That 'little guy' must be big enough to help his Dad in the workshop by now surely ? 🙂 Thanks for all the great content that you put out, well appreciated and very helpful 😎👍
Thank you for this course. I'm not a mechanic (I'm DIYer) but this helped me solved the issue my mechanic was not able to solve keeping my car in his shop for 8 days. 2008 Subaru Impreza 2.5i MT 5Dr here. Had my gas tank fixed at a radiator shop (a nipple from tank rusted out and broke off. Tank leaked gas through that broken nipple). They dropped the tank and rewelded a new nipple. But upon reinstalling everything, a "Check engine" (P0447 Vent circuit open) popped and they could not fill up the gas tank (the fuel gun would click off repeatedly). In the end, they ended up drilling an internal rubber hose inside the tank (hose that goes from the in-tank fuel vent valve to the tank nipple for the evap hose E (that Evap hose E is then connected to 2 other hoses by a T-fitting. One hose goes to the canister drain valve and the other hose goes to the pressure control solenoid valve). They though drilling that hose would bypass a potentially faulty fuel tank vent valve (they said they thought it was stuck closed, causing inability to fill up gas). But the mechanics could not solve the check engine P0447. So I took my car home, unplugged the canister drain valve and found out that when they replugged the electrical wire connector to the drain valve, they bent the two electrical tabs pins so the circuit to the canister drain valve was opened (not energized). I straightened the metal tabs, replugged the drain valve correctly, and started the car. Now the check engine and P0447 code are resolved ! So I wonder if an off-circuit drain valve could cause inability to fill up the gas tank (full pump gun would click off all the time) ??? I know it's supposed to be normally opened but I still wonder about this. The other thing I wonder is, since they drilled the in-tank hose going from the fuel tank vent valve to the nipple of the external evap hose E (evap hose E leads to canister drain valve and to pressure control solenoid valve via T-fitting) in an effort to make it so that they could be able to refill the tank (bypassing the fuel tank vent valve thinking it was probably stuck closed explaining the fuel gun would clicking), could liquid gasoline actually escape the tank by the drilled hose and get inside the evap hose E and damage my canister drain valve or damage my pressure control solenoid valve ??? I'm no mechanics, but I thought about this for days, reading my service manual and trying to understand evap systems. In summary, if the badly reconnected canister drain valve was responsible for inability to fill up the gas tank, then my mechanics drilled the in-tank hose for no real good reason. I'm just concerned that drilling that hose (to bypass the fuel tank vent valve) could lead to gas flooding of the canister drain valve and/or pressure control solenoid valve. Are these valves resistant to gasoline fluid or are they only capable to handle gas vapors but not liquid gasoline ?? In the end, I don't want further problem down the road and than in-tank hose that was drilled (inserting the drill bit though the nipple) is not replaceble (impossible to access as it is very deep inside the fuel tank). They only mentioned to me that they drilled it after the fact, so that kinda sucks. But if you tell me it's not likely going to be an issue in the future, I'm going to have to replace the fuel tank completely with a brand new one (not repairable). PICTURES HERE TO HELP OTHERS: www.toronto-subaru-club.com/forums/showthread.php/211637-Deciphiring-the-2008-2014-EVAP-system-hoses-and-where-they-connect?p=1704954#post1704954
I enjoyed your enthusiasm with teaching what you know and may you be blessed for this gift that you give to us. Thank you for your dedication to the art of FiXing what doesn't work and why. Don't worry about the length of the video.
Thank You Mike for all your work in educating us. You must feel very proud when another great diagnostician as Eric O recommends watching your videos. Keep up the super great work!
Hey Enrique, thanks for watching! It is a good feeling for sure. The automotive community sure is a great one! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
It can't be emphasized enough the importance of understanding how a system or component works to accurately diagnose any issue. Before doing any test research how the components and system work. The days of guessing and replacing parts is a primitive strategy that costs time and money. Understanding then test. Don't guess. Outstanding video!
Wow. I don't know Wells, and didn't even know I needed a dive into the EVAP system, but I clicked and then subbed 20 mins in based on this incredible work. Though Mike isn't totally comfortable in front of a camera n this video, my college and high school auto tech instructors should be made to watch this video as a demo on how to friggin teach concepts and model them so they can be like Mike. Glad I clicked.
love the video, actually helped me get the right diagnosis for my car, purge valve for my 2010 mercury mariner was stuck open! thank you! just future reference, the video was so quiet i had to have my volume all the way up and those ads killed my ears 😂 but thank you!! love this channel
Interesting training you provide. I have already seen the issue with 3 different vehicles that I am troubleshooting and have fixed 2 of them since watching this video. Again awesome presentation and thanks so much for these. I now have more knowledge to be dangerous :) !
Muchas Gracias por la explicacion Mike! Now I know the function of each Vent and Purge Solenoid, I was wondering how the ECU works with Ground and sequences, thanks full for showing all your equipment, Thank you to all the WELLS team, regards.
Very helpful video. Note that in the 2nd wiring diagram, the A feed isn't from the PCM relay output but rather is always hot and also supplies the PCM relay coil, so that appears correct. The first wiring diagram was wrong (showed A as the PCM relay output), at least for that specific car.
Hi Mike saw Eric O said to check you out for more Evap understanding, I have 04 Chrysler Pacifica my code that comes up is P0440. Not to much info on that code, but I believe I have a better understanding now. to test it out. It's the only code that comes up, so I'll be testing out what you have said on this video. And finish the playlist about Evap' so I can have the 04 stop with that code, thank you and the shop giving you the time and support to help us future Tech out and DYI guys. Thank you and the shop you are at. I have Subscribed to good knowledge.
I have to say I enjoy watching your videos. I found you to be informative and. professional . Your lessons are fantastic as well entertaining...I learn a lot by watching them . I thank you for sharing and taking the time to make them..
Thanks for the video. I have a 2007 Sub with only 74 miles. Check engine light turned on with OBD code P0446 (Evaporative Emission System Vent Control Circuit 1/1. I've replaced the gas cap, vapor vent canister valve, vapor jumper wire and the Emissions Vapor Canister Purge Valve Solenoid EVAP Vent ( I don't think it's necessary but I did it anyway). Cleared it and the check engine light is gone but after driving 93 miles, the I/M is still not ready with a combo drive of city and fwy. Drove it for another mile and after 6 cycles, when I ran the OBD at 94 miles to see if it's I/M ready, unfortunately I see the same "pending" P0446 code despite driving it up to 110 miles hoping it will clear on it's own. So I decided to erase the pending code/OBD and did the same thing again. Drove it up to 92 miles without check engine, still not I/M ready and at 94 miles later it's still not ready and the "pending" p0446 code is back. Replaced the vapor vent canister valve, vapor jumper wire again just in case I have a bad part, but unfortunately pending P0446 code is back. I'm hesitating on replacing the vapor canister/charcoal cause I don't have issue filling up gas and no gas odor around the area too. Could it be the another bad vent valve? fuel tank pressure solenoid? I hope not... cause I know this is pretty common on the 2006 but not on the 2007. Cleared it for the 3rd and 4th time, gas level is between 3/4 or 1/2 and the pending code is on after 10 miles but still not I/M ready. Should I just keep going and repeat the drive cycle until it clears or do I need to change the ftp and the VC charcoal too? I'd really appreciate yours suggestion.
5:00 Oh go hug a tree, I'm kidding. Great explanation and great set-up model. I'm all about fixing instead of throwing away, trying to keep this giant rock with puddles clean
I thought you might enjoy this true story. I had my little guy in my lap, 5-year-old I think, he is 44 now, so here is what I remember. We were in my 1964 Rivera with a 464 Buick big block. We were at a stoplight and the only other car in sight was a police officer, of course. My son, wanting to help drive pushes the shiny button closest to his foot. It was the Cruze control activating button, I know this sounds goofy but that year, and I am sure this was changed, but when you push that Cruze button the car accelerates to the dialed in speed, even when your is at a slow crawl like I was, as I was going from a dead stop to maybe 5 mph that is when my kid kicked in some new driving tips for me. The Cruze control was set at 80 mph, and by god that's how fast the car wanted to go. Of course, I hit the brake after doing a great burnout in the intersection with the cop behind me all the way to where I stopped, knowing the cop had a few questions for me. I told him what happened and his voice of wisdom was, Son next time read your owners manual, as he handed me a ticket for the burnout, that 465 or 464 can leave a lot of rubber on the road. PS MY FIVE YEAR OLD HAD A BLAST, CAN WE DO IT AGAIN?
Hey BillDude1313, that's crazy!!! I bet that car could leave some stripes on the road. Should have told the cop it's a community service, you're re-sealing the road :) Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
CONGRADULATIONS MIKE ! ! ! ! FUTURE TECH BEHIND THE WHEEL ! ! ! I missed the class this morning, will watch it now. Watched last month's training today also. Learned about the VE (Load) and Grams Per Second "formulas." Thank you for that.
Thanks MIKE!!!! Man, after being a tech for almost 10 years, I honestly lose sleep over the thought of him having to wrench for a living. Nothing wrong with it at all, but I how hard and frustrating of a job it is. I am hoping he does something with cars, but on a different level. Maybe like an engineer in a performance division, like SVT or Hennessey or something along those lines. But, like people have already told me, it's all his choice. Who knows, maybe he'll be a career politician, or an astronaut haha! Thanks, as always, for watching Mike! You have a great weekend!!! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Mike!!! At approximately 1:15 of the video, you could've changed the list to see other pids. Maybe you've learned this since filming. But just in case. And thanks for the shirt that you sent me a few months back.
Hey Tgodm1, i'm thinking your time stamp is off. Not sure what point of the video you are pointing to. Glad you like the shirt! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Hey Shaun, thanks for watching! Glad you liked it. Please be sure to check out our others and let me know what you think! Also, I am always available to answer questions/comments. Don't hesitate to reach out! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Great video Mike, I am dealing with a po457 and po455. it's on a 2001 Ford Focus. This video helped a lot. Lucky for me the customer and I have the same car just different year's. Thanks Mike
thank you for taking the time to make all these informative videos. i'm glad i found your channel. i wish more viewers show some support by liking your videos. i didn't know what the heck an EVAP system was before this video. i got the basics of it after watching your case study. one thing i do not understand is how the EVAP system would deal with high pressures while the car is off. you mentioned EVAP systems are not sealed perfectly, but would the natural leak be enough to prevent possible errors from the build up of vapours by a car stored with a full tank of fuel over winter, for example? am i under estimating the resilience of the EVAP system components to pressure build up?
Hey Coldpillow, thanks for watching! Make sure to subscribe and click the little "bell" icon so you get notifications when we put a new class out. In a standard Purge/Seal system, it will always be vented to fresh air to prevent pressure/vacuum buildup. This is vented through the canister assembly and out the normally open vent. Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Evap works at atmospheric .. tests itself by holding a bit of vacuum (when the CVS is on/closed..purge valve running). Smoke uses pressure. Sometimes it will hold pressure, but under vacuum, something is leaking, not allowing the system to hold vacuum. All assuming the canister is not clogged.
Hey David, I agree and vice versa, sometimes it will hold vacuum but not pressure. I found that out on the LDP systems that use pressure for testing. Thanks for reaching out and supporting the channel! ~Ryan Wilsing
Wow great way to explain the system. Even i understand it now. I don't have a scanner that can comand the vent valve shut. From what im hearing you can apply you can jump the vent valve through the cars battery and shut it? You keep voltage on it so it will stay shut while your applying smoke to the system right? Im trying to find a leak on on a 2002 2.3 accord.
@@GoTechTraining thanks i actually found the leak by doing exactly that. It was the vent valve not fully sealing fumes on my friends 02 accord. Thanks again!
L.A. in the late '60s. The sky was brown, my eyes were burning and my lungs were sore. Take a trip on the freeway and enjoy the smell of raw exhaust. As much as I don't like government mandates and added expense and complexity on my vehicles, I definitely don't want to breath air like that again.
Haha sorry man you get neither! We only give shirts away when the class actually airs live. Join us for the next live class and you'll have your opportunity to win! Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hey DynamicEQ, thanks for watching! Which solenoid vent or purge? If the purge is stuck closed the vehicle will never be able to recover the vapors from the canister. Highly doubt you'd see any changes to fuel eco from that. If the vent were stuck closed it could cause the tank to build vacuum or pressure and it would also be difficult to fill the car with fuel, but again...I don't see it affecting fuel eco in a noticeable way. ~Mike
Good video, learned a lot!! I have a HUGE problem with my Mustang, 2004/ 3.8 litre. It had a vacuumleak before I changed bigger fuel pump, 255 lph, but seems like now it got worse. I also changed throttle body much bigger, was 60 mm?? (OEM), now it is 70 mm. Also "check fuel cap" light used to come on, even I before did these changes. Of course, there was nothing wrong with fuel cap, replaced it anyway. So now, I have very high idle, like 2500-3000 RPM, for awhile, about 30 sec or so, and then idle comes down to about 1200, never goes lower/ normal. I know there has to be a big vacuum leak somewhere, because AC blows from vent, works OK, but when speeding, or under load, going uphill, it blows to window only, changes by itself??? Checked vacuum leaks visually, so far replaced EGR valve, EGR solenoid, Purge valve "front door", and will change purge solenoid valve tomorrow, already bought it!= rear door =). 12 volts coming to purge valve and solenoid, just cant find a leak. Bought cheap smoke machine, did not find anything, that test was not so great, has to do again with good smoke machine. I will take out purge canister too, and check, if it is leaking or if there is gasoline??/ inside?? How do I find that leak?? And get my idle down?? Also replaced TPS and IAC valve, they are all good???? Tired to throw money for this problem, and I don't seem to solve this problem!!! Any tests, I could do?/ Any ideas?? Thanks, appreciate your help, youtheman =)
Hey Eero, thanks for watching!!! Man, it sounds like you've spent a TON of money on this car chasing this issue. Honestly at this point I would recommend you take this thing in to a shop that you can trust that is good at diagnosis. There's a ton of things that can cause that high idle. Maybe intake gaskets are bad? Hard to say without seeing it with a scan tool and some testing equipment. I think at this point you're are going to be money ahead to take this in and have it properly diagnose! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I have sprayed around intake gasket??/ nothing?? Otherwise car runs good, just drive me nuts, I don't seem to solve this, leaking problem?? Yesterday took out EVAP purge canister, tested it with pressured air, in a water, no leaks?? Also changed purge solenoid, "rear door", and 12 V seems to be coming into plug?? It is a big leak,...BUT I can't find it?? Smoke-machine?? Could it be intake manifold gasket??? Going crazy here.....
And, also, "check fuel cap" light came on already, when I bought the car, like a year ago, now it comes on every now and then, yesterday codes were: idle higher than expected....welll, don't we know it already =), EGR system problem, and big leak in EVAP system,...I just can't find it????
Eero, most likely your high idle problem and your EVAP problem are unrelated. You tested the purge solenoid, the one near the intake manifold, and that's not leaking correct? If that's the case you are most likely working with 2 different problems here. What are your fuel trim numbers? High idle, first thing i'm looking for is codes and fuel trims. Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
great info! for those of us who don't have a scan tool can you show a video of testing the vacuum pump module and the vent solenoid when you removed it from the car. So we can see which pins run which part. Mine has a band around it and you would have to destroy it to find out. Thanks, mine is on a 05 corolla PO43E code.
Ford Ranger 2.3 2007. Whenever i unhook the purge valve line going to the intake my truck drives normal but when i hook it back up and drive it will suddenly die and then start back and its a continuous situation. Well i wouldn't say die...i think i could describe it as no throttle response for a few seconds and then it suddenly has throttle again. The only thing i haven't thourghly looked at are the vent solenoid and the canister. Ive replaced the purge valve and fuel pump.
Hey Argeny! I can't see how an EVAP system would cause a fuel pump to fail. Maybe under extreme circumstances, like if the system were to be plugged and pressurize. I guess that could somehow affect the pump...but I find this unlikely. Gut feeling says no. I don't think so...but i'm sure there is someone out there that can prove that it can. That's the fun of automotive, impossible to speak in absolutes! Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Great video and a lot of information to digest. Just to clarify, is the vent valve always open except during system leak tests by the vehicle’s PCM? A single P0455 code might lead me to believe a leak in the lines, connections, or gas cap. I have a P0455 code and my purge solenoid and vent value are both working fine. I did a blow test when energized/not energized on both valves.
Thanks Yo Me! Yes, the Vent is ALWAYS open on a standard system UNLESS the system is leak testing. A P0455 could be a lot of things. A leak code can also be caused by a lack of vacuum or a faulty fuel tank pressure sensor as well. Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
When liquid gasoline evaporates the volume in the gas state is greater than in the liquid state. If you could perfectly seal the system your vacuum would decay any way because of the change of state from liquid to gas.
I have a 2007 ford edge sel awd suv. Yesterday while I was in library doing some work, I then left library got in suv and my check engine light was on. I got home put my OBDII diagnostic tool on it and got back code P0456 evap emissions leak detected very small leak 1/2 and P0456 2/2 pending ? But whats strange to me here is that my scan tool shows me all of the various vehicle systems are all green as operating correctly. Yet the scan tool status indicator shows red color. I don't see any leak maybe I need to pull down the charcoal canister and check whether there is a valve into canister. I will re check front door and unplug wire from it see how vehicle responds. But outside that I'm puzzled. I wish UA-cam had feature allowing us to post pictures responding to techs an other knowledgeable mechanics on this platform. So you actually see what patron is conveying to tech mechanic or home based mechanic that knows what there doing....
Great video this is wanted to see I have a issue with the leak detection pump that I may think it the problem because i have a code 4055 can that code give me that problem also 4056 isit the same because I have because I have change the purge valve canister solenoid that goes in the front and I still was getting a check engine light with a 4055 so my next step is to check the rear for what you showed us perfect video I've been looking for this I'll give you 3 thumbs up every time I fill the tank with a half a tank I have a loose cap on my dash but when I fill it to a quarter I won't have that problem so I'm thinking it's something in the rear by the gas cap because I changed the gas cap twice a new one from the auto part and another one from the dealer and kept on giving me that code after I even changed the purge valve canister solenoid can you tell me if the same code will give me that Leak detection pump issue 😅 thank you very much can you respond back to me and let me know have a great day
That 'little guy' must be big enough to help his Dad in the workshop by now surely ? 🙂 Thanks for all the great content that you put out, well appreciated and very helpful 😎👍
Incredibly well put together video. A perfect combination of theory of operation and visual. Keep up the great work.
Hey P Lauj, thanks so much for watching!
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Thank you for this course. I'm not a mechanic (I'm DIYer) but this helped me solved the issue my mechanic was not able to solve keeping my car in his shop for 8 days.
2008 Subaru Impreza 2.5i MT 5Dr here. Had my gas tank fixed at a radiator shop (a nipple from tank rusted out and broke off. Tank leaked gas through that broken nipple). They dropped the tank and rewelded a new nipple. But upon reinstalling everything, a "Check engine" (P0447 Vent circuit open) popped and they could not fill up the gas tank (the fuel gun would click off repeatedly). In the end, they ended up drilling an internal rubber hose inside the tank (hose that goes from the in-tank fuel vent valve to the tank nipple for the evap hose E (that Evap hose E is then connected to 2 other hoses by a T-fitting. One hose goes to the canister drain valve and the other hose goes to the pressure control solenoid valve). They though drilling that hose would bypass a potentially faulty fuel tank vent valve (they said they thought it was stuck closed, causing inability to fill up gas). But the mechanics could not solve the check engine P0447.
So I took my car home, unplugged the canister drain valve and found out that when they replugged the electrical wire connector to the drain valve, they bent the two electrical tabs pins so the circuit to the canister drain valve was opened (not energized). I straightened the metal tabs, replugged the drain valve correctly, and started the car. Now the check engine and P0447 code are resolved !
So I wonder if an off-circuit drain valve could cause inability to fill up the gas tank (full pump gun would click off all the time) ??? I know it's supposed to be normally opened but I still wonder about this.
The other thing I wonder is, since they drilled the in-tank hose going from the fuel tank vent valve to the nipple of the external evap hose E (evap hose E leads to canister drain valve and to pressure control solenoid valve via T-fitting) in an effort to make it so that they could be able to refill the tank (bypassing the fuel tank vent valve thinking it was probably stuck closed explaining the fuel gun would clicking), could liquid gasoline actually escape the tank by the drilled hose and get inside the evap hose E and damage my canister drain valve or damage my pressure control solenoid valve ??? I'm no mechanics, but I thought about this for days, reading my service manual and trying to understand evap systems.
In summary, if the badly reconnected canister drain valve was responsible for inability to fill up the gas tank, then my mechanics drilled the in-tank hose for no real good reason. I'm just concerned that drilling that hose (to bypass the fuel tank vent valve) could lead to gas flooding of the canister drain valve and/or pressure control solenoid valve. Are these valves resistant to gasoline fluid or are they only capable to handle gas vapors but not liquid gasoline ?? In the end, I don't want further problem down the road and than in-tank hose that was drilled (inserting the drill bit though the nipple) is not replaceble (impossible to access as it is very deep inside the fuel tank). They only mentioned to me that they drilled it after the fact, so that kinda sucks. But if you tell me it's not likely going to be an issue in the future, I'm going to have to replace the fuel tank completely with a brand new one (not repairable).
PICTURES HERE TO HELP OTHERS: www.toronto-subaru-club.com/forums/showthread.php/211637-Deciphiring-the-2008-2014-EVAP-system-hoses-and-where-they-connect?p=1704954#post1704954
20 minutes in and this is already incredibly helpful for diagnosing an evap leak on my Mazdaspeed6. Thanks for the video!!!
Hey Denis, glad it could help! Did you get the problem fixed?
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I enjoyed your enthusiasm with teaching what you know and may you be blessed for this gift that you give to us. Thank you for your dedication to the art of FiXing what doesn't work and why. Don't worry about the length of the video.
Thanks Michael! Glad you enjoyed the class!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Thank You Mike for all your work in educating us. You must feel very proud when another
great diagnostician as Eric O recommends watching your videos. Keep up the super great
work!
Hey Enrique, thanks for watching! It is a good feeling for sure. The automotive community sure is a great one!
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I came here after a shout out by Eric O on one of his videos. As advertised, this is the best seminar I've ever found on this topic. Thanks Mike!
Thanks man! That means a lot!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
It can't be emphasized enough the importance of understanding how a system or component works to accurately diagnose any issue. Before doing any test research how the components and system work. The days of guessing and replacing parts is a primitive strategy that costs time and money. Understanding then test. Don't guess. Outstanding video!
Stellar work. Fantastic communication skills. I like how you are not the least bit arrogant, despite your high knowledge.
i watch this before each evap problem that comes in i don';t have many of them but this makes it so easy when i do
Wow. I don't know Wells, and didn't even know I needed a dive into the EVAP system, but I clicked and then subbed 20 mins in based on this incredible work. Though Mike isn't totally comfortable in front of a camera n this video, my college and high school auto tech instructors should be made to watch this video as a demo on how to friggin teach concepts and model them so they can be like Mike. Glad I clicked.
Best video about evap on youtube ! I learned a lot with Paul Danner, Eric O and Ivan videos. Yours is the icing on the cake !
Hey Didtok! Thanks man! That means a lot to be mentioned with the group of great guys!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
This is the best video I have ever watched on the design and operation of the EVAP system. Everything is now clear. Well done and thank you.
Thanks Andrew! That really means a lot to me! I'm glad everything about EVAP is clear!!!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Thanks so much for taking so much pain n putting humongous efforts ......THE BEST tutorial on EVAP system 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👍🏻
Wow thanks so much!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
love the video, actually helped me get the right diagnosis for my car, purge valve for my 2010 mercury mariner was stuck open! thank you! just future reference, the video was so quiet i had to have my volume all the way up and those ads killed my ears 😂
but thank you!! love this channel
Impressive! Love your one of a kind evap system. Now everybody should understand how EVAP system works and thanks to you!
One Million Thank You’s for sharing this!! 🙏
Wow, great instructor. All the information needed to help keep my vehicle engine light from going on. You saved the day. thanks again.
Hey Diego, thanks for watching! That's great to hear!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Interesting training you provide. I have already seen the issue with 3 different vehicles that I am troubleshooting and have fixed 2 of them since watching this video. Again awesome presentation and thanks so much for these. I now have more knowledge to be dangerous :) !
Hey Mark,
Keep going! You will be a EVAP pro in no time!
Happy Wrenching!
~Ryan
A+ for teaching young and old technicians how the EVAP monitors work!
I am so glad you showed us in a perfect and accurate way
Keep up the good work
Best of luck
Hey Mir Jaff, thank you very much!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
This is the most awesome video on the evap system!!!! Thanks for sharing!!!!!
The best info about EVAP system I found, thanks
Hey J Flow, thanks man!!! Glad you enjoyed the class!
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Thank you so much Mike finally I can understand the EVAP systems much better this video is amazing priceless!!
Thank you for making this educational video. It really helped to understand how the evap systems work and how to troubleshoot for issues. Subscribed 👍
Thank u for taking your time to make the cool rig, I enjoyed and appreciate your work ❤
Thank you Mike I`ll keep watching.
Thank you for the great video. I really like your presentation style and affect. Eric O recommended this video on his channel. thanks again.
HANDS DOWN THE BEST INFORMATION OUT THERE. THANKS 4 SHARING
Thank you so much Tweek!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Muchas Gracias por la explicacion Mike! Now I know the function of each Vent and Purge Solenoid, I was wondering how the ECU works with Ground and sequences, thanks full for showing all your equipment, Thank you to all the WELLS team, regards.
Hey, thanks for watching!
MIke Becker, Senior Instructor
Your the best man! I love this channel thanks a million for explaining this in full detail.
Wow, by far the best EVAP video on the net I've seen. Subscribed!
Hey Ninpo1500, thanks! That means a lot!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Services Instructor
Very helpful video. Note that in the 2nd wiring diagram, the A feed isn't from the PCM relay output but rather is always hot and also supplies the PCM relay coil, so that appears correct. The first wiring diagram was wrong (showed A as the PCM relay output), at least for that specific car.
Great presentation. Very informative and thorough. Thanks for taking the time.
Hey Mike, thanks! Thank you for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Very well explained. Very much enjoyed watching this. Thank you Mike. Cheers.
Hey, thank you very much :)
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hi Mike saw Eric O said to check you out for more Evap understanding, I have 04 Chrysler Pacifica my code that comes up is P0440. Not to much info on that code, but I believe I have a better understanding now. to test it out. It's the only code that comes up, so I'll be testing out what you have said on this video. And finish the playlist about Evap' so I can have the 04 stop with that code, thank you and the shop giving you the time and support to help us future Tech out and DYI guys. Thank you and the shop you are at. I have Subscribed to good knowledge.
Hey Mike, that's awesome! Welcome to the channel! Let me know if you need any more help diagnosing that Pacifica.
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Best video yet on the topic
I have to say I enjoy watching your videos. I found you to be informative and. professional . Your lessons are fantastic as well entertaining...I learn a lot by watching them . I thank you for sharing and taking the time to make them..
Thank you so much! Looks like you're enjoying the old stuff :)
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Incredible presentation Mike. Top notch. Thanks!
Thanks John! Thanks for all of the comments and questions!!! Have a great weekend.
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Very helpful video! Thank you for your hard work, and for keeping our world clean! :-)
Thanks for watching Dean! Glad you found the video helpful!
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***min **5:50***** "EVAP should be a money maker for your shop"...pause..."Let's leave it at that" loved it. LOL....that's why I'm here learning.
Hey Dewi, thanks for watching! So, after watching, you making money working on EVAP now?
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Thanks for the video. I have a 2007 Sub with only 74 miles. Check engine light turned on with OBD code P0446 (Evaporative Emission System Vent Control Circuit 1/1. I've replaced the gas cap, vapor vent canister valve, vapor jumper wire and the Emissions Vapor Canister Purge Valve Solenoid EVAP Vent ( I don't think it's necessary but I did it anyway). Cleared it and the check engine light is gone but after driving 93 miles, the I/M is still not ready with a combo drive of city and fwy. Drove it for another mile and after 6 cycles, when I ran the OBD at 94 miles to see if it's I/M ready, unfortunately I see the same "pending" P0446 code despite driving it up to 110 miles hoping it will clear on it's own. So I decided to erase the pending code/OBD and did the same thing again. Drove it up to 92 miles without check engine, still not I/M ready and at 94 miles later it's still not ready and the "pending" p0446 code is back. Replaced the vapor vent canister valve, vapor jumper wire again just in case I have a bad part, but unfortunately pending P0446 code is back. I'm hesitating on replacing the vapor canister/charcoal cause I don't have issue filling up gas and no gas odor around the area too. Could it be the another bad vent valve? fuel tank pressure solenoid? I hope not... cause I know this is pretty common on the 2006 but not on the 2007.
Cleared it for the 3rd and 4th time, gas level is between 3/4 or 1/2 and the pending code is on after 10 miles but still not I/M ready. Should I just keep going and repeat the drive cycle until it clears or do I need to change the ftp and the VC charcoal too? I'd really appreciate yours suggestion.
5:00 Oh go hug a tree, I'm kidding. Great explanation and great set-up model. I'm all about fixing instead of throwing away, trying to keep this giant rock with puddles clean
Hahah gotta make this rock last! Thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Young man, you are very Good at diagnosis
Hey Mr. Charley, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Lot of information to take in. Will need to watch this several times .Great video
Hey Jay, thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
I thought you might enjoy this true story. I had my little guy in my lap, 5-year-old I think, he is 44 now, so here is what I remember. We were in my 1964 Rivera with a 464 Buick big block. We were at a stoplight and the only other car in sight was a police officer, of course. My son, wanting to help drive pushes the shiny button closest to his foot. It was the Cruze control activating button, I know this sounds goofy but that year, and I am sure this was changed, but when you push that Cruze button the car accelerates to the dialed in speed, even when your is at a slow crawl like I was, as I was going from a dead stop to maybe 5 mph that is when my kid kicked in some new driving tips for me. The Cruze control was set at 80 mph, and by god that's how fast the car wanted to go. Of course, I hit the brake after doing a great burnout in the intersection with the cop behind me all the way to where I stopped, knowing the cop had a few questions for me. I told him what happened and his voice of wisdom was, Son next time read your owners manual, as he handed me a ticket for the burnout, that 465 or 464 can leave a lot of rubber on the road. PS MY FIVE YEAR OLD HAD A BLAST, CAN WE DO IT AGAIN?
Hey BillDude1313, that's crazy!!! I bet that car could leave some stripes on the road. Should have told the cop it's a community service, you're re-sealing the road :)
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Hindsight 2020,
CONGRADULATIONS MIKE ! ! ! ! FUTURE TECH BEHIND THE WHEEL ! ! ! I missed the class this morning, will watch it now. Watched last month's training today also. Learned about the VE (Load) and Grams Per Second "formulas." Thank you for that.
Thanks MIKE!!!! Man, after being a tech for almost 10 years, I honestly lose sleep over the thought of him having to wrench for a living. Nothing wrong with it at all, but I how hard and frustrating of a job it is. I am hoping he does something with cars, but on a different level. Maybe like an engineer in a performance division, like SVT or Hennessey or something along those lines. But, like people have already told me, it's all his choice. Who knows, maybe he'll be a career politician, or an astronaut haha! Thanks, as always, for watching Mike! You have a great weekend!!!
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Hello my friend Mike thanks for sharing keep up the great work bless day
Hey Mike!!! At approximately 1:15 of the video, you could've changed the list to see other pids. Maybe you've learned this since filming. But just in case. And thanks for the shirt that you sent me a few months back.
Hey Tgodm1, i'm thinking your time stamp is off. Not sure what point of the video you are pointing to. Glad you like the shirt!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Thank you ! Appreciate your videos. 🙂
Hey, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
first video I have watched of yours. fantastic, great presentation. really boasted my knowledge!
Hey Shaun, thanks for watching! Glad you liked it. Please be sure to check out our others and let me know what you think! Also, I am always available to answer questions/comments. Don't hesitate to reach out!
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Congratulations on your baby 👍
I wish I started in this industry earlier.
Another great training video. Thank you Mike!
Hey Dylan, Thanks!
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Great video Mike, I am dealing with a po457 and po455. it's on a 2001 Ford Focus. This video helped a lot. Lucky for me the customer and I have the same car just different year's. Thanks Mike
Thanks Greg! Glad the video could help! You need anymore help, just ask!
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Brilliant! just excellent, good job man, thank you.
Hey Clint, thanks for watching!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Hey Mike thank you for these videos
Hey Johnny Appleseed, thanks for watching! :)
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Tremendous work love your puddin dance, rhymes n far most your humanity
thank you for taking the time to make all these informative videos. i'm glad i found your channel. i wish more viewers show some support by liking your videos.
i didn't know what the heck an EVAP system was before this video. i got the basics of it after watching your case study. one thing i do not understand is how the EVAP system would deal with high pressures while the car is off. you mentioned EVAP systems are not sealed perfectly, but would the natural leak be enough to prevent possible errors from the build up of vapours by a car stored with a full tank of fuel over winter, for example? am i under estimating the resilience of the EVAP system components to pressure build up?
Hey Coldpillow, thanks for watching! Make sure to subscribe and click the little "bell" icon so you get notifications when we put a new class out. In a standard Purge/Seal system, it will always be vented to fresh air to prevent pressure/vacuum buildup. This is vented through the canister assembly and out the normally open vent.
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Evap works at atmospheric .. tests itself by holding a bit of vacuum (when the CVS is on/closed..purge valve running). Smoke uses pressure. Sometimes it will hold pressure, but under vacuum, something is leaking, not allowing the system to hold vacuum. All assuming the canister is not clogged.
Hey David,
I agree and vice versa, sometimes it will hold vacuum but not pressure. I found that out on the LDP systems that use pressure for testing.
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Hello Mike, great video. Thanks.
Hey J Dell, thanks!!!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
thank you very much for this clear explanation
I wait more from you
Thanks for watching Salem! I'm glad you enjoyed the class!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
this is so good, amazing content. Loving it
Wow great way to explain the system. Even i understand it now. I don't have a scanner that can comand the vent valve shut. From what im hearing you can apply you can jump the vent valve through the cars battery and shut it? You keep voltage on it so it will stay shut while your applying smoke to the system right? Im trying to find a leak on on a 2002 2.3 accord.
Hey Chrisvill54 thanks!! Yes, the vent can be applied with battery positive and battery ground.
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@@GoTechTraining thanks i actually found the leak by doing exactly that. It was the vent valve not fully sealing fumes on my friends 02 accord. Thanks again!
Sweeeeet! Glad you got it!
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Congrats on your new born 🎉
Thanks, he's just over two now...time flys :)
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L.A. in the late '60s. The sky was brown, my eyes were burning and my lungs were sore. Take a trip on the freeway and enjoy the smell of raw exhaust. As much as I don't like government mandates and added expense and complexity on my vehicles, I definitely don't want to breath air like that again.
The emissions output reduction has helped for sure!
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wowwwwwww! elcheapo! the hat ORRRRRR the T-shirt! dammit I don't wanna feel INComplete! gimeboth!
Haha sorry man you get neither! We only give shirts away when the class actually airs live. Join us for the next live class and you'll have your opportunity to win!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
I had cod p0441 and p0455 large leak. I fix it was the EVAP canister purge valve, I remplace it and no more codes
That's great!
Mike Becker, Senior Instructor
Nice to know. Good explanation.
If need help always apply.
Vytas Malcus
awsome vid. Thanks Mike!
Thank you very much!
Mike Becker, Senior Technical Instructor
Thanks for the very concise videos. Very helpful. Is it possible for a stuck closed evap valve to cause poor gas mileage?
Hey DynamicEQ, thanks for watching! Which solenoid vent or purge? If the purge is stuck closed the vehicle will never be able to recover the vapors from the canister. Highly doubt you'd see any changes to fuel eco from that. If the vent were stuck closed it could cause the tank to build vacuum or pressure and it would also be difficult to fill the car with fuel, but again...I don't see it affecting fuel eco in a noticeable way.
~Mike
Good video, learned a lot!! I have a HUGE problem with my Mustang, 2004/ 3.8 litre. It had a vacuumleak before I changed bigger fuel pump, 255 lph, but seems like now it got worse. I also changed throttle body much bigger, was 60 mm?? (OEM), now it is 70 mm. Also "check fuel cap" light used to come on, even I before did these changes. Of course, there was nothing wrong with fuel cap, replaced it anyway. So now, I have very high idle, like 2500-3000 RPM, for awhile, about 30 sec or so, and then idle comes down to about 1200, never goes lower/ normal. I know there has to be a big vacuum leak somewhere, because AC blows from vent, works OK, but when speeding, or under load, going uphill, it blows to window only, changes by itself??? Checked vacuum leaks visually, so far replaced EGR valve, EGR solenoid, Purge valve "front door", and will change purge solenoid valve tomorrow, already bought it!= rear door =). 12 volts coming to purge valve and solenoid, just cant find a leak. Bought cheap smoke machine, did not find anything, that test was not so great, has to do again with good smoke machine. I will take out purge canister too, and check, if it is leaking or if there is gasoline??/ inside?? How do I find that leak?? And get my idle down?? Also replaced TPS and IAC valve, they are all good???? Tired to throw money for this problem, and I don't seem to solve this problem!!! Any tests, I could do?/ Any ideas?? Thanks, appreciate your help, youtheman =)
Hey Eero, thanks for watching!!! Man, it sounds like you've spent a TON of money on this car chasing this issue. Honestly at this point I would recommend you take this thing in to a shop that you can trust that is good at diagnosis. There's a ton of things that can cause that high idle. Maybe intake gaskets are bad? Hard to say without seeing it with a scan tool and some testing equipment. I think at this point you're are going to be money ahead to take this in and have it properly diagnose!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
I have sprayed around intake gasket??/ nothing?? Otherwise car runs good, just drive me nuts, I don't seem to solve this, leaking problem?? Yesterday took out EVAP purge canister, tested it with pressured air, in a water, no leaks?? Also changed purge solenoid, "rear door", and 12 V seems to be coming into plug?? It is a big leak,...BUT I can't find it?? Smoke-machine?? Could it be intake manifold gasket??? Going crazy here.....
And, also, "check fuel cap" light came on already, when I bought the car, like a year ago, now it comes on every now and then, yesterday codes were: idle higher than expected....welll, don't we know it already =), EGR system problem, and big leak in EVAP system,...I just can't find it????
Eero, most likely your high idle problem and your EVAP problem are unrelated. You tested the purge solenoid, the one near the intake manifold, and that's not leaking correct? If that's the case you are most likely working with 2 different problems here. What are your fuel trim numbers? High idle, first thing i'm looking for is codes and fuel trims.
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
How do you measure fuel trim numbers??
wow.. really superb presentation.. thanks for nice vedio
Thanks Mike The Best
If you are repairing refrigeration systems, nitrogen is required. my trick was finding a gauge/valve that only allowed 1/2 psig
thanks mike great video very helpful....
Thanks for watching! Glad you've enjoyed the class!
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GREAT VID HAD TO WATCH AGAIN THK S AMIGO
Great video once again bro!
Thanks MrJoeyB!
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I had electric valves that leaked they had O rings that aged and leaked I replaced them - Thanks
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Hey Gustavo, thanks for watching and welcome to the channel!
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Another Nice one Mike. Hope you're back training soon.
A p0497 code is not automatically time to replace the purge valve. Any condition that causes low purge flow will set this code.
great teacher
great info! for those of us who don't have a scan tool can you show a video of testing the vacuum pump module and the vent solenoid when you removed it from the car. So we can see which pins run which part. Mine has a band around it and you would have to destroy it to find out. Thanks, mine is on a 05 corolla PO43E code.
Good to know but most problem with PO 440, PO446 is in the fuel cap, check gasket in cap.
Thanks for a GREAT video. !!!!
Thanks Robert!! Glad you enjoyed it!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Ford Ranger 2.3 2007. Whenever i unhook the purge valve line going to the intake my truck drives normal but when i hook it back up and drive it will suddenly die and then start back and its a continuous situation. Well i wouldn't say die...i think i could describe it as no throttle response for a few seconds and then it suddenly has throttle again. The only thing i haven't thourghly looked at are the vent solenoid and the canister. Ive replaced the purge valve and fuel pump.
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Hi! @Wells Vehicle Electronics And Mike Becker! My question is: Can a faulty EVAP system lead to a fuel pump failure?
Hey Argeny! I can't see how an EVAP system would cause a fuel pump to fail. Maybe under extreme circumstances, like if the system were to be plugged and pressurize. I guess that could somehow affect the pump...but I find this unlikely. Gut feeling says no. I don't think so...but i'm sure there is someone out there that can prove that it can. That's the fun of automotive, impossible to speak in absolutes!
Mike Becker, Technical Services Instructor
Great video and a lot of information to digest. Just to clarify, is the vent valve always open except during system leak tests by the vehicle’s PCM? A single P0455 code might lead me to believe a leak in the lines, connections, or gas cap. I have a P0455 code and my purge solenoid and vent value are both working fine. I did a blow test when energized/not energized on both valves.
Thanks Yo Me! Yes, the Vent is ALWAYS open on a standard system UNLESS the system is leak testing. A P0455 could be a lot of things. A leak code can also be caused by a lack of vacuum or a faulty fuel tank pressure sensor as well.
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When liquid gasoline evaporates the volume in the gas state is greater than in the liquid state. If you could perfectly seal the system your vacuum would decay any way because of the change of state from liquid to gas.
thank you, your awsome
love to hoses up backwards on the purge involved
I have a shevy Malibu with a p1441 evap emission EVAP system flow during non purge
Good stuff.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for watching!
~Ryan
I think ours is the wiring issues since we replace the canister and vent valve and the other one. We still getting the code P0447.
I have a 2007 ford edge sel awd suv. Yesterday while I was in library doing some work, I then left library got in suv and my check engine light was on. I got home put my OBDII diagnostic tool on it and got back code P0456 evap emissions leak detected very small leak 1/2 and P0456 2/2 pending ? But whats strange to me here is that my scan tool shows me all of the various vehicle systems are all green as operating correctly. Yet the scan tool status indicator shows red color. I don't see any leak maybe I need to pull down the charcoal canister and check whether there is a valve into canister. I will re check front door and unplug wire from it see how vehicle responds. But outside that I'm puzzled. I wish UA-cam had feature allowing us to post pictures responding to techs an other knowledgeable mechanics on this platform. So you actually see what patron is conveying to tech mechanic or home based mechanic that knows what there doing....
Great video this is wanted to see I have a issue with the leak detection pump that I may think it the problem because i have a code 4055 can that code give me that problem also 4056 isit the same because I have because I have change the purge valve canister solenoid that goes in the front and I still was getting a check engine light with a 4055 so my next step is to check the rear for what you showed us perfect video I've been looking for this I'll give you 3 thumbs up every time I fill the tank with a half a tank I have a loose cap on my dash but when I fill it to a quarter I won't have that problem so I'm thinking it's something in the rear by the gas cap because I changed the gas cap twice a new one from the auto part and another one from the dealer and kept on giving me that code after I even changed the purge valve canister solenoid can you tell me if the same code will give me that Leak detection pump issue 😅 thank you very much can you respond back to me and let me know have a great day
I just randomly stumbled upon this video and it’s funny that the guy said it’s June 1St and this video is six years old and today is June 1 of 2023😂
Only 6 years late bud! But better late than never. Thanks for helping us stay relevant 😂