will take that over.
Edit: Didn't even consider the drop in land prices due to lack of farming and animal ag collapsing, along with parking lots being torn up. I think we'll have to let most of it regreen/permaculture and the rest go to housing.
@@projekt5219 just the materials and labour cost in housing make $500 per year a pipe dream. Housing is expensive where people want to live, and most people actually want to live where there are facilities, entertainment, healthcare etc. Thats why cities are generally more expensive- more demand. Yes, prices drop as people can do a lot of work somewhere else- but don’t underestimate how many people like living in cities.
@@markedwards4879 I have some thoughts. What if the cost of labor also crashes due to technologies such as robots, and then (in concordance with abundance of energy) new "cities" could spring up. Of course, high demand land such as coastlines could/would still be expensive, but it seems at least conceivable that those prices could happen elsewhere.
@@AlphaCrucis unlikely. Have a look at how much a simple house costs even in countries with very cheap labour etc. I agree that things will get cheaper - especially with robots in the workforce - but a cost of $500pa would mean that the actual cost of house, land, utilities and everything else is under $20k, and that someone would make it available for rental for pretty well zero return.
I hope there will be a homebrew market for hobbyists. I'd like to get a hold of some of that cow yeast and make me a five gallon bucket of steak.
@@yomanyo327 lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
I love this series ❤
I think it is a fascinating technology, and of great potential value. But I think we have to be cautious, as with any new technology. With great power comes great responsibility.
Consider all the micronutrients and other things that could be beneficial to us, inside the naturally produced foods?
For example, if you only take the protein in milk as relevant, you lose out on the health effects (both benefits and costs) of the other nutrients in natural milk.
It will be possible to make far more healthy food this way controlling everything thats in it. Naturally produced foods are very irregular. As for milk some of us are partly evolved to digest it, I can't drink raw milk now. Then theres quite a bit of milk thats not really great to drink such as blood serum, antibodies and such.
Why can’t we watch the entire thing?
As far as I heard insulin for diabetics is still produced from animals, not precision fermentation.
If a dairy farmer cant sell hid old cows for burgers and mince meat a big part of their income disapears.
This is what we desperately need to combat climate change! Having children is by far the biggest negative contributor to climate change, but the second biggest is animal agriculture. Even if your average moron continues to be ignorant on climate change, they will eventually switch to animal-free products simply because they will be cheaper. Their many children will also make the switch.
Very interesting topic. Specially with the food crisis because the war. Can something change dramatacally quickly?
Technology can't change fast enough for current hunger problems. That requires a political change.
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Don't agree. Food shortages are currently due to distribution problems.
If we produce meat, milk, and other products close to markets, where people are, then distribution problems decrease.
Meat and milk via a fermentation process along with close to market vertical farming for produce could produce vast amounts of food where it is needed.
Remote rural areas largely need to be taught how to capture rainwater to recharge aquifers and grow a mix of crops that feed them year round. They need help to move off the famine and feast cycle of monocrops.
Eliminate dairy farms is the right move, however this will need to be done with cost efficient meat production. When a dairy cow is past its prime in milk production that animal is sold to discount meat producers. McDonald's, taco bell, dog food, and every other second grade meat products will go up in price, without the cheap dairy meat.
Great! There are a lot of things we need to fix by 2035. Like phytoplankton; the main source of oxygen in Earth's atmosphere...
Shouldn't they be replicating human milk instead ?
Do you know what substances will be fermented?
Tony Seba was wrong. He said there would be a beef product with price parity in 2024. There is not one beef product on the market. I would love for anyone to link me to a precision fermentation company making beef protein and let me know their costs.
According to the media, the crisis in meat and milk production has already started.
It will be interesting to see what happens to the population of agricultural animals. Unlike horses, where people keep them for pets and riding or sport, not many people will want to manage the cost and work involved with keeping something like a dairy cow.
Do we end up preserving them in special zoos or do they go endangered?
There are already farms that raise heritage breeds of animals. I imagine that will expand.
People who want to eat some beef rather than dried lentils mixed with industrially processed canola oil will make sure there is a market for them.
@@-whackd I suggest that you re-watch the video and look at what is happening on a wider scale. We will be growing meat without the animal, a fraction of the cost and indistinguishable from other meat. The market for “real” meat will decline dramatically, which means less volume, which means higher overheads and costs, more expensive and even less demand. I like my rib-eye on the bone more than most, but can see the writing on the wall.
@@markedwards4879 the marketing you have been fooled by says they will be 'indistinguishable' from real meat. in reality they are nowhere near being able to reproduce meat in a lab that replicates a grass fed cow. not even close.
we evolved eating fatty meat, our biology is optimised eating this way. the modern narratives of saturated fat etc is bad has led to the greatest S curve of disease in human history. in traditional societies these diseases are virtually non existent, but we have normalised them.
it's all about profit so yes dairy will be disrupted but it will continue as before, i.e. at the expense of our health. making the health industry more profit.
@@gazlives let’s talk again in 10 years
I want to invest in Remilk 🙃
What about precision fat? Butter, olive oil, avacado oil. Bacon.
I could not help but laugh at what good news this is !!!!!!!! "The number of potential proteins available for use in food as software through precision fermentation is more than the number of atoms in the universe ! It's infinite ! I did the numbers !" hahahaha wowwwwwwwww !!!!!!!!!!!! Someday very soon, all people will realize what kind of world we can have... TODAY !!!!!!!!! Again, thank you Tony !
A side not, a thought
A burger is a burger. Meat, chewing, wiping the catsup off your beard...
I love choice. What if they market these lab-grown, nutritionally equivalent options in Pill form or from a Star Trek replicator, served to you by a humanoid robot.
Might work?????
I am very sceptica about actual meat/fish being disrupted and replaced. all the available products are highly unimpressive.
May I Offer You A Snow Crab Substitute .
a sure fire recipe for even more corporate control of the food system. I fear he is right, I pray he is wrong. Not that there isn't a huge amount wrong with the meat industry (well, the farming industry of the global North full stop). But more corporate control is NOT going to make anything better for anyone.
So what is the source matter that ends up as food? In other words what is the input that creates the output. Is this still agriculturally grown crops that use gmo microorganisms to convert to customized proteins?
Exactly. In other words, setting meat and dairy “industries” aside, what happens to farms and farmers? Is farmland just repurposed to crops that feed the new industries or are they getting disrupted too?
Well, The Impossible Burger is made out of dried lentils and and industrially processed seed oils (canola). We do monocrop farming with these inputs and spray them with a lot of round up which destroys the soil. So maybe we will need more of these monocrop GMO grain and seed growers to make our fake meats.
Lots of land freed up for other purposes, for example reforestation which could provide a sustainable and abundant (cheap) source of wood ans a carbon stock for housing, and have massive co-benefits for fresh air, water cycles and others.
How will this impact space travel?
#PrecisionFermentation is a no-brainer for Space. Not just for food. PF can be used to make materials, medicine, vitamins, cosmetics, etc. And not just proteins, but almost any organic molecule in nature. As long as you have a source of water, energy, nitrogen and carbs, you could make hundreds (eventually millions) of products onsite.
I still don’t understand what is put into the precision fermentation process by way of “feed stock” to make the proteins for milk. Can someone tell me please?
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Yes! All the different food possiblities will be so interesting to see develop. However, how healthy will this new PF food be? Testosterone and sperm counts are greatly dropping in Western society, a 50% reduction in the last few decades, due to micro plastics. How will these artifically generated protiens effect the human body? What type of side effects will come from this?
From a data point, you make a huge jump to a cause. And before we look at causes, we need to confirm the validity of that data which was first reported in Finland - and subsequently found to be inaccurate. Of course, the cause of the solution was Nokia mobile phones. Have a Frunky day!
From a data point, you make a huge jump to a cause. And before we look at causes, we need to confirm the validity of that data which was first reported in Finland - and subsequently found to be inaccurate. Of course, the cause of the solution was Nokia mobile phones. Have a Frunky day!
That, was intense
What about the nutritional value if any?
Fruit and vegetables will still exist.
Yay more high fructose corn syrup products
Do a video on the Tesla bot 👍🏼
How many people were in the audience? Even when Tony cracks a joke there is just silence in response. Geat information, though.
will we be able to get bananas ever again? artifical bananas? hope so
As a vegan it amazes me that people still kill animals and eat their flesh. This is a wonderful future. Optimistic.
Grow a pair old man
@@angelguzman5512 thanks for your insightful and deeply analytical comment.
I can see how man made milk might be acceptable. Many people like meat as we know it today I think many people will hold out for traditional meat if they can afford the choice.
Mr Seba, have you considered what the confluence of AI internet research engines,advanced grphics like Unreal engine 5, voice emulation and deepfke technology will have on your own industry? Soon people can experience Tony Seba at a cost of pennies to the dollar and the whole Tony Seba industry will be disrupted.
Will this also leapfrog over hydroponic farms?
Nothing like jumping from the frying pan and into the fire.
This is worrying. A reductionist view on food is messing with our very basic need of living. Food is so much more than just a bunch of ingredients we have been able to identify. I'd agree for the mass products to be of such low quality it can probably be reduced to protein xyz, but it cannot be the norm
Until I am prohibited by law to grow a garden I will continue to do so and try to avoid processed foods that are pro-inflammatory and nutrient deficit.
So do you think today pants and animals use in food wasn't modify by humans? It take longer, but same effect.
Starving people for your ideology is crappy human behavior.
What could go wrong? Any doctors here?
Let's hope he's right but will we have enough available water to produce the milk etc that is 90% water? Cows extract water from grass: will the new system need clean tap water? If so, isn't that going to be a bigger and bigger problem in the future? Already the river Po in Italy is salinified up to 30km upstream from the Mediterranean because of drought?
Did you ever think from where astronauts on space station have water? We can clean used water and reuse it today, we can get water from air with low energy cost, or even make energy from it. We have technology, it is only about will.
The problem is that cows can use land that other forms of agriculture can't use. You can't grow corn or sugar beats where they is only sage grass and brush. I could see this impacting dairy but not meat production. Also I would not want a couple big corporations to control all my food. Then they could program in what ever they wanted.
yeah because grass and corn are total different family of plants... sorry, but you can grow many plants on farms, and many plants are growing where you can't grow cows.
Wow! Is that true?
Anyone buying Agronomics stock?
Tony has a few MAJOR things wrong here.
I'm a fan of Tony's work. But you can't just say a cow is the most inefficient food production animal or method....
There's A LOT of land that is only really good for growing grasses, not monocrop farming, and cattle keep that land fertile by recycling the grass that grows there.
You can't just wipe out cows and monocrop farm everything. We're already doing that and the health of the Earth's soil is degrading rapidly. Cows keep earth fertile, and any talk about getting rid of them is globalist nonsense to control your food supply.
Grazing cows keep fields much more healthy than chemical herbicides/pesticides and fake fertilizer!
We don't need chemical herbicides/pesticides and fake fertilizer when when we don't have cows. The areas used for meat production will remain as they were before they were destroyed by meat production.
What will this lab grown meat be made of? As a person who uses carnivore diet for health reasons I am very concerned for my health. I hope it can stay zero carb and have the same fat and protein balance. I’m scared of this 😢
I had the opportunity to have an impossible burger on a plane in the premium cabin and I opted for something else. 6 people around me tried the impossible burger. 100% took one bite and sent it back and had nothing else the the remainder of the flight.. I'll have the real thing, thanks.
Everybody going to die from cancer from this😂
Good for the earth.
I hear what you're saying Tony. But I'm not going to be giving up steak, lamp, venison, chicken etc ever. Even if it becomes much more expensive. But this is good news for all the poor people and poor countries in the world. I guess the Government's don't need to confiscate the land from Farmers now though, as it'll be disrupted all by itself.
I'm with you on this.. I have Histamine intolerance so I'm all meat and fat no carbs at all...
Never say never. I remember so many people saying they'd never use a microwave