I'm a blacklist fan but I expected them to lose to onic. BUT WHAT'S SHOCKING IS BLACKLIST REALLY PUT A FIGHT WITH ONIC. Very proud of Yue's performance though 😆
Let dont be toxic and look at it at a neutral POV. Blacklist actually choose to focus ban on Kairi because they think he is the biggest threat. It does not means Blacklist is not acknowledging any other Onic’s members. Grow up man.
I just wanna say that I'm extremely proud of Blacklist for pulling a 2-3 against ONIC. So proud of Renejay, Yue, and Sensui, and how far they've come. So glad they're finally getting the global recognition that they deserve. Yue doesn't even look like he's a rookie with the confidence he shows on stage. Just amazing! This is just the beginning. 💕
😂😂😂don judge anymone just about this. this game was so weird.😂 Yue is really gomd player.but if u always watched their game, black and onic were weird. i'm pretty sure they didn't wanna show their heros. also that was ok evdn they lose since they can just go lower bracket also its easier to win( u don't need to fight with APBREN till championship) losing this game was actually smart. then black chose it. so i really don't know who will win. Bren vs Onic is championship actually.but winner will fight with black. black always go easy way to win.
@@riri2803 also echo didn't even win a single match against onic during MSC🤡 even Yawi is there they still got tilded so yea Echotards everywhere including yourself 🤡
To be fair for Onic, Coach YeB could've given Kairi a much more META-oriented heroes in games 1-4, but proceeded to choose off-meta picks (Martis was a much better option than Lancelot, and Wolf stated that). In game 5, Onic finally chose to pick Meta-heroes, and BLCK didn't stand a chance. IDK if not choosing the Martis or Baxia was a deliberate decision by Coach Yeb, but I wouldn't say Onic's losses were because of banning Kairi's heroes, but rather just choosing heroes that didn't make sense. The macro of games 1-4 and 5 were drastically different. I mean no disrespect to Blacklist, but those 4 games were pretty odd from Onic.
Actually, Kairi can used Nolan or Guinevere or something better than Dyroth and Bendetta. I can not understand the logic behind the picking of Kairi’s jungle hero. Like it was a losing draft to be honest. It’s not even Kairi’s signature hero. You pick a non meta hero if it’s your signature or comfort pick. Don’t know what inside coach Yeb mind actually. I think based on skill of the player Onic and Bren are just equal. The draft will play important role on who will get the win. Now I feel Bren is on the lead in terms of draft. Bren got better draft this M series
I think it is what it is. There's no experiment etc, because losing in upper bracket gives a lot of pressure mentally. I think they know black have counter for that draft and they just wait for perfect to time to pick what you call "meta-hero draft". Picking new "Draft" hero for specific team or player does not mean "EXPERIMENT" no one in the right mind to experiment in international tournament
@@ThinkingBox11 *picks benedetta* "No room for experimentation" SIR, THAT'S NOT EVEN A B-TIER JUNGLE AND THE MARTIS WAS LEFT OPEN. "Blacklist knows how to counter the draft" SIR THEY GAVE THE BLUE SIDE, THEY WERE THE ONE COUNTERING ON THE DRAFTS IN GAMES 3-4 and Tu-DALLOH, MARTIS WAS LEFT OPEN. WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD PICK A Lancelot (who wasn't even building a lot of necessary tank items) on an akai, when there was a soft counter, THE MARTIS, OPEN??! Sir, with not a lot of respect, if you want to give an opinion, try to read the draft, dingus. IDK if you're filipino, indonesian, or whatever species you come from but logic is logic.
@@electrobogalloo7986 why your'e so aggressive? Are you a kid or something? Im just giving opinion. I encounter and play benedetta pick in high rank (150+ stars). Also kairi pick on lancelot is not a bad thing knowing sensui is always on good point in retri battle also kairi is lancelot god. Also martis pick is good pick for an assassin jungle not a tank type. BUT if you think your'e absolutely right, so be it? "IDK if your'e a filipino, indonesian, or whatsoever species you come from but logic is logic" Do you even like your own reply/comment? hahaha
@marktytibayan4880 butts is just consistent he doesn’t fluctuate the way Kiboy does. When Kiboy is online EVERYONE is online. If Buts does good well it gives Onic a split option or he gets to be a little more annoying depend on what he is playing. Just comes with the hero pools they have. The roamers put enemy teams on a silver platter making it easy for the team to do damage the XP laners with hard engage typically get canceled easily or the Cc doesn’t last long and Buts never really was the slayer of the team
Something fishy I look Onic. They always hide something even like MPL season 12 knock-out stage against BTR and Geek-fam They make the score 2-2 when in game 5 the gap was too far even the gold gap reached over 12K. The caster of NA Trex said Onic used meta-hero just in game 5 versus balcklist. Is Onic still hiding its strat?
@@zeinzz1906I felt the same bene and dyrot jungle. Bene went semi not full tank that’s so uncharacteristic. Then in game 5 14k gold lead. Just didn’t understand yesterday
I know Onic actually going all out, but it looks like they hiding their strats or just pure bad pick from onic. I mean explain the pick man. Benedeta jungle? Dyroth jungle? They should go with safer pick at that rate. Fighter jungle or tank jungler looks more safe pick rather than those two pick
@@chegrikcheerianBMarakthis situation happened on mpl id s12 playoff aswell, onic is struggling with geek and btr from game 1-4 untill the match point they are playing flawlessly and on the group stage onic's kinda struggling with matches Idk man its just that either they are underperforming or saving some strategies
@@muhammadgibranfauzan3212 you are saying that they are saving those start but they almost go down to Low Brack, and you make it sound that Black List is that bad, it is their decision in drafting phase, and one of the reason why Black got dominated in Game 5 was the forced pick on floryn, I mean btr and Geek, didn't even go to top 4 in MPLI, just saying man that you are bias in one team, I expected Onic to win against blacklist since 3 of them the backlist team are first to international turna and that gives onic more experience, but those performance of black in their first turna is something else, I am not a fan of black and onic.
@@saysayseysey2730Obviously im not saying blacklist is bad team In fact they are in tier 1 with onic and bren But its just that coincidance that happened in mpl s12 id playoffs and final and its happening once again With benedetta jungler and dyrroth jungler while martis is still open play is just weird for coach yeb to think about it
@@saysayseysey2730Indeed that floryn is a bad pick as onic is playing the pick off and renejay was forced to using floryn to nullify the pickoff that onic do and thing is onic winning the draft by using their comfort pick on game 5 is the onic i witnessed once from the msc and the keyword is "game 5" they are so flawless in game 5 idk man imo im just seeing or on something about the last match point 😂
1. Why kairi didn't picked guin or baxia or martis(in games 1-4) game 1 - they wanted to nullify faramis' ult by having multiple AOE skills. That's why benedetta was paired with lylia. Benedetta also is a good hero against guinevere because the moment guinevere hits the benedetta while she is using her 2nd skill, she will get stunned, and we all know that guinevere is basically useless without her 2nd skill. game 2 - the draft was about burst, so they wanted to maximize their early game by picking dyroth + khaleed combo. We all know that khaleed is an early game monster because of his damage. If you pair him with a dyroth that has an armor reduction ability, and a kaja, there will be no tank jungler that would not be bursted. game 3 & 4 - they chose lancelot to compete against an akai. Lance can out-retri an akai without getting pushed unlike a baxia or martis. Yes, martis has an immunity but his 2nd skill can be baited by poking him. Overall, I think onic practiced a lot of team compositions during their break. That's why we saw a lot of new combinations. Coach yeb adjusted wisely and that's the reason they won game 5. 2. Why floryn? Personally, I did not like the floryn pick but I can see a reason behind it. The team composition of onic was pick-off type, having kaja as a pick. Maybe blck had this idea to nullify the pull from kaja by healing using floryn's ult. Howver, blck failed to calculate the amount of burst damage the onic's composition can give. Blck also failed to calculate the aggressive rotation that onic was doing because floryn is not really a good pick when the team composition of the enemy runs you down. These are only my opinion and observation.
Philippine teams are the only teams that can make the only 1 player ban heroes work because of combined pressure and teamwork in addition of peace of mind
I think AP bren got this in the bag. Onic’s weak link is Buts. Just need to shut him down early and have level gap between exp laners and use killer exp to target sanz and not CW. Let kyletzy handle the mm. Owgen and pheww just need to keep track on Kiboy and Kairi’s movements.
Part of the challenge onic has in those series was because they didn't pick meta heroes. Kinda feel like they just casually create a handicap. Not trying to discredit Blck tho, bcs they perform disgustingly good.
Haha they can't pick META jungling hero since it's target banned by the opposing team. Saying it was a handicap, coz that's the game plan of BLCK, to make Kairi uncomfortable.
I don't actually think it was cos of Kairi's bans. Cos I know he plays othwr heroes outside those bans aa well and he had been banned harder than that and performed better. i just feel like smth is going on with him. Idk what tho.
I don't know why Blacklist choked at Game 2 and 3. Also why Renejay picked Floryn in Game 5. It does not work against the line up of Onic. Martis got snowballed in Game 5.
ang nagdikta ng picking ng game 5 blacklist gusto nila makita anu pa yung ilalabas ni kairi, e ang gago ni mtb saka ni dextar, pick baxia agad, kala nya lancelot ulit si kairi.. anung tingin nya kay coach yeb bata para lancelot ulit hahahahah... pero for sure yung valentina talaga yung tinik sa blacklist, pwedeng kuhanin yung ss ni lylia, or floryn dun palang umay na yung blacklist hindi na mahuli sumasabay pa sa healing bading.. gg talaga yung game 5..
It isnt even auto banning his heroes. Theyre just banning 2 of the most meta busted heroes + fanny, since she is annoying and can snowball your team early.
@@darthsicariustenebris8284fr bro ever since monton buffed tig and gui they became a huge problem without hc or diggie, using purify is just very very wasteful in the current meta with many meta heroes that has slow and immobilize outside of stun and knockups 😅
9:40-9:50 This is the worst shotcall made by Blacklist. Teamfight under the top inhibitor turret. The turret is not yet destroyed during the teamfight. Blacklist got punished by Onic, eliminating the members of Blacklist one by one. Eventually, Onic wins Game 3. Very unfortunate for Blacklist.
I think Sanz is the weakest link here for Onic if his underperforming and shutdown earlier not using he's comfort heroes like burst damage mage? Onic is struggling just like in Game 4 using faramis. I think they should banned Sanz and Kiboy comfort heroes instead of Kairi, Coach Yeb was just the better Drafter here compare to Coach MTB in this game 5 results since MSC he do it again it's not the players fault thats why Blacklist always struggle in the end and lose it just my opinion.
@@turuu85409 and what logic you mean I didn't say Sanz is a weak player here it's the Onics weak point Achilles heel Shutting down Sanz and Kiboy could make the Onic collapse did you watch the game 4 dude? Kairis lance can't do anything either banning fanny was a good choice they did these already since MSC they shut down Sanz and gave them 2 wins and lost because of their poor drafting if your kid and can't understand what I'm saying don't argue with me, lol and If you think Onic can easily defeat APBREN?? Think again.
Everybody say coach yeb hiding strat, but the reason kairi avoid his comfort pick like haya because blacklist playstyle is stalker oriented, they will look every nook and cranny so yeb and adi cook counter measure. Onic read blacklist like a book
Worst draft by blacklist in game 5. 1st picked lylia which yue is not good. Opened Valentina and Last picked floryn with a Valentina already picked. Bonus. Jngle was baxia vs Valen, Terizla, Kaja and Martis. Might as well not contest any lord or turtles. GJ on draft MTB
Bruh, then ban out BLK tanky and support heroes and they will be nothing, the most boring team i have watched for so long, no skills only choose tanky heroes to soak dmg, low hero pool selection
As I saw the game 5 vs Blcklist , I think Blacklist gave the game 5 with the pick of Floryn which is not effective in game 3 where Rafaela is open and effective than Floryn,thats why they will send Onic ID in the upper bracket so that they will face AP Bren and exposed Onic ID game play early before they face AP Bren and I think AP Bren and Blacklist are talking each other for effective strategy vs other teams so that PH vs PH in the finals but anything can happens especially MOONTON loves Onic ID to win M5 game manipulation 😂😂😂😂
As I saw the game 5 vs Blcklist , I think Blacklist gave the game 5 with the pick of Floryn which is not effective in game 3 where Rafaela is open and effective than Floryn,thats why they will send Onic ID in the upper bracket so that they will face AP Bren and exposed Onic ID game play early before they face AP Bren and I think AP Bren and Blacklist are talking each other for effective strategy vs other teams so that PH vs PH in the finals but anything can happens especially MOONTON loves Onic ID to win M5 game manipulation 😂😂😂😂
As I saw the game 5 vs Blcklist , I think Blacklist gave the game 5 with the pick of Floryn which is not effective in game 3 where Rafaela is open and effective than Floryn,thats why they will send Onic ID in the upper bracket so that they will face AP Bren and exposed Onic ID game play early before they face AP Bren and I think AP Bren and Blacklist are talking each other for effective strategy vs other teams so that PH vs PH in the finals but anything can happens especially MOONTON loves Onic ID to win M5 game manipulation 😂😂😂😂
I'm a blacklist fan but I expected them to lose to onic. BUT WHAT'S SHOCKING IS BLACKLIST REALLY PUT A FIGHT WITH ONIC. Very proud of Yue's performance though 😆
Sanz just casually escape death every time near it.
Does Sanz have beef with Renejay? lmao the taunts seems personal
Let dont be toxic and look at it at a neutral POV. Blacklist actually choose to focus ban on Kairi because they think he is the biggest threat. It does not means Blacklist is not acknowledging any other Onic’s members. Grow up man.
It's normal maybe blcklist doesn't want to contest the assasin jungler bcs they want to play healer and jungler tank
they want to play util jgs because of Sensui's limited hero pool I think
Assassin junglers are the weakness of Blacklist I think since they are that team that plays utility supports.
blacklist literally banned the same heroes when facing FF today..they just dont wanna deal with those heroes looool
I hope moonton release more burst and agile assassin heroes in future. The healer meta should be ended.
A dragon without wings doesn't mean he is not a dragon anymore he still can breathe fire .🔥🔥🔥
🤓☝️
makes zero sense
@@lLeonNexl makes sense for us
@@lLeonNexlyou're just not smart enough to understand it
Another dragon can destroy the shit out of it though
I just wanna say that I'm extremely proud of Blacklist for pulling a 2-3 against ONIC. So proud of Renejay, Yue, and Sensui, and how far they've come. So glad they're finally getting the global recognition that they deserve. Yue doesn't even look like he's a rookie with the confidence he shows on stage. Just amazing! This is just the beginning. 💕
He ain't a rookie anymore lmao. Yue's a sophomore at this point.
@@jakeavendano1362 He's still a baby compared to the giants he's up against. 🤷♀️
@@hvusnzl
Definitely not a rookie. He was in MSC.
@@riri2803 I just said compared to the other giants he's up against and their years of experience in the league.
😂😂😂don judge anymone just about this. this game was so weird.😂
Yue is really gomd player.but if u always watched their game,
black and onic were weird.
i'm pretty sure they didn't wanna show their heros.
also that was ok evdn they lose since they can just go lower bracket also its easier to win( u don't need to fight with APBREN till championship)
losing this game was actually smart. then black chose it.
so i really don't know who will win.
Bren vs Onic is championship actually.but winner will fight with black.
black always go easy way to win.
That leads to sanz open heroes..
sanz who?
BL can definitely win against Onic even with Sanz's heroes being open.
Nope. Sanz only good at Valentina. No Valentina No win.
@@Kazunori1104he carry with lylia in game 1? 🤡
@@Kazunori1104Yue too. He's only good at Valentina but still lose 😂
didn't really expect blacklist to win but it was very nice to see that they gave onic a good fight
Pretty even fights
lol that's why they also beat echo twice.
@@ralphgnl3232
Echo was in disarray during the latter part of S12. Blacklist were very lucky. A 100% Echo would have won.
@@riri2803 yes another excuses, beating echo twice is enough evidence to say that black is already surpass them🤡
@@riri2803 also echo didn't even win a single match against onic during MSC🤡 even Yawi is there they still got tilded so yea Echotards everywhere including yourself 🤡
Caster Meat riding kairi's retribution is crazy whole game bro only secure two retris
Agreed, same as filipino overhyped their players like fvck me, it's making my head nuts
Trex is so bias on kairi
To be fair for Onic, Coach YeB could've given Kairi a much more META-oriented heroes in games 1-4, but proceeded to choose off-meta picks (Martis was a much better option than Lancelot, and Wolf stated that). In game 5, Onic finally chose to pick Meta-heroes, and BLCK didn't stand a chance. IDK if not choosing the Martis or Baxia was a deliberate decision by Coach Yeb, but I wouldn't say Onic's losses were because of banning Kairi's heroes, but rather just choosing heroes that didn't make sense. The macro of games 1-4 and 5 were drastically different. I mean no disrespect to Blacklist, but those 4 games were pretty odd from Onic.
Actually, Kairi can used Nolan or Guinevere or something better than Dyroth and Bendetta. I can not understand the logic behind the picking of Kairi’s jungle hero. Like it was a losing draft to be honest. It’s not even Kairi’s signature hero. You pick a non meta hero if it’s your signature or comfort pick. Don’t know what inside coach Yeb mind actually.
I think based on skill of the player Onic and Bren are just equal. The draft will play important role on who will get the win. Now I feel Bren is on the lead in terms of draft. Bren got better draft this M series
I had to agree! I was thinking this but couldn't elaborate like you did! Awesome comment!
I think it is what it is. There's no experiment etc, because losing in upper bracket gives a lot of pressure mentally. I think they know black have counter for that draft and they just wait for perfect to time to pick what you call "meta-hero draft". Picking new "Draft" hero for specific team or player does not mean "EXPERIMENT" no one in the right mind to experiment in international tournament
@@ThinkingBox11
*picks benedetta*
"No room for experimentation"
SIR, THAT'S NOT EVEN A B-TIER JUNGLE AND THE MARTIS WAS LEFT OPEN.
"Blacklist knows how to counter the draft"
SIR THEY GAVE THE BLUE SIDE, THEY WERE THE ONE COUNTERING ON THE DRAFTS IN GAMES 3-4 and Tu-DALLOH, MARTIS WAS LEFT OPEN. WHO IN THE RIGHT MIND WOULD PICK A Lancelot (who wasn't even building a lot of necessary tank items) on an akai, when there was a soft counter, THE MARTIS, OPEN??!
Sir, with not a lot of respect, if you want to give an opinion, try to read the draft, dingus. IDK if you're filipino, indonesian, or whatever species you come from but logic is logic.
@@electrobogalloo7986 why your'e so aggressive? Are you a kid or something? Im just giving opinion. I encounter and play benedetta pick in high rank (150+ stars). Also kairi pick on lancelot is not a bad thing knowing sensui is always on good point in retri battle also kairi is lancelot god. Also martis pick is good pick for an assassin jungle not a tank type. BUT if you think your'e absolutely right, so be it? "IDK if your'e a filipino, indonesian, or whatsoever species you come from but logic is logic" Do you even like your own reply/comment? hahaha
Edward is gonna have scoliosis by the end of M5. So many sick engages not followed up on.
Dami nga nya ding sablay halos even lang, di sya yung nagbubuhat. si Yue
@@gmyt8534consistent talaga ni Yue.
Everyone talking about our Sanz and Kairi. Onic is most dangerous when Kiboy is at his best
@marktytibayan4880 butts is just consistent he doesn’t fluctuate the way Kiboy does. When Kiboy is online EVERYONE is online. If Buts does good well it gives Onic a split option or he gets to be a little more annoying depend on what he is playing. Just comes with the hero pools they have. The roamers put enemy teams on a silver platter making it easy for the team to do damage the XP laners with hard engage typically get canceled easily or the Cc doesn’t last long and Buts never really was the slayer of the team
That last Lancelot escape was phenomenal. Also i think Sanz, Yue and Kiboy is the MvP in this match i love their timing
Something fishy I look Onic. They always hide something even like MPL season 12 knock-out stage against BTR and Geek-fam They make the score 2-2 when in game 5 the gap was too far even the gold gap reached over 12K. The caster of NA Trex said Onic used meta-hero just in game 5 versus balcklist. Is Onic still hiding its strat?
I don't think they do, but if that was the case then Onic is a bunch of mad lad. Imagine hiding your strat against Blacklist.
Coach yeb is cooking
@@zeinzz1906I felt the same bene and dyrot jungle. Bene went semi not full tank that’s so uncharacteristic. Then in game 5 14k gold lead. Just didn’t understand yesterday
ONIC testing the waters with their pick vs Blacklist reminds me a lot of Acil doing the same shit in RRQ vs Blacklist as well a year ago
@@NineLives99999except ONIC players are actually God tier strong with perfect synergy to each other.
I think onic is hiding a kairi secret weapon for final. Angela jungle
lemme remind you out of all people in Onic only kairi havent got any MVP in M5, i don't know whats wrong with him lately, especially for early turtle
Cant let Indo team win in PH bruh. Nationalitys more important
Kairi aint that good against PH teams. Y'all are overrating him so much. He's just a normal top jungler in MPL PH.
@@riri2803fact I think demonkite still better than kairi
Can't do anything if all your comfort heroes are the target of your opponent.
@@gensukegaming3992
KarlTzy
Wise
Kairi/Demonkite
That's the ranking of the top 4 junglers in the world.
Sensui retri timing is disgusting, so good
It's a mistake to not ban Kiboy and Sanz hero power like Kaja and Kadita
It's also a big mistake if they don't ban Kairi's hero powers
but that will open kairi's heroes but blacklist could've have picked a better hero in the draft in game 2-5
That s why kairi is the best in onic they ban all of his heroes so his teammates heroes are all open
@@ignasheenetnabel3099 Their ban today against fireflux is the same against onic,does that mean tienzy is fireflux best player?🥴😂
I know Onic actually going all out, but it looks like they hiding their strats or just pure bad pick from onic. I mean explain the pick man. Benedeta jungle? Dyroth jungle? They should go with safer pick at that rate. Fighter jungle or tank jungler looks more safe pick rather than those two pick
Felt like they just experimented the first 2 matches and 5th game i felt they really went serious,I mean 14k hold lead on BLCK that’s crazy
@@chegrikcheerianBMarakthis situation happened on mpl id s12 playoff aswell, onic is struggling with geek and btr from game 1-4 untill the match point they are playing flawlessly and on the group stage onic's kinda struggling with matches
Idk man its just that either they are underperforming or saving some strategies
@@muhammadgibranfauzan3212 you are saying that they are saving those start but they almost go down to Low Brack, and you make it sound that Black List is that bad, it is their decision in drafting phase, and one of the reason why Black got dominated in Game 5 was the forced pick on floryn, I mean btr and Geek, didn't even go to top 4 in MPLI, just saying man that you are bias in one team, I expected Onic to win against blacklist since 3 of them the backlist team are first to international turna and that gives onic more experience, but those performance of black in their first turna is something else, I am not a fan of black and onic.
@@saysayseysey2730Obviously im not saying blacklist is bad team
In fact they are in tier 1 with onic and bren
But its just that coincidance that happened in mpl s12 id playoffs and final and its happening once again
With benedetta jungler and dyrroth jungler while martis is still open play is just weird for coach yeb to think about it
@@saysayseysey2730Indeed that floryn is a bad pick as onic is playing the pick off and renejay was forced to using floryn to nullify the pickoff that onic do and thing is onic winning the draft by using their comfort pick on game 5 is the onic i witnessed once from the msc and the keyword is "game 5" they are so flawless in game 5 idk man imo im just seeing or on something about the last match point 😂
I thought the only fanatic fans only rrq,But after seeing this, I think blacklist too 🤣
The things i dont understand in that series are:
1. Why kairi didn't picked guin or baxia or martis(in games 1-4)
2. Why floryn?
1. Why kairi didn't picked guin or baxia or martis(in games 1-4)
game 1 - they wanted to nullify faramis' ult by having multiple AOE skills. That's why benedetta was paired with lylia. Benedetta also is a good hero against guinevere because the moment guinevere hits the benedetta while she is using her 2nd skill, she will get stunned, and we all know that guinevere is basically useless without her 2nd skill.
game 2 - the draft was about burst, so they wanted to maximize their early game by picking dyroth + khaleed combo. We all know that khaleed is an early game monster because of his damage. If you pair him with a dyroth that has an armor reduction ability, and a kaja, there will be no tank jungler that would not be bursted.
game 3 & 4 - they chose lancelot to compete against an akai. Lance can out-retri an akai without getting pushed unlike a baxia or martis. Yes, martis has an immunity but his 2nd skill can be baited by poking him.
Overall, I think onic practiced a lot of team compositions during their break. That's why we saw a lot of new combinations. Coach yeb adjusted wisely and that's the reason they won game 5.
2. Why floryn?
Personally, I did not like the floryn pick but I can see a reason behind it. The team composition of onic was pick-off type, having kaja as a pick. Maybe blck had this idea to nullify the pull from kaja by healing using floryn's ult. Howver, blck failed to calculate the amount of burst damage the onic's composition can give. Blck also failed to calculate the aggressive rotation that onic was doing because floryn is not really a good pick when the team composition of the enemy runs you down.
These are only my opinion and observation.
2. I honestly don't know why. They should've picked like a Diggie or something. Renejay needs more practice with Floryn, but still, props to him.
I think they r leaving guin open so in finals or later if some team picks Guinevere and hard counter that with helcurt
@@hvusnzlpretty sure diggie was banned for the whole session. He's just that cancerous.
@@speedweed2236 Diggie wasn't banned in Game 5.
They were testing new strats and hereos. Kairi is really underperforming even with Lance, He wasn't doing anything.
Philippine teams are the only teams that can make the only 1 player ban heroes work because of combined pressure and teamwork in addition of peace of mind
I think AP bren got this in the bag. Onic’s weak link is Buts. Just need to shut him down early and have level gap between exp laners and use killer exp to target sanz and not CW. Let kyletzy handle the mm. Owgen and pheww just need to keep track on Kiboy and Kairi’s movements.
Part of the challenge onic has in those series was because they didn't pick meta heroes. Kinda feel like they just casually create a handicap. Not trying to discredit Blck tho, bcs they perform disgustingly good.
Nope they just countering drafts
Haha they can't pick META jungling hero since it's target banned by the opposing team. Saying it was a handicap, coz that's the game plan of BLCK, to make Kairi uncomfortable.
I don't actually think it was cos of Kairi's bans. Cos I know he plays othwr heroes outside those bans aa well and he had been banned harder than that and performed better. i just feel like smth is going on with him. Idk what tho.
auto ban kairi heroes is good strat.
problem is how to keep pressuring kairi without sacrificing your rotation too much.
I don't know why Blacklist choked at Game 2 and 3. Also why Renejay picked Floryn in Game 5. It does not work against the line up of Onic. Martis got snowballed in Game 5.
1 ph + 4 indo is better than 5 ph😅
but the trash talker always says kairi esport
Playing against Kairi is like 2 players. Not even Indo Jungler can pair against him. It takes so much resources to kill him.
@@antoncastro8368 what about kiboy? so much space for the team because his greatplay
then play all indo
@@katsuragireiji1525team up again kiboy sanz and albert lets see the result.
Well played and congrats to Onic!
Blacklist always getting outdrafted 😢
December 10, 2023
ang nagdikta ng picking ng game 5 blacklist gusto nila makita anu pa yung ilalabas ni kairi, e ang gago ni mtb saka ni dextar, pick baxia agad, kala nya lancelot ulit si kairi.. anung tingin nya kay coach yeb bata para lancelot ulit hahahahah... pero for sure yung valentina talaga yung tinik sa blacklist, pwedeng kuhanin yung ss ni lylia, or floryn dun palang umay na yung blacklist hindi na mahuli sumasabay pa sa healing bading.. gg talaga yung game 5..
No one can use Mathilda like ohmyvenuss
It isnt even auto banning his heroes. Theyre just banning 2 of the most meta busted heroes + fanny, since she is annoying and can snowball your team early.
Bestplayer needs some advice from Kairi for Retri tips😂.. They wouldnt fall that bad if they secure lord more..
ganda ng laban
Can feel that M5 belongs to blacklist, maybe..
omg sanzzzzzz🔥
They did great banning but choke the picks in game 5
The thing wich is more funny is the fact they they almost lost to a bene jungle. I mean.. it's embarassing just to think about it 😂😂😂
That bene lord steal 1 vs 4 was so epic that if only kiboy and butss didnt die early that match could extend and onic might won that match
Kairi did spam bene a lot during practice before m5
Almost?
Ban Kaja talaga. May divine judgment, hihilain niya yung jungler or mm na may follow up sa mga kakampi niya.
Take Valentina away from Yue and becomes a minion.
Onic gave 100% and BLCK Floryn blunder equals auto win for Onic
The reason BLCK is so aggressive in the lord dance is because they know Sensui have the best retri in M5
Its all about composure, when onic was steamrolling them in game 5 and he felt the pressure bro used retri on the smaller one not the blue.
@@freyawargoddesss6287 its a mistake he clicked the retri but the blue buff got baited so instead it hit the small one
how about game 5?
@@jejesrighthand4345I rechecked the blue was still in retri range sensui messed up there that was no regular mistake bro.
Onic didnt even care about retri, . They win msc 2023 not because Kairi good on retri. They bit echo 3-0, BL 4-2.
M5 Meta is now Midlaner centric. Every team will now just target ban the midlaner
Roam too, Minotaur and Tigreal is a huge problem now
@@darthsicariustenebris8284fr bro ever since monton buffed tig and gui they became a huge problem without hc or diggie, using purify is just very very wasteful in the current meta with many meta heroes that has slow and immobilize outside of stun and knockups 😅
Tbh onic is my prediction to win, blck is def much worse then bren, but they pulled a 3-2 so its kinda looking shaky.
Men onic were pushed to the limits bro
They aint as strong against PH teams.
@@riri2803yeah like how strong onic with that huge gold lead
@@FreaknFrets
They won 3-2. BL just ch0ked in some games or Onic would have been in the lower bracket.
@@riri2803 then, onic is just experimenting or else blck would get the same result like devu
@@FreaknFrets
Blacklist also experimented in Game 5. Stop being hypocritical. Onic won but they sweat in that series.
9:40-9:50 This is the worst shotcall made by Blacklist. Teamfight under the top inhibitor turret. The turret is not yet destroyed during the teamfight. Blacklist got punished by Onic, eliminating the members of Blacklist one by one. Eventually, Onic wins Game 3. Very unfortunate for Blacklist.
Meanwhile Lancelot.....
they did't ban kairi's lancelot
Blck just underestimated 4monkey
Trash never know how to beat monkey
Both indo and Filipinos are South East Asians lol. Are you calling yourself a monkey as well?
Whatever happened to Ling? Is he not good anymore or what
In this meta, I think Ling is not a tournament hero, more like ranked hero.
He takes so much resources to scale I don't think he's worth it.
BRO SENSUI RETI IS GODLY
I feel like edward has been underperforming lately or is it just me
Blacklist International definitely beat onic but they lose because of the drafting and their self.
Bru i lost my bet 150 guess coin 😂
Game 5 Onic massacred BL 😂
even they do that, loser are a loser :D
I think Sanz is the weakest link here for Onic if his underperforming and shutdown earlier not using he's comfort heroes like burst damage mage? Onic is struggling just like in Game 4 using faramis. I think they should banned Sanz and Kiboy comfort heroes instead of Kairi, Coach Yeb was just the better Drafter here compare to Coach MTB in this game 5 results since MSC he do it again it's not the players fault thats why Blacklist always struggle in the end and lose it just my opinion.
Sanz the weakest link? just cause of 1 game? then what about kairi? Get ur logic right before you start yapping LOL.
@@turuu85409 and what logic you mean I didn't say Sanz is a weak player here it's the Onics weak point Achilles heel Shutting down Sanz and Kiboy could make the Onic collapse did you watch the game 4 dude? Kairis lance can't do anything either banning fanny was a good choice they did these already since MSC they shut down Sanz and gave them 2 wins and lost because of their poor drafting if your kid and can't understand what I'm saying don't argue with me, lol and If you think Onic can easily defeat APBREN?? Think again.
@@ninocoching8943 lol sanz weakest link? use better word kid🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@turuu85409 don't talk to me If you can explain kid. Lol 😂😂😂
@@ninocoching8943 you are the one here explaining... why should i explain? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kairi still has his Haya, right?
Everybody say coach yeb hiding strat, but the reason kairi avoid his comfort pick like haya because blacklist playstyle is stalker oriented, they will look every nook and cranny so yeb and adi cook counter measure. Onic read blacklist like a book
Worst draft by blacklist in game 5. 1st picked lylia which yue is not good. Opened Valentina and Last picked floryn with a Valentina already picked.
Bonus. Jngle was baxia vs Valen, Terizla, Kaja and Martis. Might as well not contest any lord or turtles. GJ on draft MTB
Bias, this stm only show kairi when he play good,
onic got lucky in game 5 HAHAHAHAHAHA kinabahan onic indog e
least toxic philipino:
Like blacklist in game 4 wkwkkwkwk lol PIG
Pick more floryn renejay
No no no pls nooo
CW the mvp carry Kairi 😂
M3 >>>>> M5
blacklist go home. too ez for onic
Bruh, then ban out BLK tanky and support heroes and they will be nothing, the most boring team i have watched for so long, no skills only choose tanky heroes to soak dmg, low hero pool selection
As I saw the game 5 vs Blcklist , I think Blacklist gave the game 5 with the pick of Floryn which is not effective in game 3 where Rafaela is open and effective than Floryn,thats why they will send Onic ID in the upper bracket so that they will face AP Bren and exposed Onic ID game play early before they face AP Bren and I think AP Bren and Blacklist are talking each other for effective strategy vs other teams so that PH vs PH in the finals but anything can happens especially MOONTON loves Onic ID to win M5 game manipulation 😂😂😂😂
The mistake is the coach of blacklist insist the 0% winrate floryn wtf with in his mind???
Ego. It's like "We are the only team who can pull it off flawlessly." Despite of shitty numbers off the chart for Floryn.
As I saw the game 5 vs Blcklist , I think Blacklist gave the game 5 with the pick of Floryn which is not effective in game 3 where Rafaela is open and effective than Floryn,thats why they will send Onic ID in the upper bracket so that they will face AP Bren and exposed Onic ID game play early before they face AP Bren and I think AP Bren and Blacklist are talking each other for effective strategy vs other teams so that PH vs PH in the finals but anything can happens especially MOONTON loves Onic ID to win M5 game manipulation 😂😂😂😂
Thats why weed is dangerous
@@audizul yeah I know you take meth stop doing that bruh haha
As I saw the game 5 vs Blcklist , I think Blacklist gave the game 5 with the pick of Floryn which is not effective in game 3 where Rafaela is open and effective than Floryn,thats why they will send Onic ID in the upper bracket so that they will face AP Bren and exposed Onic ID game play early before they face AP Bren and I think AP Bren and Blacklist are talking each other for effective strategy vs other teams so that PH vs PH in the finals but anything can happens especially MOONTON loves Onic ID to win M5 game manipulation 😂😂😂😂