Please note that this is for entertainment purposes only and not the whole picture. Please don't outright copy these settings and apply them to your system. If you want to learn how to overclock this system, please check out the longer SkatterBencher video ua-cam.com/video/kUyPTBVNXF0/v-deo.html
After all the benchmarks I've seen between the 5800X3D and 12900KS, I would like to see some reviewer use theses settings and benchmark the 5800X3D again to see how it compares. Great stuff! Thank you for sharing your findings!
Straight to the point and you know what you are doing and talking about, and you provided proper data as well including ambiet temps and all. Can't get any more pro than that
I just got the 5800X3D yesterday. as with my prior 3600 and 5600X I like to run small OC's for gaming boosts while keeping temps in check. i notice this chip already runs on the hot side. Thanks for showing this setting. I have more to learn far as OC settings since prior chips where much simpler methods. I'm hoping to find a light OC setting for this chip to...hoping to find a nice 4.6ish setup. Great videos and work!
Ever figure out how to oc it for dummies? I want to upgrade to the 5800x or the 3d one but I'm bad a software stuff so just been using ryzen master to oc
@@weasle2904 I run -30 all cores. 240 water force X. 60-65 gaming 74 highest I've seen under stress. I'll have to see if bclk raise is beneficial too me. Max watts I leave alone. I don't see them effecting much.
Anyone consider this is the end game upgrade for AM4 platform , You are not wrong ...But for low budget upgrade like some of us AM4 user . AM5 or 12Gen intel are not cheap for us (Country) . This is the only upgrade path we will continue using for the next few year !
We still are not cpu bound on games. I see this cpu going 4-5 years top without any real loss in gaming. The big changes will come from the future gpus
Thanks for the useful video. But this overclocking methodology is irrelevant to the vast majority of people, as it needs a loaded $800 motherboard to do, even the one step lower Dark Hero can't do that.
My method seems to be superior. In cine r23 I get 15484 multi and 1484-1500 single core while drawing around 94watts total package. I use pbo tuner with -30 put in. I set reference clock to 102 and set a NEGATIVE v offset of 0.0750. Also my ram fast AF 3600mhz cl14 14 14 28 trfc 275. @ 1.44v plus 2% to the mhz
@@SkatterBencher Unfortunately this option isn't available in the Strix B550-F. I'm trying to set "SoC/Uncore OC Mode" to "Enabled" instead in the AMD Overclocking menu
can you do a tutorial on a gigabyte x570 elite. PBO is obviously disabled. Just wondering if you can o.c. it. Also is there anyway to get above 3600mhz on ddr4 on this board?
Awesome video! This is the most clear and understand video i ever seen.. Really great video. i suscribe! Do you have anything like this for undervolt it, but keeping performance after all? it will be nice. Anyway, well done
I've recently dabbled with undervolting the 12900K, but didn't make a video about it because my process is not good enough yet. However, from the comments on my community post, it looks like I should definitely include undervolting in future videos ... so stay tuned :)
how could I try for a more conservative clock based on this video settings, with my Asus x570-F, 5800x3d, G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4-3600 C16 and a noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 fan? I just want a safe and comfy performance squeeze, and apply some -30 undervolting to finish it
How much of an upgrade was the C8H over the C7H? Do you think the OC will be comparable? My 5800x3D will be arriving Saturday and I'm grooving on the idea of running a BLK overclock on it?
I'd really appreciate your input on this since you know what you're talking about. My setup is a Ryzen 9 5950X, 3080Ti, 64GB of 3600cl14 ram and 2 1440p 144hz monitors. I only use my PC for gaming and my second monitor is solely for discord or whatever chat I'm using to talk to my friends while I play. Do you think the 5800X3D is a better CPU choice for gaming over the next 2-3 years vs the higher core count of the 5950x? Or is that going to be an overall better experience even if I give up a few frames here and there?
I am by no means a hardware reviewer and did no thorough comparisons myself, so I cannot give you an opinion as informed as the likes of Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed. That said, my impression of the 5800X3D value proposition is that: - if you're going to spend about $400 on a CPU, then the 12700K is a better option. - if you insist on AMD, then 5900X is likely a better deal in the similar price range - if you insist on AMD and 8 cores, then go for the 5800X, use PBO, and use the saved $$ for some other upgrade The 5800X3D is a really cool product technology-wise and provides proven performance uplift in specific games, but it very much seems to me a CPU that you should buy only if your sole focus is maximum gaming performance on AM4 platform.
Edit: Typed this out on my phone, touched up my comment cause it was a bit messy and disordered, anyways. Hey there, hope I can help you out with some advice. I think waiting to see how the other cpus released as their 3d counterparts is the best option before making the purchase. For now, I think waiting a bit to see if the 5600x3d is overclock-able or not is would be better if you're strictly only gaming. As for the 5800x3d, you can overclock the 5800x3d, but AMD heavily advises against it as they've stated its not designed to be overclocked. I personally plan to undervolt it when I get the 5800x3d (if it goes on sale) like I did with my 3080 gtx. I think they may make a 5800x3d version down the line that could be overclock-able, but that's only an assumption that I'm making. Only reason I believe that they may release an overclock-able 5800x3d is because they said they released it early to showcase the new stacking method as a proof of concept that it increase performance. From that I think maybe its worth waiting, not only for a better price to buy the 5800x3d, but to see if they will release a more updated version of the 5800x3d when they release the 5600x3d. Again, this is just speculation as I think they just released an incomplete version, but it could also be the only and final version of it. For the time being, if you haven't bought the 5800x3d just yet, you should consider doing what I and another user have done to increase performance for high cpu count ryzen chip. I currently own a 5900x and a lot of my games I play use low thread counts, like Rust for example, it only uses no more than 4 threads. After finding out I can’t use PBO because of an issue specifically attributed to my mobo, I experimented with Ryzen Master. After some tuning, I disabled SMT through legacy mode and manually tunes voltage and mhz. Got a stable 4700mhz at 1.1875v on 6 cores with legacy mode on and SMT turned off (info for others with 5900x and curious). I reached out to another user who plays a ton of Rust on their 5950x. After chatting about tuning my chip to Rust, they got to tuning their own chip as well. They told me that they got a nice boost in performance through disabling SMT and ran their 5950x at 4450mhz at 1.225v. They said they got about a 10% increase in performance and lower temps. Something worth trying if you want more performance out of your system, especially seeing that you have a 5950x and only strictly game. Personally I myself might may get the 5800x3d as I never intended to get a 5900x as I mainly game and sometimes do video edits, but plan to wait for it to go on sale as its seems to be going for $650 atm. Anyways, hopefully this was somewhat helpful as someone with a similar specs and situation as yourself.
@@FavoriteSniper Your a freaking mad lad for typing this all out on a Iphone I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3D AND I haven't bought game that eats up a lot of CPU so I'll update this comment late on, However I have been getting around 13k and 14k points on CINEBENCH R23
@@brizzled5193 turns out the 5800x3D was the only 3D they ended up doing, plus AMD locked the 5800x3D from any type of tuning, so its constantly ran on 80c on my watercooles aio. Its disappointing that you can only do limited tuning on specific motherboards cause AMD locked the bios :( Ended up making a new pc for my bro with the 5800x3D with a good cooled setup to compensate it running hot.
I just bought this cpu to change it from r7 5800x. I mainly fly in vr in DCS and there is a lot films about how better it performs in vr and flight simulators. But as for now i have to say my is wors then normal 5800x. I have 64 gb 3600 neo z trident 14cl memory (4 bones) asus rogstrix rtx 3090, m2 ssd , asus rog strix b550 E gaming mob. I dont see this options in bios 2803 to set as you are showing here. Please help me if you can how to tune this cpu to work fine. It boosts to 4450 but i have some sudden frame drops to 15-20 and wondering if its the boost problem. DCS is mainly 1 core usage.
Did you enable core performance boost? Sounds like you change some settings because at least you should have the same performance of the 5800x. Did you upgrade your bios? Btw you dont have all that options because use a better mobo but you should able to oc your cpu to 4650mhz
You need to be on the newer bios in order for the 5800x3d to even turbo boost. Yours is likely stuck at 3.4ghz with that bios revision- also why your performance is worse
I have the Crosshair Impact VIII which is supposed to be the ITX version of this motherboard, and it is missing half of the features, and it was probably more expensive.
This plays like a tutorial, but uses specific frequencies for memory that *you* have rather than general frequency information that people *may* have. The information here really only applies to people with your exact hardware.
has anyone done this on an MSI MEG X570 motherboard? ... I cant figure out how to do this. Every attempt my system wont post and I have to reset the CMOS
@@SkatterBencheram now so confused would you please listen for the first 3 minutes??? May be i misunderstand him!!!!!! ua-cam.com/video/pwvMO9WjU8o/v-deo.html
DO NOT RECOMMEND TOUCHING BLCK. The moment you change the BCLK so many PCIe components can go wrong. Doing this caused my system to not post and GPU fail indicator light went on. I was only able to salvage it by manually shorting the CMOS reset pins.
Is there any point at all to doing this when it comes to, you know, gaming? I tried PBO -30 but difference in cyberpunk compared to stock is non-existent. In Cinebench it is nice to have more points but I don't play cinebench. In the video there are only two gaming benchmarks and from old games that are cpu limited, and even there the difference does not exist.
Don't forget this is a $800 motherboard and the cpu itself is $450, for that price alone you could get 12900k + mid-tier ddr5+ mid-tier mobo and you should match this 5800x3d in gaming and totally smoke it in all other workloads. That overclocking is not feasible for 99.99% of people.
@@MicroageHD lmao 5 minutes, I don't have that exact motherboard, would take too long for intangible gains. Blck overclocks are not safe anyways. Since it basically puts strain on every component on your motherboard.
@@geerstyresoil3136 No to mention stability is probably half assed. This overlock is only for number crunching and high scores. It will most likely fail instantly in Prime95 and CoreCycler.
Hello Skatter, may you can help me. I have the ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero Board and the 5800X3D CPU but unfortunatelly I have no "Core Voltage Suspension" menue entry in my BIOS. The BIOS Version is the same like yours. What is my mistake?
What is better this overclocking or underviloting with cure optimizer or can you just both methods at one to have higher booster and higer base cloks??
Power saving is good! Let's say you have an 8-core CPU but your workload is only 4 cores. Then you'd want to have those 4 unused cores use as little power as possible. That's what C-states does: make sure every core is in the right state at any moment. On modern CPUs, the boosting algorithm is so advanced that every little extra power or thermal headroom can be utilized for higher frequency. So the best power-saving techniques yield the best performance opportunities.
Hey there, should we use cppc and prefered cores on off, onon or all off for the 5800x3d? I want lowest latency possible, no cstates or df etc.. Thank you in advance
Hello, at MSI 550B Tomahawk Im not able start PC in setup with two Ram Sticks (Kingstone fury beast 3600mhz) ? CPU RMA still the same.. with AMD 2600x both rams are working. Also I try second motheboard Gigabyte Aorus eltie 470x same issue. VOltage set at 1,35V... Ram underclock at 1600MHZ also not start. Both rams separatly works. Could you have some advice? :)
hello (i m french then sorry for my english) i have x570 crosshair extreme 5800x3d but the computer don t boot (the motherboard screen show "hdd error") then I disabled the sata ports for the tests. the pc boot but i don t have display. (with my 4090) i say it boot because the rgb fans change color. when I am under windows11 the lighting goes white. precision, i have a riser lian li with my lian li case 011d. is it possible the riser don t work with bclk 104,2 ? is it possible the hdd don t work with bclk 104.2 ? have you got a solution ? kind regards.
Hello there questions 1. I have the same motherboard which BIOS firmware version are you using? I looked at 4006 and 4402 and I do not have "Core Voltage Suspension" My ram is G.SKILL Trident Z Neo 64GB 4000MHZ. Which settings would you use ?
@@SkatterBencher Good day SkatterBencher Thank you for the reply I do have the VIII but its only the Dark Hero one. Not the extreme version Wonder if anyone here has been able to OC the Processor with the Dark Hero VIII motherboard.
Have tried every bios on my gigabyte b550 aorus pro v1, does not allow me to pass 102 blck, there is a loot of options I do not have like your asus bord for overclocking, at last I can do PBO scale x10 with negative curve -30 all cores and dynamic Vcore -0.030V with 102blck, I hit all cores stable 4.54Ghz is enough and can make it go lower Vcore but too lazy for it, it draw lower wattage than my old r5-5600x clocked 4.9Ghz all cores manually xD
Should the 5800x3D show as running at 3.6 GHZ with default settings, or 4.5? Mine never shows it going above 3.6 but it's supposed to boost to 4.5 automatically or something? I saw in your BIOS it was reading at 3.4. Mine showed that and then with some tweaks like DOCP and OC Tuner said 3.6 but updating BIOS, resetting CMOS, nothing ever shows 4.5. Cinebench shows 3.6. Task Manager shows 3.6 even during gaming. I've been troubleshooting for DAYS and I don't know if I'm just wasting my time. UserBencMark says the CPU is running poorly.
Guys, my english isnt so good to hear and understand all, can anyone say is it stability OC? Want to buy this cpu, have noctua nh-d15 ~250TDP, new mb and ram b550 aorus elite v2 gskill ripjaws 4000 cl15 2*8, is it okay?
Hello , l have a problem with this CPU overheating and not dropping with temp in bios below 90'C and it happened after I updated the bios to the 4304 x64 and even after flashing of bios the temp is rising to 110 and crash. I reinstalled os and it was ok but when i put that pin on main screen it crashed after 2 minute's.Rig is totally new and I don't know what to do anymore but jump from one streamer to another and asking for help,please help.
My bios shows ai tweaker rather than xtreme tweaker. Is this a simple name change with newer BIOS? I've already updated my motherboard to the most recent one
Are you using also the Crosshair VIII Extreme motherboard? ASUS has different terms for their overclocking submenu. Typically the high-end boards have Extreme Tweaker while the others have Ai Tweaker. Most of the functions are the same, it's just that Extreme Tweaker usually has more advanced tuning options.
@@SkatterBencher I see. Their documentation isn't amazing, so I've been watching videos of people tinkering either their bios to get an idea of what everything is and where it is. Overall the layout of the ai tweaker looks about the same. A few missing options, but nothing that relevant to me. I'm running a b550m wifi with the 5800x3d and a 3080 12gb inside a pelican case. I'm thermally constrained as it is so I gained more by undervolting than I did any other way.
can you actually overclock this chip on MSI boards? Im running a b450 gaming pro carbon and I am certain I cannot adjust CPU frequency and voltage in BIOS.
In the case of MSI, I think that an external PLL is not installed unless it is a class of "Unify" or higher. On a B550 Tomahawk he is running BCLK OC (105.56MHz) but PCIE clock ramps up at same time as there is no external PLL. Devices that work stably at high PCIE clocks are limited and difficult to stability. For example, M.2 SSD Gen4 can hardly raise the PCIE clock. It should be set to Gen3 or connected to the chipset side.
Hi, please tell me what I need to enable in the bios so that after bus 101 the processor frequency is higher than 3.5ghz? As you said, I turned on cstate control, but it didn't help me asus rog croshair vi extreme motherboard
Thanks for the help. But now I can't raise above 103, the vga indicator on the motherboard starts to light up and there is no picture at 103 and above. What could be the matter?
Likely that's any of the PCIe or SATA devices giving out. I used a PCIe SATA controller with dedicated clockgen to work around some of the issues. For your reference, you can also check out OC Strategy #2 from my longer guide where I go in more detail about reference clock overclocking ua-cam.com/video/kUyPTBVNXF0/v-deo.html
Let me know something, i have been tuning the 5800x3d with c-states and df-state off. What should cppc and prefered cores be on or off? Cinebench r23 scores are inconsistent but off off seems lower overhaul, i want max fps and better latency for gaming
@@TheOneGhost12 im using c-states on df-states off, cppc on prefered off, it works and does the highest scores and uses power saving modes as it should!
All motherboards should be able to do reference clock overclocking and voltage offset to some degree, though specific BIOS implementations may limit the overclocking range. For example: there's an auto-rule to disable Precision Boost beyond a certain reference clock. To set up the overclock as a daily driver will be more difficult because a voltage offset increases the voltage across the entire V/F Curve, including at the lower voltages which are typically used for all-core workloads. For this issue, Voltage Suspension on the C8E is the only way to manage it properly as far as I know.
Not on the Ryzen 7 5800X3D. Fixed OC is possible on Ryzen in two ways: switch to OC mode and disable Precision Boost. OC Mode is unfortunately not available on X3D parts. Disabling Precision Boost will give you a fixed ratio (the CPU base ratio) and in theory you can use reference clock overclocking to achieve higher frequency. Unfortunately, the Ryzen 5000 series are pretty limited with reference clock overclocking (up to 103mhz stable) so the ultimate frequency will be lower than what you get with Precision Boost enabled.
I searched for BCLK OC for X570 Gaming Plus but couldn't find it. B550 Tomahawk also doesn't have an external PLL, so I don't think it's included in Gaming Plus either. Search word "Ryzen BCLK Over Clock (your CPU or M/B name)" or "Ryzen BCLK OverClock Forum"
hello, do you have any advice for playing in 1440p (3440x1440) with a GPU with 4gb vram (details at a minimum)? it's a Mi8/Radeon R9 nano instict. I know very well that it could not be, but I do it anyway, I ask in case anyone knows about some software settings, BIOS or on the AMD panel or some setting / technology developed within the game settings (in addition to low details) to make the card go better in 1440, make the vram work better or try not to saturate.
Not much you can do honestly... other than what you already mentioned (low details). You may edit the config files to get even lower graphics details... But that would look so trash you might as well just drop the resolution to 2560x1080
I've got an R9 Nano in my secondary computer- it's a good card for 1080p but even with lower settings in most games it just doesn't like 1440p. I'd recommend a new card or sticking with 1080p. It's nice to see another Nano owner! They're rare cards these Days!
I just upgraded to the 5800x3d for my msi b550 tomahawk, but it won't boost bast 3.399ghz even with precision boost turned on in the bios, any tips? lol...
i cant do BCLK overclocking, but i can do undervolting. My processor has 1.05voltage on 4500freq, and in cinebench r23, on deepcool gammax 400 i have only 70°, and it's so good!
Curious, why are the steps so vastly different from overclocking a 5800x? Would thos steps work decent too? I guess I could try it myself but for conversation sake I'm also asking. Don't want to ruin my new x3d.
I’ll try to run more benchmarks but I get a score of 15484 in cinebench r23 with mine. All I did was run a reference clk of 102 and I actually did a negative voltage offset of 0.075. My single core is around 1489 though highest I’ve seen from mine was under 15100 and I have only stuck to negative offsets.
@@SkatterBencher no it uses a bios from 2020 or 2021 . i read that the 5800x3d had an specific bios patch AGESA version 1.2.0.6b. i might have to try that but i am a noob with that kind of stuff
The overclocking process will be similar. However, I would recommend watching the full length guide instead for more background and context ua-cam.com/video/kUyPTBVNXF0/v-deo.html
Try a reference clk of 101.8 and a negative voltage offset of -0.0625. Also downloand pbo tuner and get it to autorun everytime to -30. You should get get results. Make sure your fclk is half of your ramspeed 1800 & 3600 is generally stable 1900 & 3800 requires luck.
Please note that this is for entertainment purposes only and not the whole picture. Please don't outright copy these settings and apply them to your system. If you want to learn how to overclock this system, please check out the longer SkatterBencher video ua-cam.com/video/kUyPTBVNXF0/v-deo.html
After all the benchmarks I've seen between the 5800X3D and 12900KS, I would like to see some reviewer use theses settings and benchmark the 5800X3D again to see how it compares. Great stuff! Thank you for sharing your findings!
Same, would love to see more reviewers to get into this...
@@6FourNL reviewers can't and will not.
@@WinZard why not? AMD will not ban them
@@jimdshea FrameChaser is a big id*ot... sry.
I would bet that a i7 or a i9 with overclocked memory will still be faster
Straight to the point and you know what you are doing and talking about, and you provided proper data as well including ambiet temps and all. Can't get any more pro than that
awesome content, I really appreciate the straight to the point information
Great video, so easy to follow..I love how you explain what every change you do does, rather then just saying do this and thats it..Good stuff !
Always great explanations and worthfull content…thanks for your great videos and channel!
Glad you like them!
Absolutely well done, I like tutorials to be short and I keep my own very concise as well!
not a tutorial but if u applied how is it working
I just got the 5800X3D yesterday. as with my prior 3600 and 5600X I like to run small OC's for gaming boosts while keeping temps in check. i notice this chip already runs on the hot side. Thanks for showing this setting. I have more to learn far as OC settings since prior chips where much simpler methods. I'm hoping to find a light OC setting for this chip to...hoping to find a nice 4.6ish setup. Great videos and work!
Ever figure out how to oc it for dummies? I want to upgrade to the 5800x or the 3d one but I'm bad a software stuff so just been using ryzen master to oc
@@midnightvigil2636 PBO2....look it up. very simple
Did you ever find the oc for this without an extreme motherboard ?
@@graffitiwall7357 no...just use pbo2...safer and VERY good
@@weasle2904 I run -30 all cores. 240 water force X. 60-65 gaming 74 highest I've seen under stress. I'll have to see if bclk raise is beneficial too me. Max watts I leave alone. I don't see them effecting much.
Anyone consider this is the end game upgrade for AM4 platform , You are not wrong ...But for low budget upgrade like some of us AM4 user . AM5 or 12Gen intel are not cheap for us (Country) . This is the only upgrade path we will continue using for the next few year !
We still are not cpu bound on games. I see this cpu going 4-5 years top without any real loss in gaming. The big changes will come from the future gpus
@@lexion8152 try playing MSFS with a 4090!!!! All the bottleneck is the CPU.
@@lexion8152 Escape from Tarkov, disagrees.
Hell let loose disagrees as well
@@lexion8152 Aged like milk
Thanks for the useful video. But this overclocking methodology is irrelevant to the vast majority of people, as it needs a loaded $800 motherboard to do, even the one step lower Dark Hero can't do that.
A mb should never costed more than 250
what is the dark hero lacking that rules out this technique?
@@MattRozak Voltage Suspension.
Yap, literally guide only for rich people.
My method seems to be superior. In cine r23 I get 15484 multi and 1484-1500 single core while drawing around 94watts total package. I use pbo tuner with -30 put in. I set reference clock to 102 and set a NEGATIVE v offset of 0.0750. Also my ram fast AF 3600mhz cl14 14 14 28 trfc 275. @ 1.44v plus 2% to the mhz
good stuff man
Has anyone managed to overclock the 5800x3D on an Asus Rog Strix B550-F? Also, thank you for the explanation!!
I managed to change the BCLK, but the 5800x3D wont turbo anymore
Did you also set Force OC Mode Disable to Enabled? ua-cam.com/video/g3e0QKriMiw/v-deo.html
@@SkatterBencher Unfortunately this option isn't available in the Strix B550-F. I'm trying to set "SoC/Uncore OC Mode" to "Enabled" instead in the AMD Overclocking menu
That setting just enables memory and memory controller overclocking, unfortunately
Please can someone show me overclocking guide with strix b550-f gamin and 5800 X3D?
can you do a tutorial on a gigabyte x570 elite. PBO is obviously disabled. Just wondering if you can o.c. it. Also is there anyway to get above 3600mhz on ddr4 on this board?
Awesome video! This is the most clear and understand video i ever seen.. Really great video. i suscribe! Do you have anything like this for undervolt it, but keeping performance after all? it will be nice. Anyway, well done
I've recently dabbled with undervolting the 12900K, but didn't make a video about it because my process is not good enough yet. However, from the comments on my community post, it looks like I should definitely include undervolting in future videos ... so stay tuned :)
how could I try for a more conservative clock based on this video settings, with my Asus x570-F, 5800x3d, G.Skill Trident Z Royal DDR4-3600 C16 and a noctua NH-U12S SE-AM4 fan? I just want a safe and comfy performance squeeze, and apply some -30 undervolting to finish it
How much of an upgrade was the C8H over the C7H? Do you think the OC will be comparable? My 5800x3D will be arriving Saturday and I'm grooving on the idea of running a BLK overclock on it?
I wonder if the settings are going to be the same with an MSI motherboard? I just bought a 5800X3D and will be delivered tomorrow
nope not possible
I'd really appreciate your input on this since you know what you're talking about. My setup is a Ryzen 9 5950X, 3080Ti, 64GB of 3600cl14 ram and 2 1440p 144hz monitors. I only use my PC for gaming and my second monitor is solely for discord or whatever chat I'm using to talk to my friends while I play. Do you think the 5800X3D is a better CPU choice for gaming over the next 2-3 years vs the higher core count of the 5950x? Or is that going to be an overall better experience even if I give up a few frames here and there?
I am by no means a hardware reviewer and did no thorough comparisons myself, so I cannot give you an opinion as informed as the likes of Gamers Nexus or Hardware Unboxed. That said, my impression of the 5800X3D value proposition is that:
- if you're going to spend about $400 on a CPU, then the 12700K is a better option.
- if you insist on AMD, then 5900X is likely a better deal in the similar price range
- if you insist on AMD and 8 cores, then go for the 5800X, use PBO, and use the saved $$ for some other upgrade
The 5800X3D is a really cool product technology-wise and provides proven performance uplift in specific games, but it very much seems to me a CPU that you should buy only if your sole focus is maximum gaming performance on AM4 platform.
Edit: Typed this out on my phone, touched up my comment cause it was a bit messy and disordered, anyways.
Hey there, hope I can help you out with some advice. I think waiting to see how the other cpus released as their 3d counterparts is the best option before making the purchase. For now, I think waiting a bit to see if the 5600x3d is overclock-able or not is would be better if you're strictly only gaming. As for the 5800x3d, you can overclock the 5800x3d, but AMD heavily advises against it as they've stated its not designed to be overclocked. I personally plan to undervolt it when I get the 5800x3d (if it goes on sale) like I did with my 3080 gtx. I think they may make a 5800x3d version down the line that could be overclock-able, but that's only an assumption that I'm making. Only reason I believe that they may release an overclock-able 5800x3d is because they said they released it early to showcase the new stacking method as a proof of concept that it increase performance. From that I think maybe its worth waiting, not only for a better price to buy the 5800x3d, but to see if they will release a more updated version of the 5800x3d when they release the 5600x3d. Again, this is just speculation as I think they just released an incomplete version, but it could also be the only and final version of it.
For the time being, if you haven't bought the 5800x3d just yet, you should consider doing what I and another user have done to increase performance for high cpu count ryzen chip. I currently own a 5900x and a lot of my games I play use low thread counts, like Rust for example, it only uses no more than 4 threads. After finding out I can’t use PBO because of an issue specifically attributed to my mobo, I experimented with Ryzen Master. After some tuning, I disabled SMT through legacy mode and manually tunes voltage and mhz. Got a stable 4700mhz at 1.1875v on 6 cores with legacy mode on and SMT turned off (info for others with 5900x and curious). I reached out to another user who plays a ton of Rust on their 5950x. After chatting about tuning my chip to Rust, they got to tuning their own chip as well. They told me that they got a nice boost in performance through disabling SMT and ran their 5950x at 4450mhz at 1.225v. They said they got about a 10% increase in performance and lower temps. Something worth trying if you want more performance out of your system, especially seeing that you have a 5950x and only strictly game.
Personally I myself might may get the 5800x3d as I never intended to get a 5900x as I mainly game and sometimes do video edits, but plan to wait for it to go on sale as its seems to be going for $650 atm. Anyways, hopefully this was somewhat helpful as someone with a similar specs and situation as yourself.
@@FavoriteSniper Your a freaking mad lad for typing this all out on a Iphone
I have a Ryzen 7 5800X3D AND I haven't bought game that eats up a lot of CPU so I'll update this comment late on, However I have been getting around 13k and 14k points on CINEBENCH R23
@@brizzled5193 turns out the 5800x3D was the only 3D they ended up doing, plus AMD locked the 5800x3D from any type of tuning, so its constantly ran on 80c on my watercooles aio. Its disappointing that you can only do limited tuning on specific motherboards cause AMD locked the bios :( Ended up making a new pc for my bro with the 5800x3D with a good cooled setup to compensate it running hot.
@@FavoriteSniper Yeah it was disappointing when I found out that I couldn't over clock, I was only able to game boost it to 4.5ghz
I just bought this cpu to change it from r7 5800x. I mainly fly in vr in DCS and there is a lot films about how better it performs in vr and flight simulators. But as for now i have to say my is wors then normal 5800x. I have 64 gb 3600 neo z trident 14cl memory (4 bones) asus rogstrix rtx 3090, m2 ssd , asus rog strix b550 E gaming mob. I dont see this options in bios 2803 to set as you are showing here. Please help me if you can how to tune this cpu to work fine. It boosts to 4450 but i have some sudden frame drops to 15-20 and wondering if its the boost problem. DCS is mainly 1 core usage.
Did you enable core performance boost? Sounds like you change some settings because at least you should have the same performance of the 5800x. Did you upgrade your bios? Btw you dont have all that options because use a better mobo but you should able to oc your cpu to 4650mhz
You need to be on the newer bios in order for the 5800x3d to even turbo boost. Yours is likely stuck at 3.4ghz with that bios revision- also why your performance is worse
did you ever solve this?
Stupid question, I thought you can't overclock this cpu?
I have the Crosshair Impact VIII which is supposed to be the ITX version of this motherboard, and it is missing half of the features, and it was probably more expensive.
Would I be able to do this on an ASUS TUF X570 PLUS, with 3600mhz Ram? I'm not sure if the motherboard is as robust as the one used in this video?
Can you oc the 5800x3d with the dark hero motherboard?
Bruh, PBO2 limitation got lifted on certain BIOS (MSI/Asus). It is your time to shine, again.
I don't think I'll return to AM4 ... :)
This plays like a tutorial, but uses specific frequencies for memory that *you* have rather than general frequency information that people *may* have.
The information here really only applies to people with your exact hardware.
At 0:35 he says don't just copy his settings. He's just showing how he did it with the hardware he has.
has anyone done this on an MSI MEG X570 motherboard? ... I cant figure out how to do this. Every attempt my system wont post and I have to reset the CMOS
Hello thats a great video. In my dark hero with the latest bios 4201 i havent all this settings should i rollback to previous bios?
I heard that highest bclk on x570 is up to 102 how have you raised it to 104??? Or there is something i dont understand?
Not sure where you heard that. Reference clock for X570 has been pushed up to 117MHz before valid.x86.fr/9zipy6
@@SkatterBencheram now so confused
would you please listen for the first 3 minutes???
May be i misunderstand him!!!!!!
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DO NOT RECOMMEND TOUCHING BLCK. The moment you change the BCLK so many PCIe components can go wrong.
Doing this caused my system to not post and GPU fail indicator light went on.
I was only able to salvage it by manually shorting the CMOS reset pins.
Have you any knowledge of how the EVGA X570 Dark might handle overclocking similar to the Mobo you used?
I am entirely unfamiliar with EVGA products, unfortunately
Cool!
Im just gonna say this, ryzen 7 5800x3d is not meant to be overclocked, it can kill you cpu. It is up to you
Is there any point at all to doing this when it comes to, you know, gaming? I tried PBO -30 but difference in cyberpunk compared to stock is non-existent. In Cinebench it is nice to have more points but I don't play cinebench. In the video there are only two gaming benchmarks and from old games that are cpu limited, and even there the difference does not exist.
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after all the 58000xd in deep can be overclock 😁
Don't forget this is a $800 motherboard and the cpu itself is $450, for that price alone you could get 12900k + mid-tier ddr5+ mid-tier mobo and you should match this 5800x3d in gaming and totally smoke it in all other workloads. That overclocking is not feasible for 99.99% of people.
@@MrA-ir3me This will even work on some 70 bucks B450 boards my brother... What are you talking about lol
@@MicroageHD Which $70 board has voltage suspension?
too much work, for little gain. just going to keep it stock for now and hope there is quicker method down the line with bios update.
Literally 5 minutes is too much work? Haha!
@@MicroageHD lmao 5 minutes, I don't have that exact motherboard, would take too long for intangible gains. Blck overclocks are not safe anyways. Since it basically puts strain on every component on your motherboard.
Was thinking the same. 0-2% gain in gaming is not worth the trouble.
@@geerstyresoil3136 No to mention stability is probably half assed. This overlock is only for number crunching and high scores. It will most likely fail instantly in Prime95 and CoreCycler.
Hello Skatter, may you can help me. I have the ROG Crosshair VIII Dark Hero Board and the 5800X3D CPU but unfortunatelly I have no "Core Voltage Suspension" menue entry in my BIOS. The BIOS Version is the same like yours. What is my mistake?
Core Voltage Suspension was first available on the Crosshair VIII Extreme, after the release of the Dark Hero. So it's not available on the Dark Hero.
What is better this overclocking or underviloting with cure optimizer or can you just both methods at one to have higher booster and higer base cloks??
I wonder why turning global c state on makes cpu faster. In my knowledge, global c state is a power saving option.
Power saving is good!
Let's say you have an 8-core CPU but your workload is only 4 cores. Then you'd want to have those 4 unused cores use as little power as possible. That's what C-states does: make sure every core is in the right state at any moment.
On modern CPUs, the boosting algorithm is so advanced that every little extra power or thermal headroom can be utilized for higher frequency. So the best power-saving techniques yield the best performance opportunities.
Hey there, should we use cppc and prefered cores on off, onon or all off for the 5800x3d?
I want lowest latency possible, no cstates or df etc.. Thank you in advance
Hello, at MSI 550B Tomahawk Im not able start PC in setup with two Ram Sticks (Kingstone fury beast 3600mhz) ? CPU RMA still the same.. with AMD 2600x both rams are working. Also I try second motheboard Gigabyte Aorus eltie 470x same issue. VOltage set at 1,35V... Ram underclock at 1600MHZ also not start. Both rams separatly works. Could you have some advice? :)
hello (i m french then sorry for my english) i have x570 crosshair extreme 5800x3d but the computer don t boot (the motherboard screen show "hdd error") then I disabled the sata ports for the tests.
the pc boot but i don t have display. (with my 4090) i say it boot because the rgb fans change color. when I am under windows11 the lighting goes white.
precision, i have a riser lian li with my lian li case 011d.
is it possible the riser don t work with bclk 104,2 ?
is it possible the hdd don t work with bclk 104.2 ?
have you got a solution ?
kind regards.
I once casually autotuned it to 4.95ghz… I had no clue what happened …
Hello there questions 1. I have the same motherboard which BIOS firmware version are you using? I looked at 4006 and 4402 and I do not have "Core Voltage Suspension" My ram is G.SKILL Trident Z Neo 64GB 4000MHZ. Which settings would you use ?
Voltage suspension is only available on the Crosshair VIII Extreme motherboard for AM4
@@SkatterBencher Good day SkatterBencher Thank you for the reply I do have the VIII but its only the Dark Hero one. Not the extreme version Wonder if anyone here has been able to OC the Processor with the Dark Hero VIII motherboard.
Have tried every bios on my gigabyte b550 aorus pro v1, does not allow me to pass 102 blck, there is a loot of options I do not have like your asus bord for overclocking, at last I can do PBO scale x10 with negative curve -30 all cores and dynamic Vcore -0.030V with 102blck, I hit all cores stable 4.54Ghz is enough and can make it go lower Vcore but too lazy for it, it draw lower wattage than my old r5-5600x clocked 4.9Ghz all cores manually xD
Should the 5800x3D show as running at 3.6 GHZ with default settings, or 4.5? Mine never shows it going above 3.6 but it's supposed to boost to 4.5 automatically or something? I saw in your BIOS it was reading at 3.4. Mine showed that and then with some tweaks like DOCP and OC Tuner said 3.6 but updating BIOS, resetting CMOS, nothing ever shows 4.5. Cinebench shows 3.6. Task Manager shows 3.6 even during gaming. I've been troubleshooting for DAYS and I don't know if I'm just wasting my time. UserBencMark says the CPU is running poorly.
Update your motherboard bios to the latest version.
I'm running X3D with Asus x570E, can I do any of this other than the DOCP?
Check out my other comments I got my chip running awesome with easy settings. I got a number one score on userbenchmark of 113% with my settings.
Could you do this on MSI meg unify boards? Doesn't look like it has all of those settings.
I got my 5700x to 4.8 with the cooler master 212
Can You please make a Threadripper Pro Overclocking video please?!
Guys, my english isnt so good to hear and understand all, can anyone say is it stability OC? Want to buy this cpu, have noctua nh-d15 ~250TDP, new mb and ram b550 aorus elite v2 gskill ripjaws 4000 cl15 2*8, is it okay?
For gaming what in more better 5800x3d or 5900x gaming a streaming with overclock
I don’t see dynamic oc switcher Simone help plz
What's max temp on this chip... or sustainable temp with no damage
Should I set the dynamic OC switch on my Asus Rog Crosshair VIII Dark Hero X570 board for the 5800X3D - 30 or not?
I have this board as well. But, I don’t seem to have “core voltage suspension” option available!!! Do you?
What did you end up doing?
Hello , l have a problem with this CPU overheating and not dropping with temp in bios below 90'C and it happened after I updated the bios to the 4304 x64 and even after flashing of bios the temp is rising to 110 and crash. I reinstalled os and it was ok but when i put that pin on main screen it crashed after 2 minute's.Rig is totally new and I don't know what to do anymore but jump from one streamer to another and asking for help,please help.
Have someone take the cpu cooler off and check that its not full of dust or that the fan is working. Also check the thermal paste.
I got a x570s mobo from gigabyte. Think I'll be able to do something?
My bios shows ai tweaker rather than xtreme tweaker. Is this a simple name change with newer BIOS? I've already updated my motherboard to the most recent one
Are you using also the Crosshair VIII Extreme motherboard?
ASUS has different terms for their overclocking submenu. Typically the high-end boards have Extreme Tweaker while the others have Ai Tweaker. Most of the functions are the same, it's just that Extreme Tweaker usually has more advanced tuning options.
@@SkatterBencher I see. Their documentation isn't amazing, so I've been watching videos of people tinkering either their bios to get an idea of what everything is and where it is. Overall the layout of the ai tweaker looks about the same. A few missing options, but nothing that relevant to me. I'm running a b550m wifi with the 5800x3d and a 3080 12gb inside a pelican case. I'm thermally constrained as it is so I gained more by undervolting than I did any other way.
As soon i change to 101 or more MHz it will not boot, i had 3900x before and that one booted at 103 mzh idk whats wrong any ideas?
its not meant to be overclocked mate, doing so can kill this particular CPU very easily; if you haven't so already.
How for a bloody ASRock ui motherboard? 😐
Hey so I have a 5800x3d now, i still have a 5600 ram profile in my bios that makes pbo2 show, do you know if the curve optimizer works or not?
In case you haven't heard, PBO for the 5800x3d was added to your latest BIOS update just recently
@@halcyon7005 :) gave my 5800x3d to my friend im now downgraded to a ryzen 5 7600
What are stable settings for gaming...?
why does my 5800x3d show it at .986 volts??
can i boost in with x570 taichi razer edition?
Does this work with a B550 board without the voltage suspension feature?
Yes, it will work for overclocking. You just won't have the benefit of keeping the voltage (and thus temperature) in check in all-core workloads
Monster cpu
I don't have FCLK 1840mhz
can you actually overclock this chip on MSI boards? Im running a b450 gaming pro carbon and I am certain I cannot adjust CPU frequency and voltage in BIOS.
In the case of MSI, I think that an external PLL is not installed unless it is a class of "Unify" or higher.
On a B550 Tomahawk he is running BCLK OC (105.56MHz) but PCIE clock ramps up at same time as there is no external PLL. Devices that work stably at high PCIE clocks are limited and difficult to stability.
For example, M.2 SSD Gen4 can hardly raise the PCIE clock. It should be set to Gen3 or connected to the chipset side.
Yo do you have experience with mag b550 tomahawk + 5800x3d?
Hi, please tell me what I need to enable in the bios so that after bus 101 the processor frequency is higher than 3.5ghz? As you said, I turned on cstate control, but it didn't help me asus rog croshair vi extreme motherboard
Make sure to set:
- Core Performance Boost to Enabled (main menu)
- Force OC Mode Disable to Enabled (tweaker's paradise)
Thanks for the help. But now I can't raise above 103, the vga indicator on the motherboard starts to light up and there is no picture at 103 and above. What could be the matter?
Likely that's any of the PCIe or SATA devices giving out. I used a PCIe SATA controller with dedicated clockgen to work around some of the issues.
For your reference, you can also check out OC Strategy #2 from my longer guide where I go in more detail about reference clock overclocking ua-cam.com/video/kUyPTBVNXF0/v-deo.html
@@SkatterBencher Please tell me what were the settings with a dedicated pcie and sata frequency in the bios called)
@@SkatterBencher hi there, care to tell us what brand that controller is from? and what model? thx
Can i do this on my b550 strix-a?
Let me know something, i have been tuning the 5800x3d with c-states and df-state off.
What should cppc and prefered cores be on or off?
Cinebench r23 scores are inconsistent but off off seems lower overhaul, i want max fps and better latency for gaming
Hey did you ever find your answer to this?
@@TheOneGhost12 im using c-states on df-states off, cppc on prefered off, it works and does the highest scores and uses power saving modes as it should!
@@pav1u why do you want power savings ?
@@TheOneGhost12 Well if i can have same performance and same latency i prefer not to have my cpu constantly pushing allcore max frequencies..
Are there any other motherboards that can do this? For example the b550 unify-x?
All motherboards should be able to do reference clock overclocking and voltage offset to some degree, though specific BIOS implementations may limit the overclocking range. For example: there's an auto-rule to disable Precision Boost beyond a certain reference clock.
To set up the overclock as a daily driver will be more difficult because a voltage offset increases the voltage across the entire V/F Curve, including at the lower voltages which are typically used for all-core workloads. For this issue, Voltage Suspension on the C8E is the only way to manage it properly as far as I know.
Is it possible to somehow get a fixed all core OC with manual vcore?
Not on the Ryzen 7 5800X3D.
Fixed OC is possible on Ryzen in two ways: switch to OC mode and disable Precision Boost. OC Mode is unfortunately not available on X3D parts. Disabling Precision Boost will give you a fixed ratio (the CPU base ratio) and in theory you can use reference clock overclocking to achieve higher frequency. Unfortunately, the Ryzen 5000 series are pretty limited with reference clock overclocking (up to 103mhz stable) so the ultimate frequency will be lower than what you get with Precision Boost enabled.
Wish you had a guide like this for MSI X570 Gaming plus :(
it's an rog only thing, even us low end asus boys can't do it :(
I searched for BCLK OC for X570 Gaming Plus but couldn't find it.
B550 Tomahawk also doesn't have an external PLL, so I don't think it's included in Gaming Plus either.
Search word "Ryzen BCLK Over Clock (your CPU or M/B name)" or "Ryzen BCLK OverClock Forum"
How did you change the ratio from 45 to 45.5? To get 4.7ghz.
104 bclk
game benchmarks compared to stock please!
prob 0 diffrence
Maybe couple fps + on cpu intense games, just like spider man remastered.
hello, do you have any advice for playing in 1440p (3440x1440) with a GPU with 4gb vram (details at a minimum)?
it's a Mi8/Radeon R9 nano instict. I know very well that it could not be, but I do it anyway, I ask in case anyone knows about some software settings, BIOS or on the AMD panel or some setting / technology developed within the game settings (in addition to low details) to make the card go better in 1440, make the vram work better or try not to saturate.
Not much you can do honestly... other than what you already mentioned (low details). You may edit the config files to get even lower graphics details... But that would look so trash you might as well just drop the resolution to 2560x1080
I've got an R9 Nano in my secondary computer- it's a good card for 1080p but even with lower settings in most games it just doesn't like 1440p. I'd recommend a new card or sticking with 1080p.
It's nice to see another Nano owner! They're rare cards these Days!
Your gpu simply can't handle such resolution it runs out of bandwidth and vram. I recommend a gpu upgrade at least a 3060 ti or better
Do you think same settings would work on a Dark Hero board?
All settings except for Voltage Suspension should be available on the Dark Hero
@@SkatterBencher what would be the difference without the voltage suspension is there more risk without it ?
pci-e 4x only? :(
I just upgraded to the 5800x3d for my msi b550 tomahawk, but it won't boost bast 3.399ghz even with precision boost turned on in the bios, any tips? lol...
i think i heard someone had the same issue until they updated to the latest bios
upgrade bios
i cant do BCLK overclocking, but i can do undervolting. My processor has 1.05voltage on 4500freq, and in cinebench r23, on deepcool gammax 400 i have only 70°, and it's so good!
Please show us how to set it up on other boards!
The board in the video is overpriced!
Hi,
Can you compare overclocked 5900x B2 and 5800x3d in games?
i thing the 5900x win the battle. Thx.
it doesnt and i sold my 5900x. It can win a battle vs this chip.
Curious, why are the steps so vastly different from overclocking a 5800x? Would thos steps work decent too? I guess I could try it myself but for conversation sake I'm also asking. Don't want to ruin my new x3d.
At launch, AMD had disabled all overclocking tools for the 5800X3D. So no PBO and no manual overclock. This was the only method to overclock the CPU.
I’ll try to run more benchmarks but I get a score of 15484 in cinebench r23 with mine. All I did was run a reference clk of 102 and I actually did a negative voltage offset of 0.075. My single core is around 1489 though highest I’ve seen from mine was under 15100 and I have only stuck to negative offsets.
Highest Ive seen single thread is low 1500s*
Cpuid shows sub 100watts during cinebench multicore
You're pretty much OC'ing the mobo so everything runs at 102% so ya, bigger clocks
I'm using a Asus b550 f Mainboard and the same cpu but it only runs all the time at 3,4 GHz. What can I do?
Did you update the BIOS to the latest version?
@@SkatterBencher no it uses a bios from 2020 or 2021 . i read that the 5800x3d had an specific bios patch AGESA version 1.2.0.6b. i might have to try that but i am a noob with that kind of stuff
OK now it is working fine it was a unsupported bios
Is this also applicable for the 5700X3D?
The overclocking process will be similar. However, I would recommend watching the full length guide instead for more background and context ua-cam.com/video/kUyPTBVNXF0/v-deo.html
friend can you help me to overclock my cpu 5800x3d trngo a 3080ti and a motherboard crosshair vii hero x470 wifi can i pay you please help me!!
Nice try there, although 2 fps in CS:GO and 1 fps in FF XV looks so scarse.
Ayyy!!! 🤣
Lock him up.
Changed BLK to 102 now my pc won’t boot
How do I change back to 100?
Clear CMOS (either by a button on the back IO or by a pin header on the motherboard)
I not have this options wtf
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gigabyte b550m s2h How is the voltage setting?
I need this on a msi board 😂
hello how are you friend you will have a ryzen 3700x oberclock
No, unlikely. I will now focus on preparing for AM5
anyone know whats the Max DDR4 Ram MHZ you can run with the 5800x3d ?
Anything above 4000mhz can have issues with infinity fabric
@@HK.Builds thanks for letting me know 👍
Can you do this on dark hero board? Would not having volt suspension affect it if I input the other settings ?
Try a reference clk of 101.8 and a negative voltage offset of -0.0625. Also downloand pbo tuner and get it to autorun everytime to -30. You should get get results. Make sure your fclk is half of your ramspeed 1800 & 3600 is generally stable 1900 & 3800 requires luck.
You slightly OC to 4.74Ghz but only boosts to a max of 4.428 according to your HWinfo. My stock numbers max boost was 4.45
check 4:33 => 4.741GHz.
I didn't find "voltage suspension" on my x570 crosshair VIII formula board.
Would you help me?
Voltage suspension was first introduced on the Crosshair VIII Extreme motherboard, which was released quite a bit after the Crosshair VIII Formula.
@@SkatterBencher okay 😣
thanks for listening