Without a doubt... the best entry of ALL They all hit the first note together and with the exact same volume... PERFECTION. Their phrasing and continuity of sound are SPOT-ON !!
It’s the entry that sets apart concertgebouw. The tone quality, balance and rhythm - the basics - set them apart. They relax, they are so efficient. They get the story. Kudos to Staatskapelle too. But a distant second.
Nice to see the four low brass parts neat and clean in the provided score - thank you! - but arguably worthwhile to include the Contrabassoon part as well as it is part of the chorale and adds so much to the whole as one can hear.
The contrabassoon part is just the tuba part down an octave or in the same octave at times. If I had remade this video today, I would have done things differently.
The first two understood Mahler’s use of the brass choir. Bernstein subdued things in his life, including his interpretation of this chorale. The Deutscher (curly silver hair, can’t remember his name, apologies)knew his score. Older Deutscher is a MASTER!
ua-cam.com/video/hTguHGZG28I/v-deo.htmlsi=wuplKsKjqNaIxMIz I think this recording by Bernstein is the best one, and he conducts very differently from the London one
My vote goes to NYPhil, I think their version is the most solistic, and has the best dynamic and overall balancing. Royal Concertgebouw is my close second for sound quality and perfection
Ugh. I wish the clips would at least go all the way to the resolution. Favorite version is a recording of the Philharmonia under Bernard Haitink. Such perfect tempos. Not rushed.
The recording-qualities are quite different and the rooms too. This fact heavily influences our hearing (psycologically - really!). Concerning that - i prefer the most dynamic Version, that's the NY Phil. one. The pianissimo is that extreme @ the Beginning, leading to the best brass crescendo i have ever seen/heard on YT. That is an older recording - newer ones use Compressors / Multiband Compressors, have that in mind! To reduce dynamics in classical music is a real no-go for my ears. You can detect MB-Compressors by hearing very focused on the Big Bass Drum. Normally, that one shakes your A**. But it also kills even great digital dynamic capabilities (because it's not wanted).
I'm listening in November, 2023. Valery Gergiev's rendition is at the very end. There is no sound and no credit. Could this be a reaction to his politics?
Here is my answer…these are ALL professional level recordings in their own regard. One is not superior in any way other than individual taste. Music at *this* level is not about vast superiority, but subtle distinctions to bring out our humanity in this fact: we are humans, not robots, thus every experience in life is unique to that moment and cannot possibly be recreated. Every performance is laudable and praiseworthy in their own regards. For those who do not understand musical notation, the harsh accents are correct per Mahler’s notation. This is not to be a smooth chorale throughout.
I like how delicate new York philarmonic is, like how stable concertgebouw is, like the tuning of Venezuelan brass, I don't like this particular Bernstein, sir Simon rattle has a better spectrum of volume...
It's such a pity, but I have to agree - I still think he has the best ideas & thoughts, as can be observed in the Norton lectures - but I just cannot feel his conducting the same way he propably did...
Checkout his Copland 3 with the New York Philharmonic. Might change your mind. Not even the old Shostakovich 5 with the white tuxedos? You must be hard to please!
@@matthewzionn his copland 3 is great. his shosty 5 is okay at best. he took the 4th movement too fast. it felt rushed and unmusical when I listened to it
I think, from this recording, he hated either Mahler’s 2nd or the brass chorale. He was quite off. I like my Mahler brass in full control, when not interfering with the ensemble.
Check out the finale to Shosty 7 with the CSO. I have yet to find an interpretation which I enjoy listening to more: ua-cam.com/video/drhq4frGo60/v-deo.html
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I always return to the Royal Concertgebouw...I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings
Without a doubt... the best entry of ALL They all hit the first note together and with the exact same volume... PERFECTION. Their phrasing and continuity of sound are SPOT-ON !!
No feelings hurt. They’re one of the world’s truly best orchestras.
It’s the entry that sets apart concertgebouw. The tone quality, balance and rhythm - the basics - set them apart. They relax, they are so efficient. They get the story. Kudos to Staatskapelle too. But a distant second.
it's also the hall they are playing in. world's best acoustic in my opinion.
I love sound but I hate Gatti's tempo
Nice to see the four low brass parts neat and clean in the provided score - thank you! - but arguably worthwhile to include the Contrabassoon part as well as it is part of the chorale and adds so much to the whole as one can hear.
The contrabassoon part is just the tuba part down an octave or in the same octave at times. If I had remade this video today, I would have done things differently.
The first two understood Mahler’s use of the brass choir. Bernstein subdued things in his life, including his interpretation of this chorale. The Deutscher (curly silver hair, can’t remember his name, apologies)knew his score. Older Deutscher is a MASTER!
Simon Rattle
ua-cam.com/video/hTguHGZG28I/v-deo.htmlsi=wuplKsKjqNaIxMIz
I think this recording by Bernstein is the best one, and he conducts very differently from the London one
My vote goes to NYPhil, I think their version is the most solistic, and has the best dynamic and overall balancing.
Royal Concertgebouw is my close second for sound quality and perfection
Wow! Honestly, no matter who plays it, it is a masterpiece...
Thank you!
2 remarks: 1) Bernstein is conducting the London Symphony Orchestra, 2) I think Boulez is conducting the Staatskapelle Berlin
Concertgebouw definitely!!!!!!!!!
Ugh. I wish the clips would at least go all the way to the resolution. Favorite version is a recording of the Philharmonia under Bernard Haitink. Such perfect tempos. Not rushed.
I thought about it, but it would just make the video too long.
You forgot the best recording ever! It is the Lucern Festival Mahler 2 with Claudio Abbado. It is even better than the Cencertgebouw!
Is there a video of it on UA-cam? I never saw it.
@@Maddenhawk Yes there is
Royal Concertgebouw and Birmingam for ever!!💎
Royal Concertgebouw version is the best!
Mahler 2 on a small Eb Flat Tuba.... Never get this idea... We need C or Bflat tuba
NEED LOTs of sound and DEPTH of sound to project the POWER that Mahler intended. Anything short of that majesty is an abomination.
English tradition to use Eb tubas and Bb trumpets
@@SuperJox mahler on Bb trumpets fine. Eb tuba is just too small. German style Bb tuba 6/4 much better!
The recording-qualities are quite different and the rooms too. This fact heavily influences our hearing (psycologically - really!). Concerning that - i prefer the most dynamic Version, that's the NY Phil. one. The pianissimo is that extreme @ the Beginning, leading to the best brass crescendo i have ever seen/heard on YT. That is an older recording - newer ones use Compressors / Multiband Compressors, have that in mind! To reduce dynamics in classical music is a real no-go for my ears. You can detect MB-Compressors by hearing very focused on the Big Bass Drum. Normally, that one shakes your A**. But it also kills even great digital dynamic capabilities (because it's not wanted).
well, the RCO is quite unbeatable in this one!
I'm listening in November, 2023. Valery Gergiev's rendition is at the very end. There is no sound and no credit. Could this be a reaction to his politics?
Is the organ already playing with them from the start?
no.
Just low brass and contrabassoon
Here is my answer…these are ALL professional level recordings in their own regard. One is not superior in any way other than individual taste. Music at *this* level is not about vast superiority, but subtle distinctions to bring out our humanity in this fact: we are humans, not robots, thus every experience in life is unique to that moment and cannot possibly be recreated.
Every performance is laudable and praiseworthy in their own regards. For those who do not understand musical notation, the harsh accents are correct per Mahler’s notation. This is not to be a smooth chorale throughout.
very nicely said
I like how delicate new York philarmonic is, like how stable concertgebouw is, like the tuning of Venezuelan brass, I don't like this particular Bernstein, sir Simon rattle has a better spectrum of volume...
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We’re on the same wavelength at the same time
Bernstein seems to be a bad mono recording, so it ist difficult to evaluate his interpretation. Soundwise RCO is the best.
Bernstein
While not the best overall performance, for me nobody conducts this better than Bernstein did
I don't think I've ever heard a single Bernstein recording I liked. He's a brilliant composer, but I never love his enterpretation.
It's such a pity, but I have to agree - I still think he has the best ideas & thoughts, as can be observed in the Norton lectures - but I just cannot feel his conducting the same way he propably did...
Checkout his Copland 3 with the New York Philharmonic. Might change your mind. Not even the old Shostakovich 5 with the white tuxedos? You must be hard to please!
@@matthewzionn his copland 3 is great. his shosty 5 is okay at best. he took the 4th movement too fast. it felt rushed and unmusical when I listened to it
I think, from this recording, he hated either Mahler’s 2nd or the brass chorale. He was quite off. I like my Mahler brass in full control, when not interfering with the ensemble.
Check out the finale to Shosty 7 with the CSO. I have yet to find an interpretation which I enjoy listening to more: ua-cam.com/video/drhq4frGo60/v-deo.html
Bernstein is the best.