Coming Soon: A Post-Cow World - Precision Fermentation
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- We are on the cusp of a major disruption in how we feed ourselves. This video is a quick summary of a report from RethinkX on where agriculture is headed over the next decade, and it's mind blowing! Tony Seba gives a great presentation here on YT. And you can download the whole report in PDF here:
www.rethinkx.c...
Great job of summarizing our report - thank you!
Thank you, Catherine. I'm finding all of your work to be incredibly interesting and inspiring! In the unlikely event that you would ever find it useful to use this as an 'elevator pitch' introduction to your report, please feel free.
@@theflexitariantimes8140 Agreed. Their research and insights are outstanding!
You guys are funny. Stick to solar and robots. No need to mess with people's food. We've had enough with the GMO already and so many people developing allergies and health problems listening to bad advice.
It can be argued that our food has been thoroughly 'messed with' for well over 100 years. The results have been a mix of bad (allergies and health problems) and good (warding off massive global famine). I personally expect that mix of outcomes to continue. The current system does not appear to be sustainable over the long haul.
@@jd01665they’re just reporting it. GMO is completely different to this.
An eye opening presentation. The future looks bright.
I read the report when it first came out and was very excited. This video is the most effective explanation of so far. I looking forward to seeing prices for "software" animal products to come down and an area in the US the size of the Louisiana Purchase to be freed from current animal product use and returned to nature to fight climate change. Imagine, no more destruction of the Amazon for Mc Donnald's hamburgers!
Bison grazing on the great plains was natural! We need quality grass fed meat for quality protein. This is brainwashing! Research PLANT ANTINUTRIENTS on the web!!!! Our populations are decreasing now, see Peter Zeihan, geopolitisist. Stuff your lab made chemical poisons up your esophagus.
A wonderful re-packaging of Tony Seba’s RethinkX work. Thank you. This message can’t get out there enough right now.
multitudes of thanks to Tony Seba, an unsung genius. this sort of thing will be devastating to lots of people, oil, ag , trucking, etc.
Disruptions are never fun for the disrupted, but there are a lot of instances of people coming out the other side in better shape than they were before.
James, it’s that devastation (which I guess is what most of us are referring to by it’s ‘softer’ cousin’s name - disruption) that I’m hugely interested in.
I live (and work) in a rural community in southwest Victoria, Australia. Literally surrounded by dairy farms: about 25% of Australia’s dairying (just over 1,000 dairy farms) occurs in my region.
PF came to my attention a few months back but, since then, has held my gaze. I’m interested in teasing out the (potential) impact that the disruption of an industry that forms the lifeblood of so many of the smaller villages and townships of my area, is going to have. So far, I’ve not found any info suggesting that many people are looking into this from that angle. I’m tipping PF is still too new, for most. Every time I ask anyone about whether they’ve even heard about precision fermentation, I’m met with blank stares. (Which, TBH, was exactly my reaction if you’d asked me earlier this year.)
Vince, thanks again for these clips. They’re breaking down what is a potentially very difficult subject into beautifully crafted and easily understood chunks. You’re doing a great job. I’ve subscribed and am spreading the news about your site, and your material.
Cheers, Tony
@@tonymcauliffe3083 appreciate the concern, and there are other layers of disruption on country towns to consider. What happens to the viability of country towns when autonomous cars bring them so much closer to cities, when energy is better collected and used on a distributed basis, when AI brings professional help to you so easily. All these things together could create new possibilities. With the way people can be so creative, I feel positive about the potential viability of country towns.
Good job. RethinkX poses a new very prosperous future if we can work out the distribution problems.
This idea is being sold to you by people who want to patent everything you eat so they are sure to get their cut of the profit.
You did an incredible job at conveying this upcoming transition that so few people know about or understand today... Thanks and subscribed!
Thank you, Jordan. I've been occupied of late doing video work for a startup alt-protein company, so I'm certainly behind on new content. Lots to talk about, though!
Wow! Amazingly informative, clear, and easy to understand. Thank you for taking the time to make this - sharing it everywhere!
Thank you!
Thank you. Hope to see more on this expanding market.
Perfect description. So glad this is happening. This is inevitable and will cause an uproar from politicians...Can't wait to watch the show....LOL
An interesting show indeed. Some constituencies will be more disrupted than others, but there are MANY opportunities as well. You see politicians lining up on both sides. Yes, time to break out the popcorn!
uproar is gonna be rough, but with adm and conag in the fight there is a chance.
I know meat replacement is an important bridge piece for folks who grew up in my generation with our unimaginative palates, so I thank you for breathing a little hope into the world.
Maybe the kids growing up now get an opportunity to see a mushrooming of agricultural diversity and the subsequent quality of life that it brings.
Fabulous video and well-presented! Thank you so much!
This is some of the best news I’ve found out about in many years. Thanks for making this great clear video.
I first came here for an assignment I had to write, but it was explained in such an understandable manner !
Thanks you !
Thanks! That was the goal.
I first saw this and Vince's other videos about 18months ago. For most of the time since then, Ive been frustrated at the lack of progress in PF entering the mainstream. However, things seem to have started happening over the last 6 months or so - not least the FDA approvals. I would love Vince to do a follow up 'PF - where we are in 2023' video.
I may have to do that. There has been quite a bit happening in the PF and cultured meat space.
great video! i know i'm several months late but i'm really excited about this topic, and this video increases that excitement.
Thanks! It’s never too late to get excited about this stuff:)
Wow! Like everyone else is commenting, this was really really great.
that is EXACTLY what i am waiting for as a substitue for these Halaled, Kosher and Meats in general. Stop cruality towwards animals.
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@@JamesKennedy-zs8goexactly
As long as no cruelty to insects or plants!
Vegetarians and vegans have an obsessive, almost psychopathic desire to eat plants and unborn chickens etc.
Insects are animals, too!
@@JamesKennedy-zs8godon’t be a dick
it's coming, and it will be awesome
Phenomenal explenation of such an inspirational world-changing technology. Thanks for making it. You sir, have a new subscriber
Wow, thanks!
Fantastic !!
Why thanks!
Bang On !!! Thanks !!
brilliant delivery!
Why thank you!
Excellent summary! And great source material - RethinkX is truly transformative thinking.
It really is! Thanks for the comment.
This was an extremely encouraging video without it ever making me think that it was in anyway unrealistic, overly optimistic. I've seen RethinkX before and they're credible.
Ive been eating pf icecream and me and the kids cant tell the difference. It still expensive atm but cant wait til it gets cheapers. Will enjoy pf pizza when that gets cheaper too
What brand of Ice Cream did you try? I've found Brave Robot near me on sale for $4.99US which is pretty standard for 'high end' ice cream. And yes, I can't WAIT for PF Cheese!
@@theflexitariantimes8140 Brave Robot. My favorite is the raspberry pie flavor. The kids like vanilla w their own topping!
I can't wait!
VERY well produced video. thank you! subscribed
Awesome, thank you!
Thanks for this video. I'm surprised that your videos only started poping up for me after I had watched some videos from Tony Seba and his clean energy disruption videos.
I guess building a UA-cam channel from scratch takes time - if it isn’t related to finance or gaming! Thanks for the sub!
Same here, wow!
I really like the background music!
Very nice video. It should have more views. I can translate the captions to spanish for free if you want to reach a bigger audience.
You know what, forget about the offer. I've checked the automatic translation and it's 95% right. Still looking forward for your next videos.
Thanks, Great video. I can't believe you've had less than 5000 views after 10 months!!!!!!
Thanks! I guess I'm better at making videos than at working the UA-cam algorithm!
The public is highly distrustful of what experts tell us about everything, for good reason.
Vat grown food will,have an uphill battle.
3 years later, we have ground meat and burger substitutes but nothing resembling a whole muscle. It seems that the projections were a little Rosy
Yeah and the cost estimates missed by a mile. Plus a lot of the comparison data is junk. We are not cutting down forests to raise cattle. The land being used to raise cattle isn’t really useful for anything else. We could easily double or triple beef production on current land used. Etc. Then there’s things like milk and byproducts of cattle, pigs chickens etc. feathers, bones, all that stuff is used. It’s like when people want to get rid of oil but don’t think about things like plastics, tar, asphalt, lubricants etc that are made from oil.
But at the end of the day, people want bacon and a good steak.
0:45 - I'd wish. Even with all this stuff, you know that people would justify keeping the world hungry :(
3:13 - In the year 2021, they do an amazing job. I decided to try a burger from a Swedish joint called Max here ( _better than McDonalds, better than Burger King_ ) and they had a plant-based burger. I couldn't taste any difference from it to a regular burger. And even if I hypothetically did, it wouldn't mattered because this burger was de-licious!
5:41 - I am all for this future!
I want this to be the good future. It'd be one step closer, to the Star Trek future.
World hunger has actually improved tremendously in my lifetime (I’m 58). When I was a child, famine regularly killed millions. Today, it’s rare, and usually a result of war rather than food availability or money - armed forces preventing aid workers from reaching areas the soldiers are deliberately starving. This, despite the population doubling in my lifetime! My main concern now is that famine may return in coming decades as a result of massive crop failures due to climate change, especially if (or when) we get above 2c. If we start seeing big production losses of staple crops like wheat, rice, and corn in key growing regions like China, India, and the US midwest, things could get very bad very quickly. We’ve already seen price shocks globally due to war preventing Ukraine (a key growing region) from exporting effectively.
My big hope for precision fermentation isn’t solving world hunger (which I already consider a solved problem for now), but rather enabling indoor factory farming of raw carb/protein/fat feedstocks using algae or something, so we can stop tilling farmland. Rewilding is an essential part of saving the planet too!
Great information. How about an update?
Thank you. An update is certainly due. There has been a lot going on in this space. Unfortunately, just as I got going I became committed to some other projects, and my production style is tedious and time consuming. Not very UA-cam style of talking head. If I get more time and lower my production value a notch, I might be able to relaunch the channel. It’s an interesting space with a lot of potential impact across many aspects of society.
A lot of progress has been made sense this vidio first aired. I remember when Impossible burgers tasted more like the way Alpo dog food smells, today it has a taste and smell of actual meat. I still prefer black bean burgers but then ive never been a fan of meat in general
Great video and content
Much appreciated, Nick
Your video actually has me thinking about Star Trek and how they had that machine that made all of their food.
Me too!
Excellent video!
Thank you!
So interesting thanks so muchhhh 💫
Great if this technology supplant CAFO operations, however, the earth needs rotational grazing for the land to be healthy. Hopefully the two can exist side by side, with precision fermentation to feed the masses, and rotational grazing to heal the earth, increase the topsoil, and ensure we have the minerals and nutrients in the soil that we need. Probably there will always be at least a corner of the food market for beef, even if precision fermentation becomes cheaper and tastes similar.
I agree, and think co-existence with 'niche beef' is a likely outcome for the foreseeable future.
We can only hope
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Yes, I do need to engage more! Thank you for your support.
Fascinating & a cause for hope in the deepening darkness. What else can it do? Do you rate George Monbiot's 'Regenises?' A few friends will be interested in this. I certainly am. Where can I buy it?
Great video. Thank you.
Thank you
You're welcome!
I probably won’t live to see it but people will create replicators we can use in our own kitchens for the precision fermentation. The stock will be digitized similar to how people make yogurt from a starter but printed instead of made by hand.
It’s a complex series of steps to make all that happen so it will be a while.
Well done!
Excellent video! Great news!
I went plant based for health reasons it was amazing! Then it became more amazing as I realized what it really means. The spirituality lift was and has been so beneficial!!!!
Interesting narrative building .
Thank you. These reports can be a little on the dense side. I try to package the overarching ideas for a broader audience.
Futuristic talk, need to wait years before coming to market, then more years to wait before people accept them.
Maybe. But consider how many people said the same thing about automobiles, digital cameras, and mobile internet. In each case about 10-15 years between "Oh right. Not in my lifetime." to "What the hell just happened?!"
it is now 2024. the chart at @0:07 suggests we should be at ~%20. Is that now the case?
No. The ReThinkX models tend to be rather linear, and don't take into account political or economic variables or 'white swan' events that prevent 'straight lines' from ever occurring in real life. I think some aspects of progress are ahead of schedule and others are behind schedule. The important thing is the overall trends when temporally local events that distort the predictions are removed from the analysis. Like I say in the video at 8:07: "Is this all really gonna happen? Well it is the future we're talking about, so, I dunno!"
Super
Talk about a ‘feel good’ story😃! Animal cruelty ended AND we get the land back… happy days indeed👍
@@MjMurphy777 do you really think so? Let’s say they do figure out how to produce an entire cow, every cell down in exact proportion. For example, when I eat my raw steaks I can tear apart the blood vessels, tendons, and even take the meat off the bone. So let’s say they manage to reproduce all of that diversity, then what will it look like in reality? We have a factory, right? It needs ingredients and that means more factories, right? Are you and these guys in the video saying they think can actually do that more efficiently than having humans with land raising their own cows on the grass along with the other plants and animals? And if there is actually any land left after building all the factories and supply chains connecting them, would the humans and animals have enough space to live? If not, it doesn’t sound very cruelty free to me. No space, noisy roads, ugly factories and did we improve the Earth in building all of that? Is it more sustainable than a farm? Does it offer more diversity? More pleasure? More life? I would beg to differ with this entire concept. People need to go back to the land and have their own space instead of taking apartments in 15 minute cities and just eating whatever slop they have at the local restaurant and grocery.
I think you tend to idealize what the modern, high-volume cattle/meat and dairy industries actually look like from an efficiency standpoint. People who believe that factories aren't a part of the modern meat industry are kind of locked into an 'Old MacDonald's Farm' fallacy. Also, I personally don't believe that current efforts to completely replicate the anatomical accuracy of muscle, sinew, etc. will ever succeed. I believe that tastes will evolve over time. A 'cultured meat' or PF fast-food hamburger will become acceptable to the masses sooner rather than later, IMO. It isn't worth the resources required to ALSO attempt to satisfy the palette of a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse customer. First of all, it probably isn't possible. Second of all, it isn't necessary for the disruption of the meat industry. A cottage industry of 'real' meat production for those willing to pay for it can survive, and possibly even thrive, alongside an alternate-protein future that reaps a lot of environmental benefit. People (like Ron DeSantis) tend to oversimplify and politicize what they frame as an 'all or nothing' and 'protect our farmers' kind of message. I agree with you that it would be better going 'back to the land'. If someone has the privilege and resources to do so, more power to them. However, that simply isn't a realistic answer for a world with our current and projected population.
@@theflexitariantimes8140 I like your last point about projected population. Wonder what we are going to do about that. More people with fewer animals could certainly be a problem and it certainly will be a problem if the technology breaks down and majority dare, unlike me, not part of a coop that raises the animals properly and invests in that purpose exclusively. I only eat beef. So I'm not helping the plant industries and hoping they do not prosper(i.e. cigarettes, alcohols, drugs, plant-based slop such as cookies, pasta, and not even fruits and vegetables.) Hope people join and throw out their toothpaste and other manufactured products because it's damn nice here where we just eat beef and other ruminant animals that can actually digest the fiber in the plants and produce a meat that has no carbs which is perfect for humans since they make their own glucose and have no need for eating anything plant based that they can't digest that ruins their teeth or causes health issues with all the toxins and pesticides produced by the plants... The land will be better used by putting animals back onto it and perhaps, if necessary, using robots to help manage that instead of using tractors and stuff that require the land be flat and without trees.
Interesting times ahead. All I know for sure is that it will be different!
Vince, this is an excellent video. So well explained and simple to understand, great job! Really surprised its got such low views, will defo be sharing. Would you mind if I downloaded and shared this video on my Instagram? Will be sure to credit you if you are on Insta?
Thank you, George. A easy-to-digest (no pun intended) explainer was my goal! I got busy on another project just as I was launching, and so haven't been diligent on promotion and algorithm hacking. Feel free to share how you see fit. (And as a composer, I hope you forgive my use of the freebie UA-cam music!)
@@theflexitariantimes8140 amazing, thanks Vince! (and all is forgiven 😂)
Questions: Does that 100X more land efficient account for the land needed to supply the feedstocks, or is it just looking at the land needed for the fermentation equipment-facility? I'm betting it's the latter, and so that will make the the true total land efficiency far less than 100X higher. Ditto on the touted water efficiency. How will this kind of protein compare in price with soybeans? Note that soybean protein is already about 1/10 the price of common meats. Right now too, and since hundreds of years in some cultures, we already have spirulina which is at least 40 times more efficient than raising cattle on high-quality, well-watered pasture land, and spirulina is not only a high quality protein source but is a superfood loaded with antioxidant power (3 grams equals 3 servings of veggies/fruits in anti-oxidant power) and chlorophyll + beat carotene. Note that spirulina is more costly than soybeans (due to its higher facility costs), but still competitive with common meats on protein pricing, even though it's higher in land efficiency, but the land efficiency of soybeans is also very high compared to beef, at least 4 times better and soybeans are also a rich source of other important nutrients, esp minerals...An ideal dietary combo for cost-efficiency is therefore a little spirulina + use soybeans as your primary protein source. Another plus for both spirulina and soybeans is that they can be dried and stored without refrigeration for very long periods of time.
I am merely summarizing the ReThinkX report, so I do not claim to be a subject matter expert. However, my interpretation is that the land and water required for the inputs (feedstock) and processing are what are taken into account for their land and water use claims. Water, for instance, would include irrigation of feedstock, the raising and processing of the animals, through to the finished product. I'm not sure about soy protein being 1/10 the cost of common meats. I do a lot of work with a plant-based chicken maker. They are developing new technology to increase efficiency in the manufacturing of common 'junk food' staples (nuggets, tenders and patties). Their aim is price-parity with your typical Tyson chicken nugget. A part of the challenge is due to the fact that soy and wheat protein isolates cost MORE than chicken by volume. So while a pound of soybeans may be a tenth the cost of a pound of chicken, the processed version that is relevant to this application costs more. (Note that I haven't done the homework to verify this myself, however, that is my understanding based on my work with this company.) Spirulina sounds like a great piece of the future food puzzle, with a well-known past. Although not well known to me! Thank you for pointing that out in your comment.
@@theflexitariantimes8140 Thanks for getting back to me! I understand that you're mainly just passing along info that other experts have passed along to you...That’s OK. As to the land efficiency claims, I have had some experience with folks trying to sell me bioreactor-type systems for algaeculture using sugar as the main feedstock, and I know that they did not count the land used for their feedstocks. So, I'm pretty suspicious of these claims for precision fermentation. Soy, whole soy, and if we just count the protein component (~35%) in it (not going through any isolation process with its extra cost-complexity) really is about 1/10 (or even less) the protein cost compared to common meat. take a chicken breast, 6 oz, 170 g with skin, $3.80...This is about 30% protein...51 g protein...380 cents/51 g ~7.6 cents per gram for the chicken's protein. Soybeans that I buy are now $1.10/kg and they're 35% protein...110 cents/350g ~ 0.3 cents, and so the soybean protein is actually only 0.3/7.6 ~ 1/25 (!) that of the chicken breast's.
Yes, spirulina is a true superfood that seems to be lacking attention nowadays as we run off toward dreams of lab-grown foods, but it’s the real deal. I find it fascinating that so much attention and investment is now being focused on pie-in-the-sky lab meats and milks while spirulina and soybeans are sadly neglected...smells to me like the investor class is looking for ways to make more profits, not for optimal ways to make food less costly and more total land-water efficient. Of course, the other part of the problem is the Western human’s addiction to meat and dairy. So, the investors’ goal is to feed that addiction but do it more efficiently, while the actual highest efficicney lies in changing our path to vegan and using soy and spirulina as staple foods.
Some excellent observations. Perhaps if I get this sucker relaunched perhaps a dive into spirulina would be worth the effort. I know a food scientist who left the plant-based chicken world to focus on algae-based proteins. Long term, I think (hope) our diets and tastes will evolve and the imperative to create convincing analogs for meat products will eventually fade into irrelevancy.
@@theflexitariantimes8140 Amen to that brother! Keep up the great work on your channel and maybe that'll help push things along in the right direction!
Just found this 😊 awesome 😎
Why thank you, Nick!
I just saw this. Have you done an update? thanks
Funfakt: ReMilk is allowed in the US now - it is that much milk that you are able do do chees with it. But saadly not buyable today but a new Production in Denmark substitute 50.000 cows
Good stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you. Great video. Dislike the term 'Flexitarian'- I've reduced my meat intake by about 80% in the past year, but I don't think need a 'label'. Labels are easy to stereotype and denigrate- Who, other than a vegan, would want to be thought of, in the way people think of vegans, i.e. as fundamentalist freaks, who would despise the 80% reduction me, as much as the old meat twice a day me. We need an environmental message, that is not based on personal sacrifice and inevitable doom. We need to spread hope, of the much better world, we already have the science to achieve. I believe attending every protest you can, is much more powerful than making a job out of 'recycling'. Both recycling and carbon Footprint, are the creation of the large petrochemical companies, to make us blame ourselves.
Thank you for your comments. I agree with your sentiments - including on the term flexitarian. All of the …tarian labels perform a disservice to the idea of simply rethinking why we choose to eat how we do. Also I agree on the ultimate futility of individual choices when systemic change is ultimately the only reality-based hope for future of the planet. That’s why I focus on trying to enlighten more people about the existence of real revolutionary possibilities that food tech may offer. While I try to be non-judgmental of ‘hard core’ philosophical vegan warriors, I do shake my head that they frown on those who choose to reduce rather than eliminate animals from their diets, even as the latter actually has a shot at disrupting the more damaging aspects of our current food system.
If I were starting today, it would probably not be called The Flexitarian Times
Most vegans aren’t as you described them. You just did exactly what you were criticizing. But the label vegan is more than simply a diet though that’s a large chunk of it. But the “label” is important because it requires people to know that you do not consume animal products. Whereas a flexitarian doesn’t have a problem there (oh sorry there’s eggs in that! Is no worry to a flexitarian). Veganism is a philosophy not just a diet. “Flexitarian” isn’t a diet it’s just more so a description of eating habits.
@@scerb100 I tried to NOT describe 'most vegans' by specifically referring to the subset of 'hard core philosophical vegan warriors' who frown on those whose actions are furthering the ultimate goal of their philosophy. It wasn't my intent to use a broad brush to label vegans, so I don't think I did what I was criticizing. I totally agree that this is hard to talk about since veganism is as you say a philosophy and not just a diet. And flexitarian isn't a diet. The way I word it for myself personally is 'what I choose to eat is a decision, not a religion'
Yes, I definitely see this will creep into all processed foods - no brainer. However, if you can afford it the top shelf real thing will always be in demand.
I agree. The advent of engines displaced horses. It didn’t eliminate horses. Artisan suppliers of quality, humanely raised animal meat will always find a market among the relatively privileged few who can access it. At one time everyone had a horse. Now almost nobody does. But it doesn’t mean you can’t have one of you have the means.
It's not just foods that this process can make. There is a route to make it even more efficient, rather than using carbohydrates to power the process electricity could do it, already done in nature.
I'd like to know more about this. Any high level articles you could point me toward?
I asked Co-pilot to give me ticker symbols of companies involved in precision fermentation and all the names were private companies.
Precision fermentation of fungi as the base is how we will feed ourselves when we live in undergound cities to escape surface heat and extreme weather from hothouse Earth of the future.
Hmmm. Maybe.
I really hope you're right 🙏
I really can't see a downside to this. I hope it takes off big time!
I'm from Alberta, where oil and beef are the two biggest industries and frankly I can't wait for them to be disrupted. Their influence is both negative and overstretched here and while I enjoy both of their products in moderation, the level of worship of them here reaches Trumpian/Musk proportions...
Is all of this going to lead to better over all human health. Or just make some people richer.
Bacteria probably feel pain and fear of some kind. We are always trying to assuage our moral guilt for existing! Often, we make the situation worse by being in denial.
For me personally, it's not about guilt. It's about logic, science, and sustainability. The more you actually research it all with an open mind, the more obvious it becomes that the amazingly productive and complex food system we've constructed for ourselves, mostly within the past 100 years, comes at an enormous cost. If you're looking to troll a 'bleeding-heart vegan', you've come to the wrong place!
you are good
Gosh. Thanks! I try…
Time for an update??
Yeah, WAAAAY overdue.
What do you think of moolec science
If a tiny fraction of the effort it takes to produce something that resembles meat could be put into educating people how to produce healthy, enjoyable plant based food, we would all be a great deal better off. Highly processed is highly processed.
Yes, that education should take place. The reality, however, is that the vast majority of the human population do not live within a physical situation that allows them to source and produce sustainable, plant-based whole foods. And, despite education, the majority of them still want meat. I have to constantly remind myself that my ability to eat a primarily locally sourced, plant-based whole food diet is a relatively rare privilege of my life circumstances.
I'm not trying to be a downer here...but don't you still have to grow the crops to use in the plant based food and won't that need lots of land and farm machinery?
Well, this video isn't about plant-based as much as it is about precision fermentation. Very different topics. But logically, since animals are inefficient at converting plants to nutrients for us people, land requirements would be significantly less if it was used to feed people directly. That's kinda the point.
Many people think there is a water shortage in California- not true. Eighty percent of California’s water goes to agriculture and the largest consumption goes to alfalfa to feed dairy cows in the Central Valley. You might say California does not have a water problem, it has a cow problem. If agriculture were a major contributor to California’s GDP it would be great, but it’s not, less than 3% of California’s GDP comes from agriculture. Riparian water rights are complicated but thank goodness for precision fermentation , this disruption will put an end to California’s water problem by making dairy farming an industry of the past.
I highly doubt dairy cows consume most of the water. I’ve drove through Cali and just hours and hours of orchards. Almond milk involves a ton of water
@@koltoncrane3099 as stated in my research 80% of California’s water goes towards agriculture, the number one water consuming crop is ALFALFA (hay) which goes to feed cows. If magically all alfalfa crops were to cease growing today that would be enough water to supply 3/4 of CALIFORNIA’S population of 40 million.
There are lots of reasons for sensible agricultural crops in California, our wine rivals that of France, our almonds , pistachios and walnuts are some of the best but alfalfa, tomato’s, rice should be grown where there is plenty of water ( Mississippi Valley).
It is hubris to think the natural processes can be replaced easily, cheaply, and without environmental or health consequences.
I agree! Virtually nothing about our current food system is a natural process and our hubris in thinking that the last few hundred years of tinkering with it is 'natural' has brought us cheap food, but at huge costs to our environment and health. We need to do better.
Excellent video. However, we're talking about protein here. It's been known for quite some time now that the need for protein in our diet has been grossly overestimated. Diets in parts of the world where people life long are all plant-based with little animal protein. But it's still fantastic to envision a world without the cruelty and environmental degradation of animal agriculture.
Sure beats rat burgers like the future Demolition Man perceived!
Sounds great, but how many morr years until economically and culturally a reality?
Culturally, yes. Food is pretty fundamentally tied to cultures. That said, consider how common smoking was in theaters and airplanes in my lifetime, compared to how unthinkable that is today. It just takes today's kids to become tomorrow's adults. And at my age, you really can appreciate how quickly that happens. The car took only 15 years to replace the horse, which had a 10,000 year head start!
I can make lentil burgers that taste very near to the taste of meat at very low price and I've got no-funding
That's great! Sincerely. Enjoy! The question in the context of this video is, can you make lentil burgers that taste very near to meat at a very low price AND at a scale and quality that would compete meaningfully with the industrial mean industry.
@@theflexitariantimes8140 even at a very low scale I can do a better price
Ok, I need some publicly traded companies to invest in for PF. Anyone know of any?
So the future of foods is the same one Isaac Asimov predicted in his novel "The Caves of Steel". I don't mind. This means once again, Sci-fi predicted the future.
I’ve not read that one. I’ll have to check it out.
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Most people prefer meat but maybe the fake stuff will become more popular if the price becomes much more competitive
Thank God the Almighty for cute little bacteria producing proteins!
Fake meat has been known for some time now and still hasn't gotten anywhere. It seems similar to nuclear fusion, always in the near future. I believe they could make some homogenious product like "meat glue" maybe milk or a block of cheese. But the number of technologists and machines needed to produce a structure like in meat will make the product unaffordable.
The graph showing the price is too optimistic. Constants like packaging, labor and transportation will never allow the price to fall so much, to the point that there is no profit for big corporations.
10 x cheaper?????????? When did this language and mathematical nonsense start? You mean 1/10th the cost. What units are in "cheaper" that you multiply by 10 to magically get a lower cost?
As an Engineer {EE} I find this process fascinating with great potential except for some historic facts. Corporations never have the best interest of the public in mind. In just the last century, for example, steel roller mills allowed for massive amounts of white flour to be milled and the bran/germ sold off as cattle feed. Now most everyone could afford the "rich man's" white bread but didn't care up to 40 of the nutrients in wheat berries had been removed. It took a massive increase in pellagra, beriberi, anemia before government, in 1946, forced the millers to "Enrich" the flour and add back in, 4 nutrients out of the 40 they took out. Then it took until 1996 until the millers were forced to add folic acid to stem the increase in birth defects.
Even if you can assure 100% identical protein and texture, what about the nutrients and minerals in true natural products? Or must we go the synthetic route for those? Put back in 5 +/- of the 40 +/- of the nutrients that don't exist in this product?
I can easily imagine how the Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab's, WEF, UN, Globalists of the world can and will manipulate our food supply to achieve their true goal of a massive depopulation of the planet by up to 90%.
Mic drop by Mike. This guy would make content guaranteeing we’d be in flying cars by the 1980s if born in a different era
0:20 dude, unless you bring back buffalo, that swath of land ain’t going back to its natural state.
At the current rate of improvement I am guessing the meat substitutes will be tastier, cheaper and more appealing than real meat within five years.
I hope you're right! I'm a little skeptical about the price thing in 5 years, but it's certainly a possibility.
I’m old and vegan - this will be great for those that feel justified in killing other animals each day because they’re selfish pricks 😂 glad I got that off my chest 😂😂😂
I'm glad you feel better! Yup, even selfish pricks who quit eating animals are still saving animals :)
The world won't have any choice so it will happen.
So why are conservatives against this?
Cool, but we can just eat plants instead of animals and that solves everything. Those alternative meats are for people that don't realize they can just eat plants
Actually, that doesn't solve everything. The fully vegan population is in the low single digits worldwide. There are two big problems with relying on a universal, worldwide transition from eating animal derived sources of nutrition: first, it will never happen. Eating meat and dairy is too deeply culturally and economically embedded to believe that such a transition is possible in the timeframe required to ward off mass famine and environmental catastrophe - even if that's what SHOULD happen. And secondly, even if the previous point were to be incorrect, there is not enough land and water and related resources to provide a minimally processed plants-only diet to the entire global population. It is literally physically impossible. I believe vegans are making a well-informed personal decision in how to eat best for their bodies and for the environment, and are worthy of support. But they need to appreciate that eating that way, and in such a way as to gain the nutrients that they need, is a privilege. It does not scale as a global solution to the problem of feeding a population of 7.5 billion and growing. Thus the alt-proteins, food tech, etc. If you have a path to a minimally-processed and nutritious plant-based diet, please continue to eat that way! No one will force you to eat an Impossible Whopper. But while you do so, be grateful that such options will become increasingly available to a hungry world.
@@theflexitariantimes8140 More people depend on plants than animals and the population hasn't been steadily growing as you suggested and plants are completely the solution. Sure, mock meats for people that want to toy around with what they put in their body is a good alternative to killing animals and the resources required for that. But, the most sustainable, healthy, and logical thing is what billions depend on the most throughout history and now with our innovative agricultural practices and greenhouse technologies. Look at the Netherlands for example, amazing what they've been outputting in such a not likely scenario. Shatters your whole gloom doom pitch
@@VeganLinked It's not a gloom doom pitch. It's unambiguous mathematical reality. You're forgetting that the vast majority of the global population do not live in The Netherlands or anyplace else where such solutions are even remotely viable. As for population... cite data?
@@theflexitariantimes8140 What is not scalable about veganism?? Quitting meat and going vegan would lower the land and water burden by 75%, that's what's commonly claimed...
@@5th_decile Agreed! That would be awesome. But look around you; are the vast majority of people you encounter on a daily basis ever going to go all vegan - even if it’s to save the planet? Not a chance. I’d rather save the planet by using tech to wean people off of animal meet than to watch the planet die, but with the satisfaction of knowing I was ‘right!’
So who are the big winners going to be, because the only thing that could be better than ending animal agriculture is getting rich off it too
That is (perhaps literally) the million dollar question! I'm keeping an eye on the bio-tech sector, following ARK Invest, etc. I'm hoping that way smarter people than I will identify the emerging players. Subject for another video perhaps!
Codexis is one of them I think and it is part of Ark Investment, I am sure there are many more. I have no investment in this as of now but been on my watch list
@@nishkamkarma5591 And now are on mine! Thank you.
Cheaper, that’s the answer.
Yup. Pretty much the only answer. Economics ultimately has to drive any disruption.
The background music is unbearable.
I know. I'm sorry. I won't do it again!
If it wasn't for taxpayer subsidized low nutrition carbs we wouldn't need as much insulin.
Anybody who is considering eating this way please look up the carnivore diet first. Also read the book sacred cow. There are other perspectives on this. I eat 90 percent of my calories from meat and I’m healthy.
Many misconstrue the purpose of this video. I am not coming from a 'vegan' perspective. If you currently have access to 'sustainably raised' grass-fed meat and choose to feed yourself that way, more power to you. Making decisions FOR you is not my call. It's just a matter of acknowledging that providing sustainably produced meat to everyone in the world who wants it simply doesn't pencil out. If you don't CARE what anyone else has or doesn't have, I've got no answer for you. You can still burn lumps of coal in your stove to heat your house. It would just be unsustainable if everyone else did as well. We are in the Victorian England phase of industrial meat production, and the choking on dense smog phase is upon us. We need a better plan going forward, and PF looks like a promising part of the answer.